For gods sake do NOT wear your lock as a belt. If you crash at reasonable speeds or faster ad that grabs anything, it will snap your spine like a toothpick. Never wear anything around your waist or neck that can get caught in something. That said, it's just like you said. If someone wants to steal your bike, it's more about making it tiresome and annoying. I've seen lots of videos of people stealing bikes. Two big dudes just whip a rope through the front wheel and lift/drag it onto a truck, van or whatever vehicle they brought. Steering lock and disk locks are meaningless against these kinds of thefts. Unless you have the bike completely anchored, it's getting stolen. I would invest in a steel bar that is grounded for my driveway at home that i could lock my bike to. For that, the Litelok core moto look like a perfect option. 💖💖👏🏼👏🏼
Looks good looking a thing. Really appreciate your total honesty in being up front about it being free to you and sponsored. Wish all RUclips channels and presenters were as truthful !! 😎
This lock needs to be sent immediately to LockpickingLawyer's YT channel for assessment. But I appreciate you are demonstrating this as at least something towards security. He made very light work of breaking the previous versions of this lock in 16 seconds (as you probably know), so maybe this new lock is a response to his findings. Bike theft is epidemic around London now, and Brighton, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, Norwich, actually everywhere.
I suspect the rather nice cable cutters that the LockpickingLawyer used wouldn't open wide enough to get a good bite on this new version. But of course there will always be a tool that can cut, destroy or defeat any given lock or chain. All the same, forcing thieves to carry certain tools is always a good thing as they can be used as evidence as and when they are caught.
LockpickingLawyer's uses a japanese Grinder witch is very powerful and expensive (about 800 £) Most thieves use domestic grinder and it takes more time. Also a powerful grinder will break any chain and as an equivalent of the heavy chain you get a divice for half the weight .. It's not bad. Best thing being to diversify, have for instance, a litelok + 1or 2 disc + a tracker... and that should be ok
I think the keyless locking is a bad design. You rock up at the pub, clip the lock together ( no key needed ) then think oh crap I forgot to put the key on my key ring.😁 Great video mate.
Looks a good bit of kit, as you say to stop the opportunist, but has you already know the professional thief with a cordless diamond encrusted angle grinder, I'm afraid no lock produced up to now can withstand such an attack, the only thing I can tell you to help stop the angle grinder mob is don't fit your Litelock or chain to your motorcycle and have it laying on the ground this makes it a lot easier for the angle grinding thief. I was told by a security expert when possible lock your bike to an immovable object and have the Litelock / chain swinging in the air, without a stable base it makes it more difficult for the thief...
I want Fortnine to test this... No offence to you but I'll wait and see how it holds up to his efforts. Anything made of lots of individual strands of material is only as strong as wash strand
@@bennettsbikesocial Maybe you should spend more time thinking of original, engaging video ideas and less time slagging off other channels in random comments sections?
@@ashleyhazell662 Fair enough. I just want people to know what they're buying, and entertaining and original as Ryan's videos are, I worry that riders have bought a 7mm chain believing it to offer far more security than it does. Different channels for different interests.
I bought two as they fit together to give a longer length if needed. Good thing is they ensure both locks can be used with one key. You receive two keys per lock and one key will open both. Nice touch.
I have one of these and I like it very much. However, IMHO, I would never recommend wearing this or any other chain type lock around the waist. If ever falling off a motorcycle it could do serious damage to internal organs.
Never trust a review that is sponsored by manufacturer of the product. Especially when the reviewer makes many unsubstantiated claims and does not test the products before giving them a glowing endorsement.
When manufacturers quote "Aerospace" grade material, it's marketing BS. The only difference between Aerospace quality and Commercial quality for the same alloy and heat treatment condition, is that the raw material has smaller allowable defects from manufacture (inclusions, laps etc) THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES IN THE MECHANICAL PROPERTIES OF THE MATERIAL. /rant
Good deterrent, but I would suggest looking at the videos that cut them with cable cutters (not a specialist tool) rather than bolt cutters. Goes through them in under 20 seconds.
Nice and easy to carry locks. Been using the older flatter style, but upgrading to the newer one. Great that you can get a couple, connect together and request a matching key - then you can also attach the bike to something secure and thread through the bike - not just the wheel. Couple of different length options - 1.25m and 1.5m I think.
I haven't read all the other comments, but just 2 points I want to share. Please don't wear locks, I used to until someone pointed out that if your sliding down the road and the lock hooks on something, do you think the lock will fail first or your squashy body? Also, beware locks that snap into place. I once snapped a lock closed on a day out and THEN found that the key for it had fallen off my bike keys.....
Yea, you can go mad looking for the right lock's etc. for your needs and like you say at the end of the day if they want it they'll probably get it if they are professional crims. Get the best you can afford like your ridding gear. 😊👍🏼
I think one needs to ask: "How and where will I be using the lock?". Are you looking for a lock to secure your bike at night at home in your garage or in a shared garage or will it be parked on the street in public view? In those cases you should be looking for heavy duty chain locks (it will be stationary) perhaps anchored to a wall or the ground and combine it with a disc lock. Are you looking for a lock to secure your bike when riding in town and popping in and out of stores? In that case a disc lock is probably all you need to carry around. Are you looking for a lock for when you're going an long tours that last days or weeks, perhaps bringing you to foreign countries? Here the Litelock (or a medium sized U-lock) is probably a good option coupled with a disc lock because you want to limit the carry load. At any rate two locks are always better than one, and a disc lock is practically indispensable. PS: As always, you get what you pay for, so a cheap lock may become an expensive investment ...
Both you and the manufacturer mention wearing around the body during riding. I recall a seminar given by emergency services which see this practice as a risk to injure the rider during an impact. Food for thought.
This sounds a lot better lock than the previous, and I presume this would be better at preventing angle grinders! Great video Andy! You must come down to East Yorkshire, Withernsea on a Thursday evening as there is a large group of bikers who I frequently chat to who have a meeting at the seaside cafe and have many of your fans all talking about your videos. It would be great to meet and see you there as I'm sure most of all your fans would appreciate a visit from the famous Missenden Flyer! Kind Regards Richard!
Interesting lock. I'd like to do a thorough review of this in line with the other security products we test based on real-world criminal activity. John Milbank, Consumer Editor, Bennetts BikeSocial
I'd love you too John - I can't afford to destroy mine as this is the lock I use day to day (clearly my video wasn't a review in that sense, just an initial look at the new product). I thought the old Litelok was pretty darn good - I know you said you'd be happy to use it - I suspect this is harder to defeat. But as we all know, a determined pro-level crook will get through anything! ...it's all about deterrence for me, and so far these Liteloks have the best convenience:security trade-off ratio I've come across. Would be fascinated to see what you made of them in once of your in depth super thorough tests.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer There are a lot of benefits to the previous model that we bought then destroyed, though the angle-grinder attack knocked it back a little. Still, it was a good option for portable security and I'd be interested in what differences the changes to the new one make to all the attack methods.
I think I'd let the Lockpickinglawer have a go first. He picked the previous version in seconds and more importantly cut it open in 17 seconds with normal cutters.
Sorry to hear that - I have spoken to Litelok about lack of delivery and they assure me they are now fulfilling all orders, drop me a mail if you’ve not received anything within a week…
Looks a great bit of kit, nice and bright deterrent. It's those battery powered angle grinders the crims all appear to use, suspect it won't stop those but if it slows them 👍👍
Well as I said a determined “pro” level thief will defeat any security but as a deterrent or means of slowing down a crook, I reckon this is a good option....
Problem is I’m not sure anything resists a modern battery angle grinder, having said that it’s a lot better than using nothing, and would foil the more casual thief. PS, GS still looking like new.
Nice review Andy, I’ve been looking at different locks for a while. That looks excellent! I think il team that up with the Oxford boss alarm disc lock. Hope you are doing well 👍🏻
Very Convincing! Ìm getting one, very convenient that you dont have to use the key to close it. Cannot cut corners protecting your head or bike. Thanks for putting this out there Andy. Love your channel....
Not saying don’t buy it, but go look at the LockPickingLawyers two RUclips videos on these locks first. He picked it in under 30 seconds and cut it open in under 16 seconds with a pair of wire cutters. Any lock or security system can be beaten eventually, but this one appears to be absurdly easy to defeat.
@@jvl4832 👍… amazing to think what kind of amazing lock they could have made if they had spent more money on research and less on their prolific social media advertising campaign 🤣. It’s really sad that at the end of the day it’s just a crappy 1980’s cable lock in a fancy package. Ride safe brother 👍
Oh, mate......how long have you waited patiently to drop the ‘hi kids’?!! I’m tempted to buy two just to reward your patience, friend !😉. Usual benchmark standard for your reviews, mate, top drawer. Appreciate the upfront sponsorship disclaimer but I have noted numerous times your praise of these puppies long before they became sponsors or sent you freebies. Didn’t realise the validity of weight till I tried to carry & use a decent chain & discovered just how cumbersome they are. The original looked good but I’m up for a couple of these new ones even more so, as they will be superb to double up as a mountain bike lock and save me having to lock them on the car roof every time or maul out a big old chain. Thanks for the review and update on the new one, friend. Keep smilin’......
Not too sure about the lock around the body advice. Spending on decent helmet, kevlar jacket, boots, airbag on the GoldWing and then wearing a kidney-busting hard thing around the squidgy bits might not be the best plan.
@@TheMissendenFlyer That came from H&S warnings at a well known public broadcaster that belt-mounted radio microphone transmitters are not to be used when riding bikes or horses. I was able to add a supplementary warning about not going up behind horses with a boom mike on a long pole. The horses don’t understand the tech and can only imagine what you intend to do with it.
Wearing the lock around your waist is IMHO bad and irresponsible advice. Andy - you should withdraw this and publish a correction. If you have an accident and come off the bike wearing the lock you will do serious damage to yourself. Apart from that, I love your channel Andy, but don’t drop the « hey kids » - it’s your trademark!
We have indeed tested the previous model, but sadly nobody has tested this one outside of the excellent Sold Secure, but I don't think everyone is clear on what the Gold rating means. I'd really like the chance to test this one; there are plenty of recommendations for it on the Kickstarter page, but until we can actually put it through real-world testing based on what criminals actually do (as entertaining as LPL is, even he acknowledges it doesn't reflect street crime), I'll reserve judgement. Cheers, John
A cordless angle grinder will go through any portable chain in seconds. At some point it kinda becomes a neutral argument and we should realise that chain is better than no chain
100% a cordless mini grinder is the weapon of choice but a bright coloured lock and chain is no more than a visual deterrent to an opportunist. The lighter the better really as expensive and super dooper is no longer viable in the cordless mini grinder era🤐
He says that in the video. It’s more to stop an opportunist. If you have two comparable bikes next to each other, one with a lock and one with out, the one without the lock will be nicked.
@@mistery00t29 I wouldn't bring a massive dirty chain I'd bring a light colorful locking devise and get it in somewhere awkward to maneuver a mini grinder
Hi Andy, having worked in a hospital A+E. I would not recommend putting any chain or motorbike lock around any part of your body. I have seen the end results,and it's not good! Sorry to put a dampener on an otherwise top video!
Just ordered one ! Not sure how cheap they were but I got a nice discount using TMF code which seemed to be a default setting on the website. Thanks very much. It seems like a decent product and chopsy's son would never make a bike thief anyway. It's peace of mind. I don't realistically think anybody wants my Fazer 1000 on a 02 plate but you never know. If it did get nicked it's probably cheaper than the taxi fare home. Keep them coming
It's more fashion than security to me, aimed at the lazy/limp wristed biker if you ask me,....sorry but you can't beat a beefy, heavy chain and padlock at the end of the day.
I would also advise that leaving any type of lock on the ground gives the attacker the bonus of using body weight and a solid foundation to attack the device - we need to ensure we are giving the best advice to the audience, if bike crime is to be reduced, lease don't leave locks on the ground
...yes it's new to the market and they are taking pre-orders, I wasn't clear on that when I made the video or I would have mentioned it - my apologies....
Would be great if you could post the minimum diameter of this lock, so I can check whether it would fit in my soft luggage pannier. They haven't posted any measurements on their website apart from the length of the product. Looks like you can curl it up quite small, so the smaller the better for me personally.
Waiting for mine to drop too (after they get in touch about colour) so that I don’t have to take a heavy lock to the ABR festival. Look nice too Ian Back on Two Wheels
It is bulkier than the mk1 version though from what I can see plus it’s short so strapping to a fixed object is going to be challenging, unless you do that then frankly a good thief targeting your bike will take it easily by lifting it up and placing in a van. If you’re only after stopping an opportunist thief then a disc lock will do that at significantly less money. This is coming from someone who as a victim has experience of professional theft
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes I hear you and heartedly agree, which is my point that it would be difficult for that lock to attach to a fixed object away from the bike when out and about unless I had 2 of them to link together but the bulk means that any slight advantage it has would be lost. Strapped around my waist is not a good idea in the event of a spill. So it brings me back to my point that a disc lock will deter an opportunistic thief too without the bulk and expense of this. It’s impossible to get 100% protection from a professional thief but thoughtful parking where we leave bikes , data tag and a tracker are better than this for a pro thieves deterrent , as for cost if you need 2 of them that’s about £250- £300 ? IMHO it’s actually creating a cosy peace of mind for the owner in reality it offers little more than a regular chain lock
Pj Mack Litelok have improved the new lock with different cable braiding and materials which will slow attacks by cable and disc cutters Also if you keep the lock off the ground it's a lot harder to cut.
Mine finally arrived today after multiple shiftings of dates, was promised in august 2021, was only ordered may 2021 lol, let’s hope it stacks up when on Tour, it certainly packs away small :)
As a deterrent for the opportunist, fine. But I’m not sure referencing Chops’ video is a great idea when LPL went through it in two snips or so. And before anyone says anything, he simply used a tool anyone can buy. But hey, it’s better than nothing for sure.
The tool LPL used isn't actually that easy to buy in the UK. There's another video on YT of someone cutting one of these, he had to order the cutter from the US.
@@MyMednas That's right (it was me) - there's no evidence of those cutters being used in UK crime at least, based on discussion with the Motorcycle Crime Reduction Group and International Association of Auto Theft Investigators, both of which I'm a member of. I'm looking forward to the opportunity to test this lock to destruction to find out what it's actually like. Cheers, John
I've ordered one, thanks for the discount. I use heavier duty chains in the garage but this looks like a decent compromise for out and about. As already mentioned pro bike thieves will get through anything but this may help against the opportunist. Top Tip I always try to park next to a more desirable unsecured bike :-)
Nice one Andy. Any deterrent is better than none for the amateur and opportunist tea-leaf; and as you rightly say, if they truly want it, they’ll have it. For the intro I’m not fussed either way, it’s the content that matters. BTW Albi airport exhibition centre has been transformed into the local COVID Vaccine Centre. Was down there yesterday afternoon for my 1st jab! Cheers bud! Looking forward to a tour vid later in the year on that Gold Wing!
Looks like a great bit of kit but I only have saddle bags on my bike and it doesn’t look like it would roll up tightly enough to fit in them. Not too keen on wearing it either as I doubt it would fit round my waist as I’m not as slimline as you. Great product review though. Keep them coming. 👍
I have one of the original models and I very much approve of it, though I have had some difficulties with the key mechanism on mine getting stuck unless the two joining clips are *absolutely* straight and level. I've ordered two of the new model on Kickstarter, so hopefully it has improved a little bit. One of the key features that it offers over a disc lock is being able to park up next to a railing or lampost and attach your bike *to* something. Important for lighter bikes in particular, like my beloved little Honda C90, so they can't just be lifted into the back of a van.
Thanks for posting. Although I normally don't lock my bike around my "home" area, I do tend to bring along some protection along for my out of state trips. We are thinking of doing two trips this summer. One to the mountains in Colorado and another to the Grand Canyon in Arizona. Currently, I use a Krypon front disklock. What is the best way to implement the Litelock when traveling? You show the lock wrapped around the rear tire, but then all the bad guy(s) has to do is lift the rear tire and push it along into a van or truck. May be easier if the bad guy just removes the rear tire. Specially the GS. It only takes 5 screws.
I guess the only really valuable recommendation, is when someone shows a litelok that's been the subject of an attempted theft out on the streets, and resisted...You could road test it for a decade and if no-one has a go at it, then nothing has been learned? A tamper alarm built in would be a good addition too, like many disc locks....
Nice one Andy. I’m however trying to lose 2.4 kilos from around the waistline so not a good spot for me. Does it also float as the colour and look may suggest that, plus the marine grade hardware... 😂👍😎
Like to have seen you LiteLock the bike to a post/road groundanchor/ immovable object etc . My worry is it's radius isn't very big and using the LiteLock just on a wheel is useless against 2 beefy blokes in a ford Transit.. Thanks!
Thanks TMF....looks good. BTW....rusty mainstand! Why do BMWs do that? I had the one on my GS replaced under warranty. Bought a K1600 and it did the same.
Did you go via the link in the description and get the discount (out of interest??) - someone said the link wasn't working (but it looks good to me).....
I have no doubt it's a very good lock, but what's wrong with a good disc lock? I have a ABUS granit sledge fitted to its carrier for ease of carrying it
For the love of the baby jebus don't wear a lock on you, it will f you up if you come off, can't believe it was mentioned here, really irresponsible, next there'll be a recommendation for copper slip on your brake pads lol. When it comes to security, more is more, having a number of different locks on your bike is better than this. Sorry, in a grumpy mood, had some smelling salts administered and just after coming round, last thing i heard was the cost of this lock, £150 😳😬
@@TheMissendenFlyer 14 seconds for the previous likelok. It will get through anything, but it will take at least a minute to get through a 16mm chain which may just put them off.
Cordless power tools have made all of these products pointless other than a mild deterrent. Just more landfill for the planet to contend with and carboot fodder for the future.
@@MyMednas Absolutely I would, & do. That is why I pay insurance. The deterrent value of that lock is so small it is pointless. Have you used a 0.5mm cutting disc on a cordless angle grinder? Approx. 10 seconds or less.
@@TheMissendenFlyer unless they have invented a new kind of steel you will still have the same problem, how do you think they cut lift cables, cable are designed to hold mass not be sheer proof.
So, the claim of 100% pickproof is a lie. I wish companies would stop this claim. This has a disc detainer core and although a special pick is needed, it can easily be defeated in under 2 minutes. It may hold up to brute force attack, sure, but companies need to be more honest with the “pickproof” label.
@@Bmichaels679 hey Bob! Lewis from Litelok here, apologies we have hit some delays and don’t want to bring the product out until we are 100% satisfied. Apologies!
For gods sake do NOT wear your lock as a belt. If you crash at reasonable speeds or faster ad that grabs anything, it will snap your spine like a toothpick. Never wear anything around your waist or neck that can get caught in something. That said, it's just like you said. If someone wants to steal your bike, it's more about making it tiresome and annoying. I've seen lots of videos of people stealing bikes. Two big dudes just whip a rope through the front wheel and lift/drag it onto a truck, van or whatever vehicle they brought. Steering lock and disk locks are meaningless against these kinds of thefts. Unless you have the bike completely anchored, it's getting stolen. I would invest in a steel bar that is grounded for my driveway at home that i could lock my bike to. For that, the Litelok core moto look like a perfect option. 💖💖👏🏼👏🏼
Arthur Daley corner.. roll up roll up!
Looks good looking a thing.
Really appreciate your total honesty in being up front about it being free to you and sponsored.
Wish all RUclips channels and presenters were as truthful !!
😎
This lock needs to be sent immediately to LockpickingLawyer's YT channel for assessment. But I appreciate you are demonstrating this as at least something towards security. He made very light work of breaking the previous versions of this lock in 16 seconds (as you probably know), so maybe this new lock is a response to his findings. Bike theft is epidemic around London now, and Brighton, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, Norwich, actually everywhere.
It's irrelevant whether the lock can be picked. They use cutting discs on battery angle grinders. Thru this in under a minute.
I suspect the rather nice cable cutters that the LockpickingLawyer used wouldn't open wide enough to get a good bite on this new version. But of course there will always be a tool that can cut, destroy or defeat any given lock or chain. All the same, forcing thieves to carry certain tools is always a good thing as they can be used as evidence as and when they are caught.
And even less time when he used a pair of big standard wire cutters 🤣
Definitely as the little scroats are all master locksmiths
LockpickingLawyer's uses a japanese Grinder witch is very powerful and expensive (about 800 £) Most thieves use domestic grinder and it takes more time. Also a powerful grinder will break any chain and as an equivalent of the heavy chain you get a divice for half the weight .. It's not bad. Best thing being to diversify, have for instance, a litelok + 1or 2 disc + a tracker... and that should be ok
"Exceeds the gold standard!" _LPL has entered the chat_
Not available until September 2021 - I'm not prepared to give them an interest free loan for 5 months...
I think the keyless locking is a bad design.
You rock up at the pub, clip the lock together ( no key needed ) then think oh crap I forgot to put the key on my key ring.😁 Great video mate.
My sentiments exactly except I don't drink so replace pub with "chippie".
I did this with a disc lock once. As soon as i’d snapped it on i had this sudden feeling of dread, then went to find key, not there. 🤬🤬🤬
Looks a good bit of kit, as you say to stop the opportunist, but has you already know the professional thief with a cordless diamond encrusted angle grinder, I'm afraid no lock produced up to now can withstand such an attack, the only thing I can tell you to help stop the angle grinder mob is don't fit your Litelock or chain to your motorcycle and have it laying on the ground this makes it a lot easier for the angle grinding thief. I was told by a security expert when possible lock your bike to an immovable object and have the Litelock / chain swinging in the air, without a stable base it makes it more difficult for the thief...
Impossible to believe a review of a product from a company who pay you.
I want Fortnine to test this... No offence to you but I'll wait and see how it holds up to his efforts.
Anything made of lots of individual strands of material is only as strong as wash strand
No offence taken! I love Ryan’s work....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Love your work Mr TMF, you're my go-to guy for UK bike reviews
Fortnine, the same channel that claims a 7mm chain it sells takes 4 minutes to cut with an angle grinder?
@@bennettsbikesocial Maybe you should spend more time thinking of original, engaging video ideas and less time slagging off other channels in random comments sections?
@@ashleyhazell662 Fair enough. I just want people to know what they're buying, and entertaining and original as Ryan's videos are, I worry that riders have bought a 7mm chain believing it to offer far more security than it does. Different channels for different interests.
Christ tonight, it's like watching QVC... 😩😩😩
I bought two as they fit together to give a longer length if needed. Good thing is they ensure both locks can be used with one key. You receive two keys per lock and one key will open both. Nice touch.
I have one of these and I like it very much. However, IMHO, I would never recommend wearing this or any other chain type lock around the waist. If ever falling off a motorcycle it could do serious damage to internal organs.
Yes a few others have mentioned that - good point!
Never trust a review that is sponsored by manufacturer of the product. Especially when the reviewer makes many unsubstantiated claims and does not test the products before giving them a glowing endorsement.
When manufacturers quote "Aerospace" grade material, it's marketing BS. The only difference between Aerospace quality and Commercial quality for the same alloy and heat treatment condition, is that the raw material has smaller allowable defects from manufacture (inclusions, laps etc) THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES IN THE MECHANICAL PROPERTIES OF THE MATERIAL. /rant
Fair enough.....
LPL enters the chat.
Hi you stated massive savings...what is massive by your definition pls, it looks like 10%
Good deterrent, but I would suggest looking at the videos that cut them with cable cutters (not a specialist tool) rather than bolt cutters. Goes through them in under 20 seconds.
I don’t think there are any videos on the core moto being cut with cable cutters....this is a new product.
@@TheMissendenFlyer no, very true! Could be a lot better!
It's still just a cable lock, cable cutters will cut it quite easily I'm sure.
Nice and easy to carry locks. Been using the older flatter style, but upgrading to the newer one. Great that you can get a couple, connect together and request a matching key - then you can also attach the bike to something secure and thread through the bike - not just the wheel. Couple of different length options - 1.25m and 1.5m I think.
I haven't read all the other comments, but just 2 points I want to share. Please don't wear locks, I used to until someone pointed out that if your sliding down the road and the lock hooks on something, do you think the lock will fail first or your squashy body? Also, beware locks that snap into place. I once snapped a lock closed on a day out and THEN found that the key for it had fallen off my bike keys.....
Oops!
Yea, you can go mad looking for the right lock's etc. for your needs and like you say at the end of the day if they want it they'll probably get it if they are professional crims. Get the best you can afford like your ridding gear. 😊👍🏼
I think one needs to ask: "How and where will I be using the lock?". Are you looking for a lock to secure your bike at night at home in your garage or in a shared garage or will it be parked on the street in public view? In those cases you should be looking for heavy duty chain locks (it will be stationary) perhaps anchored to a wall or the ground and combine it with a disc lock. Are you looking for a lock to secure your bike when riding in town and popping in and out of stores? In that case a disc lock is probably all you need to carry around. Are you looking for a lock for when you're going an long tours that last days or weeks, perhaps bringing you to foreign countries? Here the Litelock (or a medium sized U-lock) is probably a good option coupled with a disc lock because you want to limit the carry load.
At any rate two locks are always better than one, and a disc lock is practically indispensable. PS: As always, you get what you pay for, so a cheap lock may become an expensive investment ...
Agreed all round Nick....
Both you and the manufacturer mention wearing around the body during riding. I recall a seminar given by emergency services which see this practice as a risk to injure the rider during an impact. Food for thought.
This sounds a lot better lock than the previous, and I presume this would be better at preventing angle grinders! Great video Andy! You must come down to East Yorkshire, Withernsea on a Thursday evening as there is a large group of bikers who I frequently chat to who have a meeting at the seaside cafe and have many of your fans all talking about your videos. It would be great to meet and see you there as I'm sure most of all your fans would appreciate a visit from the famous Missenden Flyer! Kind Regards Richard!
Sounds like fun Richard, bit far for me to nip up one Thursday evening though!!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer No worries, but your always welcome!
Great to hear your latest update on lite lock Ash
Still going strong!
Interesting lock. I'd like to do a thorough review of this in line with the other security products we test based on real-world criminal activity. John Milbank, Consumer Editor, Bennetts BikeSocial
I'd love you too John - I can't afford to destroy mine as this is the lock I use day to day (clearly my video wasn't a review in that sense, just an initial look at the new product). I thought the old Litelok was pretty darn good - I know you said you'd be happy to use it - I suspect this is harder to defeat. But as we all know, a determined pro-level crook will get through anything! ...it's all about deterrence for me, and so far these Liteloks have the best convenience:security trade-off ratio I've come across. Would be fascinated to see what you made of them in once of your in depth super thorough tests.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer There are a lot of benefits to the previous model that we bought then destroyed, though the angle-grinder attack knocked it back a little. Still, it was a good option for portable security and I'd be interested in what differences the changes to the new one make to all the attack methods.
@@bennettsbikesocial ...as would I!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Happy to test yours... :)
I think I'd let the Lockpickinglawer have a go first. He picked the previous version in seconds and more importantly cut it open in 17 seconds with normal cutters.
Unfortunately 30 secs with a Milwaukee cordless grinder will have it off
Nonsense.....15 seconds at the most ;-)
Glad you got one head of time - I signed up to the kickstarter and still a year later waiting
Sorry to hear that - I have spoken to Litelok about lack of delivery and they assure me they are now fulfilling all orders, drop me a mail if you’ve not received anything within a week…
Pick proof 🤔 should that say pick resistant
Possibly...
Good for her. I'll definitely take a look. 👍
Looks a great bit of kit, nice and bright deterrent. It's those battery powered angle grinders the crims all appear to use, suspect it won't stop those but if it slows them 👍👍
Well as I said a determined “pro” level thief will defeat any security but as a deterrent or means of slowing down a crook, I reckon this is a good option....
We'll find out when we can get hold of one. Cheers, John
Problem is I’m not sure anything resists a modern battery angle grinder, having said that it’s a lot better than using nothing, and would foil the more casual thief. PS, GS still looking like new.
Altor SAF, is the only lock that is
Nice review Andy, I’ve been looking at different locks for a while. That looks excellent! I think il team that up with the Oxford boss alarm disc lock. Hope you are doing well 👍🏻
Very Convincing! Ìm getting one, very convenient that you dont have to use the key to close it. Cannot cut corners protecting your head or bike. Thanks for putting this out there Andy. Love your channel....
Cheers!
Not saying don’t buy it, but go look at the LockPickingLawyers two RUclips videos on these locks first. He picked it in under 30 seconds and cut it open in under 16 seconds with a pair of wire cutters. Any lock or security system can be beaten eventually, but this one appears to be absurdly easy to defeat.
@@themotorcyclemasswhole thanks for the info, even more convincing not to buy or perhaps as a second lock to my heavy chain. Safe ridings!
@@themotorcyclemasswhole thanks for the Info , decided not to buy it....
@@jvl4832 👍… amazing to think what kind of amazing lock they could have made if they had spent more money on research and less on their prolific social media advertising campaign 🤣. It’s really sad that at the end of the day it’s just a crappy 1980’s cable lock in a fancy package. Ride safe brother 👍
Oh, mate......how long have you waited patiently to drop the ‘hi kids’?!! I’m tempted to buy two just to reward your patience, friend !😉. Usual benchmark standard for your reviews, mate, top drawer. Appreciate the upfront sponsorship disclaimer but I have noted numerous times your praise of these puppies long before they became sponsors or sent you freebies. Didn’t realise the validity of weight till I tried to carry & use a decent chain & discovered just how cumbersome they are. The original looked good but I’m up for a couple of these new ones even more so, as they will be superb to double up as a mountain bike lock and save me having to lock them on the car roof every time or maul out a big old chain. Thanks for the review and update on the new one, friend. Keep smilin’......
Cheers George - all the best!
Ordered mine via their kick starter page at a decent discount. Looking forward to using it. Nice review.
Definitely gonna be getting one of these, never trust disc locks, this seems like a much better option that's just as easy to carry
Out of curiosity, why don’t you trust disc locks?
'Includes' paid promotion? What else is in this video other than an advert with a bunch of ridiculous claims?
Not too sure about the lock around the body advice. Spending on decent helmet, kevlar jacket, boots, airbag on the GoldWing and then wearing a kidney-busting hard thing around the squidgy bits might not be the best plan.
Yes fair point!
@@TheMissendenFlyer That came from H&S warnings at a well known public broadcaster that belt-mounted radio microphone transmitters are not to be used when riding bikes or horses. I was able to add a supplementary warning about not going up behind horses with a boom mike on a long pole. The horses don’t understand the tech and can only imagine what you intend to do with it.
Wearing the lock around your waist is IMHO bad and irresponsible advice. Andy - you should withdraw this and publish a correction. If you have an accident and come off the bike wearing the lock you will do serious damage to yourself.
Apart from that, I love your channel Andy, but don’t drop the « hey kids » - it’s your trademark!
Bennets did test on litelock, you should watch the video.
They haven't tested this one! ...and I did see the video, I thought the old Litelok came out well in their thorough destructive testing....
We have indeed tested the previous model, but sadly nobody has tested this one outside of the excellent Sold Secure, but I don't think everyone is clear on what the Gold rating means.
I'd really like the chance to test this one; there are plenty of recommendations for it on the Kickstarter page, but until we can actually put it through real-world testing based on what criminals actually do (as entertaining as LPL is, even he acknowledges it doesn't reflect street crime), I'll reserve judgement. Cheers, John
A cordless angle grinder will go through it in seconds!
A cordless angle grinder will go through any portable chain in seconds. At some point it kinda becomes a neutral argument and we should realise that chain is better than no chain
Just compare this to the chain,would you put this in your top box,or massive dirty chain?
100% a cordless mini grinder is the weapon of choice but a bright coloured lock and chain is no more than a visual deterrent to an opportunist. The lighter the better really as expensive and super dooper is no longer viable in the cordless mini grinder era🤐
He says that in the video. It’s more to stop an opportunist. If you have two comparable bikes next to each other, one with a lock and one with out, the one without the lock will be nicked.
@@mistery00t29 I wouldn't bring a massive dirty chain I'd bring a light colorful locking devise and get it in somewhere awkward to maneuver a mini grinder
Hi Andy, having worked in a hospital A+E. I would not recommend putting any chain or motorbike lock around any part of your body. I have seen the end results,and it's not good! Sorry to put a dampener on an otherwise top video!
Not at all - fair enough and thanks for pointing it out...
Anything that acts as a deterrent to the bike thieves is worthwhile
Exactly!
I think it’s a challenge not a deterrent to a thief
I am tempted to get ‘er indoors to knit one in bright yellow, it would be just as effective, cost nothing & roll up into a ball.
Go for it!
Just ordered one ! Not sure how cheap they were but I got a nice discount using TMF code which seemed to be a default setting on the website. Thanks very much. It seems like a decent product and chopsy's son would never make a bike thief anyway. It's peace of mind. I don't realistically think anybody wants my Fazer 1000 on a 02 plate but you never know. If it did get nicked it's probably cheaper than the taxi fare home. Keep them coming
Thanks for the tipper on this one, Andy. And thanks for the discount link.
Let's hope I actually have mine sent out soon since it's been saying they are sending pre orders out September
Sounds like a great piece of Kit been to website not available until September only available for pre- order
Yes it’s a new product - didn’t realise there was going to be quite such a big delay to general availability or I would have mentioned it.....
It's advertised for £180 on their Web site not £150. Just incase you made a mistake
If you follow my link below the video you'll see it's £150 - if you order via my link you get 10% off that! .... so £135!
@@TheMissendenFlyer
I did follow your link must have went wrong somewhere 😏😏
Got a pair of the original ones and also bought the new one on there Kickstarter a couple of months ago. Absolutely superb lock very visible too👍.
Security and fashion item rolled into one! What's not to love 😂 👍
It's more fashion than security to me, aimed at the lazy/limp wristed biker if you ask me,....sorry but you can't beat a beefy, heavy chain and padlock at the end of the day.
Woh woh woh … Is this video the first video you drop ‘hey kids’ … love the lite lock by the way
Yes may have been - is coming back though…
@@TheMissendenFlyer that’s a relief.
It does look more robust than the old one. But then again LPL snipped it in under 20 seconds.
I would also advise that leaving any type of lock on the ground gives the attacker the bonus of using body weight and a solid foundation to attack the device - we need to ensure we are giving the best advice to the audience, if bike crime is to be reduced, lease don't leave locks on the ground
Yes good tip!
Between the airbag and this lock I should be prepared for going to the toilet. Sooo long to unpack these 😎
Good idea but their site says no delivery until September.
...yes it's new to the market and they are taking pre-orders, I wasn't clear on that when I made the video or I would have mentioned it - my apologies....
Would be great if you could post the minimum diameter of this lock, so I can check whether it would fit in my soft luggage pannier. They haven't posted any measurements on their website apart from the length of the product. Looks like you can curl it up quite small, so the smaller the better for me personally.
Great suggestion!
Waiting for mine to drop too (after they get in touch about colour) so that I don’t have to take a heavy lock to the ABR festival.
Look nice too
Ian
Back on Two Wheels
Only just seen this and unfortunately ordered a twin set of the old model only yesterday.
Very nice lock
It looks good Andy. Great advert and demo. Thank you.
No problem 👍
The outer cover looks good. Nice bright colour to remind u to unlock it.and let would b tea leaf.to try another less srcure bike
It is bulkier than the mk1 version though from what I can see plus it’s short so strapping to a fixed object is going to be challenging, unless you do that then frankly a good thief targeting your bike will take it easily by lifting it up and placing in a van. If you’re only after stopping an opportunist thief then a disc lock will do that at significantly less money. This is coming from someone who as a victim has experience of professional theft
Sorry to hear that - as I said, a "pro" thief will defeat any security....
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes I hear you and heartedly agree, which is my point that it would be difficult for that lock to attach to a fixed object away from the bike when out and about unless I had 2 of them to link together but the bulk means that any slight advantage it has would be lost. Strapped around my waist is not a good idea in the event of a spill. So it brings me back to my point that a disc lock will deter an opportunistic thief too without the bulk and expense of this. It’s impossible to get 100% protection from a professional thief but thoughtful parking where we leave bikes , data tag and a tracker are better than this for a pro thieves deterrent , as for cost if you need 2 of them that’s about
£250- £300 ? IMHO it’s actually creating a cosy peace of mind for the owner in reality it offers little more than a regular chain lock
Well said Daryl.
This one is not out till September. Looks the part though, may just get last version
👍 Great honest review on a hopefully improved product.
Lamb chops was trying to cut a cable with bolt choppers not cable cutters,
Pj Mack
Litelok have improved the new lock with different cable braiding and materials which will slow attacks by cable and disc cutters
Also if you keep the lock off the ground it's a lot harder to cut.
Mine finally arrived today after multiple shiftings of dates, was promised in august 2021, was only ordered may 2021 lol, let’s hope it stacks up when on Tour, it certainly packs away small :)
Glad to hear it's finally arrived!
As a deterrent for the opportunist, fine. But I’m not sure referencing Chops’ video is a great idea when LPL went through it in two snips or so. And before anyone says anything, he simply used a tool anyone can buy. But hey, it’s better than nothing for sure.
The tool LPL used isn't actually that easy to buy in the UK. There's another video on YT of someone cutting one of these, he had to order the cutter from the US.
No videos on RUclips of anyone cutting this lock - it's the new improved model!
@@MyMednas That's right (it was me) - there's no evidence of those cutters being used in UK crime at least, based on discussion with the Motorcycle Crime Reduction Group and International Association of Auto Theft Investigators, both of which I'm a member of. I'm looking forward to the opportunity to test this lock to destruction to find out what it's actually like. Cheers, John
I've ordered one, thanks for the discount. I use heavier duty chains in the garage but this looks like a decent compromise for out and about. As already mentioned pro bike thieves will get through anything but this may help against the opportunist. Top Tip I always try to park next to a more desirable unsecured bike :-)
Nice one Andy. Any deterrent is better than none for the amateur and opportunist tea-leaf; and as you rightly say, if they truly want it, they’ll have it. For the intro I’m not fussed either way, it’s the content that matters. BTW Albi airport exhibition centre has been transformed into the local COVID Vaccine Centre. Was down there yesterday afternoon for my 1st jab! Cheers bud! Looking forward to a tour vid later in the year on that Gold Wing!
Cheers Steve!
Thanks, interesting & helpful vid. Always interested in good security. Will check it out.
Hi Andy, nice video. Not sure if you’re aware, just been on the site and it doesn’t come with any discount. Not sure if that’s finished.
...the discount is automatically applied at checkout if you use the link I supplied below the video....
Thanks I have been looking at these locks for a while now. Great review and informative
Glad to help!
Fancy looks, but I would always take far stronger chain instead. Comparable length of 12mm chain+lock is ~4kgs.
This is lighter and at least as strong as a chain.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Actually no, it isn`t even close to being as strong as a 12mm hardened steel chain.
Looks like a great bit of kit but I only have saddle bags on my bike and it doesn’t look like it would roll up tightly enough to fit in them. Not too keen on wearing it either as I doubt it would fit round my waist as I’m not as slimline as you. Great product review though. Keep them coming. 👍
I have one of the original models and I very much approve of it, though I have had some difficulties with the key mechanism on mine getting stuck unless the two joining clips are *absolutely* straight and level. I've ordered two of the new model on Kickstarter, so hopefully it has improved a little bit. One of the key features that it offers over a disc lock is being able to park up next to a railing or lampost and attach your bike *to* something. Important for lighter bikes in particular, like my beloved little Honda C90, so they can't just be lifted into the back of a van.
Good point!
Thanks for posting. Although I normally don't lock my bike around my "home" area, I do tend to bring along some protection along for my out of state trips. We are thinking of doing two trips this summer. One to the mountains in Colorado and another to the Grand Canyon in Arizona. Currently, I use a Krypon front disklock. What is the best way to implement the Litelock when traveling? You show the lock wrapped around the rear tire, but then all the bad guy(s) has to do is lift the rear tire and push it along into a van or truck. May be easier if the bad guy just removes the rear tire. Specially the GS. It only takes 5 screws.
As I said - a determined criminal will get past any security!!
I guess the only really valuable recommendation, is when someone shows a litelok that's been the subject of an attempted theft out on the streets, and resisted...You could road test it for a decade and if no-one has a go at it, then nothing has been learned? A tamper alarm built in would be a good addition too, like many disc locks....
After lockdown I'm not sure I could wear as a belt....
Nice one Andy. I’m however trying to lose 2.4 kilos from around the waistline so not a good spot for me. Does it also float as the colour and look may suggest that, plus the marine grade hardware... 😂👍😎
Thank you very much TMF just bought one £135. with your discount code 👍 cheers
Great review Andy, just a shame they aren't delivering until September 2021 😢 I need it for WW21 😊
Yes it is a bit of a wait isn't it - sorry about that, I didn't know at the time I recorded the video or I would have mentioned it!
@@TheMissendenFlyer no worries, I will wait and take my chain in the meantime 😊
Like to have seen you LiteLock the bike to a post/road groundanchor/ immovable object etc . My worry is it's radius isn't very big and using the LiteLock just on a wheel is useless against 2 beefy blokes in a ford Transit.. Thanks!
I'd like to see them lift my GoldWing!!
Thanks TMF....looks good.
BTW....rusty mainstand! Why do BMWs do that? I had the one on my GS replaced under warranty. Bought a K1600 and it did the same.
I think all bikes suffer from that - comes from hanging out in the crud all the time I guess...
@@TheMissendenFlyer The stands on my FJR1300 and my Hondas haven't gone rusty....I've only really experienced it with BMWs.
Simple enough & secure. The price sounds about right to be honest 👍🏻😀
Cheers Andy. I was already thinking about a Litelok, so I’ve just ordered the 125 👌
Did you go via the link in the description and get the discount (out of interest??) - someone said the link wasn't working (but it looks good to me).....
@@TheMissendenFlyer I certainly did and the linked worked fine! (£15 off the RRP) 😁👍
Impressive!
I have no doubt it's a very good lock, but what's wrong with a good disc lock? I have a ABUS granit sledge fitted to its carrier for ease of carrying it
I use both - the more deterrence the better!
Agree, likewise, I love my Abus too.
I don't feel ready to trust these 'strappy' type locks yet........
For the love of the baby jebus don't wear a lock on you, it will f you up if you come off, can't believe it was mentioned here, really irresponsible, next there'll be a recommendation for copper slip on your brake pads lol. When it comes to security, more is more, having a number of different locks on your bike is better than this. Sorry, in a grumpy mood, had some smelling salts administered and just after coming round, last thing i heard was the cost of this lock, £150 😳😬
Great bit of security 👏
Yes I have a high degree of confidence in this one....
So it’s secure against pretty much everything apart from what thieves actually use... Angle grinders.
I don’t know, I’ve not tried it, but I suspect an angle grinder will pretty much get through anything.
@@TheMissendenFlyer 14 seconds for the previous likelok. It will get through anything, but it will take at least a minute to get through a 16mm chain which may just put them off.
Cordless power tools have made all of these products pointless other than a mild deterrent. Just more landfill for the planet to contend with and carboot fodder for the future.
So you'd leave an expensive bike parked up in public with no lock? It's a lot better than no lock.
@@MyMednas Absolutely I would, & do. That is why I pay insurance. The deterrent value of that lock is so small it is pointless. Have you used a 0.5mm cutting disc on a cordless angle grinder? Approx. 10 seconds or less.
Looks a great piece of kit, please don’t ware it use a belt instead to keep your jeans up 👍
Cheers Andy keep up the good work 👍🏍
I would like to see some decent bolt croppers have a go before I would buy it.
I think he mentioned the lamb chop video and showed a short clip where someone is using bolt croppers on it.
...that was the old lock too!
@@TheMissendenFlyer unless they have invented a new kind of steel you will still have the same problem, how do you think they cut lift cables, cable are designed to hold mass not be sheer proof.
@@hhuodod2209 ...well to be fair they have invented a new kind of lock, not designed simply to hold mass like a lift cable.....
So, the claim of 100% pickproof is a lie. I wish companies would stop this claim. This has a disc detainer core and although a special pick is needed, it can easily be defeated in under 2 minutes. It may hold up to brute force attack, sure, but companies need to be more honest with the “pickproof” label.
Just pre-ordered with your discount code 10% off ! Great thanks 👍🏻
My pleasure....
Looks great. The Core Moto 125 isn’t available on their US website. But I’ll keep my eyes open for it.
Did you try the link in the description? That gets you 10% off....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Kept redirecting me to the US site where i live. I ended up using a VPN and was able to order from the UK site - thx!
Nice bit of kit at least it’s transportable without life threatening injuries....
Exactly! Always a trade off between security and ease of use (weight) - this seems to have got the balance about right....
@@TheMissendenFlyer looks great..slightly more beefy than your previous..
A battery DeWalt drill with a cutting disc?
Thats much better than original
Was going to buy one but then saw likely available in September. Oof. I wish things would get promoted when they are actually available.
Yes I wasn’t made aware of the availability when I made the video otherwise I would have mentioned it - sorry about that.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer all good. Love your videos and information!
@@Bmichaels679 hey Bob! Lewis from Litelok here, apologies we have hit some delays and don’t want to bring the product out until we are 100% satisfied.
Apologies!