I owned the 2003 Z4 3.Oi 6-speed manual (I bought it used in 2005) and sold it in 2013. it was the best car I ever owned, I never had a single problem with it, I believe it was Chris Bangle's best design and still looks timeless. Thank you for the great episode.
Same with me and the Pagani Zonda, then I grew up to find out how money works and how tough life can be... Ahhh what I'd give to be young and innocent again.
@@R03333 Oh yeah 100%. As a 35 year old, I have worked up to an R8. Totally a car for life and feel so blessed to get to this point. The R8, and the 350Z before it have given me pure unadulterated car joy for a tiny fraction of the cost of a Zonda. I was more talking about the naivety of 10 year old me thinking "That's SO cool, but looks expensive. Might have to work a bit harder and save a bit longer but I'll get that when I'm older." The world is your oyster mentality with zero concept of some things in life just simply being unobtainable.
I've owned quite a few V6 Coupé's, the Renault Laguna 3 3.5V6, Z4 3.0i, 350z, Lexus SC430, and the Alfa Romeo GTV V6, the Laguna and its sister thr 350z are pretty Average, with the Laguna being the better put together option if a bit down on power due to the detuned VQ, but it did have 4WS and a pretty spacious and high tech cabin for the time. The Lexus was rubbish, felt like you were sitting in Freddy Mercury's bedroom and drove badly, the BMW was dynamic but the Alfa topped the list for being the best all rounder, even by being FWD. The best buy right now would still be the Z4.
The creative minds of two knucklehead car reviewer enthusiast is the greatest thing on RUclips. Thanks fellas keep the goofy stuff going along with your top shelf reviews.!
They really are next level at this...Legit one of the very few channels, of ANY genre, that I instantly watch, and could watch nonstop over anything else.
Got my '03 Z4 4 years ago and still enjoy it to this day - fast enough, cool sound as well as a good shift action and handling make it an entertaining sports car 👌🏽 I enjoyed seeing it reviewed on the channel - greetings from Belgium 😁
The 2006-2008 LCI Z4 roadsters (e85) and Z4 coupes (e86) are the most raw analog Z4 model. The LCI version (2006-2008) of the Z4 e86 has an improved EPS for better steering feel compared to pre-LCI models. The 3.0si versions also get the lighter N52 engine (total weight of 2900 lbs) with 30 more HP (255hp).
I work at a bmw dealer and I sold one of these, in the short trip to the petrol station to fuel it for a customer I was totally convinced that this is quietly amazing and was as good in that 5 minute drive as most other fast BMWs I’ve driven
@@hassanger8128 you are right, I don't have a personal driver which will be managing all the service logistics when the car is broke and don't have an extra garage for a spare vehicle, what a pity. Why can't everybody be like you, one of the wealthiest and VIP people of the world who was so generous to spend time writing a comment to such a peasant like me *crying in mortgage language*
I rescued my '07 3.0si from a neglectful owner and only paid $200 for it. Cosmetically it was in fantastic shape but i needed to put the gamut of regular BMW repairs into it to make it drivable. I absolutely love that car and it's so great for weekend getaway trips.
@@_louis.se_ probably what it would have been had it not been neglected (coming from a fellow N52 owner with a 128i). My guess is that Z4 had a water pump and thermostat combo, and hopefully not the belt sucked into the front main seal (which happens when the oil filter housing gasket inevitably leaks onto the belt). But indeed, I'd love to try a Z4, let alone the 3.0si, as that's 255hp and a higher redline than these older 3.0's. All the Z cars also have easier access to their rear two spark plugs than their sedan/coupe counterparts as well, with a longer hood and no cowl over the top of the engine.
This is right up there with Hagerty and DriveTribe for the best car channels on RUclips. I absolutely love the presentation and comedic approach. You guys are awesome. Proud to see a Canadian channel get so far.
You guys are a brilliant team. Congratulations. This video is pure gold, from the intro that made me laugh out loud in the middle of a supermarket, to the center console moment doing it again😂😂😂. Just congratulations to you all.
This is exactly why I love this channel. Incredible production quality, classic little stupid Throttle House skit, and on point hilarious jokes. Tbh kinda felt like even tho the previous videos have been good, there was a little bit of Throttle House magic missing, but this video is just the classic awesomeness from you guys. Really loved the video if you couldn't already tell :)
That's what I've kind of thought too, but now I've figured out what it is for me. It isn't a specific format, or any difference in editing. For me, having a more relaxed video driving relatively attainable cars feels much more natural for Thorttle Horse. Compared to something like the Z06 or a 296 GTB, these normie car vids are more relaxed and relatable. We know that those cars are great, but are too fast and lack some things. Most of the time, something like a golf R or, dare I say, an MX-5, has those missing qualities which make a true drivers car. The car which panders to drivers just feels more natural to have on Thorttle Horse. Edit: after fully watching, I must say the compartment not opening really helps the mood
Less room and heavier than E85. More of a GT. If you want the pure driving experience, the E85 is the one to go. Try and find one with M seats. Hugely improves the experience
@beschuitfluiter Nah e89 is objectively better. And IMO easier to keep on the road (as in maintenance). These are lifestyle cars. There's much better roadsters out there for fun.
I'm so happy about the recognition and love that the 1st gen z4 is getting, such an amazing car even if the plastic interior inside cracks and falls apart at the lightest touch
The back cupholder bit / storage console whatever it was , HAD ME DYING ALONG WITH YOU . James you slayed me with “lovely steering wheel” outta nowhere 😂😂😂😂😂
I was unsure about the G29's design until one evening three years ago I saw one in person in a beautiful silvery-beige metallic paint. It is one of maybe 3 BMWs you can get new that I don't consider to be crimes against car design.
When I was 18 I worked as a Jimmy John’s delivery driver in SoCal, had an 05 Z4. Driving that everyday, top down, blasting music with my car toys amp and subs, such a vibe ✌️
As an engineer who owns a 2004 BMW Z4 3.0 (manual), you guys were killing me trying to open the *LOCKED* center console!! I was literally yelling at you-begging you-to stop! I guess your abuse of the poor thing is a testament to how very secure the lock on that little storage space is. Props to BMW engineering…it’s Throttle House-proof!!😂😂😂
I've still got a Z4 coupe that I've owned for 15 years. Still a fantastic little car, and I'm loathe to switch it for something more modern, it still stands up today as a great sports car
I don't care what the world thinks. I drove the first gen E85 Z4 and the S2K multiple times. And I will take that E85 Z4 every time. It was that damn good!
Ohh my goodness lads 👏👏👏👏 How do you guys come up with these intros? 😂 Both of you work together like two peas in a pod on camera reviewing the vehicles and It's done with such humor and flow. When it comes to the TopGear/GT lads, everyone seems to think it takes three presenters to have the right amount of chemistry, but I think that those people are wrong! As we see every week Thomas and James prove them wrong, that TopGear/GT chemistry can be done with only two presenters! Top work lads and God bless 🙌
The reason I know James and I would get along aside from a shared enthusiasm of cars is that he is enough of a fan of Carl Sagan to dedicate his license plate to the man. A kindred spirit indeed.
The E85 was ahead of its time. Beautiful fun car that still keeps up with modern stuff, a mint example is not too expensive to buy, cheap to run, fairly reliable and can use it as a daily. I chose a manual one with the N52 2.5si instead of an mx-5 while shopping for a fun sports roadster and I don't think I'll ever sell it, I never imagined it was that good. Might consider getting the new manual M40i but I don't think I'm going to love it as much as the E85.
Don't forget that a few years later, the 3.0si trim replaced the M54 with the N52, which is lighter and more powerful with a broader torque curve! Haven't looked up prices on those recently, but probably not much more than the '03 reviewed here.
I love these reviews, very relatable and relevent! Keep it up! I have always owned a NA/NB miatas and Z4s, I've had 1.6l and 1.8l miatas. Ive had both a 2005 2.5l z4 m54b25 and 2007 3.0si z4 with the n52 engine. I recently got rid of my 07 z4 3.0si after putting 40k+ miles on it (130k on the ODO) to get a ND2 miata and have not looked back since. both my Z's have had the sport package (6spd manual, BMW recaro's, different suspension.) I first got the z4 because I wanted a "faster" miata without stressing the engine or reducing reliability. BUT the suspension geometry is just different AND the weight difference is huge considering these are cars under 300hp. I eventually got rid of my miata and daily'd the z4's for a while, but I always kept chasing the feeling of miata. I put KW suspension, turner monoball LCA and RTA's, grippier tires, sway bars, and wheels but it still just wasn't a miata -Barely any after market. You have to either use e46 parts or e90 parts depending on the year you get, but even then there are some specific parts that seem like it would work on a e46/e90 but doesn't work on the z4 due to certain minuscule differences in tolorances. - NO LSD option unless you get the M -Sport seats HURT HURT HURT, if you are anything under 180lbs and don't fill in the seats you will slide around on the leather(wish they had suede middle inserts, or a cloth sport seat option), the bolstering is so far out it doesn't really feel like its there. -Did I say no LSD unless you get M or swap in a e46 M rearsubframe? -if you get it to just to enjoy it in stock form then its fine how it is! but does lack a lot of potential in the aftermarket performance scene. ( if you make regular wages, and don't want to spend 6-8k on a supercharger kit that isn't carb legal or doesn't include labor) - LOVED the M54 and N52 engine best engines ive ever had, they felt so athletic and I never felt bad for pushing them all day at an Autox or track session. - OH DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE SHIFTER FEEL OF A BMW AFTER DRIVING A MIATA FOR SO MANY YEARS. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING could ever make a BMW shifter feel like a miata shifter. TLDR: I love my z4's :D The ND2 miata has a 6spd, lsd, RF TOP, 181hp, 2 seater, Huge aftermarket, no BMW tax. Plus I drove 2k miles around Oregon in 4 days, without ever being uncomfortable in the stock seats. ;) if you are considering getting a e85 z4 03-08 I would get the facelift 06-08 with the n52 engine and 3.0si engine making 255~hp, I wouldn't worry about the sport package if you are looking to modify as the recaros are super heavy and electric. I would just get a more comfortable, better fitting aftermarket bucket seat like the recaro sportster GT. OEM suspension is nice, but upgrade to ohlins and it will feel more connected to the road and less thrashy, ALL OEM bushings are fine. if you are looking to get and LSD I would find a spare 2.5l diff with the shorter 3.46 gearing compared to the 3.23 that comes with the 3.0si, send it to differential shop and pop it in and forget about it. and your total will come out to about 20k-40k including the car depending on how you modified. OR OR OR get a ND2 miata w/ club package and forget about all the mods you did to the z4.
I have owned 7 different bmw z4 and only drove a miata for a few minutes I enjoyed it and can imagine owning a miata beside my z The most interesting thing for me is the playfullness of the miata, you can throw it in the turns and its tail is playfull and coming fast and controlable With the z4 you kinda have too much grip, its alwAys so serious like you are chasing times
Ah the M54B30, my first car was an E39 530i with that engine. A sweet six that was pretty linear and didn't mind frequent trips to redline. Coupled to the automatic, it felt a little floppy, but it was the perfect amount of power for a 17 year old car enthusiast to toy around with.
My M54B30 is positive displacement supercharged with a whipple. It's seen lots of miles (MANY on track). It's a gem. Just needs love and a wallet. Neglect is never good for any motor.
The z4 doesnt get the appreciation it deserves. I feel like it has the same reputation as the audi TT as a "hairdressers car" but the fact you can still get it in a manual shows its a really great enthusiast car
Thank you for bringing good car videos to us. We lost top gear but eventually got savageeese and you guys and I finally feel like the torch has been passed on
I have an '06 3.0 Si and you guys were nicer to it than I would have thought. I'm not a huge fan of the steering, and many of my interior bits are also broken so no surprise you spent over a minute trying to open the storage bin. Thanks for the review, I've been looking forward to this new vs old.
Oh man. I never thought as a grownass man, I could still laugh so hard when Thomas and James were struggling to open the center console storage. This was gold. Jim Carrey kinda moment.
I have the Z4M Coupe (s54 engine) and it's a honestly a game changing experience, nothing comes close without spending 5+ times the money. I daily a b58 but the s54 in that chassis is truly something special.
In the intro, that look on Jame's face, was immediately followed by the TH logo with, "Car Reviews Evolved." I am glad you do not take yourselves too seriously. Stay goofy. I appreciate your reviews.
Just bought a 3.0I 6 speed manual in black with red leather seats... Aux port, roof motor relocation to boot.... and BC Coilovers and some intake foam already removed.... all for £1800... I will never part with it... Just awesome for the money!!! It feels so connected, simple and mechanical..... Will not be repeated..... AND looks brilliant now!!! You'd pay 15k for the Z4M.... These people are being VERY dishonest here 😂 Trying to save face for the new one...
It actually shocked me to hear them say the price of the old one is 20k cos I was thinking they were like 2 or 3 grand here😂highest I've seen them is 10 I think.
@@Afraz_9n3 You can get the z4M at that price!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 They are being very dishonest and a bit too kind to the new one.... As a 3.0i in the Uk is anywhere from £2500 to £5k MAX!!!... Mines was £1800 😂💨.. Basically a free car in comparison...
I recently bought off an action the same one, 3.0i 6speed manual in black but interior is light brown, 165k miles (265k km) for 2400 US dollars, runs almost like new, no mechanical issues (only wear on interiors) and I'm enjoying as my new daily drive. Best purchase ever.
A Z4 for $20k and 62,200 km (38,525 mi), what an opportunity for someone wanting a summer roadster for crushing some back country roads. I love the interior of the older Z4, it is clean, simple and driver focused. One thing I’ve learned through the years, take what journalists tell you with a grain of salt, RUclipsrs included (sorry guys). The average person will never have the opportunity to drive a plethora of cars like a journalists or RUclipsr, who I believe develop a twisted sense of what an average guy car should be. The new M40i dash is unnecessarily busy and the design is OK, I much prefer the older Z4. Bang for the buck, the Z4 is a bargain. If I was looking for a new roadster with a $100k+ budget, I’d be over at the Porsche dealership.
Wow can’t believe how much you New-Worlder ex-colonials have to pay for your used cars! A nice 2003 3.0 is a £5,000 car here in the UK ($6250 US or $8,000 CAD). Which is even weirder when you appreciate we have to pay about 10% more for them when new…
@@neilturner6749I lived in the UK for a number of years and would agree. Cars in the UK depreciate much faster, for reasons I never quite understood. One difference I have found with Canadian cars vs US cars or even UK cars is the overall spec. When you are getting into a BMW, Porsche or Merc, the Canadian cars tend to have a lot more options on them. We have a smaller market with limited driving months and I think the higher specs are needed to encourage some buyers.
@@bluesky9093 it could be also because they are right hand drive so there is limited market for them in Europe. For example here in Poland there was some time that RHD cars were being imported because they were cheaper and even with the switch it was profitable. Although now we can register rhd cars so there is no need for the switch.
The old Z4 got a whole lot better than that 3.0. The 3.0iS, the M versions, and the Alpina Roadster were great. The M version even swapped the steering for hydraulic.
@Donax695 I had the M version until a few years ago and I regret selling it. I sort of rage quit the car after the hydraulics for the top failed twice in 8 months.
My mate recently bought an 07 3.0si manual coupe and it's amazing. Love the mix up of two different generations of bmws in terms of tech and interior bits. And the n52 is great for how light the car is, great fun car and I want one now
I really enjoy when you guys test affordable, or at least semi-affordable cars. Not a fan of the Bangle styling, but otherwise...really like the 2003 Z4.
I had the original Z4 for 5 years. Two roof motors due to the water ingress. Steering would become very heavy and notchy (very dangerous at high speed as it was so difficult to make minor adjustments) on hot days. I'm sure I read this was because of hydraulic fluid expanding- this video just taught me the steering was electric so now I have no idea what that issue was. Dashboard rattled, roof squeaked constantly when it was folded. Passenger window would get stuck- again on hot days only. Best car I ever owned 😆
Relocating the motor from the well to the trunk would’ve taken care of that problem. Sticky steering… don’t have that, thank the powers that be! There are some solutions to that as well, but I only know of German shops that can solve that.
Water drains at rear have rubber covers that get clogged up with dirt remove them or clean once year no need to worry about relocating the motor 2 min job to clean
@@Carl-g5h Mine were replaced with the modified type but I'd recommend cleaning more often than once a year and that still might not be enough to stop that stupid plastic bag around the motor trapping moisture..
That intro is bloody diabolical for ending like that. 😂
James going into 6th 🤣
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Intros with happy endings for the win!
I haven’t laughed like that in a while. This guys are crazy
I didn't see it coming... So to speak.
Now that’s a short shifter😂
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Underrated comment 😂
LOL!
😂😂😂😂
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“600 pounds lighter. A number so significant, it has its own show on TLC”
Okay that caught me off guard. Hilarious.
I thought he was gonna say "a number so significant, it's almost as heavy as your mom." 😆
@@paintballplayer700throttle house has more class than to use ‘your mom’ lines
My 600-Lb Life 🤘
@@Tempsho nah, they don't shy away from crude jokes:).
I'm out of the loop, can someone ruin the joke for me?
I owned the 2003 Z4 3.Oi 6-speed manual (I bought it used in 2005) and sold it in 2013. it was the best car I ever owned, I never had a single problem with it, I believe it was Chris Bangle's best design and still looks timeless. Thank you for the great episode.
Anders Warming designed it I think. I have a 2004 3.0L si auto in Sterling Grey with red upholstery.
Bought mine used in 2008. Still have it. Love it and don’t plan to sell.
I had same year but 2.5 Auto, should never have sold it. Great car.
When I was a kid as a young car guy I always wanted a Z4. As a 30yr old now I wouldn’t say it’s my first choice but I do still love these cars
Same with me and the Pagani Zonda, then I grew up to find out how money works and how tough life can be... Ahhh what I'd give to be young and innocent again.
@@pkbeastthere's always something you can find that'll give you car joy for less budget
@@R03333 Oh yeah 100%. As a 35 year old, I have worked up to an R8. Totally a car for life and feel so blessed to get to this point. The R8, and the 350Z before it have given me pure unadulterated car joy for a tiny fraction of the cost of a Zonda. I was more talking about the naivety of 10 year old me thinking "That's SO cool, but looks expensive. Might have to work a bit harder and save a bit longer but I'll get that when I'm older." The world is your oyster mentality with zero concept of some things in life just simply being unobtainable.
I've owned quite a few V6 Coupé's, the Renault Laguna 3 3.5V6, Z4 3.0i, 350z, Lexus SC430, and the Alfa Romeo GTV V6, the Laguna and its sister thr 350z are pretty Average, with the Laguna being the better put together option if a bit down on power due to the detuned VQ, but it did have 4WS and a pretty spacious and high tech cabin for the time. The Lexus was rubbish, felt like you were sitting in Freddy Mercury's bedroom and drove badly, the BMW was dynamic but the Alfa topped the list for being the best all rounder, even by being FWD. The best buy right now would still be the Z4.
The Gen 2 was the most beautiful. Problem is it was so impractical I hardly ever drove it.
The minute and a half of James and Thomas collectively losing their minds over that center console took me all the way out.
I think they locked the doors during filming by accident. It won't open when it's locked. Or something got jammed
The fact that they deliberately left that in speaks VOLUMES of their character and I love everything about that choice
OG Top Gear vibes 😂
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe Or just that they found it humorous.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872they are humorous characters. That’s my point.
The amount of time spent on that center console and the ensuing comedy while the failure was happening was absolute GOLD!!!😂😂😂
Bro i was laughing so hard i had to pause the vid just to breath
I almost spit out my coffee, and the scene just kept going. So glad they left that in.
Ok i didnt expect that intro
Was okay till the ungodly ending. 🤢🤮🤮🤮
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The creative minds of two knucklehead car reviewer enthusiast is the greatest thing on RUclips. Thanks fellas keep the goofy stuff going along with your top shelf reviews.!
This episode was hilarious. From the MX5 trash talk, to blowing up the engine, to the intro, to the hilarious inability to open the center bin.
The brojob, the center compartment, the ping pong idea....Another fantastic one.
Also you don't need indicators it's a BMW, hilarious!
English shifting the Englishman is diabolical
I can’t believe I get a detailed, well put together and entertaining car review for free along with that intro
They really are next level at this...Legit one of the very few channels, of ANY genre, that I instantly watch, and could watch nonstop over anything else.
Got my '03 Z4 4 years ago and still enjoy it to this day - fast enough, cool sound as well as a good shift action and handling make it an entertaining sports car 👌🏽
I enjoyed seeing it reviewed on the channel - greetings from Belgium 😁
The 2006-2008 LCI Z4 roadsters (e85) and Z4 coupes (e86) are the most raw analog Z4 model. The LCI version (2006-2008) of the Z4 e86 has an improved EPS for better steering feel compared to pre-LCI models. The 3.0si versions also get the lighter N52 engine (total weight of 2900 lbs) with 30 more HP (255hp).
The center console refusing to open was comedy gold. Thank you for leaving all of that in.
"I'm not accepting this!" 🤣
Were the doors locked? 😉
Best 5:00 of the video.
@@GPWise That was my first thought.
Made it even more funny that it occurred on a car that is actively trying to be sold haha
I work at a bmw dealer and I sold one of these, in the short trip to the petrol station to fuel it for a customer I was totally convinced that this is quietly amazing and was as good in that 5 minute drive as most other fast BMWs I’ve driven
Which one, the new or the old one?
Yeah, like all BMWs - cool to drive for 5 minutes, not to own lol
@@Uburwator🤣
@Uburwator not everyone is a broke kid like you
@@hassanger8128 you are right, I don't have a personal driver which will be managing all the service logistics when the car is broke and don't have an extra garage for a spare vehicle, what a pity. Why can't everybody be like you, one of the wealthiest and VIP people of the world who was so generous to spend time writing a comment to such a peasant like me *crying in mortgage language*
That beginning is just out of pocket 💀💀💀
Something came out of the pocket
@@gabrielhuntz4527 I was literally going to comment that bruh 💀💀💀
@@gabrielhuntz4527😂
The center compartment fiasco was so funny 😂 you guys' chemistry is perfect.
Came into this wondering why TH is posting a 28 min video but now I know and I loved every minute of it 😭
I rescued my '07 3.0si from a neglectful owner and only paid $200 for it. Cosmetically it was in fantastic shape but i needed to put the gamut of regular BMW repairs into it to make it drivable. I absolutely love that car and it's so great for weekend getaway trips.
That's a steal for $200
HOW MUCH?
@@_louis.se_ probably what it would have been had it not been neglected (coming from a fellow N52 owner with a 128i). My guess is that Z4 had a water pump and thermostat combo, and hopefully not the belt sucked into the front main seal (which happens when the oil filter housing gasket inevitably leaks onto the belt).
But indeed, I'd love to try a Z4, let alone the 3.0si, as that's 255hp and a higher redline than these older 3.0's. All the Z cars also have easier access to their rear two spark plugs than their sedan/coupe counterparts as well, with a longer hood and no cowl over the top of the engine.
“DSG , PDK, even… CVT🤕” but nothing works🤷🏾♂️😭😂
never prescribe CVT... it kills your soul
I love so much that they left the whole "can't open the storage compartment" footage in. That was awesome.
This is right up there with Hagerty and DriveTribe for the best car channels on RUclips. I absolutely love the presentation and comedic approach. You guys are awesome. Proud to see a Canadian channel get so far.
You guys are a brilliant team. Congratulations. This video is pure gold, from the intro that made me laugh out loud in the middle of a supermarket, to the center console moment doing it again😂😂😂.
Just congratulations to you all.
This is exactly why I love this channel. Incredible production quality, classic little stupid Throttle House skit, and on point hilarious jokes. Tbh kinda felt like even tho the previous videos have been good, there was a little bit of Throttle House magic missing, but this video is just the classic awesomeness from you guys. Really loved the video if you couldn't already tell :)
Its not funny anymore when it gets woke.
That's what I've kind of thought too, but now I've figured out what it is for me. It isn't a specific format, or any difference in editing. For me, having a more relaxed video driving relatively attainable cars feels much more natural for Thorttle Horse. Compared to something like the Z06 or a 296 GTB, these normie car vids are more relaxed and relatable. We know that those cars are great, but are too fast and lack some things. Most of the time, something like a golf R or, dare I say, an MX-5, has those missing qualities which make a true drivers car. The car which panders to drivers just feels more natural to have on Thorttle Horse.
Edit: after fully watching, I must say the compartment not opening really helps the mood
@@mr.2cents.846 Who are you talking to? Do you even know what that word means?
The intro was crazyyy
I know, dude on dude is crazyyy
Yes. In a BAD way.
@@mr.2cents.846lmao there you are again in the comments, snowflake. go pray on it.
CRAZIEST INTRO EVER NO WAAAAYYY 😅
One of the best kept secrets in the automotive world is the 2011+ Z4 35is. 335hp. Usually $20-25k USD. Would make for one hell of a second car.
Yup. Saw one when I went to pick up my f30, I'm going to find a low mile one when my kids have left school.
Less room and heavier than E85. More of a GT. If you want the pure driving experience, the E85 is the one to go. Try and find one with M seats. Hugely improves the experience
@beschuitfluiter Nah e89 is objectively better.
And IMO easier to keep on the road (as in maintenance).
These are lifestyle cars. There's much better roadsters out there for fun.
I'm so happy about the recognition and love that the 1st gen z4 is getting, such an amazing car even if the plastic interior inside cracks and falls apart at the lightest touch
That intro really rubs me the wrong way....
james must have felt that way too xd
You wish someone would rub you.....
money shift
I wasn’t ‘grabbed’ like James 😂
Ew, brother! Ew!
Man, I cracked my pants at 18:30-ish. It felt like a Family guy moment :)))
lol, I’m there now
The storage cubby bit - perfection, thanks for leaving it in 😂
This video brought me so much joy. You guys are doing what you were meant to do.
25:49 I love how unintentionally hilarious James’ asks his questions.
That got me too. "Have you ever gotten into pingPONG?" 😂
We say Ping-Pong.
James says pING-pONG.
You really pulled off that intro. True friends with benefits LOL!
it mighty sound crazy but i think the Z4 is the best looking BMW inside out at the moment .
That intro was crazy 😁
The back cupholder bit / storage console whatever it was , HAD ME DYING ALONG WITH YOU . James you slayed me with “lovely steering wheel” outta nowhere 😂😂😂😂😂
I was unsure about the G29's design until one evening three years ago I saw one in person in a beautiful silvery-beige metallic paint. It is one of maybe 3 BMWs you can get new that I don't consider to be crimes against car design.
When I was 18 I worked as a Jimmy John’s delivery driver in SoCal, had an 05 Z4. Driving that everyday, top down, blasting music with my car toys amp and subs, such a vibe ✌️
Thomas and James is so funny in every single intro 😂👍
This video singlehandedly upped Z4 sales by 25%
As an engineer who owns a 2004 BMW Z4 3.0 (manual), you guys were killing me trying to open the *LOCKED* center console!! I was literally yelling at you-begging you-to stop! I guess your abuse of the poor thing is a testament to how very secure the lock on that little storage space is. Props to BMW engineering…it’s Throttle House-proof!!😂😂😂
I've still got a Z4 coupe that I've owned for 15 years. Still a fantastic little car, and I'm loathe to switch it for something more modern, it still stands up today as a great sports car
E85 > E46
I don't care what the world thinks. I drove the first gen E85 Z4 and the S2K multiple times. And I will take that E85 Z4 every time. It was that damn good!
But then there's the E86....(my own personal shifter dream)!
I did. I haven’t had regrets. Well other than they have gotten really cheap.
Same. The E85 Z4 actually has torque compared to the S2K and the motor is much smoother. Seemed to handle a little better too
Richard Hammond agrees with you. So does torque.
I'm 6'5" / 1m94 so mx5 is a no go for me. S2000s are insanely expensive were I live so the E85 was the one for me. I actually fit
I own a 22 Z4 M40i fully spec’d. Absolutely love the car.
Best intro to date, and I love that you guys leave in the bloopers (Console not opening). This is what sets you apart! Throttle House is my favorite.
Speaking of bloopers, there just HAD to be bloopers for that intro. I would love to have seen that at the end of the video.
Big love for the OG Z4.. You missed a trick to not test the facelift'd Z4 3.0 with the newer N52, it takes it to a new level.
Great content, guys..!
4:43 “that rear end play” good one
So, he's not just about the shifting...?!😮
I always thought Thomas might be into that.
Extra sus episode 🤨
You beat me to it lol
Of course Thomas would like his rear end play, the little twink
You are definitely the best car journalists in the internet! Best since old Top Gear!!!
definitely
Was out driving a Z4 this morning, this was perfect!
I am so pleased that fucking with the storage in the old Z4 was not edited it out. It was fantastic.
Ohh my goodness lads 👏👏👏👏 How do you guys come up with these intros? 😂 Both of you work together like two peas in a pod on camera reviewing the vehicles and It's done with such humor and flow.
When it comes to the TopGear/GT lads, everyone seems to think it takes three presenters to have the right amount of chemistry, but I think that those people are wrong! As we see every week Thomas and James prove them wrong, that TopGear/GT chemistry can be done with only two presenters! Top work lads and God bless 🙌
bruh the full minute of them trying to get the center thing open 😂 then just " lovely steering wheel" 😂😂
The reason I know James and I would get along aside from a shared enthusiasm of cars is that he is enough of a fan of Carl Sagan to dedicate his license plate to the man. A kindred spirit indeed.
The older Z4 has aged very well.
Except for the front end looks.
@@mediocreman2E89 fixes that
The E85 was ahead of its time. Beautiful fun car that still keeps up with modern stuff, a mint example is not too expensive to buy, cheap to run, fairly reliable and can use it as a daily. I chose a manual one with the N52 2.5si instead of an mx-5 while shopping for a fun sports roadster and I don't think I'll ever sell it, I never imagined it was that good. Might consider getting the new manual M40i but I don't think I'm going to love it as much as the E85.
From the skit to the editing to the bit about the center storage. Fantastic film boys
Omg the storage compartment scene.... THIS is why we love you all so much!
ok, that intro was amazing
Don't forget that a few years later, the 3.0si trim replaced the M54 with the N52, which is lighter and more powerful with a broader torque curve! Haven't looked up prices on those recently, but probably not much more than the '03 reviewed here.
FINALLY new vs old z4 video. Was thinking the other day if you guys would ever do this
Old z4 is an incredible car
I love these reviews, very relatable and relevent! Keep it up!
I have always owned a NA/NB miatas and Z4s, I've had 1.6l and 1.8l miatas. Ive had both a 2005 2.5l z4 m54b25 and 2007 3.0si z4 with the n52 engine.
I recently got rid of my 07 z4 3.0si after putting 40k+ miles on it (130k on the ODO) to get a ND2 miata and have not looked back since. both my Z's have had the sport package (6spd manual, BMW recaro's, different suspension.)
I first got the z4 because I wanted a "faster" miata without stressing the engine or reducing reliability. BUT the suspension geometry is just different AND the weight difference is huge considering these are cars under 300hp. I eventually got rid of my miata and daily'd the z4's for a while, but I always kept chasing the feeling of miata. I put KW suspension, turner monoball LCA and RTA's, grippier tires, sway bars, and wheels but it still just wasn't a miata
-Barely any after market. You have to either use e46 parts or e90 parts depending on the year you get, but even then there are some specific parts that seem like it would work on a e46/e90 but doesn't work on the z4 due to certain minuscule differences in tolorances.
- NO LSD option unless you get the M
-Sport seats HURT HURT HURT, if you are anything under 180lbs and don't fill in the seats you will slide around on the leather(wish they had suede middle inserts, or a cloth sport seat option), the bolstering is so far out it doesn't really feel like its there.
-Did I say no LSD unless you get M or swap in a e46 M rearsubframe?
-if you get it to just to enjoy it in stock form then its fine how it is! but does lack a lot of potential in the aftermarket performance scene. ( if you make regular wages, and don't want to spend 6-8k on a supercharger kit that isn't carb legal or doesn't include labor)
- LOVED the M54 and N52 engine best engines ive ever had, they felt so athletic and I never felt bad for pushing them all day at an Autox or track session.
- OH DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE SHIFTER FEEL OF A BMW AFTER DRIVING A MIATA FOR SO MANY YEARS. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING could ever make a BMW shifter feel like a miata shifter.
TLDR: I love my z4's :D
The ND2 miata has a 6spd, lsd, RF TOP, 181hp, 2 seater, Huge aftermarket, no BMW tax. Plus I drove 2k miles around Oregon in 4 days, without ever being uncomfortable in the stock seats. ;)
if you are considering getting a e85 z4 03-08 I would get the facelift 06-08 with the n52 engine and 3.0si engine making 255~hp, I wouldn't worry about the sport package if you are looking to modify as the recaros are super heavy and electric. I would just get a more comfortable, better fitting aftermarket bucket seat like the recaro sportster GT. OEM suspension is nice, but upgrade to ohlins and it will feel more connected to the road and less thrashy, ALL OEM bushings are fine. if you are looking to get and LSD I would find a spare 2.5l diff with the shorter 3.46 gearing compared to the 3.23 that comes with the 3.0si, send it to differential shop and pop it in and forget about it. and your total will come out to about 20k-40k including the car depending on how you modified.
OR OR OR
get a ND2 miata w/ club package and forget about all the mods you did to the z4.
I have owned 7 different bmw z4 and only drove a miata for a few minutes
I enjoyed it and can imagine owning a miata beside my z
The most interesting thing for me is the playfullness of the miata, you can throw it in the turns and its tail is playfull and coming fast and controlable
With the z4 you kinda have too much grip, its alwAys so serious like you are chasing times
The way James said, "And I'm Jamesssss..." with that cheerful smile after the intro made me ponder... 🤔
I hope they dont forget they are married.
Ah the M54B30, my first car was an E39 530i with that engine. A sweet six that was pretty linear and didn't mind frequent trips to redline. Coupled to the automatic, it felt a little floppy, but it was the perfect amount of power for a 17 year old car enthusiast to toy around with.
My M54B30 is positive displacement supercharged with a whipple. It's seen lots of miles (MANY on track). It's a gem. Just needs love and a wallet. Neglect is never good for any motor.
Over my many years of purchasing BMWs I must say I prefer the older ones over the newer ones. I've always been a stickler for long-term reliability.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I could see that intro finale coming from a mile away... but y'all still pulled it out. Stroke of genius.
Thought u were clever huh? We saw what you did there😂
How do you guys do it? You keep coming up with funnier and funnier stuff all of the time!! Thank you! A happy subscriber.
I've been watching your videos for years, and that is without doubt the best intro yet!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Being a "Go manual or go home" Englishman, can't say I've ever done that what was done in the intro... 🤣🤣🤣
The z4 doesnt get the appreciation it deserves. I feel like it has the same reputation as the audi TT as a "hairdressers car" but the fact you can still get it in a manual shows its a really great enthusiast car
Hairdressers have great taste in cars ngl 💅
As a proud of owner of Z4, cruising and even racing it. I have to attest that these boys nailed it. It's underappreciated.
It’s mehh bordering on ugly looking (new one). And old one was slow and unreliable. Either make it good looking or make it interesting.
Hairdressers car.......never
@@guyrippon6085 you just dont know what you are talking about and obviously haver never driven one
Thank you for bringing good car videos to us. We lost top gear but eventually got savageeese and you guys and I finally feel like the torch has been passed on
This is the Z review I’ve been waiting for! You guys are the best!
There is nothing wrong with Thomas… shift away my man. Left foot salute 🫡 🦶
Had a black 3.0i Z4 in black with red interior ..... it was AWESOME !!!!
I had a Space Grey, 3.0i 2004 Z4 with the dream red interior. What a car!
@@brentdiez7012 my exact car ;)
Was about to hit my second like when you hit that manual on James
Old z4 is such a chill car. Brings me back to my vacation I had in Greece cruising around in it
The video had my crying laughing throughout. Yalls chemistry is unmatched keep it going as long as you can 💪🏾🙏🏾
I have an '06 3.0 Si and you guys were nicer to it than I would have thought. I'm not a huge fan of the steering, and many of my interior bits are also broken so no surprise you spent over a minute trying to open the storage bin. Thanks for the review, I've been looking forward to this new vs old.
There Is a guy near my home Who drives a z4 4 cylinder manual as a Daily. Its not the fanciest car, but damn It looks good
Oh man. I never thought as a grownass man, I could still laugh so hard when Thomas and James were struggling to open the center console storage. This was gold. Jim Carrey kinda moment.
"The Roadster...... For Men"
Z4 is the new Triumph CONFIRMED.
I remember when the 03 Z4 came out and I remember watching those Clive Owen BMW "movies." I was drooling over this car as a kid.
Thanks for the nostalgia guys, hadn't thought of Bangle or Flame surfacing in forever...what an era...that engine is soo smooth though
As a veteran of the most homoerotic branch of the United States military, that intro got me into gear. 😉
Semper Fi
Well the Marines are a department of the Navy. So, makes sense.
The e89 z4 is for me the most beautiful BMW cabrio ever made.
Achhem..Z8?
Guys, just make intros, we no more need car reviews😂
382hp in the Z4 is insane! ROCK ON!
I have the Z4M Coupe (s54 engine) and it's a honestly a game changing experience, nothing comes close without spending 5+ times the money. I daily a b58 but the s54 in that chassis is truly something special.
In the intro, that look on Jame's face, was immediately followed by the TH logo with, "Car Reviews Evolved." I am glad you do not take yourselves too seriously. Stay goofy. I appreciate your reviews.
Just bought a 3.0I 6 speed manual in black with red leather seats... Aux port, roof motor relocation to boot.... and BC Coilovers and some intake foam already removed.... all for £1800... I will never part with it... Just awesome for the money!!!
It feels so connected, simple and mechanical..... Will not be repeated..... AND looks brilliant now!!!
You'd pay 15k for the Z4M.... These people are being VERY dishonest here 😂 Trying to save face for the new one...
It actually shocked me to hear them say the price of the old one is 20k cos I was thinking they were like 2 or 3 grand here😂highest I've seen them is 10 I think.
@@Afraz_9n3 You can get the z4M at that price!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
They are being very dishonest and a bit too kind to the new one.... As a 3.0i in the Uk is anywhere from £2500 to £5k MAX!!!...
Mines was £1800 😂💨.. Basically a free car in comparison...
You got a steal! Great car. Welcome to the E85 enjoyment club.
@@milkforcoffee Thank you 😎❤💨
I recently bought off an action the same one, 3.0i 6speed manual in black but interior is light brown, 165k miles (265k km) for 2400 US dollars, runs almost like new, no mechanical issues (only wear on interiors) and I'm enjoying as my new daily drive. Best purchase ever.
A Z4 for $20k and 62,200 km (38,525 mi), what an opportunity for someone wanting a summer roadster for crushing some back country roads. I love the interior of the older Z4, it is clean, simple and driver focused. One thing I’ve learned through the years, take what journalists tell you with a grain of salt, RUclipsrs included (sorry guys). The average person will never have the opportunity to drive a plethora of cars like a journalists or RUclipsr, who I believe develop a twisted sense of what an average guy car should be. The new M40i dash is unnecessarily busy and the design is OK, I much prefer the older Z4. Bang for the buck, the Z4 is a bargain. If I was looking for a new roadster with a $100k+ budget, I’d be over at the Porsche dealership.
Wow can’t believe how much you New-Worlder ex-colonials have to pay for your used cars!
A nice 2003 3.0 is a £5,000 car here in the UK ($6250 US or $8,000 CAD). Which is even weirder when you appreciate we have to pay about 10% more for them when new…
And yes I recently bought a Boxster GTS over a M40i without much deliberation!
@@neilturner6749Great choice 🎉 congrats
@@neilturner6749I lived in the UK for a number of years and would agree. Cars in the UK depreciate much faster, for reasons I never quite understood. One difference I have found with Canadian cars vs US cars or even UK cars is the overall spec. When you are getting into a BMW, Porsche or Merc, the Canadian cars tend to have a lot more options on them. We have a smaller market with limited driving months and I think the higher specs are needed to encourage some buyers.
@@bluesky9093 it could be also because they are right hand drive so there is limited market for them in Europe. For example here in Poland there was some time that RHD cars were being imported because they were cheaper and even with the switch it was profitable. Although now we can register rhd cars so there is no need for the switch.
The old Z4 got a whole lot better than that 3.0. The 3.0iS, the M versions, and the Alpina Roadster were great. The M version even swapped the steering for hydraulic.
I love my Si, N52 makes perfect sense in this car, Alpina is cool but stupidly rare. M version is something I dream off
@Donax695 I had the M version until a few years ago and I regret selling it. I sort of rage quit the car after the hydraulics for the top failed twice in 8 months.
@@danielpope6498 That is understandable reason, I also had my own set of kinda regular but still annoying problems.
My mate recently bought an 07 3.0si manual coupe and it's amazing. Love the mix up of two different generations of bmws in terms of tech and interior bits. And the n52 is great for how light the car is, great fun car and I want one now
I really enjoy when you guys test affordable, or at least semi-affordable cars. Not a fan of the Bangle styling, but otherwise...really like the 2003 Z4.
I had the original Z4 for 5 years.
Two roof motors due to the water ingress.
Steering would become very heavy and notchy (very dangerous at high speed as it was so difficult to make minor adjustments) on hot days. I'm sure I read this was because of hydraulic fluid expanding- this video just taught me the steering was electric so now I have no idea what that issue was.
Dashboard rattled, roof squeaked constantly when it was folded. Passenger window would get stuck- again on hot days only.
Best car I ever owned 😆
Relocating the motor from the well to the trunk would’ve taken care of that problem.
Sticky steering… don’t have that, thank the powers that be! There are some solutions to that as well, but I only know of German shops that can solve that.
@@swedething I sold it 9 years ago so I'm not too worried but at the time I was told the steering column fix was about £2-£3k 😬
Water drains at rear have rubber covers that get clogged up with dirt remove them or clean once year no need to worry about relocating the motor 2 min job to clean
one roof motor for me thus far!
@@Carl-g5h Mine were replaced with the modified type but I'd recommend cleaning more often than once a year and that still might not be enough to stop that stupid plastic bag around the motor trapping moisture..
Last time I came this early, Thomas was shifting with my knob.
this is comedy gold
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damn that intro is one of the best from TH
That opening... I did not see that coming! Fantastic!
The best you have done a car review in a long time. Bravo