2025 BMW Z4 M40i vs The Cheapest Z4 You Can Buy
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The 2025 BMW Z4 M40i Manual ($77,450 USD, $100,000 CAD as tested) has come a long way since the 2003 BMW Z4 ($15,000 USD, $21,000 CAD) of yesteryear. It now has a new engine making more power, a slew of suspension and body-control upgrades, and all the features you would expect of a modern BMW interior. But with much of the same philosophy and plenty of available thrills, does the older Z4 prove the bargain of the century for roadster enthusiasts? Thomas and James are excited to find out! We hope you enjoy the episode. Subscribe!
Huge thank you to Leading Edge Motorcars for lending their Z4 3.0! www.lemc.ca/in...
Videography: Karston Chong and Daniel Mason
Editing: Daniel Mason
Sound: Harrison Dickson, Daniel Mason
Magical Genius Logistics Planners: James Engelsman and Joey Alford
Was present: Thomas Holland
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Now that’s a short shifter😂
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Underrated comment 😂
LOL!
😂😂😂😂
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I work at a bmw dealer and I sold one of these, in the short trip to the petrol station to fuel it for a customer I was totally convinced that this is quietly amazing and was as good in that 5 minute drive as most other fast BMWs I’ve driven
Which one, the new or the old one?
Yeah, like all BMWs - cool to drive for 5 minutes, not to own lol
@@Uburwator🤣
@Uburwator not everyone is a broke kid like you
@@hassanger8128 you are right, I don't have a personal driver which will be managing all the service logistics when the car is broke and don't have an extra garage for a spare vehicle, what a pity. Why can't everybody be like you, one of the wealthiest and VIP people of the world who was so generous to spend time writing a comment to such a peasant like me *crying in mortgage language*
That intro is bloody diabolical for ending like that. 😂
James going into 6th 🤣
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Intros with happy endings for the win!
I haven’t laughed like that in a while. This guys are crazy
I didn't see it coming... So to speak.
When I was a kid as a young car guy I always wanted a Z4. As a 30yr old now I wouldn’t say it’s my first choice but I do still love these cars
Same with me and the Pagani Zonda, then I grew up to find out how money works and how tough life can be... Ahhh what I'd give to be young and innocent again.
@@pkbeastthere's always something you can find that'll give you car joy for less budget
@@R03333 Oh yeah 100%. As a 35 year old, I have worked up to an R8. Totally a car for life and feel so blessed to get to this point. The R8, and the 350Z before it have given me pure unadulterated car joy for a tiny fraction of the cost of a Zonda. I was more talking about the naivety of 10 year old me thinking "That's SO cool, but looks expensive. Might have to work a bit harder and save a bit longer but I'll get that when I'm older." The world is your oyster mentality with zero concept of some things in life just simply being unobtainable.
I've owned quite a few V6 Coupé's, the Renault Laguna 3 3.5V6, Z4 3.0i, 350z, Lexus SC430, and the Alfa Romeo GTV V6, the Laguna and its sister thr 350z are pretty Average, with the Laguna being the better put together option if a bit down on power due to the detuned VQ, but it did have 4WS and a pretty spacious and high tech cabin for the time. The Lexus was rubbish, felt like you were sitting in Freddy Mercury's bedroom and drove badly, the BMW was dynamic but the Alfa topped the list for being the best all rounder, even by being FWD. The best buy right now would still be the Z4.
The Gen 2 was the most beautiful. Problem is it was so impractical I hardly ever drove it.
“600 pounds lighter. A number so significant, it has its own show on TLC”
Okay that caught me off guard. Hilarious.
I thought he was gonna say "a number so significant, it's almost as heavy as your mom." 😆
@@paintballplayer700throttle house has more class than to use ‘your mom’ lines
My 600-Lb Life 🤘
@@Tempsho nah, they don't shy away from crude jokes:).
I'm out of the loop, can someone ruin the joke for me?
25:49 I love how unintentionally hilarious James’ asks his questions.
That got me too. "Have you ever gotten into pingPONG?" 😂
We say Ping-Pong.
James says pING-pONG.
The minute and a half of James and Thomas collectively losing their minds over that center console took me all the way out.
I think they locked the doors during filming by accident. It won't open when it's locked. Or something got jammed
The fact that they deliberately left that in speaks VOLUMES of their character and I love everything about that choice
OG Top Gear vibes 😂
@@PigglyWigglyDeluxe Or just that they found it humorous.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872they are humorous characters. That’s my point.
The creative minds of two knucklehead car reviewer enthusiast is the greatest thing on RUclips. Thanks fellas keep the goofy stuff going along with your top shelf reviews.!
That beginning is just out of pocket 💀💀💀
Something came out of the pocket
@@gabrielhuntz4527 I was literally going to comment that bruh 💀💀💀
I owned the 2003 Z4 3.Oi 6-speed manual (I bought it used in 2005) and sold it in 2013. it was the best car I ever owned, I never had a single problem with it, I believe it was Chris Bangle's best design and still looks timeless. Thank you for the great episode.
Anders Warming designed it I think. I have a 2004 3.0L si auto in Sterling Grey with red upholstery.
The amount of time spent on that center console and the ensuing comedy while the failure was happening was absolute GOLD!!!😂😂😂
Bro i was laughing so hard i had to pause the vid just to breath
I almost spit out my coffee, and the scene just kept going. So glad they left that in.
This is exactly why I love this channel. Incredible production quality, classic little stupid Throttle House skit, and on point hilarious jokes. Tbh kinda felt like even tho the previous videos have been good, there was a little bit of Throttle House magic missing, but this video is just the classic awesomeness from you guys. Really loved the video if you couldn't already tell :)
Its not funny anymore when it gets woke.
That's what I've kind of thought too, but now I've figured out what it is for me. It isn't a specific format, or any difference in editing. For me, having a more relaxed video driving relatively attainable cars feels much more natural for Thorttle Horse. Compared to something like the Z06 or a 296 GTB, these normie car vids are more relaxed and relatable. We know that those cars are great, but are too fast and lack some things. Most of the time, something like a golf R or, dare I say, an MX-5, has those missing qualities which make a true drivers car. The car which panders to drivers just feels more natural to have on Thorttle Horse.
Edit: after fully watching, I must say the compartment not opening really helps the mood
Ok i didnt expect that intro
Was okay till the ungodly ending. 🤢🤮🤮🤮
This episode was hilarious. From the MX5 trash talk, to blowing up the engine, to the intro, to the hilarious inability to open the center bin.
The brojob, the center compartment, the ping pong idea....Another fantastic one.
Also you don't need indicators it's a BMW, hilarious!
The center compartment fiasco was so funny 😂 you guys' chemistry is perfect.
English shifting the Englishman is diabolical
Just bought a 3.0I 6 speed manual in black with red leather seats... Aux port, roof motor relocation to boot.... and BC Coilovers and some intake foam already removed.... all for £1800... I will never part with it... Just awesome for the money!!!
It feels so connected, simple and mechanical..... Will not be repeated..... AND looks brilliant now!!!
You'd pay 15k for the Z4M.... These people are being VERY dishonest here 😂 Trying to save face for the new one...
It actually shocked me to hear them say the price of the old one is 20k cos I was thinking they were like 2 or 3 grand here😂highest I've seen them is 10 I think.
@@Afraz_9n3 You can get the z4M at that price!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
They are being very dishonest and a bit too kind to the new one.... As a 3.0i in the Uk is anywhere from £2500 to £5k MAX!!!...
Mines was £1800 😂💨.. Basically a free car in comparison...
You got a steal! Great car. Welcome to the E85 enjoyment club.
@@milkforcoffee Thank you 😎❤💨
The center console refusing to open was comedy gold. Thank you for leaving all of that in.
"I'm not accepting this!" 🤣
Were the doors locked? 😉
Best 5:00 of the video.
@@GPWise That was my first thought.
Made it even more funny that it occurred on a car that is actively trying to be sold haha
Got my '03 Z4 4 years ago and still enjoy it to this day - fast enough, cool sound as well as a good shift action and handling make it an entertaining sports car 👌🏽
I enjoyed seeing it reviewed on the channel - greetings from Belgium 😁
“DSG , PDK, even… CVT🤕” but nothing works🤷🏾♂️😭😂
never prescribe CVT... it kills your soul
The way James said, "And I'm Jamesssss..." with that cheerful smile after the intro made me ponder... 🤔
I hope they dont forget they are married.
I can’t believe I get a detailed, well put together and entertaining car review for free along with that intro
They really are next level at this...Legit one of the very few channels, of ANY genre, that I instantly watch, and could watch nonstop over anything else.
Don't forget that a few years later, the 3.0si trim replaced the M54 with the N52, which is lighter and more powerful with a broader torque curve! Haven't looked up prices on those recently, but probably not much more than the '03 reviewed here.
That intro really rubs me the wrong way....
james must have felt that way too xd
You wish someone would rub you.....
money shift
I wasn’t ‘grabbed’ like James 😂
Ew, brother! Ew!
Came into this wondering why TH is posting a 28 min video but now I know and I loved every minute of it 😭
The intro was crazyyy
I know, dude on dude is crazyyy
Yes. In a BAD way.
@@mr.2cents.846lmao there you are again in the comments, snowflake. go pray on it.
One of the best kept secrets in the automotive world is the 2011+ Z4 35is. 335hp. Usually $20-25k USD. Would make for one hell of a second car.
CRAZIEST INTRO EVER NO WAAAAYYY 😅
You guys are a brilliant team. Congratulations. This video is pure gold, from the intro that made me laugh out loud in the middle of a supermarket, to the center console moment doing it again😂😂😂.
Just congratulations to you all.
I rescued my '07 3.0si from a neglectful owner and only paid $200 for it. Cosmetically it was in fantastic shape but i needed to put the gamut of regular BMW repairs into it to make it drivable. I absolutely love that car and it's so great for weekend getaway trips.
That's a steal for $200
HOW MUCH?
@@_louis.se_ probably what it would have been had it not been neglected (coming from a fellow N52 owner with a 128i). My guess is that Z4 had a water pump and thermostat combo, and hopefully not the belt sucked into the front main seal (which happens when the oil filter housing gasket inevitably leaks onto the belt).
But indeed, I'd love to try a Z4, let alone the 3.0si, as that's 255hp and a higher redline than these older 3.0's. All the Z cars also have easier access to their rear two spark plugs than their sedan/coupe counterparts as well, with a longer hood and no cowl over the top of the engine.
Over my many years of purchasing BMWs I must say I prefer the older ones over the newer ones. I've always been a stickler for long-term reliability.
I don't care what the world thinks. I drove the first gen E85 Z4 and the S2K multiple times. And I will take that E85 Z4 every time. It was that damn good!
But then there's the E86....(my own personal shifter dream)!
I did. I haven’t had regrets. Well other than they have gotten really cheap.
Same. The E85 Z4 actually has torque compared to the S2K and the motor is much smoother. Seemed to handle a little better too
Richard Hammond agrees with you. So does torque.
I'm 6'5" / 1m94 so mx5 is a no go for me. S2000s are insanely expensive were I live so the E85 was the one for me. I actually fit
The 2006-2008 LCI Z4 roadsters (e85) and Z4 coupes (e86) are the most raw analog Z4 model. The LCI version (2006-2008) of the Z4 e86 has an improved EPS for better steering feel compared to pre-LCI models. The 3.0si versions also get the lighter N52 engine (total weight of 2900 lbs) with 30 more HP (255hp).
I love so much that they left the whole "can't open the storage compartment" footage in. That was awesome.
Oh man. I never thought as a grownass man, I could still laugh so hard when Thomas and James were struggling to open the center console storage. This was gold. Jim Carrey kinda moment.
Man, I cracked my pants at 18:30-ish. It felt like a Family guy moment :)))
lol, I’m there now
video accidentally started mid video when I clicked open and I intentionally went to the begging to watch because they are usually witty and enjoyable. This one did not disappoint!
4:43 “that rear end play” good one
So, he's not just about the shifting...?!😮
I always thought Thomas might be into that.
Extra sus episode 🤨
You beat me to it lol
Of course Thomas would like his rear end play, the little twink
14:34 and that was back when BMW didn't foresake North Americans by not removing the amber rear turn signals, like they have been for the past 10-12 years or so.
Very honorable mention. Those were the good days
You really pulled off that intro. True friends with benefits LOL!
I really enjoy when you guys test affordable, or at least semi-affordable cars. Not a fan of the Bangle styling, but otherwise...really like the 2003 Z4.
The storage cubby bit - perfection, thanks for leaving it in 😂
The E85 was ahead of its time. Beautiful fun car that still keeps up with modern stuff, a mint example is not too expensive to buy, cheap to run, fairly reliable and can use it as a daily. I chose a manual one with the N52 2.5si instead of an mx-5 while shopping for a fun sports roadster and I don't think I'll ever sell it, I never imagined it was that good. Might consider getting the new manual M40i but I don't think I'm going to love it as much as the E85.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I could see that intro finale coming from a mile away... but y'all still pulled it out. Stroke of genius.
Thought u were clever huh? We saw what you did there😂
Thomas and James is so funny in every single intro 😂👍
Big love for the OG Z4.. You missed a trick to not test the facelift'd Z4 3.0 with the newer N52, it takes it to a new level.
Great content, guys..!
The older Z4 has aged very well.
Except for the front end looks.
@@mediocreman2E89 fixes that
Been looking into getting one because everyone overlooks them, now they’re gonna go up in price thanks guys 😢
I was unsure about the G29's design until one evening three years ago I saw one in person in a beautiful silvery-beige metallic paint. It is one of maybe 3 BMWs you can get new that I don't consider to be crimes against car design.
That used Z4 is easily the best looking generation. The lines are just so fluid and pleasant.
I own a 22 Z4 M40i fully spec’d. Absolutely love the car.
Those E85/86 Z4's are still some of the nicest looking, well built and fun cars in existence. For the money, there is nothing better. If there weren't so many of them, they would be worth a fortune! Each new generation enhances their appeal by making them look even better. The newest gen, what even is that?
bruh the full minute of them trying to get the center thing open 😂 then just " lovely steering wheel" 😂😂
Ohh my goodness lads 👏👏👏👏 How do you guys come up with these intros? 😂 Both of you work together like two peas in a pod on camera reviewing the vehicles and It's done with such humor and flow.
When it comes to the TopGear/GT lads, everyone seems to think it takes three presenters to have the right amount of chemistry, but I think that those people are wrong! As we see every week Thomas and James prove them wrong, that TopGear/GT chemistry can be done with only two presenters! Top work lads and God bless 🙌
I've still got a Z4 coupe that I've owned for 15 years. Still a fantastic little car, and I'm loathe to switch it for something more modern, it still stands up today as a great sports car
E85 > E46
This video brought me so much joy. You guys are doing what you were meant to do.
When I was 18 I worked as a Jimmy John’s delivery driver in SoCal, had an 05 Z4. Driving that everyday, top down, blasting music with my car toys amp and subs, such a vibe ✌️
it mighty sound crazy but i think the Z4 is the best looking BMW inside out at the moment .
That intro was crazy 😁
You are definitely the best car journalists in the internet! Best since old Top Gear!!!
definitely
I remember when the 03 Z4 came out and I remember watching those Clive Owen BMW "movies." I was drooling over this car as a kid.
Omg the storage compartment scene.... THIS is why we love you all so much!
This video singlehandedly upped Z4 sales by 25%
2:59 I hate the way that you walk, the way that you talk, i hate the way that you dress😭
I would kill for a Z4M Coupe Throttle House review.
A Z4 for $20k and 62,200 km (38,525 mi), what an opportunity for someone wanting a summer roadster for crushing some back country roads. I love the interior of the older Z4, it is clean, simple and driver focused. One thing I’ve learned through the years, take what journalists tell you with a grain of salt, RUclipsrs included (sorry guys). The average person will never have the opportunity to drive a plethora of cars like a journalists or RUclipsr, who I believe develop a twisted sense of what an average guy car should be. The new M40i dash is unnecessarily busy and the design is OK, I much prefer the older Z4. Bang for the buck, the Z4 is a bargain. If I was looking for a new roadster with a $100k+ budget, I’d be over at the Porsche dealership.
Wow can’t believe how much you New-Worlder ex-colonials have to pay for your used cars!
A nice 2003 3.0 is a £5,000 car here in the UK ($6250 US or $8,000 CAD). Which is even weirder when you appreciate we have to pay about 10% more for them when new…
And yes I recently bought a Boxster GTS over a M40i without much deliberation!
@@neilturner6749Great choice 🎉 congrats
@@neilturner6749I lived in the UK for a number of years and would agree. Cars in the UK depreciate much faster, for reasons I never quite understood. One difference I have found with Canadian cars vs US cars or even UK cars is the overall spec. When you are getting into a BMW, Porsche or Merc, the Canadian cars tend to have a lot more options on them. We have a smaller market with limited driving months and I think the higher specs are needed to encourage some buyers.
@@bluesky9093 it could be also because they are right hand drive so there is limited market for them in Europe. For example here in Poland there was some time that RHD cars were being imported because they were cheaper and even with the switch it was profitable. Although now we can register rhd cars so there is no need for the switch.
The e89 z4 is for me the most beautiful BMW cabrio ever made.
Achhem..Z8?
Being a "Go manual or go home" Englishman, can't say I've ever done that what was done in the intro... 🤣🤣🤣
I have to say, James in particular was brilliant in this
Edit: Both of you were brilliant in this
"The Roadster...... For Men"
Z4 is the new Triumph CONFIRMED.
Had a z4. Drove down the pch to Monterey California and back through Vegas. Best summer vacation ever.
The z4 doesnt get the appreciation it deserves. I feel like it has the same reputation as the audi TT as a "hairdressers car" but the fact you can still get it in a manual shows its a really great enthusiast car
Hairdressers have great taste in cars ngl 💅
As a proud of owner of Z4, cruising and even racing it. I have to attest that these boys nailed it. It's underappreciated.
It’s mehh bordering on ugly looking (new one). And old one was slow and unreliable. Either make it good looking or make it interesting.
Hairdressers car.......never
@@guyrippon6085 you just dont know what you are talking about and obviously haver never driven one
Best intro to date, and I love that you guys leave in the bloopers (Console not opening). This is what sets you apart! Throttle House is my favorite.
Speaking of bloopers, there just HAD to be bloopers for that intro. I would love to have seen that at the end of the video.
The reason I know James and I would get along aside from a shared enthusiasm of cars is that he is enough of a fan of Carl Sagan to dedicate his license plate to the man. A kindred spirit indeed.
I'm so happy about the recognition and love that the 1st gen z4 is getting, such an amazing car even if the plastic interior inside cracks and falls apart at the lightest touch
ok, that intro was amazing
How do you guys do it? You keep coming up with funnier and funnier stuff all of the time!! Thank you! A happy subscriber.
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From the skit to the editing to the bit about the center storage. Fantastic film boys
Was out driving a Z4 this morning, this was perfect!
FUCK YAH Z4 GETTIN SOME
LOVE! Got my E89 in 2019 and have absolutely adored it ever since. It’s my only car so I daily it, track out, have moved in and out of 5 apartments with it, and I’ll never ever sell it. Best car I could ever ask for and I’m excited to add the new generation in manual to my garage one day!!
28:26 Absolutely demolished me
The video had my crying laughing throughout. Yalls chemistry is unmatched keep it going as long as you can 💪🏾🙏🏾
There is nothing wrong with Thomas… shift away my man. Left foot salute 🫡 🦶
That B58 sounds a lot like my N55 with downpipes and a tune in my M235i
So far, this is my favorite episode. My ears are sore. I shared it with an actual girl. She agrees, this is quality .
Simply Groundbreaking
FINALLY new vs old z4 video. Was thinking the other day if you guys would ever do this
Old z4 is an incredible car
The old Z4 got a whole lot better than that 3.0. The 3.0iS, the M versions, and the Alpina Roadster were great. The M version even swapped the steering for hydraulic.
I love my Si, N52 makes perfect sense in this car, Alpina is cool but stupidly rare. M version is something I dream off
@Donax695 I had the M version until a few years ago and I regret selling it. I sort of rage quit the car after the hydraulics for the top failed twice in 8 months.
@@danielpope6498 That is understandable reason, I also had my own set of kinda regular but still annoying problems.
Part of why the steering CAN be good is relative light weight compared to the newer ones. But yes, it's tuning.
I've been watching your videos for years, and that is without doubt the best intro yet!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a tall person that cannot fit in toy roadsters, I will trade anyone some of my height for your ability to drive any car comfortably.
As a veteran of the most homoerotic branch of the United States military, that intro got me into gear. 😉
Semper Fi
Well the Marines are a department of the Navy. So, makes sense.
In the intro, that look on Jame's face, was immediately followed by the TH logo with, "Car Reviews Evolved." I am glad you do not take yourselves too seriously. Stay goofy. I appreciate your reviews.
This deserves way more views!
Had an ‘08 Z4M. The 3.0 here reminds me of how great it looked and felt. I prefer it’s visual design over the modern.
Ah the M54B30, my first car was an E39 530i with that engine. A sweet six that was pretty linear and didn't mind frequent trips to redline. Coupled to the automatic, it felt a little floppy, but it was the perfect amount of power for a 17 year old car enthusiast to toy around with.
My M54B30 is positive displacement supercharged with a whipple. It's seen lots of miles (MANY on track). It's a gem. Just needs love and a wallet. Neglect is never good for any motor.
Never been more envious of Thomas or anyone else than I was at 50 seconds into the video. #JamesIsHot
Old z4 is such a chill car. Brings me back to my vacation I had in Greece cruising around in it
Guys, just make intros, we no more need car reviews😂
That opening... I did not see that coming! Fantastic!