How To Keep The Dipole Open
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- It appears that many people are confused by my latest demonstrations and are requesting circuit diagrams and additional information. I thought providing this would help clarify things.
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I'm suggesting that we use something like a MOSFET to switch the path of a closed loop in a transformer. Imagine combining a regular earth battery, which has some electrical conductivity, with a solid-state cell that blocks electron flow but allows ion flow momentarily. By continuously switching the path, you can close the earth path and open the solid-state cell path. This way, you maintain pure electrostatic potential and achieve modulation, resulting in more energy output.
Earth batteries are fantastic, but to achieve an electrostatic effect with zero continuity, we need a different approach. Some people use water, gels, earth, or even skin as ion bridges, but these materials also provide an electrical path, which nullifies the open loop effect. If you're looking to run something like a Bedini motor with an earth battery stack, that's perfectly fine if it works for you. However, my focus right now is on this new method.
By mixing and matching both approaches, you could use a switch to pulse a temporary earth battery path and then switch to the solid-state cell path. You’re likely to notice some very interesting interactions!
Thank you for your patience and explaining it for dummies.
God bless you. 😇
I have to say I come up with many interesting ideas and concepts but this has got to be one of the most important ones so far! It opens up many avenues of explorations with systems we didn't think was accessible to us. 😁
Hi. I have to say I realy like you channel. In this case I am afraid you are mistaken. Adding your cells to the battery system doesn't make your system completaly open. As long as there are some water molecules traped in that "dry" cell, there is a flow of current. It acts just like resistor. Static electricity doesn't bother about resistors. If you add some Mohm resistor in series to your setup and you will observe your LED more dimmed it means you are not experiencing static electricity. Try and see. Kepp posting.
I'm afraid there is more that meets the eye here. Thanks for the input but I don't agree.
@@joellagace1679 Just a quote of ChatGPT - " In solid electrolytes, current passes through via the movement of ions rather than electrons. " - conclusion- there is a flow of current. As you was talking about the potentials and static electricity ( which I don't think it is) I performed a test yesterday. I made an PET electret - considering it as a polarised valve for your static electricity open circuit. The result? As no salt present -> no current flow -> no work at all. The sult is the key, and where is the salt and two different metals there is a cell and there is a current flow. How much of current it depends on internal resistance of the cell.
@Someone-A3Just making sort of Hutchinson battery. Epson, Borax, baking soda, galena, pyrit, .. :)
This is nothing like that with the peg cells.
So interesting man i just ordered some peg to try it. Many thanks for the information man .
Thank you Joel! Great as usual!
Hey Joel, cool video, i would love to know what you were going to say towards the end of your video?? Thanks
Amazing. BRAVO,Joel. 👏Nice day.
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Thank you so much. I thought I correctly understood the past few videos, but I hadn’t. With the diagram I see the real significance, this is a new kind of electronic component that lets us truly create an open loop dipole.
Yes that's correct.
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Yeah, I want to know!! LOL. You have shown us the key to unlimited energy. I have been working with potentials for over 15 years, and have used the principal to run an inverter between the output of the solar controller and the charge batteries, recovering in the batteries the majority of the energy that goes through the inverter. It allows you to run on the inverter during the day while STILL charging the batteries, which makes sure your batteries are charged and ready for the night. But what you just showed......!!!!!
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Yeah but share these videos or the world will never know. Sure we are about 2k here but globally its more of an echo chamber, We know, but we need to let the world know. :)
@@joellagace1679 I posted about how to run between the positives on Energetic Forum for YEARS, and was called a liar and a fraud. Robert French (who posted here) ran a small cabin using the inverter between his solar panels and his battery bank to extend the performance of his solar system. I built WORKING Tesla Switches based on the work of Benitez and OTHERS (who are around today). I am actually working on a BIG one right now with ALL the switching done mechanically by two solenoids. I finally had my thread on Energetic Forum closed because I got SO TIRED of arguing with people about what is possible. I posted DOZENS of videos. I haven't contributed there in some time now. People interested in the Tesla switch should know that it is NOT the switch that is "magic," it is the LOAD. There are FOUR devices you can run between the positives that run on the movement of "energy" from a high potential to a low potential, allowing you to recover MUCH of it, while ALSO creating usable energy to make up for losses in the system (and MORE). Boost modules, buck modules, inverters and (pulsed) transformers Decide which is the MOST efficient and figure out how to use it. What you have shown eliminates the need for ANY of that.
You said there was something too dangerous to show. Would you be willing to share? dvd.bowling@gmail.com. Do you have a "formula" for the combination of Polyethylene Glycol 3350 and polymer gel beads (ratio) that you have seen success with, and a suggestion for the material used in the anode and cathode? I realize the proper combination of Polyethylene Glycol 3350 and polymer gel beads is a work in progress, but a starting ratio would be nice to know. I am researching home made batteries to see what off the shelf thing folks are using for anodes and cathodes, but I thought you might have a suggestion. I have ordered my Polyethylene Glycol 3350 and polymer gel beads, and will report back when I get something working.
@@joellagace1679 For nearly 15 years I posted on Energetic Forum under the name Turion, sharing videos of my experiments and circuit diagrams. I was called a liar, fraud and con man for my time and trouble. Bob French, who posted here, used what I described on the solar system at his cabin, and he can attest to the FACTS. I have built Tesla switches based on the work of Benitez and OTHERS who are still around, and it is not ONLY the actual switch that is "magical" but the LOAD. Several devices will run on the movement of energy from a high potential to a low potential (so MUCH of it can be recovered) and ALSO produce energy OUTPUT of their own. Inverters, buck modules, boost modules, (pulsed) transformers, and motors (mechanical output that MUST be used to produce additional power, like turning a lenz neutral generator) are the magical devices. All off the shelf. Here are two videos. The first is a simple battery charging circuit I was showing to a friend who understood the system. The second is a schematic of that circuit since I didn't need to show it in the first video because I made that video for a friend who KNEW the circuit. The boost module is running between the positives, so much of the energy used to run it is recovered in the charge battery. It outputs energy and between it and the charge battery I run a motor. So the energy used to run the motor was used TWICE. Could it be used a third time or a fourth or fifth? As long as the energy is flowing downhill from a high potential to a low potential, you can run loads between. How many dams can you put on a river? Ask the COLORADO river about that. ruclips.net/video/iAZEBju1WkQ/видео.html ruclips.net/user/shortsD8957Dz57ms?si=TqPa-zOFXx61R3FQ What YOU have given us is a SOURCE for the river. What we do with that is up to us. Than you. Thank you. Thank you
Yep if you search they have bashing post about my work and call me a scam and I tried many times to register and try to defend myself but the admins never approve my account LOL, It was never a good start with the original Bedini group. They all see me as a kind of intruder or outsider. It's silly. Another one that is on his own now Rick also got pissy with me lol
Instead of chemical cells, why not solar cells?
why not indeed if you want to give it a go.
Awesome, Joel. Got it! I will be making this ASAP. I am out of the US for a week, but I will report back to you when I get it working. THANKS!
Hello, Joel. This is Bob French. I posted a comment to you yesterday, but now I can't find it...even after going to each of your videos to see if I had posted it on one of them. Anyways, here again I would like to say that, my friend, Dave Bowling and I are preparing to make the Quantum Power Cells and see what they can do. Dave told me about your channel and mentioned to you that I lived off-grid in TN in a cabin that I designed and built of 2" Poly-Iso insulation and some lumber and ran a solar system running the 24v positive of the panels to the positive input of an inverter, the negative input of the inverter to the positive of the charge battery bank and tied the negative of the battery bank back to the negative of the solar. I have a few question about them:
1) You told Dave that you were getting 20mA. Is that per cell or tray of cells? At what battery voltage was that...one 9v battery?
2) What determines the amount of displacement current? Is it the surface area of the electrode plates? Does the amount of the mixture matter?
3) What should the electrode plates be...can copper and magnesium work?
4) It looks as if we can run as many of these cells off of one battery source as we want. Is that right?
5) I built quite a few of John's alum batteries and ran an energizer with them. John used copper for the positive and heat treated it and quenched it in Borax in order to turn it into a diode. I guess there's no need for that, as we aren't moving real current with the cell.
Thanks for all of the great things that you are sharing Joel,
Bob
@@robertfrench3167 Good questions I'm also interested in.
20ma for the huge 3 feet pipe cell its not worth the size ratio imo. It's best to make smaller cells, the voltage hardly increases. It all makes a difference plate surface and all that but with my experiments a cell the size of a penny vs a 6 inch pipe has maybe 200mv more. If you really want current its best to put a bunch of identical small PEG cells in parallel, This is not a high current thing and the John cells put out a significant larger amount of current. This is a whole other thing. But similar. Seems like they are better at using to keep the dipole open like I been demonstrating in my latest videos. But if you want to just experiment with the cells as is as power cells, they have interesting properties like they act like low level electrets, they can be temp conditioned. and re-conditioned for a higher potential output. Best seems to be conductive carbon and magnesium, next in line I found was copper and aluminum.
@@joellagace1679 I tried to find out why Magnesium and Carbon. I believe it has something to do with the electronegativity. Carbon has 2.55 and Magnesium 1.31. There is a difference of 1.24. I guess this big difference makes a different potential on each of the electrodes. And Polyethylene glycol 3350 in between prevents the equalization of this two.
Aluminum has 1.61. The difference between Carbon would be 0.94. And the difference between copper (1.90) would be 0.65. If my theory is correct then Magnesium and Carbon is indeed the best choice because the difference of the electronegativity is the highest.
@@joellagace1679 Thank you for the info. Today I finally found one of my posts and your replies. Today, also, I picked up my PEG and gel beads in the States, so I have been soaking the beads, adding water and watching them grow in size, cutting my electrodes and sanding them. I will put my first cell together very soon this afternoon. Thanks again for you research and suggestions. i will report back. Take care.
Do you have the RUclips link on how to make the peg cells? I would like to try and make some. Thanks.
yes the videos are all on my youtube channel playlist called power cells.
Thanks,
It is very good
Clearly explained
Hi Joel I am curious which cell you finally used since you made several variations?
Just reg peg cells work. nothing else, maybe polymer gel beads, optional. just dried up PEG.
@@joellagace1679 thanks
Seems like blocking the loop is the cornerstone for TT Brown's asymetric thrust replication as well.
But can we replace the 9v batteries with a electrostatic generator that delivers high voltages, or do we have to stack batteries in series?
How many batteries can be stacked per cell? What is the optimum ratio?
Lots of questions, You are moving far ahead of me :)
@@joellagace1679 Hardly moving, alas. Asking questions is the only thing left for me. But very interested in this working out as a solution to constant grid failures.
SO after playing with this for most of the day today, Here is what appears to me to be happening, and I could be all wrong. I think I have proved that already. The PEG seems to be a weak battery. If I measure across a regular battery I get the same Ohms reading as across the PEG. That's "0". And I get 1.4 volts as a voltage reading on the PEG as a stand alone battery. If you put batteries in series you get cumulative voltage but ONLY THE AMPS OF THE LOWEST BATTERY. SO when I put 10 batteries in series with the PEG I get 120 volts, but no amps. WHO CARES. This gives me a high voltage source that can provide voltage virtually forever. If I know what to do with it, like send it through spark gaps to multiply it, fire coils with it that will collapse producing a high voltage spike, send it through coils to create magnetic fields, run through primaries of transformers to lower potentials and collect the secondary output. We know all the ways to use this "source" to create energy.
You should be able to read ohms on a battery, It should be just a few ohms. Some meters play nicer then others and its not really designed to measure ohms of a power output as well so don't do it for very long.
ill post my video tonight joel i think you should see ive put together some of my geo cells i used to experiment with... and i just happened to notice the affects you described and some more. what im calling my solid state ion accelerator i need to make many more samples to crunch out some variables so i can figure how to improve the affect im seeing but its more than fascinating hopefully you will think so too my cells seem to increase conductivity of my batteries when hooked in series with them a crazy phenomena to say the least. i wonder if your cells do the same
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Its been posted
@@calcoin4199 can you please provide a link. Thank you.
i guess you keep the dipole by capturing its inverted polarity ?
If that's the technical term for what I'm doing, then yes, I'm essentially keeping a DC path blocked at all times from the normal cells. The normal series cells function as an artificial additional electrostatic potential on one side,And completes the electrical path of the peg cell energy to one side of the load. effectively acting as the entire electrode of the circuit. This makes the PEG cell, acting as a single unit, exhibit a higher potential. So not a normal closed loop series DC configuration but it does exhibit many similarities like stacking up the potentials.
In other words instead of needing to build 1000 or more PEG cells to get a huge Zamboni like electrostatic HV discharge. You can just stack up regular power cells to the desired "dump" voltage levels don't close the loop, make sure one of the well isolated at DC PEG power cells, on one side of the series cells. So you get your HV cap dump charging with pure electrostatic. the peg cells acts as a sort of ion valve. Hold the electron flow back so there is no return path to the regular DC series in the loop.
@@joellagace1679 thats smart. what resistance level ? 10k 1M . current is converted to volts so by letting in very little current it takes longer to convert to volts in the CAP , i still like the switch dump better like from an inductor to cap (no swatch just rectifier) then to another inductor via switch for HV flyback then rectify the flyback to storage or even real time drive , using the HV to capture is most efficient . I guess i cannot visualize making volts without current even if its 1 micro amp
@@joellagace1679 If I understand this correct it would be possible to charge up 2 or more caps at the same time. Then dump it a thousand times per second with one or more 1000uf caps. The voltage is always up again. Then we would have 1 amp per second with let's say 100 Volts = 100 Watts.
Just wanted to show how little I understood, even though I watched your videos. The cell works though!! ruclips.net/video/Jw_h7IfOZhg/видео.html
@Someone-A3 Vodeo: ruclips.net/video/RidBVNfZ74U/видео.html
10:30 ther is some electromagnetic on the surface of the wire when there is flow or vibration. you can amplify the magnetic field caused by the wire vibration by coiling the wire you compress the magnetic field and by placing iron in the center of the coil you further amplify the magnetic field , Dr Holcomb from Holcomb Energy Systems did a perfect example with a coil wrapped around a piece of plastic and a coil wrapped around a piece of iron . mOST OF US DONT NEED TO SEE that example to get the demonstration
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@@joellagace1679 resistance creates voltage drop on the source the higher the resistance the less voltage drop
That's very interesting Joel. Would it also work With this concept getting all peg cells in parallel and all normal cells in series? To Increase the current but still keeping the dipole open 🤔?
Good idea.
Technically speaking, the electrostatic displacement within the internal cell generates around 1 milliamp, appearing as real DC to the external load, despite the absence of internal electrical flow. This is a unique type of current manifesting across the electrical load due to the ions and electrostatic actions inside the peg cell. We refer to it as zero current because it is nearly zero. By stacking multiple peg cells in parallel, the internal displacement current increases and continues to function as the 'filter' you mentioned. Traditional series cells will still lack a conventional closed return path. This configuration allows for a higher potential to charge a dumping capacitor in half the time, or even less, compared to using a single peg cell. It's an intriguing concept worth exploring, in my opinion.
If he wants to try it. May as well give it a go.
Hi joel What size should we make the peg call
The little cupcakes size like I experiment with should be fine. The bigger the cells the more potentials but at some point it's not worth the size ratio :) imo
Yeah i think i got a little excited because this thing reminds me of the tesla switch and the splitting the positive. Same concept but much simpler. I love the thought behind it because it's probably the closest thing to a real form of "free" energy that we have sitting in front of us that is accessible for all. It didn't occur to me at the time for whatever reason but idk why i thought i could do it with two regular batteries.
It definitely works with my cell though which has no continuity and no current. Goes right into a cap.
Have you tried pairing it with a voltage multiplier yet?
This is DC
@@joellagace1679🤦♂️ I really need to lay off the weed
lol well if you can get it to somehow power a small joule thief that dumps at AC/pulsed once it reaches a start trigger from a continuously charging cap, charging with the peg/series cells setup. But now I'm getting ahead of myself :)
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12:35 the cell regulates the current flow cause its the minimum current flower , the 9 volt maximizes that regulated current , so the cell can push lets say 20ma but its not pushing 20ma today , so the 9v will make sure it always performs the 20ma
The most important part is the ion-valve I guess. I will build just one small power cell and I get around 1 Volt potential difference. The rest of the voltage I try to bring up otherwise (stack up 12v-cells...). Then I have 100 Volts for example. And with this 100 Volts I can make as many cap dumps as I want. Is it really that easy?
Seems like you are getting the drift of it :)
All that HV high frequency spark gap tuning resonance Don Smith etc, Is just all icing on the cake. They started showing off the more complex stuff keeping the core of it all more "secret"
@@joellagace1679 Hmmmmmm, do they really hide something? That makes me think.
Just an idea to increase the voltage. The PEG-Lagace-circuit has for example 100 Volts and there are 2 caps but just 1 cap is connected in the circuit at a time. At 100V a MOSFET triggers from C1 to C2 and the circuit is closed with C2. C2 gets charged up to 100 Volts. C1 and C2 are connected in series and they have each 100 Volts at that time. The cap dump connected to the caps C1 and C2 in series gets activated at 200 Volts. And the circuit is closed with C1 again.
Does this somehow make sense?
It could, As you see there are almost unlimited more complex possibilities that can very well indeed triple and beyond the basic efficiency of the effect.
@@joellagace1679 Thanks a lot to answer. Probably it could be done with scr and a 100V-LED. When C1 is at 100 Volts the LED triggers the scr from C1 to C2. And at the cap dump is a 200V-LED that triggers via a second scr the cap-dump and it's back to C1.
This is really interesting now ❤
On my deionised water cells I have no voltage drop up to 100k ohms per cell … with this high resistance i wonder from where i get the voltage … there is no amps I can measure with my instruments, but if i stack together in series to raise voltage I can lit up LEDs (many !). Also, can charge instantly capacitors.
I may try later to stick the electrodes in a compound like your PEG to check if i can get same results.
But, what you show here is by far more than many will see, I have to check out myself.
Yeah I'm trying to get everyone to see it but based on some of the comments no negative intent, can tell the main message is not resonating here. But about half get it and i'm not sure how to word it any differently what this means at this point.
@@joellagace1679 I am about to record video where i am using enamelled copper wire and tarnish proof aluminium wire in deionised water … this will allow to prevent galvanic reaction and reduce distance between electrodes to the thickness of enamel … pretty much close to PEG that you use … I have checked and I really want to show it.
I will try to use 100k ohms resistor as load.
How you propose to check batteries charging in the same time with capacitors ? I was about to start building a large battery pack based on my setup but know after you show this I may not need to do it anymore 🤨 I may redirect money for something else I want to build if this works.
And yes, it is difficult to find the right words 🧐
Just note that if you use water it will create closed loop path. You will stack up like a traditional series cell if that's your goal then your good to go.
@@joellagace1679 🤣 it seems that you are concerned about water … actually it can work without water give me 30 minutes to record and you can see i can replace water with just my dry skin finger and get same voltage or even slightly higher.
And as far as I am aware deionised water shouldn’t conduct electricity more than PEG you use … but cost wise is much cheaper.
I'm not arguing the galvanic like effect here with water etc, yes you can use your hands but thats not the goal for this project. the PEG does not conduct any electricity that's the point of using it as an ion valve, Doing it your way It won't have the same isolating effects, But nothing stops you from using it as a regular series cell DC setup and im not arguing your claim it will work just fine as that.
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