Qui Gon Jinn Was the Key To EVERYTHING
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- Опубликовано: 13 фев 2023
- What if Qui Gon Jinn survived his duel with Darth Maul? How would that have changed the course of galactic history?
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If Qui-Gon had survived Naboo, Palpatine probably would have to try to kill him before the Clone Wars for all the reasons you laid out. He might even have to personally do the deed since he couldn't use Dooku or even risk him finding out without losing his apprentice.
Totally agree. Qui Gon was probably the biggest threat to Palatine's plans. Too much of a loose cannon that wouldn't go along with the establishment. He was beholden only to the will of the force.
It's fun y you mention that, the short story I'm reading currently is about Maul facing down a Sith Apparition of Qui Gon, in an attempt to acquire an artifact he needed for his plan. He mentioned about how even if Qui Gon defeated Maul, that Qui-Gon would've been killed by Sidious, either directly or otherwise. I just think that Sifo-Dyas and Qui-Gon would've shifted places.
But what about Count Dooku? If palpatine kills Qui-Gon, Dooku wouldn't have sided with him. Of course Dooku having doubt about the jedi but Qui-Gon is important to him and it took Qui-Gon dying to turn Dooku.
@@byrussscott2563 yes but if Qui Gon was killed by Palpy I don't think that Palpy wouldn't be discovered or that Palpy would have succeded in turning Anakin. I don't actually believe that Palpy would be able to kill Qui Gon Jin by other means than himself and even if Qui Gon Jin and Palpy fought each other I am not sure who would win in the end-Palpy had a deep fear and hatred of Qui Gon Jin-because he saw in him the possible future where his plans would fail and the jedi order woud have become more free and caring organization, also Qui Gon was unpredictable for Palpy since he wasn't thinking or acting like normal jedi would so in a possible fight to the death I actually think that Palpatine woulf have lost the battle and that Qui Gon Jin would have won, albeit heavily scared/injured from it....
@@krystalcz9251 I don't think Palpatine has hatred or fear for Qui-Gon cause Qui-Gon is a necessity for Count Dooku for him to the dark side. Palpatine needed Dooku who has distrust for both the jedi and the republic, so that's why he stage the whole thing from the occupation of naboo to being selected as new chancellor. For his plans to work needed Qui-Gon to die because he is the only one who kept Dooku turning, that's why he sent Darth Maul.
Qui-gon Ginn is the type of Jedi that faded out thousands of years before the prequels and has resurfaced again.
Sadly it was too little, too late. The narrow-minded ego of the council had already taken hold of the entire Order. Qui-Gon represented a true path, one the council rarely agreed with because they usually thought themselves to be the ones to know best of all.
Qui-Gon had a very specific set of skills. Skills he had acquired over a very long career. Skills that would have made him the perfect master for Anakin.
Nice😂
He will find him...and he will train him.
Never steal Qui Gon's gin.
“The ability to speak does not make you intelligent” 😂
@@revan629 "Whenever you gamble my friend, eventually you'll lose"
"Have you finally learned to do what is necessary?"
-Qui-Gon Jinn
Qui-gon was THE person for Anakin's growth. It was too bad that before Qui-gon had the chance to "repair" Anakin he was killed. He seemed like the only person to care about his situation, to put in the effort and Anakin's mind would've been at ease if he knew that his mother was also in a stable environment. Anakin needed a father figure and a mentor. Qui gon was both. Sure obi wan was a mentor but never really corrected Anakin outside of admitting distaste for his actions and finger wagging. In the end obi wan was his brother when Anakin needed a father to be that positive influence during his childhood.
Now I want to see a "Star Wars What-If" show based on Qui-Gon surviving. Qui-Gon and Anikan training Ahsoka during The Clone Wars. Qui-Gon might have encouraged Obi-Wan to leave the Order to be with Satine on Mandalore where Obi-Wan could be happy and protect peace to that sector.
YESSS
4:32 “Your focus determines your reality.” I don’t know why but just hearing Qui Gon Jinn say these words just hit different than when I first heard him say this way back in movies theaters in 1999.
He's a Jedi with a very particular set of skills
Seems like Qui Gon was the primary target of Palpatine. His training of Sith was brutal (what he did to Maul) and the fact that Qui Gon was Dooku's apprentice this was a blow to him along with setting forth on his endeavours and agenda with Anakin. Palpatine always seemed to want the people under him in a state of pain, to bring out the emotions needed to bring out the dark side in them but also keep them under control.
Dooku realized he strayed from the right path, and wanted Qui GOn around to get him back to bringing a better galaxy. He was right, and the republic was corrupt, but he tried to use Palpatine thinking he can outsmart him. He was wrong. Remember , there was a group of Jedi that knew the Republic was corrupt and so was the Jedis. Dooku, Qui gon, Anakin, Asohka, and the red headed guy who is going to have another video game has characteristic of a Gray Jedi. Oh and mAce windu.
Frankly there are too many people had input in Star wars, and there is a lack of direction, and this was from the beginning. There was a battle from the beginning with Lucas and his staff, but his staff has more say back then and was better quality. His wife actually saved star wars from Lucas. That is why the tone is totally different in the prequels.
The thing is, the force is based on Taoism, but Lucas wants evil, and distorted the dark side to represent evil. Others who work on Star wars try to make it follow more of taoism.
That is why you have inconsistent view of the dark side. I go by Qui gon Jin, that we need balance.
7:40 I see what you did there.
I remember you once compared Qui Gon to David Bowie as a "rockstar who unlocked the secrets of the universe but who you wouldn't give the responsability of caring for a child to" and that was genius.
I love Qui Gon Jinn. Over all the other Force welders. I truly believe he was the best the Jedi could be.
This was a very good video, and great explanation of his ability and what he was capable of. And his galaxy wide importance.
That's why he's up there with Luke as one of my favorite Jedi.
@@Keycil My very short list of the best Jedi is tight. But Luke is up there next to Gui Gon to.
@@Keycil feel like 3. Anakin qwi and Luke. ( knowledge love )
That's why "Duel of the Fates" is playing when Qui-Gon is dueling Maul.
With Anakin’s mother safe on Coruscant it would have even more anchored his devotion to the Jedi and the Republic knowing that his actions were keeping his mother safe
Nah it would have been worse . Palpatine would have just had her killed right under the nose of the Jedi
@@rexlevitak1 Agreed, Naboo would have been a far better place for her.
@@GoranXII Or Alderaan, before it's explosive makeover
@@generaljimmies3429 Probably more Naboo, since, you know, the queen (or one of her handmaidens, depending on how you want to play it) can vouch for her character.
No it would not. It would have given him even more attachment issues which is the real reason he fell. Not the Jedi order, not because of palpatine, not even because of qui gonn dying. He fell to the dark side because he refused to follow the rules like every other Jedi and he let his feelings and attachments control him
Alan, this was a GREAT article. I think you got this 100% right. Have you ever thought about whether dolphines and other aliens are the true Dark Side?
The Dark Side is corruption. How are dolphins inherently corrupted?
I remember that the novel Master and Apprentice explained that Obi-Wan became the prototypical Jedi because that was contrary to Qui-Gon. Kenobi was placed with Jinn specifically because the Masters at the Temple hoped that Obi-Wan's rebelliousness would react to Jinn's unorthodox practices by becoming ultra Orthodox, and the plan largely worked.
I feel it would take a little longer for Obi-Wan to be properly knighted. One of the Jedi Trials was the Trial of the Flesh, which was waived due to Qui-Gon’s death meeting the requirements for it
Star wars needs a what if series so badly, there is alot of potential with a series like that. Given what we know happens throughout the movies an shows, seeing what would happen if things played out a different way could produce some epic stories.
There was a series in the EU under the dark horse comics label.
wish granted. The sequel trilogy is now a what if series. your welcome.
@@slewone4905 That will only happen if Disney goes bankrupt and some other large corporation buys the rights. A feat even COVID and Governor DeSantis could not accomplish.
I remember someone mentioned that the fight between Darth Maul, Obi Wan and Qui-Gon was called "Duel of Fates" because it was the deciding factor(or a large part) of Anakin's future. When Qui-Gon died his fate was practically sealed.
Alan, you have some of the best Star Wars content… above every one. I look forward to it
I knew Qui-Gon Jinn was different and special from the FIRST TIME I watched The Phantom Menace, back when I was 8 years old.
Something about him just made me _really_ attached to him, made me really respect him, care for him, want to listen to him!
_His death and funeral still remain _*_the saddest_*_ moment in Star Wars history for me. Even more than Vader's death in Return of the Jedi, or the Jedi's and Padmé's during Revenge of the Sith._
Qui-gon jinn: "nothing happens by accident."
Also qui-gon: "finding him was the will of the force."
How Obi wan talks like HE thought he could instruct Aniken as well as You'd and he was Amazed . And he said the boy dangerous so he wasn't wrong he was right
What if Qui Gon accepted to sit on the Jedi Council ?
Compassion, which Anakin said was "central to a Jedi's life," eroded among the Jedi Order, especially during the Clone Wars. For every Qui-Gon, Anakin, Ahsoka, or Obi-Wan, there were 10 of Mace Windu or Ki-Adi Mundi.
I love your perspective, and you make me look at the star wars in much deeper way. Thank you!
Qui Gon Jinn also knew he need to go back for the mom to stop the worry in the boy.
"But I know the rage that drives you. That impossible anger strangling the grief, until the memory of your loved one is just... poison in your veins.
And one day, you catch yourself wishing the person you loved had never existed, so you would be spared your pain."
Where did that come from
Sidious feared Qui-Gon more than any other Jedi. Not only was he actually doing the job the Jedi were supposed to be doing, but he was the ONLY Jedi who was starting to catch onto him. If he lived, he would’ve kept digging until he learned the truth.
If he was still alive, Dooku would ot have fallen. Dooku was trying to use both sides to win, and thought he could outsmart palpatine. He knew Qui gon would of kept him in check form doing some of the mistakes he did.
Qui Gon is one of the main reasons Episode 1 is my favorite Prequel movie.
To make a true Jedi Martini, you gotta use Qui-Gon Gin
Remember, Obi-wan was a freshly minted Jedi Knight, barely more than a padewan himself, now he's expected to train the chosen one. Its a credit to his ability and temperament that he did as well as he did.
one of my many frustrations with the Jedi council Windoo and Yoda included, if Anakin were so powerful, why were they willing to let him be on the outside as a loose canon?
It's interesting to note that while young Obi-wan was very by the book, as he grew older the unorthdox ways of his master Qui-Gon, as well as his own apprentice Anakin rubbed off on him substantially.
It’s wild that we’ve had so much young Obi Wan stuff, but hardly any young Qui Gon anything.
The "What if Qui Gon had lived" fan debate is one of the richest and most interesting discussions in the Star Wars fandom. Heck even Dave Faloni went on record confirming many of the fan theories about Qui Gon having the ability to change the course of the galaxy had he survived. "Duel of the Fates" refers to the "fate" of not just Qui Gon and Obi Wan, but Anakin and the entire galaxy.
Not only could Anakin have been steered on the right path, but maybe Dooku could have been able to come back to the light with Qui Gon's help as well. Ratted out Sidious and everything. With Sidious exposed to the Jedi order as well as the cloning project the entirety of the Clone Wars and the rise of the Empire could have been averted.
This is why I REALLY hope Lucasfilm creates a "Star Wars: What If?" miniseries to delve into alternate timelines like this.
Fantastic video, my favorite so far!! I’m a huge Qui Gon fan and a firm believer that he was the greatest threat to the Sith grand plan.
All Six Movies
Qui Gon was there for Anakin including When he was Vader
Qui-Gon didnt buy Anakin, he won him in a bet. No paperwork for the accountants to explain lol
Anakin needed a specialty jedi charter school.
I agree . Master Jinn surviving would have made a HUGE difference to the procession of Events . Obi-Wan was not his first Padawan . Already a Master .
Grand Master Yoda had in fact offered him a Seat on Council Twice , which was rejected twice , due to the DOGMA they had descended into .
Love every episode!! You are the man!!
Let's see. The Council already made its decision: Anakin will not become a padavan. Qui-Gon understood that there's often a difference between the will of the Force and the will of the Council and he knew how to bend the rules a little bit to satisfy both. But this time there was no room for halfway decision, the Force wanted Anakin to be trained and the Council did not. That would have stretched Qui-Gon's loyalty towards the Order to the breaking point and I'M SURE on his way to Naboo for the last time he was already planning to leave the order and disappear with Anakin.
A whole lot of misery would have been avoided: Qui-Gon still lives so Dooku doesn't fall to the dark side, Anakin gets to Tatooine on time to save his mother and get closure knowing that she is free and lives a good life now so he doesn't fall to the dark side either, the Jedi would have foolishly jumped to fight in the war anyway but once it's over and order 66 is done it's Anakin who would have given hope to the remaining survivors the same way Qui-Gon gave hope to him, to Dooku etc.
the issue is though that Palpatine would still be trying to get Anakin to join him as an apprentice. personally i think this would come in the form of the chancellor becoming more involved with the goings on of the jedi and using his power with them to push qui gon out for being too radical in a time of already great uncertainty
Definitely, Palpatine's plans were already in motion by the time of episode one. Qui Gon would have been a major road block to his end game and would have him removed by any means necessary.
Another very interesting theme and analysis, thx!
I always think about these examples hours after. . Droids can't think outside their programing . Choppers friend did
How would Kamino's incubation chambers prevent the risk Pade dying in child birth Thus savings Aniken from turning evil.
Qui Gon Jinn should have been next in line in the order to be the Grand Master after Yoda. He, along with Anakin could have lead a new generation of Jedi to combat Palpatine.
No, the problem is that the Jedis was corrupted beyond repair. That was why Dooku left. Remember, Qui Gon was trained by Dooku and the librarian said Dooku was the smartest.
Qui GOn understood the force better than anyone. He believe in a balance in the force. rest of the Jedis lost track of it.
What if young Anakin was there during the Maul fight ?
Then Naboo loses the Space Battle. Maybe Maul can use Anakin against the Jedis and win the battle. Or Anakin manages to keep his ship in the hangar and tries to help Obi wan and Qui Gon by firing at Darth Maul. He cuts him in half with a plasma bolt but the battle up there is still Lost.
When Obi Wan, still not yet a knight, openly and quite rudely questioned Qui Gon's views about Anakin, he was treated with respect. But every time Anakin had a question later on in his own training, or even if he just made a comment - especially in front of a third party - Obi Wan shot him down in flames, humiliating him and being unnecessarily critical. That shows Obi Wan to have been afraid of Anakin. When the chips went down, if not before, Anakin will have sensed that.
Disney needs to do a “What If” series for Star Wars.
Qui-Gon Jinn - the Space Aslan of Star Wars
I always loved that Qui-Gon Jinn came to refer to the force as 'the Living Force'.
Not something that is distant, gone, or dead that has left its authority to men(or a jedi council)
But something, with a will, that lives- Qui-Gon sees himself as someone who should concern himself with what it wants, not with what he wants.
A true Aslan/servant indeed.
(Just occurred to me, same actor 😄)
QGJ was the glue that kept everything together.
They call the fight between Qui-gon and Maul as the duel of the fates. The different fates for Anakin, to be specific. This is why Qui-gon was the master Anakain needed, and who would have guided him to being the best version of himself that he could have been. He understood what Anakin needed and could provide it.
It's hard to say because tales of the Jedi tells us that Qui-Gon's death was planned or at least intended... though I do believe Qui-Gon could have prevented Anakin's down fall due to his beliefs in the living Force and the concepts entailed in that belief. After much thought on where Obi-Wan "failed" Anakin, I believe it was in one of Qui-Gon's final lessons to him, "Be mindful of the living Force" is what Qui-Gon said... something you never hear Obi-Wan tell Anakin, at least in the movies and CW series.
Starwars shows how dreams come true.
There's little Chance you will succeed and even if you don't it's a not what you expected.
But Aniken says it's what I always dreamed of doing.
But in clone wars series..he tells his own apprentice I also considered leaving the oder
I would love to see a what if series about this
Thanks!
Anakin is the classic tragic hero and that's what makes him a compelling character. I think however, that he was destined for the Dark Side and Qui-Gon's training would have not been enough. Palpatine had his eyes on Anakin and would have engineered some way to get Qui-Gon killed and Anakin under his influence.
I always thought that was like the point of qui gons death. And what made it a tragedy. He was built to train someone like anakin but was killed before he could
Damn good! Thank you.
Indeed and very well put video. As had Qui gon jin, had lived Anakin doesn't turn to the dark side without a shadow of a doubt. Which along with his unorthodox approach and abilities made him a massive threat to the sith. Which is why they Plagius and Sidious fear him so much and needed him dead.
Definitely a case of "What If" for sure
'If Only' Qui-Gon had not met Maul there may never have been a Darth Vader and the whole course of the movies would've been different.
The Jedi should’ve rescued a Anikins mother and set her up naboo.
If we're being honest with ourselves Anakin was a product of his environment but the clone wars also took a toll on his psyche.
Hopefully they do a what if type series and venture into that
Brilliant writing !!!!!!!
I've come to believe that the imbalance in the Force was because the Jedi Knights had lost whatever focus they once had and could no longer course correct. Did they ever look into the Sith lord who had killed Qui-Gon and the clear connection between the Sith and the Trade Federation? The destruction of their order was terrible, but it may have been necessary.
The master Anakin needed as a master was Ikrit.
In a way, Qui-Gon's death acted as the last nail in the coffin for the Jedi order, and it takes an even more tragic turn of events when you remember that Qui-Gon's death happened because of the Jedi order's dismissal of Qui-Gon's warning
:) Very good, I've always liked Qui-Gons presence. Qui-Gons calm wisdom would've fit much better to Anakin's high maintenance needs. Qui-Gon (I think) would've spent time discussing and listening to Anakin whereas Obi-Wan with good intention but brick wall, black & white technique only had limited success. To most *Younglings Obi-Wan would've been fine but Anakin wasn't "Most Kids". Good video.
Anakin in a way is what the world is telling you versus what your soul is telling you personified
What if Qui Gon really was Anakins father and Shmi was covering for him
if ol' Jinn had lived, well, Dooku might have thought a little bit before eventually join the Sith with ol' Palp. And even more, maybe Jinn would have been trying to bring Anakin back to her mother with Dooku to train him how they wished to train him ideally. If Qui-Gon is a natural father model, well Dooku is nothing much like an old wise grandpa who can discipline and tame his "nephew" through both experience and knowledge. Jinn is very elegant and intelligent at using the Force and manipulating stuff without letting anyone notice it, Dooku is literally a walking Jedi dueling textbook. Training him in Tattoine can cut things down drastically when he can stay with his "traditional family" and grow into something both skilled in dueling and using the Force.
On the point concerning that each time Anakin lashed out it comes from love.
It's also love that redeems him, and drives him to lash out and betray the Emperor. Love for his son.
Perhaps had Qui gonn lived Dooku would have not left the order in that way he did and the two trained Anakin together.
Should have used the footage of freaky puppet yoda. He's my favourite yoda.
Pretty surprised no one’s written like a genuine what if star war book or series maybe there’s a few idk know about
Hey who was the 20 jedi master that left the order I know #20 was the count who was the other 19 and can you do a brief history of them
So, I have a sort-of spin-off question that popped into my head while watching this video (not that I expect an answer; I just want to toss it out there): Do you think things would have changed if Obi-Wan left the Jedi Order for Satine during The Clone Wars? We see how close Obi-Wan and Anakin are during that time, and it makes me wonder if Anakin would have opened up to Obi-Wan more if he saw his former Master choose love.
We know Obi-Wan knew about him and Padmé; maybe not the exact nature of the relationship, but he knew they were close. He might have been able to guide Anakin through those emotions better if he actively pursued them himself. It still wouldn't be the same as Qui-Gon, of course, but perhaps it would have made a difference.
Who knew Qui-Gon was that important
Someone should make an accurate representation video on what if qui gon jinn trained Anakin?
Ive said it before. Qui-gon was a true jedi. Or s grey one. Talking sbout balance in the force with the dark and the light vombined. Anakin was just that, he brought A BALANCE between the light and dark. Paving a path for a new way of the force, the grey balanced one
Qui-Gon was the father figure anakin needed. Obi-Wan was more of a brother to him. Palpating in a twisted way ends up becoming his father figure. But he becomes the father figure that he never had in episode 6. So tragic but such a beautiful arc ultimately.
That and Palpatine wouldn't have slowly mold Anakin into becoming Vader. After all, he ad Qui Gon are two opposite figures to Anakin and what he could or couldn't become.
The last fight between Jinn and maul was for anakins fate so deep..
Alternative: Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are both killed by Maul, and hearing of his former apprentice's wishes, Dooku becomes Anakin's teacher.
Pretty sure if both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were killed on Naboo, then EVERYBODY ELSE would've been by Maul too.
Padmé's security guards would've stood no chance against him, so she, Captain Panaka and everybody else there would've died.
Anakin would've gotten kidnapped as soon as he landed back on that hangar, if Maul didn't just kill him right there and then due to being unaware of Palpatine's plans for the boy yet.
The Gungan Army... would've been dealt with later on, since Nut Gunray wouldn't be a hostage anymore to "negotiate a new treaty", so the Trade Federation could've sent reinforcements to wipe out the Gungans.
So yeah, Maul coming out victorious out of that fight would've changed *everything.* Obi-Wan literally saved the whole census by defeating him!
@@MrDibara So Obi-Wan prevented a timeline in which Jar-Jar died and there was no awkward Padma-Anakin romance? Maybe he was the bad guy the whole time.
This is all assuming Palpatine wouldn't orchestrate Qui Gons demise regardless.
I just realized something. The Jedi say that fear leads to the dark side, but they are afraid of Anakin turning to the dark side. Like OBSESSED with it.
If Qui Gon didn't die he would 100% have found out about Palpatine's plans before the Clone Wars even started or soon after (I think)
So true Qui-Gon was Anakin's only hope. Had he lived we would have seen a different Anakin. Oh here's a interesting idea for a video what if Yoda trained Anakin instead of obi-wan. If anyone knew what the boy needed it was Yoda.
Sadly, I think even Yoda was too influenced by the Order's dogma to make a difference.
True, he would've been a better mentor than Obi-Wan, but not by that much I believe. Anakin's case was trully special and Qui-Gon really was the only one at the time who could've guided him. _(maybe not even Plo Koon could've)_
I would love to see a series focused on Dooku and how he only followed Palpatine after Qui Gons death so he could personally usurp Palpatine himself
Maybe we could have an elseworld series where Dooku maybe did take over the empire
Wonder how he would've run things
Can you do a story is Aniken, Obi wan and palpatine die in at the start of episode 3 when the invisible hand crashed, what would happen to the galaxy
Qui-Gon...the most dangerous man in the galaxy. He was truly the one to stop Sidious. If he survived Maul I really think we would never have original series.
Obi-Wan was Anakin's brother, Qui-Gon was Anakin's father. While Obi-Wan was supportive, Anakin needed that father figure.
Qui gon would of been the father he needed. Obi wan was too much of a older brother
From a philosophical standpoint, the Jedi Order was not a servant of the Force.
If the Force was responsible for directing and giving purpose to life, then would it not stand to reason that loving people and growing attachments is the explicit Will of the Force?
In the end, because of the Jedi Code, their belief in the Force was just as unnatural as the doctrines held by the Sith.
This is why Qui-Gon Jinn was at odds with the council.
This is why he believed in and served the living Force.
And this is why he was not fearful of love or attachments.
The Force would've balanced out. Dooku gets more powerful, Maul doesn't die or whatever.
Wtf notifications 3 days later I get the notification
Cool
The Duel of Fates wasn't won on Naboo, the Light Side lost that Duel.
Woah 😳