3:17 "If Pekora was a powerful person, things would have been different." From any other VTuber, that line would be inspirational and exciting. From Pekora, it's terrifying.
More people need to see this after Fauna and Chloe’s graduation. Fauna’s graduation is a hard one, while she is not affiliated with Hololive anymore, unlike Ame and Chloe
Pekora is one of the early "high energy" members that is still with us. It's hard to be the energetic one, or even the literal end boss (like in Rust), so much of the time, but Pekora threaded the needle and seems to be in a pretty stable place. Which is great! She's amazing, and helped to define an entire "type" of holomem.
The thing is, What Pekora's manager said back then was absolutely correct. "Hololive need stability and safety more than hype and excitement" need to be emphasized at the time. They might seems too strict right now, But that's just an appropriate countermeasure after how much they have been through in 2020-2022 Why was the perms so strict? Because the last time it wasn't this strict, We almost lost Mio's entire channel. more than half of the video and stream from before that time were privated or deleted. Maybe they're just overreacting, But who knows if they ever have to go through that again. Is the current Hololive stable and safe enough yet? Probably. But for these thing you can't never be too sure.
Exactly my thought, maybe it is to strict a place for some of the talents at times, but I’d rather they have that safety net in place before they risk a fall and it’s not like Hololive doesn’t understand that sometimes the talents need to take a step back and focus on themselves and what they want to do the most and so they try to accommodate that to the best of their ability I feel like
one thing for sure, STOP SPAMMING NEW MEMBERS for a while. ID branch is a good example. no more new gens. the chats being a jerk. wanting a new gens. hey people. if u want new gens, that means you already tired to the current members. that's rude to old membs, u know... nijisanji already a proof about this kind of stuff. DONT SPAM SO MANY VTUBERS IN SUCH A SHORT TIME. and NEED TO RETIRE THE OLD MEMBS FIRST BEFORE ADDING NEW GENS. even tho it's sad to see akua and ame retired, but that gives hololive a bit of chance to release a new gen. for a stability. now seems cover, both holo live and stars, need to make it like... ONE GEN ONE YEAR. like really. like proper school system. kouhai-senpai thingy advent, justice, regloss 1 and 2, are not necessarily needed for the past year. i mean it's okay if they already got the names. but fuwamoco and others need to be like.. wait for another semester or another year after the audition to be able to join the group. the sad thing is, whenever I typed some comments like.. 'retirement' thing, some ppl be like thinking I'm a hater or it's some bad comment. I'm not. and I can say that I'm already a veteran fan. the fact is like that. old gens need to retire for new gens to enter. and I think 2025 is such a good/pretty number for some special events including graduation/retirement. that's also why I predict probably 2025 more vtubers gonna retire. and debuting.
People forget that Hololive started out back when VTubing was a VERY novel concept, back when people were throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it'd stick. There were no rules about how to do stuff, so the guys at Cover had to adapt as they went to avoid shit hitting the fan. And that didn't even work half the time (dare I mention the 6th member of Gen 0? Or the Coco incident?). Now that the rules have been established, yeah, things are a lot more corporate now, but they pretty much HAVE to, lest they let history repeat itself and eventually cause their downfall. That's why Nijisanji (and many other firms) is drowning, lord knows how many skeletons there are in the closet that we haven't heard of yet.
The only thing I'd "criticize" is the lack of chill attitude towards collab with their male colleague. I know I know it 's purely the girls choice but maybe make new EN gen with specific aim to bridge hololive and holostars. Or at least a gen with all member chill with collabing with holostars
The fact that pekora wants to do all kind of exciting things but can't means we haven't seen pekora's full potential and she still has a ton of crazy ideas waiting to be shown on stream. I'm glad she is as motivated as ever still despite already reaching the top of the streaming world and also glad she is my oshi
Streaming allows not only the talents to become closer and build bonds between them and their fans (Which is something that is rare with Hololive vs. other Idol companies) but also a way for them to destress. The concerts, and everything else is great and brings a lot of money and work for the company but streaming is what got us all into Hololive.
I think it's incredible how people have the ability to easily change the meaning of things, Pekora is commenting on the new members and how things have changed on Hololive over time, just like all the old members have been doing on their streams, and a lot of people appear who think she's complaining, unhappy with the way Hololive has become.
Exactly, it's already pretty exhausting hearing all the false narratives they come up with; even when the talent themselves debunk them (like Aqua), they still keep at it
Though I agree. You can also complain about things but still love said things. Sometimes the people who love something the most are also the ones that complain the most because they want to see it perform well. Not saying here that Pekora complains a lot but even if she did it would be fine. She has her view on things, other members have theirs and then the company might have a different view as well. There's bound to be creative clashes and complaints here and there that we don't know of nor should know. What I'm trying to say I guess is that complaining is fine if you do it out of genuine interest and care for the thing you do.
gotta drive engagement somehow, members saying "it's neat to see how hololive has changed over time, im glad that with the current state of the company i can do the things i like at my pace :)" doesnt get as many clicks as framing it as if members are saying "HOLOLIVE HAS CHANGED... FOR THE WORSE... CLICK TO FIND OUT HOW..."
honestly, it can be both, we will never know. maybe you're right and Pekora is just talking about the new gen and stuff but MAYBE, just maybe she too is contemplating about the CONS of Hololive's change. Im not trying to twist what Pekora is talking about, im saying there is a possibility.
One of the thing I get is she wants more games to stream but not accepted. I'm not really certain what "I want to do this and that" in the context of fun and exciting streams, and what kind of perms she needs to do that.
pekora is clearly the kind of girl who loves streaming and chat and her job in general, so obviously she "overworks" herself. but it's clear there is no pressure from inside holo to force her to stream. for example compare pekora's demeanor to nijisanji members who are openly unhappy. even if she was faking it, she wouldn't act like this
Doesn't this sound like it's related to all the recently announced graduations? Minato Aqua, Amelia Watson, Ceres Fauna, Sakamata Chloe..... right after A-chan left, and Yozora Mel was terminated
Check randon's rant, and honestly as a corpo man myself, it's actually understandable. The bigger the company, the harder it'll be if it fall, that's why aiming for stability is 'correct', and cover is steering more toward risk-averse right now. Watson seems to want to increase her tech repertoire, and Fauna probably can't do ASMR again as of now, ASMR seems to be in grey-zone according to the whimsical YT rule.
@@ArchAzrael79 The problem is precisely growth. They talk about stability while wanting to grow too much. They're trying to grow instead of being stable. It's better to be stable and small than to try to grow and ruin everything.
3:10 Peko-chan is being humble of how influential and powerful she has become. So powerful she could accidentally DDoS some unsuspecting sites and also to the point most of her ideas would easily get the "Go" signal from the management so that she doesn't get her motivation slide down. A very huge chunk of Hololive would disappear if she left. Same with Miko, Marine, Subaru, Koyori, Suisei and other with constant high viewership.
I figure she was talking about her personality, not the de facto influence (though I guess the "small fry" is a bit strange to use in that case, but maybe that's just a translation thing?)
I just saw this yesterday 18/Nov, calling herself a smol fry. Today I wake up to her being nominated for content creator of the year 2024. Good times peko!~
You know, it makes a lot of sense. HoloLive needed to establish a core audience and a footing on the scene before it could expand, so it made sense to be a little more restrictive. And when Pekora says Staff members were less "you can't do that" and more "let's try this later", it shows they had at the very least some forward thinking regarding where the company should go. And you can tell by the progression of each new group, one more unhinged than the last. In the best waym of course. YAGOO was digging for gold, found gold, diamonds, platinum and is now cooking with nuclear energy.
I take back my last comment..... Now with fauna leaving maybe there's something to this. Just hope pekora stays.... She's the goat for me lol! If she leaves lots are gonna crash out for sure!
Though I do think as a company it makes more sense for them to expand into the idol side though as in Japan its such a huge financial market ranging from ads to concerts and tv appearances. But as a listener, I do agree with her. I'm not super into all of their idol side of things, I love more of their game streams events like hologta and minecraft events. I do listen to some of the members music but that's about it. But I can see a total reverse fan who only like the idol side and less of the live streams. I think with how things are going, it might split the base as the type of activities will attract different fan base. I assume that is why cover did the dev_Is branch as eventually it might be healthier for cover to divide the company to be idol side and gaming side as both are equally time consuming and needs a different kind of support system. From what I know Dev_is branch also expects their livers to do dance and singing lesson on regular basis which might turn off some of the liver who sign before the company was going down the idol route.
I talked about this elsewhere, but you can actually look at something like the monthly streaming hours and you won't really find much of a disparity between the streaming hours this October compared to say, October 2021. I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding in what Pekora is saying and people are jumping to something that is both negative and not true.
It's not that they have less time to streaming, it's just that the whole activity is busier than it was a few years ago, and Chloe cites getting busier as one of the reasons for her graduation.
istg, you can see the people incapable of thinking about the logistics behind every Holomembers streaming whenever clips like this pops up. It's usually the naive teens who thinks Hololive talents work = indies work or the adults who haven't worked a single day
what I like about hololive is the management about how their talents are always to be in good terms. no drama, no fighting, just happy life and entertaining audience. we need that in life
People really going to just latch onto Pekora being restricted and assume she's unhappy, when she straight up says she's happy and shares her excitement on a stream idea at the end of the clip. Also, I'm a believer that youtube is to blame for why hololive has to play it safe at times.
"Also, I'm a believer that youtube is to blame for why hololive has to play it safe at times. " It's true. Anyone that was around in 2019 ~ early 2020 were probably aware that a number of talents made "sub channels" because of RUclips constantly hitting their videos, shadow banning them, etc. Choco was actually top of her gen sub wise until YT started hitting her for her ASMR. After the Mio thing in 2020 they really had to tighten up as if a channel actually got banned it's unclear what exactly that'd mean for Hololive because of who it is that makes the channels.
And even now YT is randomly deleting over half of the Flow Glow girls' sub counts because their oh-so-perfect algorithm overlord can't distinguish a major channel debut from bot activity...
I feel like streaming should be the priority. Streaming is essential and crucial for them to build a fanbase, which would lead to bigger merch sales if they have a large fanbase.
i saw the company report of hololive, now big chunk of the profit is from merchandise not from live stream anymore, i guess this is what the company shift is, sure live stream revenue is uncertain and volatile, while pushing hololive as a whole with activity and sell more merch probably more sustainable for the company
yea, streaming wasn't the main goal of hololive in the first place lol it was just that hololive's boom was attributed to everyone being stuck at home making it seem like hololive is just like nijisanji being just a streaming and entertainment company. Yagoo himself had bigger goals in mind than settling for just streaming so it's kinda understandable some people are having a whiplash of some sort with how it's going now, this was the plan from the start.
I understand that, but streaming is how you meet the talents, you get attached to them, you become their fan, etc. At least I haven't found anyone because of the concerts or the music.
You're late, it's been like that for years. The reason why the talents shill their merch is that they have a better cut on merch than superchats, coz with merch they just have to split it between Cover and themselves, meanwhile with superchats they have to give youtube its share. Conversely, it's the reason why NijiLivers barely talk about their merch: 2% is all they get, why are they gonna bother? The Holomem that stream a lot are the ones that like streaming in the first place. The ones that don't... Welp, either don't like it for some reason (they might prefer a balanced irl and vtuber life) or they're just that busy.
Well they came very far from where they started, but they're still aware there r many companies in JP still going against them for many reasons, it's not like they forced to, it was a last resort
90% of comments never watch her streams. Among high portion of them don’t watch short clips, and straight up comment by reading titles. Some watch the beginning of this clip, and start twisting a few words with a sauce called imagination. What a chaos lmao
Pretty much all the controversy with Hololive is caused entirely by people who barely watch clips and make up a whole narrative. And if you're a fan that actually watches the streams and try to correct them they will dismiss you as a parasocial simp.
@@burrihurri If only I could understand Japanese and Indonesian (and be able to watch while working or while asleep), then I would be able to watch and understand the full context of the JP and ID streams (at least for the ID streams when they aren't speaking much English)
People are saying a lot in this comment section so I want people to think beyond the talents for a bit. According to Cover's website, as of June of 2023 Cover had 409 employees, a year + later there's even more people involved. Remember, this is at least 409 real people who their lives depend on that company. In my opinion, letting talents do whatever they want would be wildly irresponsible not only in a business sense but also in a moral sense. A company that big needs to have a clear and safe direction. Does money plays a part in that? Of course, they're a company after all. But things are not black and white, there's always more than Cover is becoming a good or bad company.
It's like they forget that staff-san and manechan-tachi are Cover employees, which need to get paid too. Whenever they balk at Cover taking "the girls' hard-earned money" I just wanna wallop them and say "some of that money goes to Henma, and we both know the guy deserves it!" 😂
@@HudaefCares In all honesty, the cut Cover takes is probably still much less than an indie would have to pay for the same services. Manager for full coordination of all activities, moderation teams, legal representatives, tech support, technical infrastructure, a base salary, zero-interest loans for projects, access to their vast network of artists and sponsors, etc. - all of that allows the talents to focus a lot more on their content. For many that's an easy tradeoff.
also Japan is crazy with their legal system, remember when they deleted or archoved entire channels because of copyright. Not to mention youtube is as sensitive as you can be. They definitively have to consider a lot of things to keep hololive being able to produce the content we love and Im thankful for their work
I feel like there needs to be a middle ground between content creators and the people who manage them. Yes, talents should be free to explore what they want and not feel caged, but give a creative mind too much freedom and you get the painfully long drama of "is this the final arc for Rent A Girlfriend?".
@@ultrahotwings9738 Just the right amount of barriers also creates makes the creation process worthwhile. One of the best ways t acheive happiness is to overcome not unknown barriers. You overcome it and if it's a legit barrier you feel happy in overcoming said barrier
@@EndoftheBeginning17 exactly! The common saying is that Restriction Breeds Creativity. A good editor or manager will help laser focus the creator to keep the main thing as the main thing by taking the creative stream and focus it into a powerwashing jet that can break through what a creator alone might not be able to. A bad editor or manager will be nothing but a obstacles that hinder the creative flow without any productive result..
@@ultrahotwings9738 And on the opposite side lack of resrictions can lead to the kitchen sink problem and scope creep. Leading to experiences of "Y thing would be really good if they focused on a few core concepts rather than continuing to add new ideas all the time" (even if said new ideas are all good) or "B show would have been so good if it had ended a few seasons ago rather than trying to keep it going". A way to sum it up as an opposite example to "restriction breeeds creativity" could be the saying "perfect is the enemy of good enough". Just make something and commit to it rather than trying to chase after ever expanding heights. Because in failing to achieve perfection you might make a mess that isn't even good enough.
pekora says that she has changed from stream addiction to her own pace, but the way i see it, pekora has always been her own pace but only realizes it now that the company she is in has grown and become a better place. basically, pekora is in a good position to rule the world with ease
Aye. Said it elsewhere, but her streaming hours are generally around the same as they were 3-4 years ago. People are making really overblown, doom-posty statements in the comments.
Japan has laws that are disadvantaged to streamers in general, the fact there was a talk that streamers should split their ad revenues to the game developers should be alarming how crazy things are in Japan, so makes sense why Hololive wants to move towards "artists"
Just my two cents, Hololive gets more revenue from merchs so of course they will shift their focus on how to sell more than to improve the streaming part since its just up to the talents' creativity to do things on stream (with restrictions); And so far I think their biggest goal is Suisei, Hololive and other companies are now trying to recreate another Suisei stardom success. I also think that is the reason for DEV_IS existence but to me they just can't recreate Suisei's success at all. She did all things as a trailblazer accompanied with luck, experimenting new things, and also hardwork which is a given. If Cover succeeds on creating their XR/RPG Game paired with their own hardware, they will be unstoppable at that point and become big as any other tech companies for sure.
I do agree that hololive has indeed changed, essentially reverting back to their original direction of pushing their virtual idol stuffs forward, playing things safe to avoid too many complications, legal or otherwise. Still, with how much of absolute comedians our favorite holo girls can sometimes turn into, and how familiar we've grown with that particular aspect over the years, I hope that shifting back into their original direction doesn't completely wipe that "fun" aspect away from the holo girls and alienate too many viewers.
Hololive didn't switch to an idol path until the gap between Gamers and Gen 3. After this they blew up. That being said the streaming hours of many members is around the same as it was 3-4 years ago. If someone wants to stream, they stream. People need to stop doom posting. The talents can literally say they're happy and people will still come into the comments and go wild with negative theories.
I see a lot of anti on this comment section twisting Pekora's word with their own narrative. With the clickbait thumbnail and people who comment first before watching the whole clip, it attracts antis like flies on a sh*t.
I won't pretend that I am familiar with what really goes on in Cover Corp but I understand very well the importance of shifting moderation due to growth, both the pros and cons. For me, at least, I already see that kind of situation with Suisei very clearly over the years. Her name is now more of a Business-Tier Brand than just a mere name which means she really can't risk doing anything that could ruin that momentum of gaining promotions (such as playing with her "Psychopath" Persona). The more you handle more added things in a collective (such as having new Talents Debut as Gens), the more likely those things can screw up the whole collective due to the lack of attentiveness so rules getting tighter is not a surpise. While I am happy for their progress as of now, I hope that Cover Corp does not one day "fly to close to the sun" when it comes to their development. At the same time, we, the Viewers, should also not be surprised that we see Talents decide to see different paths in the future (such as what we saw with Aqua and Ame) since we now have so many that have been with Cover for more than 4 years now and that we have so many, each with their own personal limits (which do not even include simply retiring due to old age).
Damn y'all are bunch of doomers lol A lot of the projects Hololive put out recently is proof that they still know how to please both their audiences and talents. EnReco, GTA server, Breaking Dimensions, the Dodgers collab, have all been highly praised by fans and talents alike. Aqua and Ame graduating/going seperate directions was a long time coming already.
Can't help but think of Gura. I agree with Pekora that streaming should be fundamental. Gura has been gone for so long that I feel like she's no longer a vtuber.
Yeah, streaming is the fundamental for the fans and the streamer to know each others. Streaming is like "im still here u know and im doing fine even tho i only streams once a week or a month" and makes the fans still fans, if they take it for granted and never streams most of them will lose interest to the new one that frequently streams. Theres a saying in my place "if a person/generation is incapable doing things God will find a younger person/generation that capable doing the same thing and far better than before".
Not only do antis not watch any of the streams, they dont even watch the clips they comment under. You can tell because it never has anything to do with that the talent says in the clip, just a really farfetched interpretation of the video title.
Wow so many tourist here and it always happen on clip like this that give holo in bad light. Also how long you guys gonna have the "aqua doesn't want idol work" narrative, it's been months. She even write idol on her new persona, these guys clearly not Aqua crew/livestream watcher/even fully watch clip about her.
From what I've heard Yagoo did say that it was either going public or selling the company because they were running on venture capital... do you really think things would've been better if they company had gotten sold? Either way we can't know because Yagoo and others decided they weren't going to go down that path. And speculating on something like that is utterly pointless.
@@zozozozozizizizi I'm tired of the doomposters. I'll listen to what they have to say once they've calmed down from their mass hysteria and turned their brains back on.
As much as they say merch and stuff are more stable, they need to be reminded that what makes these stuff work are the talents themselves and STREAMING is what make them known and interact with their fanbase in many unique ways which sets them appart from traditional musicians. It's a bit like what piracy did to many media including games and anime which helped them spread so much there are many people spending on them worldwide as oposed if people only waited for official ofuscated releases or just never consumed them because they weren't aware in the first place. (And also once I got money I bought the things I pirated once, which I believe everyone does for things they really enjoyed)
The talents are still streamings tho, it just theh takes more precautious than before cause the past actions could lead some of the members account got banned or dissappear cause of license. You are making a lot of bullshits and if you think members are not streaming then you absolutely mock the members that streamings. Not everyone in hololive is gura, shion or ayame bro
I've been following Pekora for several years and I get a little sad seeing the comments here and the level of her fans. I think that in the whole of Hololive I've never seen another fandom that gets together like this to talk badly about the company that Pekora herself is part of, thinking that they're doing something for Pekora. If Pekora herself saw this, she certainly wouldn't like what she saw at all. I wonder if this increased because of the fic that the people themselves created that Aqua left because she was dissatisfied with how she was treated. In fact, if you take into account the things that Sakuna says, it seems more like she simply didn't want to have to do the work related to being an idol anymore, which is mandatory since Hololive is also an idol agency. Sakuna has already achieved what she wanted and prefers to work more peacefully at her own, calmer pace and without having much contact with people. If more people watched and paid attention to her streams, they would understand something so simple.
The part about Sakuna not wanting to be an idol is a myth. She has denied it multiple times. Even in her debut trailer , it says in English "This is the place for me to be everyone's idol". The own calmer pace is true. She has talked about it in her streams. But the idol part is not.
You didn't watch her streams, did you? She's been doing meetings left and right on her own. She's more busy than before, to the point she barely streams games. That's what she gets for not hiring a manager. Her goal is to become 3D and have a 3D live and also have an original song. She was and still is an idol at heart. She just wants to do it on her own and on her own terms. The rumor that she doesn't want to be an idol anymore was already debunked by herself at her graduation stream.
not all here are her fans, some probably just random viewers. and its not talk badly but criticism. pekora strong point is streaming and its her way to relax, so it kinda sad when her time is full of recording and stuff. heck she even sometime have a meeting late at night. cover shouldnt forget that streaming is what make the fan want to buy the merch.
I don't understand why criticize so much as well. Miko should be an example to show that elevating the idol factor within their talents is not a bad thing. Her sololive was beautiful and one of the highlights of the whole year for the company and her fanbase. It's not like they stopped streaming as well, we can attach ourselves to a talent without the need of a stream everyday. It's not black and white, we can have both and be happy. Fubuki will have her sololive as well, we should rejoice that we can see their funny and more relaxed side on stream and their full idol mode on concerts. Pekora will have it someday as well and I hope people will shower her with positive energy, this comment section has too much negative and exaggerated comments.
I feel like Hololive is forgetting what vtubing culture is all about. Recently they've been focusing heavy on merch, brand deals and collabs. I get it, they're idols, but there's a distinction between "real" and virtual idols. They're really churning out the girls for money, it's obvious why so many are leaving. Hololive isn't the same company they used to be especially with A-chan gone. I believe A-chan really advocated for the girls and kept the company in-line with what vtubing culture has always been.
what hololive need isnt exciting streams but varies of stream contents, girls just play same shits and when one streamer be different than them, fans said they dont belong to hololive. thats what i thought the management should make streams more varies and help them with those contents than playing safe or too strict.
I think its important for hololive to seperate itself from the rest of the Vtuber market with its idol activities but at the same time maybe make a different category for ones that just wanna be goofy and stream, like ame and aqua. The indie scene is booming now, but at its core hololive IS the safe pick, people pick it because its a close enough fan/talent connection without more drama or parasocial roots. Its like complaining disney makes family movies. Glad the more veteran holomems feel safe to talk about this.
i kinda agree with this. pekora love being idol but streaming is what she love more. streaming is rest for her that is why im kinda sad if she said she have works and cannot stream that day
Pekora and her clips are the ones that brought me into vtubers and hololive. So she will forever be my Oishi. To me she is still Hololives biggest star. I adore Pekora.
yeah, to a certain degree I wish clippers would stop posting videos like this. They went from being places to have a certain degree of civil discussion in the comments to nowadays where they've just become a place for antis to fan the flames. If they are going to post clips like this the least they could do is bother to clean up the comments.
I'm curious about the different "work" that talents do outside of streams. I have noticed this with several different Holomems, they differentiate between dance/singing lessons and "work". I guess they do voice recordings? Is there really that many sponsorship deals for Cover that talents have to regularly reserve entire days for this sort of thing? What else would they be doing? Yes, Cover needs to be safe and careful with how big the company is, but they should also keep reminding themselves that the biggest reason for why they are this big in the first place is because of Holomem streaming. The talents should be the first priority.
Mind you most of the time how sponsorships work (according to Holomem) is that management tells them so and so wants to sponsor them, "are you interested?" Most of the time they can say no if they want. There's sponsorships, then merch, then planning for concerts, planning for collabs, recording covers/orisongs, dance practice, not to mention they have private (personal) stuff to do. Some of them have radio shows. (Senchou and Fubuki had one, Suisei has 2, there are also radio shows where Holomem were regular guests) They show up on Japanese TV too btw, occasionally. They also cameo in anime. Betcha didn't know that Suisei and Sora sung anime OSTs for upcoming animes, Suisei's is an anime movie, Sora's is an anime OP theme. (Forgot the anime name for both) Nene has voiced a named character in an anime. She, Subaru and Aqua had a unit named NEGIU that sang an anime ED theme... Crap, I also forgot the name. And this just what I know. They have a fckton of collabs and sponsorships in Japan. Oh yeah, Korone is Sonic ambassador, Botan and Aqua are Redbull ambassador, (I think Botan is now/also Nissin ambassador _and_ has a collab with a ramen restaurant rn) Miko, Calli and Gura are Tokyo Tourism ambassadors. They also have sponsorships (btw I'm using "sponsorships" and "collabs" interchangeably coz I'm an idiot that doesn't know the difference) in countries like Taiwan and Korea. Again, this is just what I know and remember. I'm info-dumping right now lmao, sorry for the messy reply.
i believe the so-called "work" are just regular meetings which is non negotiable, i remember the recent enreco where the whole advent were forced to quit the game and skip the first day interaction because of "work" by management
@@HudaefCares I'd imagine that a lot of the planning/administrative is done by their managers, or at least all the preparations, so that the talents only have to make big decisions/voice their opinions. Why have dozens of managers and hundreds of other staff members if the talents did everything around collabs. If they really have a lot of sponsorships in Japan then that'd be understandable, regular meetings of course also, it's just a little weird that it often takes a sh*t ton of time but of course I have no idea what gets discussed, so maybe it's necessary
@@Feuerex They have collabs with grocery chains, brands, various restaurants, stores, clothes, gadgets, so on and so forth. Watch Hwikky if you want a sample. He's a Korean vlog maker that goes around visiting Hololive collabs/sponsorships and ofc the concerts. (dw he's bilingual, his videos have eng subs) Even if they only have to nod/shake their head they still have tons of stuff to do. For example Gura had a collab with Sushiro in Taiwan and she had voice lines recorded for it. A few "Sushiro wants you to say this" "Sushiro wants you to say it in this way" "Gura they wanna change some things" and it already sounds tiring, but now an Aquarium in Japan wants your voice lines too, rinse and repeat. (Idk the timeline but those are real collabs btw, apparently Gura visited Taiwan?? But I might be misremembering it) And just when Gura is dead tired suddenly "Gura, we're planning a collab with the LA Dodgers, yes _that_ Dodgers, and you kinda can't refuse coz we need your powerful branding." Remember: Gura is a person with a low social battery, but also sponsors love her coz anything with her face/voice on it will sell out guaranteed. It's already great that she didn't quit due to how tiring that all must be for her.
The girls have a ton of sponsorship that's onlt available and known in japan that's why most of the overseas fans are in the dark and are usually scratching their heads. Some sponsorships needs the talent to be present at the site for their input and decisions, I remember there one such thing when they collab w/ a sushi resto where the girls each tasted the products and decides if it's good enough or in need of adjustments. Cover gives that much power to the girls when they do sponsorships. The trips to sponsors doubles as their vacation trip like the ones on watame's have a nice day skit, where she vlogs her trip w/ other holomems. The one w/, Irys is a good example, they also had relaxing onsen on the side of work. Trips overseas also takes a lot of time, 3rd gen to europe is one such example, it was funded by the company for the talent's enjoyment at the same time video content for the official channel.
TF with these comment did you really finish the vid or even understand what she is saying? All the things that she mention are from the past maybe thats why hololive created Dev_is learn to connect the dots id**ts
Wow, people really are stupid, huh? "Aqua left because she was tired of idol activities", people say it with so much confidence yet her new persona is extremely idol oriented, it's written in plain text everywhere on her channel. She has always loved idol activities throughout her Holo career, all her original songs are about that. Oh yeah and Ame definitely hated idol activities, that's why she... added exclamation point for "Idol!" in her YT bio before her departure? Made a whole damn 3D studio to sing and dance on her new persona? And her first event appearance will be in a 3D live and it will be a song specifically? If you watched streams you'd know that despite their different problems all Holo members, present and past, feel gratitude towards Hololive first and foremost. It all simply boils down to if you're fine with working in more corporate setting and having more things to worry about (which is unavoidable at some point considering Hololive growth), or not. It's not like Hololive forces them to do anything. You don't HAVE to do 3D lives, on the contrary, it's something most talents want themselves, they have a quota of lives Cover can sponsor for them and if they want to do more they pay out of their pocket. They wouldn't pay tons of money for something they dislike, right? Almost all members have said that performing with other Holomems on stage is one of their dreams/goals. Same for songs and albums. And there were instances of some people skipping even the company/branch wide lives, and I'm absolutely certain they can even skip Holofes if they really want/need to. I'm sick of people saying some members dislike idol stuff ("they are not singing oriented, let them just stream!!") when those same members stated that they wanted to do a certain song or a 3D live countless times, or that they put lots of effort to improve their singing. Merch gets discussed with talents themselves so it's up to you if you want to spend time signing limited editions or not. Most jobs like sponsorships, collabs with other companies, voicepacks are VOLUNTARY, JP girls talked about it multiple times. Even streaming hours don't seem to have any lower or upper limits because there are Gura and Shion and then there are Koyori and Kaela.
I won't even go into these other topics because it will fall on dead ears, but: - streaming less than before in Holo doesn't diminish your success and financial value at all; - restrictions are not a bad thing because like 80% of vtuber drama and downfalls of vtubers and even entire companies is due to loose restrictions and/or managers not being attentive enough and not doing their job properly; - if you think Holomems have their creativity severely held down, or that there are too few cool events and unconventional streams, the most likely problem is that you just don't know about them; - going indie from a corpo is quite literally like opening your own business vs being a hired worker. Both have pros and cons, and if you simplify it to "corpo bad, strict rules, indie good for creative types!" you probably didn't ever have a job. For instance, at least at JP side it's not like they get tons of freedom after going indie because JP viewers are much less forgiving than western audiences. A single controversy not handled properly can kill their career for years to come. Hololive's strength is that it's a box: even if you're not very popular you're lifted up by more successful members, if you're caught up in a controversy the company shields you to an extent. Towa took a huge hit when she lied about male voice being her manager back in 2020 but she's successful, loved by all members, has lots of music and even had her sololive now. I really, REALLY doubt that would be the case if she was indie.
I agree that hololive needs more entertainment/streaming as that's what pulled most of the people into hololive. But I guess it's not sustainable enough that they need a safe and stable way to keep their profits up or else they will crumble xD.
I think Pekora has it in the right here. Streaming is Hololive's core strength, and Pekora would know a thing or two about that. While it is nice to see more "artist" in the company, streaming is fundamental. "I feel that it's better for Hololive to have more exciting streams." Honestly, that's what I feel has been declining since even Coco's departure... Not that they need to do ever more yabai or outrageous things, but we are starting to feel slowing innovation in stream ideas.. It's zatsu, game, or karaoke... Those fun prank, those spontaneous collabs, mostly thing of the past, but those were the things that excited us and kept us engaged, not wanting to miss a minute of it. Every bad company will begin to prioritize "safety" and "stability" as they grow bigger, but that is more often than not at the cost of innovation and creativity. "If Pekora was a powerful person, things would be different." This one hurts. In a single line we can feel her frustration as a creator, and probably contemplation to follow the Aqua path... Marine had shared similar sentiment in the past. I think Hololive will do well to take more careful consideration in terms of the creative direction from their TOP creators who have great insight into what the fans want.
I think there is a growing divide in COVER between the talents and the investors. I feel the investors are old hats of traditional media - people who uphold the Japanese Idol Culture that has grown in the past 30 years. The talents are more new media - strong streaming foundations that drive all the other activities including the occasional concert. The divide is that while the talents want to stream more (partly why Aqua & Ame left), the company wants to focus more on idol activity (Training, Concerts, Music, Radio, TV Shows). What faces Yagoo now that will decide the fate of Hololive is how much he pulls in either direction - if he ends up pulling too much in one direction, he risks the wrath of investors who pull their money or risks having talent leave. It’s not an envious position to be in, one that puts the staff in the line of fire of both sides.
IMO, non-streaming income is more stable and predictable while streams are volatile hence the partial focus on non-streaming activities. I think they're aiming for an equal split between streaming/merchandise/concerts income wise.
@@rubikscube3462 it’s not creative writing, as that would imply there is zero fact in this. Even the most ardent Hololive Supports have to admit that Hololive has its issues unique to itself, otherwise we wouldn’t have Talent departing such as Aqua, Ame, Coco, and Sana. That said, everything I have said is conjecture based on fact, and thus is only my opinion on how things are going. I would be surprised if we find out what is happening behind COVER’s curtain, corporate operations shouldn’t be out in the public sphere (and when they do, people get fired, including talent like Rushia & Mel.)
In this comment section, I feel like you comment is the most reasonable one. Your conjecture does make things fit a lot nicer. A lot of people don't understand probably because they don't get how big the downfall would be of a huge company like Hololive if the heads act irresponsibly and just let talents do whatever. That's why stability is necessary. But the soul is still in the talents, the streamers and their ideas. Without it, everything else is just hollow.
@@Anim3Gamer Focus more on idol activity your ass. This year they just reduce 3Dlive quota for talent from 2 per years to 1 per years lmao. You just can't blame "Idol Culture" for everything you don't like.
I saw a lot of commented coming from the tourist that doesn't understand the full situation. Bruh watch the full video before commenting lol. "tHiS iS pRObAbLy wHY Aqua LefT"
"Stability" should be considered as well as enjoyment, maybe even more than. We lost many _good_ members because of how unstrict they were, I'd rather prefer the strict ways too. But I also believe that this has become somewhat too strict now.
Honestly it is kinda shame that Pekora is heavily restrained. It is understandable and I get that Hololive is really big now. But I feel a little bad that Pekora cannot do things that she wants. There is huge potential in Pekora as a streamer and entertainer. She clearly wants to experiment and play many more games. But as she said herself she is okay with that. So I am glad to hear that all of these restrictions are not affecting her in a bad way. She is clearly enjoying herself. Glad she talked about this topic. Love Pekora!
@@goldgunscantshoot973I don't really know how it is back then but they can't exactly play any game they want because they need to get approval from the game company too
You can’t use the same word to describe the relationship both ways. That’s incorrect. The established members now can have some portion of that same audience if they were to leave, but it’s a fact that Hololive is much much bigger than any of the talents. As is shown by constant additional members, you can lose some members and they can be replaced with new members, new audience, new fans.
Is Pekora considered as OG member of Hololive? Because I hear alot of people saying that pre Gen 3 is the OG era. Like Gen 0, Gen 1, Gen 2. Everything changed with Gen 3 so I am curious is Pekora considered OG member like Fubuki or Miko?
From my opinion. Gen 3 is what really changed hololive and helped it gain tremendous attraction.. with pekora and marine boasting highest yt female streamer views at one point and rushia used to be the most donated vtuber ever.. so you could say that gen 3 is hololives ace but gen 0 is whats been holding everything together
I guess it depends on the perspective of the viewer. I discovered Hololive around half a year after Gen 4 debuted. I remember one of the earliest clips I watched was Kanata and Pekora screwing around in Super Bunny Man, and seeing Pekora as the senpai there kinda established her as an OG in my eyes. At this point, you could probably consider the industry pre-boom era to be kind of OG, which would be around this period as well.
At the time gen 3 debutted they had 3 powerhouses (marine, rushia, and peko) while the other 2 (flare, noel) wasn't that far from them. Up until holoX they were probably the most successful generation, at the time boasting the highest number of subs and views (not including gura).
Depend on people's standard of what makes OG. For me? Yes! The reason? Because my standards about OG is when they stop 'hiring' talent by scouts. Gen 3 is the last gen which includes talent without audition (which is Pekora and Rushia). After gen 3, every gen member is by audition (at least from what I know).
i discovered Suisei, back when she had her first model, very janky, but cute, i think pekora is more of a game changer mostly, with marine, rushia back then, especially when Coco came in to play aswell, it changed alot, when the majority of the west found hololive was either through pekora or coco, they blew up, as for myself, wife told me about hololive, and i began to watch suisei first, then miko, bit of sora, then i found fubuki and she slowly became my oshi as of today, everyone in hololive has different gimmicks, to appeal to mostly anyone, and that is what makes hololive amazing imo.
Even the most unhinged exHolo (Rushia) nor the exHolo with the most right to trash Hololive (Kaichou) has ever said anything bad about Hololive. Meanwhile none of the exNijis had anything nice to say about Nijisanji. They can't ever directly say anything about their ex-corpo, but hints are a thing. Clearly Hololive is doing something right. In case you didn't know, back in 2020 the meme "Hololive is a black company... For the staff" came about coz Holomem kept being told to stream _less_ and wouldn't comply until they are forced to take breaks. What kinda company forces their contractors to take breaks? Hololive, that's who. Life as a Holomem isn't all rainbows and butterflies but they're the best paid vtubers in the industry, constantly hounded (yes, hounded) to take proper care of themselves, banters with members of management and claims that all their coworkers are nice people. If that's not an ideal workplace then idk what is.
They can go on and on about how much they love they place and you folks will still invent reasons to strike at the group. Thankfully the talents know better than you.
Streaming need some creative to make it alive and popular, everyone keep streaming on karaoke, same game streaming or just sc chatting is easily getting bored over again Think about it, when new game come out like Pokemon SV, almost every members play it streaming. It's already repetitive by a first few streaming
There are times when i think "what would it be like, if Pekora goes indie.. She would be 100% free and go rampage, it could be something else and i would love to see it.!" but at the same time, it won't be the same without the mischievous rabbit. Its a complicated feeling
doubt, cause nowadays not many of the Holomem even interested or even logged into MC anymore. We had Fauna this morning logged in just to build her tree with Shiori and nerissa dropping by to help, but that's about it. If Peko gonna prank new members, it probably gonna be another time limited server game project like GTA, MC, ARK, etc. Since that's the better format for those games now.
That is not what she said Her quote was, "As long I am sti here, you can trust Cover." That doesn't say if she leaves one day , Hololive is not worth of trust. But the inverse. Fubuki is heavily implied to be some sort of consultant for Cover, and she will fight back on terrible decisions. She was the one who suggested one gen. of gamers to begin with, shifting one of the main cores of the agency, focusing more on stream and gameplay. Now Cover, after the success of Suisei, Marine, Calli, and others, is very focused on the musical side of the project. Producing high-quality originals with renowned artists and putting out big concerts. That can be very frustrating for people who love streaming above everything else, like Pekora. But Fubuki herself is shifting towards the new chances, preparing herself to her first Sololive concert. Pekora, in fact, also did a Sololive not so long ago. Context matters. Be careful before misquoting.
Hololive have enough members to not force all of them to do something they don't agree with tbh. It's time to separate the streamer focused vtubers and the idol focused vtubers again.
Its true a few people are bringing up Aqua, but you're the one randomly bringing up Sakuna Yuuki here just to insult her, lmao. You also obviously don't watch her when you're yapping about how she has no dreams and whatnot. 😂
I sure hope Cover knows what it's doing. The changes were palpable after the company went public. But concerned fans were shouted down as "antis" whenever we pointed this out. Well, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong ; can't take many more of these "graduations".
Hololive is the biggest Vtuber group so I think they know what they are doing, the graduation of all the members that happened until today was a result of their own actions or their own will, or do you think it would be right to force Aqua and A-chan not to leave?
Black company? The company that actually has proper rev share with talents? That actually pays a base salary? That has always allowed talents to do outside work at the same time? Damn dude I'm not trying to just glaze Cover, I'm not saying they are perfect, but you are being way too quick to doom Cover.
The investors and the new management need to stop butting in where they don't belong. They are not responsible for the success of the company, the talents are. Right now, it feels like their corporate approach is going to sink this company.
Yeah it quite obvious that hololive is changing their priority.. they focus more on idol activity that's why there is so many concert happening.. maybe this is why aqua quits hololive.. it really is how the talent accept the change.. but just like pekochan said streaming is fundamental for them it's how their attract viewer..
If this is your impression, it seems to me more like she left simply because she no longer felt like having to work so much on side activities like dance classes and recordings. Apparently, she wants to work at her own pace and more focused on just streaming.
Shortly said, the OG member still want to stick to daily streaming, the newest member want to get fame at shortest time , the company want to keep producing talent . Man, that's not a Good sign at all .
It's time for her to reincarnate just like Aqua tbh, she might say she has nothing but gratitude, but the reality is that the veterans have it hard adapting. This because the Tatemae. basically, a social mask they are forced to wear and pretend that everything's ok.
3:17 "If Pekora was a powerful person, things would have been different."
From any other VTuber, that line would be inspirational and exciting. From Pekora, it's terrifying.
It's the same wieght as Kim jong Un saying if I just have control over america. XD
On contrary. Something tells me we would still have Aqua with us.
@@mercenary128v2 Wait, Aqua left Hololive?
@@PrisonMike196 You literally live under a rock
@@mercenary128v2 I have been for the past couple of years concerning Hololive at least
More people need to see this after Fauna and Chloe’s graduation.
Fauna’s graduation is a hard one, while she is not affiliated with Hololive anymore, unlike Ame and Chloe
I don't understand the things you said. Especially the second sentence.
Pekochan be like "I want to explode watermelons with rubber-bands!!!" Manager breaking into cold sweat: " ... maybe ... let's do it later?"
Pekora auction was funny to watch. Many holomem crazed for their oishi. 😂
I don't get why explodey watermelon would be a thing to worry about. In fact, wasn't it done before?
@@MrCh0o You say that, but someone actually died doing this lol. It was a freak accident, but it did really happen.
@@luka188 Well, I definitely didn't know _that_ 😂
"Hololive... has changed, Peko. " -Old Pekora, Hololive Solid 4
Pekora is one of the early "high energy" members that is still with us. It's hard to be the energetic one, or even the literal end boss (like in Rust), so much of the time, but Pekora threaded the needle and seems to be in a pretty stable place. Which is great! She's amazing, and helped to define an entire "type" of holomem.
I can only assume she's that much into it
The thing is, What Pekora's manager said back then was absolutely correct.
"Hololive need stability and safety more than hype and excitement" need to be emphasized at the time.
They might seems too strict right now, But that's just an appropriate countermeasure after how much they have been through in 2020-2022
Why was the perms so strict? Because the last time it wasn't this strict, We almost lost Mio's entire channel. more than half of the video and stream from before that time were privated or deleted. Maybe they're just overreacting, But who knows if they ever have to go through that again.
Is the current Hololive stable and safe enough yet? Probably. But for these thing you can't never be too sure.
Exactly my thought, maybe it is to strict a place for some of the talents at times, but I’d rather they have that safety net in place before they risk a fall and it’s not like Hololive doesn’t understand that sometimes the talents need to take a step back and focus on themselves and what they want to do the most and so they try to accommodate that to the best of their ability I feel like
one thing for sure, STOP SPAMMING NEW MEMBERS for a while.
ID branch is a good example. no more new gens.
the chats being a jerk. wanting a new gens. hey people. if u want new gens, that means you already tired to the current members. that's rude to old membs, u know...
nijisanji already a proof about this kind of stuff.
DONT SPAM SO MANY VTUBERS IN SUCH A SHORT TIME.
and NEED TO RETIRE THE OLD MEMBS FIRST BEFORE ADDING NEW GENS.
even tho it's sad to see akua and ame retired, but that gives hololive a bit of chance to release a new gen. for a stability.
now seems cover, both holo live and stars, need to make it like... ONE GEN ONE YEAR. like really. like proper school system. kouhai-senpai thingy
advent, justice, regloss 1 and 2, are not necessarily needed for the past year. i mean it's okay if they already got the names. but fuwamoco and others need to be like.. wait for another semester or another year after the audition to be able to join the group.
the sad thing is, whenever I typed some comments like.. 'retirement' thing, some ppl be like thinking I'm a hater or it's some bad comment. I'm not. and I can say that I'm already a veteran fan. the fact is like that. old gens need to retire for new gens to enter. and I think 2025 is such a good/pretty number for some special events including graduation/retirement. that's also why I predict probably 2025 more vtubers gonna retire. and debuting.
People forget that Hololive started out back when VTubing was a VERY novel concept, back when people were throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it'd stick. There were no rules about how to do stuff, so the guys at Cover had to adapt as they went to avoid shit hitting the fan. And that didn't even work half the time (dare I mention the 6th member of Gen 0? Or the Coco incident?). Now that the rules have been established, yeah, things are a lot more corporate now, but they pretty much HAVE to, lest they let history repeat itself and eventually cause their downfall. That's why Nijisanji (and many other firms) is drowning, lord knows how many skeletons there are in the closet that we haven't heard of yet.
> Hololive needs stability and safety.
Funny thing to read after the BiliBili shit that happened in June but ok
The only thing I'd "criticize" is the lack of chill attitude towards collab with their male colleague. I know I know it 's purely the girls choice but maybe make new EN gen with specific aim to bridge hololive and holostars. Or at least a gen with all member chill with collabing with holostars
pekolive audition sounds amazing
anything that gets you closer to Pekomama sounds amazing
It's simple. Pekora is an incredible, unique, amazing being.
Oh yes! Pekomami is Pekolive Gen Zero!
We ARE FOREVER NOUSAGI,can support Of Pekochan stream
We are I am. Forever.
Pekora, i love you.
🐇2.
she's feeling her age
it's not easy being 110++ years old
She is actually 11111111 years old. Pekoland citizens add a 1 behind their age every year according to Pekora Hime.
i see what you did there "ito"
@@isoladailies But wasn't there at least one zero there initially
She’s been 110 since the day she was born…..
@@araarashinigami But now she's 111 + Alpha... then Trivia mode, her Birthday is 1-12
The fact that pekora wants to do all kind of exciting things but can't means we haven't seen pekora's full potential and she still has a ton of crazy ideas waiting to be shown on stream. I'm glad she is as motivated as ever still despite already reaching the top of the streaming world and also glad she is my oshi
not everyone can hit no.1, she deserve good rest
Streaming allows not only the talents to become closer and build bonds between them and their fans (Which is something that is rare with Hololive vs. other Idol companies) but also a way for them to destress. The concerts, and everything else is great and brings a lot of money and work for the company but streaming is what got us all into Hololive.
I think it's incredible how people have the ability to easily change the meaning of things, Pekora is commenting on the new members and how things have changed on Hololive over time, just like all the old members have been doing on their streams, and a lot of people appear who think she's complaining, unhappy with the way Hololive has become.
doomers gotta doom, nothing unusual
Exactly, it's already pretty exhausting hearing all the false narratives they come up with; even when the talent themselves debunk them (like Aqua), they still keep at it
Though I agree. You can also complain about things but still love said things. Sometimes the people who love something the most are also the ones that complain the most because they want to see it perform well.
Not saying here that Pekora complains a lot but even if she did it would be fine. She has her view on things, other members have theirs and then the company might have a different view as well. There's bound to be creative clashes and complaints here and there that we don't know of nor should know.
What I'm trying to say I guess is that complaining is fine if you do it out of genuine interest and care for the thing you do.
gotta drive engagement somehow, members saying "it's neat to see how hololive has changed over time, im glad that with the current state of the company i can do the things i like at my pace :)" doesnt get as many clicks as framing it as if members are saying "HOLOLIVE HAS CHANGED... FOR THE WORSE... CLICK TO FIND OUT HOW..."
honestly, it can be both, we will never know. maybe you're right and Pekora is just talking about the new gen and stuff but MAYBE, just maybe she too is contemplating about the CONS of Hololive's change. Im not trying to twist what Pekora is talking about, im saying there is a possibility.
One of the thing I get is she wants more games to stream but not accepted.
I'm not really certain what "I want to do this and that" in the context of fun and exciting streams, and what kind of perms she needs to do that.
To this pace... If hololive will make a VTuber academia, Pekora will be a teacher or the headmaster.
no.... please.... haha. she can be the vice but not headmaster haha
there is already a certain dragon headmaster before
No headmaster, OE Teacher maybe 🤔
My VTuber Academia;
Imagine if she would never retire and her avatar would be slowly transforming into Pekomama's
pekora is clearly the kind of girl who loves streaming and chat and her job in general, so obviously she "overworks" herself. but it's clear there is no pressure from inside holo to force her to stream. for example compare pekora's demeanor to nijisanji members who are openly unhappy. even if she was faking it, she wouldn't act like this
Doesn't this sound like it's related to all the recently announced graduations? Minato Aqua, Amelia Watson, Ceres Fauna, Sakamata Chloe..... right after A-chan left, and Yozora Mel was terminated
And Pekora said she accepted the change at that point.
Check randon's rant, and honestly as a corpo man myself, it's actually understandable.
The bigger the company, the harder it'll be if it fall, that's why aiming for stability is 'correct', and cover is steering more toward risk-averse right now.
Watson seems to want to increase her tech repertoire, and Fauna probably can't do ASMR again as of now, ASMR seems to be in grey-zone according to the whimsical YT rule.
@@ArchAzrael79 The problem is precisely growth. They talk about stability while wanting to grow too much. They're trying to grow instead of being stable. It's better to be stable and small than to try to grow and ruin everything.
3:10 Peko-chan is being humble of how influential and powerful she has become. So powerful she could accidentally DDoS some unsuspecting sites and also to the point most of her ideas would easily get the "Go" signal from the management so that she doesn't get her motivation slide down. A very huge chunk of Hololive would disappear if she left. Same with Miko, Marine, Subaru, Koyori, Suisei and other with constant high viewership.
I figure she was talking about her personality, not the de facto influence (though I guess the "small fry" is a bit strange to use in that case, but maybe that's just a translation thing?)
I just saw this yesterday 18/Nov, calling herself a smol fry.
Today I wake up to her being nominated for content creator of the year 2024. Good times peko!~
You know, it makes a lot of sense. HoloLive needed to establish a core audience and a footing on the scene before it could expand, so it made sense to be a little more restrictive. And when Pekora says Staff members were less "you can't do that" and more "let's try this later", it shows they had at the very least some forward thinking regarding where the company should go. And you can tell by the progression of each new group, one more unhinged than the last. In the best waym of course.
YAGOO was digging for gold, found gold, diamonds, platinum and is now cooking with nuclear energy.
pekoGOAT
I take back my last comment..... Now with fauna leaving maybe there's something to this.
Just hope pekora stays.... She's the goat for me lol! If she leaves lots are gonna crash out for sure!
She'll probably graduate on idol activities first at this point
Though I do think as a company it makes more sense for them to expand into the idol side though as in Japan its such a huge financial market ranging from ads to concerts and tv appearances. But as a listener, I do agree with her. I'm not super into all of their idol side of things, I love more of their game streams events like hologta and minecraft events. I do listen to some of the members music but that's about it.
But I can see a total reverse fan who only like the idol side and less of the live streams.
I think with how things are going, it might split the base as the type of activities will attract different fan base. I assume that is why cover did the dev_Is branch as eventually it might be healthier for cover to divide the company to be idol side and gaming side as both are equally time consuming and needs a different kind of support system.
From what I know Dev_is branch also expects their livers to do dance and singing lesson on regular basis which might turn off some of the liver who sign before the company was going down the idol route.
I talked about this elsewhere, but you can actually look at something like the monthly streaming hours and you won't really find much of a disparity between the streaming hours this October compared to say, October 2021. I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding in what Pekora is saying and people are jumping to something that is both negative and not true.
It's not that they have less time to streaming, it's just that the whole activity is busier than it was a few years ago, and Chloe cites getting busier as one of the reasons for her graduation.
istg, you can see the people incapable of thinking about the logistics behind every Holomembers streaming whenever clips like this pops up. It's usually the naive teens who thinks Hololive talents work = indies work or the adults who haven't worked a single day
what I like about hololive is the management about how their talents are always to be in good terms. no drama, no fighting, just happy life and entertaining audience. we need that in life
I'm thinking that maybe this is why aqua left, maybe she wants to do the idol stuff at her own pace, not because she hates doing the idol stuff.
Peko-live aidoru
Pekora always has interesting ideas ans things to stream, always!
To me, it just sounds like they wanted Pekora to ahave safer streaming schedule
If Hololive needs stability and safety, maybe consider focusing on the current active members or talents first before recruiting more.
War. War has changed.
People really going to just latch onto Pekora being restricted and assume she's unhappy, when she straight up says she's happy and shares her excitement on a stream idea at the end of the clip.
Also, I'm a believer that youtube is to blame for why hololive has to play it safe at times.
"Also, I'm a believer that youtube is to blame for why hololive has to play it safe at times. "
It's true. Anyone that was around in 2019 ~ early 2020 were probably aware that a number of talents made "sub channels" because of RUclips constantly hitting their videos, shadow banning them, etc. Choco was actually top of her gen sub wise until YT started hitting her for her ASMR. After the Mio thing in 2020 they really had to tighten up as if a channel actually got banned it's unclear what exactly that'd mean for Hololive because of who it is that makes the channels.
And even now YT is randomly deleting over half of the Flow Glow girls' sub counts because their oh-so-perfect algorithm overlord can't distinguish a major channel debut from bot activity...
I feel like streaming should be the priority. Streaming is essential and crucial for them to build a fanbase, which would lead to bigger merch sales if they have a large fanbase.
i saw the company report of hololive, now big chunk of the profit is from merchandise not from live stream anymore, i guess this is what the company shift is, sure live stream revenue is uncertain and volatile, while pushing hololive as a whole with activity and sell more merch probably more sustainable for the company
yea, streaming wasn't the main goal of hololive in the first place lol it was just that hololive's boom was attributed to everyone being stuck at home making it seem like hololive is just like nijisanji being just a streaming and entertainment company. Yagoo himself had bigger goals in mind than settling for just streaming so it's kinda understandable some people are having a whiplash of some sort with how it's going now, this was the plan from the start.
I understand that, but streaming is how you meet the talents, you get attached to them, you become their fan, etc. At least I haven't found anyone because of the concerts or the music.
Streaming is important. A good example is Gura, she barely streams anymore, and honestly my interest in her dropped quite a bit because of that.
Streaming has never been about money. It's for exposure to get new people to buy your other stuff. It's why every streamer has a merch line
You're late, it's been like that for years. The reason why the talents shill their merch is that they have a better cut on merch than superchats, coz with merch they just have to split it between Cover and themselves, meanwhile with superchats they have to give youtube its share. Conversely, it's the reason why NijiLivers barely talk about their merch: 2% is all they get, why are they gonna bother?
The Holomem that stream a lot are the ones that like streaming in the first place. The ones that don't... Welp, either don't like it for some reason (they might prefer a balanced irl and vtuber life) or they're just that busy.
Well they came very far from where they started, but they're still aware there r many companies in JP still going against them for many reasons, it's not like they forced to, it was a last resort
90% of comments never watch her streams.
Among high portion of them don’t watch short clips,
and straight up comment by reading titles.
Some watch the beginning of this clip,
and start twisting a few words with a sauce called imagination.
What a chaos lmao
like you
Pretty much all the controversy with Hololive is caused entirely by people who barely watch clips and make up a whole narrative. And if you're a fan that actually watches the streams and try to correct them they will dismiss you as a parasocial simp.
@@burrihurri If only I could understand Japanese and Indonesian (and be able to watch while working or while asleep), then I would be able to watch and understand the full context of the JP and ID streams (at least for the ID streams when they aren't speaking much English)
Just explain if you know about context, not just laugh
Whole bunch of antis in the clip.
Oh hey. You opened the comment section for this video.
People are saying a lot in this comment section so I want people to think beyond the talents for a bit. According to Cover's website, as of June of 2023 Cover had 409 employees, a year + later there's even more people involved. Remember, this is at least 409 real people who their lives depend on that company. In my opinion, letting talents do whatever they want would be wildly irresponsible not only in a business sense but also in a moral sense. A company that big needs to have a clear and safe direction. Does money plays a part in that? Of course, they're a company after all. But things are not black and white, there's always more than Cover is becoming a good or bad company.
It's like they forget that staff-san and manechan-tachi are Cover employees, which need to get paid too. Whenever they balk at Cover taking "the girls' hard-earned money" I just wanna wallop them and say "some of that money goes to Henma, and we both know the guy deserves it!" 😂
new financial report just dropped, it's 600 employee now
@@HudaefCares In all honesty, the cut Cover takes is probably still much less than an indie would have to pay for the same services. Manager for full coordination of all activities, moderation teams, legal representatives, tech support, technical infrastructure, a base salary, zero-interest loans for projects, access to their vast network of artists and sponsors, etc. - all of that allows the talents to focus a lot more on their content. For many that's an easy tradeoff.
also Japan is crazy with their legal system, remember when they deleted or archoved entire channels because of copyright. Not to mention youtube is as sensitive as you can be. They definitively have to consider a lot of things to keep hololive being able to produce the content we love and Im thankful for their work
That's very similar to the manga industry. Torishima (Akira Toriyama's editor) used to say: "You can't let the mangaka draw whatever they want."
Considering how he immediately banned Yudetamago after he took over, no wonder Toriyama hated him
I feel like there needs to be a middle ground between content creators and the people who manage them.
Yes, talents should be free to explore what they want and not feel caged, but give a creative mind too much freedom and you get the painfully long drama of "is this the final arc for Rent A Girlfriend?".
@@ultrahotwings9738 Just the right amount of barriers also creates makes the creation process worthwhile. One of the best ways t acheive happiness is to overcome not unknown barriers. You overcome it and if it's a legit barrier you feel happy in overcoming said barrier
@@EndoftheBeginning17 exactly! The common saying is that Restriction Breeds Creativity. A good editor or manager will help laser focus the creator to keep the main thing as the main thing by taking the creative stream and focus it into a powerwashing jet that can break through what a creator alone might not be able to. A bad editor or manager will be nothing but a obstacles that hinder the creative flow without any productive result..
@@ultrahotwings9738 And on the opposite side lack of resrictions can lead to the kitchen sink problem and scope creep. Leading to experiences of "Y thing would be really good if they focused on a few core concepts rather than continuing to add new ideas all the time" (even if said new ideas are all good) or "B show would have been so good if it had ended a few seasons ago rather than trying to keep it going".
A way to sum it up as an opposite example to "restriction breeeds creativity" could be the saying "perfect is the enemy of good enough". Just make something and commit to it rather than trying to chase after ever expanding heights. Because in failing to achieve perfection you might make a mess that isn't even good enough.
Man can't go watch any clips anymore without seeing antis making claims about Aqua that are demonstably untrue.
pekora says that she has changed from stream addiction to her own pace, but the way i see it, pekora has always been her own pace but only realizes it now that the company she is in has grown and become a better place.
basically, pekora is in a good position to rule the world with ease
Aye. Said it elsewhere, but her streaming hours are generally around the same as they were 3-4 years ago. People are making really overblown, doom-posty statements in the comments.
Japan has laws that are disadvantaged to streamers in general, the fact there was a talk that streamers should split their ad revenues to the game developers should be alarming how crazy things are in Japan, so makes sense why Hololive wants to move towards "artists"
this is the first time i heard about split revenue, that is crazy
@@blackz5040 there was a discussion, a lot of people agreed, a lot of people disagreed, but the fact it was a discussion is telling
drama vultures out here trying to make something out of nothing again
That comment didn't aged well
Just my two cents, Hololive gets more revenue from merchs so of course they will shift their focus on how to sell more than to improve the streaming part since its just up to the talents' creativity to do things on stream (with restrictions); And so far I think their biggest goal is Suisei, Hololive and other companies are now trying to recreate another Suisei stardom success. I also think that is the reason for DEV_IS existence but to me they just can't recreate Suisei's success at all. She did all things as a trailblazer accompanied with luck, experimenting new things, and also hardwork which is a given.
If Cover succeeds on creating their XR/RPG Game paired with their own hardware, they will be unstoppable at that point and become big as any other tech companies for sure.
I do agree that hololive has indeed changed, essentially reverting back to their original direction of pushing their virtual idol stuffs forward, playing things safe to avoid too many complications, legal or otherwise. Still, with how much of absolute comedians our favorite holo girls can sometimes turn into, and how familiar we've grown with that particular aspect over the years, I hope that shifting back into their original direction doesn't completely wipe that "fun" aspect away from the holo girls and alienate too many viewers.
Hololive didn't switch to an idol path until the gap between Gamers and Gen 3. After this they blew up. That being said the streaming hours of many members is around the same as it was 3-4 years ago. If someone wants to stream, they stream. People need to stop doom posting. The talents can literally say they're happy and people will still come into the comments and go wild with negative theories.
I see a lot of anti on this comment section twisting Pekora's word with their own narrative. With the clickbait thumbnail and people who comment first before watching the whole clip, it attracts antis like flies on a sh*t.
Yeah lots of Hololive antis trying to chip at the reputation of the group by spreading whatever false narratives they can.
I won't pretend that I am familiar with what really goes on in Cover Corp but I understand very well the importance of shifting moderation due to growth, both the pros and cons.
For me, at least, I already see that kind of situation with Suisei very clearly over the years. Her name is now more of a Business-Tier Brand than just a mere name which means she really can't risk doing anything that could ruin that momentum of gaining promotions (such as playing with her "Psychopath" Persona).
The more you handle more added things in a collective (such as having new Talents Debut as Gens), the more likely those things can screw up the whole collective due to the lack of attentiveness so rules getting tighter is not a surpise.
While I am happy for their progress as of now, I hope that Cover Corp does not one day "fly to close to the sun" when it comes to their development.
At the same time, we, the Viewers, should also not be surprised that we see Talents decide to see different paths in the future (such as what we saw with Aqua and Ame) since we now have so many that have been with Cover for more than 4 years now and that we have so many, each with their own personal limits (which do not even include simply retiring due to old age).
Damn y'all are bunch of doomers lol A lot of the projects Hololive put out recently is proof that they still know how to please both their audiences and talents. EnReco, GTA server, Breaking Dimensions, the Dodgers collab, have all been highly praised by fans and talents alike. Aqua and Ame graduating/going seperate directions was a long time coming already.
Can't help but think of Gura. I agree with Pekora that streaming should be fundamental. Gura has been gone for so long that I feel like she's no longer a vtuber.
For a few seconds I was like who is Gura again while reading your comment?
Yeah, streaming is the fundamental for the fans and the streamer to know each others. Streaming is like "im still here u know and im doing fine even tho i only streams once a week or a month" and makes the fans still fans, if they take it for granted and never streams most of them will lose interest to the new one that frequently streams. Theres a saying in my place "if a person/generation is incapable doing things God will find a younger person/generation that capable doing the same thing and far better than before".
Gura is more of a concept now lol
im sorry, gura is a number. shes reaching quantum status and is no longer part of hololive while being in hololive
@@Wins0ni think the same
Not only do antis not watch any of the streams, they dont even watch the clips they comment under.
You can tell because it never has anything to do with that the talent says in the clip, just a really farfetched interpretation of the video title.
Wow so many tourist here and it always happen on clip like this that give holo in bad light.
Also how long you guys gonna have the "aqua doesn't want idol work" narrative, it's been months. She even write idol on her new persona, these guys clearly not Aqua crew/livestream watcher/even fully watch clip about her.
That's what happens when you go public company, rip cover
From what I've heard Yagoo did say that it was either going public or selling the company because they were running on venture capital... do you really think things would've been better if they company had gotten sold? Either way we can't know because Yagoo and others decided they weren't going to go down that path. And speculating on something like that is utterly pointless.
@@pohjoisenvanhus The reason doesn't matter, the end result will be the same. That's the problem.
@@zozozozozizizizi I'm tired of the doomposters. I'll listen to what they have to say once they've calmed down from their mass hysteria and turned their brains back on.
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lol why to much hater hololive here? pekora just want stabil and health
"But I have nothing but GRATITUDE". I read it too fast and have a heart attack god damn it
As much as they say merch and stuff are more stable, they need to be reminded that what makes these stuff work are the talents themselves and STREAMING is what make them known and interact with their fanbase in many unique ways which sets them appart from traditional musicians.
It's a bit like what piracy did to many media including games and anime which helped them spread so much there are many people spending on them worldwide as oposed if people only waited for official ofuscated releases or just never consumed them because they weren't aware in the first place. (And also once I got money I bought the things I pirated once, which I believe everyone does for things they really enjoyed)
The talents are still streaming, just not risky stuff that can get them banned. Your point doesn't make sense.
The talents are still streamings tho, it just theh takes more precautious than before cause the past actions could lead some of the members account got banned or dissappear cause of license. You are making a lot of bullshits and if you think members are not streaming then you absolutely mock the members that streamings. Not everyone in hololive is gura, shion or ayame bro
@@diegoflorescartagena4944 we dont know what is considered "risky stuff" except for the very obvious things
This comment section is goofy.
Love your streams 😄😄😊😘💕😍😻😁😺😉
I've been following Pekora for several years and I get a little sad seeing the comments here and the level of her fans. I think that in the whole of Hololive I've never seen another fandom that gets together like this to talk badly about the company that Pekora herself is part of, thinking that they're doing something for Pekora. If Pekora herself saw this, she certainly wouldn't like what she saw at all. I wonder if this increased because of the fic that the people themselves created that Aqua left because she was dissatisfied with how she was treated. In fact, if you take into account the things that Sakuna says, it seems more like she simply didn't want to have to do the work related to being an idol anymore, which is mandatory since Hololive is also an idol agency. Sakuna has already achieved what she wanted and prefers to work more peacefully at her own, calmer pace and without having much contact with people. If more people watched and paid attention to her streams, they would understand something so simple.
The part about Sakuna not wanting to be an idol is a myth. She has denied it multiple times. Even in her debut trailer , it says in English "This is the place for me to be everyone's idol".
The own calmer pace is true. She has talked about it in her streams. But the idol part is not.
You didn't watch her streams, did you? She's been doing meetings left and right on her own. She's more busy than before, to the point she barely streams games. That's what she gets for not hiring a manager. Her goal is to become 3D and have a 3D live and also have an original song. She was and still is an idol at heart. She just wants to do it on her own and on her own terms. The rumor that she doesn't want to be an idol anymore was already debunked by herself at her graduation stream.
not all here are her fans, some probably just random viewers. and its not talk badly but criticism. pekora strong point is streaming and its her way to relax, so it kinda sad when her time is full of recording and stuff. heck she even sometime have a meeting late at night. cover shouldnt forget that streaming is what make the fan want to buy the merch.
I don't understand why criticize so much as well. Miko should be an example to show that elevating the idol factor within their talents is not a bad thing. Her sololive was beautiful and one of the highlights of the whole year for the company and her fanbase. It's not like they stopped streaming as well, we can attach ourselves to a talent without the need of a stream everyday. It's not black and white, we can have both and be happy. Fubuki will have her sololive as well, we should rejoice that we can see their funny and more relaxed side on stream and their full idol mode on concerts. Pekora will have it someday as well and I hope people will shower her with positive energy, this comment section has too much negative and exaggerated comments.
@@aokikiyoshi Pekora had her sololive already.
uh oh comment section are getting raided by nijisister.
worry about your dying branch instead nijimonkey
I feel like Hololive is forgetting what vtubing culture is all about. Recently they've been focusing heavy on merch, brand deals and collabs. I get it, they're idols, but there's a distinction between "real" and virtual idols. They're really churning out the girls for money, it's obvious why so many are leaving. Hololive isn't the same company they used to be especially with A-chan gone. I believe A-chan really advocated for the girls and kept the company in-line with what vtubing culture has always been.
what hololive need isnt exciting streams but varies of stream contents, girls just play same shits and when one streamer be different than them, fans said they dont belong to hololive.
thats what i thought the management should make streams more varies and help them with those contents than playing safe or too strict.
I can't wait for GTA6 just so I can watch the war criminal in action! 😈🔥🔥🔥
We will get Pekora Live Auditions before we get GTA6
I think its important for hololive to seperate itself from the rest of the Vtuber market with its idol activities but at the same time maybe make a different category for ones that just wanna be goofy and stream, like ame and aqua. The indie scene is booming now, but at its core hololive IS the safe pick, people pick it because its a close enough fan/talent connection without more drama or parasocial roots. Its like complaining disney makes family movies. Glad the more veteran holomems feel safe to talk about this.
i kinda agree with this. pekora love being idol but streaming is what she love more. streaming is rest for her that is why im kinda sad if she said she have works and cannot stream that day
Pekora and her clips are the ones that brought me into vtubers and hololive. So she will forever be my Oishi. To me she is still Hololives biggest star. I adore Pekora.
Jesus Christ what's with these comments? Is like most of them don't even watch Pekora or didn't even bother to watch the clip before commenting
There are many people that wish for the downfall of Hololive.
yeah, to a certain degree I wish clippers would stop posting videos like this. They went from being places to have a certain degree of civil discussion in the comments to nowadays where they've just become a place for antis to fan the flames. If they are going to post clips like this the least they could do is bother to clean up the comments.
Nijisisters
I'm curious about the different "work" that talents do outside of streams.
I have noticed this with several different Holomems, they differentiate between dance/singing lessons and "work". I guess they do voice recordings? Is there really that many sponsorship deals for Cover that talents have to regularly reserve entire days for this sort of thing? What else would they be doing?
Yes, Cover needs to be safe and careful with how big the company is, but they should also keep reminding themselves that the biggest reason for why they are this big in the first place is because of Holomem streaming. The talents should be the first priority.
Mind you most of the time how sponsorships work (according to Holomem) is that management tells them so and so wants to sponsor them, "are you interested?" Most of the time they can say no if they want. There's sponsorships, then merch, then planning for concerts, planning for collabs, recording covers/orisongs, dance practice, not to mention they have private (personal) stuff to do. Some of them have radio shows. (Senchou and Fubuki had one, Suisei has 2, there are also radio shows where Holomem were regular guests) They show up on Japanese TV too btw, occasionally. They also cameo in anime. Betcha didn't know that Suisei and Sora sung anime OSTs for upcoming animes, Suisei's is an anime movie, Sora's is an anime OP theme. (Forgot the anime name for both) Nene has voiced a named character in an anime. She, Subaru and Aqua had a unit named NEGIU that sang an anime ED theme... Crap, I also forgot the name.
And this just what I know. They have a fckton of collabs and sponsorships in Japan. Oh yeah, Korone is Sonic ambassador, Botan and Aqua are Redbull ambassador, (I think Botan is now/also Nissin ambassador _and_ has a collab with a ramen restaurant rn) Miko, Calli and Gura are Tokyo Tourism ambassadors. They also have sponsorships (btw I'm using "sponsorships" and "collabs" interchangeably coz I'm an idiot that doesn't know the difference) in countries like Taiwan and Korea.
Again, this is just what I know and remember. I'm info-dumping right now lmao, sorry for the messy reply.
i believe the so-called "work" are just regular meetings which is non negotiable,
i remember the recent enreco where the whole advent were forced to quit the game and skip the first day interaction because of "work" by management
@@HudaefCares I'd imagine that a lot of the planning/administrative is done by their managers, or at least all the preparations, so that the talents only have to make big decisions/voice their opinions. Why have dozens of managers and hundreds of other staff members if the talents did everything around collabs.
If they really have a lot of sponsorships in Japan then that'd be understandable, regular meetings of course also, it's just a little weird that it often takes a sh*t ton of time but of course I have no idea what gets discussed, so maybe it's necessary
@@Feuerex They have collabs with grocery chains, brands, various restaurants, stores, clothes, gadgets, so on and so forth. Watch Hwikky if you want a sample. He's a Korean vlog maker that goes around visiting Hololive collabs/sponsorships and ofc the concerts. (dw he's bilingual, his videos have eng subs) Even if they only have to nod/shake their head they still have tons of stuff to do. For example Gura had a collab with Sushiro in Taiwan and she had voice lines recorded for it. A few "Sushiro wants you to say this" "Sushiro wants you to say it in this way" "Gura they wanna change some things" and it already sounds tiring, but now an Aquarium in Japan wants your voice lines too, rinse and repeat. (Idk the timeline but those are real collabs btw, apparently Gura visited Taiwan?? But I might be misremembering it) And just when Gura is dead tired suddenly "Gura, we're planning a collab with the LA Dodgers, yes _that_ Dodgers, and you kinda can't refuse coz we need your powerful branding." Remember: Gura is a person with a low social battery, but also sponsors love her coz anything with her face/voice on it will sell out guaranteed. It's already great that she didn't quit due to how tiring that all must be for her.
The girls have a ton of sponsorship that's onlt available and known in japan that's why most of the overseas fans are in the dark and are usually scratching their heads.
Some sponsorships needs the talent to be present at the site for their input and decisions, I remember there one such thing when they collab w/ a sushi resto where the girls each tasted the products and decides if it's good enough or in need of adjustments. Cover gives that much power to the girls when they do sponsorships.
The trips to sponsors doubles as their vacation trip like the ones on watame's have a nice day skit, where she vlogs her trip w/ other holomems. The one w/, Irys is a good example, they also had relaxing onsen on the side of work.
Trips overseas also takes a lot of time, 3rd gen to europe is one such example, it was funded by the company for the talent's enjoyment at the same time video content for the official channel.
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Micomet...? Business...? TNT...?
oh, PEKORA is GOAT 👏
TF with these comment did you really finish the vid or even understand what she is saying?
All the things that she mention are from the past maybe thats why hololive created Dev_is learn to connect the dots id**ts
The answer is likely no and some are also clearly Hololive antis.
Wow, people really are stupid, huh? "Aqua left because she was tired of idol activities", people say it with so much confidence yet her new persona is extremely idol oriented, it's written in plain text everywhere on her channel. She has always loved idol activities throughout her Holo career, all her original songs are about that. Oh yeah and Ame definitely hated idol activities, that's why she... added exclamation point for "Idol!" in her YT bio before her departure? Made a whole damn 3D studio to sing and dance on her new persona? And her first event appearance will be in a 3D live and it will be a song specifically?
If you watched streams you'd know that despite their different problems all Holo members, present and past, feel gratitude towards Hololive first and foremost. It all simply boils down to if you're fine with working in more corporate setting and having more things to worry about (which is unavoidable at some point considering Hololive growth), or not. It's not like Hololive forces them to do anything. You don't HAVE to do 3D lives, on the contrary, it's something most talents want themselves, they have a quota of lives Cover can sponsor for them and if they want to do more they pay out of their pocket. They wouldn't pay tons of money for something they dislike, right? Almost all members have said that performing with other Holomems on stage is one of their dreams/goals. Same for songs and albums. And there were instances of some people skipping even the company/branch wide lives, and I'm absolutely certain they can even skip Holofes if they really want/need to. I'm sick of people saying some members dislike idol stuff ("they are not singing oriented, let them just stream!!") when those same members stated that they wanted to do a certain song or a 3D live countless times, or that they put lots of effort to improve their singing.
Merch gets discussed with talents themselves so it's up to you if you want to spend time signing limited editions or not. Most jobs like sponsorships, collabs with other companies, voicepacks are VOLUNTARY, JP girls talked about it multiple times. Even streaming hours don't seem to have any lower or upper limits because there are Gura and Shion and then there are Koyori and Kaela.
I won't even go into these other topics because it will fall on dead ears, but:
- streaming less than before in Holo doesn't diminish your success and financial value at all;
- restrictions are not a bad thing because like 80% of vtuber drama and downfalls of vtubers and even entire companies is due to loose restrictions and/or managers not being attentive enough and not doing their job properly;
- if you think Holomems have their creativity severely held down, or that there are too few cool events and unconventional streams, the most likely problem is that you just don't know about them;
- going indie from a corpo is quite literally like opening your own business vs being a hired worker. Both have pros and cons, and if you simplify it to "corpo bad, strict rules, indie good for creative types!" you probably didn't ever have a job. For instance, at least at JP side it's not like they get tons of freedom after going indie because JP viewers are much less forgiving than western audiences. A single controversy not handled properly can kill their career for years to come. Hololive's strength is that it's a box: even if you're not very popular you're lifted up by more successful members, if you're caught up in a controversy the company shields you to an extent. Towa took a huge hit when she lied about male voice being her manager back in 2020 but she's successful, loved by all members, has lots of music and even had her sololive now. I really, REALLY doubt that would be the case if she was indie.
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is pekora will follow aqua ?
No. 100% no. She streams the same amount as she did years ago.
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Please explain
I agree that hololive needs more entertainment/streaming as that's what pulled most of the people into hololive. But I guess it's not sustainable enough that they need a safe and stable way to keep their profits up or else they will crumble xD.
I think Pekora has it in the right here.
Streaming is Hololive's core strength, and Pekora would know a thing or two about that.
While it is nice to see more "artist" in the company, streaming is fundamental.
"I feel that it's better for Hololive to have more exciting streams."
Honestly, that's what I feel has been declining since even Coco's departure...
Not that they need to do ever more yabai or outrageous things, but we are starting to feel slowing innovation in stream ideas..
It's zatsu, game, or karaoke...
Those fun prank, those spontaneous collabs, mostly thing of the past, but those were the things that excited us and kept us engaged, not wanting to miss a minute of it.
Every bad company will begin to prioritize "safety" and "stability" as they grow bigger, but that is more often than not at the cost of innovation and creativity.
"If Pekora was a powerful person, things would be different."
This one hurts.
In a single line we can feel her frustration as a creator, and probably contemplation to follow the Aqua path...
Marine had shared similar sentiment in the past.
I think Hololive will do well to take more careful consideration in terms of the creative direction from their TOP creators who have great insight into what the fans want.
I think there is a growing divide in COVER between the talents and the investors. I feel the investors are old hats of traditional media - people who uphold the Japanese Idol Culture that has grown in the past 30 years. The talents are more new media - strong streaming foundations that drive all the other activities including the occasional concert. The divide is that while the talents want to stream more (partly why Aqua & Ame left), the company wants to focus more on idol activity (Training, Concerts, Music, Radio, TV Shows). What faces Yagoo now that will decide the fate of Hololive is how much he pulls in either direction - if he ends up pulling too much in one direction, he risks the wrath of investors who pull their money or risks having talent leave. It’s not an envious position to be in, one that puts the staff in the line of fire of both sides.
Nice creative writing.
IMO, non-streaming income is more stable and predictable while streams are volatile hence the partial focus on non-streaming activities. I think they're aiming for an equal split between streaming/merchandise/concerts income wise.
@@rubikscube3462 it’s not creative writing, as that would imply there is zero fact in this. Even the most ardent Hololive Supports have to admit that Hololive has its issues unique to itself, otherwise we wouldn’t have Talent departing such as Aqua, Ame, Coco, and Sana.
That said, everything I have said is conjecture based on fact, and thus is only my opinion on how things are going. I would be surprised if we find out what is happening behind COVER’s curtain, corporate operations shouldn’t be out in the public sphere (and when they do, people get fired, including talent like Rushia & Mel.)
In this comment section, I feel like you comment is the most reasonable one. Your conjecture does make things fit a lot nicer. A lot of people don't understand probably because they don't get how big the downfall would be of a huge company like Hololive if the heads act irresponsibly and just let talents do whatever. That's why stability is necessary. But the soul is still in the talents, the streamers and their ideas. Without it, everything else is just hollow.
@@Anim3Gamer Focus more on idol activity your ass. This year they just reduce 3Dlive quota for talent from 2 per years to 1 per years lmao. You just can't blame "Idol Culture" for everything you don't like.
Kobo seems to suffer from the same issue too, she barely streams often
she is busy with world tour
She reach Gura level
" Minato AQUA IS RIGHT From a certain point of view"
you can still watch her, her new model look same and her behavior still same , just different name
@@newwayto2323 why don't you say it? are you of those idiots who think of PL or that shit as taboo? she's Sakuna, look her up, or rin chan works too.
I saw a lot of commented coming from the tourist that doesn't understand the full situation. Bruh watch the full video before commenting lol.
"tHiS iS pRObAbLy wHY Aqua LefT"
"Stability" should be considered as well as enjoyment, maybe even more than. We lost many _good_ members because of how unstrict they were, I'd rather prefer the strict ways too. But I also believe that this has become somewhat too strict now.
Honestly it is kinda shame that Pekora is heavily restrained. It is understandable and I get that Hololive is really big now. But I feel a little bad that Pekora cannot do things that she wants. There is huge potential in Pekora as a streamer and entertainer. She clearly wants to experiment and play many more games. But as she said herself she is okay with that. So I am glad to hear that all of these restrictions are not affecting her in a bad way. She is clearly enjoying herself. Glad she talked about this topic. Love Pekora!
This will ruin the company at long term
They won't be as big as their are now if they dont have rules and regulations, dummy
She can't stream the games she want now?
Sounds like you're just putting words in her mouth
@@goldgunscantshoot973I don't really know how it is back then but they can't exactly play any game they want because they need to get approval from the game company too
Talents MAYBE a nobody without Hololive but Hololive is SURELY nothing without their talents. Don't ever forget that.
You can’t use the same word to describe the relationship both ways. That’s incorrect. The established members now can have some portion of that same audience if they were to leave, but it’s a fact that Hololive is much much bigger than any of the talents. As is shown by constant additional members, you can lose some members and they can be replaced with new members, new audience, new fans.
That's how we got reincarnations
You didn't watch the video and probably don't watch Hololive. Stop trying to cause problems for the girls.
Is Pekora considered as OG member of Hololive? Because I hear alot of people saying that pre Gen 3 is the OG era. Like Gen 0, Gen 1, Gen 2. Everything changed with Gen 3 so I am curious is Pekora considered OG member like Fubuki or Miko?
From my opinion. Gen 3 is what really changed hololive and helped it gain tremendous attraction.. with pekora and marine boasting highest yt female streamer views at one point and rushia used to be the most donated vtuber ever.. so you could say that gen 3 is hololives ace but gen 0 is whats been holding everything together
I guess it depends on the perspective of the viewer. I discovered Hololive around half a year after Gen 4 debuted. I remember one of the earliest clips I watched was Kanata and Pekora screwing around in Super Bunny Man, and seeing Pekora as the senpai there kinda established her as an OG in my eyes.
At this point, you could probably consider the industry pre-boom era to be kind of OG, which would be around this period as well.
At the time gen 3 debutted they had 3 powerhouses (marine, rushia, and peko) while the other 2 (flare, noel) wasn't that far from them. Up until holoX they were probably the most successful generation, at the time boasting the highest number of subs and views (not including gura).
Depend on people's standard of what makes OG. For me? Yes! The reason? Because my standards about OG is when they stop 'hiring' talent by scouts. Gen 3 is the last gen which includes talent without audition (which is Pekora and Rushia). After gen 3, every gen member is by audition (at least from what I know).
i discovered Suisei, back when she had her first model, very janky, but cute, i think pekora is more of a game changer mostly, with marine, rushia back then, especially when Coco came in to play aswell, it changed alot, when the majority of the west found hololive was either through pekora or coco, they blew up, as for myself, wife told me about hololive, and i began to watch suisei first, then miko, bit of sora, then i found fubuki and she slowly became my oshi as of today, everyone in hololive has different gimmicks, to appeal to mostly anyone, and that is what makes hololive amazing imo.
The Sign..
I don't like the small fry comment. Makes me think she wants change, but doesn't have the power to do so
She's doing what she wants to do. She's pretty clear about that in the clip.
I really, REALLY don't like to be reminded that hololive, at the end of the day, is corporate. I hope that holomems are treated right.
What's wrong with it being a corporation?
If cover hadn't treated them right, it wouldn't had become such a big company.
Even the most unhinged exHolo (Rushia) nor the exHolo with the most right to trash Hololive (Kaichou) has ever said anything bad about Hololive. Meanwhile none of the exNijis had anything nice to say about Nijisanji. They can't ever directly say anything about their ex-corpo, but hints are a thing. Clearly Hololive is doing something right. In case you didn't know, back in 2020 the meme "Hololive is a black company... For the staff" came about coz Holomem kept being told to stream _less_ and wouldn't comply until they are forced to take breaks. What kinda company forces their contractors to take breaks? Hololive, that's who. Life as a Holomem isn't all rainbows and butterflies but they're the best paid vtubers in the industry, constantly hounded (yes, hounded) to take proper care of themselves, banters with members of management and claims that all their coworkers are nice people. If that's not an ideal workplace then idk what is.
They can go on and on about how much they love they place and you folks will still invent reasons to strike at the group. Thankfully the talents know better than you.
this is not kurosanji where talents treated wrong
Streaming need some creative to make it alive and popular, everyone keep streaming on karaoke, same game streaming or just sc chatting is easily getting bored over again
Think about it, when new game come out like Pokemon SV, almost every members play it streaming. It's already repetitive by a first few streaming
There are times when i think "what would it be like, if Pekora goes indie.. She would be 100% free and go rampage, it could be something else and i would love to see it.!" but at the same time, it won't be the same without the mischievous rabbit. Its a complicated feeling
Just a quick question, is Peko-chan going to prank the new gens in minecraft again? Just like how she did in the past?
doubt, cause nowadays not many of the Holomem even interested or even logged into MC anymore. We had Fauna this morning logged in just to build her tree with Shiori and nerissa dropping by to help, but that's about it.
If Peko gonna prank new members, it probably gonna be another time limited server game project like GTA, MC, ARK, etc. Since that's the better format for those games now.
The problem is that Cover can't make their streamers' contents any funnier
gta' arc.?
@@anomaine that is made by the talents not cover.
Hololive definitely changed. By restricting the idols commissioning art of their chara to only their mama or papa. Probably for the best.
for that , you can blame the r34 artists who made art of members who said they didnt want it
@@notinusesoon4975 i think it's for the merch and promotional stuff. there's nothing really stopping people from commissioning artists for r34
Always remember what Fubuki said. She will quit if Cover does something bad.
Cringe at her words, don't take what she said seriously. That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.
That is not what she said
Her quote was, "As long I am sti here, you can trust Cover." That doesn't say if she leaves one day , Hololive is not worth of trust. But the inverse. Fubuki is heavily implied to be some sort of consultant for Cover, and she will fight back on terrible decisions. She was the one who suggested one gen. of gamers to begin with, shifting one of the main cores of the agency, focusing more on stream and gameplay. Now Cover, after the success of Suisei, Marine, Calli, and others, is very focused on the musical side of the project. Producing high-quality originals with renowned artists and putting out big concerts. That can be very frustrating for people who love streaming above everything else, like Pekora. But Fubuki herself is shifting towards the new chances, preparing herself to her first Sololive concert. Pekora, in fact, also did a Sololive not so long ago.
Context matters. Be careful before misquoting.
@@Han-11-n5l you're cringe, too. Don't worry, nobody cares about you or your opinion.
would actually believe that if she actually quitted
always take things with a grain of salt lads
@@sansnom5269 Damn, well said.
Hololive have enough members to not force all of them to do something they don't agree with tbh.
It's time to separate the streamer focused vtubers and the idol focused vtubers again.
日本語わからん人多いな。ホロライブが炎上しまくってたときの話です。ゲーム許諾とかの時の話ですね。あの時は毎週炎上してたから、今は全く🔥してないから大丈夫です。結城さくなを引き合いに出す人とかわけがわかりません。彼女はホロライブの仕事をしたくない＆夢がないからファンを引き抜いて金だけ稼いでます。
Its true a few people are bringing up Aqua, but you're the one randomly bringing up Sakuna Yuuki here just to insult her, lmao. You also obviously don't watch her when you're yapping about how she has no dreams and whatnot. 😂
@@Lacheln9 exactly
You Actually not watching graduate announcement why aqua graduate
How is she stealing fans if those fans originally are hers
Never liked how companies ignore those who are at the front. Never ends well.
cover better hope they're holding 5 aces.
I sure hope Cover knows what it's doing. The changes were palpable after the company went public. But concerned fans were shouted down as "antis" whenever we pointed this out. Well, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong ; can't take many more of these "graduations".
I don't know, from the beginning hololive goals are still the same so ofc it will change their activity...
It's capitalism. Corporations always cannibalize themselves eventually. Some girls have already seen the writing on the wall.
Black company
Hololive is the biggest Vtuber group so I think they know what they are doing, the graduation of all the members that happened until today was a result of their own actions or their own will, or do you think it would be right to force Aqua and A-chan not to leave?
Black company? The company that actually has proper rev share with talents? That actually pays a base salary? That has always allowed talents to do outside work at the same time? Damn dude I'm not trying to just glaze Cover, I'm not saying they are perfect, but you are being way too quick to doom Cover.
The investors and the new management need to stop butting in where they don't belong. They are not responsible for the success of the company, the talents are. Right now, it feels like their corporate approach is going to sink this company.
Yeah it quite obvious that hololive is changing their priority.. they focus more on idol activity that's why there is so many concert happening.. maybe this is why aqua quits hololive.. it really is how the talent accept the change.. but just like pekochan said streaming is fundamental for them it's how their attract viewer..
i remember she herself said she did enjoy idol like activity.
Please do not do your own speculation
@@grandgroodythey don’t watch streams just clips and then make claims as “fans”
Aqua always loved the idol part. She just didnt expect they get that big.
If this is your impression, it seems to me more like she left simply because she no longer felt like having to work so much on side activities like dance classes and recordings. Apparently, she wants to work at her own pace and more focused on just streaming.
Hmm how many times this exact speculation keep popping up despite already cleared months ago
Shortly said, the OG member still want to stick to daily streaming, the newest member want to get fame at shortest time , the company want to keep producing talent . Man, that's not a Good sign at all .
Two of those three don't seem to be talked about in this clip.
It's time for her to reincarnate just like Aqua tbh, she might say she has nothing but gratitude, but the reality is that the veterans have it hard adapting. This because the Tatemae. basically, a social mask they are forced to wear and pretend that everything's ok.