Vernon Howard teaches what Gurjieff was on about. With real spiritual exercises that destroys the false self. My life will never be the same again. I love my life. Pain is now used to awaken! Nothing goes to waste. Peace and cosmic love to us all.
In the sacred cube, our soul's design, Each axis, edge, a path divine, Through spatial realms and mystic light, We journey forth, from dark to bright. From earthly bounds to heights untold, Our spirit's quest, both brave and bold, With every step, a truth we face, Unveiling love, through time and space. In symbols deep, we find our guide, As wisdom's light shines from inside, Through ancient texts, the journey's grace, We find our home, within the space. So let us walk, both near and far, Guided by love, our guiding star, For in this cube, the truth we trace, Our soul's ascent, through time and space.
" Ouspensky was a great logician, a world famous mathematician, a great writer. Gurdjieff was none of these things, he was purely a mystic. Gathering everything from the system of Gurdjieff, Ouspensky was in a position to write beautiful treatises, as if they were his own experience. Gurdjieff could not compete with him in writing, nor in speaking. Ouspensky was a very talented genius, well educated. Gurdjieff was uneducated, coming from a very undeveloped tribe in the Caucasus, in Soviet Russia. But he had the whole mine of diamonds - it is just that they were all uncut, unpolished. Only a man who had the eyes of a jeweler would be able to recognize them; otherwise they were just stones. Ouspensky had the eyes of a jeweler; he recognized that this man had a treasure, but had not the talent to spread it..”
One of Ouspensky’s students, Gerald Palmer, was told by Ouspensky on his deathbed (if I’m remembering correctly) to go to Mt Athos to find The Truth, Who is Christ. Palmer obeyed and began a relationship with Fr Nikon. Palmer visited Fr Nikon every year thereafter until his death. Palmer, along with Philip Sherrard and Kallistos Ware, translated the Philokalia into English in the late 50s and 60s (I think.) Volume 5 is about to be released by Faber, if it hasn’t already been.
I once whirled for hours in my apartment in NYC without ever having read about Sufism. It ended up with me obtaining a vision of being in infinite space… I didn’t know what it was so I stopped as I was a bit scared I might leave my body!
Self remembering is NEPSIS. The watching and guarding of the heart by paying attention. Observing the self and all mental contents without reaction. Forgive my poor explanations….🙏🏻☦️❤️🔥
Just discovered that my school building in Hayes, Gadsden, was the building that the Ouspensky’s rented to do their classes! I sat in those rooms and now I am also learning to die daily. Would love to set up an esoteric exploration group there…. Who’s in?? 😊
" Gurdjieff himself has written one book, ALL AND EVERYTHING. It is a one-thousand-page book and absolutely unreadable. And he himself gives the recognition to the fact that it is unreadable. Only one hundred pages are cut and open; nine hundred pages are still joined and uncut! The book begins with a statement. The statement is, ‘you read first one hundred pages-it is the introduction. If you feel you can manage to understand what is being said, you can open the other pages. If you feel it is beyond you, you can return the book and take your money back.’ And how much money was he charging for that book in those days? One thousand dollars-because Gurdjieff and Ouspensky both believed that unless a person pays for something, he is not going to be deeply involved in it. When a person pays one thousand dollars, he has to read the book. And because there were nine hundred uncut pages, even people who could not understand the introduction were curious about what was inside the book; and they had already paid one thousand dollars, so it was better to cut it and see. But the book goes on becoming more and more difficult-difficult in the sense that Gurdjieff used to make words of his own. So first you cannot find their meaning in any dictionary. Those words have never existed in any language. He would mix three languages and make one word. And his words are so long that sometimes the whole sentence is one word. You cannot even pronounce it. His paragraphs are so long that one paragraph may take the whole page. By the time you come to the end of the paragraph, you have forgotten with what it had begun. Sometimes even lines run into whole pages. Gurdjieff had his own ways. And when he says you have to pay for everything, he means it in a very materialistic way. One countess was introduced to Gurdjieff by another of his rich followers, and the same evening Gurdjieff sent a message to the countess, ‘You give all your ornaments, diamonds, and money and everything, so that from tomorrow your teaching can start.’ She was worried, ‘What kind of teaching is this? Even if there is some fee I can pay, but all my diamonds and all my ornaments?’ She was very rich, and she had very valuable stones. She asked her friend, ‘What to do? What kind of man is this Gurdjieff? He wants everything, and then only tomorrow morning will the teaching begin.’ The other woman laughed; she said, ‘Don’t be worried. He also asked me for all. I gave all my ornaments, all my money, everything that I possessed, and next day, when the teaching started, the first thing he did was he returned all the money, the whole bag. So you need not be worried.’ So the countess collected all her diamonds and ornaments and money in a bag, and sent them to Gurdjieff. The next morning she was waiting, that before the teaching starts… but the bag never came back. She was very much puzzled-he has taken everything, she is now a pauper. She asked her friend, ‘You were saying that he returned yours.’ She said, ‘That is absolutely true. You can see, all my things are with me. I am also amazed about what has happened. Perhaps he forgot or something, that’s why he has not returned them.’ Those things were never returned, and when the woman asked, ‘I had given them because of my friend’s assurance that they will be returned tomorrow morning, but three days have passed. The teaching has started, but I cannot concentrate on the teaching; my whole mind is thinking about my money and my diamonds and my ornaments, because that was all that I had.’ Gurdjieff said, ‘The first woman’s things were returned because she offered them with love and trust. Yours will not be returned because you offered them with the idea that they will be returned-and first you made sure of it by asking your friend. You have not given out of trust and love. This is your first teaching, that if you are going to be with me, you will have to trust. And nothing is free." "
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs I wouldn't call him an "inspiration" Just like Buddha, Lao Tzu, Kabir, Jesus, Raman Maharshi, Bodhidharma, Chang Tzu, Basho, , etc etc, these are people Osho loved. I don't feel Osho got inspiration from anyone. Certainly not after he became enlightened in 1953.at age 21 I think.
The four states of consciousness are a psychological interpretation of Plato's cave. Internal & external considering comes from Heraclitus Identification comes from non-identification, which comes from the Cynics (Dogs) Adiaphora (indifference) The enneagram comes from the tree of life reversed of S. Karppe's French book on the Zohar, mentioned in the footnote of ISOTM & the tetragram reversed from Blavatsky's "Isis Unveiled", two reversed diagrams. Note the incident when Gurdjieff hung a Christmas tree upside-down, with two enneagrams on either side of a dresser.
I got into this because Beelzibub's Tales to his Grandson took place in Satan's spaceship, and the idea of Space Satan was funny to me, but it turned out that Gurdjeff was a pretty smart guy and I learned alot from his books.
I was led to Maurice Nicoll who is also useful. The book “A Different Christianity” by Robin Amis looks at Gs and Os ideas from an Orthodox Christian viewpoint. I follow the way of the householder in nepsis and Noetic prayer. The ascetic struggle to Theosis is not just for monks.
I feel a little sad for people who have a predisposition to labyrinths and don't manage to untangle them all the way. They just leave a trail of their words for the shadows among us who may not yet be born blessedly unrolling that parchment to the next level. Man is a bridge and not a goal, Life is a train and not a station, "man is something that must be overcome", Without an esoteric basis it cannot be overcome ~
From what I understand about Gurdjieff, there is *not* any video which could adequately express and explain his teachings. This is a man who deliberately obscured his teachings (see the infamous "bury the dog deeper" statement when asked about his teachings and ideas expressed in his famous book 'Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson'). It would be great if they could!
Why am I hooked at the first sec' and note? Because of You! I Love You All and all LiFEs4s occurrences, please I wish us to stay brave, resilient forever in Hope of more Love; Forever in LOve with LIFE and HHOPES
Gurdgieff called his way “esoteric Christianity” but the praxis in Orthodoxy is just the normal spiritual struggle and unseen warfare with the passions, logismoi and fallen intelligent spirits. Ceaseless saying of The Jesus Prayer is the method. And one thing G didn’t speak about that I’m aware of was THE LOVE OF GOD for each of us unique creatures.
Ah,.....HERE is the "WHERE" behind the "WHY" of My having written the following😊 Okay,....I'm gonna play The Devil's Advocate Somewhere...."OUT THERE",.... IS OUR REASON FOR BEING❤😊❤ Relax, take a breath...... AND THEN DIVE IN TO FIND IT😊 *THIS* Is "WHY" *YOU* are "Here"❤❤❤ My advice? Be YOU right away. It'll HURT at first, but YOU will have built a FOUNDATION❤❤❤ YOU will have an ANCHOR😊 Belive in YOURSELF first, and then work.Your way OUTWARD❤ This act will.ALWAYS be done ALONE😊 (That is what SEEDS "DO")
@@spiritualreliefchannel Forgive Me for RAMBLING without a DEsTINATION. I WAS EXCITED. (Spell check is.apparently run by illiterate WITCHES,.....SHAME.ON THEM)
Bealzububs tales to his grandson after meetings with remarkable men for Gurdjieff and in search of the miraculous and tertium organum for Ouspensky, cheers and Namaste
The psychology of man's possible evolution, In search of the miraculous, The fourth way, A new model of the universe . Read these back in the seventies, over and over, and have re read at times since then.
It's very unfortunate that G is quoted incorrectly in the film Meetings With Remarkable Men... In my opinion, G's exact language is the most important aspect of his writing, his final teaching. This is how he transmits ideas with extreme precision.
I want to put a thought out about the 'I AM'. Arn't we are in THIS momentarily moment the 'I AM'? Because? It is this ONLY moment that THIS I feels that way. The other I's in my holographic timeless place (I started to have access to) is not in that moment. So - if I look in the mirror ore somebody asks me something - this is the I it feels like this. If I have not downloaded a better version of myself - even when I am about to shift - in this split momentarily moment... Yes as a Shaman and quantum physically as well we are CONNECTED with EVERYTHING, with every Atom - but still --- here and right NOW - again like above. Does this makes sense it does so much to me and I wonder we should if collect the words used in 3D accordingly. Because that is where we are most often 🤔. For me it is a matter for self-observing that the I AM becomes more important. But not in daily speech....
I agree, and the easiest and most simple access I have found is surprising to me but very effective - is a guided mooji meditation on RUclips, cheers and Namaste
I cannot believe that the food chart is the result of searching for the truth and finding it. It feels more like a loyalty test: if you can believe this, you can be a member of our club.
@@zachbos5108 Search for "gurdjieff food chart". I can't put the image in a comment. It is bizarre. Gurdjieff distributed it to others and Ouspensky was advocating for it at one point.
@@zachbos5108 RUclips is censoring my straightforward and useful response. You will have to do something with the words "gurdjieff food chart". I apparently cannot be more explicit. I can't put the image in a comment. It is bizarre. Gurdjieff distributed it to others and Ouspensky was advocating for it at one point.
@@tim57243 Thanks. Yeah it is pretty far out. Don't know why yt would be censoring it but they don't like images/links etc in comments. Anyway, a nice example of a "law of 7" deviation, and another good reason to not join anything or accept it wholly.
@@zachbos5108 Ya. They aren't censoring anything specific to Gurdjieff or the food chart. The problem happens when I try to say anything like "(hcraes spelled backwards) for the words...". (I haven't tried spelling it backwards before. This is an experiment.) (Yay. The experiment worked, so now maybe I know a RUclips-compatible way to spell hcraes, or maybe I was lucky.)
I couldn't stop laughing as Gurdjieff sat smoking a cigarette as people sat around him staring at him. I can only imagine what was going through his mind.
The pointless addition of hipster "old film noise and dust artifacts" makes this video almost unwatchable. The fact that it's not random but repeats makes it even worse. A pity, since in principle the video is interesting. Oh, and interpunction in the "sub"-titles also would have been nice and helpful while reading along. Periods are a good invention.
Give me £2000 and I will show you the way I know the objective truth I know your worst nightmare "you can lead a horse to water , but you cant make it drink" If you are not naturally thirsty then you have no need of my services "Its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to walk through the gates of heaven" As the great Nasser Mullah Naddin would echo I just lost my Job , I'm trying to decide if I should earn money via the great sleep or actually teach those that are naturally thirsty I don't need much , if anything at all
@@spiritualreliefchannel That's the point I am fine, Its the rest of humanity that's asleep , and I only know one other person that knows the objective truth amongst billions and billions
@@KevinMannix-sf5zk Quite the ego trip for someone who still uses the term 'asleep' while Gurdjieff's final teaching says nothing about 'sleep' in the sense you're using it. You're referring to a terminology which originated from Ouspensky's book 'In Search of the Miraculous,' a book that predates G's final decisions dictating which terms to use to transmit the exact sense of his ideas, a book that has a major error in the food octave, the most important aspect in understanding how our two conscious minds work. G furthered his study of the English language after Ouspenskys short few years with him, and abandoned the terminology 'asleep' after psychological contradictions and cognitive dissonance became apparent in his pupils (some went crazy). If you know so much about objective truth, how does Gurdjieff define our two conscious minds in his own writing? His objectively impartial criticism of the life of man (mind). How do these minds work? And what is the objective truth you speak of? You may want to define what you mean instead of saying you and your friend 'get it' and everyone else is 'asleep', if you want to connect with others on the 'objective truth'. There are definitely other people out there other than you and your friend. Some advice Gurdjieff gave to Fritz Peters; avoid engaging with people bluntly (gurdjieff said this is one of the worst things you can do). Maybe this is why you think it's only you and your friend that "get it", maybe you leave zero space for connecting with other people in leaving these kind of blunt comments... I look forward to your response, and no hard feelings, this is a system of questioning after all. Best wishes.
No,it is not.For instance,stealing in moderation would not be evil.Stealing once is evil.How can you know this?Ask yourself"would i ignore one thing beïng stolen"?Since you don't denie this stealing,how can you shrug when it happens to another?But it is true,many people suffer from cognitive dissonance;they(we) freak out when they are victimised,but don't care...or worse(shadenfreude) if another is the victim. Gurdjev answered the question of what good or bad is"If i would have to answer ,i would say:everything that helps you becoming concious is good,everything that prevents conciousness is bad".End quote,from "tales of beëlzebub to his grandson".I hope i helped you and did not ennoi you.
Thanks, I agree that evil kills and shows disdain, funny I never noticed its life backwards, I did notice anything excessive often kills or shows disdain for others
There is no God in Absolute as there is nothing to create there except Laughter...of Krishna Christ Buddha Muhammad and many more including Osho and Gurdjieff...
Jesus is who he says he is and there's a lot of evidence. I have experienced 6 supernatural experiences while praying to the God of the Bible and many Christians experience similar things. The RUclips channels: deliverance down under, touching the afterlife, the supernatural life & Richard Lorenzo jr will help to shine light on this. Also, study near death experiences, when people medically die many of them talk about meeting Jesus and doing their life review with him and also some go to hell and by calling on his name they go to heaven with Him then they come back as messengers. God wants to show us he's real but he wants us to choose him and seek him fully. I am 30 now and wasn't a believer until about 3 years ago when the power of God completely overcame me for the first time during prayer. Started catholic, then practiced hinduism and some Buddhism stuff, studied Taoism, none of that is the way. "You will know them by their fruits" that's why India is sortof a turd hole haha sorry God I pray you bless India. Anyways, lastly, Muhammad wrote the Quran under forceful direction of an "angel" which easily could have actually been a demon. He Had 6 & 9 year old wives, 11 wives in total, it's okay to beat women and do bad things to non believers. These things are opposite of the God of the Bible. I strongly urge you to check out one of those RUclips channels like touching the afterlife cuz ppl all around the world, many religions & views, & give their testimonies about how Jesus alone changed their life & did countless supernatural things for them. It's real. Another avenue to discover this is listening to ex satanists. I'm talking about the luciferians that actually serve and pray to satan and practice witchcraft. Demons and satan reveal themselves to them and their directives are to attack Christian's in various ways. Then, when it gets too dark (the demons always turn on them cuz they hate us cuz we're made in Gods image) they turn to Jesus and all the demons flee. Every time. People with sleep paralysis? That see demons & get held down while they sleep? The name of Jesus stops it every single time. Cuz there's real power in the name of Jesus. Not Muhammad not Buddha, not anyone else. Just Jesus, He is who he says He is and the proof is everywhere and you can and will experience it for yourself if you seek with your whole heart. God bless brother, feel free to ask me anything and I will be honest with you.
Hope you enjoy this one, it was enjoyable to create ! Please leave your insights and pointers here in the comments my cosmic brothers and sisters!
Vernon Howard teaches what Gurjieff was on about. With real spiritual exercises that destroys the false self. My life will never be the same again. I love my life. Pain is now used to awaken! Nothing goes to waste.
Peace and cosmic love to us all.
@@backINdaROOM thanks for the tip I will look him up ! Cheers and Namaste
In the sacred cube, our soul's design,
Each axis, edge, a path divine,
Through spatial realms and mystic light,
We journey forth, from dark to bright.
From earthly bounds to heights untold,
Our spirit's quest, both brave and bold,
With every step, a truth we face,
Unveiling love, through time and space.
In symbols deep, we find our guide,
As wisdom's light shines from inside,
Through ancient texts, the journey's grace,
We find our home, within the space.
So let us walk, both near and far,
Guided by love, our guiding star,
For in this cube, the truth we trace,
Our soul's ascent, through time and space.
Beautiful, thank you and Namaste!
Just Wouaw; awe in words. Many Many Thanks for sharing!! Love You!
" Ouspensky was a great logician, a world famous mathematician, a great writer. Gurdjieff was none of these things, he was purely a mystic. Gathering everything from the system of Gurdjieff, Ouspensky was in a position to write beautiful treatises, as if they were his own experience. Gurdjieff could not compete with him in writing, nor in speaking. Ouspensky was a very talented genius, well educated. Gurdjieff was uneducated, coming from a very undeveloped tribe in the Caucasus, in Soviet Russia. But he had the whole mine of diamonds - it is just that they were all uncut, unpolished. Only a man who had the eyes of a jeweler would be able to recognize them; otherwise they were just stones. Ouspensky had the eyes of a jeweler; he recognized that this man had a treasure, but had not the talent to spread it..”
Thank you sir, I hoped you enjoyed the presentation !
So misplaced views. Ouspensky was chosen by G to transmit his ideas. G was chosen by S school to transmit certain of 4th way teachings.
@zade1983 thank you!
We simply wouldn’t be talking about ouspensky if not for Gurdjieff 🤷🏾♂️
@@ChadPayne1 I disagree and thank you for your comment!
One of Ouspensky’s students, Gerald Palmer, was told by Ouspensky on his deathbed (if I’m remembering correctly) to go to Mt Athos to find The Truth, Who is Christ. Palmer obeyed and began a relationship with Fr Nikon. Palmer visited Fr Nikon every year thereafter until his death. Palmer, along with Philip Sherrard and Kallistos Ware, translated the Philokalia into English in the late 50s and 60s (I think.) Volume 5 is about to be released by Faber, if it hasn’t already been.
Another Gem! Please keep on with “The Work,” my fellow seeker!🙏🏽
Thank you, you are most welcome!
Time For Evolution of Consciousness……..Touching Higher Levels of It ……..🌞
I am happy the content resonates with you !
I once whirled for hours in my apartment in NYC without ever having read about Sufism. It ended up with me obtaining a vision of being in infinite space… I didn’t know what it was so I stopped as I was a bit scared I might leave my body!
thank you for sharing !
Self remembering is NEPSIS. The watching and guarding of the heart by paying attention. Observing the self and all mental contents without reaction.
Forgive my poor explanations….🙏🏻☦️❤️🔥
Just discovered that my school building in Hayes, Gadsden, was the building that the Ouspensky’s rented to do their classes! I sat in those rooms and now I am also learning to die daily. Would love to set up an esoteric exploration group there…. Who’s in?? 😊
Very cool !
" Gurdjieff himself has written one book, ALL AND EVERYTHING. It is a one-thousand-page book and absolutely unreadable. And he himself gives the recognition to the fact that it is unreadable. Only one hundred pages are cut and open; nine hundred pages are still joined and uncut!
The book begins with a statement. The statement is, ‘you read first one hundred pages-it is the introduction. If you feel you can manage to understand what is being said, you can open the other pages. If you feel it is beyond you, you can return the book and take your money back.’
And how much money was he charging for that book in those days? One thousand dollars-because Gurdjieff and Ouspensky both believed that unless a person pays for something, he is not going to be deeply involved in it. When a person pays one thousand dollars, he has to read the book. And because there were nine hundred uncut pages, even people who could not understand the introduction were curious about what was inside the book; and they had already paid one thousand dollars, so it was better to cut it and see.
But the book goes on becoming more and more difficult-difficult in the sense that Gurdjieff used to make words of his own. So first you cannot find their meaning in any dictionary. Those words have never existed in any language. He would mix three languages and make one word. And his words are so long that sometimes the whole sentence is one word. You cannot even pronounce it. His paragraphs are so long that one paragraph may take the whole page. By the time you come to the end of the paragraph, you have forgotten with what it had begun. Sometimes even lines run into whole pages.
Gurdjieff had his own ways. And when he says you have to pay for everything, he means it in a very materialistic way.
One countess was introduced to Gurdjieff by another of his rich followers, and the same evening Gurdjieff sent a message to the countess, ‘You give all your ornaments, diamonds, and money and everything, so that from tomorrow your teaching can start.’
She was worried, ‘What kind of teaching is this? Even if there is some fee I can pay, but all my diamonds and all my ornaments?’ She was very rich, and she had very valuable stones.
She asked her friend, ‘What to do? What kind of man is this Gurdjieff? He wants everything, and then only tomorrow morning will the teaching begin.’
The other woman laughed; she said, ‘Don’t be worried. He also asked me for all. I gave all my ornaments, all my money, everything that I possessed, and next day, when the teaching started, the first thing he did was he returned all the money, the whole bag. So you need not be worried.’
So the countess collected all her diamonds and ornaments and money in a bag, and sent them to Gurdjieff.
The next morning she was waiting, that before the teaching starts… but the bag never came back. She was very much puzzled-he has taken everything, she is now a pauper.
She asked her friend, ‘You were saying that he returned yours.’
She said, ‘That is absolutely true. You can see, all my things are with me. I am also amazed about what has happened. Perhaps he forgot or something, that’s why he has not returned them.’
Those things were never returned, and when the woman asked, ‘I had given them because of my friend’s assurance that they will be returned tomorrow morning, but three days have passed. The teaching has started, but I cannot concentrate on the teaching; my whole mind is thinking about my money and my diamonds and my ornaments, because that was all that I had.’ Gurdjieff said, ‘The first woman’s things were returned because she offered them with love and trust. Yours will not be returned because you offered them with the idea that they will be returned-and first you made sure of it by asking your friend. You have not given out of trust and love. This is your first teaching, that if you are going to be with me, you will have to trust. And nothing is free." "
Very challenging book indeed, love your feedback and context Willie !
@@spiritualreliefchannelhe was quoting Rajneesh (aka Osho). Gurdjieff was one of Rajneesh’s biggest inspirations.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs I wouldn't call him an "inspiration" Just like Buddha, Lao Tzu, Kabir, Jesus, Raman Maharshi, Bodhidharma, Chang Tzu, Basho, , etc etc, these are people Osho loved. I don't feel Osho got inspiration from anyone. Certainly not after he became enlightened in 1953.at age 21 I think.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs cheers and Namaste
The lives and teachings of the Saints help us tremendously as they are ahead of us on the path of the Transfiguration of the self in Christ, Theosis.
100 percent !
The four states of consciousness are a psychological interpretation of Plato's cave.
Internal & external considering comes from Heraclitus
Identification comes from non-identification, which comes from the Cynics (Dogs) Adiaphora (indifference)
The enneagram comes from the tree of life reversed of S. Karppe's French book on the Zohar, mentioned in the footnote of ISOTM & the tetragram reversed from Blavatsky's "Isis Unveiled", two reversed diagrams. Note the incident when Gurdjieff hung a Christmas tree upside-down, with two enneagrams on either side of a dresser.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply, welcome, cheers and Namaste!
I got into this because Beelzibub's Tales to his Grandson took place in Satan's spaceship, and the idea of Space Satan was funny to me, but it turned out that Gurdjeff was a pretty smart guy and I learned alot from his books.
Thank you so much for commenting, beelzebub is a challenging book and It's a pleasure to meet anyone who enjoys such a book ! Cheers and Namaste
Beautiful Exercises……..🌞
Great Simple Mechanics……🌞
Keep climbing the mountain cosmic friends!
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I was led to Maurice Nicoll who is also useful. The book “A Different Christianity” by Robin Amis looks at Gs and Os ideas from an Orthodox Christian viewpoint. I follow the way of the householder in nepsis and Noetic prayer. The ascetic struggle to Theosis is not just for monks.
Nicoll is on my list :)
@@spiritualreliefchannel I have most of his books.
SuperNormal Psychology …… Fantastic…….🌞
I feel a little sad for people who have a predisposition to labyrinths and don't manage to untangle them all the way. They just leave a trail of their words for the shadows among us who may not yet be born blessedly unrolling that parchment to the next level. Man is a bridge and not a goal, Life is a train and not a station, "man is something that must be overcome", Without an esoteric basis it cannot be overcome ~
Thank you for sharing! Cheers and Namaste
Thanks!
You bet! Thank you for your generosity
From what I understand about Gurdjieff, there is *not* any video which could adequately express and explain his teachings. This is a man who deliberately obscured his teachings (see the infamous "bury the dog deeper" statement when asked about his teachings and ideas expressed in his famous book 'Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson'). It would be great if they could!
Thanks for sharing!
Why am I hooked at the first sec' and note? Because of You! I Love You All and all LiFEs4s occurrences, please I wish us to stay brave, resilient forever in Hope of more Love;
Forever in LOve with LIFE and HHOPES
You are most welcome ! And thank you !!
thank you so much!!!!
You're welcome! Cheers and Namaste
New Beginnings of “Schools “……..🌞
Great Definition Of Evil and Good Energies……..🌞
Excellent
Thank you! Cheers!
Gurdgieff called his way “esoteric Christianity” but the praxis in Orthodoxy is just the normal spiritual struggle and unseen warfare with the passions, logismoi and fallen intelligent spirits. Ceaseless saying of The Jesus Prayer is the method. And one thing G didn’t speak about that I’m aware of was THE LOVE OF GOD for each of us unique creatures.
Beautiful !
I'm from that group of very few
Nice, welcome!
Ah,.....HERE is the "WHERE" behind the "WHY" of My having written the following😊
Okay,....I'm gonna play The Devil's Advocate
Somewhere...."OUT THERE",....
IS OUR REASON FOR BEING❤😊❤
Relax, take a breath......
AND THEN DIVE IN TO FIND IT😊
*THIS*
Is "WHY" *YOU* are "Here"❤❤❤
My advice?
Be YOU right away.
It'll HURT at first, but YOU
will have built a FOUNDATION❤❤❤
YOU will have an ANCHOR😊
Belive in YOURSELF first, and then work.Your way OUTWARD❤
This act will.ALWAYS be done ALONE😊
(That is what SEEDS "DO")
Thank you ! Cheers and Namaste
@@spiritualreliefchannel Forgive Me for RAMBLING without a DEsTINATION.
I WAS EXCITED.
(Spell check is.apparently run by illiterate WITCHES,.....SHAME.ON THEM)
I have been trying to find the name and the piano piece played in this video can anyone help?
Think it is from Thomas Hartman , Gurdjieff`s favorite composer and a pupil.
You mean Satie, Gymnopedie #1?
Wow ……..🌞
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Where can I get more content on gurdjeff and ouspensky in an interesting way such as this?
Search RUclips, but stick around here for more, I humbly think this video was better than most available !
This is a well structured video. Do you have any book recommedations by these guys? Thanks!
Bealzububs tales to his grandson after meetings with remarkable men for Gurdjieff and in search of the miraculous and tertium organum for Ouspensky, cheers and Namaste
@@spiritualreliefchannel i'll look into those. Thank you once again.
@@reme7903 you are most welcome!
The psychology of man's possible evolution, In search of the miraculous, The fourth way, A new model of the universe . Read these back in the seventies, over and over, and have re read at times since then.
One works on oneself with others for example by visiting Orthodox monasteries often!
I love spiritual spaces ! Good work !
Too much self conciousness will drive you mad. Gurjideff method made people realise its a pointless search
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
Are you the SpiritualRelief I met the other day on a Jay Dyer stream?
Yes and welcome ! Cheers and Namaste
Gary Lachman is talking in this??? Why didn't you SAY SO?!
Yeah Man!
Ha ha, ikr! Thank you !
It's very unfortunate that G is quoted incorrectly in the film Meetings With Remarkable Men... In my opinion, G's exact language is the most important aspect of his writing, his final teaching. This is how he transmits ideas with extreme precision.
Thanks for your feedback and experience, cheers and Namaste!
@@spiritualreliefchannel thanks for the upload!
@@twobrainedserpent you are most welcome !
I want to put a thought out about the 'I AM'. Arn't we are in THIS momentarily moment the 'I AM'? Because? It is this ONLY moment that THIS I feels that way. The other I's in my holographic timeless place (I started to have access to) is not in that moment. So - if I look in the mirror ore somebody asks me something - this is the I it feels like this. If I have not downloaded a better version of myself - even when I am about to shift - in this split momentarily moment... Yes as a Shaman and quantum physically as well we are CONNECTED with EVERYTHING, with every Atom - but still --- here and right NOW - again like above. Does this makes sense it does so much to me and I wonder we should if collect the words used in 3D accordingly. Because that is where we are most often 🤔. For me it is a matter for self-observing that the I AM becomes more important. But not in daily speech....
I agree, and the easiest and most simple access I have found is surprising to me but very effective - is a guided mooji meditation on RUclips, cheers and Namaste
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@@spiritualreliefchannel🤔
Cheers and welcome!
I cannot believe that the food chart is the result of searching for the truth and finding it. It feels more like a loyalty test: if you can believe this, you can be a member of our club.
What do you mean by food chart?
@@zachbos5108 Search for "gurdjieff food chart". I can't put the image in a comment. It is bizarre. Gurdjieff distributed it to others and Ouspensky was advocating for it at one point.
@@zachbos5108 RUclips is censoring my straightforward and useful response. You will have to do something with the words "gurdjieff food chart". I apparently cannot be more explicit. I can't put the image in a comment. It is bizarre. Gurdjieff distributed it to others and Ouspensky was advocating for it at one point.
@@tim57243 Thanks. Yeah it is pretty far out. Don't know why yt would be censoring it but they don't like images/links etc in comments. Anyway, a nice example of a "law of 7" deviation, and another good reason to not join anything or accept it wholly.
@@zachbos5108 Ya. They aren't censoring anything specific to Gurdjieff or the food chart. The problem happens when I try to say anything like "(hcraes spelled backwards) for the words...". (I haven't tried spelling it backwards before. This is an experiment.) (Yay. The experiment worked, so now maybe I know a RUclips-compatible way to spell hcraes, or maybe I was lucky.)
What is that dance/ceremony at 11:00?
It's a Clip from the movie "meetings with remarkable men" by Peter Brooks, cheers and Namaste
It is a Central Asian dervish dance. Possibly called “Lamentation on the Death of Ali.” .
What book is this
The voice-over is excerpts from Ouspensky's 'Search for the miraculous'
I couldn't stop laughing as Gurdjieff sat smoking a cigarette as people sat around him staring at him. I can only imagine what was going through his mind.
Agreed, many thanks!
Is he talking about primordial agnosis ? It seems so .
I don't know what that is WK ....
@spiritualreliefchannel It means , arriving at birth and not knowing that comes with it!
@@WilliamKelly-ou2nm I trust your tips. Can you point me at an author/s for that subject? That sounds interesting
@spiritualreliefchannel I'll send it to you give me a little while! Thank you for the presentation!
@WilliamKelly-ou2nm excellent, and you are most welcome!
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Go on brother! Great topic
The pointless addition of hipster "old film noise and dust artifacts" makes this video almost unwatchable. The fact that it's not random but repeats makes it even worse. A pity, since in principle the video is interesting. Oh, and interpunction in the "sub"-titles also would have been nice and helpful while reading along. Periods are a good invention.
Thanks for sharing!
Gurdjeff was greater than odepensky .but they were not enlightened or fully god realized men .residing in samadhi or nirvhana❤
Thank you !
Yes Gurdjieff was the source, Ouspenksy transmitted his knowledge to the world.
Give me £2000 and I will show you the way
I know the objective truth
I know your worst nightmare
"you can lead a horse to water , but you cant make it drink" If you are not naturally thirsty then you have no need of my services
"Its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to walk through the gates of heaven" As the great Nasser Mullah Naddin would echo
I just lost my Job , I'm trying to decide if I should earn money via the great sleep or actually teach those that are naturally thirsty
I don't need much , if anything at all
I am sure you will be just fine brother!
@@spiritualreliefchannel That's the point I am fine, Its the rest of humanity that's asleep , and I only know one other person that knows the objective truth amongst billions and billions
@@KevinMannix-sf5zk I don't think I know anyone in real life.
@@theurbanthirdhomestead I know everyone, more then they know themselves, and its so amazing how they cant be told ,
@@KevinMannix-sf5zk Quite the ego trip for someone who still uses the term 'asleep' while Gurdjieff's final teaching says nothing about 'sleep' in the sense you're using it. You're referring to a terminology which originated from Ouspensky's book 'In Search of the Miraculous,' a book that predates G's final decisions dictating which terms to use to transmit the exact sense of his ideas, a book that has a major error in the food octave, the most important aspect in understanding how our two conscious minds work. G furthered his study of the English language after Ouspenskys short few years with him, and abandoned the terminology 'asleep' after psychological contradictions and cognitive dissonance became apparent in his pupils (some went crazy). If you know so much about objective truth, how does Gurdjieff define our two conscious minds in his own writing? His objectively impartial criticism of the life of man (mind). How do these minds work? And what is the objective truth you speak of? You may want to define what you mean instead of saying you and your friend 'get it' and everyone else is 'asleep', if you want to connect with others on the 'objective truth'. There are definitely other people out there other than you and your friend. Some advice Gurdjieff gave to Fritz Peters; avoid engaging with people bluntly (gurdjieff said this is one of the worst things you can do). Maybe this is why you think it's only you and your friend that "get it", maybe you leave zero space for connecting with other people in leaving these kind of blunt comments... I look forward to your response, and no hard feelings, this is a system of questioning after all. Best wishes.
Evil is anything in excsess,
I tend in that direction myself :)
No,it is not.For instance,stealing in moderation would not be evil.Stealing once is evil.How can you know this?Ask yourself"would i ignore one thing beïng stolen"?Since you don't denie this stealing,how can you shrug when it happens to another?But it is true,many people suffer from cognitive dissonance;they(we) freak out when they are victimised,but don't care...or worse(shadenfreude) if another is the victim.
Gurdjev answered the question of what good or bad is"If i would have to answer ,i would say:everything that helps you becoming concious is good,everything that prevents conciousness is bad".End quote,from "tales of beëlzebub to his grandson".I hope i helped you and did not ennoi you.
No, Evil is everything that goes against Life or disrespects Life, this is why Evil is Live spelled backwards
@@marc-alexandregamache3918 thanks ! welcome and Namaste
Thanks, I agree that evil kills and shows disdain, funny I never noticed its life backwards, I did notice anything excessive often kills or shows disdain for others
Gurdjeff and oudspensky including judd krishnamurti also ug krishnamurti .is fraudulent intellectual gymnistics.the i taught is ego .
Thank you for sharing your perspective !
There is no God in Absolute as there is nothing to create there except Laughter...of Krishna Christ Buddha Muhammad and many more including Osho and Gurdjieff...
Thank you !
Surely not Oshit
Jesus is who he says he is and there's a lot of evidence. I have experienced 6 supernatural experiences while praying to the God of the Bible and many Christians experience similar things. The RUclips channels: deliverance down under, touching the afterlife, the supernatural life & Richard Lorenzo jr will help to shine light on this. Also, study near death experiences, when people medically die many of them talk about meeting Jesus and doing their life review with him and also some go to hell and by calling on his name they go to heaven with Him then they come back as messengers. God wants to show us he's real but he wants us to choose him and seek him fully. I am 30 now and wasn't a believer until about 3 years ago when the power of God completely overcame me for the first time during prayer. Started catholic, then practiced hinduism and some Buddhism stuff, studied Taoism, none of that is the way. "You will know them by their fruits" that's why India is sortof a turd hole haha sorry God I pray you bless India. Anyways, lastly, Muhammad wrote the Quran under forceful direction of an "angel" which easily could have actually been a demon. He Had 6 & 9 year old wives, 11 wives in total, it's okay to beat women and do bad things to non believers. These things are opposite of the God of the Bible. I strongly urge you to check out one of those RUclips channels like touching the afterlife cuz ppl all around the world, many religions & views, & give their testimonies about how Jesus alone changed their life & did countless supernatural things for them. It's real. Another avenue to discover this is listening to ex satanists. I'm talking about the luciferians that actually serve and pray to satan and practice witchcraft. Demons and satan reveal themselves to them and their directives are to attack Christian's in various ways. Then, when it gets too dark (the demons always turn on them cuz they hate us cuz we're made in Gods image) they turn to Jesus and all the demons flee. Every time. People with sleep paralysis? That see demons & get held down while they sleep? The name of Jesus stops it every single time. Cuz there's real power in the name of Jesus. Not Muhammad not Buddha, not anyone else. Just Jesus, He is who he says He is and the proof is everywhere and you can and will experience it for yourself if you seek with your whole heart. God bless brother, feel free to ask me anything and I will be honest with you.
God is a concept .abd chasing it is a spiritual ego😂