There's a difference between the USA seeing China as a threat, and Chine threatening the USA. If you own a business, and someone comes along to compete with you, and it turns out they are better at business than you, they are, perforce, a threat. That doesn't mean they are threatening you, it just means they are carrying on their business, and doing it better that you. That is the situation of China and the USA. China has taken over a large part of the world's manufacturing simply because they do it better and cheaper than others, especially the USA. The USA's answer to China's "threat" hasn't been to try lift their economy, it has been to sanction China, threaten other countries that trade with China, restrict trading with China, attempt to restrict other countries trade with China, and continue to use military threats to keep their empire in line. That strategy is bound to fail. When the USA talks about the "world order", what they mean is the USA's pre-eminnet position in a world order they control. That too is bound to fail.
Historically, China has been a major power in Asia for a few millennia. Despite intermittent setbacks, it has consistently rebounded. The present era is no different. Irrespective of whether it's under the leadership of Xi Jinping, the Communist Party, or another entity, China's drive to regain its prominence is inevitable. It’s short sighted to blame China refusal to submission on a person or its system. For the U.S., it would be more strategic to anticipate peaceful coexistence with China than to opt for confrontation. Engaging in costly wars with China, even with a U.S. victory, could paradoxically wounded its global standing. Believing that China has no aspirations akin to the Monroe Doctrine, or presuming that it could be deterred from such ambitions as its Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) outpaces the U.S., is a misjudgment. The emergence of a multipolar world is a foreseeable reality. Yet, in the current political milieu, such forward or divergent thinking often faces unwarranted brushed aside rejections. You may wonder if there are adults in the Hoover Institution.
The US should abandon its mentality of exceptinesm and live with China with mutual repect and co-existence just as China did in its past glorious era over many centuries before the westerm powers dominated the world for about 200 years. The humanity needs more cooperation instead of confrontation or conflict since there is only one earth to live on and it is big enough for all poeple to live in peace.
As much as I hate what Academia has become, Hoover Institution does a fantastic job at allowing open and honest conversation to persist. For that, I have much respect and appreciation.
@goldholder8181, as to your comment about "open and honest conversation", it's remarkable given the attitude of Stanford University administrators condoning the censorship of, in particular, Conservative speakers presenting to the undergraduate student body.
is it honest? or biased? It is perfectly fine to have MAGA, perfect for the US to dominate.... Yet, it is wrong to have china rejuvenation... China has been promoting multi-poler world, NOT china as the center, neither the US.... AND, calls for national reunification with Taiwan and reclaim of the Japanese occupied island.
@@shepherdncoug why couldn't she present the Chinese perspective, just as the US perspective, in a fair manner? Painting it in a negative visor does not make it an open and honest discussion. It makes this discussion biased in the same way as the media is doing...
Interesting, this is perhaps one of the very few times I've seen a guest on the show with whom I mostly disagree. Her assertion that came across as describing the Chinese as "not really being communist" is, in part, the thinking that got us into the situation we're in today. Her description of what the Biden administration is doing that is helping us tackle these problems and the storm, in my opinion, is hurting us more than helping. I could point out more, but I will refrain from writing an essay in the comments section.
wiki: Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement,[1] whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in the society based on need.[3][4][5] A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9] that is the definition from Wiki. china is a brutal capitalism with no social welfare, high wealth inequality. china's private economy accounts for 80 percent of its urban employment.
"Chinese as not really communist" is both Correct and incorrect. It is based on not all 100% Chinese is communist. Based on people nowledgeable about Chinese inside mainland China, less than 10% Chinese inside China is communist party members who rule mainland China.
I live in Hong Kong, my wife is Ukrainian and I’m Taiwanese American. I’ve been seeing the changes in China and HK in real time over the past 20 years. A China/Russia led world order would be a complete disaster for humanity. Xi Jinping will probably end up being the worst thing to happen to China since Mao.
I can even answer the host opening question in very simple way. " If Xi gets his way, What does Xi wish during his governance ?" 1/ Integrate Taiwan with the Mainland. 2/ China progresses economically, technologically, socially, militarily .... etc. 3/ China works with the Global South and helps third world countries and partners to grow together.
Absolutely, as Chinese American, I agree with Elizabeth that China is not socialist, although China claims it is a socialist country. Actually, United States is much more socialist than China. Chinese president Xi said that Americans are lazy. It means there are much fewer welfare programs in China. Thus, It is hard to predict which country will prevail in the future, based on Productivity. Democracy can do both bad and good things. China is an authoritarian country.
If china’s way of governance is so terrible, then why are we so afraid of how strong they are getting economically and militarily? More precisely, if what they are doing allows them to be so strong economically and militarily, then shouldn’t we try to mimic what they are doing instead of constantly criticizing them?
This interview typifies everything wrong with elite discussion in the United States (and in Europe for that matter). It consists of hearing what wants to hear and regurgitating it in a glorified echo chamber. There is no attempt to consider arguments or outcomes that are different to the wish fulfilling dreams of maintaining American supremacy at all costs. For example, China's economic problems pale into insignficance with America and Europe's. Similarly, on the political plane - a large majority of the public in the Western countries have been suffering declining living standards for decades and have largely lost trust in their 'democratic' institutions. Meanwhile Chinese people have seen rising living standards for decades and according to polls conducted by US companies are overwhelmingly supportive of ther government. On the international side, China's Belt and Road Inititiative now has 150 countries signed up, and the BRICS is rising fast. One extra thought on Taiwan. If the US really supports the Taiwanese people, why are they shifting chip production to America? This can only devastate the Taiwanese economy whch relies on its local chip production for 50% of its exports? Already, Taiwan's economy is stagnant. If it loses its chip industry perhaps integration with the Chinese mainland will look more attractive than it does today...
This woman knows nothing about China! 1. China was never the centre of the world and never sought to be. It never attempted to create an overseas empire and China never fought colonialist wars in other continents like the UK, US, France, Germany, etc did. China goes to Africa and builds roads, railways, bridges, ports, and dams, etc. The Europeans went before them and sent millions of the African people into slavery. 2. She talks about Chinese setting up military bases oversea. Just for the record, China has 1 military base and the US has about 800!
Great interview. The polarization, so-called, is the locus of great cultural and political energy, and will be our greatest asset if only we can get the different sides of the argument to deeply engage each other. This will happen bottom-up: we can each do this in our own lives. The ideological rival is a resource like no other, relentlessly pointing out the flaws in arguments, the overlooked, the bad assumptions; who wishes to can learn much this way. To renew our liberal democracy, we must practice liberalism and democracy in our own lives: if our culture is imbued with it, our government will be, too. Talk with, befriend, if possible live amongst, those you disagree with. Love them more than you may despise their views. Be humble. You can learn from anyone.
I see more and more comments like these and it makes me happy; things are changing. We're rediscovering our values: a second renaissance. To anyone reading, join us, we're a bunch of nobodies
The US is hardly renewing at home. Bringing chips back to the US and having business step up to coordinate with military power abroad does not rejuvenation make. America needs to raise the minimum wage, provide college and training and to provide healthcare, for starters, or we are sunk. This country is now a mere bastion for the uber rich. Americans are suffering in ways that this boomer could have never imagined, while we siphon every bit of our energy keeping trade routes open and American power abroad floating. What are we fighting to preserve?
Disappointed to hear the Economy’ view points as she has the strong view against China and therefore lost her objectivity and factual approach in research on the issue, which will lead the misunderstanding and misjudgment from US
@43:22 Q: "What did you make of Washington?" … "polarized?" A: (paraphrasing) - "the business community is patriotic." Nice. This took away some of the value of this interview. An answer like this is not up to academic standards. It rather fits a lowly politician. Those years spent in Washington left a mark.
Love your interviews, Peter. If youe blood ran cold thinking about the CCP (1) filtering internet search results and (2) keeping track of where you go, it should at least run coolly here and now as Google currently does those same two things-- and much, much more.
The difference is the system. I will point out two facts, one when Apple refused to release the passwords to open the iPhone of the Bernardino shooter ( could not and would not ever happen in china), two the fact that Snowden released the info that was secret as to is being spied upon, ask yourself, why did the government try and keep it secret and still does. Because they know accountability still exists to a degree and they are scared if it. These two cases show the difference between the two
Supporting the Philippines in their struggle for ownership of their waters against China will determine the future good or bad for the US and the allies world wide.
When I see a kneejerk influx of trolls, I know that a discussion has accurately struck a nerve. It is refreshing to see acknowledgement that the transition from China to Xina was --- from a long-term perspective --- a geoeconomic blunder.
Your comment rings hollow considering the hostile reaction to Japan's rise in the 80s, a free and democratic country. Regardless of China's political system confrontation was inevitable.
You don't need dictatorship for economic growth. Sensible market policy with human resource development alongwith rule of law will pave way for growth. India without dictatorship since 1990s has seen 6%+ growth. Thus dictatorship is not needed for growth. But high level prosperity is possible only with democracy or else you must be resource endowed.
43:40? "Doing the right thing"?... "public-private partnership"? ... that's WEF style stakeholder capitalism and as far away from liassez-faire, freed markets as you can get. Olympus has truly fallen.
Very good discussion!! I’m Canadian and I thank god everyday for the US. And to anyone who thinks America is in decline or weak I would say learn your history…just ask Japan. I feel America has almost supernatural regenerative powers…and she does much better when she has an external enemy to focus on.
Moved to Shanghai post college in 2011 and fell in love with this great city and the people here at large. However the shadow and now outright malice of Xi has unfortunately made staying here further untenable and now I'm looking to move back to the States in the next 6 months. War is the last thing I'd advocate for but I hope we both maintain our commitment to Taiwan and expand our military aid to them. The 'Domino Theory' in Asia of the Cold War proved to be untrue in my opinion but I feel us fleeing that fight (if it comes to that) would cause irrevocable damage to our position worldwide and to the people of the world who value Democracy.
And Okinawa is Chinese as well. We Japanese committed terrible war crimes during WW2, so we have to keep apologizing more to Chinese. As one of our humble apology Japan will return Okinawa to Chinese .
You might need to review all of the patents and inventions. It’s only the government that holds us back. Unfortunately more young people are less industrious than people born 60 plus years ago, but there is still potential. Far more than in communist or corrupt L.A countries. Why are 2 million plus people a year trying to illegally enter US?
Thank you for this important interview. I understood that free will and the rule of law will not survive without a peaceful economic environment because totalitarian governments and our traditional reaction to them will always impose strong central governments. We become what we fight, always. Power should exist to control itself firsthand. In my infinite ignorance, and I apologize for this, I would like to suggest a global alliance centered on the objectives of the UN global pact as non-negotiable drives for all those who negotiate globally. All political systems have failed us and are less important than human reality. The planet doesn't need us, it can start again if necessary. It is dying while we discuss what is actually least important to all of us as a conscious species. Neither China nor the USA are solutions to anything, they are two elephants in the room making us choose a side. We need both and any other super(egocentric)power in the cage of a much stronger global alliance. The time for the dinosaurs has to be ended. We need to jump to the era of more humanized relations no matter how long it would take, this should be the target. It's time to wake up and grow up, otherwise, in a few decades there will be no future to fight for.
I usually get the impression that Dr. Economy is more balanced. Perhaps this is her speaking to her audience at Hoover. Just one example, when talking about the security aspect of the Taiwan/China/US dynamic if Taiwan unites with the PRC in some fashion @37:55 "That first island chain, that second island chain then becomes much more in China's control". This of course is complete hogwash as the US maintains bases across Japan and the Philippines in the first island chain. The second island chain consists of remote Japanese islands in the Pacific and stretches through the US territories of the Mariana Islands and continuing south. The PRC doesn't even have a presence in the second island chain. This is borderline fear mongering.
True, China wants to Taiwan Integration. The territory dispute between China and India as well as China and Japan is just minor from Beijing perspective.
Just the opening ten minutes, there had been strong inclination of Anti ... China rhetoric on the guest discussion. Indeed Hover Institution forum is heavy on Anti.... China agenda, whether intentional or unintentional
Not one word about how China is aging very very rapidly. And will be a joke in the future. We will look back and laugh in the 2060s that we worried about China in the 2020s
See, this the difference b/w the Neil Fergusons and Steve Kotkins on the one hand and a real expert on China. I hear these 2 guys talking generalities and uttering soundbites that sound intelligent but ultimately rest on shaky grounds. She is, however, measured, precise, analytical and conservative in her judgement on what course events might take. Also in giving credit or critique where they are due. Hoover is lucky to have her.
I’m not well read in Soviet or China studies, so take my opinion with a pinch of salt… But I disagree on Kotkin. His conclusions are definitely sweeping, but still feel insightful and informed. He’s also very, very humble. I agree that Ferguson speaks in sound bites.
I really like, a lot, how you speak so much about the Communist party. Considerably there's so much equality in that Political System in thought. And even mandating (1) child is a desirable step to support overpopulation. Running off Vivek's lead, verbatim, ,, When I become President... '' having a minimum-waged Salary after a certain age, I think, would be incredibly beneficial. As in at age 30 - $35,000.00 40 - $42,000.00 50 - $60,000.00 or something like that, I'd like to think would change so many lives within our most marginalized Communities and negating so many of our Country's current disparages.
Between economy and power, of course they choose power! If they choose economy, they will lose power gradually, if they choose power, though the economy will be damned, but it’s none of their business! Those ppl who are still in power can still live luxuriously that most ppl in the world (even in the west) can’t! Think about the 3 year starvation, the culture revolution, these ppl still thought super highly of Mao! They never thought to kick out CCP! Only by realizing the nature of those CCP who are in power, you will be able to predict their reactions. The true nature of communism is about power. Forget all those equality blah blah blah, those are stuff to fool naive general public. Ppl who are really in this game know these are all BS. Perhaps Xi believes in some bits of it, given he has only finished primary school lol But I think he see acquiring TW is way more important than balancing poor and rich (this problem will be sorted when china’s economy go brust, jolly well everyone will be equally poor lol)
she seems very corporate and not particularly capable of outside-the-box thinking. very DC. obviously there are those whose talent is learning the facts, and then there are those who are best at taking decisive and/or innovative action. the effete intellectual class in palo alto/washington don't give the average person much confidence that they can respond effectively to the china behemoth. the answer to the question(s) at/after 41:35 is particularly uninspiring. i don't think this appearance will age well but my god i hope i'm completely wrong about that.
She claimed Google would not hand over to the American government information the company has about its users. She should give Snowden a call.
There's a difference between the USA seeing China as a threat, and Chine threatening the USA. If you own a business, and someone comes along to compete with you, and it turns out they are better at business than you, they are, perforce, a threat. That doesn't mean they are threatening you, it just means they are carrying on their business, and doing it better that you. That is the situation of China and the USA. China has taken over a large part of the world's manufacturing simply because they do it better and cheaper than others, especially the USA. The USA's answer to China's "threat" hasn't been to try lift their economy, it has been to sanction China, threaten other countries that trade with China, restrict trading with China, attempt to restrict other countries trade with China, and continue to use military threats to keep their empire in line. That strategy is bound to fail. When the USA talks about the "world order", what they mean is the USA's pre-eminnet position in a world order they control. That too is bound to fail.
Historically, China has been a major power in Asia for a few millennia. Despite intermittent setbacks, it has consistently rebounded. The present era is no different. Irrespective of whether it's under the leadership of Xi Jinping, the Communist Party, or another entity, China's drive to regain its prominence is inevitable. It’s short sighted to blame China refusal to submission on a person or its system. For the U.S., it would be more strategic to anticipate peaceful coexistence with China than to opt for confrontation. Engaging in costly wars with China, even with a U.S. victory, could paradoxically wounded its global standing. Believing that China has no aspirations akin to the Monroe Doctrine, or presuming that it could be deterred from such ambitions as its Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) outpaces the U.S., is a misjudgment. The emergence of a multipolar world is a foreseeable reality. Yet, in the current political milieu, such forward or divergent thinking often faces unwarranted brushed aside rejections. You may wonder if there are adults in the Hoover Institution.
The US should abandon its mentality of exceptinesm and live with China with mutual repect and co-existence just as China did in its past glorious era over many centuries before the westerm powers dominated the world for about 200 years. The humanity needs more cooperation instead of confrontation or conflict since there is only one earth to live on and it is big enough for all poeple to live in peace.
Go and say that in China. Say anything the government doesn't approve of. What respect, what co-existence?
Why ..should only US solely be entitled to set the World international rule based order when it is less than 3 % of the worlds population..?
As much as I hate what Academia has become, Hoover Institution does a fantastic job at allowing open and honest conversation to persist. For that, I have much respect and appreciation.
Ya dude, I get excited when I see a Peter Robinson video pop up!
@goldholder8181, as to your comment about "open and honest conversation", it's remarkable given the attitude of Stanford University administrators condoning the censorship of, in particular, Conservative speakers presenting to the undergraduate student body.
is it honest? or biased? It is perfectly fine to have MAGA, perfect for the US to dominate.... Yet, it is wrong to have china rejuvenation... China has been promoting multi-poler world, NOT china as the center, neither the US.... AND, calls for national reunification with Taiwan and reclaim of the Japanese occupied island.
@@shepherdncoug why couldn't she present the Chinese perspective, just as the US perspective, in a fair manner? Painting it in a negative visor does not make it an open and honest discussion. It makes this discussion biased in the same way as the media is doing...
We WILL decline if we rely on the advice of people like her.
Seems Ms Elizabeth Economy has conveniently forgotten about the US "One China Policy" which states Taiwan is part of China.
One of the two or three best shows that appears on youtube. Absolutely first class, and should have millions of views.
The West is evil. China is good
what a last name
Really interesting how do get such surname
It's got to be an Anglicised Greek name surely
Yesss ❤ I thought the same thing. I look forward to reading her book!
Possibly: Americanized form of Greek Economos 'steward' or of the patronymic form Economou
Interesting, this is perhaps one of the very few times I've seen a guest on the show with whom I mostly disagree. Her assertion that came across as describing the Chinese as "not really being communist" is, in part, the thinking that got us into the situation we're in today. Her description of what the Biden administration is doing that is helping us tackle these problems and the storm, in my opinion, is hurting us more than helping. I could point out more, but I will refrain from writing an essay in the comments section.
selling book?
wiki: Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement,[1] whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in the society based on need.[3][4][5] A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]
that is the definition from Wiki. china is a brutal capitalism with no social welfare, high wealth inequality. china's private economy accounts for 80 percent of its urban employment.
"Chinese as not really communist" is both Correct and incorrect. It is based on not all 100% Chinese is communist. Based on people nowledgeable about Chinese inside mainland China, less than 10% Chinese inside China is communist party members who rule mainland China.
I live in Hong Kong, my wife is Ukrainian and I’m Taiwanese American. I’ve been seeing the changes in China and HK in real time over the past 20 years. A China/Russia led world order would be a complete disaster for humanity. Xi Jinping will probably end up being the worst thing to happen to China since Mao.
I can even answer the host opening question in very simple way.
" If Xi gets his way, What does Xi wish during his governance ?"
1/ Integrate Taiwan with the Mainland.
2/ China progresses economically, technologically, socially, militarily .... etc.
3/ China works with the Global South and helps third world countries and partners to grow together.
China China China. Why can't US focus on enpower itself.
Absolutely, as Chinese American, I agree with Elizabeth that China is not socialist, although China claims it is a socialist country. Actually, United States is much more socialist than China. Chinese president Xi said that Americans are lazy. It means there are much fewer welfare programs in China. Thus, It is hard to predict which country will prevail in the future, based on Productivity. Democracy can do both bad and good things. China is an authoritarian country.
If china’s way of governance is so terrible, then why are we so afraid of how strong they are getting economically and militarily? More precisely, if what they are doing allows them to be so strong economically and militarily, then shouldn’t we try to mimic what they are doing instead of constantly criticizing them?
The fact that a system every now and then produces a good result doesn’t prove that it’s a good system. Give me liberty, or give me death.
The US thirst for war is unquenchable.
This interview typifies everything wrong with elite discussion in the United States (and in Europe for that matter). It consists of hearing what wants to hear and regurgitating it in a glorified echo chamber. There is no attempt to consider arguments or outcomes that are different to the wish fulfilling dreams of maintaining American supremacy at all costs.
For example, China's economic problems pale into insignficance with America and Europe's. Similarly, on the political plane - a large majority of the public in the Western countries have been suffering declining living standards for decades and have largely lost trust in their 'democratic' institutions. Meanwhile Chinese people have seen rising living standards for decades and according to polls conducted by US companies are overwhelmingly supportive of ther government.
On the international side, China's Belt and Road Inititiative now has 150 countries signed up, and the BRICS is rising fast.
One extra thought on Taiwan. If the US really supports the Taiwanese people, why are they shifting chip production to America? This can only devastate the Taiwanese economy whch relies on its local chip production for 50% of its exports? Already, Taiwan's economy is stagnant. If it loses its chip industry perhaps integration with the Chinese mainland will look more attractive than it does today...
This woman knows nothing about China!
1. China was never the centre of the world and never sought to be. It never attempted to create an overseas empire and China never fought colonialist wars in other continents like the UK, US, France, Germany, etc did. China goes to Africa and builds roads, railways, bridges, ports, and dams, etc. The Europeans went before them and sent millions of the African people into slavery.
2. She talks about Chinese setting up military bases oversea. Just for the record, China has 1 military base and the US has about 800!
I doubt if this guest speaker had traveled to and lived in China
Another great conversation. Hat off to Elizabeth Economy for dodging some uncomfortable questions and refocusing her responses accordingly. Thank you
😂 dodging? Just answer them. She's hedging to prep her future.
After 10 books, I am not sure she is more informative than RUclips
Significant overstatement to call Soviet invasion of Afghanistan an embarrassment for the United States.
Great interview.
The polarization, so-called, is the locus of great cultural and political energy, and will be our greatest asset if only we can get the different sides of the argument to deeply engage each other. This will happen bottom-up: we can each do this in our own lives. The ideological rival is a resource like no other, relentlessly pointing out the flaws in arguments, the overlooked, the bad assumptions; who wishes to can learn much this way.
To renew our liberal democracy, we must practice liberalism and democracy in our own lives: if our culture is imbued with it, our government will be, too.
Talk with, befriend, if possible live amongst, those you disagree with. Love them more than you may despise their views. Be humble. You can learn from anyone.
You need to leave jowel to jowel
I see more and more comments like these and it makes me happy; things are changing. We're rediscovering our values: a second renaissance. To anyone reading, join us, we're a bunch of nobodies
If you lived in China for the last four years, I doubt you would say that
All Empires decline- the US is no different.
"We know that Google won't turn that information to government" 🤣🤣
Children...
Lol they already have law enforcement portals, isp's also collect data
I think Hoover are a bit unaware of privacy and spy/wikileaks type info
The moment i remembered most academics are so myopic that it rarely pays to listen to them talk big picture.
The US is hardly renewing at home. Bringing chips back to the US and having business step up to coordinate with military power abroad does not rejuvenation make. America needs to raise the minimum wage, provide college and training and to provide healthcare, for starters, or we are sunk. This country is now a mere bastion for the uber rich. Americans are suffering in ways that this boomer could have never imagined, while we siphon every bit of our energy keeping trade routes open and American power abroad floating. What are we fighting to preserve?
The fact that such a ideology driven person can rise up in academia does not bode well. Good luck USA
Disappointed to hear the Economy’ view points as she has the strong view against China and therefore lost her objectivity and factual approach in research on the issue, which will lead the misunderstanding and misjudgment from US
@43:22
Q: "What did you make of Washington?" … "polarized?"
A: (paraphrasing) - "the business community is patriotic."
Nice. This took away some of the value of this interview.
An answer like this is not up to academic standards.
It rather fits a lowly politician.
Those years spent in Washington left a mark.
But Communism and Marxism is always totalitarian, the idea of Amish style communism does not exist outside small communities.
The West is evil. The rise of the East is gonna save humanity
Love your interviews, Peter. If youe blood ran cold thinking about the CCP (1) filtering internet search results and (2) keeping track of where you go, it should at least run coolly here and now as Google currently does those same two things-- and much, much more.
Gpogle cannot put you in prison for your searches
The difference is the system. I will point out two facts, one when Apple refused to release the passwords to open the iPhone of the Bernardino shooter ( could not and would not ever happen in china), two the fact that Snowden released the info that was secret as to is being spied upon, ask yourself, why did the government try and keep it secret and still does. Because they know accountability still exists to a degree and they are scared if it. These two cases show the difference between the two
ya but google doesn't run the courts and the police and the credit rating agencies...
Google doesn't have tanks.
@@samuelboucher1454 Pepsi used to have battleships though
As if the internet searches are not tracked in the U.S.
So at 5.30 ,interwier says China watches all internet searches but in USA he has not that problem ... 😅
Is it a Western culture to create a cartoonish villain out of a situation?
Supporting the Philippines in their struggle for ownership of their waters against China will determine the future good or bad for the US and the allies world wide.
这女的，真是什么都不懂，半桶水水平晃来晃去😂
Neither your guest nor "the Goodfellows" quotes were worth my time.
The President sets the foriegn policy of the United States, not the Taiwan Relations Act.
When I see a kneejerk influx of trolls, I know that a discussion has accurately struck a nerve. It is refreshing to see acknowledgement that the transition from China to Xina was --- from a long-term perspective --- a geoeconomic blunder.
Amen!.... they are the best endorsement for the importance of the content.
Thank you trollbots👍🏼
What trolls? Either this comment section is filtered harder than Xina, or you're hallucinating.
Your comment rings hollow considering the hostile reaction to Japan's rise in the 80s, a free and democratic country. Regardless of China's political system confrontation was inevitable.
Americans bemoaning Chinas exertion of power has to win this months lack of self awareness award
if don’t like the US-led world order, you’ll reeealy enjoy the China-led one.
Yes, ideology and power always wins over economic growth.
The US doesn't manipulate searches? And track what you search for? Ha!
USA doesn’t tell media what is disinformation also. And shut down freedom of speech.
Love this show!
Her hair is definitely 100 times healthier than the entirety of the Chinese economy.
Both brilliant individuals at their roles, fantastic, fantastic
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his WORK"
Thank you! ❤
Thank you. This was thoughtful and balanced.
You don't need dictatorship for economic growth. Sensible market policy with human resource development alongwith rule of law will pave way for growth. India without dictatorship since 1990s has seen 6%+ growth. Thus dictatorship is not needed for growth. But high level prosperity is possible only with democracy or else you must be resource endowed.
I think we can do without country's "doing right" in the world. It's not really working out is it?
Interesting. How so?
43:40? "Doing the right thing"?... "public-private partnership"? ... that's WEF style stakeholder capitalism and as far away from liassez-faire, freed markets as you can get. Olympus has truly fallen.
Do not underestimate or downplay chinese population harboring of the CCP. Aiding and abating.
Is there a reason this was pulled down and then reposted? Was something changed to appease the Chinese overlords?
I noticed that too.
Take your pills
cant trust American business for shit...pure corruption
@@sethland it would be a shame especially that the director of Hoover Institution is CLEARLY anti-China.
Yeah, me too
Very good discussion!! I’m Canadian and I thank god everyday for the US. And to anyone who thinks America is in decline or weak I would say learn your history…just ask Japan. I feel America has almost supernatural regenerative powers…and she does much better when she has an external enemy to focus on.
Those who speak don’t know.
Very interesting! Thank You
Outstanding. Love the fact-based optimism.
Moved to Shanghai post college in 2011 and fell in love with this great city and the people here at large. However the shadow and now outright malice of Xi has unfortunately made staying here further untenable and now I'm looking to move back to the States in the next 6 months.
War is the last thing I'd advocate for but I hope we both maintain our commitment to Taiwan and expand our military aid to them. The 'Domino Theory' in Asia of the Cold War proved to be untrue in my opinion but I feel us fleeing that fight (if it comes to that) would cause irrevocable damage to our position worldwide and to the people of the world who value Democracy.
it's all about the hegemony, never about freedom and democracy.
She knows how to tow the line and where her bread is buttered. President Xo Biden would be proud of her.
And Okinawa is Chinese as well. We Japanese committed terrible war crimes during WW2, so we have to keep apologizing more to Chinese. As one of our humble apology Japan will return Okinawa to Chinese .
🇺🇸!! What a dose of optimism and hope! Thank you, Ms. Economy. That’s just what this mother of two yearned to hear. I’ll replay and share. 🇺🇸
Google is not going to do what???????????? At least I only wasted about 13 minutes of my time.
A legal system that protects our rights 😂, have you heard of Derek chauvin?
Trying to imaging he was in China, that would no be even noticed.
Time waste.😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just spreading propaganda 😂😂
Please stop the "kind of" and "sort of" fillers. Unbecoming of someone at your level of education and experience (and age).
Wow, petty.
Min 25:00
She didn't answer the: why can't China democratize?
What a last name! Like Robert Conquest… if the two families joined, you’d have an economic conquest.
“I bet on America”
Why? A cultural renaissance of what? Industrious hard working people?
You might need to review all of the patents and inventions. It’s only the government that holds us back. Unfortunately more young people are less industrious than people born 60 plus years ago, but there is still potential. Far more than in communist or corrupt L.A countries. Why are 2 million plus people a year trying to illegally enter US?
I too bet on America
You need to learn Spanish as a first language then
We have legal system,including corruption....LOL
V eloquent Gordon Chang-ers…
You guys should talk to the two guys who were there for many years, serpentZa and Laowhy##
Shouldn't you be asking a Chinese person?
就是着么傲慢😂
🎉what does it mean party vs economic solution bilaterally mean?🎉
Enjoyed! Thank you.
Thank you for this important interview. I understood that free will and the rule of law will not survive without a peaceful economic environment because totalitarian governments and our traditional reaction to them will always impose strong central governments. We become what we fight, always. Power should exist to control itself firsthand. In my infinite ignorance, and I apologize for this, I would like to suggest a global alliance centered on the objectives of the UN global pact as non-negotiable drives for all those who negotiate globally. All political systems have failed us and are less important than human reality. The planet doesn't need us, it can start again if necessary. It is dying while we discuss what is actually least important to all of us as a conscious species. Neither China nor the USA are solutions to anything, they are two elephants in the room making us choose a side. We need both and any other super(egocentric)power in the cage of a much stronger global alliance. The time for the dinosaurs has to be ended. We need to jump to the era of more humanized relations no matter how long it would take, this should be the target. It's time to wake up and grow up, otherwise, in a few decades there will be no future to fight for.
I stopped watchin after only 6.5 minutes. I don't know how two of you never noticed that 2020 happened
I usually get the impression that Dr. Economy is more balanced. Perhaps this is her speaking to her audience at Hoover. Just one example, when talking about the security aspect of the Taiwan/China/US dynamic if Taiwan unites with the PRC in some fashion @37:55 "That first island chain, that second island chain then becomes much more in China's control". This of course is complete hogwash as the US maintains bases across Japan and the Philippines in the first island chain. The second island chain consists of remote Japanese islands in the Pacific and stretches through the US territories of the Mariana Islands and continuing south. The PRC doesn't even have a presence in the second island chain. This is borderline fear mongering.
True, China wants to Taiwan Integration.
The territory dispute between China and India as well as China and Japan is just minor from Beijing perspective.
Just the opening ten minutes, there had been strong inclination of Anti ... China rhetoric on the guest discussion.
Indeed Hover Institution forum is heavy on Anti.... China agenda, whether intentional or unintentional
she is a government employee... no wonder
Ignorant trying to be specialist?😂😂
假装公正，其实都是恶意的诋毁，污蔑😅
Anyone wanting to know how to do public interviews should study Peter Robinson
Not one word about how China is aging very very rapidly. And will be a joke in the future. We will look back and laugh in the 2060s that we worried about China in the 2020s
Her name is Economy? wow
I wonder how she flys?
She’s presumably of Greek descent. It sounds like an Ellis Island modification of a not uncommon Greek surname.
What happened to the video?
Really enjoyed this 🇬🇧
See, this the difference b/w the Neil Fergusons and Steve Kotkins on the one hand and a real expert on China. I hear these 2 guys talking generalities and uttering soundbites that sound intelligent but ultimately rest on shaky grounds. She is, however, measured, precise, analytical and conservative in her judgement on what course events might take. Also in giving credit or critique where they are due. Hoover is lucky to have her.
I’m not well read in Soviet or China studies, so take my opinion with a pinch of salt… But I disagree on Kotkin. His conclusions are definitely sweeping, but still feel insightful and informed. He’s also very, very humble. I agree that Ferguson speaks in sound bites.
I find "Lei's Real Talk" very insightful into China!
These two are not on the same page. Better prep was needed.
Another great interview
没有追求公平？扶贫不算吗？大姐
You interrupted Ms Economy too often, IMO.
Please post the Condileza Rice speech that addresses unity with Israel.
Long live the empire!!
Internet searches filtered and tracked in US as well!
No, unfortunately
. You don't see any difference?
People who say things like that have no clue about history and no understanding of what it is like to live in an authoritarian society.
Western Blob thinking is delusional
Tibetans have been taking their lungs out for the last 60 years for a reason. I fear it's already too late now.
I really like, a lot, how you speak so much about the Communist party. Considerably there's so much equality in that Political System in thought. And even mandating (1) child is a desirable step to support overpopulation.
Running off Vivek's lead, verbatim,
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When I become President...
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having a minimum-waged Salary after a certain age, I think, would be incredibly beneficial. As in at age
30 - $35,000.00
40 - $42,000.00
50 - $60,000.00
or something like that, I'd like to think would change so many lives within our most marginalized Communities and negating so many of our Country's current disparages.
Between economy and power, of course they choose power!
If they choose economy, they will lose power gradually, if they choose power, though the economy will be damned, but it’s none of their business! Those ppl who are still in power can still live luxuriously that most ppl in the world (even in the west) can’t! Think about the 3 year starvation, the culture revolution, these ppl still thought super highly of Mao! They never thought to kick out CCP!
Only by realizing the nature of those CCP who are in power, you will be able to predict their reactions.
The true nature of communism is about power. Forget all those equality blah blah blah, those are stuff to fool naive general public. Ppl who are really in this game know these are all BS. Perhaps Xi believes in some bits of it, given he has only finished primary school lol
But I think he see acquiring TW is way more important than balancing poor and rich (this problem will be sorted when china’s economy go brust, jolly well everyone will be equally poor lol)
she seems very corporate and not particularly capable of outside-the-box thinking. very DC. obviously there are those whose talent is learning the facts, and then there are those who are best at taking decisive and/or innovative action. the effete intellectual class in palo alto/washington don't give the average person much confidence that they can respond effectively to the china behemoth. the answer to the question(s) at/after 41:35 is particularly uninspiring. i don't think this appearance will age well but my god i hope i'm completely wrong about that.
A great discussion!