Is Black Panther Alt-Right?

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
  • I wonder what it is about Black Panther that has everyone all riled up?
    Hm. A real mystery, that one.
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  • @hbomberguy
    @hbomberguy 6 лет назад +9183

    You say Capitalism has problems, but Scrooge starts out as a very abusive capitalist, and that means capitalism is fine

  • @Traegorn
    @Traegorn 6 лет назад +3140

    Uh, where the heck did they get the gender thing? T'Challa is the heir because he's the older sibling, not because he's a guy. Shuri is also given a chance to challenge his ascension too (and they even make a joke that she's doing it during the beginning of the film). These people did not watch the movie.

    • @GayDracula_
      @GayDracula_ 5 лет назад +374

      In one of the comics, Shuri takes up the mantle of the black panther. HMMMM

    • @The867530910
      @The867530910 5 лет назад +181

      @@GayDracula_ and ruler of wakanda if I remember correctly

    • @GayDracula_
      @GayDracula_ 5 лет назад +76

      @@The867530910 You are correct.

    • @gavinkemp7920
      @gavinkemp7920 5 лет назад +154

      In fact one of the tribe leaders what a woman. T'challa girlfriend if i'm not mistaken.

    • @TeamMBaku88
      @TeamMBaku88 5 лет назад +120

      I've had many arguments with people that make multiple lies about the movie to say it sucks. There's no winning with them.

  • @PretentiousAdonis
    @PretentiousAdonis 6 лет назад +4453

    "Is black panther alt-right?"
    Wakanda question is this?

    • @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 5 лет назад +54

      Wakanada good question at all. It's a stupid ass question lol.

    • @TheFiresloth
      @TheFiresloth 5 лет назад +185

      Underrated pun, I must say.

    • @ard1805
      @ard1805 5 лет назад +27

      It’s worth asking if you mean alt right in terms of just an exclusive ethnostate, which it is. I’m pretty sure that was kind of the point of why tchalla opened wakanda up to the rest of the world at the end right? To change what it was to something more progressive.
      Also amazing wordplay. I would probably take a bullet for you. To the should or something though... I don’t know you.

    • @shespawntwin1
      @shespawntwin1 4 года назад +2

      Yoooooo
      LMAOOOOO

    • @dasaggropop1244
      @dasaggropop1244 4 года назад +1

      micacaine kinda question.

  • @1080TJ
    @1080TJ 6 лет назад +4275

    "Is Wakanda an ethnostate? Well, in the opening narration of the movie intended to be watched and understood by children..."
    damn lol

    • @liambaillargeon3136
      @liambaillargeon3136 6 лет назад +244

      Shaun wrecks shit.

    • @TalenLee
      @TalenLee 6 лет назад +140

      yeah but so's America, what's the big deal

    • @premmy1020
      @premmy1020 6 лет назад +4

      Talen Lee YOU!

    • @TalenLee
      @TalenLee 6 лет назад +92

      I HAVE VERY FIRM OPINIONS ABOUT VOTING SYSTEMS OKAY?

    • @jamesclement8985
      @jamesclement8985 6 лет назад +172

      Robert Grant Let me get this straight. Are you saying the fact that Wakanda is a non-democracy means it is an ethnostate? By that logic, the USSR was an ethnostate. We of course know that the USSR was not an ethnostate because it was made up of different ethnic groups. Let's look elsewhere. It's not ideal, but Syria. By your logic, Syria is an ethnostate. Once again, we know that this is not true. Syria comprises many different ethnic groups despite being a dictatorship.
      You really ought to think about these things first, mate.

  • @littlelordfuckleroy3822
    @littlelordfuckleroy3822 6 лет назад +2435

    I literally started cracking up so hard when I realized Sargon couldn't tell the difference between two different black women in the movie holy shit this man can't be real

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt 6 лет назад +244

      I believe he does it on purpose to make himself look ever more disdainful of black people to his audience. Alt-Right virtue signalling at its finest.

    • @Mad-wv6ol
      @Mad-wv6ol 6 лет назад +64

      vaiyt What funny is people like Sargon and dave Ruben call them self classical liberals..

    • @HelloWorld1947
      @HelloWorld1947 6 лет назад +136

      They even mistake Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman, for one another. It's getting embarrassing at this point. They need check up for clinically blindness. Seriously!

    • @littlelordfuckleroy3822
      @littlelordfuckleroy3822 6 лет назад +128

      Aksum አክሱም ፣ ንግሥት
      Nah they need to be checked up on clinical racism lmao

    • @Scoring57
      @Scoring57 6 лет назад +49

      Andy Johnson
      I think by the time he was making this video he hadn't watched the movie yet. That's how disingenuous he is. It's the same thing with him not reading many of the writings he uses as sources or as something to criticize.

  • @LoadPast
    @LoadPast 6 лет назад +5069

    How about at the end when T'challa literally says "The wise build bridges while the fools build walls"

    • @pablo9234
      @pablo9234 5 лет назад +163

      @Bot #10110 a wall that he is planing to destroy. someone clearly didn't see the movie

    • @pablo9234
      @pablo9234 5 лет назад +186

      @Bot #10110 he didn't make the wall. it was there before he was born. And sorry for the mispelling

    • @pablo9234
      @pablo9234 5 лет назад +175

      @Bot #10110 yes his ancestor are fools, he acknowledges it. And so am I,because i thought that you were trying to have a normal conversation and are instead just trolling

    • @orcarossa
      @orcarossa 5 лет назад +16

      A wise man live in a room surround by walls, a fool under a bridge

    • @manjackson2772
      @manjackson2772 5 лет назад +209

      "his ancestors were fools"
      yes, you've done it, you've caught the film out, the film in which t'challa screams "ALL OF YOU WERE WRONG" at his ancestors did not notice that his ancestors were wrong

  • @kleptopolarbear1609
    @kleptopolarbear1609 6 лет назад +4076

    Sargon finding a woman who speaks her mind and talks back to men being insufferable...who could have seen that coming?

    • @darlalathan6143
      @darlalathan6143 6 лет назад +156

      If its one thing he can't stand, it's feminists, lol!

    • @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 5 лет назад +224

      If there is everything he can't stand... It's everything lol.

    • @emilyoswin3830
      @emilyoswin3830 5 лет назад +175

      if there's wrong thing he can't stand...it's facts and evidence

    • @justinokraski3796
      @justinokraski3796 5 лет назад +46

      I really liked her lol

    • @yllejord
      @yllejord 5 лет назад +197

      ''This sassy teenager acting out against authority is unrealistic''-

  • @gelotologistgrandma3791
    @gelotologistgrandma3791 6 лет назад +6198

    sargon literally unable to tell black people apart. incredible

    • @alex_roivas333
      @alex_roivas333 6 лет назад +43

      lmao!

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt 6 лет назад +438

      he does it on purpose to virtue signal his disdain of successful black people to his audience

    • @alex_roivas333
      @alex_roivas333 6 лет назад +79

      Terminimal, if whoopi goldberg and oprah were in the same movie, would you confuse them then?

    • @Furionic696
      @Furionic696 6 лет назад +7

      If they played carbon copy stereotypes who fulfill the same narrative role, yes

    • @Furionic696
      @Furionic696 6 лет назад +3

      Scientist-Engineer isn't the worst descriptor for Shuri, though it only truly comes into play in Infinity War when she removes Vision's mind stone (which only she inexplicably has the talent to for some reason, well it's not inexplicable the film just doesn't bother to do so.) However if the movie gave you the impression Nakia was a warrior then it definitely didn't do it's job in giving these two unique roles properly as Nakia is a War Dog, she's a Wakandan spy certainly trained to be effiecient in war but warrior is not her role. Excerpt from the movie:
      "I'm not a spy who can come and go as they so choose! I am loyal to that throne, no matter who sits upon it. What are you loyal to?"
      "I loved him. I loved my country, too."
      "Then you serve your country."
      "No. I save my country."
      ―Okoye and Nakia
      This movie really did a horrible job of defining roles for any of it's characters. Why's this guy special? He has a rhino.
      Why is Shuri the only scientist able to remove the Mind Stone? (Despite no knowledge of Infinity Stones in comparison to any other character in the films thus far) She just is, no explanation given not even a lazy "I studied Banners work for years and found things he didn't" throwaway line that might give her any reason to have the knowledge she does. Convenient.
      Why do T'challa's balls handle every situation he gets into? They just do, Shuri made them but that's all the technical info you'll get, it's like they made her Q without any attempt to explain the tech like a James Bond movie would. Super convenient.
      Why is the most wanted man in Wakanda (who was branded by them no less) totally able to sneak around Wakanda grabbing up Vibranium like a vaudeville bank robber? Specifically considering the satelitte tech the film shows and the capability Wakandans have of tracking known targets. (shown in the really dark badly shot intro where he takes on the convoy) Again he just can he's so good at smuggling even after he went essentially insane that super Wakanda tech isn't able to find him? Convenient.
      My personal favourite which NOBODY has addressed as far as I've seen is the trains being activated towards the end of the film, EVERY major character we have seen or met in some capacity is busy dealing with something during this scene, in fact the whole country is pretty much at war, how in the name of all that is beloved on this green Earth did they turn the trains on from the middle of a field with very visibly no technology or any kind of platform or console to activate the train system from? So many little conveniences that don't do anything to add to the story they simply get it closer to the end.
      A movie should be excited to explain these kinds of things to you, Black Panther glosses past them as fast as it possibly can and it sucks all the more for it. Which is a fucking real pity because the actors chosen for this film did a great job, T'challa, Shuri, Zakia were all amazing in terms of screen presence and I can't blame them for the dismal writing they had to preform, the cast is almost all star when you take Andy Serkis and Freeman into account too, it's just too bad they were put in a really badly written film and I genuinely hope if it gets a sequel somebody else handles it and gives these character unique descriptive roles which have backstories that last for more than a mere sentence or three.

  • @katiekatie6289
    @katiekatie6289 6 лет назад +2439

    "But when *fictional* black people are doing it, suddenly it's amazing." Aren't these the same people who prattle on about how Anita Sarkeesian "treats fiction like reality", and how "it's just a video game."

    • @aworldtowin955
      @aworldtowin955 5 лет назад +52

      Katie Katie i was honestly thinking the same thing 😂

    • @henryrice9263
      @henryrice9263 5 лет назад +138

      Have you seen Big Joel's "Anita Sarkeesian and the people who hate her"? If not I think you'd enjoy it. These people are hypocrites and constantly use circular nonsense logic. Anita was treating games as art that can be critisized, not them.

    • @ard1805
      @ard1805 5 лет назад +18

      Henry Rice yea, but she lies and omits things that counter her arguments. Shes disingenuous as fuck.
      She would literally say in that series that “the game makers wanted to reward you for killing a woman” and shit, but then she would talk about a game that expressly punishes you for killing the woman she was talking about.
      Shit like that permeates every episode of that series. She’s not qualified to be critiquing video games, or really anything else.
      She has a poisonous worldview that isn’t shared by 80% of the population. It’s not “because she’s a woman” anymore than pierce Morgan gets shit on because he’s British. They’re bad at what they do.

    • @ard1805
      @ard1805 5 лет назад +3

      Henry Rice I really want to watch that with a feminist and stop the tape and explain everytime she lies or gets something wrong.

    • @demsocialistboi
      @demsocialistboi 5 лет назад +34

      i really wish you weirdos would stop finding yourselves here, lol 😂

  • @CatHasOpinions734
    @CatHasOpinions734 6 лет назад +3329

    Wait, people seriously think Black Panther is pro-isolationist? Did they just skip the last half of the movie? That's like watching the Matrix and saying "boy, the Wachowskis make a great case for robot authoritarianism!"

    • @pinkcloudsnightlightbell
      @pinkcloudsnightlightbell 6 лет назад +79

      😭😭😭 THIS!

    • @WillisRude
      @WillisRude 6 лет назад +24

      Spoilers for Revolutions geeeze

    • @NoobLord9001
      @NoobLord9001 6 лет назад +27

      yeah... about that matrix analogy...

    • @basilofgoodwishes4138
      @basilofgoodwishes4138 6 лет назад +148

      Stephanie Cassiopeia especially when the end credits have such an obvious trump shaming argument about walls, you can't even ignore that, unless you are not knowledgeable about trump or just being a idiot like these Neo Nazis.

    • @CatHasOpinions734
      @CatHasOpinions734 6 лет назад +67

      Terminimal Eh, not really. The Last Jedi's much more nuanced about these things than either Black Panther or The Matrix. (Spoilers if you haven't seen The Last Jedi (also why the heck haven't you seen The Last Jedi go watch The Last Jedi!).)
      It's obviously not exactly about rejecting the past (after all, Rey does save the ancient Jedi texts, and the guy who keeps talking about killing the past is the villain), but it's definitely about not lionizing the past. That's a big part of why they emphasize the dichotomy between Luke's legendary status vs Luke's reality. His legacy is based on him, but everyone is more complex than their greatest moments would suggest. The fact that he's a great person doesn't stop him from being flawed, if anything his status as a legend made his flaws that much more devastating, because people want him to be a symbol and he's as human as the rest of us. That's why he went into a self-imposed exile. Even at the end, when he finally accepts his legendary status enough to decide to use it to do some good (by trolling Kylo Ren to give them a better chance of escaping), his projection, his legend, looks drastically different than he does in reality. That's not a coincidence. Really, that whole glorious fight scene is a fantastic metaphor for Luke's legendary status: it's an illusion, not reality, but that doesn't mean it can't do a tremendous amount of good. The Last Jedi isn't about Luke being a chump, it's about Luke being more than just his legend.
      Man, I forgot how great that movie was, thanks for bringing it up!

  • @PlatonistAstronaut
    @PlatonistAstronaut 6 лет назад +648

    "Wakanda will no longer watch from the shadows. We can not. We must not. We will work to be an example of how we, as brothers and sisters on this earth, should treat each other. Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
    - T'Challa, the Black Panther

    • @kjj26k
      @kjj26k 4 года назад +30

      I cry every time I hear that speech.
      Even though I know it to be completely impossible, it still feels like such an obtainable dream.

    • @nuklearboysymbiote
      @nuklearboysymbiote 3 года назад +15

      Chadwick Boseman, forever king

  • @amandareynolds-gregg5962
    @amandareynolds-gregg5962 6 лет назад +1138

    Its weird that Sargon reaches the conclusion that women can't govern in Wakanda. I seem to remember seeing a few women in the ancestor scene (granted they were in the background) and there was that moment when his sister acted as though she was going to challenge her brother's claim to the throne. No one seemed upset at the idea of a woman ruling, just that SHE specifically would be interested.

    • @amaka637
      @amaka637 6 лет назад +81

      +Amanda Reynolds-Gregg There's actually female Black Panthers :D

    • @taylormanes8113
      @taylormanes8113 6 лет назад +117

      and in the comics, Shuri becomes the Black Panther at one point!

    • @amandareynolds-gregg5962
      @amandareynolds-gregg5962 6 лет назад +72

      Shuri becomes a Black Panther?! That's awesome!!

    • @ripyungbruh8157
      @ripyungbruh8157 6 лет назад +50

      Don't ask them to actually watch the movie.

    • @Xondar11223344
      @Xondar11223344 5 лет назад +54

      In the comics, Shuri becomes the Queen of Wakanda and the Black Panther, so Carl is totally wrong on that point.

  • @michaelm5518
    @michaelm5518 6 лет назад +310

    Friendly skull condescends to obnoxious pseudo intellectuals is always good content

  • @Nananananaheckyes
    @Nananananaheckyes 6 лет назад +1343

    I can't believe you spoiled a Christmas Carol for me!!! I've never been exposed to that story in my entire life! I was saving it for... later!

    • @comfybrah9333
      @comfybrah9333 6 лет назад +6

      Sarah I actually never watched that movie

    • @FoggyMcFogFace
      @FoggyMcFogFace 6 лет назад +30

      The story is a bit older than that movie

    • @HarryS77
      @HarryS77 6 лет назад +33

      The Grinch also turns out to be a really swell guy! Spoilers

    • @fuckenps3
      @fuckenps3 6 лет назад +10

      *Unironically likes comment

    • @0Fyrebrand0
      @0Fyrebrand0 6 лет назад +21

      You should read the prequel novels first, so you get the detailed history of Scrooge's tragic origins. He was initially a good kid, highly gifted in the ways of business, with an abundance of midichlorians.

  • @wafflefrogs
    @wafflefrogs 6 лет назад +749

    “Shiri is unrealistic” have you ever met a 16 year old girl

    • @patrickzingler4372
      @patrickzingler4372 3 года назад +200

      For the sake of every 16yo girl, I really hope not.

    • @willbe3043
      @willbe3043 3 года назад +57

      @@patrickzingler4372 i laughed sadly at this

    • @davitdavid7165
      @davitdavid7165 3 года назад +49

      She acts like every litle sibling ever.

    • @stefan6347
      @stefan6347 3 года назад +15

      @@davitdavid7165 yes.

    • @imnotmike
      @imnotmike 2 года назад +19

      He's never met a girl, period.

  • @kilo1012
    @kilo1012 6 лет назад +1956

    "Unrealistic"
    ah, so Sargon doesn't have any younger siblings
    got it

    • @sutyerator
      @sutyerator 6 лет назад +361

      Sargon just hates women. The fact that he couldn't tell Shuri and Nakia apart speaks volumes. Two women who disagree with the king on something are literally indistinguishable to him; tenfold because they're black.

    • @jomo999
      @jomo999 6 лет назад +258

      Yeah, that 'annoying sister' that provides him with life saving gadgets, drives him around during car chases and helps bring him back from the brink of death...but is OBVOUSLY trying to undermine him all the time.

    • @tylerlaroche2509
      @tylerlaroche2509 6 лет назад +10

      Right?!?!?!?!?!

    • @twistysunshine
      @twistysunshine 5 лет назад +64

      That's why he is the way he is. It's much harder to have that kind of inflated sense of self importance when you've got a little sibling "constantly undermining your authority" or whatever

    • @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 5 лет назад +31

      Even if Sargon had a point... He fuckin doesn't because he's a dip shit lol. But even if he did... Looking for realism in a disney marvel movie??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @LarryLopez91
    @LarryLopez91 6 лет назад +577

    Sargon watches movies the same way he reads articles.

    • @briankenney9528
      @briankenney9528 6 лет назад +64

      Larry Lopez "couldn't they cut this movie down to the minutes?"

    • @karlovisttimes8271
      @karlovisttimes8271 5 лет назад

      @@briankenney9528 well i agreewith that

    • @IamMissPronounced
      @IamMissPronounced 5 лет назад +6

      Same with PJW. Wait, he only reads the title

    • @karlovisttimes8271
      @karlovisttimes8271 5 лет назад

      I honestly hate how films are just boring filler same with books most often

  • @obligatoryprofile
    @obligatoryprofile 6 лет назад +278

    Shaun, if you're going to insist on using footage of Molyneux, could you at least blur out the ends of his sentences? He invariably smirks like he's unlocking the family dungeon to bring his daughter food and "company", and it kinda makes my skin crawl.

    • @aaronmarks9366
      @aaronmarks9366 4 года назад +7

      Lmao

    • @lewissmith5759
      @lewissmith5759 4 года назад +20

      @@aaronmarks9366 its been a year but i feel you should be reminded you made this very bad comment XD

    • @aaronmarks9366
      @aaronmarks9366 4 года назад +4

      @@lewissmith5759 I think you wanted to @ obligatoryprofile ;)

    • @miazmatic5025
      @miazmatic5025 4 года назад +13

      LMAO dude.... Honestly Same. I feel like im watching really bad acting when he talks

    • @l.pietrobon3925
      @l.pietrobon3925 Год назад

      ...what

  • @leerowan9640
    @leerowan9640 6 лет назад +166

    Sargon not being able to tell the difference between two black women who look and act completely differently to one another while crying about how 'the blacks are the REAL racists' is honestly so fucking funny

  • @badsocks756
    @badsocks756 6 лет назад +516

    About 14 mins in and... Turns out Sargon can't tell black people apart?
    WHO KNEW

    • @alexn.2901
      @alexn.2901 6 лет назад +25

      He can't even tell the difference between a spy and a scientist

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt 6 лет назад +26

      I'm pretty sure he's pretending in order to virtue signal to his racist audience how disdainful of successful black people he is.

    • @octaviusroosevelt7355
      @octaviusroosevelt7355 3 года назад +3

      @@vaiyt Either way, it's so funny to see.

    • @leiffitzsimmonsfrey4923
      @leiffitzsimmonsfrey4923 3 года назад +2

      I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, but I often fail to tell movie characters apart, even when they're white. If they look similar enough, I will get confused.

  • @nursekayee
    @nursekayee 6 лет назад +816

    I fucking knew it. As soon as I saw Shuri and learned she was the tech whiz, I fucking knew anti feminist RUclipsrs would have a problem with her. Apparently, the most unbelievable thing about this movie was having a genius woman and not, ya know, a magical source of energy powerful enough to give superhero abilities, on top of everything else it does, in the form of a flower.

    • @nursekayee
      @nursekayee 6 лет назад +75

      And she didn't ruin moments of meaning? What the hell is Sargon talking about? Apparently it's unbelievable for women to be geniuses and insufferable when they're funny.

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt 6 лет назад +15

      Lo dice una mujer? Soy contra!

    • @silaskuemmerle2505
      @silaskuemmerle2505 3 года назад +54

      @@nursekayee even if she did ruin moments of meaning, that’s just what siblings do

    • @kit2859
      @kit2859 3 года назад +45

      @@silaskuemmerle2505 EXACTLY! She’s literally a 16 yr old. She may be one of the smartest people on the planet but maturity wise she is still a teen.

  • @lotussong_
    @lotussong_ 6 лет назад +2723

    "Shuri is unrealistic" - spoken like someone who has never had a little sister... Like, seriously, her dunking on his ugly sandals was an incredibly natural family moment! It made these characters feel believable and alive to me! To hear someone say interactions like that is Shuri undermining T'Challa's authority is just, bizarre.

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat 6 лет назад +146

      My thoughts exactly, everything he complained about is stereotype of every little sister except being a genius who can create anything they want. Little sisters only think they are geniuses and rely on the parents to give them everything they want ;P

    • @nootnewt9323
      @nootnewt9323 6 лет назад +139

      Lol my little sister is exactly like Shuri. I have no idea what he was on or if he has a little sister of his own

    • @GayDracula_
      @GayDracula_ 5 лет назад +157

      I mean like, usually I make fun of my siblings. Even if we love each other. It's called a family dynamic that isn't *two brothers trying to kill each other all the time.*

    • @thatboringone7851
      @thatboringone7851 5 лет назад +70

      I don't even have any siblings but I know from my family (cousins in particular) that it's just... well, what family does if they're close enough. Like seriously, does he not have a grandma that won't let him live it down if he wears a Hawaiian shirt? An uncle that tells you straight up when you've just said something incredibly dumb?
      ... Actually no it makes sense that he doesn't.

    • @IamMissPronounced
      @IamMissPronounced 5 лет назад +22

      The script was cringe as fuck but that's literally how younger siblings can be sometimes, it's definitely not an exaggeration

  • @porygonlover322
    @porygonlover322 6 лет назад +246

    yknow these types always talk about respecting your ancestry and then they go ahead and lump together swedish, irish, and german people under the same umbrella of "white"

    • @sakogekchyan7366
      @sakogekchyan7366 6 лет назад +7

      Kzinssie (porygonlover322)
      I agree with you which is why I hate white nationalism. But I do support European nationalists. There is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve your people and your culture. I come from a culture that has suffered through centuries of invasions and attempts to destroy my culture including a genocide so it would be a Pockrus he for me to not support European nationalists.

    • @KookiesNolly
      @KookiesNolly 6 лет назад +56

      Sako Gekchyan cultures aren’t set in stone. They always change through contact with strangers. As long as it’s non violent it’s a good thing. Smart people know that you can care about your people and your culture while allowing it to change because it’s the natural other of things. I think many European countries like France actually understands that concept very well. There’s something that makes France unique. if as a foreigner you live for a very long time there and then go back to your country, chances are people will notice that you have changed. They met not shove their culture in everyone’s face but simply being around French people makes you act French. And at the same time, their culture is influence by other cultures they welcome and enjoy. French people are welcoming and in favor of immigration. Not all of course, but the vast majority is.

    • @sakogekchyan7366
      @sakogekchyan7366 6 лет назад +6

      Eli N.S
      I do understand where you’re coming from and I agree that cultures are changing with time. Nothing is stagnant. But people shouldn’t be called hateful or bigot for exercising their right to decide who they let in or don’t let in to their borders.. And it’s not about race either. Or at least it shouldn’t be about race. If I was Italian for example I wouldn’t want a large influx of foreigners coming into my country and outnumbering the ethnic indigenous Italian people. I don’t care if they were other Europeans or Asians or whatever.
      I don’t agree with complete isolationism. The strongest nations and empires in the ancient world were the most cosmopolitan. In the Roman provinces you would have people from all around the empire from as far as India and Africa. But what matters here is proportion. A small amount of foreign peoples is not a big deal. It adds flavor to the dish. What’s going on in Europe now is the equivalent of taking the whole container of seasoning and dumping it all over the dish. There is such a thing as too much. Ideas and cultural interaction are powerful when they are used correctly. These days this justification is not as valid because we have things like the Internet and other media platforms to share technology and ideas from across the ocean in seconds. You don’t have to import numbers of that culture on mass to your Shores.
      The reason it wasn’t a big deal in ancient times is because there was always a dominant host culture that was the majority. Understand that when I say dominant I don’t mean it in the sense of dominating or subjugating other peoples. I simply mean that in Armenia the vast majority of people should be Armenian and the dominant culture in that nation should be the Armenian culture of native origin.
      Think of it the other way around. What if Europeans started migrating illegally on mass to African nations? Or what if they entered these nations as refugees because of some instability in their homelands. Now you tell me would the left condemn and harshly judge these countries for turning these Europeans away with the same passion they do with Europeans.
      Bear in mind that colonialism of the past is no excuse. Today in 2018 if something bad happened in Europe and Europeans by the thousands became refugees would you judge nations like Nigeria, India, China or Cuba for denying their entrance?
      I bring this up because the same Xenophobia was expressed by nationalists in Uganda against Chinese immigrants. But I didn’t see the media outlets irrupting with condemnation against Uganda or calling the people of Uganda racists or nativists.
      My biggest problem with the far left there for is the double standard that holds whites and nonwhites to two different standards of behavior. If we are going to judge Europeans we have to judge everyone.
      And it’s sad that I have to give this disclaimer but I have no bigotry or hatred for any race, ethnic group or culture. In fact I’m a history buff and one of my favorite subjects of study are African kingdoms and civilizations.
      Also I believe that the west should change its policy of interaction with developing nations. Instead of treating them like children who need to be fed they should be treated like up-and-coming nations who we should engage in open trade and partnerships. Which brings me to another reason that I hate leftist ideology. Treats people of color like children. In all my conversations with minority members with conservative leaning is the one common thread I have come to see is that they hate being talked down to or patronized by well-meaning but ignorant people who see them as an outlet to fulfill their Savior fantasies. Africa doesn’t need saving. Africans are more than capable of saving themselves and so are blacks in the United States and all other minority groups.
      So getting back to the topic of immigration, the best thing we can do to help developing nations is to help them where they are. When we import vast numbers of these people we are usually either importing the worst members of that society or the best. By importing the worst members we are hurting ourselves. By importing the best members we are hurting their homelands because we are depriving them of their best and brightest. This is brain drain which is the last thing developing nations need right now.

    • @KookiesNolly
      @KookiesNolly 6 лет назад +23

      Sako Gekchyan
      One thing you missed about cosmopolitan empires is that what usually made them strong was their ability to integrate foreigners. For instance, Shaun himself made a video about the fall of the Roman Empire and pointed it out. The strength of the Roman Empire was it’s ability to integrate people into their empire. It’s not just the foreigners that were trying to be good civilians, it was the Roman themselves that were welcoming. Their empire fell when they stopped being welcoming.
      So no, just having the indigenous group as a majority isn’t enough. Everyone has to make an effort to live together, the host and the foreigners.
      What you said about European countries patronizing Africa is very true. Anyone who knows the subject in depth will agree that Some European governments are responsible for the state of many African countries today, as they often pull the strings behind the curtains ( France does that a lot for example).
      I am an African immigrant living in France. , I left because there wasn’t much opportunity for me in my country ( plus the French government gave me a grant, I wasn’t going to say no lol!). I am not even interested in going back in my country unless it changes drastically, and believe me, it has to start with France attitude toward us and our current government because OH BOY!...
      As far as the migrants in Europe are concerned, I agree that there are lots of illegal immigrants coming to Italy. However, it’s important to not blow things out of proportion. Lots of migrants come legally and don’t cause any problem but of course no one ever talks about us because we can’t be used of a juicy headline. Illegal immigrants, obviously shouldn’t be allowed, but mixing them with the legal ones is unfair. Changing immigration policies is gonna affect the legal migrants more than the illegal ones, even though it’s the illegal immigrants that causes the most trouble. Most legal migrants don’t even stay in the country for the rest of their lives, and integrate pretty well because they come here with clear goals.
      It’s illegal immigration that is a problem in Europe, not all kind of immigration.

    • @KookiesNolly
      @KookiesNolly 6 лет назад +9

      Sako Gekchyan the use of the word « import » is very intentionally misleading in your last paragraph. You are trying to put the blame on the host for immigration. Some government give grants, sure, but migrants come in Europe because they want to. By using the world « import » you make it sound like there is a trade or Europe is bringing people in, as if they were the ones taking people and putting them in their country, even though some European countries are currently trying to limit the number of immigrants.
      Just don’t use the word import unless you are talking about goods or slaves brought to another country against their will.

  • @Fluffkitscripts
    @Fluffkitscripts 4 года назад +375

    “Shuri is unrealistic” this guy has never had a sibling. You’re SUPPOSED to make meaningless snipes at them. It’s just what you do. It’s a law of physics like gravity or government buildings having shitty WiFi.

    • @manuelmateo3392
      @manuelmateo3392 3 года назад +6

      To be fair, she's unrealistic in other ways, come on. It's fiction.

    • @davitdavid7165
      @davitdavid7165 3 года назад +21

      @@manuelmateo3392 yeah. Her being a super genious in all sciences is kinda unrealistic(no "women cant be scientists" bs though, just being this good at one is already incredible).

    • @RoseInTheWeeds
      @RoseInTheWeeds 2 года назад +41

      @@davitdavid7165 Yeah, but no more than Tony Stark being an expert in every field including creating timetravel over like a weekend. But I know fo r a fact Sargon would never call Tony's unreallistic scientific competency out... I wonder what's the difference there...

    • @davitdavid7165
      @davitdavid7165 2 года назад +17

      @@RoseInTheWeeds its like when they exploded when captain marvel was releassed lol.

  • @Worr
    @Worr 6 лет назад +914

    Paul Joseph Haven't Watchson

  • @fmadiva
    @fmadiva 6 лет назад +2490

    I think what people wrongly assume about Black Panther is that it's supposed to be mostly a narrative about white racism but in fact it's a narrative about *Black identity* it's more so about the conflicts that happen within the black community, which of course are influenced by things like colonialism. Killmonger is the jaded Black American who represents the pain of being separated from the motherland and the damage it can do to one's sense of heritage. T'challa is the black identity that could've existed if white colonialism didn't destroy it and taint it. That's why it's fitting that Killmonger had the motive that he did. Idk I'm tired of everything having to be black vs. white in black narratives, this is a pro black movie so it's nice to talk about the deeper aspects of black identity when it comes to race. I disagree that they were trying to appease white people by not going into colonialism, in fact they were pretty much disregarding white viewers by making the movie so black-centric, making it something Black people would relate to the most, culturally speaking that is.

    • @fmadiva
      @fmadiva 6 лет назад +149

      Really happy you talked about this though, smh it must be tiring watching all the alt-right idiots scramble to serve their own agenda

    • @Hoshikage869
      @Hoshikage869 6 лет назад +169

      Thank you for posting this comment. You took the words right out of my brain. This subject of black identity and being cut off from a far-reaching cultural history as a result of colonialism is something that's very painful to me, and the movie tackling this made it so powerful to me.

    • @jjj7790
      @jjj7790 6 лет назад +101

      I'm glad you mentioned this, because it's something I sometimes forget as well. This movie is very well-crafted in that regard.
      Mainstream media that speaks about black issues without somehow centering it around white people and white main characters is very rare.
      The writers also made very clear that Killmonger wasn't a "bad" black person. Media that addresses issues of race often have the villain be a "bad" person who deserves being punished because his "reverse racism" makes him just as bad as his oppressors. Black Panther skipped this entirely.
      They also made sure to point out that his methods of taking over Wakanda were taught to him by colonists (the CIA) and had no black/African origin.

    • @henryhamel8465
      @henryhamel8465 5 лет назад +70

      Usually Shaun hits the mark 100%, but I agree, I don't think he quite understood the point of Eric Killmonger and what he represents.

    • @KateeAngel
      @KateeAngel 5 лет назад +33

      Wouldn't most black people hate Wakanda if it was real? I mean during imperialism and slave trade Wakanda did nothing to stop that from happening in rest of Africa

  • @alexjaybrady
    @alexjaybrady 6 лет назад +672

    Sargon confuses sisters for love interests?? I know hes from Swindon but wow thats on the nose even for him haha!

    • @sewershaman3280
      @sewershaman3280 5 лет назад +58

      Is Swindon like the British version of Alabama

    • @horricule451
      @horricule451 5 лет назад +14

      @@sewershaman3280 i guess

    • @horricule451
      @horricule451 5 лет назад +119

      @@sewershaman3280 britain doesn't need its own alabama, they already have the royal family

    • @eva8759
      @eva8759 5 лет назад +13

      @death llama Tbh it’s nothing special. You'll find a shitty town like Swindon every few miles in Britain.

    • @deechonada
      @deechonada 5 лет назад +6

      @@sewershaman3280 i wouldn't say so, what it is though is a literal shithole. I did know Sargon was from there but now i get whu he's likes this. I'd hate everything too if i had to live there

  • @silverstarinthesky
    @silverstarinthesky 6 лет назад +229

    "Intended to be watched and understood by children" Damn Shaun, throwing some shade

  • @davidcolby167
    @davidcolby167 6 лет назад +672

    "In times of trouble, the wise build bridges, while the foolish build walls." - man wearing a trump hat, apparently.

    • @DemonlordHatty
      @DemonlordHatty 6 лет назад +94

      David Colby I love that that’s the most profound quote out of the movie too. Like that IS what you’re supposed to take out of it.

    • @jblue1622
      @jblue1622 6 лет назад +17

      DemonlordHatty yeah I was like oh shoot that's too relevant

    • @christiegreenwood2642
      @christiegreenwood2642 6 лет назад +33

      This makes Pajama Watson and his little buddies look even stupider, which seems impossible; I know.

    • @davidcolby167
      @davidcolby167 6 лет назад +34

      It's sad that even with the super obvious sarcasm at the end, I still have to ask...you are being sarcastic, right? >///> It's...getting hard to tell with some people...

    • @Matrim42
      @Matrim42 6 лет назад +20

      David Colby Yeah, people really need to tag their sarcasm, because there's no parody so cartoonish that it doesn't look like what one of those alt-right yahoos actually says.

  • @thestonedabbot9551
    @thestonedabbot9551 5 лет назад +880

    Stefan: "Wakanda is a successful and thriving country because it was able to keep it's borders closed, preserve it's culture and not get wiped out by invading forces."
    Stefan: "There was no genocide of the Native Americans and colonialism was great."

    • @muhammedbinhussain510
      @muhammedbinhussain510 4 года назад +2

      1 Most of the natives died of diseases
      2 the natives were really in stone age and were cannibals with human sacrifices before Europeans came

    • @muhammedbinhussain510
      @muhammedbinhussain510 4 года назад +4

      And ofc the case of natives is a pretty strong argument for anti immigration

    • @justarandomguy5573
      @justarandomguy5573 4 года назад +111

      @@muhammedbinhussain510 Where are you from ?

    • @marialuz7301
      @marialuz7301 4 года назад +109

      @@muhammedbinhussain510 Dude, you are delusional

    • @TheNoraa890
      @TheNoraa890 4 года назад +58

      @@muhammedbinhussain510 diseases that came from Europeans who did it on purpose.

  • @dorabyrne1518
    @dorabyrne1518 6 лет назад +414

    Sheesh. At the end of the movie he even specifically calls out how building walls is bad and stupid. I guess he should've also looked into the camera and added "also Trump is bad and stupid too."

  • @nassapeepo4303
    @nassapeepo4303 6 лет назад +264

    every time I am subject to the voices of PJW and Molyneaux, I lose several years off my life

    • @nassapeepo4303
      @nassapeepo4303 6 лет назад +46

      Robert Grant OW THE EDGEEE

    • @KingStinko
      @KingStinko 6 лет назад +31

      Anyone have a bandaid? Think I just cut myself on that edge.

    • @MrWhopper10
      @MrWhopper10 6 лет назад +35

      Robert Grant I've seen you leave all sorts of pedantic, one-line comments that make no damn sense in the comments section. Keep it up, I've needed token alt-righters to give me a quick laugh.

    • @doriangray5750
      @doriangray5750 6 лет назад +2

      Why don't you call his show *then and debate where you think he's wrong, instead of wasting more years of your life just moaning on Shaun's channel?

    • @DemonlordHatty
      @DemonlordHatty 6 лет назад +17

      @toolonghitlermeme The last time Molyneux had a debate on camera with a leftist, he hung up on them in a fit of rage because the caller caught him in a logic loop.

  • @rushabhbhakta7181
    @rushabhbhakta7181 6 лет назад +142

    Dude, I found your page because of a vid hammering CinemaSins and got worried when I saw some of the vid titles in your history because I assumed you must be another right-wing RUclipsr spouting nonsense but I’m SO PLEASED that you’re the exact opposite. Keep doing what you’re doing.

  • @jackjones4248
    @jackjones4248 6 лет назад +747

    Please do a trigger warning before you play PJW's voice, i can't deal with surprises like that in the morning

    • @atlas8827
      @atlas8827 6 лет назад +88

      I want one for Stefan too.

    • @SJNaka101
      @SJNaka101 5 лет назад +6

      If you haven't seen it, watch Eric Taxxon's video We Are Who We Are. Pjw's voice has never been so beautiful

    • @Spunjji
      @Spunjji 5 лет назад +15

      @@SJNaka101 What the hell did I just watch

    • @highsun76
      @highsun76 3 года назад +5

      Agreed, something so insufferable about his voice.

    • @MrJimheeren
      @MrJimheeren 3 года назад +7

      Could be worse, it could be Ben Shapiro

  • @donovanmurff5677
    @donovanmurff5677 6 лет назад +355

    Love how the alt right says "its just a movie, calm down black people".
    Then immediately somehow conflate it to reality

    • @starmaker75
      @starmaker75 6 лет назад +40

      Cough Ben Shapiro cough cough

    • @jblue1622
      @jblue1622 6 лет назад +19

      Robert Grant lol both groups can easily do the same thing, "no the left is the only one that poops!!!!!!"

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt 6 лет назад +20

      It's just a movie... they made Heimdall black? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • @andrewdevine3920
      @andrewdevine3920 6 лет назад

      Someone need to tell Lupita Nyong'o that, because she's going around telling people it's an acurate depiction of a black society untainted by colonialism.

    • @donovanmurff5677
      @donovanmurff5677 6 лет назад +8

      Andrew Devine im not sure if youre understanding the double standard and hipocracy

  • @aypanda1995
    @aypanda1995 6 лет назад +312

    i didnt get why sargon of akkad said shuri was insufferable bc she kept on undermining the king. WHAT DID HE EXPECT??? thats how siblings WORK. jesus christ, all i learned was sargon of akkad is an only child who doesnt understand sibling rivalry, sibling JOKES, and sibling relationships.

    • @alex_roivas333
      @alex_roivas333 6 лет назад +60

      like when shuri teased t'challa by being really formal and referring to him as "my king" and then t'challa laughed and said "shut up". lol, yep, sargon's probably an only child

    • @christiegreenwood2642
      @christiegreenwood2642 6 лет назад +18

      That's because Carl is a bleeding moron, dear. He doesn't understand anything - ever.

    • @Furionic696
      @Furionic696 6 лет назад +2

      Yeah nobody in the world ever stayed with their cousins for the weekend, you sure you aren't the one with a bubbleview of how families work man? I know borthers who don't talk to one another not because they hate each other or have bad blood between them but simply because they're different people, I know sisters that fucking hate each other and would do anything to have seperate rooms from one another and I know siblings that constantly undermime each other whether it be for comedy or to genuinely feel like a superior twat, idk man you must not have had cousins growing up, there's no possible way someone with cousins could think that way, because they would already know what it's like to have a cousin or a cousin.

    • @emilyoswin3830
      @emilyoswin3830 5 лет назад +18

      no no you see Sargon has never spoken to another human in his life. he just locks himself in his house in yells about SJWS AND FEMINISM ARE CANCER THE WORLD IS OVER

    • @Falxifer95
      @Falxifer95 5 лет назад +21

      It's a woman having fun at the expense of her older brother who happens to be a man in a position of power. No wonder he can't stand her.

  • @AWearyExile
    @AWearyExile 6 лет назад +211

    How can anyone listen to that Molyneaux guy talk for more than like a minute?

    • @MushiePuppet17
      @MushiePuppet17 3 года назад +15

      That dude is literally one of the creepiest guys on the internet

    • @highsun76
      @highsun76 3 года назад +7

      I could listen to him but only if my phone's on mute.

    • @HeWhoLaugths
      @HeWhoLaugths 3 года назад +6

      It feels degrading

    • @somedude1331
      @somedude1331 3 года назад +1

      Here's how: They don't

  • @sofia.eris.bauhaus
    @sofia.eris.bauhaus 6 лет назад +563

    "i haven't actually seen it..!" pjw is such an outstanding idiot. XD

    • @ard1805
      @ard1805 5 лет назад +32

      I didn’t watch the video, what are you talking about?

    • @m.h2247
      @m.h2247 4 года назад +8

      Ar D Paul Joseph Watson makes an analysis on wakanda and its political implications but admits he hasn’t actually watched the movie.

    • @comradewildcat1770
      @comradewildcat1770 4 года назад +35

      @@m.h2247 I didn't read his comment, what are you talking about?

    • @downsjmmyjones101
      @downsjmmyjones101 4 года назад +4

      PJW is truly astounding. I thought you could only find people that stupid in small town America. Sad to hear that people that stupid exist everywhere.

    • @charleswashington3973
      @charleswashington3973 4 года назад +3

      James Downs i mean the UK has REALLY shown their ass in the last two months lmao

  • @MedicineMelanch0ly
    @MedicineMelanch0ly 6 лет назад +149

    Isolationism due to protecting one from colonialism and legitimate invaders is also very different from an imperial power exploiting other nations then closing the door on them. Alt-right bros, you can't just make a bunch of false equivalences and then complain that it's unfair the fact that they're black makes them different. Context actually matters, you can't just take everything across the world and across history and act like it's the same everywhere and everywhen.

    • @legrandliseurtri7495
      @legrandliseurtri7495 4 года назад +6

      @Scott Drinkwater Arabs? You mean how the ottoman empire was divided into new countries, all with kings, by europeans...?

    • @literallygaston2489
      @literallygaston2489 4 года назад +3

      Scott Drinkwater Yeah because those white men were terrible back then too

  • @jamesmorgan9258
    @jamesmorgan9258 6 лет назад +1042

    Another thing that really bothers me about this: pretty much every alt-righter that's talked about the movie has mentioned how the science is unrealistic. I mean, sure, the hovertrains are never really explained in detail because that's not the point of the movie, but people specifically mention that it's ridiculous to imagine that there's some magical East-African mineral that can run cities and launch spaceships. Sounds reasonable enough.
    Except that if you do some cursory Googling you'll find that East-Africa is actually the source of most of the world's coltan, which is used in almost every electronic device. Vibranium is one of the most realistic movie-magic-wonder-metals because it's based on a real-life wonder metal that we do use to well, run cities and launch spaceships.
    I guess this sort of knowledge isn't super widespread but it's still really frustrating to see people basically just ignoring one of the cleverest pieces of worldbuilding in the movie so that they can complain about how unrealistic it is.

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen 6 лет назад +135

      Africa is amazingly mineral rich.

    • @Avrysatos
      @Avrysatos 6 лет назад +162

      Limey Lassen why do you think it was robbed by Europe so many times.. Still is.. Ain't it? Sigh. Colonialism...

    • @PretentiousAdonis
      @PretentiousAdonis 6 лет назад +187

      James Morgan Also it's a fucking marvel movie. In the same universe there's a fucking raccoon that spits jokes and shoots people, but a fucking rock is unrealistic.

    • @LeftyPlaat
      @LeftyPlaat 6 лет назад +7

      So they must like the starwars prequels then?

    • @rottingdog6798
      @rottingdog6798 6 лет назад +13

      Of course Africa is rich, it's a continent.

  • @Clawshrimpy
    @Clawshrimpy 6 лет назад +212

    Are you honestly surprised PJW/Incel Corner Cheong/Calgon/Stefan thought all the people of Wakanda were the same? Remember Stefan's awful video about the Native American Genocide where he lumped all Native Americans into one group and not realize there were multiple tribes and cultures with different beliefs?

    • @Fnorgh
      @Fnorgh 6 лет назад +49

      I mean, they even lump all the white people in the world into one big monolithic entity. And as we all know, there's no difference at all between the cultures and attitudes of, say, Norway, France, Russia and the US, and their interests and goals are all perfectly aligned which means this grouping is not at all arbitrary!

    • @rust44
      @rust44 6 лет назад +11

      aromisuolakaivos I bet they also apply the one drop rule.

    • @nuklearboysymbiote
      @nuklearboysymbiote 3 года назад

      @@Fnorgh its funny because they only started expanding the definition of white because their ideology was dying. somehow people did buy into it tho. sad

  • @ryanjoyce5171
    @ryanjoyce5171 6 лет назад +52

    I remember T'Chala chastising his sister about her wanting to become queen, but I thought it was about the fact that he was the elder child, making him the next in line. He clearly looks older than her.
    Also, one of the people that decided not to challenged him at the beginning was a woman, so it appears that women can become the head of state.
    -1 for Sargon

  • @lostgrief
    @lostgrief 6 лет назад +254

    Of course Sargon hated Shuri. OF COURSE

    • @iamjackspyramidshapedhelmet
      @iamjackspyramidshapedhelmet 6 лет назад +98

      And of course he confuses two of the black women for one another.

    • @maduinargentus5878
      @maduinargentus5878 6 лет назад +51

      I imagine he tells Okoye apart because the other two have hair and only by that.

    • @sasugakirin
      @sasugakirin 6 лет назад +48

      The scenes where they were together must have really confused him. He probably thought Shuri developed a vibranium clone

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen 6 лет назад +2

      Fake grrl gamer

    • @amaka637
      @amaka637 6 лет назад +2

      +Terminimal I'm stealing that term 😂

  • @beetle3434
    @beetle3434 6 лет назад +852

    I hate looking at and listening to Stefan Molyneux.
    He is just...the worst.

    • @maxfieldstanton5411
      @maxfieldstanton5411 6 лет назад +137

      Repulsive to all of the senses.

    • @beetle3434
      @beetle3434 6 лет назад +46

      Like a human sebaceous cyst
      (Look it up. Or rather, don't)

    • @madelyn7723
      @madelyn7723 6 лет назад +75

      His voice makes my skin crawl

    • @magnificentgoldenbeast6099
      @magnificentgoldenbeast6099 6 лет назад +18

      I don't think he's the worst. I've read Plato and Aristotle and they were incorrect about so much. I read them and am fascinated because they teach how to think and break down issues. Treat Molyneux the same way. Use him as a way to sharpen your critical thinking skills. Take what you believe and leave the rest.
      He does make a good cult leader, though.

    • @magnificentgoldenbeast6099
      @magnificentgoldenbeast6099 6 лет назад

      Also, Shaun is incorrect. See my long comment.

  • @jimmyl27
    @jimmyl27 5 лет назад +65

    Everytime Shaun says “Hello everyone” I get indescribable feelings of euphoria

    • @symphoniaIX
      @symphoniaIX Год назад

      the famous pinterest user stupid jimmy omg

  • @SubtleDagger3
    @SubtleDagger3 6 лет назад +170

    jpw: i didnt watch but the worst twitter poster explained it
    stefan molyneux: i watched it but was busy thinking about monologuing
    carl: i watched it but all black people look the same, oops im racist

  • @BlackBeWhite2k7
    @BlackBeWhite2k7 6 лет назад +327

    We're at a point in which the right can't even properly interpret a movie most kids can follow.
    Also, the lack of originality among the "skeptic/rational" community never ceases to astound me. These people just regurgitate the same shit between another, and their fanbases never get tired of hearing the same argument several times over.

    • @trunkulent
      @trunkulent 6 лет назад +1

      I recommend a few lesser known ones: Dr Layman, who's probably the most fair-minded to progressives; Gabriel Lucas, who's niche, but concise; and Vernaculis, who's just pretty frickin' cool.

    • @magnificentgoldenbeast6099
      @magnificentgoldenbeast6099 6 лет назад

      Shaun is incorrect. See my long comment.

    • @micmac274
      @micmac274 6 лет назад +27

      Shaun is right and you're listening to Nazis. Because alt-right was invented by National Socialist Movement as a re-branding, NEVER, EVER forget that.

    • @Specopleader
      @Specopleader 6 лет назад +15

      Robert Grant , To be fair and accurate, the arising states that originally pursued a communist society and failed, are the ones at fault. Not the economic philosophy itself, which mentions and implies nothing about those atrocities as a requirement.

    • @magnificentgoldenbeast6099
      @magnificentgoldenbeast6099 6 лет назад +1

      Aurora. Seriously? The economic philosophy leads directly to mass slaughter. The ideas of communism and redistribution of wealth are so anti what human biology is all about that it is an impossibility to implement. Every time communism is tried it fails and leads to slaughter.
      To say that communism as a philosophy is correct is to say that if a frog had wings he wouldn't bounce around on his ass all day. He doesn't and he does. The only way communism can work is if we are no longer humans. We'd have to be a different species.
      Now, there are welfare states that seem peaceful and prosperous. Can you guess which ones they are? Correct, only WHITE countries have successful welfare states. White northern European countries have high taxes with cradle to grave welfare benefits and they work well. They aren't communist but they take a lot of taxes. Something about their white biology or white culture makes them work very well. I don't know which and I don't care. What's for sure is that there are no successful black countries and welfare for the black community is highly destructive and even the blacks recognize this and are calling welfare the new black plantation.

  • @spartanladkenny7870
    @spartanladkenny7870 6 лет назад +29

    Shaun, the only thing I'd like to add that you don't mention in the video is that wakandas isolationism was not because they wanted to keep all their resources and power to themselves but because they were aware of the power vibranium and weren't sure if the rest of world which is full of greed and other imperialist vices would not abuse this power. This isn't similar to the extreme right position of isolationism which wants to protect its resources so other people who are in need of them don't use them.

  • @MalcH
    @MalcH 6 лет назад +121

    Are we really supposed to believe Sargon sat through that entire movie though

    • @bobthemonitor9697
      @bobthemonitor9697 6 лет назад +49

      Mal c.H Seriously. It’s, like, 27 Sargons long. No way he watched the whole thing.

    • @MalcH
      @MalcH 6 лет назад +3

      Bob the Monitor ;)

  • @prahanormal
    @prahanormal 6 лет назад +492

    So the right wing idealogues are at the point of just going "actually popular thing that is specifically opposed to my politics is actually FOR them because I don't understand nuance." That seems cool and also good.

    • @amaka637
      @amaka637 6 лет назад +5

      +prahanormal You caught that too! 😆

    • @LqdHt777
      @LqdHt777 6 лет назад +16

      prahanormal just how they always cite studies that say the opposite of what they say

    • @samvarleystephens
      @samvarleystephens 6 лет назад +15

      You've never set foot in Europe have you?

    • @ParticleJesus
      @ParticleJesus 6 лет назад +2

      Black Panther is pro-ethnonationalism which helps ethnonationalists of all races.

    • @Jensegaense
      @Jensegaense 6 лет назад +2

      Hunu Ah yes, the story of a leader of a country having to decide how to manage the relationship of his country with the rest of the world has no relation to real life AT ALL...
      /s

  • @FinetalPies
    @FinetalPies 6 лет назад +206

    Saying Black Panther celebrates isolationism is exactly like saying A Christmas Carol celebrates greed

  • @thepeacetimebookclub3029
    @thepeacetimebookclub3029 6 лет назад +358

    This video is all well and good but you're getting too caught up on facts and logic. Where's the blatant oversimplification and lack of research?

    • @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 5 лет назад +36

      Let me help you out there lol.
      This movie is now about ummm... Satan! Because uhhh... Death and afterlife are things that happen in the movie.

    • @gelatinocyte6270
      @gelatinocyte6270 5 лет назад +13

      @@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      I thought you were talking about Infinity War

    • @wojciechficek616
      @wojciechficek616 3 года назад +3

      @@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 No, it's completely anti-Christian because the afterlife doesn't have God or Satan!
      Edit: Or sends the message that black people don't get the same afterlife as we do

  • @HxH2011DRA
    @HxH2011DRA 6 лет назад +1523

    *Reads title
    If this was literally ANYONE else I'd assume it was clickbait XD

    • @HxH2011DRA
      @HxH2011DRA 6 лет назад

      C. A. Ya can, see above

    • @HxH2011DRA
      @HxH2011DRA 6 лет назад +3

      Tracy Wilburn I have ascended

    • @HxH2011DRA
      @HxH2011DRA 6 лет назад

      Neal Kelly Coolness~

    • @TerenceMichaelReeves
      @TerenceMichaelReeves 6 лет назад +11

      Call it, "a clever rhetorical device". Maybe it'll actually draw in a few who are looking to have that opinion validated, when it is in fact being questioned.

    • @HxH2011DRA
      @HxH2011DRA 6 лет назад +1

      Terminimal What are you talking about? I never freez...clickbait~

  • @The4blu
    @The4blu 4 года назад +40

    If you criticise Shuri for being unrealistic but not Tony Stark, you’ve shown your hand

  • @SomeSchmuck1
    @SomeSchmuck1 6 лет назад +71

    After watching Black Panther, and unlike the RUclips pundits you reference, actually followed the story from beginning to end I walked out of the theater asking, "Is it just me or was this entire movie a giant middle finger to Trump?" I and my friend concluded yes, and that Black Panther was better for it. And with those idiots trying to hijack the movie for the politics the movie itself blatantly shows to be bad (and clearly basing these attempts on the premise at the start of the movie), the real question becomes "Are conservatives capable of learning?"

    • @KookiesNolly
      @KookiesNolly 6 лет назад +11

      SomeSchmuck1 at the end even said that building walls between people is foolish.
      I think we should stop expecting human cognitive abilities from the « skeptics » and the alt-right

  • @-biki-
    @-biki- 6 лет назад +423

    It's so amazing to me that these guys, with so many followers, get so much of the base facts about the film wrong. Not small things, but pivotal themes.
    ... do they help write cinemasins? /s

    • @aerenrose3528
      @aerenrose3528 6 лет назад +11

      you can get rid of that /s they probably do

    • @LarryLopez91
      @LarryLopez91 6 лет назад +27

      It's terrifying how many followers they have and how many likes their videos get.

    • @LarryLopez91
      @LarryLopez91 6 лет назад +51

      Robert Grant
      Authoritarianism is terrifying, period. By the way, your earlier comment about how the left is supposedly defending a "homogeneous totalitarian regime based on violence" is just laughable. I've heard nobody defending that shit. Lay off those "skeptic" videos for a bit, eh?

    • @LarryLopez91
      @LarryLopez91 6 лет назад +38

      Robert Grant
      You said the left is defending this kind of place (homogeneous totalitarian regime based on violence). Are we?

    • @LarryLopez91
      @LarryLopez91 6 лет назад +43

      Robert Grant
      Maybe they just liked the actual movie and not the idea of a "Wakanda."

  • @chesspiece4257
    @chesspiece4257 4 года назад +103

    Imagine watching Black Panther and forgetting the entire moral of the story

    • @PhoenixRising87
      @PhoenixRising87 3 года назад +18

      Deliberately missing the point about things and being smug about it is how they make money. What I'm saying is...South Park has been a terrible influence on our generation.

    • @LadyAstarionAncunin
      @LadyAstarionAncunin Год назад +3

      *ignoring
      They didn’t forget a thing.

  • @artrosemaloca4663
    @artrosemaloca4663 6 лет назад +65

    God, Sargon saying "woke" just fucking grossed me out.

    • @Taylr4
      @Taylr4 6 лет назад +2

      That's the point, whenever someone says something ridiculous like "women are vindictive creatures who remember everything" he calls that woke too, it's irreverent humor.

    • @artrosemaloca4663
      @artrosemaloca4663 6 лет назад +1

      Jolly Trolly it's a gross man saying words that do not belong to him.

    • @Taylr4
      @Taylr4 6 лет назад

      Words that do not belong to him, are you saying he appropriated woke? He says the word in the way i described above because it's a ridiculous word.
      Also words don't belong to anyone, that's absurd.

    • @Scoring57
      @Scoring57 6 лет назад

      Jolly Trolly
      Eventually he'll say it seriously like most white people do with a lot of black terms. And why is "woke" ridiculous?

    • @Taylr4
      @Taylr4 6 лет назад

      woke is a black term now, interesting you see it that way. Woke is an ideological term and it's ridiculous for the same reason redpill is; It assumes you have the "right" answer, if you go into a dialect assuming everything you know is right and you're just trying to convert who you're talking to then it's not really a dialect at all. This is unhealthy and unproductive.

  • @DahVoozel
    @DahVoozel 6 лет назад +83

    So, are Sargon, Stephan and Paul willing to finally admit that they empathize with the idea of Wakanda's xenophobia because they are fearful creatures scared of those they would call inferior?

  • @guitarsimon1
    @guitarsimon1 2 года назад +100

    Black person: *exists*
    The right: Why are you being a black supremacist!? You’re oppressing meeee!

    • @yoloswaggins7121
      @yoloswaggins7121 2 года назад +18

      And yet they don't understand why there always accused of being racist

    • @westonmeyer3110
      @westonmeyer3110 2 года назад +3

      This is literally the left concerning white people.

    • @MeganAllen1738
      @MeganAllen1738 2 года назад +17

      @@westonmeyer3110 no.

    • @westonmeyer3110
      @westonmeyer3110 2 года назад

      @@MeganAllen1738
      Yes, very much so.
      White tears, white privilege, white fragility, toxic(white)masculinity. Literally the fear of white people existing.
      There sure as fuck isn’t anything even resembling this stuff against black people.

    • @eradict
      @eradict Год назад

      ​@@MeganAllen1738 🙃

  • @salokin3087
    @salokin3087 6 лет назад +1581

    Carl, Paul and Stefan are still stupid? Imagine muh shock!

    • @starmaker75
      @starmaker75 6 лет назад +18

      Really what new

    • @smjaiteh
      @smjaiteh 6 лет назад +146

      I like how the entire argument could be boiled down to: watch past the first 45 minutes of a two hour film.

    • @kingofthegundam7974
      @kingofthegundam7974 6 лет назад +192

      The deliberate misunderstanding of films to serve their narrative is nothing new to these people. What makes this more egregious than their other "truth of" videos is that Black Panther actually says out loud that only fools build walls not bridges, the exact opposite of Alt Right and Trump thinking multiple times and yet they proceed to completely misunderstand to try to... I dunno, own liberals or something.

    • @Graknorke
      @Graknorke 6 лет назад +136

      I know for a fact Sargon does it on purpose. The number of times he's had basic stuff explained to him and he accepts it, then days later says the same shit goes beyond stupidity and into being wilful.

    • @HereComesPopoBawa
      @HereComesPopoBawa 6 лет назад +2

      "I wonder, said Lafarge, just how much Molly knew"

  • @PBDNR
    @PBDNR 6 лет назад +178

    It's a bit hard to believe that I used to watch Sargon. He's insufferable.

    • @PBDNR
      @PBDNR 6 лет назад +34

      Dangerous Joy I always found his authoritative tone insufferable even back then, but idk it must have been captivating in some way, because he was one of my favorite RUclipsrs. His comments section being filled with alt-righters, and actual neo Nazis being widely supported, and how he was just fine with that, is what drove me away from his channel like like 2 years ago.
      I would have always considered myself socially libertarian and an economic leftist, and I still do. I have been learning more about how power structures throughout history influence society though. Which is something that I wouldn't have been able to consider back in the anti sjw days.

    • @kennethfender3518
      @kennethfender3518 6 лет назад +6

      Saaaame. That said what I really can't believe that you think Princess Bubblegum did nothing wrong, that's the most inexplicable opinion I've seen.

    • @KookiesNolly
      @KookiesNolly 6 лет назад +4

      Same !i feel so ashamed now😔

    • @User71956
      @User71956 6 лет назад +7

      I use to be subscribed to Stephen, before I realized the guy was bat shit insane.

    • @athomassen3980
      @athomassen3980 6 лет назад +17

      It could be worse, I used to watch MrRepzion and the Amazing Atheist...

  • @pheenmachine
    @pheenmachine 2 года назад +29

    The first mistake is assuming they're arguing in good faith

  • @BiPaganMan
    @BiPaganMan 6 лет назад +83

    Anyone who says the movie has an pro-Trump message obviously didn't stay for the mid credits scene.

    • @Phantom1op
      @Phantom1op 6 лет назад +8

      IKR, in fact if there was anything in the film that had a pro-trump message it was the villain of the film, not the hero.

    • @jjj7790
      @jjj7790 6 лет назад +9

      I wouldn't say that either because Killmonger is pro-Globalization (albeit to conquer for revenge) and doesn't hate black people.

  • @xereeto
    @xereeto 6 лет назад +71

    Great video! One thing you missed though, that I think is quite important because it further underscores how unattentive Carl of Swindon is, is that he's wrong about it being a patriarchal society where only men can rule. In the scene where the other tribes are given the opportunity to challenge T'Challa, one of their leaders is a woman... so clearly if she had chosen to fight him and had won, she would have become the ruler.

    • @NoddingNegative
      @NoddingNegative 6 лет назад +32

      xereeto Plus, in T’Challa’s second ancestral plane scene, I spotted at least one, maybe two female Black Panther ancestors!

    • @jordanetherington1922
      @jordanetherington1922 6 лет назад +19

      ALso in the comics, Shuri has been the Black Panther at times.

    • @pinkcloudsnightlightbell
      @pinkcloudsnightlightbell 6 лет назад +9

      The cast has said several times that there’s no issue with gender in the right to ascend to the throne. Or excel at things they enjoy. Or just be themselves.

    • @sutyerator
      @sutyerator 6 лет назад +4

      Women would still be on average at a disadvantage regarding ascension to the throne, since the monarch is chosen through combat, but it's true that technically speaking a woman can become the monarch if she has royal blood and can fight well. Shuri would have a good chance at taking the throne if she had the fighting prowess of Okoye, for example.

    • @pinkcloudsnightlightbell
      @pinkcloudsnightlightbell 6 лет назад +6

      I don't know... Why are we still thinking on gendered lines about that specific process considering the source material tho. Y'all are bumming me out!
      To expand (while I have caffeine in my system):
      On the contrary I'd think a leader that can be inside a ring of spears and, not having the literal-physical upper hand--BTW, rn let's not belabour how there are probably nb and trans women with stature and muscleage or that Wakandans don't have a permanent! version of ContraPoints' Vitalimax(TM) lol--still make the opponent say uncle would be SCARY STRONG & smart. There's factors to this. :V And idk, there's plenty of issues with the hereditary monarchy but I guess lines of royalty would totes focus on securing the means to raise adults who are 100% fit, both gains-wise AND learning-wise so why not? Shaun's said himself that statements that say "on average" always betray biases & fall rly rly swiftly under real-world situations that folk do contextualize in the moment ntm for All Time.
      And, like, yo, being like less scrappy and more witty for lack of a better term (just like having an inborn physical weakness) doesn't equal a lack of 1) respect, 2) responsibility, & 3) respect FOR a responsibility to your own peoples. That's all that matters, and anyway leadership is momentary and should always fall away to new leadership among the kids!!!! Among _all_ the kids. :B
      PS:
      [gives obligatory raspberry and middle finger towards Sargon]

  • @TalysAlankil
    @TalysAlankil 6 лет назад +30

    The best part about Carlgon saying Shuri can't ever be queen of Wakanda…is that she was queen in the comics. She was also the Black Panther. T'Challa was busy doing I don't remember what due to whatever big event was going on in the Marvel Universe at the time.
    But sticking to the movie, how can you watch a movie where the general is female, half of the council is female, the resident tech expert is female, and think Wakanda's a patriarchy?

    • @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 5 лет назад +2

      Oh snap lol... Didn't know that lolz. Carl looks ever worse to me now lol. Didn't think that was possible.

  • @sabrinagranger5468
    @sabrinagranger5468 6 лет назад +117

    It's like a Rorschach test. These people look at the movie, see a defense of their gross ideologies, and ignore the rest.

    • @Kilamanjaro009
      @Kilamanjaro009 6 лет назад +16

      They do this with everything, which is why they claim to be the party of Lincoln, but support everything of the Confederacy.

    • @alexturlais8558
      @alexturlais8558 6 лет назад +6

      No, its like looking at a sign saying "bad things are bad" and then thinking "yes, obviously bad things are good. Them liberals, thinking bad things aren't bad because they're written in black."

    • @NIHIL_EGO
      @NIHIL_EGO 5 лет назад

      They do the same with "Fight Club".

  • @EpicLuigi24
    @EpicLuigi24 6 лет назад +116

    The youtube right never cease to surprise me

    • @daruleism4093
      @daruleism4093 6 лет назад +18

      Robert Grant how forced

    • @palpatinevevo9773
      @palpatinevevo9773 6 лет назад +8

      Adrian Rivero it's not really wrong though, RUclips politics in itself is pathetic

    • @EpicLuigi24
      @EpicLuigi24 6 лет назад +13

      Politics aside, I think that's why I like the lefty channels so much. They don't take themselves deadly serious the way people like Molyneux or Sargon do

    • @Scoring57
      @Scoring57 6 лет назад +3

      Palpatine VEVO
      Being predictable in your politics just means you're consistent. Are you trying to make a point? Constantly surprising people with your reasoning and politics means you might be a little irrational and erratic

    • @jghifiversveiws8729
      @jghifiversveiws8729 5 лет назад

      @Doven Ro Galus Precisely!

  • @aquanecromancer5776
    @aquanecromancer5776 5 лет назад +44

    This video just should've been a loop of T'challa screaming "All of you were wrong!" at his ancestors. How could you miss that an essential part of his character arc is realizing that Wakanda's sequestering itself from the rest of Africa and the world was a mistake?

    • @GespenstDesKommunismus
      @GespenstDesKommunismus Год назад

      Though as far as I see it, the movie still overall states that you should respect your ancestors in some way, otherwise he wouldn't be found talking to them all the time (even if he may disagree with them on one point). From a German perspective, this seems especially off putting, imagine if I'd start having a conversation with my ancestors and taking advise from them, even if I might disagree with them on one point. Also, already in the title "Wakanda forever", the movie seems to be advocating for a modern type of nationalism, being proud of your nation, even if not being proud of everyone that has ever been in it. The analogy to "Deutschland über alles" just seems too clear to me.

  • @discordant8543
    @discordant8543 6 лет назад +87

    Innuendo studios, contra, and Shaun on the same *day*?! Truly the old gods have blessed this day

    • @vu8944
      @vu8944 6 лет назад +5

      It can only be the Dark Mother

    • @oohcomma
      @oohcomma 6 лет назад +1

      Fru Fru Fru Ha ha Lindsay actually just tweeted that she finished her video, so I'm just "patiently" waiting now.

    • @minch333
      @minch333 6 лет назад +4

      & Malmrose Projects! Check her out if you haven't heard of her, she really deserves more subs

    • @johnblack4307
      @johnblack4307 6 лет назад

      Fear the old blood

    • @CaptainBagman
      @CaptainBagman 6 лет назад

      Malmrose Projects video on Star Wars is pretty great.

  • @sh0k0nes
    @sh0k0nes 6 лет назад +117

    How do these supposedly intelligent commentators get followers? They are so single minded in their ignorance it boggles my mind. They keep crying it's a JUST a movie and yet wanna use that same movie to push their agenda... Btw, ur deadpan voice is the fuggin funniest. U should play Marvin the Paranoid Android.

    • @starmaker75
      @starmaker75 6 лет назад +9

      Populism my friend, populism.

    • @rayyankhan343
      @rayyankhan343 6 лет назад +16

      People are idiots

    • @doriangray5750
      @doriangray5750 6 лет назад +2

      Polandgod 75 Jeremy Corbyn is a populist

    • @doriangray5750
      @doriangray5750 6 лет назад +1

      You can always call Molyneux's show and tell him he's unintelligent, and then debate him. Wouldn't that be more proactive than just moaning about him?

    • @doriangray5750
      @doriangray5750 6 лет назад +2

      Also, if you watch Molyneux's piece on the Black Panther, he later actually expresses sympathy with blacks who only have a fictional state as a "role model". Many black kids are not only confused about their heritage due to slavery, but also don't have father figures in their lives.
      Molyneux talks about this, and actually gets upset. He's brave enough to "have a conversation..." about the plight of many young black males in American society today. He's a compassionate guy and even if you hate him, he's one of a few people prepared to talk about solutions to the agitators who want a race war (left and right).
      Either this is a good thing, or you think it's a bad thing. Whether he's more intelligent than you or not, at least he's prepared to stick his neck out of the parapet, and, to me at least, that makes him a true philosopher.
      Again, call his show and TALK to him.

  • @goingunder2548
    @goingunder2548 Год назад +13

    I love that he criticises the younger sister for ruining serious moments by adding random humorous quips when that's actually more of a general Marvel thing. But I bet he never complained about something similar in any other Marvel movie. I sure wonder why.

  • @rachelburns9640
    @rachelburns9640 6 лет назад +47

    Excellent video as always, Shaun. There's one thing I'd like to point out in one of Paul/Ian's argument (?) The idea that Killmonger is somehow a representation of SJWs is ignorant of the character from the film. Killmonger is introduced as a Black Ops Soldier who did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Destroying the purple heart flowers was something that he learned by studying government enabled take downs of countries as Everett Ross mentioned. At the end of the film, T'Challa accuses Killmonger of "being just like them" or "actually one of them" referencing white people/colonizers . Killmonger is a militarized imperialist bent on genocide and is much more radical than his father who suggest giving African Americans vibrainium weapons for protection against violence from white people (similar to the beliefs of Malcolm X and the BPP) with the latter being the most radical belief carried by most SJWs or whatever we are called. To call Killmonger an SJW is ignorant of their beliefs but also the beliefs Killmonger himself

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt 6 лет назад +8

      Killmonger is the very embodiment of the "actors of history" attitude of the American Dept. of Defense. He burned the Heart-Shaped Herbs because it changed the reality of Wakanda in a direction created by him, even if it was a dumb and unsustainable move. His proposed course of action (giving Vibranium weapons to black minorities to destabilize society, and swoop in to take over) are straight out CIA, and the white dude in the movie makes sure to point it out for the dumbasses who somehow still missed it.

    • @kingrocky7519
      @kingrocky7519 5 лет назад +2

      "But he's black and fighting for black people, so he is totally an SJW!" These alt-right channels are so obsessed with race and labels that they will ignore all of the actions of a black character just to label him as an SJW.

  • @idsbraam
    @idsbraam 6 лет назад +86

    Well, one good thing comes out of this, at least now everybody agrees that the alt right people are for an ethnostate based on skin color. Even if this all doesn't apply to the movie. This also again shows that they are pushing the whole 'skin color' is the same as 'culture' thing. (Which is one of the disgusting wordgames they play, talk about culture a lot, and not mentioning where they mean culture, they believe culture is the same as skin color). So no longer can they hide behind the 'it is only about culture' motte bailey/bait and switch.

  • @GentrifiedPotato
    @GentrifiedPotato 4 года назад +56

    "A Christmas Carol" is considered a great tragedy on Ferenginar, where the Ferengi see the story as a horrible tale where a shrewd and wise businessman is bullied by three spirits into a life of useless philanthropy.

  • @thebrodieroy
    @thebrodieroy 6 лет назад +143

    I saw Black Panther last week and during the credits someone a few rows down from me was going off on a rant to no-one in particular repeating the same points as the 'skeptics'.
    Good to see the parrots get some time out of their cage.

    • @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 5 лет назад +20

      Those things have been known to get easily hurt when they leave the cage. I think they should stay in the cage for their own good personally...

    • @THE_Mirage
      @THE_Mirage 3 года назад +8

      @@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 someone's bound to R.K.O them from the top!
      ...wrong cage?

    • @nwut
      @nwut 2 года назад +1

      lemme guess, do you remember if they were a 25-40 yold average-overweight size white male

  • @insertnamehere1867
    @insertnamehere1867 6 лет назад +39

    I always forget how popular these people are. All of their videos on Black Panther have tons of views, and most of the comments are positive. And all 3 of these guys majorly missed the main theme of the fucking movie!!! But their millions of viewers eat it all up. Did none of them watch the movie?? Did they walk out after the first 5 minutes?? Or did they all literally miss the point of a movie meant to be consumed by children..... These people never cease to amaze me

    • @ldallas8315
      @ldallas8315 6 лет назад +14

      WinslowHomie They all rely heavily on their audience not bothering to actually go see the movie, so that they can embellish as much as they need to prove their "analysis."

    • @kudosbudo
      @kudosbudo 6 лет назад +2

      I'm wonderign teh same with regards to the last jedi movie. A lot of the "plot holes" come from folk not paying attention to what isn't a very complicated story.

    • @rkrokberg
      @rkrokberg 6 лет назад +1

      These people are allowed to vote. Maybe absolute monarchy is the way after all ...

    • @cv4809
      @cv4809 6 лет назад

      WinslowHomie It wasn't about the movie smart ass,it was about how the leftist media reacted to it by overpoliticizing it

    • @insertnamehere1867
      @insertnamehere1867 6 лет назад +6

      how can you know a movie is over politicized unless you've watched it and taken in what it says about politics? Also PJW's video literally made claims about the themes of the movie that were false. Shaun goes over it in this video, if you're curious

  • @callumdonnelly1718
    @callumdonnelly1718 4 года назад +22

    RIP Chadwick Boseman

  • @saazsakrikar6603
    @saazsakrikar6603 6 лет назад +54

    I've decided to believe that the universe has some cosmic balance. That's because Shaun's voice is exactly as soothing as PJW's is grating.

    • @pashlyn
      @pashlyn 6 лет назад +3

      s s Yo I was thinking the same thing

  • @Maksie0
    @Maksie0 6 лет назад +56

    Criticizing movies you've never seen is *M A X I M U M S K E P T I C I S M*

  • @AliceQuinnRose
    @AliceQuinnRose 5 лет назад +53

    Oh my god Thor 3 is about a nationalist being confronted with the colonial history of his nation and dealing with that truth.
    I need to watch that movie again.

    • @yaboicolleen
      @yaboicolleen 3 года назад +12

      I once saw someone describe it as "the perfect Thanksgiving movie" and honestly, yes.

    • @Keira_Blackstone
      @Keira_Blackstone 3 года назад +15

      I'm also a big fan of Captain America: Winter soldier since it's about a government agent realizing that military and intelligence institutions are too vulnerable to corruption to be allowed to wield the kind of power they have and fighting to dismantle them.

    • @maxrichards3881
      @maxrichards3881 2 года назад

      Thor had already been questioning Asgard's greatness since his initial exile in Thor 1, as indicated by his conversation with Coulson in Avengers 1.

  • @EzioAuditorre102
    @EzioAuditorre102 6 лет назад +23

    The cut to PJW saying the movie sucks and he hasn't seen it killed me. I am dead and Paul did it to me.

  • @Allafif
    @Allafif 6 лет назад +38

    I figured T'Challa inherited because he's the oldest child.
    They don't say one way or another if/how women inherit. I vaguely recall one of the five tribal leaders being a woman?

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt 6 лет назад +16

      There's also queens in T'Challa's afterlife vision

    • @maxrichards3881
      @maxrichards3881 4 года назад +1

      Shuri is, in canon, 8 years younger than T'challa, and her mother, shown in the film, isn't t'challa's mother.

    • @bimbowithadegree420
      @bimbowithadegree420 4 года назад +5

      Not to mention that in real life, there's an abudance of matriarchal African tribes

  • @chibi013
    @chibi013 5 лет назад +13

    They literally accept Bucky, a disabled refugee, into their country *before the movie even starts*. T'challa doesn't even fit their delusions at the beginning of the film.

    • @poppyraima5342
      @poppyraima5342 5 лет назад +9

      Not to mention that Bucky had already been publicly framed for their death of their king in the first place. Plus, Wakanda had already started provided aid workers to various African countries -- at the behest of the old king, nonetheless. The main reason for Black Panther's involvement in _Civil War_ is because a bunch of these aid workers get killed in the crossfire of the Avengers fighting in Lagos, Nigeria.

  • @dood3530
    @dood3530 6 лет назад +83

    Is A Christmas Carol pro-greed?

    • @jblue1622
      @jblue1622 6 лет назад +7

      No it's pro-coal! That's why Scrooge gives his employees coal at the end! We must make Coal great again!

    • @jomo999
      @jomo999 6 лет назад +5

      Well yeah, duh. To be honest, I only ever watch the first half of movies, so I know from the Die Hard franchise that hostile takeovers have a great success rate.

    • @darlalathan6143
      @darlalathan6143 6 лет назад

      It was until Scrooge started seeing ghosts.

  • @Painocus
    @Painocus 6 лет назад +46

    Also, Wakanda's government isn't a patriarchal, fully-inherited-monarchy. The film shows that there has been female Black Panthers, and in the comics his sister takes over for a while at one point. And it's government is based on some weird meritocracy (which was, like, one of the main plot points of the film) and only follows dynastically if no-one challenges the former king's first-born son/daughter (which any citizen can do). Not that "I beat you in a fight so I'm dictator now" is all that much better of a system of government than absolute monarchy, but these people were still wrong.

    • @PBDNR
      @PBDNR 6 лет назад +7

      Painocus I haven't read the comics or anything, but in the movie there was the moment when the sister acted like she was going to challenge him for a second, and everyone took it seriously.

    • @Swinburnean
      @Swinburnean 6 лет назад +2

      Being able to claim rulership through physical combat is a very strange definition of "meritocracy".

    • @mrgilgamesh4252
      @mrgilgamesh4252 6 лет назад +1

      Think of it as Darwinism taken to one extreme, 'might is right' and all that guff.
      This being said, T'Challa does make it clear to his challenger (whose name I cannot remember) that his people need a leader as much as the country does, he really blends the physical skill with diplomatic skill, even if he is holding the guy in a chokehold at the time.
      *Shrug* Eh, I thought it was interesting.

    • @scipio2009
      @scipio2009 6 лет назад

      Not every citizen, though; it's specifically those or royal blood, ie descendants of the first Black Panther (the first Panther had sons and daughters, who then married and had sons and daughters, who then married and had sons and daughters, etc). The heart-shaped herb is toxic to those unworthy and not of the original line.
      Which, in hindsight, makes it weird that Nakia was the champion of the River Tribe; whether it was even 20 generations prior, T'Challa and Nakia would then be cousins. (risks regarding concerns of inbreeding are largely zero once you get passed 4 generations of separation; ie her great grandma and your great grandma are sisters, meaning you having the same great great grandma).

  • @SeekerOfKnowledge87
    @SeekerOfKnowledge87 6 лет назад +32

    Shaun, thank you very much for all that you do. As a bi-racial man who fell for the alt right and their anti sjw rhetoric, I almost went down a dark path. Thanks to you and contra points, I now see my errors. I also see the alt right for the charlatans that they are. Keep fighting the good fight.

    • @basilofgoodwishes4138
      @basilofgoodwishes4138 6 лет назад +1

      Darius Emmanuel I have a question for you: was it pride that made you following their path or something.

    • @dragonslair951167
      @dragonslair951167 2 года назад +9

      @@basilofgoodwishes4138 Speaking from my own experience, something to understand about the alt-right was that they absolutely dominated RUclips in the past; most gaming and meme channels came to adopt their talking points, and if you made a video disagreeing with these alt-right content creators, you could expect thousands of dislikes. As a result, they were the first to spin the narrative about what "SJWs" were like. It was subtle at first; starting with "Ha ha, look at these silly SJWs" and gradually shifting to "The left has gone too far and we must now immediately course-correct to the 'center'," then "Our culture, our nation, our entire existence is under threat because of these man-hating SJWs. Everything you love about games, life and everything will be ruined if they win."
      If I had to point to one emotion that kept me there, there was a little bit of pride, but mostly fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of change, fear of these SJWs that the alt-right had demonized.

  • @roryreviewer6598
    @roryreviewer6598 6 лет назад +92

    At the end of the movie when The Black Panther says they were going to stat sharing their resources, I imagined the US representative's ears perking up like "what was that? Resources? Is it time for some freedom bombs?"

    • @mrgilgamesh4252
      @mrgilgamesh4252 6 лет назад +10

      This guy gets it. ^^
      We have had literal alien tech littering the Marvel Cinematic Universe and everyone is suddenly on the hunt for Vibranium?
      Umm... You had literal war-dragons, hovercraft, weaponized lasers and dark elf hyper-tech crashing across the planet and that has just disappeared?
      The same way that SHIELD has all of those schematics for Tesseract-powered weapons "just in case they needed them"? (True they're borderline useless after the events of Infinity War, but still...)

    • @BifronsCandle
      @BifronsCandle 5 лет назад +8

      @@mrgilgamesh4252 I'd imagine that vibranium is great since it's guarded by humans and you don't need to go through an alien clusterfuck to get it.

  • @CazTheGamerGuy
    @CazTheGamerGuy 6 лет назад +636

    Alright? It was fantasti-oh...Oh.
    Oh...
    To quote one of them: *These people*.

    • @malis9045
      @malis9045 6 лет назад +11

      You mean SSSWWEEEEDDDDDGGGGGEEEEESSS?

    • @jonathanhillblom9033
      @jonathanhillblom9033 6 лет назад +2

      Film was pretty shit tbh

    • @qwemlhjsi4386
      @qwemlhjsi4386 6 лет назад +1

      Caz Huh?

    • @AmaranthOriginal
      @AmaranthOriginal 6 лет назад +16

      Lachy Roberts well, obviously you' can't be a race traitor because you're virtue signaling. Pretending to like the movie insincerely because it supports the SJW agenda!
      ...am I doing this right? Or, alt-right?

    • @skateordie002
      @skateordie002 5 лет назад

      @@jonathanhillblom9033 I appreciate your honesty, even if I disagree very much.

  • @209clayton
    @209clayton 6 лет назад +30

    i do love how the film specifically states there are 5 tribes, and shows one of them as hating the other four, yet the alt right watchs it and just sees black people, thus thinks, guess they are all the same, despite what the film tells you and then Shows you
    i mean by that logic they must want mass immigration from poland seeing as all white people look the same?
    i mean its almost like they dont have a coherrant ideology
    great video btw

  • @MayorOfEarth79
    @MayorOfEarth79 6 лет назад +46

    Note that PJW can't pronounce Wakanda: "WA-CANDER."

  • @AntiYourFacePhD
    @AntiYourFacePhD 6 лет назад +66

    So, has Sargon just given up pretending he’s an “Anti-Identitarian Liberal?” Because he’s been doing the Dave Rubin thing longer than Dave Rubin.

    • @Taylr4
      @Taylr4 6 лет назад +3

      The point of Sargon's video featured here is anti-identitarian, "Wakanda changes by the end" isn't something that needed to be said. Sargon was trying to show how stupid the alt-right's ethnostate ideas are using Wakanda as an example. It goes without saying that Wakanda abandoning said ideas by the end of the movie reinforces this point.

    • @karlmarx809
      @karlmarx809 6 лет назад +6

      Yeah Shaun seems to be borderline misrepresenting his targets here. But it may just be people's preconceived notions about Sargon coloring their perception. That's why I don't like people throwing around the term "alt right" - it's a really dirty tactic. Like, we're either talking about white nationalists or we're talking about something else. While Sargon makes some terrible xenophobic content, he is not a white nationalist.

  • @anonymous36247
    @anonymous36247 2 года назад +18

    OH MY GOD! I work at a major theme park (whose parent company owns the rights to some major superheroes and star warriors) and I noticed after we reopened that covid had scarred away a large percentage of certain populations. The people coming to the parks are diverse, but the vast majority (to my eye) seem to fit into two categories. There's the people obsessed with my company to an unhealthy degree, those that no virus could ever keep away, and then there's the Trumpy-fascy types. You can easily recognize them because they wear underarmor shirts with backwards flags, eagles adorn their clothing, sometimes they have american symbols tattooed on their skulls, sometimes they wear nazi iconography, and often when forced to wear masks they have masks that say "This mask does nothing" or "Let's go Brandon". This later group is always, always white. Well, recently, a few months ago I started seeing many of these white families wearing Wakanda masks and shirts to a VERY large degree. Now, I saw Black Panther and loved it. When it came out, I was excited. But I knew I was not the demographic with the cause to celebrate the most. Why years later did these people start wearing Wakanda paraphernalia? I knew it was probably crypto-fascism I was looking at, but I didn't know how this had become a rallying point for them the way that Viking symbols has or that the swastika did last Century. Now I understand. Until now, I had no exposure to alt-right propaganda selling Wakanda. As I recall, they spoke out against Black Panther initially. Fuck these Nazis.

  • @amaka637
    @amaka637 6 лет назад +108

    YAAAAASSS!!!! I was waiting for you to do this subject Shaun! 😀

    • @amaka637
      @amaka637 6 лет назад +13

      I just love how this video is posted on the last day of Black History Month 😂😂😂😂

    • @aarOuOn
      @aarOuOn 6 лет назад +3

      every time i see the word yass it makes my eyes bleed

    • @magnificentgoldenbeast6099
      @magnificentgoldenbeast6099 6 лет назад +2

      He's incorrect. See my long comment.

    • @theangrycheeto
      @theangrycheeto 6 лет назад +1

      YAAASSS! SLAY GURRLL!

    • @katten838
      @katten838 6 лет назад

      Ironic how a black nationalist is here applauding a white liberal-leftist for convincing other stupid white liberal-leftists that Black panther dosen't promote black nationalism. Its allmost like Shaun is a usefull fool for your own agenda.

  • @tomboz777
    @tomboz777 6 лет назад +97

    "Eberneezer Scrooge was a leftist!" - PJW #WellThisIsAwkward

  • @FictionHubZA
    @FictionHubZA Год назад +5

    Hello. There's something I want to point out about wakanda that most people from outside of Africa often miss. Wakamda is not homogeneous. It is more like Switzerland the four tribes are very different but speak the same language (Xhosa)because it's the lingua franca. In the movie the Jibari are west Africans, the kings tribe are sourh africans and the other tribe is made of east africans.

  • @marvellousm
    @marvellousm 6 лет назад +637

    Wer-kan-der

  • @diabreadstick
    @diabreadstick 6 лет назад +36

    I thought Molyneaux was the worst at interpreting movies with even a basic understanding of their themes and structure, but I guess Sargon is aiming to one-up him.
    Edit: Also, I’ve got a feeling Sargon was an only child since he seems to think the sibling bickering between Shuri and T’Challa was in any way malicious.

    • @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
      @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 5 лет назад +2

      Only child? Lol. Only one in the house who was never let out of the basement is more like it lololol. And thus... The poster child of the frog men was born!

  • @alfiewillis4893
    @alfiewillis4893 6 лет назад +29

    "Let's leave them dangling there awkwardly"
    How could you NOT cut to a shot of Thor dangling from chains at the beginning of Ragnarok? Missed opportunity Shaun. I must downvote you.

    • @maxrichards3881
      @maxrichards3881 2 года назад +1

      I know what you're thinking; "Oh no! Thor's in a cage! How did this happen!?", well, sometimes you have to captured just to get a straight answer out of somebody.

  • @dxBIGBOSSxb
    @dxBIGBOSSxb 6 лет назад +515

    Shaun IS my ASMR!
    Love from Outer Heaven

    • @EinsiJo
      @EinsiJo 6 лет назад +34

      What's the exact opposite of ASMR? Because that's what happens to me whenever Shaun plays a clip of Stephan Molyneux.

    • @Sean-uu4xw
      @Sean-uu4xw 6 лет назад +27

      Big Boss Snake... why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg and my arm... even my fingers... the body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting. It's like they're all still there. You feel it too, don't you? I'm the one who got caught up with Cipher. A group above nations... even the US. And I was the parasite below, feeding off Zero's power. They came after you in Cyprus... then Afghanistan... Cipher... just keeps growing. Swallowing everything in it's path. Getting bigger and bigger... Who knows how big now? Boss. I'm gonna make 'em give back our past... take back everything that we've lost. And I won't rest... until we do.

    • @ArmaBiologica35
      @ArmaBiologica35 6 лет назад +13

      You're pretty good.

    • @sint0xicateme
      @sint0xicateme 6 лет назад +2

      EinsiJo misophonia?

    • @Tehan123
      @Tehan123 6 лет назад +5

      I listened to this while playing MGS lol