and not really accurate because BPS is far worse than sargon. sargon is an idiot who repeats all sorts of "hurr durr sjw bad" propaganda. BPS is an absolute extremist
Jürg Nobs Except that we have pretty definitive proof that Sargon is also a white supremacist and 100% proof that he’s an ethnonationalist, and by extension is probably a Nazi
Francesco Nicoletti it’s just a saying and if anything it’s sympathetic to poor people pointing out they have to make due with worse alternatives to products
Not sure if anyone will see this, but I used to play magic the gathering semi-competitively, 1-2 tournaments per week. Won a couple, placed a dozen time. Was usually the only woman there or the only other woman there. Notice I say "used" to. The amount of abuse hurled at me in magic tournaments. Guys pounding their fists, cussing at me, telling me I'm shit, my deck is shit, my deck is unfair, literally ripping up their cards, throwing their hand at me after they lose. Do you have any idea how unnerving it is to be a woman when a guy is angry with you? I quit tournaments after a guy told me to eat a dick because the judge ruled against him in on a rules question. I pride myself on knowing the intricacies of the rules. I love magic, but it's just not worth the abuse, basically paying money to have guys get mad at me.
I'm sorry to hear about that. It's horrible just how obvious it is that this problem exists, and that people are still misled by Black Pigeon Speaks and Stefan Molyneux and the sort.
That sort of behavior is literally against the Magic Tournament Rules. Unsporting Conduct: Minor, Unsporting Conduct: Major, and/or Unsporting Conduct: Aggressive Behavior. From your comment I assume it's a moot point, but if you do end up in a situation like that in the future, don't hesitate to call a judge. Judges are just as responsible for maintaining the integrity of the tournament and safety of participants as they are for keeping games on track. Having completed Judge Academy courses myself, I can vouch that the training judges get is probably 20% rules and 80% community support/tournament management.
Magic attracts a strange subset of the population. I used to play somewhat competitively and I just couldn't take the strangeness. There were so many tantrums, pouting, and big egos that I just gave up (that and the power creep and my lack of wanting to buy more and more cards)... plus the smell. I don't miss the smell.
I'm sorry you had to put up with such petty, abusive tantrums. Those sore losers are weak for not having the strength of taking a hit with grace and dignity. Tournaments should have better rules of behavioral conduct and thus should punish those who behave badly. You deserve better company, miss. I hope that you are given support and care.
very late, but i have a similar story. used to play pokémon (both video game and card game) semi competitively. even when i was losing it was really horrible. not only was i a girl to them (actually nonbinary but whatever), but i was also like 14-15. my last straw was literally getting a rape threat at a tournament when i beat a guy, and the staff didn’t do anything to him. none of the teenage boys got treated like this.
POV: You're here from 2023, the future, where Trans women have been banned from the female chess leagues for some reason but they're not really saying why and think Shaun should do another chess video.
@@ShuffleboardJerk key bit: "Women's" chess. Nowhere does that mention being female. Either way, it doesn't matter, there is no reason for the gender division, let alone a trans exclusion.
@@sirmagmo4710 Ah perhaps I shouldn't've used "Female" because the bigots love to weaponise that word. I meant Women's. And you're 100% correct, there's no reason to exclude them.
@@ShuffleboardJerkAre you actually suggesting women are less logically and strategically skilled than men, contrary to all avaliable studies on the topic? Do you not believe that peoples confidence and personal attitudes and choices in life are largely influenced by how they are raised and social pressure? Can you see how irrational your belief is? If you see a phenomenah in life, and quickly assume what the cause is, or that a corrolation IS the cause, you are pretty damn empirically illiterate.
For a long time people from USSR beat everyone else at chess. All of the world champions (apart from Fischer) were from USSR/Russia. It's not like their genetics were uniquely suited for abstract strategic thinking, but rather the government promoting the game and the culture. When that all fell apart they people from Russia stopped being #1 at chess. What's to say this isn't what's happening to women? How many women want to join a game full of thirsty guys who have weird pre-conceived notions about them?
How many women would want to join is one thing... but even among the women that do, how many families will actually let them? Because, to be good at chess, most players start at a very young age. And need to keep practicing, and get to play competitively. Not just with neighbors or a local club. When you reach a certain level, to challenge yourself and keep getting better you'll need to be competing in tournaments. When a kid says he's serious about chess.. A surprising amount of families in various countries/societies/communities will discriminate. If it's a son, they might approve, or even if they don't believe he'll make a career out of it, at least support his passion and wait to see how long it'll last. When it's a daughter, it will so often just be dismissed. If she's still allowed to play, the amount of support might not be the same, because it's not taken seriously, and families don't believe women have a chance to make it. There are less female players, and also much much less female pros --> People don't believe women can make it --> There are less female players and female pros. And then even IF they're allowed to try, it's SO, SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT! As I was saying, to get to the highest level you can reach, you will need to go to actual competitions. Even without discriminating against your daughters, how many families will let their 8/12/15 year old daughters go with their chess clubs to travel to tournaments regularly? With a club that will be at least 75% male, with mostly male teachers... and in the youngsters that want to be competitive, the proportion of males might be even higher, who lets their daughter travel alone regularly with all those guys for overnight stays to tournaments that will last for the whole weekend? With what we know can happen to young female athletes even in sports predominantly female... how many will feel safe and comfortable to let their daughters similarly seriously involved in an environment that is mostly male? Those are obstacles that most people don't even think about. And that i'm still not sure how to solve even when knowing about it.
It's kind of the same argument as saying that "A disproportionate number of professional chess players are of Russian ancestry," therefore "Russians are biologically hardwired to be good at chess." I mean, like in the gender argument, it could be those social factors, but that would involve looking at social studies, which is just too unscientific for biotruthers.
I agree. There could be more (or less) female players represented at any given point along the distribution. It's the assumption that men and women have identical distributions for any given ability (chess, rotating 3D objects in one's head, memorization, etc) which I dispute. It is clearly an ideological belief and not remotely scientific.
That's actually a really good point. There's a very obvious and easily explained reason for there being a disproportionate amount of Soviets who were good at chess during Cold War and pretty much everyone agrees about that reasoning, so that is a good place to start with addressing the disproportionate representation of men to women in chess. Biological difference COULD exist, I've never seen any compelling evidence one way or the other, but as shown with the Soviets, social and societal pressures also have a pretty big impact.
I remember being in 7th or 8th grade, never having played chess but wanting to learn. I asked my grandfather, who was very good at it, to teach me and he said not to bother, it's not for girls. Add that to the reasons why there are less women in chess....
I am very sorry to hear that but why didn't you ask your peers to teach you instead. Times have changed. In my 8th grade class the chest players were split between both sexes.
When I joined chess club my dad offered to buy me a chess set.. but before he would but it.. he asked me “are you actually interested in chess or are you just doing it for some boy?”
You got discouraged by a mean comment. Story of your life. Do you think men would have gotten discouraged? Maybe, maybe not. On Average less men would have given up due to negative stigma. Embrace difference - enjoy your own strengths.
I can speak a little to the chess thing. My dad is quite good at chess and taught me at a young age, and I liked it well enough. But when I started playing people outside my family I quickly got turned off because- and this is something I've read Ms. Polgar talk about- beat a dude at chess and 9 times out of 10 he will be an absolute douche about it. It's a game, guys. Just a game- and while it takes skill it isn't the all-important measure of super smartiness that people have set it up to be. But being beaten by a woman at this game is such a kick in the balls to men, they get really sore, and that is not fun. Most people don't actually get any pleasure out of making other people miserable, and it sets up a resistance inside of you when it happens a couple of times. You don't even want to win, it isn't worth it. Games should be fun. Playing any single game well is not an absolute measure of intelligence. Chess is not the be-all and end-all, people should just relax and enjoy the puzzle of it.
Hmm, a Richard Lynn study? That seems legit and not guided at all. A meta-analysis that doesn't feature all the previous studies. Why not check this one: Sex differences in latent cognitive abilities ages 6 to 59: Evidence from the Woodcock-Johnson III tests of cognitive abilities. It says females are better. It is also a much newer study. Should I check the SJW propaganda dialogue tree or are you gonna say the same stuff with the rest NPCs?
@@Airwave2k2 No, you see, you missed my point. I'm already educated in biology. I'm already well versed in the scientific consensus regarding sex differences. Also, for some reason you assume that I think the sexes are biologically identical or something, which I don't, and no school biology course teaches that. You say we've been fed false arguments, so I asked you to properly educate us, since the "leftist", "SJW-controlled" education system would certainly lead us astray.
Hou Yifan famously lost on purpose in an official game after the entire tournament she was "randomly" picked to play 7 women in 9 games, despite the fact that the vast majority of the players were men, and the same thing was happening to all women in that tournament. This was a way to put a hard limit on the maximum number of women that would proceed to the next stages. This also meant that the average ELO among those players stays roughly the same, which meant that other players playing against them in the future, so again - mostly other women, would gain less ranking points for that win. So basically, it meant women will need to continue to have far better and more stable results than men to get to the same level of ranking, and it would always have to be at the expanse of other women. So as with many other cases, it's not just the psychological influence and only men being encouraged, but also systemic discrimination.
it was random. The pairings are done automatically by a publicly available program. It was tested out by multiple people independently and those were the pairings.
@@evaahh9584 it's been tested out, it's a well known available program Chessbase one of the most reputable chess news sites said "Each and every round’s pairings were analyzed in detail to see if even one single case was possibly the result of manipulation. Each case was verified, not by checking a computer, but checking with the system and pairings by hand, a long and laborious process. Each time the female opponent she faced was incontrovertibly correct." en.chessbase.com/post/hou-yifan-pairings-controversy-investigation
@@ProDCloud the username doesn't mean they think they contribute anything to philosophy, it could just mean they like it, or that that they want more of it now.
That study mentioned was quite interesting. I think the average white-pseudo fascist male tends to like to believe that social stigmas don't affect anyone's behavior, or ability to succeed. Clearly they do. Psychologically if you think your opponent is much better than you or feel you're not supposed to be better than them, you're likely to do worse - because self-doubting anxiety can put a person off their game. If everywhere you see social cues and sexist men claiming women are inherently worse at something, even if the women reject these statements, it will leave a mark in the psyche after constant exposure to such beliefs. Humans are wired to pay attention to social patterns and beliefs. A lot of what we are good at often has to do with social expectations, if boys are told from a young age that they should be naturally great at strategy, they will feel like something is wrong with them if they're not, so they focus their mind to meet those expectations and pick up hobbies that improve such skills. If girls are taught that due to "biology" they inherently should not be that good at strategy, they won't have such expectations to fulfill, and will likely avoid hobbies that would train those skills further because they're "not really made for it anyway" it's kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Another interesting thing to note, about the "changing goal posts" that this has happened to women since the dawn of time. Essentially fields that were at some point actually considered masculine, requiring of intelligence and deep-analytical skills, such as psychology and social sciences, suddenly are considered "useless feminine fake sciences" as soon as plenty of women entered the field. I read an interesting book about that studied the subject from the 1940s onwards, that when women break "glass ceilings" and enter traditionally masculine fields - rather than women gaining more prestige in society - the profession itself loses prestige and becomes socially regarded as "not that impressive" and actually the average salary falls for the job. The jobs that continue to be seen as "prestigious" and important are the ones that are still male-orientated. Once women break into the fields, suddenly they're not considered as important anymore. It's like some men just want to pat themselves on the back, and can't stand to think that anything women can do is as important as what they can do.
This is a really great and insightful comment. The prestige and respectability of many fields seem to be determined by the type of people who enter them, not the field itself. It's like the subject or activity is only as valuable as the gender that does it the most.
Alex Volkov You’re completely right. The opposite also happens when men go into traditionally female jobs. Programming was dominated by women - it was seen as kind of like secretary work until men turned to the field. Women were pushed out and it was then seen as prestigious.
I like how most of these men > women arguments devolve into "The tallest man is taller than the tallest woman, therefore all men are taller than all women." And in this case, the facts don't even support the first half of the claim. This argument is about as silly as saying that because BPS has poor reading comprehension and research skills, men are worse than women at reading and research.
The only thing I'll note about your metaphor is that, I think those arguments are even more sinister with regard to mental, rather than physical characteristics. This is because mental ability is both extremely malleable in humans, and our most important characteristic as a species. Denigrating one's intelligence is thus *profoundly* dehumanizing, and is often used to rationalize horrifying attitudes and actions towards them.
@Stale Bagelz Your metaphor is fantastic, though I'll say IQ as a measurement is largely incoherent. Most IQ tests consist of odd puzzles that are like little brainteasers, and general language questions...they bare very little resemblance to things like learning processes, information recall, higher-order creativity, inference, research ability & practical problem-solving. IQ tests demonstrate how good someone is at taking IQ tests.
@@dreamcanvas5321 Yeah, that's a good point. Especially because even the "quantitative" measures (Like IQ) fall apart when you try to correlate them with job performance, real life success, etc. The only thing it really correlates with is how good you are at taking a test. For things like this, there isn't even evidence to support that the "smartest man > smartest woman," at least in a way that separates it from nature vs nurture (IE, there are more male Nobel Prize winners because women were barred from most aspects of those fields until the last 40 years or so) And you're also right that it shouldn't even matter if there is a difference- using this as a rationale to dehumanize someone is absolutely absurd.
While I entirely agree with the points being made in here, I feel that Shaun unfortunately fell into this same trap by claiming Nigel Short's comments about men being 'hardwired' (whatever that means) to be better chess players than women was disproved by him being beaten by a woman in a chess game. I've not read Nigel's exact comments, but I presume he backed up his feelings with some kind of scientific reasoning, and that can't be dismissed on the basis of him losing one single game as Shaun implied.
@@dreamcanvas5321 The things you mentioned, except for problem-solving, are not aspects of IQ. Problem solving and other dimentions of inteligence are actually measured by IQ tests. I apologise in advance for making an assumption about you but I suspect that you may have never taken a well constructed one.
I used to be quite a decent chess player, I played for my school, university, city and county, but back in the 70s/80s it was an awful world for girls. No-one really expected us to do well, even when I was Captain of a team the officials at matches would talk to the blokes. Players on the other team would opely congratulate themselves for drawing me, a girl, as their oppnent (not for long, usually, but still). Plus it was a ghastly, snobbish world for a working class kid to suddenly fetch up in. I don't know if this is as bad in other countries, but in Britain, much like in the Bridge world, the heirartchy of chess is not very welcoming to working class people.
Was the congratulations thing a breach of etiquette? Because without context, it sounds like they were pleased just to manage a draw against you. But maybe that's what you're saying - the officials didn't respect you, but other players did. I really can't tell. Oh, I see, drawing you to play against. Well, I'll still post my comment for anyone who's confused like I was.
The same kinds of patterns of gender expectations/stereotype have affected women in a variety of typically masculine-coded careers, including math, engineering, physics and comp sci. What's interesting is that as the number of high-quality female workers in all of these fields slowly increases, BPS will have to reach out to more esoteric fields to "prove" how incompetent women really are. Expect him to look at the number of women under-represented in Dominoes, MtG, road construction, and Vegeta cosplays.
XRXaholic.High quality female workers can only result from women wanting to compete in these ''masculine coded careers'' .Look at the statistics,even with positive discrimination the majority of women do not want to do any of the stuff you think they want to do.They have different interests and excel mostly in different careers.Its a science fact,typically biology.
I think that being autistic makes me less mentally prone to gender expectations. I mean, I can't really hold it in my head that I'm a woman and concentrate on whatever I'm doing at the same time, that takes more executive functioning than I'm capable of. Or maybe I don't identify as a female. I don't identify as a male though, I don't fancy having a dick or going on testosterone, even my digit ratio is girly, I'm like a female version of a soy boy.
it's an empirical claim about the statistical distribution of chess ability. if we assume that male and female distribution is IDENTICAL (statistically impossible) then all available evidence points to the opposite, namely a bias towards men at the tails of yet another normal distribution (bell curve.) Type "statistics 101" into the search bar, presumably some kind nerd has uploaded something useful. assumption 1: men and women are genetic clones with IDENTICAL (?!) chess ability assumption 2: psychological depravity and malicious intent compel wicked men to lie and/or pretend that the distributions are not identical assumption 3: no amount of empirical evidence will ever show that the distributions are not identical because that is metaphysically impossible assumption 4: SOME empirical evidence is in fact admissible, namely the success of a woman whose father was a chess genius and hothoused his daughter in chess. Given that Carlsen was not hothoused in this manner but is 200 ELO above Judit, wouldn't we expect that hothousing all human children equally in chess will merely replicate the current distributions? Why not? This is like trying to detoxify a cultist's addled mind. You don't dispute the data. You don't cite the data. You don't interpret the data. There is just one grim orthodoxy. One stark, mathematical objective. You are convinced of a moral obligation to profess that the statistical distribution of FUCKING CHESS ABILITY is ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL because basically, INEQUALITY IS EVIL AND I AM NOT A NAZI and you kinda are. The funny thing is, I'm not even coming down on one side of this fascinating question. (Yes, it's interesting so let's fucking discuss it!) As far as I can tell men have more of a taste and indeed love, for the game. The sane individual has his own assumption - chess ability and its distribution are the result of a complex interaction between "nature" and "nurture". You and most of the bafflingly obtuse commenters here have forbidden yourselves from noticing reality, on principle. And it's kind of energetically stupid, too. It has to be, to keep the extraordinary burden of proof at bay. When you opt for boutique ideological hallucinations rather than detached enquiry you have to routinely profess, and shriek in ecstasies of condemnation, and maintain a sort of white noise inside your skull to avoid any irritating glitches. Finally, some questions. Is it desirable that men and women be identically capable of reaching 2800 ELO? Why? Why is such a state of affairs inherently desirable? Is it because chess has a reputation as a mind i.e a smart, game for more intelligent people? Are the world's best chess players more intelligent than Joe soap? (They SEEM to be, they all appear to speak several languages, there's university attainment etc Carlsen was memorizing all the countries, capitals and populations of all countries in the world as a kid for his own amusement. I mean, I just presume they're all of above average intelligence.) There's over one billion Chinese people on this earth. In a way, I'm surprised there aren't more Chinese women at Hou Yifan's level. The male GM list has more and more Chinese entrants. You'd think eventually a genetic freak (sorry, I know genes are taboo) would be born there, male or female, a Rain Man of the chess board who like Usain Bolt will crush his rivals at a canter. I'd predict a man, but there I go running my hatemouth off issuing hatespeech and hatefacts on behalf of the, like, Patriarchy and stuff?
@@oldoddjobs nobody ever claimed that men were evil or wicked or serving some sort of nefarious agenda. The video never even entertains that idea, because that would be ridiculous. Nor does it say anything about hate speach or the patriarchy, because those things aren't the problem here. Nobody said that the statistics for men and women had to be identical. Did you even watch the video? The point is that yes, women can play chess just as well as men so long as they study the game (obviously), and also that chess ability is not the best measure of intelligence because of the social pressures that have an effect on the data. Besides that, you just accused people of not citing research and then didn't cite research, all you did was build a strawman and then get mad at the existence of that strawman. (Also what's with the insecure pseudo- intellectual linguistics?)
"Judit Polgar found herself matched against Garry Kasparov, who is pictured here being accosted at a news conference by a remote-controlled dildo helicopter." I appreciate you for so many reasons, and a not inconsiderable one of them is this very sentence right here.
@@kenjidev576 Next time try to attack something that actually relates to the topic of the video. Notice how he showed that before mentioning that man's beliefs about the topic at hand. The joke isn't about laughing at that man because of what he thinks, it's about the absurdity of the situation. Just wanted to say that, you can go get your hands busy on the other camp's circle jerk now.
@@kenjidev576 oh no, that's very upsetting to me because the reason I come here is because of my desperate desire to watch "the other camp" (whatever that means) get convinced (of something).
I usually at least try to sit through the original videos but I don't have the heart to listen to a man with a pigeon avatar tell teenage boys with frog avatars that women are biologically inferior for 18 minutes.
A lot of boys go into puberty expecting their sexual urges to be met straight away - and instead of realistically learning about sex, love, gender etc end up with poor views of the world and delusions about how women should be treating them. Nowhere is this better seen than across RUclips, where misogynists and bigots cultivate audiences of hate and lust around their insidious ideas about women. In my opinion, this kind of radicalization needs to be taken far more seriously than it is.
I know!!! I saw the name on Shaun's video and hoped it would be an animated skit about a melanistic pigeon being ridiculously sexist! But he's not even a real pigeon...
@@DemiBirdDoes Shaun is reclaiming skulls, now we need someone on the left to reclaim pigeons. Like, someone with a pet fancy pigeon or something who can talk about how women might actually be right about some things, or similarly radical ideas
I am a trans woman and have been playing csgo since far before I transitioned- 2015-2022 pre and 2022-2023 post. When I started presenting as female I quickly learned firsthand that all the bad things I had heard and secondhand experienced here and there about the CS community’s treatment of women (both when people thought I was a cis woman or trans woman) are 100% true and absolutely awful. Like damn, I’ve literally experienced it both ways and now because of how bad it is playing as a woman I’m often tempted to use my guy voice (something I obviously don’t like doing) or just not use the mic. It really has made the game less fun and my condolences to all the other female and visibly queer/trans female people who play
Now, there is actually a simple trick to avoid this issue: _Don't play counterstrike._ Okay, okay, flippant dismissive comments aside; maybe you really enjoy the game part of the game, and want to keep playing that, that's very valid and not for me to dump on. But turning off voice chat has always worked for me, so +1 to that suggestion!
I know this is an old video but i wanted to add, isn't the real reason why there are less women att he competitive level at any game, from Chess to e-sports, because the male-dominated atmosphere of competitive gaming has a misogny problem? from Kasparov's comments towards Ms. Polgar, all the way up to more recent controversies surrounding videogames, such as pro women in games like Hearthstone basically getting mocked and accused of just being a pair of boobs on a camera while a man plays for her, or stuff like how the fighting game community treats women, such as Aris's treament of a woman competitor at Cross Assault.
It definitely is off putting to play a game you absolutely love (kudos to Tekken), but get hated on for being a woman, who not only played fair. But also had more skill than the average joe. It's especially distressing when they start up on asking if you are also a prostitute
I think this is very true. While I would want esports teams to be a mix between women and men lets look at the reality of a womans experience in gaming. If a woman is playing an online game all the little gamerboys will be either harrassing her or trying to get into her pants. Either would make someone very uncomfortable and it's obviously very hard getting good at something which makes you uncomfortable or at least gives you the fear you might get uncomfortable at some point. From what I've heard from female Counter-Strike players is that they want their own league and play on a team with only females cause that makes them feel comfortable and lets them be themselves. I've seen a lot of little gamerboys saying that they want their own league and teams cause they can't compete but they have no way of winning these people over. If they play with or against male teams they will simply get harrassed by these gamerboys or become a sex symbol. If they play on their own they'll still be harrassed but at least they have each other at that point. It's the same as why a lot more women are good at knitting compared to men. It's not that women have some sort of inborn ability to be good at knitting, it's just that most men won't even try to get good at it out of fear of being mocked by other men. And even if they get good at it, the mockery doesn't stop. A few will of course push through this but the vast majority will just find something else to spend their time doing.
For Esports an additional reason is Gamer-houses and the culture pre-established. If a woman was to join for example Team Solomid while playing League of Legends. She would have to move into a house with her 4 male teammates, and more than likely her 2 male coaches, and then spend upwards of 12 hours a day with them while playing matches, going over their replays with coaches, and likely meals as well. It could be awkward, to say the least, and cause issues. I am positive that the team-members and organization would work around it to the best of their abilities. But it would be an uncomfortable environment to join. I know I would feel awkward as a male if I had to move into a gaming house with 6 girls I barely knew, and I don't have to deal with harassment from fans or fear of sexual harassment on the workplace. If it counts for anything we have gotten a fantastic cross-player in the LoL LCS: Sneaky from C9. The guy managed to trick quite a few streamers. But no cis-females yet and I vaguely remember a trans player looking to enter but getting harassed out of playing on stage. In CS: GO they have a competitive women's league from what I understand that has been doing really well and women have been very effective on teams in general in that game (specifically for staff like when they hire sport psychologists.) The different mindset women often bring seems to do a lot of teams good.
It's almost a trap for some of his videos- you can listen to Shaun's voice to relax and be soothed, but then you'll be jarred out of your pleasant relaxation by the invariably grating voice of whoever he's talking about.
Hao Yifan is currently is currently the only female chess player in the top 100 players globally, she is ranked 88th in the world. The other 99 grandmasters are all men. The deliberate omissions, logical fallacies, mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance it takes to maintain a leftist worldview must be exhausting. Black pigeon speaks was only saying that ON AVERAGE women are less adept at chess than men. Soothing voice aside this guy is only adept at intelecualizing BS and passing it off as truth.
What's also interesting about Hou Yifan's ranking is that she retains it despite not dedicating her life to chess. Wikipedia states, "She enrolled in Peking University in 2012, studying International Relations, against the wishes of her trainer. She took a full course load and participated in many extracurricular activities. She did well enough to be offered a Rhodes Scholarship, and will be studying for a MSc in Education at Oxford University in 2018."
@@KARTIKEYA007 simply not true. While Carlsen dabbles in fantasy footbal, someone at his (or close to) his elo does a lot of theoretical work within chess on top of studying countless hours against their opponents. Chess is extremely demanding intellectually on the level of Go and it's the reason not everyone is a super GM on the level of Carlsen, Nakamura, Vachier-Lagrave, etc. Hou Yifan's current rating is 2658, which is only 200 points lower than Carlsen's current rating. Even though 200 ELO is a sizeable gap among the GM community, saying that, "she's bad" because she's pursuing other intellectual interests had to be one of the shittiest takes I've ever seen on this platform and I've seen many terrible takes.
@@justdakotamusic Oh look, another one of yifan's defenders... Sir I suggest if you don't know anything about other super gm's life then don't comment. Going to college is what every super GM did, some of them are highly qualified. Aronian holds a diploma, he has a girlfriend and also runs some businesses in Armenia. Gata kamsky has a degree in chemistry, attended medical school and has also done law. Many other top players like Anand, kramnik etc are married, have kids and hold degrees. Also, yifan isn't "just" 200 points away from Carlsen. 200 points is a massive, massive difference and it makes it so that she has an extremely slim chance of winning against Carlsen if they play against each other. She isn't even married or anything which is the biggest time drainer in a person's life.
@@justdakotamusic Also, what's sad is that she gets all the fame only and strictly only because she is a female. There are many men who are rated around 2650 but I'm sure you don't even know their names. Heck, there are many GMs above 2700 whose names you may have never heard before but everyone knows yifan simple because she was pushed down everyone throats as she is a woman.
@@cloroxbleach2520 well that's what I mean, everyone has a lot of stuff going on in their lives. Hou is just a student lol so she has much less responsibilities and tensions. To even claim that she has other things to focus on while others don't is extremely stupid
I have a reason why female players are not as often in the high leagues as males: You can only get better in chess if you have equally decent enemies. That's why you need chess clubs. And most chess clubs are a overly traditionalist hive of guys who really don't know how to deal with women in their midst. So of course, women are not interested in joining them for the most part. Also: Chess is not about IQ. It's about exercise.
Maybe the reason there arnt many female players is because people still hold on to the idea men and women and far too different in terms of mentality to be on the same level, topped off with some old sexism?
Davesknd it’s not just about “exercise”. chess draws on working memory for one thing, which is correlated with many measures of fluid intelligence. there is a correlation but chess ability is not a direct proxy for intelligence you are correct about that. and experience ie learning is a big factor.
Women can't compete because they're different. They can't produce the extremes in the numbers males can. Anyone who thinks social conditions are the major factor is a total cretin who hasn't looked at the data. We've been here before with physics, philosophy and maths. Even when women can compete, they choose to do something less nerdy instead. You can make changes around the margin - but freaky women don't exist in the same numbers as men. For some reason this is seen as sexist and that idiotic view is backed by all major western govts. We will waste so much chasing this phantom. Things which people wish to be true are not going to become true. More freaky women? Equality of freakishness? I note you never call for equality of serial killers, voyeurs, violent individuals and so on. Utopian fantasies are a danger to the world.
@@damianbylightning6823 did you not watch the video? You're just talking out of your ass like the pigeon guy. And regarding the equality of "freakishness", why are you calling for more freaky women instead of encouraging men to be less freaky? What the fuck are you on about? If you were gonna take one thing away from this video, at least acknowledge that this issue is much more complicated than just claiming "woman bad, man better". There might be a biological component but it's definitely not the only component.
My grandfather played chess really well, and he taught only my dad and my brother in a family with other 5 women (my aunt, me, and my sisters). I literally remember all the men gathered around a chess table looking interested while my grandmother and my aunts would do the dishes after lunch. Even if you don't account for the fact that women are raised thinking they are dumb and lesser than men, there are also family traditions teaching you what you can and can't be a part of.
@@kenjidev576 Because they're using this as an excuse to exclude a whole group of people from the sport. For example, chess was mostly won by white men in the past, but after the inclusion of international contestants, most chess grandmasters are now from India or China. There were literally no female doctors or biologist a century ago, but now they're making a similar percentage of people working in such careers. You don't know a group's full potential until you open the gate up to them and keep it open. "Asian genius" stereotype, as timeless as it sounds, is actually quite a new concept.
@@kenjidev576 I'm not sure if you're intentionally strawmanning or just didn't understand the video but no-one's saying women are superior to men at chess. We're just saying that all men aren't superior to all women at chess. 'Men aren't better than women' isn't the same as 'women are better than men'
@RUclipsInsistInBanningPeople Most colonialism in the world was done by white people, even when Indians & the Chinese are more numerous. Therefore, ALL white people are white supremacists. Can you see a problem with your logic??
@@fulcrum2951 I would like to point out that these individuals misuse the label of "Skeptic". Anyone familiar with the work of Martin Gartner, Carl Sagan, Steven Novella, James Randi, Michael Shermer and so many others considered voices for the scientific skepticism community recognize these people for what they are...they use terms like "skeptic" and "pseudoscience", but they are devoid of content. This is a deliberate move on their part to confuse the issue and make it more difficult to recognize true Skeptics, i.e. people who apply the rules of critical thinking and rational discourse to analyze evidence and fight the natural tendencies of the human mind to committing logical fallacies. The fact that they have you referring to them as "skeptics" shows that their tactic works, no offense, of course.
I wouldn't be surprised if Black Pigeon Speaks still goes up to women on the street and says "boys rule girls drool" like kids do when they are in grade 1
Redem10: Secretly a perfect illustration of patriarchy. The female piece, despite being better than the male piece in every way, is still subservient to him. #smh 😜
In earlier editions it was called the vizier, and terrible sexists actually condemned the change of name from male vizier to female queen. Just like they hounded Zoe Quinn, just like they continue to call it "inserting politics into video games" whenever their own racist, sexist politics is not front and centre in a videogame.
Relevant; 'During the 16th century the queen's move took its modern form as a combination of the move of the rook and the current move of the bishop. Starting from Spain, this new version - called "queen's chess" (scacchi de la donna), or pejoratively "madwoman's chess" (scacchi alla rabiosa) - spread throughout Europe rapidly, partly due to the advent of the printing press and the popularity of new books on chess.[14] The new rules faced a backlash in some quarters, ranging from anxiety over a powerful female warrior figure to frank abuse against women in general' - From Wikipedia, I'm lazy.
i wonder if this guy actually talks to any human females like the things he says about women are so viscerally offensive that I can't imagine any woman wanting to be around him maybe that's why he resents us so much lel
Honestly if a woman ever managed to spend elongated amounts of time with him they will chew him out so badly he will end up making a RUclips video whining about how wamen need to be controlled, and how letting them run around being firm or aggressive will cause the fall of mankind.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 - I'm pretty sure he already did a video like that. Or at least he did video complaining about women being sexually loose leading to the downfall of the western world.
@@thesacredlobo Black pigeon: women being loose will be the downfall of western society. Me checks notes: Western Country birth rates have been the lowest in decades. The promotion of contraceptives and family planning have boosted both Economic Development and Public Health.
of note is the recent drama in the fighting game community surrounding female players the super smash brothers melee scene in its earlier days had some amount of female players of notable skill level (see: milktea, one of the best players at the time she was active), and yet at this point they've all disappeared. it's really not hard to figure why either when 90% of the people at every tournament are men and those men are really not good at dealing with women a lot of those men have been resisting milktea's efforts to create a safe space for women to get accustomed to playing the game at a higher level (called "smash sisters"), asserting much the same arguments as black pidgeon with somewhat less overt sexism just an interesting thing to note, that no matter how many times women reach the high level of games men still can't accept that those women are actually good at something
Because misogyny and male supremacy is encoded deep into males and goes unchallenged or is down played constantly. We really have a problem diminishing the ubiquitousness, severity and how mundane and normalized misogyny is. Even little girls around age 6 begin to believe boys are smarter than them in math when the girls actually get the better grades.
Yeah, shoutouts to Milktea for the Smash Sisters initiative. It’s hard work to change such a boy’s club culture and make it a better place for everyone.
forgive the intrusion professor but it sounds as if you're implying it would be especially galling for men to be worse at something precisely because they're better at that thing
Where are you living. I watched alot of right-wing RUclipsrs before this and i can state that with absolut certainty: The alt-right followers are exactly like the radikal left in their behaviour. They both accuse each other of the same things they are both guilty of. All the comments here with the most upvotes tens to show real ignorance and arrogance.
Don't worry, extremists like him are just noisy, it always makes a good illusion of being rich in numbers There is a saying in my language, don't know/remember if there is equivalent in english but it would go like 'the noisiest cows give the least amount of milk' also: they can't accomplish anything harmful as long as we consistently show their ideas for what they really are - plain bullshit
@Alan Wilson how objective and productive of you. the irony in your comment is too much for me. i should stop talking politics there is noone actually interested in an honest discussion.
@@harrystyles7466 Who on the left is arguing that women are the true evil of the world and shouldn't have rights? Since you say both are doing the same thing.
God I had a friend tell me to watch BSP and I did in good faith and four minutes in to a video about trans people being mentally ill he quoted a study, didn't source it, I looked it up, and found that the authors of the study came to basically the opposite conclusion than the one he implied this study supported. And so the hilarity at 5:10 Just further cements my decision to nope out at that intellectual dishonesty
A male gran-master would never had to play after beeing demoralized for his gender... A woman would, and they are... And even so they win, againt not only a good player but against a whole aura of hatred againt then. The reason i think (and with nothing but my opnion) they divide chess tournements by gender is because its unfair to have half of the players been mentaly bashed before the game, I was always a poor chess player, not my thing i guess, but I never have been called out, nor demoralized in any tunement, but any girl, as good as they were, always suffered with some ashole calling them names right before the game. Shit, I remember a girl playing a final while crying because other player called here a stupid bitch right before the match started, she lost by a single mistake, we all new she was the better player, but only imagine trying to do anything you are good at while been demoralized. Like, I bet Kasparov would never win a match if all his life was about prooving he could play, not if he could win!
in the sport of skateboarding there's a fear of being watched and judged, and for some reason women feel this more so my towns indoor skatepark created a womens night which is stupid but i think women do work better when around other women. maybe i'd feel more awkward if it was a womens sport
I thought his justification would be that chess is a war simulator and that "women shouldn't be part of wars" but no, he just calls about half of the human population stupid.
Nicely layered thumbnail, guys. Arguing with BPS is like playing chess with a real pigeon - no matter how good you are at chess, he'll knock over the pieces, take a shit on the board, and strut around victoriously (while blaming women for the decay of Western civilisation, of course).
I usually don't like to watch these types of videos where someone talks about some political/social topic for 20+ minutes but the way you shut down these intellectually dishonest alt-righters/"skeptics" is very satisfying to listen to.
I learned how to play chess as a child and by my early teens was competing in local and county competitions. This was back in the early 80s and I met resistance and sexism among my opponents. Quite frequently I'd be the only girl in a sea of boys. I met boys and men who HATED being beaten by a girl much more so than they would if they'd been playing a male. I could never really understand it. Even as late as the 90s I still met this attitude. My Dad taught me and he had a habit of giving a low whistle whenever I made a particularly good move which used to make my Mum laugh. My parents would chat with the other kids' parents when we went to the competitions and Mum told me indignantly of a couple she'd met who said both their son and daughter played, but "naturally" they gave more support to their son. I've always disagreed of having women's only competitions. It should be a free-for-all and girls must get used to playing boys!
the problem is that it is just exhausting proving you are a person over and over again against a sea of criticism. I like women only spaces for practicing and having a chance to breathe a bit before jumping back out into a world where I do not know if my next opponent will be polite or a complete asshole. being emotionally prepared for that sort of nonsense all the time is tiring, and for someone entering a new hobby, without having a passion for it, why stick around? I find women only/non cis men spaces great training grounds and community. I will not isolate myself from the game community at large, but I value being allowed a break from constantly being on the defensive.
When I was a kid I was in the chess club of my school and the majority of members there were girls. My biggest competitor was a girl and she won the tournament more than one time. But sure, let´s all hear what the animal avatar of the week has to say about how that is impossible and never happened.
+Lu Tze I don´t understand what is your point. The tournaments, except for one, were not sponsored by our school and anyone of any age could enter so our little club was really kinda irrelevant to them. I end up playing against a couple of teenagers even (and I crushed them but meh, that is also irrelevant) and some kids younger than me. In fact, only a bunch of us would participate in the tournaments at all. The rest just liked to do the activities in the books they gave us and play against each other after school. We also had a professional chess player as our teacher (the type that could play and win four chess plays at the same time) telling us what we did wrong and what we did right so, I assure you, even though not all the members had the ambition to compite they could still play very well. It was cool.
Oh shit i just I was the chess master in my school. However I was always second until a person called Katherine left the school. I always held that to her being older then me not cause she was a girl. I never beat her I just become he chess master cause she graduated
There are a lot of interesting studies of such "stereotype threat" situations as were brought up in the study you mentioned. One study I saw that I'd like to track down again divided Asian women into three groups to complete a math test. As I recall: The control group first did a word problem using neutral words. One of the groups first did a word problem with words associated with Asia, subliminally reminding them that they were Asian, and they did better than the control group. One of the groups first did a word problem with female-associated words...and they did worse than the control group. These types of studies suggest that when we are reminded that we are in a situation where many people would expect us to do well (people think Asians are good at math) we perform better than when we are reminded that we are in a situation where many people would expect us to perform poorly (because people expect women to be bad at math)...on average, anyway. Some people are spurred on by the idea of beating the odd, but it is easy to psych yourself out. It also suggests why having role models who resemble you and messages that counteract the "X people aren't good at Y" narratives can be important.
I found that study showing women performing more poorly against the same opponent when they were told they were men vs. being told they were women fascinating!
Were you not paying attention? The women were always playing only against MEN. They were just TOLD they were playing against women. When they KNEW they were playing against men, they lost more often, when they THOUGHT the MEN they were playing against were women, they won more. If you want to prove how superior men are, try not to be so blatantly ignorant. The information was literally spelled out to you in this very video, and you were unable to register it in your brain.
Rez Please that study had tiny populations and nowhere near enough data points to be relied on. All that it showed is what we already know, that women are there own worst enemy, essentially defeating themselves when faced with a “male” opponent
Well, that's interesting, but I don't think that's the whole story. Many studies show that some traits, intelligence included, vary more across men than women. E.g. there is no agreement whether mean intelligence of man is the same as of woman or is there a small disparity, but many researches shown the standard deviation across women is smaller than across men.
The problem is, that people take this statistical arguments and come to individualistic conclusions, and you really can't do that. There are less women not only in chess, but in overall competitive games because the culture just changed from a patriarchal society a couple decades ago. And specially in things like Chess, or Magic the Gathering for example... or videogames, o rol playing games. Many mans still tend to openly dislike and discourage the participation of women. So is not that a women cannot become really good at those things, is that circumstances limit the amount of women that end up becoming really good. But just the fact that a single woman can be really good disproves all the dumb asses biological arguments
Also, if any biological argument is true. Is maybe that the more testosterone you have, more competitive you become. So maybe a good chunk of women that have the potential to become really good, really don't think is worth it to do so, therefore they just stay in the above average level. Because let's be real. Becoming good at chess, or a card game, or a competitive videogame. Is a bitch. You basically need to base your life around it. I used to be really competitive at League of Legends,and Pokémon. So i know that. A lot of people just don't find it fun.
Leit Sabbath You're very correct about basing your life on a hobby. Women are by default expected to stay at home, child rear, cook/clean. So people can't fathom when a women does none of those things and is practicing her hobbies. Even now a days it's very hard for women to even pick up a hobby (you can do this at any age or sex yet women are still discouraged from doing anything new). I personally believe if we take gender out of everything, women and men can learn how to work together or mixed teams. women will evolve to get better at competition, men will get better at sportsmanship. it's a win-win! but I guess it makes too much sense so it's not gonna happen anytime soon.
@@ZumbaMarx @Zumba Marx I did read it well, this dude said that women will get better at competition which is completely false. The reason is that women don't "need" to compete so there really is no incentive to be the best. Men only gain any respect from other men or love from females when they are great at something and are successful. Women are already valued without needing to burn millions of hours into a skill.
How does this have so many dislikes? He's debunking a neo-nazi for cryin' out loud! EDIT: Now it's recommending Black Pigeon Speaks videos! What is the Hbomb censorship addon good for?
Then provide some evidence pls. I have seen some people using "((()))" in his comments, which doesn't make it seem unlikely, but I would still like to see your reason for believing that.
The forums of chess.com are very misogynist. Many of the same users develop reputations for harrassment of female opponents. It's offputting to see from people who are supposed to appreciate pure logic. Until I realized, it's strategic. These men are trying to maintain chess as a place for men. So they do everything they can to make entry points to the sport disinviting. I agree with Polgar that women's leagues harm women at the top, but I can immediately tell that non-chess factors would discourage women at lower levels. I attribute it to what I've seen termed elsewhere as "adorkable misogyny", and chess.com shows that it should not be seen as non-threatening.
I agree. People said the same thing about women's colleges back in the day. They are known as being generally less selective and less competitive colleges. So women prefer co-ed schools since they are seen as more relevant. But, as we now know, those schools can come with their own risks and bad experiences that women also have to prepare for. There are pros and cons to each choice. You can be comfortable among other women, or be more competitive among the men. It's unfortunate that those are the only options. A lot of activities and fields are like this.
BPS should look into changing his name to BPDS - Black Pigeon Double Speaks on account of how contradictory most of his statements are . For eg. he believes that in order to consider women as equals it means that women have to prove that they regularly and easily defeat any and all men in every aspect of human life , not realizing that such a statement is massively contradictory. If women regularly and consistently proved that they were better abled, more competent and more intelligent than just the majority of men then that wouldn't make them equal to men it would actually make them far superior to men. In any case those who make up the insanely talented , intelligent or athletic among us only constitute a small fraction of any overall population . Most people are roughly average but apparently for women average doesn't mean 'just as good' but rather it shows how inferior they are to men. The fact that someone would claim that in order to be taken seriously most women have to perform way above average is the very epitome of misogyny and possessing a discriminatory mindset. It stating that the best of women only amounts to the lowest or most average of men.
Riko1980 - women don't have to prove anything. Few great female chess players don't disprove the scientifically backed up observation that variation in various traits (including intelligence) is greater across males than females.
MCMaterac I mean that's pretty ambiguous to say men are different from women. I would ask for those "scientificly backed observations". But I don't know if you agree with black pigeon or not. So I have no idea to which extent you're talking about.
I think that's a good article: socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2017/06/why-are-there-so-few-women-in-sciences.html referencing several studies. For genetic explanation, You may check Shinobi Yaka's video "SexEd for SJWs' - Part 1 Sex Determination" (You may skip to 7:10).
MCMaterac IQ is a flawed test of intelligence and one cannot weigh the overall intelligence of groups upon it www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html%3famp One can even train to do better on IQ tests specifically, one's intelligence isn't improved, only one's IQ result
The skeptic community is actually a demagogue community. They believe in mob rule. They keep their hand on the pulse of the mob & say whatever they think the mob wants to hear.
+Sven Tempest I think BPS probably actually believes what he's saying, but SQWs like The Amazing Atheist are the mob's bitch, & in TJ's case it's just a struggle to stay relevant, a struggle he's losing if you consult his page on social blade, which reveals the "beautiful destruction of TJ Kirk" with the present mass exodus of subscribers from his channel. Get it, exodus? A Bible reference about an atheist lol
First the problem with the skeptic community is that there is no real group/ community in place. The thing you could call skeptic commuity was the atheist agnostic etc community in the past but then broke even further apart when this femenist sjw thing started. Yes many of the "anti " feminist croud are those old skeptics but not all and a lot of people came in this new group for example a lot of conservatives. Now you have a extremly mixed group hard core christian making similiar videos then atheists and doing them together. The only thing that all of those people have in common is that they dont like sjw the hardcore feminists and stuff and thats it, not even the reasons why they dislike them are the same. And second to the demagogue community, every community of ideas is exactly this. Your community too look at the comments for example. People who watch "both sides", which is not true at all there are not just to sites, are very rare. most of the time i am the only one i can find saying negativ things underneath a video. Dont make the mistake thinking your gruop here is different like we are doing it correct. I have still to find the group which does. And third dont do generalization. It is not: they are sying what the crowd wants to hear, some maybe but some of the "other side" do too. But most just say what they believe and people like what they say and listen. i would say the crowd does not have influece of what the person says but more or less dictates what the person is speaking about, the topic.
+DudeWizard You honestly believe the anti-Anita videos (made by atheist & other non-gamer channels) were all made with genuine passion for the subject? Because that's where it started. Anti-Anita videos became its own sub-genre on RUclips after feminist frequency merely announced that she would be making videos on video games. Gamers are the largest community on RUclips, because every gamer has an online presence, which means that even the most mediocre non-entity gamer channel will garner at least 1M subs. Not all gamers are misogynists, but the misogynists amongst them are substantial in number, because gamers are such a large demographic. Pandering to them, after members of the atheist community saw how easy it was to achieve continued success by doing so, also attracted your average garden variety misogynist to their channels, which mostly turned out to be right-wingers, unsurprisingly. Meanwhile, another phenomenon was developing: commenters started making audio versions of their comments, calling these: "videos". Another demographic that exists is the existential crisis community of shut-ins (who also comprise, & found appeal with gamers of the more hateful variety) who get their jollies from searching for videos they disagree with & spamming the comments section & ratings. These serial commenters started making RUclips channels, where they made audio versions of what they had been doing for years previous, which all the other serial commenters subscribed to. This appealed to them a lot more because their attacks were more concentrated & devastating, because of sheer numbers being on their side, & also because their RUclips channels grew, which alleviated their existential crisis quite a bit. The right-wing conspiracy nut jobs are riding the wave of success the others I mentioned "created". All these comprise the "skeptic" community, as they are never skeptical of one another (often actually endorsing one another), despite their supposed differences (they apparently put their differences aside for their shared obsession with the same scapegoats & buzzwords). If they ever upload a video that the mob doesn't collectively agree with, like Racism is Unstoppable's anti-Trump views, or Sargon's & TJ's pro-Bernie views, or Blunderfart's anti-Brexit views, then the creators will feel the backlash from their troglodyte audiences & in response go right back to pandering to the scum of the internet (seriously, who is more deserving of the epithet?). The demagogues' exploitation of mob rule I believe to be the greatest threat to freedom of speech on RUclips.
@Knight Chime okok lets start ^^ 1)Ok lets start with the anita part: First i myself am not a big fan of anita she makes to many assumptions about possibilitys and ignores the alot of contradictions about her own arguments. What i mean is that she does a shitty job. Another part about her was her rly small sample group. But ok enough about that. You are right a lot of people made videos about her work. But i would say exactly there is the point a made. they make videos about the topic anita because people want to hear what those people think about it. They said what they thought about a topic the audience demanded. The "mob" wanted a topic and people made videos about it. That so many are negativ about it is mostly not because people wanted to hear bad things about her, i would say that would get the amount of pro anita videos down but not the anti anita videos up, anita just made a lot of mistakes in her work which meant alot of negativ works back and like you said before a large amount of people on youtube are gamer, which makes alot of youtube content creators gamer too which then leads to negativ videos about her too, if all this negativity is earned or not is not important... ok i think you got my point there. 2) On to the next part: i dont get what you mean with that second part of yours. Do you mean the consequences of getting many bad comments ??? I just dont understand what you mean with that part sorry would be nice if you would explain that in a reply. 3) ok now the last part: they are skeptical about eachother and again my assumption/ theory, i would not call it more than this rigfht now to be fair, applys again. They dont seem to skeptical about each other, thats because they make videos about the same thing the same topic. the topic demanded by the fans or how you call them mob. It is the topic thats get choosen by the viewers not the opinion o atleast not as dirct as you say. and again you said most some maybe but i dont think alot of the skeptic community. you even proved this inderectly with the part of the backlash about differnt opinions. they have differentideas and they are not pandering with there beliefs but with the topics they speak about. and of course if all of them make anti anita videos left right center or whatever ocourse they dont disagree with each other. they have the same view about this topic. go back a few years whan it was about religion, you would not make the same arguments back then. In the end you have a rly bad attitide about the skeptic community. That makes you say things like all of them, scum of the internet, the mob. are you sure those are all correct. The feminist community if you know what i mean does the same like the anti feminist community videos abiout the same topic just with differnet ideas. and there are some of the old atheist commuitiy which is today the skeptic comminity on both sides. it is not as easy as they are bad they are evil or just doing it for money i would even say thats completly wrong. i hope i could answer your points with my english and understanding of them. and dont forget to explain what you mean in your secoind part ok
Fuck, 2 minutes in and i'm already laughing at Black Pigeon Speaks. I'm sorry, but i can't take him seriously enough to warrant a 15 minutes response video. Thank you for existing, Shaun and Jen, and doing that for me and much others.
I had more laugh at Shaun in this one: conflating 1:50-1:56 with 3:10-3:16 and making a claim @10:14 - 10:29. I don't know if he hasn't heard about larger variation in intelligence (and few other traits) across men than women (that is strongly backed up by both statistical data and basic genetics) or he just loves picturing himself as superior to his adversaries.
@Chewy Thomson You eat poo. It's strongly backed up by "yo mama told me". Happy? If You think women and men have the same intelligence distribution or that the difference is only due to nurture or that it has no effect on chess performance, check some research papers and think how much water does the Shaun's argument really hold.
The entire video I was waiting for you to mention Karolina Styczyńska! Sadly, you didn't but that's okay. She's not a chess player, technically, but she became the first non-Japanese shogi (often called "Japanese chess", but also considered to be more complex than chess) player who was granted a professional status, just last year. She's also very nice irl and a friend of a friend, but that's beside the point, more people should know about her.
When I watched that video (cause I'm a closet masochist apparently) I literally shouted Polgár's name at the screen (followed by some colorful Hungarian cussing). I hate when people throw such terms around lightly, but BPS is an actual all-out sexist and misogynist. Most of the RUclips anti-feminsts who are accused of such things are really just have reactionary attitudes and enjoy acting like inconsiderate dicks on purpose, but BPS is the real deal, a literal woman hater. It is clear from the way he talks about certain things and the language he uses, that he barely can hold back his hate.
Despite the guy being completely disgusting, there’s something refreshing about a guy who loathes women being straightforwardly hateful instead of hiding behind the common euphemisms and smokescreens. I feel that if someone had asked black pigeon his feelings on gamergate a few years ago, he would have been up front and said, “NO WOMZ IN GAMEZ!!!”
Reduces win rate against opponents of equivalent skill by 50%. This is clearly significant but I don't think it's a very good definition of performance. Being 0.1 seconds slower at a sprint could be the difference between winning and losing but it would be absurd to say they performed half as well. A female player could overcome this bias by being just a bit better than the male.
seeing actual physical sugar pills do placebo quite a number of applicants of drug trials, and their what the heck?! efects are of the kind that can be measured directly, it would be quite a puzzle, if there were no such similar psychological effects.
Chess is all about prediction an computation, most chess masters think several moves ahead. Women have proven that they have the skills necessary, historically they have been used as actual computers back in the day where that was a vocation and not a term for a machine. Women can clearly play chess. I hope people who use the biological argument to justify their bigoted views don't also use evolution to justify them too. To say "women are X because evolution so you can't question me" are forgetting that evolution is powered by the engine of change. In a world with evolution, even if it was true women where inferior, thanks to evolution that's not a guarantee it will be like that forever.
@@arunkeshavadas7171 It’s not a narrative, dumbass. She was being discouraged from participating because of her gender, that happens all the time. Also, she said she never got into chess so how would you know if she was incompetent?
@@arunkeshavadas7171 Except she didn’t quit, she just never got into it in the first place because she assumed it was a male hobby. There’s still time for her to learn but it’s not the same as playing video games all the time and then stopping because of abuse from twelve year olds in a voice chat (which you could literally turn off easily).
@RUclipsInsistInBanningPeople Probably because more men get involved in chess than women, precisely because it is perceived as a male hobby. Are you good at chess? I highly doubt it, in fact you’re probably so shit that you try to make yourself feel better by making stupid comments like that.
@RUclipsInsistInBanningPeople Everybody is interested in shopping, otherwise how would they get what they need? And I can already tell you’re not good at chess because you feel the need to brag about it online like a dumbass.
Minnetonka comes from the local native language, so my guess is that the language has different syllable stress rules. For example, a local town near where I live is called sisseton, also from the local native American language. English speakers normally pronounce it siss-uh-tun, whereas its "more accurate" to say siss-ay-ton, if that makes sense (I'm not in any way an expert on this so I'm sure there's a better way to put it, but whatever). It's also worth noting that even the native Americans around here dont refer to it that way, its just correct in the purely technical sense. So what I'm saying is that while I'm not 100% positive its the same case with minnetonka, maybe he is saying it correctly, just not in the context of an English speaker or even the locals. Not to trip over myself defending black pigeon speaks or anything, but its a fun little thing I noticed
@@fritzophrenia3146 I live right next to the town and he did pronounce it pretty strangely, nobody i know pronounces it other than with four syllables as “min” as in mini, e as in the start of especially and tonka as one would expect. all pressed together. its a minor point as he does not live here and could not know. like the “star tribune” is the paper the article at the beginning is pronounced here as a single word with the emphasis on the “une”
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When I first started playing chess, I beat my then-boyfriend on our 3rd game, and he was kinda huge douche about it, idk, he just made it a way bigger deal than it was. I could tell he was a lot more hurt by it than he was letting on, and I just didn’t like the idea of beating him more and more, and having him hold onto that. He was the only person in my life who wanted to play chess/had the free time to to meet up and play, and so I ended up not getting into the game anymore, because my only opponent was being so weird about losing. Maybe I’ll get back into it, after seeing this video & growing older & wiser a couple years later. Thanks, Shaun!
I appreciate this video so much. Chess was my most prominent experience with sexism and gender stereotyping growing up. I was first chair for my chess team every year in school except one. That one year I was literally barred from being on the team by the female cheerleading coach who was teaching the "gifted" class that the chess team was picked from. I played every guy in my class and beat them, then she made me play every guy from the other classes and I beat them too (none of the guys in my class had to do this). Even after beating every single person I played she still didn't let me go to the tournament. Even exceeding the moving goal post wasn't good enough for her.
The chess story is fucking bad enough, I hope he was better informed on the other shit he was talking about but I doubt it, his whole premise was on women being unable to manage at top level chess because of feminine weakness, which as we all know, is bullshit
My hypothesis for the women bashing is this; they got rejected by a girl at a young age and were unable to find another and now have an inferiority complex so they have to resort to bashing women on the internet to make themselves feel better.
"AHA you are concerned about one thing which means there's no way you're concerned about another thing, logic wins again!" John... are you ok buddy? You seemed to have commented on a lot of the top comments on this video bringing up Islam out of nowhere. I'll have you know that I have 3 Muslim friends and only 2 have tried to kill me because I'm gay.
I hear a lot among the right wing claiming that “””SJWs””” are misrepresenting their arguments as sexist and that portrayals of them in feminist media are exaggerated/straw men/unrealistic/etc. Yet this guy literally sounds exactly like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.
Hou Yifan and the Polgar sisters are admired by chess fans all over the world! But look at the FIDE top 100 and explain why the evidence does not show what it shows, but is in fact evidence of something else e.g wickedness, bias, oppression. Occam's Razor, anyone?
+tjfreckles1995 Depends largely on what criteria you're using and how you define "top 100". If you're using the FIDE rankings, well they have a separate system for men and women so a top 100 list doesn't really exist.
As a woman who played many tournaments in the "female" side, where the male champios would never want to play the women, I enjoyed tremendously your video. It was clear to me that it was a sexisim issue and not a sport strategy, or even enjoyment of the game.
What I find so strange about people saying that "men are just genetically predisposed to be better at chess" is that actual chess pros say (well, nowadays anywyays) that there isn't much of a difference. And when these pros say this (like, u know, Magnus Carlsson has done) people are calling him out on "adhering to the woke mob as to not get cancelled". Obviously this is a thing that occurs in most competitive games. But at the very least it seems to be changing with, say Valorant in that regard. Which is nice, even tho I prefer the gameplay of CS:GO. It's just a shame I find myself wishing that the community was less of an acidic, toxic substance of depressed and angry people
"Can Women Chess? Ft. Black Pigeon Speaks" /sighs /stares blankly at the screen for a while /"it's a S&J video, I can't just skip it" /"but that title tho" /'Can Women ________ ft Black Pigeon Speaks' /pre-emptively does a bunch of meth and waits for the inevitable soul-crushing crash Alright...my frame of mind is ready. Let's do this.
That study is super interesting. I can draw a tangent directly to online gaming and my own experiences. There've been times when I matched with someone that was of a far higher rank than I was, and I couldn't perform as well as I normaly would due to the physological factor. This must be the same thing basically. Women in this study know that they ''should'' perform worse against a man and by extention they do exactly that. Cultural conditioning is so much stronger than people think. Many things we take for granted or deem natural could be completely proven wrong in a different context.
Wow, dislikes already. Joke's on them, it all counts as "activity" that boosts S+J's RUclips profile in the "raw data" for them to "analyse", plus it boosts the sub count!
I thought there'd be more subscribers to this channel, along the lines of Sargon or BPS, even the small rebel media up in Canada has completely eclipsed this channel? C'mon guys, subscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is still such small little insignificant potatoes! I'll ask a bunch of people to watch and hopefully subscribe. What I don't get is how someone like Sargon can have like 3 channels all with more, and how is it that all of the above mentioned channels all have pretty much the same content I think, but there are so many subscribers, you'd think just one would do? Is it content related? Or presentation related. At any rate, you should look into this Shaun and Jen, maybe you can model after them for more success, you know, subscriber wise?
IsotopeIvan Tarasov The amount of subscribers is not indicative of the quality of a channel. And majority of people are stupid. Look Islam has over a billion followers!! According to your logic Islam is the truth, so many idiots follow that ideology!!
“A poor mans Sargon Of Akkad” that is the most devastating insult ever
Sargon of Akkad is already the poor man’s Sargon of Akkad
and not really accurate because BPS is far worse than sargon. sargon is an idiot who repeats all sorts of "hurr durr sjw bad" propaganda. BPS is an absolute extremist
Jürg Nobs Except that we have pretty definitive proof that Sargon is also a white supremacist and 100% proof that he’s an ethnonationalist, and by extension is probably a Nazi
Also an insult to poor people. I come to this channel for a little class solidarity & poverty is being used as an insult.
Francesco Nicoletti it’s just a saying and if anything it’s sympathetic to poor people pointing out they have to make due with worse alternatives to products
Not sure if anyone will see this, but I used to play magic the gathering semi-competitively, 1-2 tournaments per week. Won a couple, placed a dozen time. Was usually the only woman there or the only other woman there. Notice I say "used" to. The amount of abuse hurled at me in magic tournaments. Guys pounding their fists, cussing at me, telling me I'm shit, my deck is shit, my deck is unfair, literally ripping up their cards, throwing their hand at me after they lose. Do you have any idea how unnerving it is to be a woman when a guy is angry with you? I quit tournaments after a guy told me to eat a dick because the judge ruled against him in on a rules question. I pride myself on knowing the intricacies of the rules. I love magic, but it's just not worth the abuse, basically paying money to have guys get mad at me.
I'm sorry to hear about that. It's horrible just how obvious it is that this problem exists, and that people are still misled by Black Pigeon Speaks and Stefan Molyneux and the sort.
That sort of behavior is literally against the Magic Tournament Rules. Unsporting Conduct: Minor, Unsporting Conduct: Major, and/or Unsporting Conduct: Aggressive Behavior.
From your comment I assume it's a moot point, but if you do end up in a situation like that in the future, don't hesitate to call a judge. Judges are just as responsible for maintaining the integrity of the tournament and safety of participants as they are for keeping games on track.
Having completed Judge Academy courses myself, I can vouch that the training judges get is probably 20% rules and 80% community support/tournament management.
Magic attracts a strange subset of the population. I used to play somewhat competitively and I just couldn't take the strangeness. There were so many tantrums, pouting, and big egos that I just gave up (that and the power creep and my lack of wanting to buy more and more cards)... plus the smell. I don't miss the smell.
I'm sorry you had to put up with such petty, abusive tantrums. Those sore losers are weak for not having the strength of taking a hit with grace and dignity. Tournaments should have better rules of behavioral conduct and thus should punish those who behave badly. You deserve better company, miss. I hope that you are given support and care.
very late, but i have a similar story. used to play pokémon (both video game and card game) semi competitively. even when i was losing it was really horrible. not only was i a girl to them (actually nonbinary but whatever), but i was also like 14-15. my last straw was literally getting a rape threat at a tournament when i beat a guy, and the staff didn’t do anything to him. none of the teenage boys got treated like this.
POV: You're here from 2023, the future, where Trans women have been banned from the female chess leagues for some reason but they're not really saying why and think Shaun should do another chess video.
Because they aren’t female?
@@ShuffleboardJerk key bit: "Women's" chess. Nowhere does that mention being female. Either way, it doesn't matter, there is no reason for the gender division, let alone a trans exclusion.
@@sirmagmo4710how many women are in the top 100 in chess right now?
@@sirmagmo4710 Ah perhaps I shouldn't've used "Female" because the bigots love to weaponise that word. I meant Women's. And you're 100% correct, there's no reason to exclude them.
@@ShuffleboardJerkAre you actually suggesting women are less logically and strategically skilled than men, contrary to all avaliable studies on the topic?
Do you not believe that peoples confidence and personal attitudes and choices in life are largely influenced by how they are raised and social pressure?
Can you see how irrational your belief is? If you see a phenomenah in life, and quickly assume what the cause is, or that a corrolation IS the cause, you are pretty damn empirically illiterate.
For a long time people from USSR beat everyone else at chess. All of the world champions (apart from Fischer) were from USSR/Russia. It's not like their genetics were uniquely suited for abstract strategic thinking, but rather the government promoting the game and the culture. When that all fell apart they people from Russia stopped being #1 at chess. What's to say this isn't what's happening to women? How many women want to join a game full of thirsty guys who have weird pre-conceived notions about them?
"What's to say this isn't what's happening to women?"
Well India should have led to a lot of competent female players but it didn't.
@@DIVAD291 Why? I'm a girl in India and chess isn't marketed here anymore than any other game.
How many women would want to join is one thing... but even among the women that do, how many families will actually let them? Because, to be good at chess, most players start at a very young age. And need to keep practicing, and get to play competitively. Not just with neighbors or a local club. When you reach a certain level, to challenge yourself and keep getting better you'll need to be competing in tournaments.
When a kid says he's serious about chess.. A surprising amount of families in various countries/societies/communities will discriminate. If it's a son, they might approve, or even if they don't believe he'll make a career out of it, at least support his passion and wait to see how long it'll last. When it's a daughter, it will so often just be dismissed. If she's still allowed to play, the amount of support might not be the same, because it's not taken seriously, and families don't believe women have a chance to make it.
There are less female players, and also much much less female pros --> People don't believe women can make it --> There are less female players and female pros.
And then even IF they're allowed to try, it's SO, SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT! As I was saying, to get to the highest level you can reach, you will need to go to actual competitions. Even without discriminating against your daughters, how many families will let their 8/12/15 year old daughters go with their chess clubs to travel to tournaments regularly? With a club that will be at least 75% male, with mostly male teachers... and in the youngsters that want to be competitive, the proportion of males might be even higher, who lets their daughter travel alone regularly with all those guys for overnight stays to tournaments that will last for the whole weekend?
With what we know can happen to young female athletes even in sports predominantly female... how many will feel safe and comfortable to let their daughters similarly seriously involved in an environment that is mostly male? Those are obstacles that most people don't even think about. And that i'm still not sure how to solve even when knowing about it.
Congratulations, you explain one factor. Now explain why none a songle russian women won the World's Chess.
@@albertosoares7664 can you just shut tf up
It's kind of the same argument as saying that "A disproportionate number of professional chess players are of Russian ancestry," therefore "Russians are biologically hardwired to be good at chess." I mean, like in the gender argument, it could be those social factors, but that would involve looking at social studies, which is just too unscientific for biotruthers.
Within Russia, the sex differences are apparent.
I agree. There could be more (or less) female players represented at any given point along the distribution. It's the assumption that men and women have identical distributions for any given ability (chess, rotating 3D objects in one's head, memorization, etc) which I dispute. It is clearly an ideological belief and not remotely scientific.
That's actually a really good point. There's a very obvious and easily explained reason for there being a disproportionate amount of Soviets who were good at chess during Cold War and pretty much everyone agrees about that reasoning, so that is a good place to start with addressing the disproportionate representation of men to women in chess.
Biological difference COULD exist, I've never seen any compelling evidence one way or the other, but as shown with the Soviets, social and societal pressures also have a pretty big impact.
@tiglath pileser socialists tend not to sacrifice pawns as much.
Think men are more capable of giving up every other interest and dive into something than women are. Not sure why.
SJWs corrupted chess by making the queen stronger than the king
Is nothing safe from these commulists?!
chu ske By allowing the Queen to FUCK FREELY chess has de facto entered a matriarchy!
Castling is unnatural, moves should be between an King and a Queen
The global marxists want to replace the Bishop with an IMAM!!! Somebody needs to call This Week in Stupid
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I remember being in 7th or 8th grade, never having played chess but wanting to learn. I asked my grandfather, who was very good at it, to teach me and he said not to bother, it's not for girls. Add that to the reasons why there are less women in chess....
I am very sorry to hear that but why didn't you ask your peers to teach you instead. Times have changed. In my 8th grade class the chest players were split between both sexes.
@@nothacking1561 Maybe because she was discouraged by someone close to her and never encouraged by anyone else? Try to empathize a little.
When I joined chess club my dad offered to buy me a chess set.. but before he would but it.. he asked me “are you actually interested in chess or are you just doing it for some boy?”
You got discouraged by a mean comment.
Story of your life. Do you think men would have gotten discouraged?
Maybe, maybe not. On Average less men would have given up due to negative stigma.
Embrace difference - enjoy your own strengths.
@@kenjidev576 Fewer, not less
"Don't play chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over the pieces, shit all over the board and then strut around like it won the game."
its almost like misogyny actually has real world effects apart from just ''being offended''.....
impossible
Edit: I was joking. Ten years ago, that would’ve been obvious. But certain… “conservatives” have caused the bar to get several feet lower.
@@MigattenoBlakaeYou never know
I can speak a little to the chess thing. My dad is quite good at chess and taught me at a young age, and I liked it well enough. But when I started playing people outside my family I quickly got turned off because- and this is something I've read Ms. Polgar talk about- beat a dude at chess and 9 times out of 10 he will be an absolute douche about it. It's a game, guys. Just a game- and while it takes skill it isn't the all-important measure of super smartiness that people have set it up to be. But being beaten by a woman at this game is such a kick in the balls to men, they get really sore, and that is not fun. Most people don't actually get any pleasure out of making other people miserable, and it sets up a resistance inside of you when it happens a couple of times. You don't even want to win, it isn't worth it.
Games should be fun. Playing any single game well is not an absolute measure of intelligence. Chess is not the be-all and end-all, people should just relax and enjoy the puzzle of it.
Take this comment and replace 'chess' with 'videogames' and suddenly many things start to make perfect sense
I think I made the mistake of letting my brother win at every games so that he'll stop breaking furnitures.
Good to know it's the guys who are absolute douches in chess, and our little sisters are angels. Such is the patriarchy
devicat26 You're going to pre judge men based on how little boys act?
You're wrong, chess is a fight (or a war - as Carlsen call it) like any sport. It takes a lot of determination and character to win.
BlackPigeonSpeaks: SJWs are pseudoscientists... *talks pseudoscience for 18 minutes"
Nopp. You just been fed false arguments here, and didn't stick your nose into the actual biology!
@@Airwave2k2 what are the false arguments? what is the actual biology? why does being better at chess matter this much to you?
@@Airwave2k2 Oh, by all means, please educate us properly in the biology.
Hmm, a Richard Lynn study? That seems legit and not guided at all. A meta-analysis that doesn't feature all the previous studies. Why not check this one: Sex differences in latent cognitive abilities ages 6 to 59: Evidence from the Woodcock-Johnson III tests of cognitive abilities.
It says females are better. It is also a much newer study.
Should I check the SJW propaganda dialogue tree or are you gonna say the same stuff with the rest NPCs?
@@Airwave2k2 No, you see, you missed my point. I'm already educated in biology. I'm already well versed in the scientific consensus regarding sex differences. Also, for some reason you assume that I think the sexes are biologically identical or something, which I don't, and no school biology course teaches that.
You say we've been fed false arguments, so I asked you to properly educate us, since the "leftist", "SJW-controlled" education system would certainly lead us astray.
Hou Yifan famously lost on purpose in an official game after the entire tournament she was "randomly" picked to play 7 women in 9 games, despite the fact that the vast majority of the players were men, and the same thing was happening to all women in that tournament. This was a way to put a hard limit on the maximum number of women that would proceed to the next stages. This also meant that the average ELO among those players stays roughly the same, which meant that other players playing against them in the future, so again - mostly other women, would gain less ranking points for that win. So basically, it meant women will need to continue to have far better and more stable results than men to get to the same level of ranking, and it would always have to be at the expanse of other women.
So as with many other cases, it's not just the psychological influence and only men being encouraged, but also systemic discrimination.
Wow, source?
it was random. The pairings are done automatically by a publicly available program. It was tested out by multiple people independently and those were the pairings.
@Glenna Smith who are you saying that too? Because I don't think their are any right wingers in this conversation.
Mn M source?
@@evaahh9584 it's been tested out, it's a well known available program Chessbase one of the most reputable chess news sites said "Each and every round’s pairings were analyzed in detail to see if even one single case was possibly the result of manipulation. Each case was verified, not by checking a computer, but checking with the system and pairings by hand, a long and laborious process. Each time the female opponent she faced was incontrovertibly correct."
en.chessbase.com/post/hou-yifan-pairings-controversy-investigation
"I was watching Black Pigeon Speaks" Well, that was your first mistake
PhilosophyNow LMAO, that really got me for some reason
So was thinking you contribute anything to philosophy and use it as a means of signalling intelligence but here you are.
@@ProDCloud When did I imply that I contributed to philosophy or that I was intelligent? And here you are 1 year after I made this comment lol
@@reallycoolgal When you made your username.
@@ProDCloud the username doesn't mean they think they contribute anything to philosophy, it could just mean they like it, or that that they want more of it now.
Boy, I hope he didn't hear about The Queen's Gambit, it's gonna kill him.
Its fictional
@@pratikgokhale7878 She’s based off of Bobby Fischer, a real person😐
@@euanoneill8398 but that's a guy
@@bloodywanker781 hol up
@@bloodywanker781 damn you’re right whoops lol
That study mentioned was quite interesting. I think the average white-pseudo fascist male tends to like to believe that social stigmas don't affect anyone's behavior, or ability to succeed. Clearly they do. Psychologically if you think your opponent is much better than you or feel you're not supposed to be better than them, you're likely to do worse - because self-doubting anxiety can put a person off their game. If everywhere you see social cues and sexist men claiming women are inherently worse at something, even if the women reject these statements, it will leave a mark in the psyche after constant exposure to such beliefs. Humans are wired to pay attention to social patterns and beliefs. A lot of what we are good at often has to do with social expectations, if boys are told from a young age that they should be naturally great at strategy, they will feel like something is wrong with them if they're not, so they focus their mind to meet those expectations and pick up hobbies that improve such skills. If girls are taught that due to "biology" they inherently should not be that good at strategy, they won't have such expectations to fulfill, and will likely avoid hobbies that would train those skills further because they're "not really made for it anyway" it's kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Another interesting thing to note, about the "changing goal posts" that this has happened to women since the dawn of time. Essentially fields that were at some point actually considered masculine, requiring of intelligence and deep-analytical skills, such as psychology and social sciences, suddenly are considered "useless feminine fake sciences" as soon as plenty of women entered the field. I read an interesting book about that studied the subject from the 1940s onwards, that when women break "glass ceilings" and enter traditionally masculine fields - rather than women gaining more prestige in society - the profession itself loses prestige and becomes socially regarded as "not that impressive" and actually the average salary falls for the job. The jobs that continue to be seen as "prestigious" and important are the ones that are still male-orientated. Once women break into the fields, suddenly they're not considered as important anymore. It's like some men just want to pat themselves on the back, and can't stand to think that anything women can do is as important as what they can do.
Alex Volkov
very interesting comment
This is a really great and insightful comment. The prestige and respectability of many fields seem to be determined by the type of people who enter them, not the field itself. It's like the subject or activity is only as valuable as the gender that does it the most.
I know you wrote this a year ago, but by any chance, do you remember the name of that book you read about this?
@@TheMorganVEVO like i always said, long boots used to be manly as fuck, but because women started to wear them, "they are girly now"
Alex Volkov You’re completely right. The opposite also happens when men go into traditionally female jobs. Programming was dominated by women - it was seen as kind of like secretary work until men turned to the field. Women were pushed out and it was then seen as prestigious.
I like how most of these men > women arguments devolve into "The tallest man is taller than the tallest woman, therefore all men are taller than all women." And in this case, the facts don't even support the first half of the claim. This argument is about as silly as saying that because BPS has poor reading comprehension and research skills, men are worse than women at reading and research.
The only thing I'll note about your metaphor is that, I think those arguments are even more sinister with regard to mental, rather than physical characteristics. This is because mental ability is both extremely malleable in humans, and our most important characteristic as a species. Denigrating one's intelligence is thus *profoundly* dehumanizing, and is often used to rationalize horrifying attitudes and actions towards them.
@Stale Bagelz Your metaphor is fantastic, though I'll say IQ as a measurement is largely incoherent. Most IQ tests consist of odd puzzles that are like little brainteasers, and general language questions...they bare very little resemblance to things like learning processes, information recall, higher-order creativity, inference, research ability & practical problem-solving.
IQ tests demonstrate how good someone is at taking IQ tests.
@@dreamcanvas5321 Yeah, that's a good point. Especially because even the "quantitative" measures (Like IQ) fall apart when you try to correlate them with job performance, real life success, etc. The only thing it really correlates with is how good you are at taking a test.
For things like this, there isn't even evidence to support that the "smartest man > smartest woman," at least in a way that separates it from nature vs nurture (IE, there are more male Nobel Prize winners because women were barred from most aspects of those fields until the last 40 years or so)
And you're also right that it shouldn't even matter if there is a difference- using this as a rationale to dehumanize someone is absolutely absurd.
While I entirely agree with the points being made in here, I feel that Shaun unfortunately fell into this same trap by claiming Nigel Short's comments about men being 'hardwired' (whatever that means) to be better chess players than women was disproved by him being beaten by a woman in a chess game. I've not read Nigel's exact comments, but I presume he backed up his feelings with some kind of scientific reasoning, and that can't be dismissed on the basis of him losing one single game as Shaun implied.
@@dreamcanvas5321 The things you mentioned, except for problem-solving, are not aspects of IQ. Problem solving and other dimentions of inteligence are actually measured by IQ tests. I apologise in advance for making an assumption about you but I suspect that you may have never taken a well constructed one.
I used to be quite a decent chess player, I played for my school, university, city and county, but back in the 70s/80s it was an awful world for girls. No-one really expected us to do well, even when I was Captain of a team the officials at matches would talk to the blokes. Players on the other team would opely congratulate themselves for drawing me, a girl, as their oppnent (not for long, usually, but still). Plus it was a ghastly, snobbish world for a working class kid to suddenly fetch up in. I don't know if this is as bad in other countries, but in Britain, much like in the Bridge world, the heirartchy of chess is not very welcoming to working class people.
Was the congratulations thing a breach of etiquette? Because without context, it sounds like they were pleased just to manage a draw against you. But maybe that's what you're saying - the officials didn't respect you, but other players did. I really can't tell.
Oh, I see, drawing you to play against. Well, I'll still post my comment for anyone who's confused like I was.
The same kinds of patterns of gender expectations/stereotype have affected women in a variety of typically masculine-coded careers, including math, engineering, physics and comp sci. What's interesting is that as the number of high-quality female workers in all of these fields slowly increases, BPS will have to reach out to more esoteric fields to "prove" how incompetent women really are. Expect him to look at the number of women under-represented in Dominoes, MtG, road construction, and Vegeta cosplays.
XRXaholic Pretty sure women already make better Vegeta cosplays! :p
I am the princess of all space warriors
XRXaholic.High quality female workers can only result from women wanting to compete in these ''masculine coded careers'' .Look at the statistics,even with positive discrimination the majority of women do not want to do any of the stuff you think they want to do.They have different interests and excel mostly in different careers.Its a science fact,typically biology.
Thomas Harris' fan, Isz?
I think that being autistic makes me less mentally prone to gender expectations. I mean, I can't really hold it in my head that I'm a woman and concentrate on whatever I'm doing at the same time, that takes more executive functioning than I'm capable of. Or maybe I don't identify as a female. I don't identify as a male though, I don't fancy having a dick or going on testosterone, even my digit ratio is girly, I'm like a female version of a soy boy.
Its kinda scary how many edgelords take BPS for his word. What the hell is it with YT skeptics and shite research?
it's an empirical claim about the statistical distribution of chess ability. if we assume that male and female distribution is IDENTICAL (statistically impossible) then all available evidence points to the opposite, namely a bias towards men at the tails of yet another normal distribution (bell curve.) Type "statistics 101" into the search bar, presumably some kind nerd has uploaded something useful.
assumption 1: men and women are genetic clones with IDENTICAL (?!) chess ability
assumption 2: psychological depravity and malicious intent compel wicked men to lie and/or pretend that the distributions are not identical
assumption 3: no amount of empirical evidence will ever show that the distributions are not identical because that is metaphysically impossible
assumption 4: SOME empirical evidence is in fact admissible, namely the success of a woman whose father was a chess genius and hothoused his daughter in chess. Given that Carlsen was not hothoused in this manner but is 200 ELO above Judit, wouldn't we expect that hothousing all human children equally in chess will merely replicate the current distributions? Why not?
This is like trying to detoxify a cultist's addled mind. You don't dispute the data. You don't cite the data. You don't interpret the data. There is just one grim orthodoxy. One stark, mathematical objective. You are convinced of a moral obligation to profess that the statistical distribution of FUCKING CHESS ABILITY is ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL because basically, INEQUALITY IS EVIL AND I AM NOT A NAZI and you kinda are.
The funny thing is, I'm not even coming down on one side of this fascinating question. (Yes, it's interesting so let's fucking discuss it!) As far as I can tell men have more of a taste and indeed love, for the game. The sane individual has his own assumption - chess ability and its distribution are the result of a complex interaction between "nature" and "nurture". You and most of the bafflingly obtuse commenters here have forbidden yourselves from noticing reality, on principle. And it's kind of energetically stupid, too. It has to be, to keep the extraordinary burden of proof at bay. When you opt for boutique ideological hallucinations rather than detached enquiry you have to routinely profess, and shriek in ecstasies of condemnation, and maintain a sort of white noise inside your skull to avoid any irritating glitches.
Finally, some questions. Is it desirable that men and women be identically capable of reaching 2800 ELO? Why? Why is such a state of affairs inherently desirable? Is it because chess has a reputation as a mind i.e a smart, game for more intelligent people? Are the world's best chess players more intelligent than Joe soap? (They SEEM to be, they all appear to speak several languages, there's university attainment etc Carlsen was memorizing all the countries, capitals and populations of all countries in the world as a kid for his own amusement. I mean, I just presume they're all of above average intelligence.)
There's over one billion Chinese people on this earth. In a way, I'm surprised there aren't more Chinese women at Hou Yifan's level. The male GM list has more and more Chinese entrants. You'd think eventually a genetic freak (sorry, I know genes are taboo) would be born there, male or female, a Rain Man of the chess board who like Usain Bolt will crush his rivals at a canter. I'd predict a man, but there I go running my hatemouth off issuing hatespeech and hatefacts on behalf of the, like, Patriarchy and stuff?
that's an awful lot of words talking about how your feels are hurt by people questioning your assumptions my dude
@@oldoddjobs nobody ever claimed that men were evil or wicked or serving some sort of nefarious agenda. The video never even entertains that idea, because that would be ridiculous. Nor does it say anything about hate speach or the patriarchy, because those things aren't the problem here. Nobody said that the statistics for men and women had to be identical. Did you even watch the video? The point is that yes, women can play chess just as well as men so long as they study the game (obviously), and also that chess ability is not the best measure of intelligence because of the social pressures that have an effect on the data. Besides that, you just accused people of not citing research and then didn't cite research, all you did was build a strawman and then get mad at the existence of that strawman. (Also what's with the insecure pseudo- intellectual linguistics?)
@@oldoddjobs You talked a lot and said nothing. You should become a politician.
"Judit Polgar found herself matched against Garry Kasparov, who is pictured here being accosted at a news conference by a remote-controlled dildo helicopter."
I appreciate you for so many reasons, and a not inconsiderable one of them is this very sentence right here.
Enjoy the circle jerk.
Shaun clearly isn't convincing the other camp with this childish attitude.
@@kenjidev576 Next time try to attack something that actually relates to the topic of the video.
Notice how he showed that before mentioning that man's beliefs about the topic at hand. The joke isn't about laughing at that man because of what he thinks, it's about the absurdity of the situation.
Just wanted to say that, you can go get your hands busy on the other camp's circle jerk now.
@@kenjidev576 oh no, that's very upsetting to me because the reason I come here is because of my desperate desire to watch "the other camp" (whatever that means) get convinced (of something).
That is the clip everyone will use out of context
Funny thing, that dildo was controlled by Putin's supporters, because Kasparov is in opposition to Putin
I usually at least try to sit through the original videos but I don't have the heart to listen to a man with a pigeon avatar tell teenage boys with frog avatars that women are biologically inferior for 18 minutes.
7jsheppard: Haha 😂
it makes so sad to think that a poor creature had to bear that big pile of shit in her womb for 9 months.
7jsheppard well bud you aren't the only one
A lot of boys go into puberty expecting their sexual urges to be met straight away - and instead of realistically learning about sex, love, gender etc end up with poor views of the world and delusions about how women should be treating them. Nowhere is this better seen than across RUclips, where misogynists and bigots cultivate audiences of hate and lust around their insidious ideas about women.
In my opinion, this kind of radicalization needs to be taken far more seriously than it is.
I'm going to have to agree.
The dildo helicopter bit is pure gold.
I love pigeons and I ended on black pigeons channel by looking for cute pigeon videos and....lets just say I was betrayed.
I know!!! I saw the name on Shaun's video and hoped it would be an animated skit about a melanistic pigeon being ridiculously sexist! But he's not even a real pigeon...
@@DemiBirdDoes Shaun is reclaiming skulls, now we need someone on the left to reclaim pigeons. Like, someone with a pet fancy pigeon or something who can talk about how women might actually be right about some things, or similarly radical ideas
😍 Rock Doves
Good!
You know, pigeons are actually pretty smart. Guess Black Pigeon Speaks in an exception to that
I am a trans woman and have been playing csgo since far before I transitioned- 2015-2022 pre and 2022-2023 post. When I started presenting as female I quickly learned firsthand that all the bad things I had heard and secondhand experienced here and there about the CS community’s treatment of women (both when people thought I was a cis woman or trans woman) are 100% true and absolutely awful. Like damn, I’ve literally experienced it both ways and now because of how bad it is playing as a woman I’m often tempted to use my guy voice (something I obviously don’t like doing) or just not use the mic. It really has made the game less fun and my condolences to all the other female and visibly queer/trans female people who play
Now, there is actually a simple trick to avoid this issue:
_Don't play counterstrike._
Okay, okay, flippant dismissive comments aside; maybe you really enjoy the game part of the game, and want to keep playing that, that's very valid and not for me to dump on. But turning off voice chat has always worked for me, so +1 to that suggestion!
TL;DR can't read, Stefan Molyneaux can't read, Sargon can't read and Black Pigeon Speaks can't read.
Hmm i'm noticing a pattern ...
Robert Wilfred TL;DR
Robert Wilfred Literally
Yeah, he dislikes opposing political views so he attacks them.
wicked people don't read, and it's also one of the reasons why they are so wicked
It's not that they can't read, they just read whatever they want to
I know this is an old video but i wanted to add, isn't the real reason why there are less women att he competitive level at any game, from Chess to e-sports, because the male-dominated atmosphere of competitive gaming has a misogny problem? from Kasparov's comments towards Ms. Polgar, all the way up to more recent controversies surrounding videogames, such as pro women in games like Hearthstone basically getting mocked and accused of just being a pair of boobs on a camera while a man plays for her, or stuff like how the fighting game community treats women, such as Aris's treament of a woman competitor at Cross Assault.
It definitely is off putting to play a game you absolutely love (kudos to Tekken), but get hated on for being a woman, who not only played fair.
But also had more skill than the average joe.
It's especially distressing when they start up on asking if you are also a prostitute
I think this is very true. While I would want esports teams to be a mix between women and men lets look at the reality of a womans experience in gaming. If a woman is playing an online game all the little gamerboys will be either harrassing her or trying to get into her pants. Either would make someone very uncomfortable and it's obviously very hard getting good at something which makes you uncomfortable or at least gives you the fear you might get uncomfortable at some point. From what I've heard from female Counter-Strike players is that they want their own league and play on a team with only females cause that makes them feel comfortable and lets them be themselves. I've seen a lot of little gamerboys saying that they want their own league and teams cause they can't compete but they have no way of winning these people over. If they play with or against male teams they will simply get harrassed by these gamerboys or become a sex symbol. If they play on their own they'll still be harrassed but at least they have each other at that point. It's the same as why a lot more women are good at knitting compared to men. It's not that women have some sort of inborn ability to be good at knitting, it's just that most men won't even try to get good at it out of fear of being mocked by other men. And even if they get good at it, the mockery doesn't stop. A few will of course push through this but the vast majority will just find something else to spend their time doing.
For Esports an additional reason is Gamer-houses and the culture pre-established. If a woman was to join for example Team Solomid while playing League of Legends. She would have to move into a house with her 4 male teammates, and more than likely her 2 male coaches, and then spend upwards of 12 hours a day with them while playing matches, going over their replays with coaches, and likely meals as well.
It could be awkward, to say the least, and cause issues. I am positive that the team-members and organization would work around it to the best of their abilities. But it would be an uncomfortable environment to join. I know I would feel awkward as a male if I had to move into a gaming house with 6 girls I barely knew, and I don't have to deal with harassment from fans or fear of sexual harassment on the workplace.
If it counts for anything we have gotten a fantastic cross-player in the LoL LCS: Sneaky from C9. The guy managed to trick quite a few streamers. But no cis-females yet and I vaguely remember a trans player looking to enter but getting harassed out of playing on stage. In CS: GO they have a competitive women's league from what I understand that has been doing really well and women have been very effective on teams in general in that game (specifically for staff like when they hire sport psychologists.) The different mindset women often bring seems to do a lot of teams good.
Wait I know this is old but what did Aris do?
Edit: I found out. Really scummy shit.
don't use 'Hearthstone' in one sentence with 'chess' please
Oh god. Imagine being the *gag* "poor man's Sargon of Akkad".
That almost made me pity him.
Almost.
I mean Sargon of Akkad is already the poor man's Sargon of Akkad
@@SpoopySquid Judging by his Patreon, his fans have a concerning amount of disposable income.
I just really like Black Pidgeon being described as "the little fascist bird that hates women".
A higly accurate description 😂
I never thought a discussion of female chess players could be so soothing and engaging
It's almost a trap for some of his videos- you can listen to Shaun's voice to relax and be soothed, but then you'll be jarred out of your pleasant relaxation by the invariably grating voice of whoever he's talking about.
Thom Avella Shaun is certainly one of my unintentional-ASMR favorites, along with simply being a favorite bat face value
@Joanna d'Arc are you fucking high mate
Hao Yifan is currently is currently the only female chess player in the top 100 players globally, she is ranked 88th in the world. The other 99 grandmasters are all men. The deliberate omissions, logical fallacies, mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance it takes to maintain a leftist worldview must be exhausting. Black pigeon speaks was only saying that ON AVERAGE women are less adept at chess than men. Soothing voice aside this guy is only adept at intelecualizing BS and passing it off as truth.
He literally said "No woman would ever win" in the clip that was played. Try harder, mate.
What's also interesting about Hou Yifan's ranking is that she retains it despite not dedicating her life to chess. Wikipedia states, "She enrolled in Peking University in 2012, studying International Relations, against the wishes of her trainer. She took a full course load and participated in many extracurricular activities. She did well enough to be offered a Rhodes Scholarship, and will be studying for a MSc in Education at Oxford University in 2018."
Lol every chess super GM has a life outside chess. Don't try to defend hou yifans poor rank, she simply is not good
@@KARTIKEYA007 simply not true. While Carlsen dabbles in fantasy footbal, someone at his (or close to) his elo does a lot of theoretical work within chess on top of studying countless hours against their opponents. Chess is extremely demanding intellectually on the level of Go and it's the reason not everyone is a super GM on the level of Carlsen, Nakamura, Vachier-Lagrave, etc.
Hou Yifan's current rating is 2658, which is only 200 points lower than Carlsen's current rating. Even though 200 ELO is a sizeable gap among the GM community, saying that, "she's bad" because she's pursuing other intellectual interests had to be one of the shittiest takes I've ever seen on this platform and I've seen many terrible takes.
@@justdakotamusic Oh look, another one of yifan's defenders... Sir I suggest if you don't know anything about other super gm's life then don't comment. Going to college is what every super GM did, some of them are highly qualified.
Aronian holds a diploma, he has a girlfriend and also runs some businesses in Armenia.
Gata kamsky has a degree in chemistry, attended medical school and has also done law.
Many other top players like Anand, kramnik etc are married, have kids and hold degrees.
Also, yifan isn't "just" 200 points away from Carlsen. 200 points is a massive, massive difference and it makes it so that she has an extremely slim chance of winning against Carlsen if they play against each other.
She isn't even married or anything which is the biggest time drainer in a person's life.
@@justdakotamusic Also, what's sad is that she gets all the fame only and strictly only because she is a female. There are many men who are rated around 2650 but I'm sure you don't even know their names. Heck, there are many GMs above 2700 whose names you may have never heard before but everyone knows yifan simple because she was pushed down everyone throats as she is a woman.
@@cloroxbleach2520 well that's what I mean, everyone has a lot of stuff going on in their lives. Hou is just a student lol so she has much less responsibilities and tensions. To even claim that she has other things to focus on while others don't is extremely stupid
I have a reason why female players are not as often in the high leagues as males: You can only get better in chess if you have equally decent enemies. That's why you need chess clubs. And most chess clubs are a overly traditionalist hive of guys who really don't know how to deal with women in their midst. So of course, women are not interested in joining them for the most part.
Also: Chess is not about IQ. It's about exercise.
Millions of women play chess in Russia and ex-Soviet states. You did know that, right?
Maybe the reason there arnt many female players is because people still hold on to the idea men and women and far too different in terms of mentality to be on the same level, topped off with some old sexism?
Davesknd it’s not just about “exercise”. chess draws on working memory for one thing, which is correlated with many measures of fluid intelligence. there is a correlation but chess ability is not a direct proxy for intelligence you are correct about that. and experience ie learning is a big factor.
Women can't compete because they're different. They can't produce the extremes in the numbers males can. Anyone who thinks social conditions are the major factor is a total cretin who hasn't looked at the data. We've been here before with physics, philosophy and maths. Even when women can compete, they choose to do something less nerdy instead. You can make changes around the margin - but freaky women don't exist in the same numbers as men. For some reason this is seen as sexist and that idiotic view is backed by all major western govts. We will waste so much chasing this phantom. Things which people wish to be true are not going to become true.
More freaky women? Equality of freakishness? I note you never call for equality of serial killers, voyeurs, violent individuals and so on.
Utopian fantasies are a danger to the world.
@@damianbylightning6823 did you not watch the video? You're just talking out of your ass like the pigeon guy. And regarding the equality of "freakishness", why are you calling for more freaky women instead of encouraging men to be less freaky? What the fuck are you on about?
If you were gonna take one thing away from this video, at least acknowledge that this issue is much more complicated than just claiming "woman bad, man better". There might be a biological component but it's definitely not the only component.
My grandfather played chess really well, and he taught only my dad and my brother in a family with other 5 women (my aunt, me, and my sisters). I literally remember all the men gathered around a chess table looking interested while my grandmother and my aunts would do the dishes after lunch. Even if you don't account for the fact that women are raised thinking they are dumb and lesser than men, there are also family traditions teaching you what you can and can't be a part of.
"women can never play chess"
*gets beaten at chess by a woman*
@@kenjidev576
Because they're using this as an excuse to exclude a whole group of people from the sport. For example, chess was mostly won by white men in the past, but after the inclusion of international contestants, most chess grandmasters are now from India or China. There were literally no female doctors or biologist a century ago, but now they're making a similar percentage of people working in such careers. You don't know a group's full potential until you open the gate up to them and keep it open. "Asian genius" stereotype, as timeless as it sounds, is actually quite a new concept.
@@kenjidev576 I'm not sure if you're intentionally strawmanning or just didn't understand the video but no-one's saying women are superior to men at chess. We're just saying that all men aren't superior to all women at chess. 'Men aren't better than women' isn't the same as 'women are better than men'
@@iwassayingboourns2349 So, why none women have ever won the World in chess?
Alberto Soares won the world in chess? Lol You are clearly not a native speaker but it doesn’t resolve you of your ignorance regarding history.
@RUclipsInsistInBanningPeople Most colonialism in the world was done by white people, even when Indians & the Chinese are more numerous. Therefore, ALL white people are white supremacists.
Can you see a problem with your logic??
Coming back to this after hearing about FIDE banning trans women from chess is chilling.
Does BPS just read the headlines of these articles and assume the rest of it agrees with him?
Pretty much. He goes full Sargon and Thunderf00t.
I N T E L L E C T U A L P O W E R H O U S E
Opinions are divided...
But yes
Standard tactic of the typical youtube "skeptic" community
@@fulcrum2951 I would like to point out that these individuals misuse the label of "Skeptic". Anyone familiar with the work of Martin Gartner, Carl Sagan, Steven Novella, James Randi, Michael Shermer and so many others considered voices for the scientific skepticism community recognize these people for what they are...they use terms like "skeptic" and "pseudoscience", but they are devoid of content. This is a deliberate move on their part to confuse the issue and make it more difficult to recognize true Skeptics, i.e. people who apply the rules of critical thinking and rational discourse to analyze evidence and fight the natural tendencies of the human mind to committing logical fallacies. The fact that they have you referring to them as "skeptics" shows that their tactic works, no offense, of course.
I wouldn't be surprised if Black Pigeon Speaks still goes up to women on the street and says "boys rule girls drool" like kids do when they are in grade 1
A game where the queen the most useful piece clearly meant for male
truly an opressor
Redem10: Secretly a perfect illustration of patriarchy. The female piece, despite being better than the male piece in every way, is still subservient to him. #smh 😜
In earlier editions it was called the vizier, and terrible sexists actually condemned the change of name from male vizier to female queen. Just like they hounded Zoe Quinn, just like they continue to call it "inserting politics into video games" whenever their own racist, sexist politics is not front and centre in a videogame.
Relevant;
'During the 16th century the queen's move took its modern form as a combination of the move of the rook and the current move of the bishop. Starting from Spain, this new version - called "queen's chess" (scacchi de la donna), or pejoratively "madwoman's chess" (scacchi alla rabiosa) - spread throughout Europe rapidly, partly due to the advent of the printing press and the popularity of new books on chess.[14] The new rules faced a backlash in some quarters, ranging from anxiety over a powerful female warrior figure to frank abuse against women in general' - From Wikipedia, I'm lazy.
'"Tis about ethics in chess literature!"
i wonder if this guy actually talks to any human females
like the things he says about women are so viscerally offensive that I can't imagine any woman wanting to be around him
maybe that's why he resents us so much lel
Honestly if a woman ever managed to spend elongated amounts of time with him they will chew him out so badly he will end up making a RUclips video whining about how wamen need to be controlled, and how letting them run around being firm or aggressive will cause the fall of mankind.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 - I'm pretty sure he already did a video like that. Or at least he did video complaining about women being sexually loose leading to the downfall of the western world.
@@thesacredlobo
Black pigeon: women being loose will be the downfall of western society.
Me checks notes: Western Country birth rates have been the lowest in decades. The promotion of contraceptives and family planning have boosted both Economic Development and Public Health.
@@thesacredlobo "By allowing women to *_FUCK_* freely..."
@@antipsychotic451 if they’re fucking but not fucking him. That’s a big no no
Black pigeon: “women aren’t capable to keep up with men”
My girlfriend: *Wins multiple tournaments against dudes*
Morphing Taxi giggty
Behind every great woman, there is her ability to achieve such greatness.
Oh and sometimes she has a boyfriend.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 lol so that quote existe not only in arabic lol
can you Sub To build the wall wait is it a saying in arabic?
@@m.h2247 yea and its the same خلف كل رجل عظيم امرأة
of note is the recent drama in the fighting game community surrounding female players
the super smash brothers melee scene in its earlier days had some amount of female players of notable skill level (see: milktea, one of the best players at the time she was active), and yet at this point they've all disappeared. it's really not hard to figure why either when 90% of the people at every tournament are men and those men are really not good at dealing with women
a lot of those men have been resisting milktea's efforts to create a safe space for women to get accustomed to playing the game at a higher level (called "smash sisters"), asserting much the same arguments as black pidgeon with somewhat less overt sexism
just an interesting thing to note, that no matter how many times women reach the high level of games men still can't accept that those women are actually good at something
Don't get me started on Tekken. Woo...
I love that game, would never play professionally.
Because misogyny and male supremacy is encoded deep into males and goes unchallenged or is down played constantly. We really have a problem diminishing the ubiquitousness, severity and how mundane and normalized misogyny is. Even little girls around age 6 begin to believe boys are smarter than them in math when the girls actually get the better grades.
@@ZeeJayBay Where?
Yeah, shoutouts to Milktea for the Smash Sisters initiative. It’s hard work to change such a boy’s club culture and make it a better place for everyone.
@@albertosoares7664Late here, but you can look yourself. Lots of studies show girls just perform better in school
It is the very insecure men who goes on about how inferiour and bad women are.
forgive the intrusion professor but it sounds as if you're implying it would be especially galling for men to be worse at something precisely because they're better at that thing
what?
This says edited but somehow makes less sense...
So ima gunna gamble and say i agree Amerika!
It's upsetting how normalised this guy's ideas have become.
Where are you living. I watched alot of right-wing RUclipsrs before this and i can state that with absolut certainty:
The alt-right followers are exactly like the radikal left in their behaviour. They both accuse each other of the same things they are both guilty of.
All the comments here with the most upvotes tens to show real ignorance and arrogance.
Don't worry, extremists like him are just noisy, it always makes a good illusion of being rich in numbers
There is a saying in my language, don't know/remember if there is equivalent in english but it would go like 'the noisiest cows give the least amount of milk'
also: they can't accomplish anything harmful as long as we consistently show their ideas for what they really are - plain bullshit
@Alan Wilson how objective and productive of you. the irony in your comment is too much for me. i should stop talking politics there is noone actually interested in an honest discussion.
@Alan Wilson
The fact that you said that without being sarcastic is greatly troubling.
@@harrystyles7466 Who on the left is arguing that women are the true evil of the world and shouldn't have rights? Since you say both are doing the same thing.
God I had a friend tell me to watch BSP and I did in good faith and four minutes in to a video about trans people being mentally ill he quoted a study, didn't source it, I looked it up, and found that the authors of the study came to basically the opposite conclusion than the one he implied this study supported.
And so the hilarity at 5:10 Just further cements my decision to nope out at that intellectual dishonesty
If women are allowed to chess, harems form
That logic though... top notch ;)
lol. 100%
Its true though, i got girls panties wet simply by playing chess with them
@@cossaizy6309,
No joke, chicks dig a dude who can play chess.
If you have a harem, do you get multiple queens?
A male gran-master would never had to play after beeing demoralized for his gender... A woman would, and they are... And even so they win, againt not only a good player but against a whole aura of hatred againt then.
The reason i think (and with nothing but my opnion) they divide chess tournements by gender is because its unfair to have half of the players been mentaly bashed before the game, I was always a poor chess player, not my thing i guess, but I never have been called out, nor demoralized in any tunement, but any girl, as good as they were, always suffered with some ashole calling them names right before the game.
Shit, I remember a girl playing a final while crying because other player called here a stupid bitch right before the match started, she lost by a single mistake, we all new she was the better player, but only imagine trying to do anything you are good at while been demoralized.
Like, I bet Kasparov would never win a match if all his life was about prooving he could play, not if he could win!
Whoa! I'm so happy somebody realizes that. My entire childhood as a girl has been about showing people I 'could' do math, and the pressure sucks.
in the sport of skateboarding there's a fear of being watched and judged, and for some reason women feel this more so my towns indoor skatepark created a womens night which is stupid but i think women do work better when around other women. maybe i'd feel more awkward if it was a womens sport
Nice, when a woman finally will win the World in chess?
@@albertosoares7664 What you mean by that? That they can't? Fuck you!
@Timmy L Soon? It won't happen for another 100 years
never play chess with a pigeon, it will just poop all over the board and declare victory.
I thought his justification would be that chess is a war simulator and that "women shouldn't be part of wars" but no, he just calls about half of the human population stupid.
Oh no, we can't allow women to 😡😖CHESS😖😡 freely!
Ahahaha
And their fucking who they want!😤
I really hope "play chess with me" becomes the new "debate me on Skype."
I would gladly watch you debunk BPS for the rest of my years
Dates good luck being a minority in your won country when the other groups hate you
I can debunk Shaun's claim biological argument holds no water.
Helder Monteiro Grammar is not your strong suit.
I_am_The_Doctor, not all have the privilege to be a native English speaker.
MCMaterac I was merely noting a fact.
RUclips just recommended me this video and wow... That's one hell of a timing considering the recent ban on trans women from chess
What's the reason for banning trans women from chess?
@@KennethKaniff999 Because chess is run by people like Nigel Short who think men have a biological advantage over women
Nicely layered thumbnail, guys. Arguing with BPS is like playing chess with a real pigeon - no matter how good you are at chess, he'll knock over the pieces, take a shit on the board, and strut around victoriously (while blaming women for the decay of Western civilisation, of course).
This comment needs more attention. It should be pinned at the top.
It works too well
The thirsty ass men on both ends of the political spectrum have caused a majority of our problems.
I usually don't like to watch these types of videos where someone talks about some political/social topic for 20+ minutes but the way you shut down these intellectually dishonest alt-righters/"skeptics" is very satisfying to listen to.
I,Hypocrite lmao are you same guy who runs that dumbass Facebook page?
"Little fascist bird" lol I love it!
love the flag icon.
thanks for all the free propaganda for neocons you dumbasses.
Que?
Yeah thanks, that flag represents some pretty dope ideas :)
I learned how to play chess as a child and by my early teens was competing in local and county competitions. This was back in the early 80s and I met resistance and sexism among my opponents. Quite frequently I'd be the only girl in a sea of boys. I met boys and men who HATED being beaten by a girl much more so than they would if they'd been playing a male. I could never really understand it. Even as late as the 90s I still met this attitude. My Dad taught me and he had a habit of giving a low whistle whenever I made a particularly good move which used to make my Mum laugh. My parents would chat with the other kids' parents when we went to the competitions and Mum told me indignantly of a couple she'd met who said both their son and daughter played, but "naturally" they gave more support to their son. I've always disagreed of having women's only competitions. It should be a free-for-all and girls must get used to playing boys!
the problem is that it is just exhausting proving you are a person over and over again against a sea of criticism. I like women only spaces for practicing and having a chance to breathe a bit before jumping back out into a world where I do not know if my next opponent will be polite or a complete asshole. being emotionally prepared for that sort of nonsense all the time is tiring, and for someone entering a new hobby, without having a passion for it, why stick around? I find women only/non cis men spaces great training grounds and community. I will not isolate myself from the game community at large, but I value being allowed a break from constantly being on the defensive.
When I was a kid I was in the chess club of my school and the majority of members there were girls. My biggest competitor was a girl and she won the tournament more than one time.
But sure, let´s all hear what the animal avatar of the week has to say about how that is impossible and never happened.
Candy Von Bitter *wow!* the majority of the competitors were female, _and then a female won_ ,oh my what are the chances
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+Lu Tze I don´t understand what is your point. The tournaments, except for one, were not sponsored by our school and anyone of any age could enter so our little club was really kinda irrelevant to them. I end up playing against a couple of teenagers even (and I crushed them but meh, that is also irrelevant) and some kids younger than me. In fact, only a bunch of us would participate in the tournaments at all. The rest just liked to do the activities in the books they gave us and play against each other after school.
We also had a professional chess player as our teacher (the type that could play and win four chess plays at the same time) telling us what we did wrong and what we did right so, I assure you, even though not all the members had the ambition to compite they could still play very well.
It was cool.
Oh shit i just I was the chess master in my school. However I was always second until a person called Katherine left the school. I always held that to her being older then me not cause she was a girl. I never beat her I just become he chess master cause she graduated
Congrats
"No woman can sustain a prolonged battle" hahaha had he ever tried dating or arguing with one up to that point
Probably not.
gee dee Haha. The menz might win a battle or skirmish but wiminz will win the war.
gee dee I think Garry regrets that statement nowadays.
He'd have to have a girlfriend for that to happen.
prolonged battle... what like giving birth for 20 + hours? haha
"I like all studies where the researchers mislead their subjects."
Well, perhaps I can interest you in a position at Vault-Tec!
Anon Ymous VAULT-TEC CALLING
There are a lot of interesting studies of such "stereotype threat" situations as were brought up in the study you mentioned.
One study I saw that I'd like to track down again divided Asian women into three groups to complete a math test. As I recall: The control group first did a word problem using neutral words. One of the groups first did a word problem with words associated with Asia, subliminally reminding them that they were Asian, and they did better than the control group. One of the groups first did a word problem with female-associated words...and they did worse than the control group. These types of studies suggest that when we are reminded that we are in a situation where many people would expect us to do well (people think Asians are good at math) we perform better than when we are reminded that we are in a situation where many people would expect us to perform poorly (because people expect women to be bad at math)...on average, anyway. Some people are spurred on by the idea of beating the odd, but it is easy to psych yourself out. It also suggests why having role models who resemble you and messages that counteract the "X people aren't good at Y" narratives can be important.
I found that study showing women performing more poorly against the same opponent when they were told they were men vs. being told they were women fascinating!
Were you not paying attention? The women were always playing only against MEN. They were just TOLD they were playing against women. When they KNEW they were playing against men, they lost more often, when they THOUGHT the MEN they were playing against were women, they won more. If you want to prove how superior men are, try not to be so blatantly ignorant. The information was literally spelled out to you in this very video, and you were unable to register it in your brain.
igor caique Against *the same opponent, not knowing that it was a man sometimes.* Can you frogmen even read?
Ádor Cserőd you're a fucking lunatic
Rez Please that study had tiny populations and nowhere near enough data points to be relied on. All that it showed is what we already know, that women are there own worst enemy, essentially defeating themselves when faced with a “male” opponent
Well, that's interesting, but I don't think that's the whole story. Many studies show that some traits, intelligence included, vary more across men than women. E.g. there is no agreement whether mean intelligence of man is the same as of woman or is there a small disparity, but many researches shown the standard deviation across women is smaller than across men.
The problem is, that people take this statistical arguments and come to individualistic conclusions, and you really can't do that.
There are less women not only in chess, but in overall competitive games because the culture just changed from a patriarchal society a couple decades ago. And specially in things like Chess, or Magic the Gathering for example... or videogames, o rol playing games. Many mans still tend to openly dislike and discourage the participation of women.
So is not that a women cannot become really good at those things, is that circumstances limit the amount of women that end up becoming really good.
But just the fact that a single woman can be really good disproves all the dumb asses biological arguments
Also, if any biological argument is true. Is maybe that the more testosterone you have, more competitive you become.
So maybe a good chunk of women that have the potential to become really good, really don't think is worth it to do so, therefore they just stay in the above average level.
Because let's be real. Becoming good at chess, or a card game, or a competitive videogame. Is a bitch. You basically need to base your life around it.
I used to be really competitive at League of Legends,and Pokémon. So i know that.
A lot of people just don't find it fun.
Leit Sabbath You're very correct about basing your life on a hobby. Women are by default expected to stay at home, child rear, cook/clean. So people can't fathom when a women does none of those things and is practicing her hobbies. Even now a days it's very hard for women to even pick up a hobby (you can do this at any age or sex yet women are still discouraged from doing anything new). I personally believe if we take gender out of everything, women and men can learn how to work together or mixed teams. women will evolve to get better at competition, men will get better at sportsmanship. it's a win-win! but I guess it makes too much sense so it's not gonna happen anytime soon.
@@hehemayb9208 women will get better at competition? Lmao dude competition is where men excel
@@KARTIKEYA007 Get competitive about comprehensive reading, then.
@@ZumbaMarx @Zumba Marx I did read it well, this dude said that women will get better at competition which is completely false. The reason is that women don't "need" to compete so there really is no incentive to be the best. Men only gain any respect from other men or love from females when they are great at something and are successful. Women are already valued without needing to burn millions of hours into a skill.
How does this have so many dislikes? He's debunking a neo-nazi for cryin' out loud!
EDIT: Now it's recommending Black Pigeon Speaks videos! What is the Hbomb censorship addon good for?
BPS is a neo-nazi?
Anyone who disagrees with SJW's is a neo-nazi?
*EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A NAZI*
Can you even define a Nazi?
^ People who casually ignore what human garbage BPS is.
Then provide some evidence pls. I have seen some people using "((()))" in his comments, which doesn't make it seem unlikely, but I would still like to see your reason for believing that.
Lots of woman haters in comment section.
And I thought misogyny was a thing of the past.. yeah right!
it'll get better when we have a free society
@@taliakellegg5978 Males and females already are free to keep proving they are not equal.
@@albertosoares7664 nononono men and women are equal in intelligence but nobody is stupid enough to claim that men and women all look exactly the same
@RUclipsInsistInBanningPeople Are you twelve? Did you even watch the video?
@RUclipsInsistInBanningPeople watch the video.
MY BODY IS READY FOR SHAUN TO TELL ME HOW TO DEFEAT THE PATRIARCHY WITH CHESS
Throw pawns at them. Proven effective.
LordAlucardsbride wait for a seemingly rare anomalies and work from there
Why do you need a male to tell you to defeat the Patriarchy? Smh
Shaun's just the exposition guy, it is we who will physically smash the patriachy. Ideally with novelty oversized chess pieces.
i stopped reading after MY BODY IS READY FOR SHAUN (period) and just nodded in agreement
The forums of chess.com are very misogynist. Many of the same users develop reputations for harrassment of female opponents. It's offputting to see from people who are supposed to appreciate pure logic.
Until I realized, it's strategic. These men are trying to maintain chess as a place for men. So they do everything they can to make entry points to the sport disinviting. I agree with Polgar that women's leagues harm women at the top, but I can immediately tell that non-chess factors would discourage women at lower levels. I attribute it to what I've seen termed elsewhere as "adorkable misogyny", and chess.com shows that it should not be seen as non-threatening.
Nobody there knows that I'm a female. They think I'm a cat.
I agree. People said the same thing about women's colleges back in the day. They are known as being generally less selective and less competitive colleges. So women prefer co-ed schools since they are seen as more relevant. But, as we now know, those schools can come with their own risks and bad experiences that women also have to prepare for. There are pros and cons to each choice. You can be comfortable among other women, or be more competitive among the men. It's unfortunate that those are the only options. A lot of activities and fields are like this.
i don't see how chess relates to math or logic
@@taliakellegg5978 it doesn't, that's a myth, it's actually a competition of grip strength and reaction speed.
@@jdavi6241 true it would be unfair to women as they aren't as fast as men.
BPS should look into changing his name to BPDS - Black Pigeon Double Speaks on account of how contradictory most of his statements are . For eg. he believes that in order to consider women as equals it means that women have to prove that they regularly and easily defeat any and all men in every aspect of human life , not realizing that such a statement is massively contradictory. If women regularly and consistently proved that they were better abled, more competent and more intelligent than just the majority of men then that wouldn't make them equal to men it would actually make them far superior to men. In any case those who make up the insanely talented , intelligent or athletic among us only constitute a small fraction of any overall population . Most people are roughly average but apparently for women average doesn't mean 'just as good' but rather it shows how inferior they are to men. The fact that someone would claim that in order to be taken seriously most women have to perform way above average is the very epitome of misogyny and possessing a discriminatory mindset. It stating that the best of women only amounts to the lowest or most average of men.
Riko1980 - women don't have to prove anything. Few great female chess players don't disprove the scientifically backed up observation that variation in various traits (including intelligence) is greater across males than females.
MCMaterac I mean that's pretty ambiguous to say men are different from women. I would ask for those "scientificly backed observations". But I don't know if you agree with black pigeon or not. So I have no idea to which extent you're talking about.
I think that's a good article: socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2017/06/why-are-there-so-few-women-in-sciences.html referencing several studies.
For genetic explanation, You may check Shinobi Yaka's video "SexEd for SJWs' - Part 1 Sex Determination" (You may skip to 7:10).
MCMaterac IQ is a flawed test of intelligence and one cannot weigh the overall intelligence of groups upon it www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html%3famp
One can even train to do better on IQ tests specifically, one's intelligence isn't improved, only one's IQ result
MCMaterac So do you agree with BPS that women, like he said, "have" to be seperate from men in chess?
“being accosted at a news conference by a remote control dildo helicopter’ wow who knew that chess was so exciting
The skeptic community is actually a demagogue community. They believe in mob rule. They keep their hand on the pulse of the mob & say whatever they think the mob wants to hear.
Status quo warriors are phobophiles.
+Sven Tempest I think BPS probably actually believes what he's saying, but SQWs like The Amazing Atheist are the mob's bitch, & in TJ's case it's just a struggle to stay relevant, a struggle he's losing if you consult his page on social blade, which reveals the "beautiful destruction of TJ Kirk" with the present mass exodus of subscribers from his channel. Get it, exodus? A Bible reference about an atheist lol
First the problem with the skeptic community is that there is no real group/ community in place. The thing you could call skeptic commuity was the atheist agnostic etc community in the past but then broke even further apart when this femenist sjw thing started. Yes many of the "anti " feminist croud are those old skeptics but not all and a lot of people came in this new group for example a lot of conservatives. Now you have a extremly mixed group hard core christian making similiar videos then atheists and doing them together. The only thing that all of those people have in common is that they dont like sjw the hardcore feminists and stuff and thats it, not even the reasons why they dislike them are the same.
And second to the demagogue community, every community of ideas is exactly this. Your community too look at the comments for example. People who watch "both sides", which is not true at all there are not just to sites, are very rare. most of the time i am the only one i can find saying negativ things underneath a video.
Dont make the mistake thinking your gruop here is different like we are doing it correct. I have still to find the group which does.
And third dont do generalization. It is not: they are sying what the crowd wants to hear, some maybe but some of the "other side" do too. But most just say what they believe and people like what they say and listen. i would say the crowd does not have influece of what the person says but more or less dictates what the person is speaking about, the topic.
+DudeWizard You honestly believe the anti-Anita videos (made by atheist & other non-gamer channels) were all made with genuine passion for the subject? Because that's where it started.
Anti-Anita videos became its own sub-genre on RUclips after feminist frequency merely announced that she would be making videos on video games. Gamers are the largest community on RUclips, because every gamer has an online presence, which means that even the most mediocre non-entity gamer channel will garner at least 1M subs. Not all gamers are misogynists, but the misogynists amongst them are substantial in number, because gamers are such a large demographic. Pandering to them, after members of the atheist community saw how easy it was to achieve continued success by doing so, also attracted your average garden variety misogynist to their channels, which mostly turned out to be right-wingers, unsurprisingly.
Meanwhile, another phenomenon was developing: commenters started making audio versions of their comments, calling these: "videos". Another demographic that exists is the existential crisis community of shut-ins (who also comprise, & found appeal with gamers of the more hateful variety) who get their jollies from searching for videos they disagree with & spamming the comments section & ratings. These serial commenters started making RUclips channels, where they made audio versions of what they had been doing for years previous, which all the other serial commenters subscribed to. This appealed to them a lot more because their attacks were more concentrated & devastating, because of sheer numbers being on their side, & also because their RUclips channels grew, which alleviated their existential crisis quite a bit.
The right-wing conspiracy nut jobs are riding the wave of success the others I mentioned "created".
All these comprise the "skeptic" community, as they are never skeptical of one another (often actually endorsing one another), despite their supposed differences (they apparently put their differences aside for their shared obsession with the same scapegoats & buzzwords). If they ever upload a video that the mob doesn't collectively agree with, like Racism is Unstoppable's anti-Trump views, or Sargon's & TJ's pro-Bernie views, or Blunderfart's anti-Brexit views, then the creators will feel the backlash from their troglodyte audiences & in response go right back to pandering to the scum of the internet (seriously, who is more deserving of the epithet?).
The demagogues' exploitation of mob rule I believe to be the greatest threat to freedom of speech on RUclips.
@Knight Chime okok lets start ^^
1)Ok lets start with the anita part: First i myself am not a big fan of anita she makes to many assumptions about possibilitys and ignores the alot of contradictions about her own arguments. What i mean is that she does a shitty job. Another part about her was her rly small sample group. But ok enough about that. You are right a lot of people made videos about her work. But i would say exactly there is the point a made. they make videos about the topic anita because people want to hear what those people think about it. They said what they thought about a topic the audience demanded. The "mob" wanted a topic and people made videos about it. That so many are negativ about it is mostly not because people wanted to hear bad things about her, i would say that would get the amount of pro anita videos down but not the anti anita videos up, anita just made a lot of mistakes in her work which meant alot of negativ works back and like you said before a large amount of people on youtube are gamer, which makes alot of youtube content creators gamer too which then leads to negativ videos about her too, if all this negativity is earned or not is not important... ok i think you got my point there.
2) On to the next part: i dont get what you mean with that second part of yours. Do you mean the consequences of getting many bad comments ??? I just dont understand what you mean with that part sorry would be nice if you would explain that in a reply.
3) ok now the last part: they are skeptical about eachother and again my assumption/ theory, i would not call it more than this rigfht now to be fair, applys again. They dont seem to skeptical about each other, thats because they make videos about the same thing the same topic. the topic demanded by the fans or how you call them mob. It is the topic thats get choosen by the viewers not the opinion o atleast not as dirct as you say. and again you said most some maybe but i dont think alot of the skeptic community. you even proved this inderectly with the part of the backlash about differnt opinions. they have differentideas and they are not pandering with there beliefs but with the topics they speak about. and of course if all of them make anti anita videos left right center or whatever ocourse they dont disagree with each other. they have the same view about this topic. go back a few years whan it was about religion, you would not make the same arguments back then.
In the end you have a rly bad attitide about the skeptic community. That makes you say things like all of them, scum of the internet, the mob. are you sure those are all correct. The feminist community if you know what i mean does the same like the anti feminist community videos abiout the same topic just with differnet ideas. and there are some of the old atheist commuitiy which is today the skeptic comminity on both sides. it is not as easy as they are bad they are evil or just doing it for money i would even say thats completly wrong. i hope i could answer your points with my english and understanding of them. and dont forget to explain what you mean in your secoind part ok
I can't believe Shaun is exploiting his Patreon supporters by making a video about chess.
irwegwert /s?
Let's hope Sargon doesn't say anything stupid about u-boats or we're DOOMED.
Definitely /s. Irwegwert is cool, even if their name is hard to spell.
Something wrong with chess?
Fuck, 2 minutes in and i'm already laughing at Black Pigeon Speaks.
I'm sorry, but i can't take him seriously enough to warrant a 15 minutes response video.
Thank you for existing, Shaun and Jen, and doing that for me and much others.
Gabriel your're a fucking lunatic
I had more laugh at Shaun in this one: conflating 1:50-1:56 with 3:10-3:16 and making a claim @10:14 - 10:29. I don't know if he hasn't heard about larger variation in intelligence (and few other traits) across men than women (that is strongly backed up by both statistical data and basic genetics) or he just loves picturing himself as superior to his adversaries.
MCMaterac You drink your own pee. This is strongly backed up by statistical data and by genetics.
@Chewy Thomson
You eat poo. It's strongly backed up by "yo mama told me". Happy? If You think women and men have the same intelligence distribution or that the difference is only due to nurture or that it has no effect on chess performance, check some research papers and think how much water does the Shaun's argument really hold.
The entire video I was waiting for you to mention Karolina Styczyńska! Sadly, you didn't but that's okay. She's not a chess player, technically, but she became the first non-Japanese shogi (often called "Japanese chess", but also considered to be more complex than chess) player who was granted a professional status, just last year.
She's also very nice irl and a friend of a friend, but that's beside the point, more people should know about her.
When I watched that video (cause I'm a closet masochist apparently) I literally shouted Polgár's name at the screen (followed by some colorful Hungarian cussing).
I hate when people throw such terms around lightly, but BPS is an actual all-out sexist and misogynist. Most of the RUclips anti-feminsts who are accused of such things are really just have reactionary attitudes and enjoy acting like inconsiderate dicks on purpose, but BPS is the real deal, a literal woman hater. It is clear from the way he talks about certain things and the language he uses, that he barely can hold back his hate.
I like Jen's artworks.
Despite the guy being completely disgusting, there’s something refreshing about a guy who loathes women being straightforwardly hateful instead of hiding behind the common euphemisms and smokescreens. I feel that if someone had asked black pigeon his feelings on gamergate a few years ago, he would have been up front and said, “NO WOMZ IN GAMEZ!!!”
pretty shocking how much of an impact stereotype placeboing has.
just thinking you may be disadvantaged, reduces your performance by 50 %
shocking
Reduces win rate against opponents of equivalent skill by 50%. This is clearly significant but I don't think it's a very good definition of performance.
Being 0.1 seconds slower at a sprint could be the difference between winning and losing but it would be absurd to say they performed half as well.
A female player could overcome this bias by being just a bit better than the male.
seeing actual physical sugar pills do placebo quite a number of applicants of drug trials, and their what the heck?! efects are of the kind that can be measured directly, it would be quite a puzzle, if there were no such similar psychological effects.
@@bloodypommelstudios7144 But they were people of similar ability as the study stated.
Chess is all about prediction an computation, most chess masters think several moves ahead. Women have proven that they have the skills necessary, historically they have been used as actual computers back in the day where that was a vocation and not a term for a machine.
Women can clearly play chess.
I hope people who use the biological argument to justify their bigoted views don't also use evolution to justify them too.
To say "women are X because evolution so you can't question me" are forgetting that evolution is powered by the engine of change. In a world with evolution, even if it was true women where inferior, thanks to evolution that's not a guarantee it will be like that forever.
Nice. What woman has won
a World's Chess?
@@albertosoares7664 you're not winning any coherence awards
@@justintime995 why don't you answer his question?
Chess isn't actually about prediction, it shows what you bozos know about chess
@@KARTIKEYA007 why are men like you so bitter?
as a girl I can confirm that I never got into chess when all my (male) friends did because it felt like a "boy thing"
@@arunkeshavadas7171 It’s not a narrative, dumbass. She was being discouraged from participating because of her gender, that happens all the time. Also, she said she never got into chess so how would you know if she was incompetent?
@RUclipsInsistInBanningPeople Sadly, many boys do not. You, for example.
@@arunkeshavadas7171 Except she didn’t quit, she just never got into it in the first place because she assumed it was a male hobby. There’s still time for her to learn but it’s not the same as playing video games all the time and then stopping because of abuse from twelve year olds in a voice chat (which you could literally turn off easily).
@RUclipsInsistInBanningPeople Probably because more men get involved in chess than women, precisely because it is perceived as a male hobby. Are you good at chess? I highly doubt it, in fact you’re probably so shit that you try to make yourself feel better by making stupid comments like that.
@RUclipsInsistInBanningPeople Everybody is interested in shopping, otherwise how would they get what they need? And I can already tell you’re not good at chess because you feel the need to brag about it online like a dumbass.
Your voice is so soothing to listen to
This video is strangley ASMRie; especially the early chess definition :)
Came here to say this! Even as a British dude myself who might be used to the accent. It's very soothing!
It's okay as long as you don't listen to the words.
Design by Adrian stfu
It's nice to put on and take a nap to.
I’m crying at the way he pronounced Minnetonka, why did he put a six mile gap between the syllables
Minnetonka comes from the local native language, so my guess is that the language has different syllable stress rules. For example, a local town near where I live is called sisseton, also from the local native American language. English speakers normally pronounce it siss-uh-tun, whereas its "more accurate" to say siss-ay-ton, if that makes sense (I'm not in any way an expert on this so I'm sure there's a better way to put it, but whatever). It's also worth noting that even the native Americans around here dont refer to it that way, its just correct in the purely technical sense.
So what I'm saying is that while I'm not 100% positive its the same case with minnetonka, maybe he is saying it correctly, just not in the context of an English speaker or even the locals. Not to trip over myself defending black pigeon speaks or anything, but its a fun little thing I noticed
@@fritzophrenia3146 I live right next to the town and he did pronounce it pretty strangely, nobody i know pronounces it other than with four syllables as “min” as in mini, e as in the start of especially and tonka as one would expect. all pressed together. its a minor point as he does not live here and could not know. like the “star tribune” is the paper the article at the beginning is pronounced here as a single word with the emphasis on the “une”
As a Hungarian woman, thanks for mentioning the Polgár sisters!
"Don't try to play chess with a pigeon. They'd just shit on the board and then strut around like they won."
HOW TO GET A WOMAN EPIC CHAD STYLE 👌👌😡💪💪💪👱👱😎😎😎
- respect her
- treat them as an actual her
- believe in them and support her
- have a good old time with each other like going on picnics or walks :D
Women's World Chess
ThirteenFourteen OH NO-
Hell yeah
"I was watching Black Pigeonon Speaks..."
You're never going to get those brain cells back.
"While you were playing checkers, I was playing chess"
Pest control needs to get rid of that damn pigeon.
We were so close
When I first started playing chess, I beat my then-boyfriend on our 3rd game, and he was kinda huge douche about it, idk, he just made it a way bigger deal than it was. I could tell he was a lot more hurt by it than he was letting on, and I just didn’t like the idea of beating him more and more, and having him hold onto that. He was the only person in my life who wanted to play chess/had the free time to to meet up and play, and so I ended up not getting into the game anymore, because my only opponent was being so weird about losing. Maybe I’ll get back into it, after seeing this video & growing older & wiser a couple years later. Thanks, Shaun!
He must of been absolute shit at the game if someone beat him on their third ever match 🤣
I appreciate this video so much. Chess was my most prominent experience with sexism and gender stereotyping growing up. I was first chair for my chess team every year in school except one. That one year I was literally barred from being on the team by the female cheerleading coach who was teaching the "gifted" class that the chess team was picked from. I played every guy in my class and beat them, then she made me play every guy from the other classes and I beat them too (none of the guys in my class had to do this). Even after beating every single person I played she still didn't let me go to the tournament. Even exceeding the moving goal post wasn't good enough for her.
Jesus, the likes on that video, that is a seriously unhealthy obsession with hating women
There was a LOT more in the video than just the chess story.
The chess story is fucking bad enough, I hope he was better informed on the other shit he was talking about but I doubt it, his whole premise was on women being unable to manage at top level chess because of feminine weakness, which as we all know, is bullshit
My hypothesis for the women bashing is this; they got rejected by a girl at a young age and were unable to find another and now have an inferiority complex so they have to resort to bashing women on the internet to make themselves feel better.
"AHA you are concerned about one thing which means there's no way you're concerned about another thing, logic wins again!" John... are you ok buddy? You seemed to have commented on a lot of the top comments on this video bringing up Islam out of nowhere. I'll have you know that I have 3 Muslim friends and only 2 have tried to kill me because I'm gay.
OH MY GAHHDD
-Mike Stoklasa
I hear a lot among the right wing claiming that “””SJWs””” are misrepresenting their arguments as sexist and that portrayals of them in feminist media are exaggerated/straw men/unrealistic/etc. Yet this guy literally sounds exactly like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.
Goddammit, do we need to tell Black Pigeon Speaks about female grandmasters?
I'm sure if you did you'd hear "cultural Marxism" or "liberal indoctrination" screamed back at you before you could even tell him what "castling" was
Hou Yifan and the Polgar sisters are admired by chess fans all over the world! But look at the FIDE top 100 and explain why the evidence does not show what it shows, but is in fact evidence of something else e.g wickedness, bias, oppression.
Occam's Razor, anyone?
How many females are in the top 100?
+tjfreckles1995
Depends largely on what criteria you're using and how you define "top 100". If you're using the FIDE rankings, well they have a separate system for men and women so a top 100 list doesn't really exist.
He'll just say that it is just a cultural Marxist conspiracy theory.
7:50 "Being accosted by a remote controlled dildo helicopter" I pooed myself
Did you just call black pigeon a poor mans sargon if akaad? Lol OMG i am dying!
New discourse just dropped : Can trans women chess ?
yeah probs
Holy hell !!
Well they are men so probably better than the average women.
As a woman who played many tournaments in the "female" side, where the male champios would never want to play the women, I enjoyed tremendously your video. It was clear to me that it was a sexisim issue and not a sport strategy, or even enjoyment of the game.
What I find so strange about people saying that "men are just genetically predisposed to be better at chess" is that actual chess pros say (well, nowadays anywyays) that there isn't much of a difference. And when these pros say this (like, u know, Magnus Carlsson has done) people are calling him out on "adhering to the woke mob as to not get cancelled".
Obviously this is a thing that occurs in most competitive games. But at the very least it seems to be changing with, say Valorant in that regard. Which is nice, even tho I prefer the gameplay of CS:GO. It's just a shame I find myself wishing that the community was less of an acidic, toxic substance of depressed and angry people
You Watch anime HHAHAHAHH 💀💀💀💀 go touch grass lil man
@@JwismaAjsmaka brother, its 2024. Everyone watches anime. Get out of your peaked-at-high-school mindset.
"Can Women Chess? Ft. Black Pigeon Speaks"
/sighs
/stares blankly at the screen for a while
/"it's a S&J video, I can't just skip it"
/"but that title tho"
/'Can Women ________ ft Black Pigeon Speaks'
/pre-emptively does a bunch of meth and waits for the inevitable soul-crushing crash
Alright...my frame of mind is ready. Let's do this.
That study is super interesting. I can draw a tangent directly to online gaming and my own experiences. There've been times when I matched with someone that was of a far higher rank than I was, and I couldn't perform as well as I normaly would due to the physological factor.
This must be the same thing basically. Women in this study know that they ''should'' perform worse against a man and by extention they do exactly that.
Cultural conditioning is so much stronger than people think. Many things we take for granted or deem natural could be completely proven wrong in a different context.
Shaun I just want to thank you for turning my alt right racist/sexist dumbass into a normal human being before it was too late.
This is why the queen is the strongest piece, to make sure as many Incels as possible stay away from the great game of chess.
The whole game is spent protecting a defenceless little dude. If your king tries to measure up to your queen, you get checkmated.
Wow, dislikes already.
Joke's on them, it all counts as "activity" that boosts S+J's RUclips profile in the "raw data" for them to "analyse", plus it boosts the sub count!
Shh
To be fair, so does watching the original video to check.
I thought there'd be more subscribers to this channel, along the lines of Sargon or BPS, even the small rebel media up in Canada has completely eclipsed this channel? C'mon guys, subscribe!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is still such small little insignificant potatoes! I'll ask a bunch of people to watch and hopefully subscribe. What I don't get is how someone like Sargon can have like 3 channels all with more, and how is it that all of the above mentioned channels all have pretty much the same content I think, but there are so many subscribers, you'd think just one would do? Is it content related? Or presentation related. At any rate, you should look into this Shaun and Jen, maybe you can model after them for more success, you know, subscriber wise?
IsotopeIvan Tarasov
The amount of subscribers is not indicative of the quality of a channel.
And majority of people are stupid. Look Islam has over a billion followers!! According to your logic Islam is the truth, so many idiots follow that ideology!!