As I’m trying to get things ready for this weekend camping trip I tried to lift my pop up camper and it was so hard to lift it wouldn’t turn, after looking around and taking off the bottom plate to look at the thrust bearing I noticed I can see the bearing balls and no grease in it. We just bought the pop up😢I have the 6311 system so I just ordered the thrust bearing from you😀 I did spay lubricant in the bearing to get the pop up to work again till the new bearing comes in so our weekend not ruined. Thank you so much for your video. Please keep making videos.
@@popupcamperpro really fast shipping thank you!! I put in the thrust bearing and the hardest part was punching the pins out and back in the whiffletree. I can’t believe how easy it is to lift now. I just bought the pop up used and this is my first pop up. I couldn’t have done it without your videos so thank you!!
I have a 1995 Coleman destiny Stony Creek. I have replaced the cables as one busted in a storm. It's always been extremely hard to lift so I figured I would take a look at the gears in the box. Come to find out the box is upside down. There's no telling what else is wrong. I'm trying to take it apart so I can look at everything and I can't get the pin that attaches the whiffletree to the crank out. I've spent about 3 hours in the dark. Is there an easy way of getting this thing out? Thank you so much for all of your helpful videos!
Thank you for your time and the video, was wondering if you knew what type of lift system is used on my 2016 Starcraft RT 10 pop-up trailer.......one corner won’t come down all the way (comes to rest about 1-1.5” from being all the way down).......the metal cable is slack.......and if you know what might cause that, I would very much appreciate it.......thank you again.......
So sorry Richard, but I am not familiar enough with StarCraft's at this time to answer your question. Perhaps someone else in the community can assist with this question?
I have a 1991 Coleman Roanoke it raises about 8 inches. I’m sure this has been answered but what do I do to fix this system? The one I have appears to have cables. It gets really hard to crank after about 8 inches of lift. Any help would be greatly appreciated on parts or how to fix. Thank you in advance for the reply!
Thank you for the video - - - I have a 2001 coleman pop up camper. While cranking the roof down I heard a loud "crack" and the roof crashed down all at once. The crank doesn't lift or lower the roof at all now. There is no resistance at all when I crank it. Any help on this situation?
So with that copper spacer you can still line up the 2 holes for the thrust bearing and whiffletree rod?. If so then why doesn't it come with the 3000 crank assembly. Now have to wait another week to get that when an all new one should work without it, therefore putting more stress on me and the wife to get this done in a week.
I love the videos! My dad and I are repairing our camper. It is 1998 Coleman Fleetwood bayside waist level crank. Our issue is a slack chain when lowering. The thrust nut and bearing and whiffle has too much play causing the slack. The thrust nut and bearing look good but I cannot figure out what is missing to hold them in place in the case. Could you explain?
Brad, I would recommend adding some tension to the chain first. You may need to remove a link, or add a half link. The chain should be just about as tight as a bicycle chain is. The lower drive assembly should not have that much play in it. I would also recommend taking a look at the front couple of bushing that the whiffle tree rides in.
@@popupcamperpro Thank you for responding! I was thinking about tightening the chain but then the thrust nut would rub on the upper portion of the hole opening in the frame. How is it suppose to stay centered?
@@popupcamperpro I found the issue! the retainer around the thrust nut and bearing was placed on upside down. This caused the thrust nut to be able to slide upwards around 1/2" leaving slack in the chain and binding / skipping when lowering.!
My sister in law has a Fleetwood E1 2007 and there is no problem vinding it up buy it is very stiff lowering it down, do you have any idea what could be the cause of that?
Hi. My Coleman is called a cedar model. Do you know what type of bearing it uses? It is very hard to crank to lift it up. I bought the camper used and I don’t know if the lift system has ever been maintenanced either. Does replacing the bearing fix crank issues or is it a combination of new bearing plus maintenance?
I have the second thrust bearing. We trying to connect the new kit, the coupler is about a half inch short to the threaded rod of the whiffle tree. Is there a easy solution to pull the rod back to align the hole for the shear pin?
Hello again Cheri! You may have missed my previous reply. You can use a come along or table vise to pull the tree back slightly. Loosening the cables can do it as well.
1991 Coleman Chesapeake #2593 our shaft where the crank handle goes is solid and has a pin sticking out on both sides to attach the crank handle. We have the chain driven system and it make a loud popping noise when being raised what can this be? How do we repair?
Lisa, I would begin with an inspection of the chain and the gears. The chain should be in good flexible condition, and the gears not worn. The tighten of the chain is similar to what you would find on a bicycle. A failing thrust bearing can also cause issues like this. The chain may be takin more force than it is designed to handle. I hope this is helpful!
We have a 1996 Coleman Fleetwood Sun valley camper. We are trying to replace the thrust bearing because of the hammering sound and how hard it is to crank. We've taken the back off and grinded off the crank assembly, but we cannot seem to take the crank assembly apart. Is there a way to do this to replace just the thrust bearing or do we just need to replace the whole crank assembly?
From my research on your site, the replacement would be the 6601 crank. And since we have 24 teeth on our gear and the replacement is 22 teeth, does that mean we would have to replace the chain too? So thankful for your site and videos!! They are all so helpful!!
Sorry, more questions :) is the thrust bearing in the crank assembly, so replacing the crank assembly could fix our problem? And would we also need to replace the lower gear the chain attaches to?
Your thrust bearing is just before the whiffle tree. See page 7 of your parts book free on my site. Remove the chain, then unpin the tree to service the bearing. Find the written instructions under INSTRUCTIONS and CONVENTIONAL LIFT SYSTEM REPAIR MANUAL on colemanpopupparts.com as well. You’ve got this Rachelle!
2007 E3 If the pawl will not align with the cog could it possibly be a worn out thrust bearing? I could see very thin pieces of metal about the size of a thin wire, trying to come out on the backside of the hole where the whiffletree is inserted. I wish I could post a pic here.
That’s definitely an issue, but likely not the entire issue. For the paw to be out of alignment with the gear, typically the drive hub tube is not completely compressed.
acforhim1 I would remove the crank, and first check / replace the thrust bearing. Inspect the threads in the drive tube, and drive shaft next. If damage exist, replace those components or the complete assembly.
@@popupcamperpro Hi I have 86 Laramine my frint lift cable broke we replaced it but now the front sits about and inch lower that the back . (Roof) so now we are thinking we should replace all 4 cables but I cant find and where what the actual length should be for the cables . If u could help that would be great . Thanks Krista
It's for compression clutch release systems LK B. They have a clutch pad inside of them that needs to stay dry. If this is your system and you have greased it, you will want to remove as much as possible from the clutch pad. Spray brake cleaner works well.
@@popupcamperpro thank you for responding! I have the coleman fleetwood Sunridge model, which has the chain drive, not the direct. still should spray with brake cleaner?
Thank you so much for another helpful video! I have a 1998 Coleman Taos popup that I love, but it does take both hands and a lot of muscle to raise the roof. I greased the whiffletree a year ago (pretty sure it had not been done since the factory), but it did not make it much easier. Would my next try be to replace the thrust bearing? And do you have a video showing that process? Very thankful for your help.
Hello Jo! More how to video are always in the works. I think you are on the correct patch for your hard to raise issue with a thrust bearing replacement. You can always find more instructions at our webstore for this repair as well. Here's the lift system repair manual. cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0273/4347/files/DOC011818.pdf?14982018414419181682
@@popupcamperpro Well the repair manual does have detailed diagrams, but it doesn't tell me the process. Can you tell me if I have to remove the whiffletree cover (guide channel), or can I just go in from the outside by the bumper? Removing that whiffletree cover was the hardest thing I've ever done!
@@jolynn8675 i have the exact issue w/my '97 Taos. Greasing the WF didnt make it easier but it DID make it harder. Did you get yours to raise easier if so what did you do? Were there any vids that were helpful? That cover was a B**ch!! Holy moly. And the crank assembly cover...I removed the bolts but can't get it to back off towards the bumper. Were you able to remove yours If so, how? I think this is my current issue as it feels like it's not engaging and i need to "put it back in.." but as I said, I cant get that black box cover off to see what's going on in there. Any help is GREATLY appreciated.
I have an '02 Fleetwood. The roof lowers fine, but when raising, it's hard to crank, and I get a constant "banging" sound every time I crank the handle. Is my prob the thrust bearing? I doubt this popup has ever been maintained. Also, I'm assuming my year puts me in the middle bearing category.
The thrust bearing is the proper place to start for this issue. Sometimes the “hammering” can come from a worn chain as well. What is the model name of your camper please?
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As I’m trying to get things ready for this weekend camping trip I tried to lift my pop up camper and it was so hard to lift it wouldn’t turn, after looking around and taking off the bottom plate to look at the thrust bearing I noticed I can see the bearing balls and no grease in it. We just bought the pop up😢I have the 6311 system so I just ordered the thrust bearing from you😀 I did spay lubricant in the bearing to get the pop up to work again till the new bearing comes in so our weekend not ruined. Thank you so much for your video. Please keep making videos.
Glad to help! Have a great camping trip. Your new bearing should be waiting for you when you get home.
@@popupcamperpro really fast shipping thank you!! I put in the thrust bearing and the hardest part was punching the pins out and back in the whiffletree. I can’t believe how easy it is to lift now. I just bought the pop up used and this is my first pop up. I couldn’t have done it without your videos so thank you!!
Pretty sure same thing just happened to my 96!sun valley. Do you have to take wiffle tree off to change bearing?
@@sllashbr yes I had to
I have a 1992 destiny royale and it wont crank up more then 8 inches. And is very tight. I dont want to break the cables what might it be?
I have a 1995 Coleman destiny Stony Creek. I have replaced the cables as one busted in a storm. It's always been extremely hard to lift so I figured I would take a look at the gears in the box. Come to find out the box is upside down. There's no telling what else is wrong. I'm trying to take it apart so I can look at everything and I can't get the pin that attaches the whiffletree to the crank out. I've spent about 3 hours in the dark. Is there an easy way of getting this thing out? Thank you so much for all of your helpful videos!
Try heating the coupler to help free the pin.
Thank you for your time and the video, was wondering if you knew what type of lift system is used on my 2016 Starcraft RT 10 pop-up trailer.......one corner won’t come down all the way (comes to rest about 1-1.5” from being all the way down).......the metal cable is slack.......and if you know what might cause that, I would very much appreciate it.......thank you again.......
So sorry Richard, but I am not familiar enough with StarCraft's at this time to answer your question. Perhaps someone else in the community can assist with this question?
I have a 1991 Coleman Roanoke it raises about 8 inches. I’m sure this has been answered but what do I do to fix this system? The one I have appears to have cables. It gets really hard to crank after about 8 inches of lift. Any help would be greatly appreciated on parts or how to fix. Thank you in advance for the reply!
I would recommend starting with lift system maintenance. We do have a how to video covering this.
Does the pin that goes through the wifle tree come out either way or is it 1 way?
Most commonly either way.
Thank you for the video - - - I have a 2001 coleman pop up camper. While cranking the roof down I heard a loud "crack" and the roof crashed down all at once. The crank doesn't lift or lower the roof at all now. There is no resistance at all when I crank it. Any help on this situation?
Start with an inspection of the whiffle tree. I think this is where you will find the source of the failure.
So with that copper spacer you can still line up the 2 holes for the thrust bearing and whiffletree rod?. If so then why doesn't it come with the 3000 crank assembly. Now have to wait another week to get that when an all new one should work without it, therefore putting more stress on me and the wife to get this done in a week.
Hmmm, let’s confirm your installing the correct assembly. Please give us a call at the office for assistance
I love the videos! My dad and I are repairing our camper. It is 1998 Coleman Fleetwood bayside waist level crank. Our issue is a slack chain when lowering. The thrust nut and bearing and whiffle has too much play causing the slack. The thrust nut and bearing look good but I cannot figure out what is missing to hold them in place in the case. Could you explain?
Brad, I would recommend adding some tension to the chain first. You may need to remove a link, or add a half link. The chain should be just about as tight as a bicycle chain is. The lower drive assembly should not have that much play in it. I would also recommend taking a look at the front couple of bushing that the whiffle tree rides in.
@@popupcamperpro Thank you for responding! I was thinking about tightening the chain but then the thrust nut would rub on the upper portion of the hole opening in the frame. How is it suppose to stay centered?
@@popupcamperpro I found the issue! the retainer around the thrust nut and bearing was placed on upside down. This caused the thrust nut to be able to slide upwards around 1/2" leaving slack in the chain and binding / skipping when lowering.!
My sister in law has a Fleetwood E1 2007 and there is no problem vinding it up buy it is very stiff lowering it down, do you have any idea what could be the cause of that?
Start at the whiffle tree for any debris that may be in the drawbar.
Hi. My Coleman is called a cedar model. Do you know what type of bearing it uses? It is very hard to crank to lift it up. I bought the camper used and I don’t know if the lift system has ever been maintenanced either. Does replacing the bearing fix crank issues or is it a combination of new bearing plus maintenance?
It’s a combination. Please give us a call to help you choose the correct parts for your camper.
I have the second thrust bearing. We trying to connect the new kit, the coupler is about a half inch short to the threaded rod of the whiffle tree. Is there a easy solution to pull the rod back to align the hole for the shear pin?
Hello again Cheri! You may have missed my previous reply. You can use a come along or table vise to pull the tree back slightly. Loosening the cables can do it as well.
1991 Coleman Chesapeake #2593 our shaft where the crank handle goes is solid and has a pin sticking out on both sides to attach the crank handle. We have the chain driven system and it make a loud popping noise when being raised what can this be? How do we repair?
Lisa, I would begin with an inspection of the chain and the gears. The chain should be in good flexible condition, and the gears not worn. The tighten of the chain is similar to what you would find on a bicycle. A failing thrust bearing can also cause issues like this. The chain may be takin more force than it is designed to handle. I hope this is helpful!
If I was to give you the vin of my pop up would you be able to send me everything from the crank to the whiffletree?
We can help! Please send me an email or give a call at the shop.
1989 colmen pop up replaced the thrust bearing still really hard to crank didn't fix the problem whatelse could it be
Could be that the bearing needs spaced. If it’s not fully seating on the frame or bearing spacer plate, then shim it.
@@popupcamperpro it's seated good still really hard to crank
@@popupcamperpro how do shim it
Then you will need to find the binding, or the component that is out of true. Lastly, make sure that the roof is not to heavy.
@@popupcamperpro nothing is binding up I've got pictures of underneath the camper if u would like to see it everything is greased
We have a 1996 Coleman Fleetwood Sun valley camper. We are trying to replace the thrust bearing because of the hammering sound and how hard it is to crank. We've taken the back off and grinded off the crank assembly, but we cannot seem to take the crank assembly apart. Is there a way to do this to replace just the thrust bearing or do we just need to replace the whole crank assembly?
From my research on your site, the replacement would be the 6601 crank. And since we have 24 teeth on our gear and the replacement is 22 teeth, does that mean we would have to replace the chain too?
So thankful for your site and videos!! They are all so helpful!!
Sorry, more questions :) is the thrust bearing in the crank assembly, so replacing the crank assembly could fix our problem? And would we also need to replace the lower gear the chain attaches to?
Your thrust bearing is just before the whiffle tree. See page 7 of your parts book free on my site. Remove the chain, then unpin the tree to service the bearing. Find the written instructions under INSTRUCTIONS and CONVENTIONAL LIFT SYSTEM REPAIR MANUAL on colemanpopupparts.com as well. You’ve got this Rachelle!
Thank you SO much!!
Do you have a video how to replace them in a 2003 Coleman?
Coming soon Casey! For now you can find the step by step instructions on our webstore @ colemanpopupparts.com
Awesome we (my mother in law Cindy) bought the parts from you and now we just got to figure out how to do it.
Can you link to the instructions. We have not been able to locate them.
2007 E3 If the pawl will not align with the cog could it possibly be a worn out thrust bearing? I could see very thin pieces of metal about the size of a thin wire, trying to come out on the backside of the hole where the whiffletree is inserted. I wish I could post a pic here.
That’s definitely an issue, but likely not the entire issue. For the paw to be out of alignment with the gear, typically the drive hub tube is not completely compressed.
@@popupcamperpro Ugh....so how do I fix that? 😔
acforhim1 I would remove the crank, and first check / replace the thrust bearing. Inspect the threads in the drive tube, and drive shaft next. If damage exist, replace those components or the complete assembly.
@@popupcamperpro Thank you very much! Supposed to camp Thursday-Sun. Guess I may be canceling. 😕
@@popupcamperpro Hi I have 86 Laramine my frint lift cable broke we replaced it but now the front sits about and inch lower that the back . (Roof) so now we are thinking we should replace all 4 cables but I cant find and where what the actual length should be for the cables . If u could help that would be great . Thanks Krista
What is the reason to NOT spray the crank with lubricant? Can’t find the answer anywhere. Also, how can we fix it if we did. 🤔
It's for compression clutch release systems LK B. They have a clutch pad inside of them that needs to stay dry. If this is your system and you have greased it, you will want to remove as much as possible from the clutch pad. Spray brake cleaner works well.
@@popupcamperpro thank you for responding! I have the coleman fleetwood Sunridge model, which has the chain drive, not the direct. still should spray with brake cleaner?
I have a 2006 Fleetwood E1 camper what kind of barring do I need?
Your camper calls for the 6311 version jzazn.
Any idea what type of thrust bearing is used on the newer Somerset e3? It’s barker power lift system
This is commonly the D2421 version
Pop up camper pro Do you sell it?
Thank you so much for another helpful video! I have a 1998 Coleman Taos popup that I love, but it does take both hands and a lot of muscle to raise the roof. I greased the whiffletree a year ago (pretty sure it had not been done since the factory), but it did not make it much easier. Would my next try be to replace the thrust bearing? And do you have a video showing that process? Very thankful for your help.
Hello Jo! More how to video are always in the works. I think you are on the correct patch for your hard to raise issue with a thrust bearing replacement. You can always find more instructions at our webstore for this repair as well. Here's the lift system repair manual.
cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0273/4347/files/DOC011818.pdf?14982018414419181682
@@popupcamperpro Well the repair manual does have detailed diagrams, but it doesn't tell me the process. Can you tell me if I have to remove the whiffletree cover (guide channel), or can I just go in from the outside by the bumper? Removing that whiffletree cover was the hardest thing I've ever done!
My 1997 Taos is the same. This is my third Popup (2nd Taos) and first time dealing with this issue.
@@jolynn8675 i have the exact issue w/my '97 Taos. Greasing the WF didnt make it easier but it DID make it harder. Did you get yours to raise easier if so what did you do? Were there any vids that were helpful? That cover was a B**ch!! Holy moly. And the crank assembly cover...I removed the bolts but can't get it to back off towards the bumper. Were you able to remove yours If so, how? I think this is my current issue as it feels like it's not engaging and i need to "put it back in.." but as I said, I cant get that black box cover off to see what's going on in there. Any help is GREATLY appreciated.
@@GraceB305 and Grace, please see my comment to Jo Lynnn below. I had the same issue as you both. Were you able to resolve it? Thanks
I have an '02 Fleetwood. The roof lowers fine, but when raising, it's hard to crank, and I get a constant "banging" sound every time I crank the handle. Is my prob the thrust bearing? I doubt this popup has ever been maintained. Also, I'm assuming my year puts me in the middle bearing category.
The thrust bearing is the proper place to start for this issue. Sometimes the “hammering” can come from a worn chain as well. What is the model name of your camper please?
@@popupcamperpro It's a Cheyenne. Thanks!
Got it. Your thrust bearing is part number 4720b2421. Available at colemanpopupparts.com
Thank you!
@@popupcamperpro thank YOU! Any chance you have the part number for the chain as well? I can't find it on the site
Sure! It’s Part number 4755-1431
How we can fix the chain on Coleman 1987 ??
This is typically a chain replacement. If your chain is original, I would recommend purchasing a new on from colemanpopupparts.com