Never ridden the shuttle. A thought: you should record the train going in the other direction so that viewers can see the entrance to the (now unused) tunnel where the infamous Malbone Street wreck happened in 1918, and then add that part of the video as an addendum to this one.
WOW! I was just gonna mention the exact same thing about recording a video of the line in the opposite direction.... While we're at it, at the point where the train left Prospect Park and the track straightened up after the bend, has anyone else noted the width of the tunnel at that point?! This is a remnant of the time when there were two tracks in the space, with the southbound track forming what's now the northbound express track. The line was two tracks all the way to Coney Island until somewhere around c. 1913-1916....
Is Bed-Stuy as dangerous as I heard that it was ? Billy Joel also sang about walking in that neighborhood as if it was machismo to dare to do so. Aarre Peltomaa of Mississauga, Ontario
Thank you so much for sharing. It’s an honor to help improve your knowledge of the system and we hope you join us in giving a shoutout to those responsible for keeping it moving. 🫡
@@wtaenyc When I was a boy growing up on Prospect Place, the Franklin avenue shuttle was my first exposure to good rapid transit. In fact, I was born in the hospital immediately adjacent to the line (I guess when the doctor slapped me upside the ----, I was facing the tracks at the crucial moment when a string of southbound BX units in tandem [6 cars of Standards] came rumbling along, and screamed "MAAA-MAAAAA!!". Putting levity aside, I aspired to become a Transit Authority employee especially as a motorman (now "train operator")! The FORWARD VIEW on the trains got me permanently "addicted" to passenger rail, and whenever riding the subway, I always made an effort to trudge up to the front car just to obtain this prized visual treat! I made efforts to befriend as many motormen as I could; one of whom was a close friend of some family friends we frequently visited. At first glance, I wasn't sure who he was; I could've sworn I'd seen that face---in dark sunglasses----sometime before that moment. My mother, an automotive addict, never let me know who he was or what his job was until we got home, saying: "he's a motorman on the subway...." to the family in general. DAMN, A MISSED OPPORTUNITY! I later made future efforts to contact him, but then I found out a few months later that he was murdered on the job, somewhere under 6th avenue; I'm not sure of which exact station the evil deed took place.... That both greatly angered and saddened me. Even though quite traumatic, nothing compared to what was to come a couple of years later: moving to the most AUTOMOBILIATED death camp with traffic lights in the entire nation: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA!! Yet despite even THAT trauma, I still never forgot Mr. Kelly (or Kelley, whatever....); maybe he could be memorialized in another "haunted tales of the NYC subways" video!
The Franklin ave shuttle has long fascinated me and I rode this shuttle quite a lot when I was a kid. It’s changed significantly. There used to be tracks going in both directions for the entirety of the trip. The Dean st station is completely gone. The Frankin Ave station is completely remodeled. I remember being amazed at all the old wooden stations that used to line this route and thinking that it was such a cool oddity of the subway system. Some fun and not so fun facts about this line: -It’s one of the two lines in the system where the motorman pulls double duty as the conductor, opening and closing the doors on both sides. -There are only two trains servicing this line. -The worst accident in NYC subway history occurred in 1918 just north outside the Prospect tunnel, on the opposite southbound side.That is the location of a steep ‘S’ curve that was taken too fast by a train with wooden cars. About 100 people were killed. “The Malbone wreck” was so infamously tragic, the city changed Malbone st to Empire st. Cool to see the Frankin shuttle again after 40 years. Thanks.
Thank you so much for sharing these fun and unfortunate facts. We send positive blessings to the families of all those individuals who unfortunately perished during said incident. It must have been pretty cool to have ridden the train when it used to be wooden cars and it is an honor to be able to bring you back a taste of a train you used to ride 40 years ago. It's interesting that things have changed as it relates to the layout/stations but it still remains one of the intriguing lines in the system. Thanks again for sharing that history and we hope we continue to earn your support. 🫡
It's quite the experience to read comments from those who've ridden the line in its very fabled past; I too remember when there was a Dean street stop----the train picked up/dropped off very few passengers there. Just north of Dean street, a spring switch narrowed the line from two tracks to one for the Franklin/Fulton terminal which, btw, was the junction from the Fulton Street El. All the times I rode that line when I lived in NYC, I never understood why there was such a huge pedestrian plaza above the intersection; that was the old junction! Speaking of this line's past, there are remnants of when it was steam powered; a water tower serving the locomotives was located at what's now the corner of Atlantic Avenue and the Franklin Avenue right-of-way. Post-electrification, we can see plans for the LIRR to have connected with the line; a bell mouth in the LIRR line near the Bedford Avenue portal would've taken trains from the Flatbush/Atlantic terminal to Coney Island. Just one minute into the video, note that the tunnel is wide enough for two tracks; before the Brighton line was completed under Flatbush Avenue, those tracks formed what's now the center tracks at the Prospect Park station. Old images of the Malbone Street wreck clearly show tis alignment, as well as images showing the widening of the Brighton line from two to four tracks during the years of the Dual Contracts. Btw, Malbone Street we changed to Empire BOULEVARD.
I was born in NY City, but my family moved when I was very young, so I have no memories of any of this. However, I have been watching your videos and following along on the Google map of the city and am in awe of the magnitude of the city, and the engineering of the entire system. Thank you for these wonderful posts!
It’s our pleasure that we are able to bring you back a taste of home and it’s an honor that you are able to use the content to appreciate the great engineering behind the system that keeps NYC going. Massive respect 🫡
I remember when Park Place had two tracks with an island platform, and the station house was located on the south side of Park Place. I faintly remember a stairway near the entrance to the old stop; it might've connected an adjacent street to the south. At home on Prospect Place, I could look down the street and see the station platform extending clear across the street; it must've had a nine-car capacity if BMT Standards were used. Whenever the train moved towards Fulton Street, it'd spark off the third rail in a bright, blinding flash which could be seen from across Bedford Avenue, and on a quiet Sunday morning, you could even HEAR the spark!
Beautiful filming. Thank you. Lived on Uniion St in the 60s. Mom would leave me alone to wave at the conductors. She would be arrested for child abuse in this day and age.
Shoutout to you for taking the time to wave to the conductors and even though mom allowed you to do so alone, we imagine that her prayers were with you. Glad to assist with the memory and we appreciate you for tuning in. 💯🫡
Hey i recently found your videos while bored in school and it really makes me happy to see the train system i love again. Thank you for getting these amazing views of the subway, and i hope you have a good March :). A funny thought: Do the Shuttle from Time Square to Grand Central for April Fools Day lol
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I have rode on this shuttle train on different occasions when visiting New York. I do remember taking a friend with me on this train and told her about the horrible Malbone Street wreck in 1918. Then she wondered why I paused briefly. I told her we were riding on the train as we were going from Franklin Avenue to Prospect Park. And it was on the date of the tragic crash, November 1st. We did see the bend where the ill-fated train jumped the track and crashed into the wall that fateful day. Close to 100 riders lost their lives. Because of the tragedy, the name Malbone Street was renamed Empire Boulevard. She was fascinated about the history I shared about the route. As an addendum, you could show an archival photo of the wreck with a brief description of what happened. I'm sure other railfans have suggested the same thing.
We send nothing but positive blessings to the families of those individuals who unfortunately lost their lives during said incident. Thank you so much for sharing that story and the suggestion you made as it relates to the return trip of this line and we definitely look forward to folks being able to see it from this channel. We will take your suggestion into consideration and see how we can enhance that experience of said area for our supporters. Massive respect and we thank you again.
Franklin Av (S) to Franklin Av stop timestamps: 0:20 - Prospect Park {Transfer is available to (B) (Q) [Brighton Line 🟠🟡] trains} [Southern Terminal ▫️] 2:15 - Botanic Garden {Transfer is available to (2) (3) (4) (5) [Eastern Pkwy Line 🔴🟢] trains} 4:20 - Park Pl 6:23 - Franklin Av {Transfer is available to (C) [Fulton St Line 🔵] train} [Northern Terminal ▫️]
The shuttle only has 2 2 car trains running on it. AND, if you look near the end of Franklin Av, you can see where the old Brighton Line would’ve continued.
And pertaining to such an extension, I think the line should be extended to Myrtle Avenue, and turn towards Broadway, thus duplicating a portion of the old Myrtle Avenue line, which I also think should be extended past Metropolitan Avenue along the Bay Ridge branch right-of-way, then divert up towards LGA, to possibly connect with an extension of the Ditmars line, forming a huge loop connecting Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan. All stations will accommodate ten-car trains (or eight cars, if they're 75 feet in length each). Through Manhattan, the line will utilize the BMT lines to the Manhattan Bridge, thru Dekalb Junction, an onto the 4th avenue line to the rebuilt center tracks of the Sea Beach (present-day N train), and stopping at a rebuilt New Utrecht Avenue station (needing this rebuild to convert the station into an express station). This will be the only stop before reaching Coney Island, where it'd run local on the Brighton line back to Prospect Park. The sharp curve on the southbound track will be "flattened out" to allow for increased speeds. Since the line will resemble a huge loop, we could dub it the "O" train!!
I suppose the reason so many people hate New York City is because they're JEALOUS; NYC has what EVERY TRUE, REAL CITY should have, a vibrant, active pedestrian-based functioning, not automotive dependent in any way, shape, or form!
Great video of the Franklin Ave Shuttle. I wonder why there’s only 1 track going into Franklin Ave after leaving Botanical Garden. With 2 tracks, u wouldn’t have to worry about delays if a train gets stuck operating on the one track.
@@wtaenycSo you think that's nostalgic?! Wait till the MTA has one of its many fan trips using the old BMT Standards; THOSE were the trains which dominated service on the Franklin Avenue Shuttle for several decades!!
It would have been quite interesting to see how that would have looked now. Thank you so much for sharing as we are sure many don't know that those tracks even existed.
Great observation and question. The Franklin Ave bound train always waits for the other train to leave first, before the tower then operates the switch, allowing for this journey to be completed.
@@wtaenycThe switches are all spring-activated,meaning that no changing of the points hasta take place in general practice. In moves to the Malbone tunnel, however, the Dekalb master tower can set the switch.
Thanks. It was 1974 when I last rode this line. I wonder why the passing siding starts so far to the south, not midway along the route ? Aarre Peltomaa
Passing varies based on the time each train leaves their respective terminal due to the one track utilization north of Botanical Gardens. Either way, it’s an honor to bring you another video you are able to appreciate. 🫡🫡
Franklin Avenue Shuttle to Franklin Avenue-Fulton Street Timestamps: {BMT Brighton Line (Franklin Avenue branch)} 0:21 Start: Prospect Park♿(transfer to B and Q {BMT Brighton Line (main line)} trains) 0:51 _ON LEFT: Former trackway_ 1:01 _ON LEFT: Track from Malbone Street Tunnel meets up with Shuttle track_ 1:06 _Track switch from Northbound Shuttle track to Southbound Shuttle track_ 2:16 Botanic Garden-Medgar Evers College (transfer to 2, 3, 4, and 5 {IRT Brooklyn Line} trains) 4:06 _Northbound and Southbound Shuttle tracks merge_ 4:21 Park Place♿ 5:53 _ON LEFT: Site of demolished Dean Street station_ 6:26 End: Franklin Avenue-Fulton Street♿(transfer to C {IND Fulton Street Line} train)
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@@wtaenyc fun fact in the 90s there was an extra station Dean Street and an extra track after botanical gardens but that was demolished during renovation to save the line from closing forever also there was a connection to the Fulton street elavated
Fun Fact: They filmed a scene from the movie Ghost at The Park Place station just a block up where Rick Aviles’s character “Willie Lopez” lived at “303 Prospect Place” when actually it’s 592 Prospect Place.
That movie is a transit trivia treasure trove; plenty of subway action, especially in a scene we all know just CANNOT EVER BE SHOT AGAIN (guess where that'd be?!).
Great observation. What else did you notice in the video that was actually positive? We look forward to a system where everyone follows in your footsteps and decides to place their trash into the bins provided. It is unfortunate that we all don't value the system as much as we should, hence why the litter even exist but as we take small steps, eventually that positivity will vibrate throughout the system and inadvertently, throughout the city because 'New York City is Underground.' (at least in our opinion)
Franklin Ave (S) To Franklin Ave 0:20 (Prospect Park♿️🛗) (Transfer is available to (B)/(Q) [🟠🟡Brighton Line🟡🟠]) 2:15 (Botanic Garden) (Transfer is available to (2)/(3)/(4)/(5) [🔴🟢Eastern Pkwy Line🟢🔴]) 4:20 (Park Place🛗♿️) 6:23 (Franklin Ave🛗♿️) (Transfer is available to (C) LCL [🔵Fulton St Line🔵]) [🛑LAST STOP🛑]
What's so wrong with its present location, except for the sharp curve on the Malbone Street wreck track?! That area would need the most immediate work; platform extensions could come later.
@@CraigFThompson Trains just have to take the curve slowly, which is why there are speed limits. As for extending the platforms, which would eventually become necessary since all the newer rolling stock are too long to fit, it’s not urgent but still possible. If the line were to connect to the G, it would connect at Bedford-Nostrand Aves and the unused center track can be used for occasional short-turns.
@@anonymous3738 My plan would be to take the line to Myrtle Avenue, turn towards Broadway, then continuing on to Metropolitan Avenue z where the line will then be extended along the Bay Ridge branch to a point where it'll go underground for a short distance to LGA, where it'll then go elevated to connect with an extension of the Ditmars line. Going thru Manhattan, the line will cross the Manhattan Bridge into Dekalb Junction, and onto the 4th avenue line to the rebuilt center tracks of the Sea Beach line, stopping at a rebuilt New Utrecht Avenue station (New Utrecht needs to be reconfigured into an express station to allow transfers to the West End (D train) line). This will be the last stop before Coney Island, where the train will switch to the local tracks of the Brighton line back to Prospect Park. Since the line will appear to be a huge circle, why not dub the new service the "O" train?!
I just thought of an even better idea. Maybe connect to the Sixth Ave Line via the unused layup tracks at Second Ave by building an entirely new line. Because the Crosstown Line doesn’t have much ridership and connecting it to Sixth Ave can put unused tracks to good use. Plus, it can bring back the V with the M reverting back to brown.
The reason for the length of time is because the train left Prospect Park "a little hot", and had to waste time at Eastern Parkway for the southbound to arrive. The MTA really phucked up the line when they single-tracked most of its length, especially at Park Place, which has become a bottleneck of sorts....
The city is full of amazing artist who chose to showcase their art in the system. It makes the system even more unique and as much as we all have our opinions of it, we remain thankful that it continues to work. We send positive blessings as they continue to work on making improvements.
Never ridden the shuttle. A thought: you should record the train going in the other direction so that viewers can see the entrance to the (now unused) tunnel where the infamous Malbone Street wreck happened in 1918, and then add that part of the video as an addendum to this one.
Thank you so much for this suggestion. It will truly be interesting to see see that area and we can’t wait for you guys to see what we have in store.
WOW! I was just gonna mention the exact same thing about recording a video of the line in the opposite direction....
While we're at it, at the point where the train left Prospect Park and the track straightened up after the bend, has anyone else noted the width of the tunnel at that point?! This is a remnant of the time when there were two tracks in the space, with the southbound track forming what's now the northbound express track. The line was two tracks all the way to Coney Island until somewhere around c. 1913-1916....
Always loved the Franklin Shuttle I used it alot going to visit friends in Bed-Stuy from Coney Island where I grew up
Is Bed-Stuy as dangerous as I heard that it was ? Billy Joel also sang about walking in that neighborhood as if it was machismo to dare to do so.
Aarre Peltomaa of Mississauga, Ontario
It’s a very useful connection for certain. Thanks for sharing
I lived on Prospect Place, and mostly used the Park Place stop to enter and exit the entire system.
It's always a joy to see you upload, I always been intrigued about how the subway works but this channel helps a lot. Thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing. It’s an honor to help improve your knowledge of the system and we hope you join us in giving a shoutout to those responsible for keeping it moving. 🫡
@@wtaenyc When I was a boy growing up on Prospect Place, the Franklin avenue shuttle was my first exposure to good rapid transit. In fact, I was born in the hospital immediately adjacent to the line (I guess when the doctor slapped me upside the ----, I was facing the tracks at the crucial moment when a string of southbound BX units in tandem [6 cars of Standards] came rumbling along, and screamed "MAAA-MAAAAA!!".
Putting levity aside, I aspired to become a Transit Authority employee especially as a motorman (now "train operator")! The FORWARD VIEW on the trains got me permanently "addicted" to passenger rail, and whenever riding the subway, I always made an effort to trudge up to the front car just to obtain this prized visual treat!
I made efforts to befriend as many motormen as I could; one of whom was a close friend of some family friends we frequently visited. At first glance, I wasn't sure who he was; I could've sworn I'd seen that face---in dark sunglasses----sometime before that moment.
My mother, an automotive addict, never let me know who he was or what his job was until we got home, saying: "he's a motorman on the subway...." to the family in general. DAMN, A MISSED OPPORTUNITY!
I later made future efforts to contact him, but then I found out a few months later that he was murdered on the job, somewhere under 6th avenue; I'm not sure of which exact station the evil deed took place....
That both greatly angered and saddened me. Even though quite traumatic, nothing compared to what was to come a couple of years later: moving to the most AUTOMOBILIATED death camp with traffic lights in the entire nation: SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA!!
Yet despite even THAT trauma, I still never forgot Mr. Kelly (or Kelley, whatever....); maybe he could be memorialized in another "haunted tales of the NYC subways" video!
The Franklin ave shuttle has long fascinated me and I rode this shuttle quite a lot when I was a kid. It’s changed significantly. There used to be tracks going in both directions for the entirety of the trip. The Dean st station is completely gone. The Frankin Ave station is completely remodeled. I remember being amazed at all the old wooden stations that used to line this route and thinking that it was such a cool oddity of the subway system.
Some fun and not so fun facts about this line:
-It’s one of the two lines in the system where the motorman pulls double duty as the conductor, opening and closing the doors on both sides.
-There are only two trains servicing this line.
-The worst accident in NYC subway history occurred in 1918 just north outside the Prospect tunnel, on the opposite southbound side.That is the location of a steep ‘S’ curve that was taken too fast by a train with wooden cars. About 100 people were killed. “The Malbone wreck” was so infamously tragic, the city changed Malbone st to Empire st.
Cool to see the Frankin shuttle again after 40 years. Thanks.
Thank you so much for sharing these fun and unfortunate facts. We send positive blessings to the families of all those individuals who unfortunately perished during said incident.
It must have been pretty cool to have ridden the train when it used to be wooden cars and it is an honor to be able to bring you back a taste of a train you used to ride 40 years ago. It's interesting that things have changed as it relates to the layout/stations but it still remains one of the intriguing lines in the system. Thanks again for sharing that history and we hope we continue to earn your support. 🫡
It's quite the experience to read comments from those who've ridden the line in its very fabled past; I too remember when there was a Dean street stop----the train picked up/dropped off very few passengers there. Just north of Dean street, a spring switch narrowed the line from two tracks to one for the Franklin/Fulton terminal which, btw, was the junction from the Fulton Street El. All the times I rode that line when I lived in NYC, I never understood why there was such a huge pedestrian plaza above the intersection; that was the old junction!
Speaking of this line's past, there are remnants of when it was steam powered; a water tower serving the locomotives was located at what's now the corner of Atlantic Avenue and the Franklin Avenue right-of-way. Post-electrification, we can see plans for the LIRR to have connected with the line; a bell mouth in the LIRR line near the Bedford Avenue portal would've taken trains from the Flatbush/Atlantic terminal to Coney Island.
Just one minute into the video, note that the tunnel is wide enough for two tracks; before the Brighton line was completed under Flatbush Avenue, those tracks formed what's now the center tracks at the Prospect Park station. Old images of the Malbone Street wreck clearly show tis alignment, as well as images showing the widening of the Brighton line from two to four tracks during the years of the Dual Contracts.
Btw, Malbone Street we changed to Empire BOULEVARD.
Haven’t ridden the S train in years.. brings back memories 👊🏾👊🏾
It’s an honor to bring back those memories 🫡🫡
@@wtaenyc yes sir! Thank you 😊
The MTA needs to bring back the DOUBLE TRACK!
Fondest childhood memories riding the Franklin Ave. Shuttle back in 1999 🚇😊❤️
It's an honor to know that our content can bring you back those memories. Thank you for sharing and we hope we continue to earn your support.
I was born in NY City, but my family moved when I was very young, so I have no memories of any of this. However, I have been watching your videos and following along on the Google map of the city and am in awe of the magnitude of the city, and the engineering of the entire system. Thank you for these wonderful posts!
It’s our pleasure that we are able to bring you back a taste of home and it’s an honor that you are able to use the content to appreciate the great engineering behind the system that keeps NYC going. Massive respect 🫡
Btw, where did your family move to?! My mother made the moronic "error" of moving to southern California....
timestamps
*FRANKLIN AVENUE LINE*
0:28 - Prospect Park [ ⚪S - 🟠B - 🟡Q]
2:10 - Botanic Garden [ ⚪S - 🔴2, 3 - 🟢4, 5]
4:13 - Park Place [ ⚪S]
*LAST STOP*
6:12 - Franklin Avenue [ ⚪S - 🔵C]
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Agree with James, love to see running back. Thanks for the ride.
Maximum respect and we cannot wait for you to see all that we have in store.
I love the entrance to the Park Place Station.. one of my favorites
It's quite intriguing isn't it? Its unique how they created the 1 track set up.
I remember when Park Place had two tracks with an island platform, and the station house was located on the south side of Park Place. I faintly remember a stairway near the entrance to the old stop; it might've connected an adjacent street to the south.
At home on Prospect Place, I could look down the street and see the station platform extending clear across the street; it must've had a nine-car capacity if BMT Standards were used. Whenever the train moved towards Fulton Street, it'd spark off the third rail in a bright, blinding flash which could be seen from across Bedford Avenue, and on a quiet Sunday morning, you could even HEAR the spark!
Beautiful filming. Thank you. Lived on Uniion St in the 60s. Mom would leave me alone to wave at the conductors. She would be arrested for child abuse in this day and age.
Shoutout to you for taking the time to wave to the conductors and even though mom allowed you to do so alone, we imagine that her prayers were with you. Glad to assist with the memory and we appreciate you for tuning in. 💯🫡
The second shortest line of the entire subway system, the Franklin Ave shuttle
42nd street shuttle?
42 St shuttle is the shortest line in the system. Also, the shuttle was part of the original IRT line that opened in 1904.
@@tashameisntcool that's the first
@@HayleyKiyokoLineBMT oh I didn't see "second" mb
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Hey i recently found your videos while bored in school and it really makes me happy to see the train system i love again. Thank you for getting these amazing views of the subway, and i hope you have a good March :).
A funny thought: Do the Shuttle from Time Square to Grand Central for April Fools Day lol
Thank you so much for your kind words and your intriguing suggestion; we will definitely take it into consideration. It's a pleasure to bring you this content and we send nothing but positive blessings to you and your family. 🫡
Holy crap it’s still there I didn’t even know. Used be part of the Fulton EL. I gotta go see it
Honored to aid in an old memory.
Nice video, great view and picture quality.
Thank you so much.
My favorite Subway train ride, only from Brooklyn and not from the Bronx, Manhattan, Queens, and even on Staten Island. : )
Thanks for sharing. Massive respect.
@@wtaenyc No problem, WTAE. : )
I have rode on this shuttle train on different occasions when visiting New York. I do remember taking a friend with me on this train and told her about the horrible Malbone Street wreck in 1918. Then she wondered why I paused briefly. I told her we were riding on the train as we were going from Franklin Avenue to Prospect Park. And it was on the date of the tragic crash, November 1st. We did see the bend where the ill-fated train jumped the track and crashed into the wall that fateful day. Close to 100 riders lost their lives. Because of the tragedy, the name Malbone Street was renamed Empire Boulevard. She was fascinated about the history I shared about the route. As an addendum, you could show an archival photo of the wreck with a brief description of what happened. I'm sure other railfans have suggested the same thing.
We send nothing but positive blessings to the families of those individuals who unfortunately lost their lives during said incident. Thank you so much for sharing that story and the suggestion you made as it relates to the return trip of this line and we definitely look forward to folks being able to see it from this channel. We will take your suggestion into consideration and see how we can enhance that experience of said area for our supporters. Massive respect and we thank you again.
97 passengers died on impact, and five later died of their injuries at the Ebbetts Field triage center.
Nice man Keep up the good work bro and stay Positive ❤🎉
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Love it thanks 😊 for anything you guys provide ❤️ 🙏 it keeps me going.
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Never knew that there is a single track subway route in New York City! Used to take this line from Prospect Park to Brooklyn Museum / Botanic Garden.
Pretty cool isn’t it? How’d you like seeing it?
Once upon a time, it was double tracked almost to the Franklin/Fulton terminal.
I love this Shuttle!
Thanks for sharing. What do you love most about it?
@@wtaenyc When the train comes Park Place!
💓🚋🚋💓
Nice little Shuttle Service. Thanks 😊
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Franklin Av (S) to Franklin Av stop timestamps:
0:20 - Prospect Park {Transfer is available to (B) (Q) [Brighton Line 🟠🟡] trains} [Southern Terminal ▫️]
2:15 - Botanic Garden {Transfer is available to (2) (3) (4) (5) [Eastern Pkwy Line 🔴🟢] trains}
4:20 - Park Pl
6:23 - Franklin Av {Transfer is available to (C) [Fulton St Line 🔵] train} [Northern Terminal ▫️]
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Nice. Question. Would you do a Sf t Prospect park video?
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This has to be one of the prettiest, quaintest lines on the entire network.
You should have seen it back when it had two tracks and run down but intriguing, early 20th century wooden stations.
We refuse to argue with you there.
The shuttle only has 2 2 car trains running on it. AND, if you look near the end of Franklin Av, you can see where the old Brighton Line would’ve continued.
And pertaining to such an extension, I think the line should be extended to Myrtle Avenue, and turn towards Broadway, thus duplicating a portion of the old Myrtle Avenue line, which I also think should be extended past Metropolitan Avenue along the Bay Ridge branch right-of-way, then divert up towards LGA, to possibly connect with an extension of the Ditmars line, forming a huge loop connecting Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan. All stations will accommodate ten-car trains (or eight cars, if they're 75 feet in length each).
Through Manhattan, the line will utilize the BMT lines to the Manhattan Bridge, thru Dekalb Junction, an onto the 4th avenue line to the rebuilt center tracks of the Sea Beach (present-day N train), and stopping at a rebuilt New Utrecht Avenue station (needing this rebuild to convert the station into an express station). This will be the only stop before reaching Coney Island, where it'd run local on the Brighton line back to Prospect Park. The sharp curve on the southbound track will be "flattened out" to allow for increased speeds.
Since the line will resemble a huge loop, we could dub it the "O" train!!
Hello 👋 friend I never took the S train thank you for your time 👍🏻🚇
How did you like it?
@@wtaenyc great I miss New York so much 🫣
This is the reason I ❤ NY
A truly beautiful place with an amazing system.
I suppose the reason so many people hate New York City is because they're JEALOUS; NYC has what EVERY TRUE, REAL CITY should have, a vibrant, active pedestrian-based functioning, not automotive dependent in any way, shape, or form!
Will R160's run on the shuttle? Because recently the R160 has been testing on it.
It's something we believe we will have to wait and see.
Wouldn't it be beautifully nostalgic if the MTA decided to use the BMT Standards once again?!
Great video of the Franklin Ave Shuttle. I wonder why there’s only 1 track going into Franklin Ave after leaving Botanical Garden. With 2 tracks, u wouldn’t have to worry about delays if a train gets stuck operating on the one track.
0:21 Prospect Park
2:09 Botanic Garden
4:15 Park Place
6:20 Franklin Avenue
Maximum respect for sharing these on this video.
Aha, trees do grow in Brooklyn!
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DAMN; GOOGLE SATELLITE MAPS COULD'VE SHOWN YOU THAT!!
And thank you for the service you provide to us rail enthusiasts!🚆👍🏾
Maximum respect. We just ask that folks who agree with you, also thank the people behind the amazing system.
They really need to fix the plant growing problem at Franklin Ave
Great observation. We imagine that this will happen as the system continues to receive more resources to do such; your observation is a start.🫡
You should do the 42 St shuttle, respectively.
2:47 ahh I love that startup sound
Quite nostalgic isn’t it?
@@wtaenycSo you think that's nostalgic?! Wait till the MTA has one of its many fan trips using the old BMT Standards; THOSE were the trains which dominated service on the Franklin Avenue Shuttle for several decades!!
I remembered when the shuttles had both tracks and Dean St before it was rebuilt
It would have been quite interesting to see how that would have looked now. Thank you so much for sharing as we are sure many don't know that those tracks even existed.
Those tracks merged to 1 at Park Place? How that that work for the train running the other side?
Great observation and question. The Franklin Ave bound train always waits for the other train to leave first, before the tower then operates the switch, allowing for this journey to be completed.
@@wtaenycThe switches are all spring-activated,meaning that no changing of the points hasta take place in general practice. In moves to the Malbone tunnel, however, the Dekalb master tower can set the switch.
Thanks. It was 1974 when I last rode this line. I wonder why the passing siding starts so far to the south, not midway along the route ? Aarre Peltomaa
Passing varies based on the time each train leaves their respective terminal due to the one track utilization north of Botanical Gardens. Either way, it’s an honor to bring you another video you are able to appreciate. 🫡🫡
The MTA rebuilt the line with less trackage, which translates to less maintenance.
Franklin Avenue Shuttle to Franklin Avenue-Fulton Street
Timestamps:
{BMT Brighton Line (Franklin Avenue branch)}
0:21 Start: Prospect Park♿(transfer to B and Q {BMT Brighton Line (main line)} trains)
0:51 _ON LEFT: Former trackway_
1:01 _ON LEFT: Track from Malbone Street Tunnel meets up with Shuttle track_
1:06 _Track switch from Northbound Shuttle track to Southbound Shuttle track_
2:16 Botanic Garden-Medgar Evers College (transfer to 2, 3, 4, and 5 {IRT Brooklyn Line} trains)
4:06 _Northbound and Southbound Shuttle tracks merge_
4:21 Park Place♿
5:53 _ON LEFT: Site of demolished Dean Street station_
6:26 End: Franklin Avenue-Fulton Street♿(transfer to C {IND Fulton Street Line} train)
Maximum respect to you, as always, for sharing this with the train community. 🫡
I remember back in the 90's the Franklin Ave Station had 2 tracks instead of 1
It would have definitely been interesting and intriguing to experience.
@@wtaenyc yea, just imagine that they were going to take down this shuttle line service
One track was covered up by a platform extension....
That was quick!
How come you chose to use those words?
Indeed it was. How'd you like it?
Wanna see QUICK?! Try riding the 42nd Street Shuttle next!
Never rode this line (nor the Rockaway shuttle).
How'd you like the experience then?
Old Dean Street Station at 5:20-5:30...demolished in 1995
Thank you so much for sharing.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the area.
@@robroy6374 yes your right,my mistake 👍👍
@Welcome to An Experience no doubt...been riding the subway for over 40 years...I've ridden every line,full route 🙂👍
As an NYCTA employee… if you REALLY want to thank us, stop putting those stickers my conductor’s boards. That is a safety tool, not a bulletin board.
Thank you so much for your service to NYC and we thank you for taking the time to share this information. We truly apologize for performing an action that is deemed "inappropriate" and being that it is a matter that has been presented to us a couple months ago, we have informed the team since then to put an end to showing appreciation to people like yourself via that method. We are still "new" to this and we would hate to impose while doing our part to show appreciation to the amazing NYCT employees. Thank you so much again for sharing and know that it will not happen again. Sending positive blessings to you and your family. 🫡
In which case, why don't we just obtain your badge and employee numbers, and write in, thanking you PERSONALLY for your "soivice" (service)?!
This is a remnant of a line that ran over the Brooklyn bridge to Park Row via the Fulton st EL
👍Thank You For This Video. Now We Need The 42th Street Shuttle.
We appreciate you for sharing your suggestions and thank you for your comment.
Was this a R46 Or R68 the desc says 46?
Great catch. Definitely a R68; apologies.
@@wtaenyc it’s ok lol eveyrone makes mistakes
You spelt Franklin Shuttle wrong in your description
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Vielen Dank 🫡
While watching this vid I'ma eat m&Ms and Reese's pieces
How was the snack? How was the video?
@@wtaenyc there both good and every video is great keep it up man
Absolute shortest train in the system, just two small R62As back to back.
Great video 👍
Thank you so much 🫡
Nice you used my idea thanks man
Maximum respect for your support.
@@wtaenyc fun fact in the 90s there was an extra station Dean Street and an extra track after botanical gardens but that was demolished during renovation to save the line from closing forever also there was a connection to the Fulton street elavated
you should record the new r211s on the A line
It would be an honor.
7 Manhattan bound local please! Do a video on that and also maybe late night night on the 4 to New Lots
Thank you so much for your suggestions. We will definitely take them into consideration and look forward to sharing the rest of our content with you.
@WTAE, please fix the mistake in the shorts video of it.
Good video
Thank you so much
R211❤ R160A ❤R188❤
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Back in the day, it was BMT Standards, R-11s, R-32s, and now R-68s; ALL great coaches, btw....
Nice
We appreciate you for your support.
Fun Fact: They filmed a scene from the movie Ghost at The Park Place station just a block up where Rick Aviles’s character “Willie Lopez” lived at “303 Prospect Place” when actually it’s 592 Prospect Place.
Thank you so much for sharing this fun fact. 🫡 🫡
That movie is a transit trivia treasure trove; plenty of subway action, especially in a scene we all know just CANNOT EVER BE SHOT AGAIN (guess where that'd be?!).
heading SB when?
Coming soon 🫡. Is that your favorite line?
act the E Is ngl im js making a game based off the line soo yeee@@wtaenyc
I miss the Dean Street station tbh
It's unfortunate that they decided to make the changes. We guess they deemed it necessary but it would have been nice to experience now.
The litter at that one station was atrocious! Give a hoot, don't pollute!
Great observation. What else did you notice in the video that was actually positive?
We look forward to a system where everyone follows in your footsteps and decides to place their trash into the bins provided. It is unfortunate that we all don't value the system as much as we should, hence why the litter even exist but as we take small steps, eventually that positivity will vibrate throughout the system and inadvertently, throughout the city because 'New York City is Underground.' (at least in our opinion)
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Franklin Ave (S) To Franklin Ave
0:20 (Prospect Park♿️🛗)
(Transfer is available to (B)/(Q)
[🟠🟡Brighton Line🟡🟠])
2:15 (Botanic Garden)
(Transfer is available to (2)/(3)/(4)/(5) [🔴🟢Eastern Pkwy Line🟢🔴])
4:20 (Park Place🛗♿️)
6:23 (Franklin Ave🛗♿️)
(Transfer is available to (C) LCL [🔵Fulton St Line🔵])
[🛑LAST STOP🛑]
Maximum respect for sharing this with the channel. Thank you
This line could be relocated underground with full-length platforms to connect with the Crosstown Line and eliminate the shuttle.
What's so wrong with its present location, except for the sharp curve on the Malbone Street wreck track?! That area would need the most immediate work; platform extensions could come later.
@@CraigFThompson Trains just have to take the curve slowly, which is why there are speed limits. As for extending the platforms, which would eventually become necessary since all the newer rolling stock are too long to fit, it’s not urgent but still possible. If the line were to connect to the G, it would connect at Bedford-Nostrand Aves and the unused center track can be used for occasional short-turns.
@@anonymous3738 My plan would be to take the line to Myrtle Avenue, turn towards Broadway, then continuing on to Metropolitan Avenue z where the line will then be extended along the Bay Ridge branch to a point where it'll go underground for a short distance to LGA, where it'll then go elevated to connect with an extension of the Ditmars line.
Going thru Manhattan, the line will cross the Manhattan Bridge into Dekalb Junction, and onto the 4th avenue line to the rebuilt center tracks of the Sea Beach line, stopping at a rebuilt New Utrecht Avenue station (New Utrecht needs to be reconfigured into an express station to allow transfers to the West End (D train) line). This will be the last stop before Coney Island, where the train will switch to the local tracks of the Brighton line back to Prospect Park.
Since the line will appear to be a huge circle, why not dub the new service the "O" train?!
I just thought of an even better idea. Maybe connect to the Sixth Ave Line via the unused layup tracks at Second Ave by building an entirely new line. Because the Crosstown Line doesn’t have much ridership and connecting it to Sixth Ave can put unused tracks to good use. Plus, it can bring back the V with the M reverting back to brown.
(S)o cool.
Maximum respect.
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7 minutes might be too long for this lol
What are some changes you would make?
@@wtaenyc I was just joking lol
The reason for the length of time is because the train left Prospect Park "a little hot", and had to waste time at Eastern Parkway for the southbound to arrive.
The MTA really phucked up the line when they single-tracked most of its length, especially at Park Place, which has become a bottleneck of sorts....
The NYC subway has its problems, but one thing is for sure, the graffiti is top of the line.
The city is full of amazing artist who chose to showcase their art in the system. It makes the system even more unique and as much as we all have our opinions of it, we remain thankful that it continues to work. We send positive blessings as they continue to work on making improvements.