16 bike spaces in an 8-car train. Brilliant. I write European cycling guide books and have been concerned lately by the reducing provision of cycle spaces on French TGV trains (removal of all cycle spaces on Lyria, no cycle spaces on new InOui TGV Sud Duplex units, no cycle spaces on any OuiGo service). In particular the old style TGVs (with 4 cycle spaces per unit) that used to run twice a day from Paris to Avignon and back have been replaced with Duplex sets with no bike provision. The only remaining way to travel from Paris to the South of France with a bike has been to use a TER train from Bercy to Lyon and another TER on to Marseille - a very slow way of travel. The OuiGo classique is the first OuiGo service with bike spaces which at €10 are cheaper than InOui (€15), that is if you can find an InOui set with bike provision. And the new OuiGo classique service to Lyon will bring cycle carriage back to an important main line route.
And I heard that the Lyon-Marseille TER route will be split in 2 at Valence. Indeed, Ouigo classique will make it much faster to use classic trains, and thus much easier. Once the RCR TERs are taken OOS between Paris and Lyon I'll definitely take the ouigo classique, but until then I will continue hopping in the compartmentalized cab cars 😎
I really like that they are competing with car and bus travel, but I have to agree with you the coaches don't seem too nice for a medium / long distance trip. I hope they succeed with these lines and eventually upgrade the coaches while adding more and more destinations.
@@tonywalters7298 The interior colour scheme and grey bench seating does remind me of American school bus interiors but those seats do look a bit more comfortable. Still for 5€ that's a hell of a lot better than Greyhound in the USA.
The liveries of ouigo are so bold, I love them, compare them to new British liveries, majority are of a white base colour with a little bit of colour, some I’m glad to see European trains with a variety of colour.
It is entirely possible that the sub-standard vehicle was a last-minute substitution for a defective, refurbished, one. It is equally possible that the refurb programme hasn't been completed as quickly as it should. That said, it looks reasonable overall.
Même si ça reste une idée globalement intéressante, je trouve qu'il serait plus intéressant de réouvrir et moderniser certaines lignes moyennes qui desservent les villes entre elles, plutôt que doublonner des axes déjà bien desservis par le TGV. Je rêverais d'un Ouigo Vitesse Classique entre Nantes et Bordeaux qui ne mettrait que 3h30 au lieu de 6 par exemple, quitte à construire quelques segments de ligne nouvelle pour cela. Ou un Limoges - Grenoble via Montluçon, Clermont-Ferrand, St Étienne et Lyon entièrement électrifié et sans correspondance. Il y a plein d'exemples dans ce sens, beaucoup de villes moyennes sont mal desservies entre elles alors que le potentiel de fréquentation est notable, beaucoup plus qu'avec les petites lignes de rabattement pas rentables qui monopolisent toute l'attention. (Même si c'est important aussi, les deux sont complémentaires et ne vont pas sans l'autre.) Tout ne se passe pas forcément à Paris quand on prend un train grande ligne. Le pays a selon moi besoin de toute urgence d'un grand come-back de l'intercité intersecteur (trains de jour comme de nuit) pour rééquilibrer le réseau et offrir davantage d'alternative à la voiture pour celui qui ne va pas en région parisienne ou n'y fait pas transit. À trop vouloir une alternative à l'avion par le TGV, on a oublié l'alternative à l'automobile par les autres trains.
I'm sorry for not being able to write in french, but I totally agree. France is well connected from Paris outwards, but adding reasonably fast services between these radial lines would greatly improve the quality of life in the country by creating some sort of spiderweb and Ouigo could be an appropriate solution.
Tout a fait (indeed). That's been the ongoing problem in France, everything is centralized for Paris first and the rest after. Tout est axe sur Paris dabord et le reste apres. Take into consideration the Marseilles Nice line. Today's TGV rides 20 km/h slower than 30 years ago due to no/poor infrastructure maintenance. Prennez la ligne entre Marseilles et Nice ou le TGV rouler 20 at 40 km/h plus vite il ya 30 and due au manque de maintient de vois. La SNCF, c'est devenue bien triste.
inOui et Ouigo tournent sur fonds propres de la SNCF. Intercité est subventionné par l'état (fin 2010, trains d’équilibre du territoire) TER et Transilien par les régions. Donc une liaison se doit d'être rentable ou bien d'être subventionnée. Côté infrastructure, il est globalement reconnu qu'il manque 1MM€/an pour stabiliser le vieillissement du réseau, mais avec un cout d'entretien très élevé. Avec 4~6MM€/an, on pourrait vraiment rajeunir le réseau et réduire durablement les couts d'entretien. Actuellement, à part les trains de nuit, le gouv actuel a mis assez peu d'€ sur la table pour améliorer l'infra et gonfler le service. Et avec le covid, certaines régions ont même réduit le nb de trains. Mais d'autres mettent la main à la poche pour faire rouler plus de TER et même améliorer les infras des "petites lignes". Y'a des bons et des mauvais élèves. Pour comparaison, le "coup de pouce" pour les carburants de 0.18€/L va couter ~3MM€ pour 4 mois. Et on continue de construire des départementales…
Thibault, thanks for this... I agree that "carpet doesn't match the drapes" and a little more attention to interior detail would have been warranted, but you couldn't even ride with cattle for that price here! I love the concept, being envious of even this in the U.S.!
true but don't forget the size of France to your USA maybe on the east coast lines or west coast in CA around Los Angeles but as i've said your country is huge and your network is .. sorry to say cr-p !
Nice livery, very striking and I love the use of the older stock and classic French locomotives. We need cheaper train travel, it's much to expensive in the UK. I was a train driver on British Rail and traveled by train everywhere. Even with high fuel cost it's cheaper for me to drive my car, than take a train, nowadays, such a shame
@@georgec3650 I've been a driver on similar loco's (NS Class 1700) in my country, I even got my hands on the original Alsthom factory plate. Very nice locos to drive :D
It's funny how SNCF recovered these locomotives. Here in Portugal the railway company CP did the same: took those Alsthom locos back from the junkyard and gave them new life in recent electrified lines. And they do still work perfectly!
Something that Amtrak could do in the midwest, using older referred cars connect stations missed by their long haul train. The only problem is the freight railroads that want amtrak gone. I hope this takes off. Nice video
Eye catching exterior. Comfy seats, lower fares and slower speeds makes for a pleasant way to enjoy the scenery. Thank you Thibault for this good video.😀💙💙
I wish EU would authorize competition with Ouigo in conventional trains to get Flixtrain remodeled Corails, involving SNCF in a minimal way. SNCF needs to hire more coach cleaners for all services in general, including TGV is sometimes dirty even in first. Ouigo service needs power outlets and fast wifi, new LED Lighting too, the current yellow lighting looks horribly dated. Also, a cafe and snack vending machins on TER and Ouigo would be good. It's too bad SNCF cut back Bar and Diners in the 90's.... At least offer something in 1st for TER. GREAT REVIEW as always!
So they are reusing a 45 years old Bullet train Coaches for a Semi Hi Speed Train service at reduced speed Perfect . They still work even after 45 Years in service.. Fantastic
Grâce à un train Ouigo vitesse classique, les chartrains pourront aller à Paris (ou vice-versa avec les parisiens allant à Chartres) plus rapidement (1:35 par Transillien N et 1:20 par TER contre 1:00 par Ouigo vitesse classique), très utile lors des heures de pointe, où les chartrains vont aller à Paris le matin et les parisiens vont aller à Chartres le soir.
@@freewal Malheureusement non, il ne fera qu'un aller-retour quotidien, et là encore, il fait d'abord Paris-Chartres, et ensuite Chartres-Paris. Ça serait peut-être bien si il fessait d'abord Chartres-Paris le matin, ensuite Paris-Chartres le midi, ensuite Chartres-Paris l'après-midi et enfin Paris-Chartres le soir, soit 2 aller-retours quotidiens, et des chartrains travaillant à Paris qui sont très contents.
More cost effective travel would get more folks on trains in the UK. Post COVID ,with WFH many of the franchise's for rail and bus will be totally unsustainable I think. I shudder to think what the cost of travelling,eventually, on HS2 is going to be, business only use and passed on to the clients I suspect.
Cattle class stuff. But, then again, not everyone can afford a comfortable car to drive, either. Those who don't mind paying for comfort would probably rather jump onboard the TGV anyway.
I like it. Although the colour scheme is a bit... pink. I do not mind having no power outlets - I never need to charge anything during my train rides (I read a book, watch the scenery outside or sleep). For me, this seems to be the perfect non-highspeed train. And I LOVE the engine. It is the most beautiful electric locomotive besides the BR103.
I think the output is important, It should be a basic service. It's a 4 hour travel (without counting the time spend on travelling there, waiting for the train, waiting at the queue...people may spend 2 hours or more). People may have medium to low battery. People may want to work, to play games, to see videos on RUclips, to distract their children, etc.
The main issue is that power sockets are provided in some coaches and not others. You might be assigned a seat with a power socket you don't need, whilst someone else who might make use of them is assigned a seat in a coach that doesn't have them. You pay the same for your ticket though and have no option to select.
Thank you for finally talking about the colour ! Nobody talks about this big dildo roaming through the country. Ouigo colours are just awful and should be considered a crime. But the Corail come back is just a treat, such a comfortable ride ^^
I live in Japan, and I am jealous. Nantes to Paris Bercy is about 50 km longer than Tokyo to Nagoya which is 1.5 hours by Shinkansen…but if we want to travel on a train other than Shinkansen we will be in for a trek of at least 6 hours, on at least 5 TER equivalents. And it will cost about JPY 5,500 or USD 45.
Well at least it's still better than Korea, which doesn't even have a high speed rail network. There's a video explaining Korea's rail network, but from what i've seen, there's not even a single high speed rail line : ruclips.net/video/GpxOsJYobeA/видео.html
@@robk7266 That's because North Korea is the only true Korea, South Korea is culturally more Japanese than Korean, so it doesn't make sense for the country to have "Korea" in it's name by culture alone.
@@robk7266 No, it's just that out of the 2 Koreas, the North is the purest, while the South is more culturally Japanese than Korean, this is why it makes more sense to call North Korea "Korea" than it is to call South Korea "Korea".
I was lucky to travell with Ouigo TGV from Lyon to paris 2h11m only for 15€ back in late november! I even saw tickets for 9,90€ from Paris to Marseille 3h05m duration 😃 much love from Hungary ❤️🇭🇺 Travelling with tgv was my dream since the age of 5... Now i am 21 I really love Ouigo colors. Those pink and light blue are very calm. Even the water in the toilet is blue too 😂
Always love to see these classic French engines. No illusions that this isnt budget travel. Cheap and cheerful, nothing wrong with that. Great review, as always.
I couldn't believe the woman's suitcase in the aisle. Someone should have helped her if she was physically unable. After about 3 offers, she would know it's a inconvenience let alone emergency exit hazard.
To help understand the protests from what I've seen on the news: Rail employees across SNCFs network have been in some of the longest-running strikes France has seen due to proposed privatization efforts by the Macron government and lack of interest in services for much of the country outside the established corridors. Ouigo being a likely option for privatization (like Railjet) has drawn a lot of ire from union supporters, which is probably why they're there in front of the station.
Ce que je trouve bizarre, c'est que Ouigo dit: ''Si l’extérieur des rames propose un design repensé, l’intérieur des wagons, lui, reste celui des trains Corail des années 1980 remis au propre, mais pas modernisé. Pas de Wi-Fi à bord donc, ni de prise électrique.". Hors, comme tu l'as prouvé, certains sièges sont changé*, les prises sont là (Sont-elles fonctionnelles?), et les voitures sont pas nettoyé de fond en comble, donc bon, merci pour le mensonge commercial... *Après avoir fait le calcule suivant, j'ai trouvé ce qui aurai coûté à Ouigo/SNCF pour changer toutes les housses: Admettons qu'une house de siège coûte 10€. 10 x 92 sièges par voiture = 920€. 920€ x 8 voitures par train = 7360€. 7360€ x 5 trains en tout sur le réseau OSLO = 36800€. *SACHANT QUE CERTAINES VOITURES ONT DÉJÀ LES SIEGES RÉNOVÉS (voitures intercités + sièges déjà modifiés vu en vidéo), cela veut dire que Ouigo devrait payer moins de 36800€. On va quand même pas nous faire croire que c'est trop cher venant de SNCF/Ouigo!
Je pense qu'il y a quelque chose derrière qui me fait penser que la SNCF tente quelque chose sans trop investir, et que je pense que d'ici quelques années, ce sera l'ancien TGV qui reprendra le flambeau :)
C'est plutôt 100 euros par siège, un tissus anti tâche, au norme incendie c'est mini 25 euros le m. Il y a au moins 3m par siège, plus éventuellement la mousse à changer. Si certaines voitures ont des prises c'est que la SNCF récupère du matériel qui avait été donnée aux régions ou qui était passé en Lunéa et donc rénové. Mais dans tous les cas ces voitures restent les plus confortable de tous le matériel ferroviaire actuel, silencieux, spacieux, confortable.
So I tried looking up on Google about the riot that was mentioned earlier in the video. But I got none of that information at all. So can anybody tell me why there is a riot about the new service?
@@SteamboatWilleyArh "la cote bleu" yes it's beautiful in my top 5 routes i've had the pleasure of doing but my top two french trains are Chamonix to Martigny yes i know it ends in Switzerland the other going up to Briancon from valence along and up the Drome valley then even more spectacular scenery from Gap to Briancon
This is bad, via other railway companies it's not possible to book these trains. Ouigo might be okay for national travellers, for international passengers it's a bad development.
Can someone explain the protests against new ouigo service in nantes? Can't find anything about it on english, unfortunately since all of them are in French.
Slow french trains on branch lines also go really slowly. When branch lines are in bad shape and aren't being refurbished there are sometimes absurd speed limits on certain sections. Some mountainous singletrack branch lines, even well maintained, are limited to 80kph if i am not mistaken.
@@alexstuart1849 Our perspectives are obviously different. 80kph, about 50mph to me, is about as fast as I might care to go on a mountainous single track branch line. Slow would be half of that. That a rail option exists at all on most branch lines is long gone in the US.
@@georgepins9387 on some lines I think slow orders can go down to like 30-40kph. Usually these lines are shutdown soon after, like Oyonnax-St Claude in the Jura for example. As a half Canadian half French guy living in Canada, I know all too well what you mean. My Father grew up in Nova Scotia, where a CP, then VIA RDC service ran until 1990 and was cut in the VIA cuts. That service ran pretty well up until the cuts, but there were multiple slow orders on bridges and such. That line was profitable under VIA, as were most in the Maritimes, but was cut due to foolish conservative policies. In Canada though, I would argue that long distance branch line service like the train to Churchill and the train to Senneterre are what is preventing VIA to be competitive nowadays. VIA is being forced to run this unprofitable service and not able to make the investments where it would make sense, like between Calgary and Edmonton for example. Amtrak faces a similar issue, but it looks like they are improving a bit (Amtrak 2035) but still cling on to a false view of Intercity service. True Corridor IC service between big cities like Tampa and Miami for example should be every hour at minimum and in that case in particular more like every half hour or less... When Amtrak says it will add one or two long distance slow trains a day, it won't attract ridership. I might try a train trip from Montreal to Chicago in a few weeks. The border crossing at Windsor/Detroit will be a hasstle but I want to try haha...
I'm not sure of this legally, but aren't the Churchill and Senneterre trains considered "remote services" which are difficult to access otherwise, and are specially subsidized outside of VIA's regular budget? I have ridden both, years ago, and were worth the journey, without regard to the speed.
@@georgepins9387 You are probably right. I feel like it just perpetuates the image that rail is unprofitable. I forgot to mention that a huge part of the reason that Amtrak can't expand corridor services is the 750 mile rule right?
Great trip. SNCF doing a great job, making classic train great again with rebranding them on Low cost Classic Train service to compete with road transportation. But sadly, their preparation for this concept looks like in a hurry. I'm curious, can the Private/Commercial operator like Flixtrain can entered in France for Commercial service? Or all of Train Transportation in France monopolised?
Ça montre quand même une grosse flemme de leur part, les sièges de différentes couleurs comme ça…😕 Sinon le concept de OUIGO TC est bien, j’espère qu’ils s’étendront sur d’autres liaisons. Belle vidéo 😁
Regarding the colour scheme, it was a logical choice to invert the TGV Ouigo colours (which I love, by the way. This azure blue fits perfectly to travelling to a sea vacation using the TGV/LGV Mediterranee or Atlantique).
The early days of Flixtrain were like this - you can see this in the model train world - they didn't even have the bright green exterior with the black window band - they were makeshift looking collections of several different UIC cars. Not refurbished, no Wifi... the feeling was that of the mid 80s. Now they are all refurbished, have a nice wood-finish interior, all seats are (looking) new, WiFi and nice exterior. Maybe the SNCF didn't want to throw money away and is waiting for the services to be accepted and then will refurbish everything but I agree - you can't call a service "2nd class only" and then have some cars without AC and without power outlets. It's 2022. We all have devices we need to charge and if the trip is 4h instead of 2h, a lot of devices will drain to almost empty on the way. This is an absolute embarrassment. It would've been better of NO ONE had had a power outlet if you ask me instead of just SOME. Even if it had been an extra you'd have to pay for it would've been better. But this is just laughing in the customers' faces. It's disrespectful.
About the matching seats: although I agree it looks a bit shabby why should we dispose perfectly usable seats just because their prints don’t all match? I think there’s no harm in trying to reuse material rather than spending extra money on it.
Très bonne vidéo ! Juste dommage que tu aies montré que la partie non-rénovée de la gare de Nantes, ça aurait pu être cool de montrer la nouvelle passerelle, qui est magnifique et pratique !
Hey ! Thanks for the shout-out ! Loved your trip report ! Personally, i don't agree with the concept of Ouigo, especially with the luggage, because you don't know what they call a small luggage, a big luggage... But Ouigo has a big positive point for me, as trainspotter, they did some awesome liveries for their trains ! Again, thanks for the shout-out, and i'll be very happy to spot other french trains you'll travel with !
@@chartrestransport5155 oui je sais, j'ai discuté avec lui sur instagram, mais sa chaîne étant en anglais, j'écris en anglais par respect pour l'entièreté de sa communauté, pour que tout le monde comprenne.
there is something that makes me happy about this. That is that even if corail is already 50 y/o more or less the fact that they made a brand new service with those cars, that they are present in a lot of services around the country makes me think that they are making an effort to preserve them as long as possible (unlike other countries). Add also recent modifications like the renewing of the corail reversible units made in 2008. And some refurbishments as well. Taking all of this, hopfully they will be with us for quite a while more. And don't get me wrong, modern trains like Regiolis Regio2n or Coradia Liner are not bad at all, but there is something about corail they can't replicate if you know what i mean.
I pray that leaders see that trains would be more popular than cars or planes with cheaper prices. Competition is only starting now that new companies are able to bid for lines, to follow the European directive or law. Hopefully time will tell.
I liked the color scheme of the train on the outside. I agree with you on the coaches, they didn't seem like they worried about the upgrade. I thought in one coach, the seats were there different colors. They definitely need to get have access to power and internet. Happy Easter! Have a great weekend.
Actually, I think it is better without refurbishement. The Ouigo high speed seats are way less confortable than the "Corail" one (which are shown in the video).
La première fois que j'ai vu des photos des Corails en rose, j'ai trouvé ça assez étrange, mais maintenant, je crois que je commence à bien l'aimer! The first time I saw pictures of those Corails coaches in pink, I told myself that it was really weird, but I think now I'm liking it!
Well you get what you pay for I suppose. Not sure I see the appeal but I guess it's nice for the super duper cost conscious traveler. If you can't book a connecting journey I'm not sure the value added of servicing intermittent non LGV stops. Maybe a more useful service would be a low cost feeder option allowing those in smaller communities to access existing high speed service under one ouigo umbrella
It’s a shame that the seat covers were not in the same colours as the exterior and likewise with the provision of power sockets. A decent interior would’ve made it bright and zingy! Also some form of at seat catering on the part of SNCF/Ouigo would be a welcome development on this service. Perhaps this is something that SNCF will consider by adding a catering car to the consist in the future?
Some TER services are also in Corail trains like Paris - Strasbourg, Paris - Orleans - Tours (mixed with the newer Omneo Premium trains), Marseille - Nice (mixed with TER 2NNG and Regio2N trains), Strasbourg - Bale...
It's here you can see than the BB22000 (like other of the "nez cassés" series) is one of the most beautiful locomotives in the world. even with this horrible livery, she is beautiful 😂
Nice video. Thank you for your upload. Nice and interesting shots. Very nice that you gave many information and it was really cool to see the different impressions of the station, the ride and the train.😃 I like the idea to have low-coast and normal trains for high-speed and intercity services. So you have for each category more options, great. Funny for me is that you told years ago in one of your Ouigo-TGV videos that Sncf should run low-coast intercity trains too. Now they do.
La livrée est trop criarde. C'est ainsi car c'est un train low-cost pour les jeunes. Alors ceux et celles qui ont très peu d'argent peuvent aller souvent à Paris et retour. Pour y faire des courses, des achats au détriment des magasins locaux en province. Cela compromet les efforts de renforcer la campagne et les villes moyennes. Le rôle très dominant de Paris est maintenu et renforcé. La majorité des Francais le veut ainsi. Que l'on ne se plaigne pas de cette dominance parisienne..... Je suis Allemand, mon francais est imparfait.
Sure it would be nice to have a charging point but I actually prefer these interiors to the new ouigo ones. There’s also something so nice about the way these trains ride.
Est-il possible d’emprunter ces trains entre paris et Versailles ou massy ou étampes par exemple (comme pour les TER) où est-ce interdit ? (Comme pour les TGV)
@@sam.g7278 C’est pas une question de réservation mais juste d’avoir le droit d’emprunter la ligne, car normalement le pass navigo fait office dans tous les trains (hors exception) dans les zones 1-5, pour ça qu’on peut emprunter un ter entre mantes et paris par exemple. Jusqu’à lors seul les TGV faisaient exception, les intercités ne l’étaient pas (il est par exemple possible d’emprunter un corail INTERCITÉ entre Gare de Lyon et Melun)
@@fugf1623 Étant intéressé par le sujet vu que je dois laisser passer les TGV qui font Massy ↔️ Versailles et les trains NOMAD qui font Montparnasse ↔️ Versailles... De ce que j'ai compris (et de ce que j'avais lu sur un forum de la SNCF), on ne peut pas monter avec un pass Navigo dans un train à reservation obligatoire 😔 donc TGV, OUIGO, train NOMAD (je parle des Paris Montparnasse ↔️ Granville notamment, il est expressément indiqué sur les écrans et sites de la sncf qu'il est interdit de les emprunter pour faire Montparnasse ↔️ Versailles Chantiers)... Ça fait sens... mais c'est dommage 😔 Il est également impossible d'acheter un billet TGV inOui entre Massy et Versailles par exemple, alors pourtant que certains TGV (Marseille ↔️ Le Havre) desservent ces 2 gares... 😕 😕 😕
@@fugf1623 De ce que j'ai compris, si le TER est sans réservation / placement libre, et que l'on peut valider (valideur à dispo sur le quai), alors c'est bon. Pour avoir déjà pris un train NOMAD à Versailles Chantiers sans savoir, je me suis rendu compte que les trains arrivaient au hall 3 de Montparnasse, qui n'a pas de valideurs Navigo sur les quais, preuve qu'on ne peut pas les prendre avec un pass Navigo. De la même manière que les TER ne peuvent pas être empruntés avec un ticket origine destination, vu que par exemple à Montparnasse on trouve sur les quais des TER des valideurs n'acceptant que les Navigo.
A well balanced report. At least you have a classic train (in pink) to travel on. Railcars seem to make up the bulk of all travel that isn't high speed today, so very happy to see it. Hoping to get back to France soon. Saw my first Corail coach at Calais in 1979. They were new and exciting then! Just glad that they made it this far.
I would ride these AS LONG AS THEY'RE CLEAN.I rode a TER recently to Strasbourg... I wish SNCF paid attention. The windows were scratched, the train was dusty and dirty, the pneumatic doors needed service. You can feel the Corails were QUALITY built, but they are begging for a refresh. SNCF NEEDS to order NEW "CORAIL 2" cars from Alstom.... It looks like Ouigo is offereng a superior product on their Corail equipment... Time for SNCF to pay attention to the TER Corails in GrandEst...
Un Ouigolent on pourrait en rire, mais c'est à pleurer. La SNCF réinvente la 3ème classe plutôt que de revitaliser le réseau secondaire. Pour faire un même trajet, Nantes Angers par exemple, elle demande 9 € en Ouigolent, 13,5 € en TGV, et 14,70 en TER pourtant déjà financé par le conseil régional des Pays de la Loire, avec nos impôts donc... Une honte, ou un scandale, comme on voudra. La SNCF ne nous transporte pas, elle nous roule !
@SimplyRailway Coming from Switzerland a country with only 10% the size of France and 10 times the funding for rail. France is better in all ways ok prices, friendly staff witch likes there jobs. I had to travel to a meeting in France and took the train. This trip changed my mind about what a good train is, it’s not a stadler flirt “bus“ witch costs 30€ for 50km and takes 1h 20min, it’s SNCF TER corail trains cheap, reliable and punctual. This is a very good train witch should be expanded to more routes. Btw. SNCF has a better on time performance than SBB if you leave out unattended Bags something SBB does not stop a train for.
Enjoyable video, thanks. I agree, it's a real pity that they've not upgraded and standardised the interiors. Using the high speed services across France cuts journey times, but the beautiful French scenery whizzes by so quickly it's difficult to really appreciate it sometimes. I like the fact that they're re-introducing more 'classic' services.
You for sure are a very spoiled tourist. The people that uses these kind of services donnt complain. Not every train needs to be super duper luxurious and 1st class. These people dont care about it, they only care about good reliable transportation for a good price, wich is what this exactly is. I always cringe at your negativity with some trains, as you obviously dont understand the principle of a " cheaper " train. I wish we had these locos still in the neterlands, we could have done the same as SNCF did, but sadly the NS ( nederlandse spoorwegen ) sold most of them including the coaches 🥲
16 bike spaces in an 8-car train. Brilliant. I write European cycling guide books and have been concerned lately by the reducing provision of cycle spaces on French TGV trains (removal of all cycle spaces on Lyria, no cycle spaces on new InOui TGV Sud Duplex units, no cycle spaces on any OuiGo service). In particular the old style TGVs (with 4 cycle spaces per unit) that used to run twice a day from Paris to Avignon and back have been replaced with Duplex sets with no bike provision. The only remaining way to travel from Paris to the South of France with a bike has been to use a TER train from Bercy to Lyon and another TER on to Marseille - a very slow way of travel. The OuiGo classique is the first OuiGo service with bike spaces which at €10 are cheaper than InOui (€15), that is if you can find an InOui set with bike provision. And the new OuiGo classique service to Lyon will bring cycle carriage back to an important main line route.
Seems like you know the subject well! Can you please share a link to your guides? Thanks
And I heard that the Lyon-Marseille TER route will be split in 2 at Valence. Indeed, Ouigo classique will make it much faster to use classic trains, and thus much easier. Once the RCR TERs are taken OOS between Paris and Lyon I'll definitely take the ouigo classique, but until then I will continue hopping in the compartmentalized cab cars 😎
I really like that they are competing with car and bus travel, but I have to agree with you the coaches don't seem too nice for a medium / long distance trip. I hope they succeed with these lines and eventually upgrade the coaches while adding more and more destinations.
the inside reminds me of school buses in the USA
Honestly, they're comfortable trains. The seats have plenty of cushion, the suspension is very compliant and the coaches are quiet.
@@tonywalters7298 The interior colour scheme and grey bench seating does remind me of American school bus interiors but those seats do look a bit more comfortable. Still for 5€ that's a hell of a lot better than Greyhound in the USA.
Keep in mind it's late 1970s / early 1980s rolling stock
@@quayzar1 The seats are EXTREMELY comfortable. Like in a 70's car, plenty of cushion.
The liveries of ouigo are so bold, I love them, compare them to new British liveries, majority are of a white base colour with a little bit of colour, some I’m glad to see European trains with a variety of colour.
It is entirely possible that the sub-standard vehicle was a last-minute substitution for a defective, refurbished, one. It is equally possible that the refurb programme hasn't been completed as quickly as it should. That said, it looks reasonable overall.
Both assumptions are incorrect. There are no “standardized” interiors
Même si ça reste une idée globalement intéressante, je trouve qu'il serait plus intéressant de réouvrir et moderniser certaines lignes moyennes qui desservent les villes entre elles, plutôt que doublonner des axes déjà bien desservis par le TGV.
Je rêverais d'un Ouigo Vitesse Classique entre Nantes et Bordeaux qui ne mettrait que 3h30 au lieu de 6 par exemple, quitte à construire quelques segments de ligne nouvelle pour cela.
Ou un Limoges - Grenoble via Montluçon, Clermont-Ferrand, St Étienne et Lyon entièrement électrifié et sans correspondance. Il y a plein d'exemples dans ce sens, beaucoup de villes moyennes sont mal desservies entre elles alors que le potentiel de fréquentation est notable, beaucoup plus qu'avec les petites lignes de rabattement pas rentables qui monopolisent toute l'attention. (Même si c'est important aussi, les deux sont complémentaires et ne vont pas sans l'autre.) Tout ne se passe pas forcément à Paris quand on prend un train grande ligne. Le pays a selon moi besoin de toute urgence d'un grand come-back de l'intercité intersecteur (trains de jour comme de nuit) pour rééquilibrer le réseau et offrir davantage d'alternative à la voiture pour celui qui ne va pas en région parisienne ou n'y fait pas transit.
À trop vouloir une alternative à l'avion par le TGV, on a oublié l'alternative à l'automobile par les autres trains.
I'm sorry for not being able to write in french, but I totally agree. France is well connected from Paris outwards, but adding reasonably fast services between these radial lines would greatly improve the quality of life in the country by creating some sort of spiderweb and Ouigo could be an appropriate solution.
@@maxart3392 That's effectivly the whole idea. :)
Vous idées sont bonnes et elles me plaisent.
Tout a fait (indeed). That's been the ongoing problem in France, everything is centralized for Paris first and the rest after. Tout est axe sur Paris dabord et le reste apres. Take into consideration the Marseilles Nice line. Today's TGV rides 20 km/h slower than 30 years ago due to no/poor infrastructure maintenance. Prennez la ligne entre Marseilles et Nice ou le TGV rouler 20 at 40 km/h plus vite il ya 30 and due au manque de maintient de vois. La SNCF, c'est devenue bien triste.
inOui et Ouigo tournent sur fonds propres de la SNCF. Intercité est subventionné par l'état (fin 2010, trains d’équilibre du territoire) TER et Transilien par les régions. Donc une liaison se doit d'être rentable ou bien d'être subventionnée.
Côté infrastructure, il est globalement reconnu qu'il manque 1MM€/an pour stabiliser le vieillissement du réseau, mais avec un cout d'entretien très élevé. Avec 4~6MM€/an, on pourrait vraiment rajeunir le réseau et réduire durablement les couts d'entretien.
Actuellement, à part les trains de nuit, le gouv actuel a mis assez peu d'€ sur la table pour améliorer l'infra et gonfler le service. Et avec le covid, certaines régions ont même réduit le nb de trains. Mais d'autres mettent la main à la poche pour faire rouler plus de TER et même améliorer les infras des "petites lignes". Y'a des bons et des mauvais élèves.
Pour comparaison, le "coup de pouce" pour les carburants de 0.18€/L va couter ~3MM€ pour 4 mois. Et on continue de construire des départementales…
Thibault, thanks for this... I agree that "carpet doesn't match the drapes" and a little more attention to interior detail would have been warranted, but you couldn't even ride with cattle for that price here!
I love the concept, being envious of even this in the U.S.!
true but don't forget the size of France to your USA maybe on the east coast lines or west coast in CA around Los Angeles but as i've said your country is huge and your network is .. sorry to say cr-p !
Nice livery, very striking and I love the use of the older stock and classic French locomotives.
We need cheaper train travel, it's much to expensive in the UK. I was a train driver on British Rail and traveled by train everywhere. Even with high fuel cost it's cheaper for me to drive my car, than take a train, nowadays, such a shame
I'm in my 50s now and those locomotives with the windscreen sloping the "wrong" way are the classic French locos for me :)
I’m in my 20s and they’re still the same for me, absolutely love to see them but never been on one
@@georgec3650 I've been a driver on similar loco's (NS Class 1700) in my country, I even got my hands on the original Alsthom factory plate. Very nice locos to drive :D
@@robinnieuwenhuis4715 En trokken voor de reizigers de beste intercity vroeger, met allemaal losse wagons.
It's funny how SNCF recovered these locomotives.
Here in Portugal the railway company CP did the same: took those Alsthom locos back from the junkyard and gave them new life in recent electrified lines.
And they do still work perfectly!
Something that Amtrak could do in the midwest, using older referred cars connect stations missed by their long haul train. The only problem is the freight railroads that want amtrak gone. I hope this takes off. Nice video
BEAU TRAIN FRANCAIS jadore merci simpli railway
It's so... pink.
I love the pink trains!!!
Eye catching exterior. Comfy seats, lower fares and slower speeds makes for a pleasant way to enjoy the scenery.
Thank you Thibault for this good video.😀💙💙
Beautiful train, views and price!
I wish EU would authorize competition with Ouigo in conventional trains to get Flixtrain remodeled Corails, involving SNCF in a minimal way.
SNCF needs to hire more coach cleaners for all services in general, including TGV is sometimes dirty even in first.
Ouigo service needs power outlets and fast wifi, new LED Lighting too, the current yellow lighting looks horribly dated.
Also, a cafe and snack vending machins on TER and Ouigo would be good. It's too bad SNCF cut back Bar and Diners in the 90's....
At least offer something in 1st for TER. GREAT REVIEW as always!
Great - why are so many people obsessed with speed? Plus, the seats look great - without the curse of modern bolt upright headrests.
18:34
Here you can see a BB26000 (aka Sybic), which could be used in the future for these OUIGO trains
Super sympa le tee shirt des CFF 😁😁😁😁
So they are reusing a 45 years old Bullet train Coaches for a Semi Hi Speed Train service at reduced speed
Perfect .
They still work even after 45 Years in service..
Fantastic
Grâce à un train Ouigo vitesse classique, les chartrains pourront aller à Paris (ou vice-versa avec les parisiens allant à Chartres) plus rapidement (1:35 par Transillien N et 1:20 par TER contre 1:00 par Ouigo vitesse classique), très utile lors des heures de pointe, où les chartrains vont aller à Paris le matin et les parisiens vont aller à Chartres le soir.
Est ce qu’il y aura un programme horaire régulier ?
@@freewal Malheureusement non, il ne fera qu'un aller-retour quotidien, et là encore, il fait d'abord Paris-Chartres, et ensuite Chartres-Paris.
Ça serait peut-être bien si il fessait d'abord Chartres-Paris le matin, ensuite Paris-Chartres le midi, ensuite Chartres-Paris l'après-midi et enfin Paris-Chartres le soir, soit 2 aller-retours quotidiens, et des chartrains travaillant à Paris qui sont très contents.
Nice👍👍👍
Bonjour, j'ai un question, vous faites comment pour avoir une image de la composition de chaque compartiment sur un trajet ?
For 5€ that’s amazing… wish we had such options in UK
This could be very interesting competition as Flixtrain plans to expand into France.
Coaches look fantastic for the price you are paying. 👍
If you want an inexpensive train trip, are you expecting the Ritz?
So it's basically an old Corail train hauled by an old BB7200 repainted in a ghastly color? What is the composition of the faster train?
SNCF is the only train that's with A/C in 80s
If they add Brest-Paris I'll defininely go back to train travel. For me personally, I don't care about power sockets or mismatched coach interiors.
So ,they bring back classic trains on classic lines they’ve cut for TGV-only services … interesting !
It’s time for private train operators.
More cost effective travel would get more folks on trains in the UK.
Post COVID ,with WFH many of the franchise's for rail and bus will be totally unsustainable I think.
I shudder to think what the cost of travelling,eventually, on HS2 is going to be, business only use and passed on to the clients I suspect.
Don't expect perfectness or cleanliness to French state owned company. In addition, it is a budget cheap service.
I don’t think that Pink would be contemplated in the U.K..
Ruins an iconic locomotive.
Wessex Trains back in the day had pink Class 31's
@@hellfiregrowler 👍🏻 Yuk!.
@@Backwardlooking yeah, it was a vile livery!
Cattle class stuff. But, then again, not everyone can afford a comfortable car to drive, either. Those who don't mind paying for comfort would probably rather jump onboard the TGV anyway.
And in Germany Deutsche Bahn makes the completly opposite. Cancel Intercitys and replace them with expensive ICEs.
cute cops waiting on the platform :)
les corails ont un age certain mais elles n'ont pas 50 ans faut pas pousser
I like it. Although the colour scheme is a bit... pink. I do not mind having no power outlets - I never need to charge anything during my train rides (I read a book, watch the scenery outside or sleep). For me, this seems to be the perfect non-highspeed train. And I LOVE the engine. It is the most beautiful electric locomotive besides the BR103.
... and the Taurus with its musicality :D
ruclips.net/video/Q_bF1Wb_pSE/видео.html
I think the output is important, It should be a basic service.
It's a 4 hour travel (without counting the time spend on travelling there, waiting for the train, waiting at the queue...people may spend 2 hours or more).
People may have medium to low battery. People may want to work, to play games, to see videos on RUclips, to distract their children, etc.
The main issue is that power sockets are provided in some coaches and not others. You might be assigned a seat with a power socket you don't need, whilst someone else who might make use of them is assigned a seat in a coach that doesn't have them. You pay the same for your ticket though and have no option to select.
Thank you for finally talking about the colour ! Nobody talks about this big dildo roaming through the country. Ouigo colours are just awful and should be considered a crime.
But the Corail come back is just a treat, such a comfortable ride ^^
I live in Japan, and I am jealous.
Nantes to Paris Bercy is about 50 km longer than Tokyo to Nagoya which is 1.5 hours by Shinkansen…but if we want to travel on a train other than Shinkansen we will be in for a trek of at least 6 hours, on at least 5 TER equivalents.
And it will cost about JPY 5,500 or USD 45.
Well at least it's still better than Korea, which doesn't even have a high speed rail network.
There's a video explaining Korea's rail network, but from what i've seen, there's not even a single high speed rail line : ruclips.net/video/GpxOsJYobeA/видео.html
@@candyneige6609 that's North Korea
@@robk7266 That's because North Korea is the only true Korea, South Korea is culturally more Japanese than Korean, so it doesn't make sense for the country to have "Korea" in it's name by culture alone.
@@candyneige6609 I'm sorry what? Are you a troll?
@@robk7266 No, it's just that out of the 2 Koreas, the North is the purest, while the South is more culturally Japanese than Korean, this is why it makes more sense to call North Korea "Korea" than it is to call South Korea "Korea".
I was lucky to travell with Ouigo TGV from Lyon to paris 2h11m only for 15€ back in late november! I even saw tickets for 9,90€ from Paris to Marseille 3h05m duration 😃 much love from Hungary ❤️🇭🇺 Travelling with tgv was my dream since the age of 5... Now i am 21 I really love Ouigo colors. Those pink and light blue are very calm. Even the water in the toilet is blue too 😂
Always love to see these classic French engines. No illusions that this isnt budget travel. Cheap and cheerful, nothing wrong with that. Great review, as always.
14:10 what a nice guy, haha
Eeeew dirty train and no power outlets for everyone? SACRE BLEHH 🤮
Minimal service. Welcome to SNCF...
The train service was picketed.
In the US only anti rail NIMBYS picket rail service.
I couldn't believe the woman's suitcase in the aisle. Someone should have helped her if she was physically unable. After about 3 offers, she would know it's a inconvenience let alone emergency exit hazard.
To help understand the protests from what I've seen on the news: Rail employees across SNCFs network have been in some of the longest-running strikes France has seen due to proposed privatization efforts by the Macron government and lack of interest in services for much of the country outside the established corridors. Ouigo being a likely option for privatization (like Railjet) has drawn a lot of ire from union supporters, which is probably why they're there in front of the station.
Thank you for the summary!
High speed rail is like one of the few state railway services that usually makes money, and they want to privatize that?
Railjet is not and hasn’t ever been the object of a privatization, what you yapping about
Ce que je trouve bizarre, c'est que Ouigo dit: ''Si l’extérieur des rames propose un design repensé, l’intérieur des wagons, lui, reste celui des trains Corail des années 1980 remis au propre, mais pas modernisé. Pas de Wi-Fi à bord donc, ni de prise électrique.". Hors, comme tu l'as prouvé, certains sièges sont changé*, les prises sont là (Sont-elles fonctionnelles?), et les voitures sont pas nettoyé de fond en comble, donc bon, merci pour le mensonge commercial...
*Après avoir fait le calcule suivant, j'ai trouvé ce qui aurai coûté à Ouigo/SNCF pour changer toutes les housses: Admettons qu'une house de siège coûte 10€.
10 x 92 sièges par voiture = 920€.
920€ x 8 voitures par train = 7360€.
7360€ x 5 trains en tout sur le réseau OSLO = 36800€.
*SACHANT QUE CERTAINES VOITURES ONT DÉJÀ LES SIEGES RÉNOVÉS (voitures intercités + sièges déjà modifiés vu en vidéo), cela veut dire que Ouigo devrait payer moins de 36800€. On va quand même pas nous faire croire que c'est trop cher venant de SNCF/Ouigo!
Je pense qu'il y a quelque chose derrière qui me fait penser que la SNCF tente quelque chose sans trop investir, et que je pense que d'ici quelques années, ce sera l'ancien TGV qui reprendra le flambeau :)
C'est plutôt 100 euros par siège, un tissus anti tâche, au norme incendie c'est mini 25 euros le m. Il y a au moins 3m par siège, plus éventuellement la mousse à changer.
Si certaines voitures ont des prises c'est que la SNCF récupère du matériel qui avait été donnée aux régions ou qui était passé en Lunéa et donc rénové. Mais dans tous les cas ces voitures restent les plus confortable de tous le matériel ferroviaire actuel, silencieux, spacieux, confortable.
Les prix que tu indiques sont très sous estimés.
@@freewal C'est pour ça que j'ai mis "Admettons"
So I tried looking up on Google about the riot that was mentioned earlier in the video. But I got none of that information at all. So can anybody tell me why there is a riot about the new service?
It's because this new service will add more work to crew members so they want the sncf to increase their remuneration or something
@@sam.g7278 ohh I see.
French countryside is stunning. I've only visited France once but I want to go again.
The line along the south coast from Martigues to Marseille has some spectacular scenery.
@@SteamboatWilleyArh "la cote bleu" yes it's beautiful in my top 5 routes i've had the pleasure of doing but my top two french trains are Chamonix to Martigny yes i know it ends in Switzerland the other going up to Briancon from valence along and up the Drome valley then even more spectacular scenery from Gap to Briancon
Yeah it is
Shame UK railways don't follow suit. We pay stupid prices to travel in UK. We'll ✔️
Lumo, to an extent? On routes where there’s a choice, the slower operators sometimes fill the gap too for a cheaper price…
Salut le train que tu as pris ne marquait pas l'arrêt à juvisy
This is bad, via other railway companies it's not possible to book these trains. Ouigo might be okay for national travellers, for international passengers it's a bad development.
Classic train are the best😍😍😍
I hope corail train never die
Can you please make a video about Amtrak Vermonter? And patco train?
1st like and 1st comment
You're not 1st. Sorry...
@@fanfan54old I am
@@nachiketkejriwal9433 No, the 1st is TG Stúdió 😉
Can someone explain the protests against new ouigo service in nantes? Can't find anything about it on english, unfortunately since all of them are in French.
I think its because this new service gives the train crew more work so they protest about it
pushing through reforms detrimental to working conditions and work-life balance.
You don't know how well off you are compared to the US, when a "slow" French train only goes 99mph.
Slow french trains on branch lines also go really slowly. When branch lines are in bad shape and aren't being refurbished there are sometimes absurd speed limits on certain sections. Some mountainous singletrack branch lines, even well maintained, are limited to 80kph if i am not mistaken.
@@alexstuart1849 Our perspectives are obviously different. 80kph, about 50mph to me, is about as fast as I might care to go on a mountainous single track branch line. Slow would be half of that. That a rail option exists at all on most branch lines is long gone in the US.
@@georgepins9387 on some lines I think slow orders can go down to like 30-40kph. Usually these lines are shutdown soon after, like Oyonnax-St Claude in the Jura for example. As a half Canadian half French guy living in Canada, I know all too well what you mean. My Father grew up in Nova Scotia, where a CP, then VIA RDC service ran until 1990 and was cut in the VIA cuts. That service ran pretty well up until the cuts, but there were multiple slow orders on bridges and such. That line was profitable under VIA, as were most in the Maritimes, but was cut due to foolish conservative policies. In Canada though, I would argue that long distance branch line service like the train to Churchill and the train to Senneterre are what is preventing VIA to be competitive nowadays. VIA is being forced to run this unprofitable service and not able to make the investments where it would make sense, like between Calgary and Edmonton for example. Amtrak faces a similar issue, but it looks like they are improving a bit (Amtrak 2035) but still cling on to a false view of Intercity service. True Corridor IC service between big cities like Tampa and Miami for example should be every hour at minimum and in that case in particular more like every half hour or less... When Amtrak says it will add one or two long distance slow trains a day, it won't attract ridership. I might try a train trip from Montreal to Chicago in a few weeks. The border crossing at Windsor/Detroit will be a hasstle but I want to try haha...
I'm not sure of this legally, but aren't the Churchill and Senneterre trains considered "remote services" which are difficult to access otherwise, and are specially subsidized outside of VIA's regular budget? I have ridden both, years ago, and were worth the journey, without regard to the speed.
@@georgepins9387 You are probably right. I feel like it just perpetuates the image that rail is unprofitable. I forgot to mention that a huge part of the reason that Amtrak can't expand corridor services is the 750 mile rule right?
Great trip. SNCF doing a great job, making classic train great again with rebranding them on Low cost Classic Train service to compete with road transportation. But sadly, their preparation for this concept looks like in a hurry. I'm curious, can the Private/Commercial operator like Flixtrain can entered in France for Commercial service? Or all of Train Transportation in France monopolised?
Flixtrain wanted to enter the French rail market but pulled out after the pandemic
Ça montre quand même une grosse flemme de leur part, les sièges de différentes couleurs comme ça…😕
Sinon le concept de OUIGO TC est bien, j’espère qu’ils s’étendront sur d’autres liaisons. Belle vidéo 😁
I wonder why they painted/wrapped the only bb22000 that was wearing a multiservice paint scheme.
Oh that's really cool seeing the MCB close at 5:57
Regarding the colour scheme, it was a logical choice to invert the TGV Ouigo colours (which I love, by the way. This azure blue fits perfectly to travelling to a sea vacation using the TGV/LGV Mediterranee or Atlantique).
Sympa ce voyage qui prend le temps. Dans les commentaires anglais on lit 2 fois since au lieu de for pour dire depuis. Merci pour la vidéo
The early days of Flixtrain were like this - you can see this in the model train world - they didn't even have the bright green exterior with the black window band - they were makeshift looking collections of several different UIC cars. Not refurbished, no Wifi... the feeling was that of the mid 80s. Now they are all refurbished, have a nice wood-finish interior, all seats are (looking) new, WiFi and nice exterior. Maybe the SNCF didn't want to throw money away and is waiting for the services to be accepted and then will refurbish everything but I agree - you can't call a service "2nd class only" and then have some cars without AC and without power outlets. It's 2022. We all have devices we need to charge and if the trip is 4h instead of 2h, a lot of devices will drain to almost empty on the way. This is an absolute embarrassment. It would've been better of NO ONE had had a power outlet if you ask me instead of just SOME. Even if it had been an extra you'd have to pay for it would've been better. But this is just laughing in the customers' faces. It's disrespectful.
About the matching seats: although I agree it looks a bit shabby why should we dispose perfectly usable seats just because their prints don’t all match? I think there’s no harm in trying to reuse material rather than spending extra money on it.
Très bonne vidéo ! Juste dommage que tu aies montré que la partie non-rénovée de la gare de Nantes, ça aurait pu être cool de montrer la nouvelle passerelle, qui est magnifique et pratique !
Hey ! Thanks for the shout-out ! Loved your trip report ! Personally, i don't agree with the concept of Ouigo, especially with the luggage, because you don't know what they call a small luggage, a big luggage... But Ouigo has a big positive point for me, as trainspotter, they did some awesome liveries for their trains ! Again, thanks for the shout-out, and i'll be very happy to spot other french trains you'll travel with !
Tu sais qu'il est français ?
@@chartrestransport5155 oui je sais, j'ai discuté avec lui sur instagram, mais sa chaîne étant en anglais, j'écris en anglais par respect pour l'entièreté de sa communauté, pour que tout le monde comprenne.
Nice job with the video, looks like you were hanging off the edge as you filmed!
@@bobmmann3917 thanks man ! There were some stairs that we don't see on the video, that's why it looks like i'm hanging off an edge 😁
there is something that makes me happy about this. That is that even if corail is already 50 y/o more or less the fact that they made a brand new service with those cars, that they are present in a lot of services around the country makes me think that they are making an effort to preserve them as long as possible (unlike other countries). Add also recent modifications like the renewing of the corail reversible units made in 2008. And some refurbishments as well. Taking all of this, hopfully they will be with us for quite a while more.
And don't get me wrong, modern trains like Regiolis Regio2n or Coradia Liner are not bad at all, but there is something about corail they can't replicate if you know what i mean.
Nice effort to offer cheaper transport. The big problem with European trains is that the ticket prices are not competative.
I pray that leaders see that trains would be more popular than cars or planes with cheaper prices. Competition is only starting now that new companies are able to bid for lines, to follow the European directive or law. Hopefully time will tell.
The trains look a bit like DB intercity 1 trains and Flixtrain (You said this). Great Video! (Sorry for my bad English)
This is a genius idea and definately will encourage more train users all at a affordable price
Instead of bringing back « normal trains » for everyone,they created a new brand for it and sell tickets by internet only ! A real progress…🤮
I liked the color scheme of the train on the outside. I agree with you on the coaches, they didn't seem like they worried about the upgrade. I thought in one coach, the seats were there different colors. They definitely need to get have access to power and internet. Happy Easter! Have a great weekend.
Actually, I think it is better without refurbishement. The Ouigo high speed seats are way less confortable than the "Corail" one (which are shown in the video).
How does the noise in the passenger carriages compare to more modern equipment?
La première fois que j'ai vu des photos des Corails en rose, j'ai trouvé ça assez étrange, mais maintenant, je crois que je commence à bien l'aimer!
The first time I saw pictures of those Corails coaches in pink, I told myself that it was really weird, but I think now I'm liking it!
idem/same
Well you get what you pay for I suppose. Not sure I see the appeal but I guess it's nice for the super duper cost conscious traveler. If you can't book a connecting journey I'm not sure the value added of servicing intermittent non LGV stops. Maybe a more useful service would be a low cost feeder option allowing those in smaller communities to access existing high speed service under one ouigo umbrella
It’s a shame that the seat covers were not in the same colours as the exterior and likewise with the provision of power sockets. A decent interior would’ve made it bright and zingy! Also some form of at seat catering on the part of SNCF/Ouigo would be a welcome development on this service. Perhaps this is something that SNCF will consider by adding a catering car to the consist in the future?
For me, It's a surprise to see Corail cars still running on SNCF services in France.
I really hope these are still good for service and won't fail too much 😕
@@fanfan54old why would they fail ? They have been well updated are very reliable and are super comfy
If it ain't broke
They are probably the most reliable train cars of the world. Well maintened
Some TER services are also in Corail trains like Paris - Strasbourg, Paris - Orleans - Tours (mixed with the newer Omneo Premium trains), Marseille - Nice (mixed with TER 2NNG and Regio2N trains), Strasbourg - Bale...
15:30 well that's a nice SBB sweater! what about it?
It's here you can see than the BB22000 (like other of the "nez cassés" series) is one of the most beautiful locomotives in the world. even with this horrible livery, she is beautiful 😂
I have some question for Simply Railways Channel, Why Simply Railways didn't try the Indonesia Intercity trains?
Maybe it's too far from France and they couldn't travel to Indonesia... for now? 😅😅😅
What would be useful is either a small drinks trolley or somewhere maybe a vending machine on board where such basic things as water may be purchased.
Nice video. Thank you for your upload.
Nice and interesting shots. Very nice that you gave many information and it was really cool to see the different impressions of the station, the ride and the train.😃
I like the idea to have low-coast and normal trains for high-speed and intercity services. So you have for each category more options, great. Funny for me is that you told years ago in one of your Ouigo-TGV videos that Sncf should run low-coast intercity trains too. Now they do.
La livrée est trop criarde. C'est ainsi car c'est un train low-cost pour les jeunes. Alors ceux et celles qui ont très peu d'argent peuvent aller souvent à Paris et retour. Pour y faire des courses, des achats au détriment des magasins locaux en province. Cela compromet les efforts de renforcer la campagne et les villes moyennes. Le rôle très dominant de Paris est maintenu et renforcé. La majorité des Francais le veut ainsi. Que l'on ne se plaigne pas de cette dominance parisienne..... Je suis Allemand, mon francais est imparfait.
The livery is too loud, but I like the big windows on Corail coaches. The seats look joined together like a bench. Do the individual seats recline?
no the seats dont recline the older ones where Thibaut sat at first were changed at the beginning of the century if i remember rightly
Classic French... striking!
Sure it would be nice to have a charging point but I actually prefer these interiors to the new ouigo ones. There’s also something so nice about the way these trains ride.
the engine looks like a 70's Winnebago 😏
Est-il possible d’emprunter ces trains entre paris et Versailles ou massy ou étampes par exemple (comme pour les TER) où est-ce interdit ? (Comme pour les TGV)
J'ai regardé sur le site de la SNCF c'est impossible de réserver entre ces gares
@@sam.g7278 C’est pas une question de réservation mais juste d’avoir le droit d’emprunter la ligne, car normalement le pass navigo fait office dans tous les trains (hors exception) dans les zones 1-5, pour ça qu’on peut emprunter un ter entre mantes et paris par exemple. Jusqu’à lors seul les TGV faisaient exception, les intercités ne l’étaient pas (il est par exemple possible d’emprunter un corail INTERCITÉ entre Gare de Lyon et Melun)
@@fugf1623 Étant intéressé par le sujet vu que je dois laisser passer les TGV qui font Massy ↔️ Versailles et les trains NOMAD qui font Montparnasse ↔️ Versailles...
De ce que j'ai compris (et de ce que j'avais lu sur un forum de la SNCF), on ne peut pas monter avec un pass Navigo dans un train à reservation obligatoire 😔 donc TGV, OUIGO, train NOMAD (je parle des Paris Montparnasse ↔️ Granville notamment, il est expressément indiqué sur les écrans et sites de la sncf qu'il est interdit de les emprunter pour faire Montparnasse ↔️ Versailles Chantiers)...
Ça fait sens... mais c'est dommage 😔
Il est également impossible d'acheter un billet TGV inOui entre Massy et Versailles par exemple, alors pourtant que certains TGV (Marseille ↔️ Le Havre) desservent ces 2 gares... 😕 😕 😕
@@fugf1623 De ce que j'ai compris, si le TER est sans réservation / placement libre, et que l'on peut valider (valideur à dispo sur le quai), alors c'est bon.
Pour avoir déjà pris un train NOMAD à Versailles Chantiers sans savoir, je me suis rendu compte que les trains arrivaient au hall 3 de Montparnasse, qui n'a pas de valideurs Navigo sur les quais, preuve qu'on ne peut pas les prendre avec un pass Navigo.
De la même manière que les TER ne peuvent pas être empruntés avec un ticket origine destination, vu que par exemple à Montparnasse on trouve sur les quais des TER des valideurs n'acceptant que les Navigo.
Ce train est à réservation obligatoire, comme tout les Ouigo.
7:12 - one thing has changed: the folded curtains, typical for corail coaches, are gone.
And some seats too were replaced... But not all of them
You sure are fussy :)
フランス国有鉄道のBB22200やトレニタリアのE402等の後継版を、フランス国有鉄道（アルストム）とトレニタリア（日立レール）が共同で開発し、フランスとイタリアで乗務員の乗換だけで相互運用ができる体制を構築すれば、経費や時間のロスを削減することに加え、部品やメンテナンス工場、車庫の共通化ができて良いと思います。そして、現行の車両は、ウクライナとロシアの関係は、停戦したとしても当分不安定の状態になると思いますので、ウクライナに提供し、フランスとイタリアは、この機に新車両に置換えて、サービスの強化と安定化、効率化、維持費の合理的削減をすれば良いと思います。
加えて、パリとミラノ間（リヨン経由）を3時間30分で接続する為に、高速鉄道用トンネルの開通を早期に実現して欲しです。
A well balanced report. At least you have a classic train (in pink) to travel on. Railcars seem to make up the bulk of all travel that isn't high speed today, so very happy to see it. Hoping to get back to France soon. Saw my first Corail coach at Calais in 1979. They were new and exciting then! Just glad that they made it this far.
These train look just like Indian 80 mph night sleeper trains from the outside 👍
I would ride these AS LONG AS THEY'RE CLEAN.I rode a TER recently to Strasbourg... I wish SNCF paid attention. The windows were scratched, the train was dusty and dirty, the pneumatic doors needed service. You can feel the Corails were QUALITY built, but they are begging for a refresh. SNCF NEEDS to order NEW "CORAIL 2" cars from Alstom....
It looks like Ouigo is offereng a superior product on their Corail equipment... Time for SNCF to pay attention to the TER Corails in GrandEst...
Un Ouigolent on pourrait en rire, mais c'est à pleurer. La SNCF réinvente la 3ème classe plutôt que de revitaliser le réseau secondaire. Pour faire un même trajet, Nantes Angers par exemple, elle demande 9 € en Ouigolent, 13,5 € en TGV, et 14,70 en TER pourtant déjà financé par le conseil régional des Pays de la Loire, avec nos impôts donc... Une honte, ou un scandale, comme on voudra. La SNCF ne nous transporte pas, elle nous roule !
high speed is unnecessary
@SimplyRailway Coming from Switzerland a country with only 10% the size of France and 10 times the funding for rail. France is better in all ways ok prices, friendly staff witch likes there jobs. I had to travel to a meeting in France and took the train. This trip changed my mind about what a good train is, it’s not a stadler flirt “bus“ witch costs 30€ for 50km and takes 1h 20min, it’s SNCF TER corail trains cheap, reliable and punctual. This is a very good train witch should be expanded to more routes. Btw. SNCF has a better on time performance than SBB if you leave out unattended Bags something SBB does not stop a train for.
Those coaches still have really big windows, I'm impressed and jealous of the natural light you get in there!
Enjoyable video, thanks. I agree, it's a real pity that they've not upgraded and standardised the interiors. Using the high speed services across France cuts journey times, but the beautiful French scenery whizzes by so quickly it's difficult to really appreciate it sometimes. I like the fact that they're re-introducing more 'classic' services.
You for sure are a very spoiled tourist. The people that uses these kind of services donnt complain. Not every train needs to be super duper luxurious and 1st class. These people dont care about it, they only care about good reliable transportation for a good price, wich is what this exactly is. I always cringe at your negativity with some trains, as you obviously dont understand the principle of a " cheaper " train. I wish we had these locos still in the neterlands, we could have done the same as SNCF did, but sadly the NS ( nederlandse spoorwegen ) sold most of them including the coaches 🥲