@@MikeSmith-rd9fi you can feel the difference, my birkin feels like it has a new engine and picks up another 10kph topspeed without the screen, you do need to get as low as possible to stop your helmet beginning to lift.
@@resnonverba137 You can go three ways: Light with fast acceleration although light means less space for everything, so parts need to be reliable and durable. Heavy and powerful now you need casted parts and very good part to handle weight, meaning more money. OR medium weight with tons of downforce and mid-size engine that can stay with heavy but handle right light. Medium weight cars modified remind me of GT3 cars
I'd be interested in seeing what the 620R package could ultimately "do" on Spa or the "ring" with an ultra-light weight carbon fiber/epoxy, Lotus 11 streamlined body fitted.
It would be good to see what an aero 620r just on its own would do round spa. I get a 2m50s lap in my standard 310r around spa, with double the power to weight and a sequential the 620r would get a pretty decent time 👌🏻
i have a 981 Cayman S and a 7 not a 620 though its closer to a 420performance wise. Two totally different driving experiences. The Cayman is much quicker and more balanced in long sweeping corners it also has the delightful mid engine central feel that just begs you to crazy things in it, in a straight line over 80-90mph it just destroys the 7 on acceleration, 7's hit a brick wall over 60mph, they have the power to weight to push through the wall but they start to get very brutal on the senses. The 7 is a lot more nimble, its got a lot more play to place it where you want mid corner, not to say the Cayman isn't good, in fact its really good but the 7 is just lighter so it cant be beat for ease of placement. you need to be a better driver to drive the 7 quickly it will switch ends on you in a heartbeat, the rear is very lively and the front is pretty heavy, if your reactions are not lightning quick it will get away from you. the Cayman is a lot lot more progressive in its breakaway, its very easy to go very quick in with very limited skill in a Cayman. when it comes to track days the 7 is more of an experience to drive its just more raw and exciting but the Cayman gives you 95% of it and you can drive it home in the rain and not have the thing throw you into a ditch on the side of the road. one thing with the Cayman is if you mess up on track its going to really hurt the pocket! parts for the 7 are pretty cheap and available. the 7 has to be the most repairable car on the planet, even if you bend/tweak the chassis it can be easily fixed and a new chassis is cheaper than a single panel for the Porsche. which would i rather be in if i crashed? the Porsche every time. which one do i drive the fastest? The 7!
I had a seven with a 260 HP Cosworth engine topped out at 156 mph and did the 1/4 mile in 12.6 @110 mph didn’t have too many Porsche problems LOL. His screens too large will kill top speed
You should try a mapped 620, very little will look at it up to 140, inc GT3rs. Completely different league to the 420, leads the big boys on a short track. Driven a mapped 718 Cayman- very quick, capable and underestimated car.
Yeah they do for sure, I own a Westfield kit car running a rotrex charged Honda S2000 engine so very similar performance to the 620r and after flat out in 4th at 110 mph it tapers off
Clearly fake.... What gives it away is multiple BMW drivers using their indicators, which is an impossibility.... But seriously- great driving, looks like you and the car were having a nice little blast.
Whatever car you have, someone has a faster one. There's usually someone who is a better driver, or at least knows the track better than you too, which means the fastest (on paper) car doesn't always 'win'. As a former Caterham owner, I honestly thought the Caterham was just enjoying playing games with the Porsche driver, who clearly didn't appear happy that his pride and joy couldn't shake off a kit car. Cornering wise, the Caterham seemed to have plenty left in reserve. In expert hands, the Atom and the 7 are usually fairly evenly matched.
@@1061shrink1061 Ha! I was noticing this, too. Off the racing line, which meant he wasn't using all track or the car most efficiently/effectively. There was more track and car left.
Excellent job. Youll be even faster with an aeroscreen and we will be able to see the track and cars ahead of you sooooo much better. That rear view mirror kinda spoilt things a tad. Great vid though
It's me or I was expecting a bit more straight line acceleration being a 620R? Nevertheless, I love those cars. Maybe it is for a limited top speed that the GT4 always comes again at the end of the fast zones?
pretty sure that model is around 155mph top speed, but depending on the license you may have to keep it under 120. Definitely looks like he comes off the throttle a lot once he's over 100 so I'm going with the second.
@@OoogaBoog could just be that he doesn't want to do the top speed. I have a Tiger which is a similar style car, albeit nowhere near as good in terms of performance and honestly they're scary over 70 because they're so open and lightweight. The 620r is much better of course, but I wouldn't want to hit 155mph in one!
That yellow Porsche was a pain. You were clearly faster then it; it just held you up everywhere except for the straight. So frustrating. Ruins your day
Spa is a power track but was surprised to see the Caterham maxing our through Eau Rouge and not down the Kemmel Straight. The GT4 just had better top speed
Could have overtaken him and walked away except for the limited top speed on the straights. I assume due to high drag. Once you get up there it's a real detriment,
@Keirnon Grainger I have not driver a 620R but a tuned duratec with 300bhp and i own my self a R400K and John is right. The cars was way under the limit.
Interesting track day. Accident waiting to happen? Passed on both sides at once. Well done nevertheless. I had the same issue with my tuned Supersport R playing with a 650s at Knockhill. Zero chance after about 110.
you were only having fun with the Porsche because it was blocked the whole time. when he was able to drive freely through the last chicane for the first time he said bye bye to you. and you didn't have a chance to stay tuned.
Que show esse carro ,tambem fiz uma corrida com ele ,só que no virtual rsrsrsrsrs...... What a show this car, I also did a race with it, only in virtual lol......
PORSCHE, ARIEL ATOM & CATERHAM 7 [to McLaren]: Come *on,* Grandpa! Drag it off the road! Moron! MCLAREN [Muttering to self]: I've told these kids a million times to slow down. Maniacs.
please remove Rear View mirror. obstructs video view. nice, I was there for first time in July 2019 M2 Comp. Two short of a course. One has to make the same mistake every 3 minutes or so.
Not one for rules....As the 'Ring is a public road, you must treat it as so. Therefore, you should always be as careful as possible while overtaking, and only overtake on the left. You shouldn't overtake on the right, and you must take extreme care so as to not endanger anyone else on the road. When you drive the 'Ring, you're not racing.
Take the windscreen off it will feel like a new car.
Someone said that to me too...!
Yes it's better
@@nickknatterham7743 in what way?
@@MikeSmith-rd9fi you can feel the difference, my birkin feels like it has a new engine and picks up another 10kph topspeed without the screen, you do need to get as low as possible to stop your helmet beginning to lift.
Better yet, replace it with a roll cage.
This proves 50 years of development of trying to fly a pig is worth nothing.
The lighter. The better.
Generally, I would agree. However the Nissan GTR was designed to be 'heavy' as it aided traction off the line.
@@resnonverba137 You can go three ways: Light with fast acceleration although light means less space for everything, so parts need to be reliable and durable. Heavy and powerful now you need casted parts and very good part to handle weight, meaning more money. OR medium weight with tons of downforce and mid-size engine that can stay with heavy but handle right light. Medium weight cars modified remind me of GT3 cars
Is that GT4 a mid engined Cayman?
@@resnonverba137 Your understanding of basic physics is lacking.
@@donaldasayers No Donald, it isn't, far from it. You should read a little about the GTR and about Shiro Nakamura before making silly comments.
Porsche passes on the straight then gets in the way on all the bends
6:32 That moment you know your car is really fast
7:25 That moment when you know your £62k caterham is really slow
Appreciate the cockpit eye view onboard!
I'd be interested in seeing what the 620R package could ultimately "do" on Spa or the "ring" with an ultra-light weight carbon fiber/epoxy, Lotus 11 streamlined body fitted.
It would be good to see what an aero 620r just on its own would do round spa. I get a 2m50s lap in my standard 310r around spa, with double the power to weight and a sequential the 620r would get a pretty decent time 👌🏻
sub 2:40 for sure@@blairmcconachie
i have a 981 Cayman S and a 7 not a 620 though its closer to a 420performance wise. Two totally different driving experiences. The Cayman is much quicker and more balanced in long sweeping corners it also has the delightful mid engine central feel that just begs you to crazy things in it, in a straight line over 80-90mph it just destroys the 7 on acceleration, 7's hit a brick wall over 60mph, they have the power to weight to push through the wall but they start to get very brutal on the senses. The 7 is a lot more nimble, its got a lot more play to place it where you want mid corner, not to say the Cayman isn't good, in fact its really good but the 7 is just lighter so it cant be beat for ease of placement. you need to be a better driver to drive the 7 quickly it will switch ends on you in a heartbeat, the rear is very lively and the front is pretty heavy, if your reactions are not lightning quick it will get away from you. the Cayman is a lot lot more progressive in its breakaway, its very easy to go very quick in with very limited skill in a Cayman. when it comes to track days the 7 is more of an experience to drive its just more raw and exciting but the Cayman gives you 95% of it and you can drive it home in the rain and not have the thing throw you into a ditch on the side of the road. one thing with the Cayman is if you mess up on track its going to really hurt the pocket! parts for the 7 are pretty cheap and available. the 7 has to be the most repairable car on the planet, even if you bend/tweak the chassis it can be easily fixed and a new chassis is cheaper than a single panel for the Porsche. which would i rather be in if i crashed? the Porsche every time. which one do i drive the fastest? The 7!
I had a seven with a 260 HP Cosworth engine topped out at 156 mph and did the 1/4 mile in 12.6 @110 mph didn’t have too many Porsche problems LOL. His screens too large will kill top speed
You should try a mapped 620, very little will look at it up to 140, inc GT3rs. Completely different league to the 420, leads the big boys on a short track.
Driven a mapped 718 Cayman- very quick, capable and underestimated car.
Looks like the aerodynamics really kill you from 115mph onwards
Yeah they do for sure, I own a Westfield kit car running a rotrex charged Honda S2000 engine so very similar performance to the 620r and after flat out in 4th at 110 mph it tapers off
@@mattvaughan180 Yep...I'm building a VW Beetle powered UVA Fugitive, so i'm gonna have the same problem...at 70mph
@@ianbrown9082 oh very nice..never heard of one of them so had to google, these kit cars are as aerodynamic as a brick 😂
Clearly fake....
What gives it away is multiple BMW drivers using their indicators, which is an impossibility....
But seriously- great driving, looks like you and the car were having a nice little blast.
Great video, but what the hell was in that bug!
Looks to me that he was held in traffic in a few places. Waiting patiently while people were diving past.
It should be able to go
faster at that top speed tho
And then an Aerial Atom turns up and pissed on their bonfire. 😂
Whatever car you have, someone has a faster one. There's usually someone who is a better driver, or at least knows the track better than you too, which means the fastest (on paper) car doesn't always 'win'. As a former Caterham owner, I honestly thought the Caterham was just enjoying playing games with the Porsche driver, who clearly didn't appear happy that his pride and joy couldn't shake off a kit car. Cornering wise, the Caterham seemed to have plenty left in reserve. In expert hands, the Atom and the 7 are usually fairly evenly matched.
The Atom looked a bit twitchy, looked like both over and under steer on the same corner.
GT4 being driven near its limit, the Caterham nowhere near
If the intention was for him never to hit any of the apex correctly, or use all the track on exit, it was definitely a success!
@@1061shrink1061 Ha! I was noticing this, too. Off the racing line, which meant he wasn't using all track or the car most efficiently/effectively. There was more track and car left.
Caterham was hopeless. So many buy these cars and don't have the talent to drive them remotely close to the limit. Horribly under driven.
He'd be faster with out the wind shield.
Excellent job. Youll be even faster with an aeroscreen and we will be able to see the track and cars ahead of you sooooo much better. That rear view mirror kinda spoilt things a tad. Great vid though
I was hoping you were gonna be flat through Eau Rouge!
Where did the Ariel go ;)
Ariel was driven like madman. Put some guy that would drive 620r like it is supposed to it's over.
It's me or I was expecting a bit more straight line acceleration being a 620R? Nevertheless, I love those cars.
Maybe it is for a limited top speed that the GT4 always comes again at the end of the fast zones?
pretty sure that model is around 155mph top speed, but depending on the license you may have to keep it under 120. Definitely looks like he comes off the throttle a lot once he's over 100 so I'm going with the second.
@@OoogaBoog could just be that he doesn't want to do the top speed. I have a Tiger which is a similar style car, albeit nowhere near as good in terms of performance and honestly they're scary over 70 because they're so open and lightweight. The 620r is much better of course, but I wouldn't want to hit 155mph in one!
That yellow Porsche was a pain. You were clearly faster then it; it just held you up everywhere except for the straight. So frustrating. Ruins your day
My goodness can you ever drive on a race track in Europe without an E36 going around?
Spoiler alert: it's the SAME E36.
Spoiler alert : that Beetle!
@@cachebangwallop3482 Those are Beetle Fun Cup cars... mid-engine, tube chassis, no actual Beetle involved.
Nice smooth driving on a busy track, but you might find, that the GT4 was pretty much standard 👍🏼 just saying Peter
Hi,
Please see above reply....... you are right! It was slow
Looks like a good fun day out, nice one mate👍🏼
Complete with regular windshield . First designed in the 1950's ,constantly updated .
Needs another cog and an aero package, but man what grunt through the gears, that super charger really does its job, top driving that man!!!
Seems to hit a brick wall at 100-110 mph. Shame really. No good for most tracks except little tight ones.
Drove the Atom on a track! Need I say more 😎
who cares
Bro never saw that Porsche till doomsday 😂😂😂😂😂🇵🇰
It's a stock Gt4. Tuned? Sure it was mate, if it makes you feel better😂🤡
Shame about the windscreen, lots of drag
Spa is a power track but was surprised to see the Caterham maxing our through Eau Rouge and not down the Kemmel Straight. The GT4 just had better top speed
aero bro
Could have overtaken him and walked away except for the limited top speed on the straights. I assume due to high drag. Once you get up there it's a real detriment,
bravo , mais pourquoi faire la fin du dernier tour au ralentis ?
il y avait un probleme sur la voiture ?
Getting stuck in traffic can be so frustrating in a Caterham.
Man..I wish they had these inCanada, and at reasonable price, not 200k...
I see atom ....
You can play with GT4
but can you play with the atom?
I thought the 620 could hit 150? Seems to max out at 120 here 🤔
123at 4;25
The thumb nail looks like a video game 🎮
LOVED the Red Bug ! Porsche Powered , presumably .
Were you speed limited ? I thought 620's could do 150-ish .
He might have been hanging back. I've watched a 620R going blindingly fast at the Nurburgring
Took the Porsche to show you how to pass.
Cart 🛒 overtake Porsche shame 😤😭😭😭
🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰😂😂😂
Shame your interior mirror was on line of sight otherwise 👍
too much traffic. the caterham must go 13 sec. faster. the gt4 would fuck me up. go faster and let him behind. should be no prob.
With better audio this video would have been perfect. I'm surprised by just how capable it is.
Are you absolutely sure it’s a 620? It says 630 on the windscreen.
No HANS device?
whats the tuning on the Porsche? looks entirely stock
Seems slow for 620 should be able to leave the past behind a better without the windscreen or tilting it back
@Keirnon Grainger it literally does look slow
Don't think it was even half throttle. A 620 is a monster would murder everything out of the corners with ease if driven hard
@Keirnon Grainger I have not driver a 620R but a tuned duratec with 300bhp and i own my self a R400K and John is right. The cars was way under the limit.
@@MrLeeson660 👍
Hi,
Please see above reply....... you are right! It was.
Again Porsche overtake cart 🛒
Good
Beautiful view
Que lindo.
Interesting track day. Accident waiting to happen? Passed on both sides at once. Well done nevertheless. I had the same issue with my tuned Supersport R playing with a 650s at Knockhill. Zero chance after about 110.
Brits day out? All seem to be Brit plates.
Where's the fun, I just see traffic
Porsche driver is in pressure
Gt4 drive like granny
Cart 🛒 vs bugs OMG 😁😳
Best ad for an Atom I've ever seen.
The guy driving the caterham was very average ,put a good young cart driver in it and he would have embarrassed them all .
This can’t be a 620R
you were only having fun with the Porsche because it was blocked the whole time. when he was able to drive freely through the last chicane for the first time he said bye bye to you. and you didn't have a chance to stay tuned.
Those pesky VW beetles are tough to pass, aren’t they!
It's like a video game with them blocking
What type of brakes do you have?
HOT
DURATEC🔥💪😁👍💥🚀
Grocery cart 🛒 vs Porsche 😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
This car is the definition of a crotch rocket
Bit surprised anything caught a 620r up on the track.
It wouldn't have had there been a proper driver in it , the car wasn't anywhere near it's limits .
Great video, really enjoyed it. You look like a big lad. Curious how tall you are and how you find the room in the cockpit?
Hi,
I'm 6 foot 2, and was 15 stone here. Standard body with lowered floors and it was perfect. Now 14 stone and even better :-)
Nice Lap! Too crowded
Enjoy it
Que show esse carro ,tambem fiz uma corrida com ele ,só que no virtual rsrsrsrsrs......
What a show this car, I also did a race with it, only in virtual lol......
PORSCHE, ARIEL ATOM & CATERHAM 7 [to McLaren]: Come *on,* Grandpa! Drag it off the road! Moron!
MCLAREN [Muttering to self]: I've told these kids a million times to slow down. Maniacs.
It is slow for a 620...
It ain't the car, it's the DRIVER.
@@paullubliner6221 :)
@@A3T Hi,
Please see above reply....... you are right! It was.
@@paullubliner6221 Please also see above reply..... challenge offered to all :-)
@@TheLifeOfWalsh i just read your explanation.....glad they fixed it and it is running as it should now.
Why was everybody in a bmw?
BMWs are like Chevys in Europe.
@@markm0000 No idea what that’s supposed to mean
Caterham needs a 6 speed box.
it is
The gearing is very short. Anyways you can’t drive these cars much faster than 150 or it starts lifting off the track.
Why keep lifting off through eau rouge????!!!
I thought this was a computer game.....😳 Help.
please remove Rear View mirror. obstructs video view.
nice, I was there for first time in July 2019 M2 Comp. Two short of a course. One has to make the same mistake every 3 minutes or so.
'Two short of a course'? It's two WHAT short of a course? Or do you mean 'too short a course'?
Unless you weren't spanking it but it does seem slow
Hi,
Please see above reply....... you are right! It was.
I had a 620 R and think this is fake !👎
Yeah it is a Chinese copy hence why it could overtake a tuned gt4
無双するかとおもいきや
Not one for rules....As the 'Ring is a public road, you must treat it as so. Therefore, you should always be as careful as possible while overtaking, and only overtake on the left. You shouldn't overtake on the right, and you must take extreme care so as to not endanger anyone else on the road. When you drive the 'Ring, you're not racing.
Hi,
This comment would make sense, if this was the "ring"
This is Spa De Franchorps race track on a private track day lol
@@TheLifeOfWalsh That's what i thought.