It's just fascinating, do people actually submit these imbalance complaints in earnest? Like did Heat really, truly, believe he was ahead after losing 2 hatcheries and dealing no actual harass damage??
"Its like putting binoculars up your butt and then being suprised that you cant see so well and also that your behind is going to hurt." Harstem 2023 Haha. Harstem your metaphors are next to none. I smashed the like button right then and there.
This is why you never should believe when people say they get cheesed, play a hacker, a unit is imba, etc. Most players are just garbage. I'm garbage too. But you gotta realize when you're garbage.
I'm genuinely in disbelief that this is a diamond level game. This was attrocious lmfao. Really, the game isn't too hard to get better at. You only have yourself to improve, so you don't need to worry about anything but yourself. If you think you're garbage, all I can really say is practice a build and make sure you're constantly making units and scouting. It may even be the race you're playing isn't for you. I started with terran in 2012 got to gold and kept falling back to silver until I swapped to protoss and shot to platinum in 2013. It doesn't take too much, just build stuff constantly and watch your own replays.
@@DevilWearsAdidas I'm a Diamond player, former Masters, and I still think I'm so bad at this game. Which is what makes SC2 so interesting and rewarding - the skill cap is practically infinite. As soon as you start blaming the game for your losses, you fail to make progress. I don't think I'm more mechanically gifted than a Gold league player typically, my APM isn't even that high (like 120-140 avg), but I think about every game I play - why did I lose, why did I win, what could I have done differently, etc. Watching replays helps a lot too. Often you can see a moment in the game where you had a good chance to win, but you blew it or just sat back and let it pass.
Producing 7 drones when 5 carriers are chasing your 2 hydra army is just a sight to behold... 15:04 As is producing 6 overlords when you're at 90/162 supply 12:10.... Chef's kisssss***
As an old Terran main, I found it interesting how well Heat took the loss with the :D... Until Harstem pointed out that it was sarcastic and I truly understood. Thank you, Captain.
I mean, mass carriers are supposed to be powerful, right? If your opponent is massing endgame units, and you have neither endgame units nor ridiculous numbers, of course you're going to get destroyed.
I stopped cannon rushing a few years ago so I could learn how to macro. Then I stopped playing air toss so I could be better at micro and using differenr armies. Now I think I should go back and have fun with it
I HAVE to say this: I am SO GRATEFUL about the last patch! The priority change of the Interceptors are an absolute blessing. I am about the same MMR as the "complainer". In the past I would loose at least 90% of my ZvP lategames in case they decided to go mass Carriers. Now I am winning most of those games. And when I loose I made some obvious mistakes. Corruptors are absolute Carrier-Killers! And since you don't need to clump them anymore, Archons and Storms are by far not as big of a threat nowadays. I cannot believe that people STILL go Hydras vs Carriers. Especially if you have the Spire already.
Yeah that helped a lot! To be honest me and I believe some zerg players see the hydras as zerg marines and want to use them as general purpose units, but unfortunately they are little less than baby lurkers. And so goes the saying "getting stuck into hydras"
He lacked gas for Corruptors. Typically you don't have much gas early on as a Zerg, which makes it harder to transition, he also wasted the little he had on muta.
Just for the people trying to type out the imba timestamp URL, it's this: ruclips.net/video/3jcGiFEMITQ/видео.html thank you for watching is youtube broken or do i suck see you all next week
lol, that typing thing is what I did back in Brood war, I had macros on my keyboard that wrote some stuff in chat :D it took like a second and I just had to press a button to make my opponent start thinking :-D
The first queen walking to the.... "natural" (I guess?) got me WTF? But on the second one going for the attack (due to the recall of the void ray) I burst on laughing :D
also doesnt make a single corrupter the entire game even though he already had the spire and had plenty of time to build them after he saw the first carrier.
There's something interesting that you mention every now and then. Around 13:25 you mentioned him making that move "without a goal". I don't play SC2 anymore but I remember as a diamond player I'd play the game and just do things (unless I was following some sort of timing attack build). I think most people do this. Even outside of starcraft. Chess, jiujitsu, whatever it is, people just kind of do things without a foundation of Intent and foresight most of the time. Myself included (unless it's something I'm good at, but even then)
I think that's kind of his point though. At diamond, you might be able to do well without having a specific goal or intent. But in order to progress, you need learn that foresight from previous games. Just like getting better at chess, jiujitsu, etc
haha, funny to see a LittleWarGame pro here. when will you do an is it imba or do I suck in LittleWarGame. Dear sqrtofnegone, raiders and catapults are imba.
As a former grocery worker the bread section is usually always at the beginning of the market next to the fruits so people go in because it smells nice and wont rush.
Wasn't there a cheese strat that Harstem did that relied on the enemy replying to a message to distract him so he couldn't respond to a worker pull or something in time?
I think it would be good if hamster watched the replay with Harstem so that he could explain in real time what is in the mind of a non pro player when they do illogical stuff 😅
How TF did this dude get to Diamond if he doesn't know the most basic counter to carriers? His spire was even built long before smh. Unsupported carriers are very easily counterable.
He didn't just get to Diamond, that mmr is close to Master league.. I sometimes wonder how many of these replays that get sent in are staged. This game really reminded me of my experiences in Silver/Gold back when I started playing in 2017.
I'm still at the complaint formula, and i already can tell this will be sweet! There is nothing i like more when the enemy protos makes "MASS carriers" a few corrutors targetfireing them is the most fabulous scene! i LOVE IT! (but i guess you can also use hydras ... better than roaches or lings :D
1:57 3-5 years ago I use to play sc2 a lot and when I intended to cheese, I would talk to my opponent and have a convo while cheesing them. It helped distract them and they made more errors replying to me.
Macroing when protoss turtles and build carriers... tried that multiple times. Then the protoss slowly expands behind cannons and battery, until he has an army I can't beat anymore
im not saying he was right, but the dude clearly put a lot of stock in the fact that he had 3 hatcheries, didn't really consider how long it took him to get them, or how many drones were at those bases. @@Nomadsc2
Hey Kevin, I know you need to extend it out for content, but the game was over 5 minutes in. Anything will feel imba when playing from a losing position.
"It's like putting binoculars up your butt and then being surprised that you can't see so well and that your butt hurts." One of Harstem's best qualities is his witty ANALogies.
Cannon Rush requires at least 1.5 leagues higher worth of response to what it requires to execute. Even pros lose to it. You can tell people how to respond to it until you're blue in the face but the problem is that it just requires way more skill to respond to than most people are capable of executing
If that were true, a cannon rusher would quickly rise 1.5 leagues above you and get matched against opponents who will beat them 50% of the time. That's how MMR works. This "easier to execute than to defend" is bollocks
@@pablovirus Loads of strats are easier to execute than defend, cannon rush just isn't really one of them, requires decent micro and specific map knowledge. If you really want a strat that's easier to execute you would just proxy gate zealot or pick Zerg and do literally any all in with Zerg since they're all easy to execute.
This a player that chose Zerg because they look cool, and not because they understand what is required to play Zerg, which is droning up and having casters as their main tier 3 units.
I dont understand why he didnt scout with the worker (i do it every single time, every single matchup) and always see the forge and kill probes with my drones/defend with more drones cause I always expect the cannon rush after forge. Also, he didnt cancel the hatch which (imo) could cancel, then he didnt cancel the 2nd hatch when it was attacked by the zealot like what did he expect. And im also diamond, but 900 mmr lower. Im dia3 3100 MMR
From balance complaint form: the zerg has a spire and choses to build the mediocre hydra instead of the mighty corrupter when carriers come out? The hell is he on? Also, placing bets on no infestors built, and over 600 minerals floating at 5 minute mark.
As a P player, pure carriers don't usually beat pure hydra. As sad as it is. Of course, if your opponent has the same number of hydras as you have carriers the situation is different.
Harstem is so inclusive, he even explains to our fellow Terran players what that emoji means.
As a terran, I'm happy that I was finally included :D
@@elliejohnson2786being included is tight (tm) 😅😅😅 (terran also here)
I love how he doesn't even build a single corruptor despite already having the spire from his earlier muta plays and instead builds more hydras.
Some of these guys don’t belong at the mmr they are in lol, exact thought
exactly. Just mass ling corruptor can kill this 2 base carrier
Cute pfp
I'm suprised heat would even submit this game after he threw that temper tantrum he lacks any kind of self awareness
After a cannon rush, the zerg brain is whited out for approximately 1 hr. No consciousness is left.
Zazs is dead!
Enlighten us, what happened?
Cannons….so many cannons……
I love that the muta “harass” was literally just getting the Protoss to recall a single voidray while dealing literally 0 damage
Dealing negative damage if you count the losses taken for that fly-by ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
wtf it killed like 3 probes in my eyesight
That recall could have been a chrono which when missed can ruin a build. (S)
killed 5 workers, hardly 0 damage but still not worth
@@LivingTh1ng5 workers for building 5 mutas and a spire in a low eco game where the opponent already had the tech to counter it. It's negative damage
The classic get destroyed earlygame, be behind for the entire rest of the game, then swear they were winning and enemy is IMBA. 😂
To be fair, the enemy *is* imba. But it's not because of an imbalance in the game ;)
How is he supposed to know he's actually behind? There is no way to know those things.
@@KenjaTimu man i don't even play and i can tell you the answer is by scouting
@@KenjaTimu watch his replay before sending it in?
I was being sarcastic.
It's just fascinating, do people actually submit these imbalance complaints in earnest? Like did Heat really, truly, believe he was ahead after losing 2 hatcheries and dealing no actual harass damage??
I mean given his comments at the end of the game, clearly yes.
He has drain bamage from years of compulsive gaming.
"B1GgR AppM wi1z :Đ" logic
I reckon there are probably a bunch just looking for free coaching and make something up
bu bu bu but he killed 5 probes, think about ECO lead and OWNAGE he dealt to toss... I would say he deserved a win :P
"Its like putting binoculars up your butt and then being suprised that you cant see so well and also that your behind is going to hurt."
Harstem 2023
Haha. Harstem your metaphors are next to none. I smashed the like button right then and there.
This is why you never should believe when people say they get cheesed, play a hacker, a unit is imba, etc. Most players are just garbage. I'm garbage too. But you gotta realize when you're garbage.
I'm genuinely in disbelief that this is a diamond level game. This was attrocious lmfao. Really, the game isn't too hard to get better at. You only have yourself to improve, so you don't need to worry about anything but yourself. If you think you're garbage, all I can really say is practice a build and make sure you're constantly making units and scouting. It may even be the race you're playing isn't for you. I started with terran in 2012 got to gold and kept falling back to silver until I swapped to protoss and shot to platinum in 2013. It doesn't take too much, just build stuff constantly and watch your own replays.
@@DevilWearsAdidas I play better than this Zerg, and I still play the Campaign on Casual.
@@DevilWearsAdidas I'm a Diamond player, former Masters, and I still think I'm so bad at this game. Which is what makes SC2 so interesting and rewarding - the skill cap is practically infinite. As soon as you start blaming the game for your losses, you fail to make progress.
I don't think I'm more mechanically gifted than a Gold league player typically, my APM isn't even that high (like 120-140 avg), but I think about every game I play - why did I lose, why did I win, what could I have done differently, etc.
Watching replays helps a lot too. Often you can see a moment in the game where you had a good chance to win, but you blew it or just sat back and let it pass.
Producing 7 drones when 5 carriers are chasing your 2 hydra army is just a sight to behold... 15:04
As is producing 6 overlords when you're at 90/162 supply 12:10.... Chef's kisssss***
panic production. Probably messed with keyboard.
As an old Terran main, I found it interesting how well Heat took the loss with the :D... Until Harstem pointed out that it was sarcastic and I truly understood. Thank you, Captain.
I love the fast forward with the super interesting sounding story ends XD
I mean, mass carriers are supposed to be powerful, right? If your opponent is massing endgame units, and you have neither endgame units nor ridiculous numbers, of course you're going to get destroyed.
yeah it's like complaining about losing in WC3 against Bear-form druids of the claw and you're using Footmen
@@pablovirusRetro examples? Sending Trikes to take out Devastators in Dune 2!
@@Kaefer1973 Good memories.
In my defense, I was like 8 years old, and Harkonens were totally imba.
@@lazaruslong697 Nukes, earliest Quads and Devastators? I guess so, but they lacked the fun of the Ordos Deviator.
I stopped cannon rushing a few years ago so I could learn how to macro. Then I stopped playing air toss so I could be better at micro and using differenr armies. Now I think I should go back and have fun with it
For the next 5 days at least. The Captain has spoken.
Anyone else notice he didn't cancel the second O.o he had every chance. I think that atleast the second pylon was done before the zerg second.
I HAVE to say this: I am SO GRATEFUL about the last patch! The priority change of the Interceptors are an absolute blessing. I am about the same MMR as the "complainer". In the past I would loose at least 90% of my ZvP lategames in case they decided to go mass Carriers. Now I am winning most of those games. And when I loose I made some obvious mistakes. Corruptors are absolute Carrier-Killers! And since you don't need to clump them anymore, Archons and Storms are by far not as big of a threat nowadays. I cannot believe that people STILL go Hydras vs Carriers. Especially if you have the Spire already.
Yeah that helped a lot! To be honest me and I believe some zerg players see the hydras as zerg marines and want to use them as general purpose units, but unfortunately they are little less than baby lurkers. And so goes the saying "getting stuck into hydras"
He lacked gas for Corruptors. Typically you don't have much gas early on as a Zerg, which makes it harder to transition, he also wasted the little he had on muta.
@@greenlitlleman Lacked gas eh, maybe if he actually put drones in his extractors he'd have a cool extra 700 gas from his 3rd base alone
Just for the people trying to type out the imba timestamp URL, it's this: ruclips.net/video/3jcGiFEMITQ/видео.html
thank you for watching is youtube broken or do i suck see you all next week
lol, that typing thing is what I did back in Brood war, I had macros on my keyboard that wrote some stuff in chat :D it took like a second and I just had to press a button to make my opponent start thinking :-D
The first queen walking to the.... "natural" (I guess?) got me WTF?
But on the second one going for the attack (due to the recall of the void ray) I burst on laughing :D
Instructions unclear. My doctor wanted me to tell you “binoculars don’t go there”
I love how dude sees air toss and doesn't build a single spore for 5 minutes 😂
also doesnt make a single corrupter the entire game even though he already had the spire and had plenty of time to build them after he saw the first carrier.
He had spire. Why no corruptors?
I think he thought hydra is a counter and strong against interceptors
Bcuz its not imba he suck
the "you suck" stamp at the end was what did it for me this video. I also loved the fast forwards to your story punch lines. very nice :)
There's something interesting that you mention every now and then. Around 13:25 you mentioned him making that move "without a goal". I don't play SC2 anymore but I remember as a diamond player I'd play the game and just do things (unless I was following some sort of timing attack build). I think most people do this. Even outside of starcraft. Chess, jiujitsu, whatever it is, people just kind of do things without a foundation of Intent and foresight most of the time. Myself included (unless it's something I'm good at, but even then)
I think that's kind of his point though. At diamond, you might be able to do well without having a specific goal or intent. But in order to progress, you need learn that foresight from previous games. Just like getting better at chess, jiujitsu, etc
@@Alex-pq2fv agreed. It's a great point and that kind of advice tends to come from people very good at their craft(no pun intended), like Harstem
A lot of new and cool edits harstem ur videos keep getting better a lot of love captain keep it up
A rare mistake out of hamster - the trade window at 7:50 shows pylons lost rather than probes.
But only for quick moment, it switches to show probes after 2 seconds...
I'm not even sure it wasn't intentional.
I thought it was making fun of all the extra supply that was build too quickly xD
There's also a mistake at 14:46 ; 27 * 15 + 50 + 100 = 555, not 655. Still love his editing though
haha, funny to see a LittleWarGame pro here. when will you do an is it imba or do I suck in LittleWarGame. Dear sqrtofnegone, raiders and catapults are imba.
The Unit info popups are sick! Love the editing, another wonderfull episode
*Trade info*
imagine being mad at carriers when you have corruptors
As a former grocery worker the bread section is usually always at the beginning of the market next to the fruits so people go in because it smells nice and wont rush.
Wasn't there a cheese strat that Harstem did that relied on the enemy replying to a message to distract him so he couldn't respond to a worker pull or something in time?
13:05 that's me right there
Same 😂
I think it would be good if hamster watched the replay with Harstem so that he could explain in real time what is in the mind of a non pro player when they do illogical stuff 😅
How TF did this dude get to Diamond if he doesn't know the most basic counter to carriers? His spire was even built long before smh. Unsupported carriers are very easily counterable.
He didn't just get to Diamond, that mmr is close to Master league.. I sometimes wonder how many of these replays that get sent in are staged. This game really reminded me of my experiences in Silver/Gold back when I started playing in 2017.
That's not the worst part, he doesn't know the basics. Like ninja bases are not something Zerg would want to do, getting a Lair for no reason.
@@Broformist 400 mmr off isn't that close to Masters, 3.85k isn't even Diamond 1.
Every time I go grocery shopping from here on out I'll think of Harstem shaking his fists and screaming "RAAHH, FRESH BREAD"
0:34 -- Harstem's *READING COMPREHENSION skills slacking !! ;]*
Nice content. uThermal just played SmarsA with his Zerg cheese. good stuff.
I'm still at the complaint formula, and i already can tell this will be sweet!
There is nothing i like more when the enemy protos makes "MASS carriers"
a few corrutors targetfireing them is the most fabulous scene! i LOVE IT! (but i guess you can also use hydras ... better than roaches or lings :D
Heat: *Gets owned all game*
Also Heat: "That's funny, you get owned all game and produce carriers"
Sorry for the discomfort my people have caused you. We'll send the tulips back.
1:57 3-5 years ago I use to play sc2 a lot and when I intended to cheese, I would talk to my opponent and have a convo while cheesing them. It helped distract them and they made more errors replying to me.
I remeber always being more alert and scouting for cheese when someone started talking to me, dont think its as effective as you perceived it to be.
8:57 I'm not surprised that this guy is a cannon rusher with that clan portrait. 🤣🤣🤣
It's a trap!
Macroing when protoss turtles and build carriers... tried that multiple times. Then the protoss slowly expands behind cannons and battery, until he has an army I can't beat anymore
Heat could have noticed the lack of warpgate and gateways and gone for vipers because of just that.
18:52 onwards... that is SOOO FUNNY!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hydras can even counter carriers but you need a lot and infestor for microbial shroud.
There's no way some of these aren't just trolling. I know i played bad, let's get harstem riled up
you might be right, but with that salt at then end? heat 100% thought that he responded well to the cannon rush and was actually ahead all game.
@@sillyking1991 oh yea for sure. Him and his 3 hydras
im not saying he was right, but the dude clearly put a lot of stock in the fact that he had 3 hatcheries, didn't really consider how long it took him to get them, or how many drones were at those bases. @@Nomadsc2
This replay belongs on PiG's Salt Mines series, this was amazing.
whats even sadder is that during all of the stupid second part of the game, dude HAD A SPIRE AND WENT INTO HYDRAS, build CORRUPTORS!!
Hey Kevin, I know you need to extend it out for content, but the game was over 5 minutes in. Anything will feel imba when playing from a losing position.
Only a protoss would use the phrase "this is an honorable cannon rusher"
4k MMR?! Zerg was floating 2k minerals while attacking into 2-Base Carrier/battery/canons with equal armysupply Hydras. Wasn't Heats day i guess ...
Video at .25 and replay the part that he tells the story of chasing a dunkey, what a funny story, holy crap
Let see what episode is here ! Look nice with images and extra comments 😂
The editing is heaps good, I love it
"It's like putting binoculars up your butt and then being surprised that you can't see so well and that your butt hurts."
One of Harstem's best qualities is his witty ANALogies.
7:45 @hamster 5pylons 😂😂😂
love how terrans have nothing to do here but Harstem still manage to roast them aniways
Can you please do a tutorial on how to cannonrush a zerg? I used to be able to do it in plat but since i got d2 my technique aint cutting it 😅
I always find people in online games who ask me where im from really weird. Like.. why? What do you care, we are playing a short match
Could you please make video with Lambo how to fully counter this as zerg? I tried it but i never win, please Harstem, help my with my struggle
Welp, time to learn to cannon rush.
why no cancels on proxy hatch
21:52 maybe i am blind but i can not find the sentence i owned my oponent the whole game or something around these lines in the complain.
said it in game chat, isn't in the complaint form
@@jackawaka thx
19:00 was hillarious lol
I feel personally attacked. I go to the grocery store & just meander around & buy what looks good.
Cannon Rush requires at least 1.5 leagues higher worth of response to what it requires to execute. Even pros lose to it. You can tell people how to respond to it until you're blue in the face but the problem is that it just requires way more skill to respond to than most people are capable of executing
If that were true, a cannon rusher would quickly rise 1.5 leagues above you and get matched against opponents who will beat them 50% of the time. That's how MMR works. This "easier to execute than to defend" is bollocks
@@pablovirus Loads of strats are easier to execute than defend, cannon rush just isn't really one of them, requires decent micro and specific map knowledge. If you really want a strat that's easier to execute you would just proxy gate zealot or pick Zerg and do literally any all in with Zerg since they're all easy to execute.
This a player that chose Zerg because they look cool, and not because they understand what is required to play Zerg, which is droning up and having casters as their main tier 3 units.
I dont understand why he didnt scout with the worker (i do it every single time, every single matchup) and always see the forge and kill probes with my drones/defend with more drones cause I always expect the cannon rush after forge.
Also, he didnt cancel the hatch which (imo) could cancel, then he didnt cancel the 2nd hatch when it was attacked by the zealot like what did he expect.
And im also diamond, but 900 mmr lower. Im dia3 3100 MMR
Harstem I have a feeling you need to watch your back at an event 😂
3:13 this is how Hamster gets the subs.
Did you catch the donkey after 7 days in the alps though?
18:56
hmmm....i believed you as an ally, i was mistaken ...
Boys !! Grab your double doubles and prepare to release the mooses and assault geese !
Maybe Heat switched from Starcraft Remastered to Starcraft 2 only recently? In Broodwar, mass Hydra is sorta kinda a legit response against Carriers.
Vipers are fun and very strong, Blizzard should make them available to players below Masters
My suspicions are always high when the submitter describes the game in the submission instead of the unit.
need to send this replay over to pig for his salt mines lmao
edit: including the detail that it was submitted by the salty player.
Thanks for the skipperino towards the end of the game editerino
10/10
what grocery stores have escalators that work with carts in them?!
That corner base, Is It NINJA Or Does It Suck?
the out of context pauses where brilliant
From balance complaint form: the zerg has a spire and choses to build the mediocre hydra instead of the mighty corrupter when carriers come out? The hell is he on?
Also, placing bets on no infestors built, and over 600 minerals floating at 5 minute mark.
Would like to know what happened to that donkey
Can I have the number of that woman next to the bread stand? Asking for a friend.
How is that diamond?
Mr Editor, I like your new form. :D
Today, Hamster woke up and chose... violence...
But why do you hate Canadians? The real mystery of the video
As a toss player , I never have succes to cr a zerg player who place the overloards correctly .
Well I mean, it's obvious Harstem's protoss bias impacts the verdict on this CLEAR showcase of the imbaness of the carrier.
Hamster always add the extra fun in these great videos
Americans don't get the bread reference. Their bread doesn't smell except for chemicals.
Americans usually don't have good bread. I agree. Been to 15 states.
@@garrusvakarian8709 cope harder please
18:57 I am actually so sad rn :(
How is this 3900 MMR? What?
Lol even you might think this Queen walks are missclicks, they are soooooo slow its unbelievable this zerg player didnt see them half way
As a P player, pure carriers don't usually beat pure hydra. As sad as it is. Of course, if your opponent has the same number of hydras as you have carriers the situation is different.
"Im gonna get stab by a Zerg player", foreshadowing.... lmao
I'm ready. Cannons into carriers every game!
people who chat in the early game usually do stupid rush builds, good indicator that you should scout
Binoculars into the butt? How? A telescope maybe.
Wow, protoss swarming zerg with interceptors... 😇
"gg noob" :D