Should You Intervene to Protect Someone Else? | Alabama Riverboat Incident
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- During the Alabama Riverboat incident, several people attempted to intervene on behalf of others. Some of them were successful, some of them were not.
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Question for Viewers: Would you intervene? Are you more of a ramp guy or a lady in red?
I wish I could say ramp guy but in reality I'm probably more of a "f#@k this shi* I'm out" guy.
Hard to say. One thing to consider is I conceal carry, which means if I get in the middle of some sh*t, now there is a gun involved, and stuff can go sideways quick. If I had context and responsibility in the situation, of course. If not, I'm probably getting out of there. Another thought, if you are friends with "likes to start a fight guy", stop being friends with him.
I was the ramp guy, and the only way I became the ramp guy was because of a lot of experience in the military when fights broke out. I failed miserable in some and with time and experience I became better at breaking the fight before it even started. But if given the chance I would just leave and not intervene. It gets ugly and quick, and then you end up getting in trouble for no reason. Just be like the young man in blue with the vest and leave.
I would create distance between my people and the violence. If possible, get them out of there.
I might be ramp guy because it's my nature to try and help and clearly that was a multi on one for the security dude (he had that info going in) - but I might also look and say yeah this is way too chaotic, f that. I would be ramp guy up until things sparked off in multiple locations and turned wild, then I'm get the f outta there guy. I guess maybe more like purple shirt/lifejacket guy :D
Did we see ramp guy after the initial break up?
27 years ago I thought I was ramp guy, breaking up a drunken fight at a party. I got stabbed and I have a gnarly scar as a reminder that I am not, in fact, ramp guy. Love your channel!
Needed force multiplier even if you only open carry a chair
That's a very common possibility. Fortunately you survived it to grow wiser. Remember a common result of you trying to intervene between adults is a free ride to the morgue.
"get your people and get out" is maybe some of the best real world self defense advice ever given on youtube.
I'm such a genuine fan of this channel. Great advice, great breakdown. Fighting is one of those things where unless you've experienced it first-hand, you'll believe your ego more than you'll believe what Mike is telling you. But it's true about not being able to tell friend from foe; things get so chaotic in a one-on-one fight, let alone a brawl like this. I've been in MULTIPLE scenarios where I've hit my friends, just because you can't tell who's who. Best advice here, is have a plan in place BEFORE a situation like this happens, and make sure you and yours follow it.
Stay safe and don't be a d*ck.
Stop getting into gang fights, Shane.
That last part!
@@JDezi4BVlogbruh 🤣
@@JDezi4BVloghe stopped doing that a long time ago. That last line of his is a comment on who he used to be.
@@formlessone8246 Yeah, I know.
Mike has a very smart and entertaining way of making you ask yourself the right questions.
That’s a very good way of putting it
Great comment
A wise teacher lets you learn :D
Who would you shoot if you showed up to a gun dual?
@MR-backup Should or would? Should means you don't have to.
Younger me was a bouncer, intervened in a number of fights and brawls, but now that I have kids it changed to where I am hesitant to get involved in ANYTHING that could escalate, unless my family's or my business' physical safety is on the line. Of all the possible outcomes (hospital, jail, sued, killed, etc) a lot are completely unacceptable when you have kids.
I'm still doing the doors after many years, and you are right after a while you calculate 10 times before you intervene, and you are more aware than most of what can go wrong physically and legally.
Even if you don't have kids and you just value life, this is the only logical approach really lol. There are no winners in a fight, only losers. If you win, the dude's still a dick and you're both injured. If you lose, the dude's still a dick and you're both injured - I don't need to be a mathemagician to see that that's bad math lol
Yup.
been there, done that, completely agree 100%. Doing that job puts a lot of things into perspective and I've also found it sharpened my verbal skills to the point where it helps me greatly on the job. You have to learn how to address people without ego.
Yeah, same here. I worked security for a while in my 20s, but now, at 40, with a wife and new responsibilities, I gotta look at my priorities a little different.
Icy Mike covering the Montgomery Brawl has made my day. Definitely some valid points here.
The guy being assaulted is the co-captain of the ferry that needed to dock and his assailants refused to move their boat so that the ferry could park.
Thank you! I've been wondering what started this.
@@jordang11b43 No problem
So this whole debacle is for a parking space? We need to call Karen.
@@lulospawn It's like parking in front of a bus stop but it's the only bus stop in town and the bus can't stop anywhere else. You're backing up a scheduled trip which cascades into other trips and making everyone on that boat wait for you to stop being a princess before they can get on with their day. Just because you feel your so important, you don't have to follow the rules that apply to everyone.
@@jordang11b43 Just Google Montgomery brawl press conference and everything will be explained. The whole thing was a mess, and the police chief explains everything in great detail. LOTS of misinformation was floating around online.
When I was not even a teenager, my sensei taught me to never get involved in or try to break up a fight, as you never know who started it or who the bad guy is. It's always stuck with me.
And also, the more people in the fight increases the chances of the boys in blue showing up.
When your black we DONT have the luxury of choice regardless of what the law says!
Unless of course there’s a woman involved
YT folks are the bad guy
@@aae8027RUclips folks?
It's funny to imagine that in a scuffle, the number of people involved just gets larger over time, because everyone wants to help the weaker side without realizing that it would make that side stronger and the other side weaker, therefore attracting people to help the other side and so on.
The scuffle paradox
Its called neutralizing a threat, they just wanted to make sure the treat was neutralized
"Mob mentality" heh
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it"
They fucked up...bottom line...Tried to jump somebody and got The Shit Beat out of them.....THAT WAS FUNNY AS HELL HOW THE TABLES TURNED SO FAST🤣
The people who jump in were his co workers
Your very last "gun shootout" example is wonderful, and really close to the one I give to people about "active shooter" situations.
If you get involved with your own gun, then suddenly you look like the Active Shooter to everyone else, including the cops and other Heroes.
Or you may mistakenly shoot another "Sheepdog" yourself, amongst all of the chaos and confusion. A man with a gun, looks... well, just like a man with a gun. Bad guys don't wear "Horns" ... and good guys don't wear "Halo's".
@@greenwil So then we all just let AS's keep fulfilling their manifesto?
@@MR-backupno but you gotta be smart and aware of what your own actions look like to the police and others.
@@MR-backup Pat McNamara, former unit guy, says he has a bright yellow safety vest right next to his gun in the car for exactly these situations. Does this mean he is constantly wearing it? No, but he is planning for ways how to make clear he isn't the shooter. Like others mentioned you have to be very aware of how it looks what you are doing. What is going on in your own head is not visible to others.
@@erih2934That's a double edged handle idea; since as helpful as it sounds to aid in not being identified as the AS to other people/LEA's/Good Samaritans, it does make you stand out to the AS and become an easier target, i.e. Tactically NOT sound!
Your full breakdown of this was probably my favourite video of the year so far. You were so excited 🤣 but the commentary and analysis was also really entertaining and insightful.
Agreed, that breakdown was amazing. Love fight analysis, when it's done well.
Thanks Mike, the "get your people and get out" is some of the best advice I've seen.
I gotta say that "Swimming Guy" deserves a major raise.🏊♀
Best walkout i've EVER seen to a fight🏊♀🏊♀🏊♀
His round 1 Fence control is on point
His round 2 Rock Bottom on idiot-hat guy #2 popped me
and during the final round he straight went Bruce Lee fists of fury really showing he has the endurance,
Funny thing that I haven't really heard many people mention is....
-- He is LITERALLY THE SMALLEST PERSON IN ALL OF THE FIGHTS --
yet besides ramp guy (due to placement and his location) was the guy I would want on my side!
Would love to see him have a little 1 on 1 time with the biggest piece of shit of all, red shorts guy.
Absolutely sound advice. I am a nurse and consider myself pretty streetwise. We’ve traveled to the US a number of times and have found ourselves needing to be very aware while still having a good time. And we’ve decided to take evasive measures more than once and never regretted it for a second. Even here at home. Cheers for the great video.
In my 61 years of living I've been involved in a few incidents (nothing like the Alabama riverboat fiasco) so I'm not obsessed with finding trouble, HOWEVER, (and I'm about to contradict myself) I do have the inclination to get involved when tensions are raised (whether or not it comes to violence). And one of the reasons for this urge to be involved comes from seeing (at a tender young age) my own mother being punched by my own father (both whom I loved) during an argument. She wasn't repeatedly punched (not that it makes it any better) but I was paralyzed to do anything about it and wished I could have intervened somehow. I have carried this guilt since. I believe this is the main reason I have the purely emotional urge to get involved (I want to save my mother in a round about way). I've been fortunate that nothing seriously negative has resulted when I have intervened over the years . I think there's worth in knowing the reasons we involve ourselves. At least interesting to me. I wish everybody well. Thanks again, Mike.
Thanks for sharing, that is insightful to explain how we can behave the way we do when we experienced some past events that make these alive again for a brief moment..
@@kamikarmy Thank you for thinking there's something worthwhile in it. Cheers!
My dad was a cop. He had a habit of bullying the household (go figure, right?)
I have never seen him actually put hands on my mom, but when I was about 16yrs old, and a little bit of a knucklehead..he looked like he wanted to.
Yeah...he never did that again.
@@letsdothis9063 Good you were able to stand up for your-bit-of--knucklehead-self at 16 and good that your father recognized that it was a bad idea to get into it with you. I recall having a similar face off with my father at 19. We were about to go there, when I said something to the effect that the devil wouldn't like anything better. Immediately his demeanor changed like throwing cold water on him and we avoided any aftermath. Maybe we both needed to be snapped out of it, so to speak. I loved my father and most of the time he wasn't the bruiser I described; but on the rare occasion, it created a mess for myself, my siblings and, of course, my mother. Cheers
After trying to read the freakishly exhausting paragraph you wrote, I completely understand why you got into so many scuffles.
I just love how Mike gave character development and made me care for the story. Rooting for you Ramp Guy!
Ramp guy could not stop the fight.
This reminds me of a story my grandad told me. When him and his friend went out they came across a couple having an argument very loud and aggressive so my grandad mate got involved when up and punched the guy so the woman went into the house and ran out with a pan of boiling water and threw it over him. Luckily enough he didn’t get to badly burned but that story has always stuck with me. So yeah don’t get involved or boiling water might be used
I interrupted a domestic violence incident, and in the process of winning against the dude, she proceeded to hit me with everything but the kitchen sink and even try to gouge my eyes out. I was helping her, but her Stockholm syndrome was palpable.
They are women they do things based off emotion not logic. If it don’t make since logically, then think about it emotionally.
reminds me of a similar story a coworker told me, which was one of his buddies was walking past a house where 2 men where beating the brakes off a woman and when he tried to intervene, it basically ended up with him in the hospital for months.
@@fergimasta
Woaah sexist jumpscare
Yeah that's why I always try to stay out of domestic disputes. Unless it looks like he's gonna kill the woman or he's actively beating her, it's none of your business and she'll probably be there to bail him out when it's all said and done so you probably wasted your time lol.
I remember when I stepped in to ‘help’ when a guy was punching a friend of mine who had no experience with violence. I jumped in between them, I was much bigger than the aggressor, and I said ‘if you’re going to hit something, hit me.’ To which I received a double jab. Fortunately there wasn’t much behind them, I hip tossed him, got mount, and talked him down. But I’ll never intervene in that particular way again. And I still respect little homie for throwing at me.
Thanks Mike, I needed that. I once witnessed a kid get mugged by three other teenagers about the same age. They basically just pinned his arms and took his wallet at a bus stop. Nobody got hurt. I saw the whole thing from my seat on a city bus. I've always felt a little bad that I didn't try to intervene, but also felt the risk was high, and I didn't know if there was previous backstory. I think I can put that to rest now. Thanks!
I may just be a simple small-town crackpot, but in my humble opinion Icy Mike has the most real and applicable martial arts info on the whole internet. A1 grade content.
He's the most legit, no - nonsense MA RUclipsr out there 👍
It's of paramount importance to know what you are fighting for, and why you are fighting for it... a principle to live by.
I got into martial arts because I witnessed a 5 on 1 assault downtown and thought maybe it's time to learn something. At the time, I was behind the building corner across the street on the phone with the cops. 2 years later after learning kali and muay thai to the point that I feel confident enough to hold up in a fight, if I saw that again, I would still be behind the corner on the phone with the cops. The only time I probably would try to fight is if that person was my friend (after calling the cops first so at least someone would be coming incase I'm getting F'ed up), or if I was that person getting assaulted and I had no choice but potential death or fighting to stay alive.
I knew a guy with a similar attitude. They tried to break up a simple assault in progress, ended up taking a blade to the neck and was dead within 2 minutes. Wife, kids, under 40... everything gone. Just because you're trying to do the right thing, doesn't mean the worst won't happen.
Also,
**B-O-N-K **8:38****
"I am ramp guy!" My new combat yell
When I lived overseas (Japan), I found myself intervening several times over the years. Usually at a train station and inevitably late at night when either two drunk dudes were escalating with each other or a staggering drunk dude was being preyed upon by some young punk. It was dumb to intervene, and I realize that now.
But, in a place where I knew it was incredibly unlikely that a gun would be produced, and where the loud shouting of English can cause confusion, it kind of worked. At least, the people involved would stop and wonder why this American was shouting at them until the station guards could show up.
Then again, maybe I was just setting myself up as Shooty McRookie and just retargeting the drunk combatants.
Great break down! As a grappler and ex-nightclub bouncer, I agree 100% with this analysis
I really appreciated your great analysis and advice in these riverboat videos. Thank you!
Good advice thanks. It's awfully easy for someone with some training to feel like they have a responsibility to help
This was so good on so many levels. To have a guy who has skill, knowledge and years of training and experience say they would just leave says a lot
I so enjoyed this! Good sense and humour inextricably melded into one sequence.
Love your honesty!
This is a great question, discussion could go for hours over the circumstances.
Keep up the great content.
Every time I see your vids, I just like them before they even begin. Keep it up.
My problem with 99% of all situations is everything people ever do makes the situation worse, and this goes from an argument to a killing.
great takes - thank you for always trying to provide reasonable, actionable advice
You made some very great points here and brought a perspective that not many have thought of. When anyone is present at a situation like this, They, he, or she is NOT obligated to intervene. However, helping to break up or deescalate a situation is something we would like to see everyone take part in. It boils down to one's intention of intervening. Understanding violence, and knowing how to fight and being able to protect oneself is priority. Under certain conditions, intervening can make things worse.
Here's another point I have noticed. The many of people who get angry at the bystanders holding their phones and recording instead of intervening while looking at the footage they are angry for being recorded. Footage that the police are able to use to identify and make arrests of the people who started it all. It's a public place where recording is legal.
Again... NOT everyone has to get involved. Imagine how worse ( if everyone, the thousands of people had gotten involved) that outcome would have been.
I thing I've noticed, and others too, not a single presence of a firearm or other "self-defense" items. The only use of a foreign object that I recall was the chair.
From a safety perspective and a law perspective I think you're absolutely correct - don't intervene or get involved when you don't know how to fight or have no commanding presence to deescalate the situation. In fact, not getting involved full stop is the safest bet.
But we're human, and especially men want to play tough and defend their friends or their group. It's kind of part and parcel of what masculinity is. If you had the kind of group of friends or family that would try to shame you for cowardice or not joining in, you're even more likely to get involved (even if you know nothing of combat). If you have notions of superhero justice, or "fairness", you won't want to see someone outnumbered getting railed on by one person or a group. If you don't intervene but stand there watching helplessly, you might even feel guilt wondering if you could have prevented an assault or death. There's many factors in play. The clinical decision is to stay away. But the heart may over-ride that when people you know are in danger, or if a stranger is severely outmatched and their life is at threat. Also, as men, if we see a woman in danger, it's almost a gut reaction to want to be chivalrous and jump to her aid (whether she be right or wrong - that's why red Dress Lady getting a chair to the head was particularly disturbing and snapped most people in this brawl out of their fighting frenzy and brought them to their senses).
I don't have the "right answer", but you are right: Always avoid brawls as much as possible and do not engage, and leave - especially when you have vulnerables to protect and get to safety. But I know that watching someone get railed on and not having a slight twinge of Superhero/Saviour about doing something to stop it, is pretty cold. Effective from our own personal safety stand point, but cold.
The dude in the life vest in the beginning is a apparently 16 year old boy who worked in the crew under the co captain and came with him to shore from the Boat.
Love your work Mike! Well said!!!!
Great perception on a situation. I really like the different views when watching any issue like this.
There are so many things I love about this (and your other longer one) video on this topic. I LOVE how you not so subtlety call out the comment trolls, cracks me up every time. But most of all, I love the end of this and what your family "play" is - GTFO. You're combat trained, former police, could probably win more fights than lose, yet you know - if it ain't your fight, don't get in it, at all, no video, no nothing, just bail. Wise words. Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience.
Like the thing. Well said, Icy.
Your point about knowing the backstory is big. A trainer once told me “never intervene in a fight that you didn’t see start.”
okay agreed, but once the fight passes a certain limit like ground and pound till death - i would think differently
Very few reasons justify killing the other guy in a fight, except maybe the king of the mob chasing down a family father half around the world with the authorities being helpless about it untill family father sees no other solution then killing the mobster.
I am willing to take my chances that most fights are not about that
Completely agree with the get your people and leave right away. Get to a safe place then call it in if it is really bad.
Respect. Very Thoughtful analysis.
Years and years ago I was in the pub with my dad. There was bloke at the bar obviously in a bad temper. It turned out that his wife was attemping to remove his daughter from his life and he had been hard at the drink all day and had spent the time working himself up into a froth. He was literally growling.
Well a few likely lads decided (correctly I suppose ) that this was poor behaviour for a family pub. I know because one of them told me this. And they were basically planning on confronting him.
Now I was full of it at the time. I had been training a lot. I was in good shape, and I had burning desire to prove myself (mistake) I was watching for the excuse to leap up and save the day. I had lined myself up to get a choke on the bloke... allsorts.
Well inevatably off it kicked. He had four or five lads around him and he jumped up roaring at them why he was in a bad mood.
Fortunately for all invovled the manager of the pub had more sense than the lot of us. He'd seen trouble brewing and I've never seen anyone calm anything down as quick. He sent away the lads and calmed down the drunk guy in the space of 20 seconds. Consoled him a bit, didn't judge him. Basically was human to him.
I was glad I'd not had the time to get up. I was ashmaed of myself for wanting to just jump in. I came away wiser. Low bar I know but I'll never forget that lesson.
it's hard for people to realize that aggression is not always the answer, and good on you for learning it in a situation where nothing popped off. Thankfully my dad is much like the bartender and taught me to be more understanding of the entire situation before you do anything, and I even got to see it happen when a belligerent guy was starting shit with the staff at a bar we went to. He was literally like ramp guy; assessing the situation and using his size and his voice to talk down the dude from starting anything. it's surprising how well words work even for someone like me who isn't that big, but you have to know how people think and play into it for it to work
@@AspynDotZip this is very true.
Sometimes people just want to do "crime" , rob you, look for a victim etc and then its a lot harder espc in that short time frame to "word" it out - in most cases at least that I experienced - being "human" and using words will get you far.
It also helps to not only "say" words but put meaning into them.
In that bar scenario, that could mean to "dig in" that scenario that man was in for a moment and act from a point of empathy.
You were young and full of energy - that's normal. Point is you sat tight and let the elders sort it out, so it's clear you had a bit of wisdom too - gj!
When I saw that Icy Mike had done a video about the Montgomery Brawl I had to watch, and he did not disappoint.
Awesome review
The ginger bit in the middle of your works good with the two grey sides actually🤣i like it🤣
The WORST thing about this video is that nobody who needs to hear this will
I've broken up many a fight and been in a few myself. I'm older now so my first thought is to try and break up a fight. But genuinely, I think if someone is getting hit, they deserve it. But I won't watch a beat down and not help
8:30
Mike, you have a way of turning these exhibitions into comedy hour 😂😂😂
Unless someone I love is involved or it's pretty one sided and someone's getting seriously hurt.. I am not stepping in. I've been in or near big brawls before.. I am 6ft3 220lb studied muay thai and used to work as a doorman at pubs and clubs.. I've seen stabbings and people hit with bottles etc etc. It's not worth it..
If you're able to intervene I think you should but obviously from a self defense/preservation aspect you shouldn't.
Dude I love the nuanced take which is rare these days.
Great advice
I'm allergic to bullshit and this is good medicine. Thank you @hard2hurt.
I'm purple shirt guy. Realised I've got myself in over my head and leaves it lol. Happened to be one of the smarter people involved overall
I mean the smartest people there were never involved.
@@ASDeckard thats why I said one of not the
Good info😃👍👍👍
U are the best thx you for being on point
I knew this comment section would have awesome stories! Thanks Mike❤🎉
I just want to say that this is the PERFECT hard2hurt video. This and the previous one, actually.
In the actual fight, every one of us watching can see ourselves as a character in the video. I enjoy running over to fights and break them up myself, so I saw myself as the boat guy (or maybe blue shirt girl ;) ). Someone might see themselves as the guy who swam across the small river. Someone might literally just want to enact some violence and not think rationally at all, just like the dudes who beat up the wrong guy. This is a fascinating case study.
And you know a video is good when RUclips gives the good old, "This video is inappropriate for some audiences. "
The point at the end of the video is very important - you can easily be dragged into trouble by people around you, great example was the 'girlfriend at the theatre' scenario from the Self Defense Tournament.
I'm not just saying this, but I just so happen to know I'm Ramp Guy...and I haven't even seen the video yet. I was Ramp Guy just today as a matter of fact, but I have been a many of times. Anyway, I love how you emphasized "and your good at fighting" 😆
This is a very good training scenario. Your an Amazing Facilitator. I really appreciate Your videos. Very sadly im an untrained person who's been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its scary
I know Mike was trying to be serious... But I laughed so hard from beginning to end. 🤣🤣🤣
A young woman was raped and murdered last week in Warsaw. Multiple people walked by and did nothing. Marches, protests won't give her her life back.
If someone called for help, any single person, she would still be alive. People who allow evil to go on undisturbed are almost just as guilty as perps and far more numerous.
If you don't feel capable to intervene, call for help. Don't just look away thinking it's not your problem.
Great video.
Mike I love the part where you said I'm gone. Your feet and the ability to run is the first and best defense ever.
Nope, from the jump, I thought, "I am not ramp guy." Despite having had professional training in 4 martial arts. I didn't know what was going on, and would not have gotten into the mix. I also believe that not being where the violence is means not being subject to violence.
I haven’t watched yet, got my chips ready for this one Mike.
My job role I have to protect staff as I work at a hospital. Outside of work would I engage? Honestly it depends. If the person in question was someone I knew and liked, without a doubt yes but I didn’t know them I probably wouldn’t but then it depends on the scenario really and who the attacker is.
"Get your people and get out". Best possible advice.
Honestly, I always thought I might intervene. But, hearing you and the questions you ask, it is clear I would walk the other way now.
This is just me, I'm glad none of the people involved had guns and started shooting claiming "self-defense".. Just a good o'le fashion brawl. 🤣🤣🤣
Thought provoking, thanks.
Thank you
Should you step in to help someone? It depends on what kind of shape you're in and how many there are of you
If you have to ask yourself if you should intervene… you shouldn’t.
Growing up a multi sport athlete idk why I kept going to wrestling since 5th grade, the practices where terrible and sweaty asf. But today I thank God I grow up learning to protect myself properly
That was really good advice. My partner and i have the same, we go plan.
First time watching ur vid bro …I love ur shit lol
I have seen quite bad cases of violence. Sometimes you can put yourself in a lot of danger but save a person. But you better be quick, fit and don't act alone.
I remember a fight, where a group of highly trained waterballers just grappled on another and the biggest guys would not stop hitting on the one he was holding.
There were 4 fit and able teammates trying to pull him away, without success. You would not be able to stop someone like this.
"...just like the people in most comment sections..."
SHOTS FIRED!
Cool! You’re take on this tragedy was good
My daddy always taught me - get the fuck away from there.
And he was right of course.
I have practiced martial arts since i was 13 and i’m now 44, but his words are still my go to if violence erupts.
Every year Mike gets funnier
I am most definitely not Ramp guy, Mike, I'm guy who helps ramp guy clean up after ramp guy solves the problem. LOL.
Also thank you for telling the truth
I laughed watching this as we just passed a brawl on holiday the other day.. and yup.. we got out! No watching, no filming, just retreat to a safe distance!
When a bunch of cowards attack a sole individuals I would most definitely help the sole individual.
At work, I am PAID to be more like Ramp Guy, so I have to be. However, in my personal life, I am honestly more like Chair Guy. I sometimes struggle to asses the proper required force and appropriate response. Especially when other people are involved.
Professional Ramp Guy de-escalator by day, private Chair Guy lunatic by night, LOL. Hey, at least you're self-aware!
When I was young I would often intervene to help out strangers but never again. As I age I do gain wisdom and I am only interested in protecting my loved ones and myself at this point. That might sound selfish but I don't care as my health , financial well-being, and freedom are too important to risk it all for some stranger who I will never see again. Honestly, if strangers want to kill each other that's their business, I will just keep moving along. FYI, this is advice from me as a former bouncer and police officer who has seen it all....MYOB
I understand the feeling, but there must be some point where you'd feel morally obliged to do something, for example, if you saw a full grown man brutally beating on a small female child? You're going to do nothing? Not even yell at them to stop from afar? What about several guys all kicking someone already on the ground? A young guy beating on an elderly man or woman?
@@PinataOblongata You present extremes that I have never ever seen happen in public places. I have stopped men from beating on their women when it was my job to intervene, but again, we really don't know what the woman did to set the man off do we? Maybe the man just found out she had been abusing their child when he wasn't around and she deserved an educational beat down. Honestly, not all human life has value and if you don't know the backstory you might end up assaulting the hero. If you're trying to guilt trip me then you would do better to point to a human abusing an animal as a kitten or a puppy is true innocence by default and I would definitely intervene to save an animal. I don't really care about people anymore.
This is the best explanation of this stupid situation.
You really got me thinking when you called it that I thought I was "ramp guy" even though the last fight training I had was karate when I was 8.
Maybe you should discuss how the co-captain could have avoided this situation. If he had not fought back, do you think he would have been attacked by the other people anyway? I think they would have attacked him anyway, but I am not sure.
That is a difficult one for sure.
A couple of times I was involved in confrontations as a teen I just back off, trying to block any strikes while telling the aggressor to fuck off or I just walked away, sometimes taking a punch or two in the process but that was the end of it. Thinking back though it was really just random chance that none of them were determined to do me any real harm (just other kids bored and out to cause a bit of trouble) or had the strength/skill to do real damage with the few hits they got.
If I had misjudged the situation and they were more determined or skilled than I thought then all I did was put myself in a poorer position or worse left myself totally open to a sucker punch.
In the Riverboat situation I get the feeling red shorts guy would have run in and tackled the co-captain even if he had been entirely defensive while the guy who started it was swinging on him.
I _want_ to say I'm more of a ramp guy, at least leaning that way, but being in a situation with the adrenaline flooding and quite probably making me dumb, it's hard to say about a theoretical. Never been in a real fight (I've been pushed for no reason but I didn't react other than staring the guy down. He was just "walking by" me in a locker room) and hope I never am. I guess my real answer would be *no idea* assuming I'm intervening. Your plan with your family to exit as quickly and safely as possible is probably the best idea 99.9% of the time.
If you’ve never been in a real fight or had to command people in stressful situations it’s best to leave it alone unless you need to get your own loved ones out of danger.
Let it go, stay out of it, and conduct first aid afterwards if you need to help.
Rule of thumb (sorta): i try to help the guy who wears a uniform of sorts, chances are that this guy is in the right. So the black guy with the white shirt/uniform, help that guy and those who are with him will see that and consider you on "their" side. But i agree that if you come in late you shouldn't get involved, too much confusion.
your skin is a uniform. you don't think that "uniform" was a factor?
I really appreciate this video covering this event because it's chaotic looking at the shit even after you've seen the video multiple times. however, I have to say, I was surprised there was no word about that one guy SWIMMING to the fight. I thought that out of all the chaos that took place, that was the craziest shit that happened. all I kept thinking was.. what if one of those boys saw him and either prevented him from pulling up by hitting him, like stomping on his hands or head (ex. get knocked out, knocked into water) or worse what if he jumped down in that water and started hitting him, trying to choke him out, drown him. he was basically relying on the chaos of the fight to conceal him
Any time i've seen physical and non physical confrontation , when it seems obvious there's an aggressor and someone unable to defend themselves, i will always intervene. Never physically to begin with. I'm not a fighter, but i will step inbetween and try to reason. I can protect myself though.
One of the more eye opening videos was Seth's self defence test video. Where he was saving a dude from a girl and the girl was armed so he couldn't let her go. And at that moment they sent another guy as a bystander who just jumped into a situation seeing this big dude holding a small women on the ground.