@@MoFreedomFoundation dont you think that what hezbala is doing after oct7 is more humiliating than oct7 itself? is israel so weak that they cant make a war with lebanon? or surely they will start in Lebanon after gaza?!
“When you’re comparing yourself to the [Democratic Republic of] the Congo, something has gone terribly wrong”. That statement hit really hard for me. Welcome to 2023. If you ever heard the story of King Solomon’s Judgement and wondered what it would have been like if both of the mothers were just like “OK, fine, cut the baby in half, see if I care”… here you go.
What I appreciate so much about the channels continent is that even when I don’t agree with everything being said, everything being said is nonetheless always very well-reasoned and sensible. When I’m watching or listening to MFF, I never feel like I’m being fed a narrative that isn’t supported by some pretty well-balanced facts.
are you aware of Scott ritter's analysis of October 7th, he describes it as the most successful military raid in the 21st century, and he does not consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization, rather a national liberation organization. The atrocities that have been committed under their jurisdiction were regrettably committed by understandably revengeful Palestinians, that he considers to be a failing on their part. but whatever else was the result of the IDF.
On the birth rate, yes. The birth rate in Gaza is higher than nearly any country on Earth. Birth rate is largely tied to both poverty and unemployment in the modern age.
Question, can you talk about the 2006 "election" of Hamas vs the more moderate Palestinian Fatah party and howntheres not been an election sicne that time. Also,they keep saying palestinians elected Hamas but 50% of residents in Gaza werent even born in 2006 when the last election happened. And now all thats happening is the radicalization of even more youth.
Also, they weren't elected to control of Gaza. They got a plurality, not even a majority of the votes in a legislative election, 44%. They took Gaza because of a civil war the Bush admin started to overthrow Hamas, which the Bushies lost.
@@MoFreedomFoundation I will wait for a full investigation as to what happened on the Israeli side! Much of the deaths are army and many of the civilian and army deaths were caused by the Hannibal directive Israel activated … the only parties responsible for the deaths in Gaza are 🇺🇸 and Israel
I think what you are missing here Rob, is that they are not a state, they do not have to behave like a state. Finally, I do not think they wanted this to happen. I do not think there is any evidence to suggest this. You could argue that they should have expected this response and that Israel will not honor international law! But, I would argue that Israel created H to exactly kill the now 30k+ Gazans@@MoFreedomFoundation
Pleass explain why and what means to you to be committed to the existence and survival of Israel, why is Israel has this special commitment in your opinion?
Because I feel bad about the Holocaust, among many other reasons. It's also a country that exists, and has existed for 75 years. You don't just wipe that away.
@@MoFreedomFoundation the central message of Zionism is jews need their own nation-state since others can be counted on solely, to oppress the Jewish people, and if one agree with this, what does that say about them.. And Israel can exist but it has to be integrated economically with the rest of the Arab world. And of the Holocaust then Europe and Europe alone should pay for this atrocity, give the jews their own land in Germany or elsewhere in Europe not in Palestine, not in Africa or South America.
@@MoFreedomFoundation the Holocaust did not happen there. giving the way they have been behaving this 75 years the future seems to indicate one of both sides will eventually be wiped out. North Korea also exists since 75 years i hope it would disappear.
@@TS-zp7pe i don't agree with you, i did not get his logic but he is independent in his opinion enough so talk more logical, life is not what you like it to be it is what it is.
Despite various wars and exoduses, roughly one half of the world's Palestinian population continues to reside in the territory of former Mandatory Palestine, now encompassing the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (the Palestinian territories) as well as Israel.[46] In this combined area, as of 2022, Palestinians constitute a demographic majority, with an estimated population of 7.503 million or 51.16% (as compared to Jews at 46-47%) of all inhabitants, taking in the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and almost 21 percent of the population of Israel proper as part of its Arab citizens.[47][48][
The chant is from the River to the sea, but more importantly Palestinian leaders have been the party to decline two state solutions in 1936, 1941 and 1967. Any after that have been one sided and in favor of Israel in my opinion, but that’s the result of continuously winning wars and becoming merciless. Israel has had to beat back many Arab invasions. As a result today, Israel is a great nation that behaves in a horrific way. There is a long history in the last 40 years of barbarism. The only future for the Palestinians is with the Arab states. I don’t understand why there is not more pressure for the Arab states to run the Palestinian regions in a serious way. Meaning support it economically and give these people citizenship. The reasons they don’t might be indications of the intentions. I think it’s obvious that enemies of Israel benefit more from the Palestinians with Hamas than Israel. Israel would certainly seek the exportation of civilians in favor of a way between the militia and IDF. Antisemitism is real in the region. Antisemitism has always been real. I agree with you take in Israel in the past 40 years. Israel became a menace. The conflict is beyond black and white. Evil will continuously prevail until the Palestinians are removed or Israel falls, in my opinion.
@@MoFreedomFoundation Israel is there and not going anywhere despite its origins. Like I said, antisemitism is real. And it’s the reason Israel exist. It will be barbarity until both sides are forced by their respective allies to accept a solution.
@@MoFreedomFoundation This point is ridiculous and gets more ridiculous by the decade. I‘m german (my grandmother was even from Königsberg/Kaliningrad) and I accept that land we used to own is now mostly Poland I don’t chant from here to there the polish gotta go and other bullshit.
Thank you for your in-depth analysis and humanity. Really important work in a world where the governments and the media of the US and the EU (with the exception of Ireland and Spain) are morally and politically corrupt and irresponsible.
I still struggle to understand how Israel is committing war crimes, let alone genocide. Hamas fighters are military combatants. All civilian infrastructure that is infiltrated by functioning military combatants becomes military infrastructure. The death of innocent civilians that takes place in the process of eliminating enemy combatants does not constitute a war crime. Also: you could argue (I disagree, but you could) that what Israel is doing is ethnic cleansing. But there is absolutely no basis for calling this a genocide. You yourself previously said that what Azerbaijan was doing with Armenians in Karabakh was ethnic cleansing and not genocide. Why do you use two different standards in two different situations?
Pretty sure I said this was "potential genocide". Which it totally is. It's definitely active ethnic cleansing. It's definitely worse than anything China or Russia are doing, and it has very little to do with Hamas.
I was wrong on 2014 .2009 Cast LedlThe conflict resulted in 1,166-1,417 Palestinian and 13 Israeli deaths (including 4 from friendly fire). Ratio 1 to 144
The President the US is an avowed Zionist, he is not very popular as judged by recent polling. He is also so engrained in his beliefs that no amount of public outrage will sway him. Same goes for Mr Sanders, Mr Schumer and Mr McConnell.
@@MoFreedomFoundation If not for Carter Golda would have solved the issue a long time ago. You just enjoy torturing people. It's just a show for Americans. For some reason Croatians(rightfully so) were allowed by the USA to kick out their trouble some minorities, but not Israel.
@@MoFreedomFoundationJews are not a religion, dum dum. Jews are a tribe, a civilization. And you are a shameful representative of it - a trator to his people, a blood libel promoter.
Delusional. Israelis are at the back foot here which is why they're trying their hardest to avoid a direct invasion of Gaza. Doing that will not only drag them to Ukraine-style months long urban battles, but also escalate regional tensions and stoke communal hatred; at which point their Western handlers will have no choice but to cut off Tel Aviv
Because both sides think that their violence are righteous retribution? Israel thinks the bombing is a righteous revenge over 7/8, Palestinians think 7/8 is righteous revenge over Israel continuously bombing Palestine over the years
It's crazy, Gaza looked straight out of WW2. I don't think even the Syrian war dealt this much damage exclusively to one city.
Yep. Much worse than Syria. And just getting started.
@@MoFreedomFoundation dont you think that what hezbala is doing after oct7 is more humiliating than oct7 itself? is israel so weak that they cant make a war with lebanon? or surely they will start in Lebanon after gaza?!
“When you’re comparing yourself to the [Democratic Republic of] the Congo, something has gone terribly wrong”. That statement hit really hard for me. Welcome to 2023.
If you ever heard the story of King Solomon’s Judgement and wondered what it would have been like if both of the mothers were just like “OK, fine, cut the baby in half, see if I care”… here you go.
Yikes. Yeah.
What I appreciate so much about the channels continent is that even when I don’t agree with everything being said, everything being said is nonetheless always very well-reasoned and sensible. When I’m watching or listening to MFF, I never feel like I’m being fed a narrative that isn’t supported by some pretty well-balanced facts.
Happy to hear it! Thanks for the kind words.
It is so unfortunate that I cannot disagree with the crux of what Robbo is saying.
Yeah. It's profoundly sad.
I think if the Palestinians will be pushed to Egypt, the Sinai peninsula will be ungovernable for the next decade.
Egypt would fall into chaos.
Once the Gaza ghetto is liquidated, settlers can begin moving in.
They are already excited.
would enjoy a podcast between yourself and Peter Zeihan
He doesn't seem to do many adversarial podcast situations.
are you aware of Scott ritter's analysis of October 7th, he describes it as the most successful military raid in the 21st century, and he does not consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization, rather a national liberation organization. The atrocities that have been committed under their jurisdiction were regrettably committed by understandably revengeful Palestinians, that he considers to be a failing on their part. but whatever else was the result of the IDF.
Scott Ritter has done some good things, but he has also beclowned himself in many ways.
Sadly if you look into Scott Ritter's history, he has some very black marks on his record
On the birth rate, yes. The birth rate in Gaza is higher than nearly any country on Earth. Birth rate is largely tied to both poverty and unemployment in the modern age.
Indeed.
Question, can you talk about the 2006 "election" of Hamas vs the more moderate Palestinian Fatah party and howntheres not been an election sicne that time.
Also,they keep saying palestinians elected Hamas but 50% of residents in Gaza werent even born in 2006 when the last election happened. And now all thats happening is the radicalization of even more youth.
Also, they weren't elected to control of Gaza. They got a plurality, not even a majority of the votes in a legislative election, 44%. They took Gaza because of a civil war the Bush admin started to overthrow Hamas, which the Bushies lost.
Would you describe hamas as an indigenous resistance movement the way you describe the houthis in Yemen?
Sure.
Yep
I think you might want to read more about the H to S group! it is actually not as bad as you describe it!
They killed 1200 mostly innocent Israelis , and the 13,000 dead Palestinians are exactly what they wanted. They are much worse.
@@MoFreedomFoundation I will wait for a full investigation as to what happened on the Israeli side! Much of the deaths are army and many of the civilian and army deaths were caused by the Hannibal directive Israel activated … the only parties responsible for the deaths in Gaza are 🇺🇸 and Israel
I think what you are missing here Rob, is that they are not a state, they do not have to behave like a state. Finally, I do not think they wanted this to happen. I do not think there is any evidence to suggest this. You could argue that they should have expected this response and that Israel will not honor international law! But, I would argue that Israel created H to exactly kill the now 30k+ Gazans@@MoFreedomFoundation
Pleass explain why and what means to you to be committed to the existence and survival of Israel, why is Israel has this special commitment in your opinion?
Because I feel bad about the Holocaust, among many other reasons. It's also a country that exists, and has existed for 75 years. You don't just wipe that away.
@@MoFreedomFoundation the central message of Zionism is jews need their own nation-state since others can be counted on solely, to oppress the Jewish people, and if one agree with this, what does that say about them.. And Israel can exist but it has to be integrated economically with the rest of the Arab world. And of the Holocaust then Europe and Europe alone should pay for this atrocity, give the jews their own land in Germany or elsewhere in Europe not in Palestine, not in Africa or South America.
@@MoFreedomFoundationwhat a hypocrite. Tell him you’re a Zionist
@@MoFreedomFoundation the Holocaust did not happen there. giving the way they have been behaving this 75 years the future seems to indicate one of both sides will eventually be wiped out. North Korea also exists since 75 years i hope it would disappear.
@@TS-zp7pe i don't agree with you, i did not get his logic but he is independent in his opinion enough so talk more logical, life is not what you like it to be it is what it is.
Do you think young people will become pro Israel or remain pro palestine
Hard to say.
Despite various wars and exoduses, roughly one half of the world's Palestinian population continues to reside in the territory of former Mandatory Palestine, now encompassing the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (the Palestinian territories) as well as Israel.[46] In this combined area, as of 2022, Palestinians constitute a demographic majority, with an estimated population of 7.503 million or 51.16% (as compared to Jews at 46-47%) of all inhabitants, taking in the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and almost 21 percent of the population of Israel proper as part of its Arab citizens.[47][48][
Interesting. Source?
@@MoFreedomFoundation that was wiki palestinian people before someone edited it. check the new version please.
The chant is from the River to the sea, but more importantly Palestinian leaders have been the party to decline two state solutions in 1936, 1941 and 1967. Any after that have been one sided and in favor of Israel in my opinion, but that’s the result of continuously winning wars and becoming merciless. Israel has had to beat back many Arab invasions. As a result today, Israel is a great nation that behaves in a horrific way. There is a long history in the last 40 years of barbarism.
The only future for the Palestinians is with the Arab states. I don’t understand why there is not more pressure for the Arab states to run the Palestinian regions in a serious way. Meaning support it economically and give these people citizenship. The reasons they don’t might be indications of the intentions. I think it’s obvious that enemies of Israel benefit more from the Palestinians with Hamas than Israel. Israel would certainly seek the exportation of civilians in favor of a way between the militia and IDF.
Antisemitism is real in the region. Antisemitism has always been real.
I agree with you take in Israel in the past 40 years. Israel became a menace. The conflict is beyond black and white. Evil will continuously prevail until the Palestinians are removed or Israel falls, in my opinion.
Why should the Palestinians have been expected to accept a two state solution with a bunch of European and Maghrebian settlers?
@@MoFreedomFoundation
Oh dear the Israelis a white settlers fallacy
No point trying point in the ridiculousness of that position
You voted for War
@@MoFreedomFoundation Israel is there and not going anywhere despite its origins.
Like I said, antisemitism is real. And it’s the reason Israel exist. It will be barbarity until both sides are forced by their respective allies to accept a solution.
@@MoFreedomFoundation
This point is ridiculous and gets more ridiculous by the decade.
I‘m german (my grandmother was even from Königsberg/Kaliningrad) and I accept that land we used to own is now mostly Poland
I don’t chant from here to there the polish gotta go and other bullshit.
@@MoFreedomFoundationthis ❤
Israel wants to be the one nation state. Palestine wants also to be the only state. Why is the U.S. meddling? This can’t be fixed by big brother
We need to distance ourselves.
Thank you for your in-depth analysis and humanity. Really important work in a world where the governments and the media of the US and the EU (with the exception of Ireland and Spain) are morally and politically corrupt and irresponsible.
Thanks for the kind words!
600 children have been killed in Ukraine, 6000 in Gaza.231113
Estimates, but probably not that far off.
@@MoFreedomFoundation 4500 killed and 1500 under rubble
I still struggle to understand how Israel is committing war crimes, let alone genocide. Hamas fighters are military combatants. All civilian infrastructure that is infiltrated by functioning military combatants becomes military infrastructure. The death of innocent civilians that takes place in the process of eliminating enemy combatants does not constitute a war crime.
Also: you could argue (I disagree, but you could) that what Israel is doing is ethnic cleansing. But there is absolutely no basis for calling this a genocide. You yourself previously said that what Azerbaijan was doing with Armenians in Karabakh was ethnic cleansing and not genocide. Why do you use two different standards in two different situations?
Pretty sure I said this was "potential genocide". Which it totally is. It's definitely active ethnic cleansing. It's definitely worse than anything China or Russia are doing, and it has very little to do with Hamas.
Very sad whats going on in gaza. Troubling times that we live in
Yep.
He shall go to jail ! And never let out
That sounds good.
Esad saved the houses of jews , most of them r living in Nj now
Huh?
2014 the ratio was 1 to 100
That was horrible.
I was wrong on 2014 .2009 Cast LedlThe conflict resulted in 1,166-1,417 Palestinian and 13 Israeli deaths (including 4 from friendly fire). Ratio 1 to 144
are you helping to organize people in protests against israel ? america will not back down whitout civilian rejection.
The President the US is an avowed Zionist, he is not very popular as judged by recent polling. He is also so engrained in his beliefs that no amount of public outrage will sway him. Same goes for Mr Sanders, Mr Schumer and Mr McConnell.
No.
I respect your opinion but your flip flopping and victim blaming on this one. Freedom is always paid in blood.
What? I am not blaming the Palestinians.
What is Israel supposed to do instead right now?
How much one has to lose humanity and how much one has to be a racist before they can say that they had no choice but to commit genocide.
Deploying boots in the ground would've resulted in far less civilian casualties than the bombing campaign currently happening
Stop funding Hamas?
Stop funding Hamas?
Just let Jews go full force. America has been actively hindering them to solve this conflict.
We are talking about a country not a religion. We need to stop giving Israel money so we are not as complicit when they step up the crimes more.
@@MoFreedomFoundation If not for Carter Golda would have solved the issue a long time ago. You just enjoy torturing people. It's just a show for Americans. For some reason Croatians(rightfully so) were allowed by the USA to kick out their trouble some minorities, but not Israel.
@@MoFreedomFoundationJews are not a religion, dum dum.
Jews are a tribe, a civilization.
And you are a shameful representative of it - a trator to his people, a blood libel promoter.
Delusional. Israelis are at the back foot here which is why they're trying their hardest to avoid a direct invasion of Gaza. Doing that will not only drag them to Ukraine-style months long urban battles, but also escalate regional tensions and stoke communal hatred; at which point their Western handlers will have no choice but to cut off Tel Aviv
Why is it so hard just to believe in righteous retribution?
Because righteous retribution between a bear and a mouse does not exist.
@@MoFreedomFoundation you amaze me in your moral retardation there is no righteous retribution., period.
Because both sides think that their violence are righteous retribution? Israel thinks the bombing is a righteous revenge over 7/8, Palestinians think 7/8 is righteous revenge over Israel continuously bombing Palestine over the years
well, u have been wrong about everything
wrong about india
wrong about turkey
wrong about palestinans
wrong about islam
etc...
shame!
How so?