This. My guess is Iran is afraid of losing their grip on the populace, who actually don't like the regime by and large, so they are trying to galvanize national support against a foreign "enemy". I think what might happen instead is Israel cripples their economy leading to a revolt like 1979.
I've read that the Mullah's are hiding in deep bunkers after firing all those missiles into Israel afraid that they'd gone too far this time. Perhaps they have.
You said "cachet" when I think that you mean "cache" (pronounced cash) Cachet is a mark of distinction, cache is something valuable that is kept in a secure location
The actual reality is that we would take out all those radars and AD long before a B2 flys into country, with the only exception being that it’s stealth is just way more effective that we know.
Those MOPs are extremely compact for something that weighs over 12 tons! I guess that a fairly big portion of it is some dense material like tungsten to facilitate penetration through concrete and steel. The principle they use, though, is not so far off Barnes Wallace's original conception of the Grand Slam, from around 1940.
35:00 Of the planned 165 B-2s, just 21 were built before the program was cancelled. There have been four accidents involving a B-2. Of those one was repaired and another is being repaired now, leaving only 19 left in service.
I know the guys don't like flying 5th gen but this is the exact sort of mission that you would use an F-22 for. Much less worry about SAM's and you'd be able to stick with the B-2 and only move out to intercept the Iranians when they get close to missile range. I would be interested to see how that version of the mission would play out.
@@EnigmaHoodbruh…the F22 being an escort in this is kinda obvious. Idk how you read “be able to stick with the B2 and only move out to intercept the iranians” and interpreted it as the B2, a strategic bomber with no air-to-air capability, intercepting Iranian fighters while the F22, an air superiority fighter with minimal air-to-ground capability, does the bombing with ordinance only a strategc bomber can carry.
@@jackrr1832 The problem is that the S-400 radars can likely detect stealth aircraft. Russia claims that S-400 can defeat stealth, but whether it can get a homing solution is a different question. In any case, they'd scramble fighters and launch drone interceptors as soon as they're detected. The disadvantage of stealth is their low missile capacity, once they run out of missiles, they're helpless. Launch enough done interceptors, let the F-22s waste all their missiles on them, and then they're vulnerable to any fighter. The F-22s also can't defend effectively over enemy airspace, if they fly low to defend (which is how they always defend in DCS), they'd get shot down by SHORAD and even Manpads.
It would be interesting to do the same test with the Bone flying low and fast for this operation. It would be less of a loss in terms of capital and less risk in potentially giving up classified tech if B2 is shot down.
Are ARM's (Anti-Radiation Missiles) in DCS? Poking out the enemy's eyes would seem to be good tactics...especially targeting that stealth detecting over the horizon radar.
They have HARMs yes. But they are really for when you want to follow up with massive strikes on everything, or if you needed to knock something out on the way in. Either way they'll know you're coming from the first pop. This case the idea was to get in and on target before they could respond, and there was a small gap to get through without being detected.
yeah have they been combat tested? Lets keep in mind about decoys. They fool enemy radar as well and force them to drain munitions or these aircraft can target the radar sites. F-35 and F-22 can't carry decoys with sacrificing stealth. Also we gonna be coming from a completely different direction then what they expect and also not all there combat aircraft can defend because some could be broken down without parts, maintenance or other Inconvenience. And long detected before they reach the target? There gonna be flying low or covered by jamming if you understand earth curves then you know low attitude helps getting close to the target.
So you would rather he made it a night mission instead? That would make a terrible, pitch black and pointless RUclips video. Do people think before they post idiotic replies??
Because stealth missions are done at night. If you don't lose your 4th generation, why send in a stealth aircraft. An Strike Eagle can make quick work better than a F-35.
While I know you guys don’t use them because they’re less fun, I am curious as to how different this mission would’ve been had to guys used 5th gen aircraft?
A stealth bomber would not fly with its bomb doors open as it increases the radar cross section. They are open only long enough to drop the bomb and then immediately close.
I suppose the real question about wether or not this mission (in real life) would be succesfull, would be less about being able to get into iranian airspace, and more about wether or not they would be able to actually reach deep enough with the weapons. The MOP can penetrate about 60 meters of ground or normal concrete. Western estimates talk about the iranian underground nuclear facilities possibly being about 80-100 meter deep. We don't know so it might be less but possibly even more, and that's already more than the 60 meter penetration capability of the MOP. Plus they dug it under a mountain, which means it might be a whole lot more meters of ground the weapons would have to penetrate. And on top of that, i would imagine the iranian bunker ceilings are probably also made out of special hardened bunker concrete. The iranians are leading in this technology. In a video from curious droid, he states the toughness of the strongest iranian bunkerconcrete, will diminish the penetration capability of MOP, from the 60 meters through normal concrete, down to a mere 2 meters. All that in mind, even if the US should help with B2's so the MOP can be used, even this weapon might not be enough to get that deep down.
Much different outcome if 5th gen fighters were used. Even with 4th gen you got close. I think Violet was a little rusty but that’s expected if she’s been out for a while
People are saying they sent 4th gen fighters instead of 5th gen cause they had to take out Iran's air defenses. That's a false choice. Use TLAMs and 4th gen for that, but escort the B2's with F-22s.
4:20 The SU-35s might be in Iran already, but are being piloted by Russians. This is likely due to the fact that Iranians haven't finished training on how to fly them yet. Once training is complete, they would be transferred to Iran. But it's very likely that if Iran is attacked, the SU-35s would be used to defend Iran, but the pilots are Russians.
Aren't those VHF systems capable of detecting stealth aircraft because they detect everything? It can detect them, but will struggle to figure out what's a stealth bomber and what's a swarm of mosquitoes.
@mattm7798 no, they're only available as mods which can have many issues, even different issues for different people. It's one of the reasons GR don't fly them much. Slightly less issues with the AI mods, like the B2.
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16:38 Question, is this ground radar picking up SAM sites or is it pre programmed into the jet's computer? So in real life, US intelligence would be able to say "these SAMS are here" and then the pre flight upload would place them there in the computer?
I have witnessed stealth aircraft that ground personel have walked into on the ground and injured themselves. Also your thumbnail is of a B-21 not a B-2.
3:58 Except they can. Iran has disposable drone interceptors. They are launched similarly to missiles, but they aren't, they're drones. They launch these drones defensively, and don't require a target lock. They just fly in the general direction of the stealth aircraft, and if the drones aren't shot down by the attackers, they would get within range to where they can get a target lock with their own a2a missiles, and shoot down the bombers.
And the US has the F-35, F-22, AIM-120D-3, AARGM-ER, Super Hornets with AIM-174B, F-15E, and F-16s with AN/APG-83. Evrrything shown in this simulation was extremely outdated on the US side.
It won't work. Even assuming that the aircraft aren't detected and shot down (the S-400 is purported to be able to do this), the GPS guidance would be jammed by Murmansk systems. The MOP is useless without precision guidance.
Iran isn't Yemen, the Iranians are on the leading edge on concrete development, they have access to UHPC and there are actual multilayer designs. This is equivalent to the composite armor of tanks, you can create composite armor using different types of soft and hard UHPC. A bomb that penetrates 60 meters of regular concrete or rock might even be able to penetrate 6 meters of UHPC. The MOP will probably not be capable to deal with the Iranian bunkers, nuclear weapons might be the only option for such targets. Destroying the entrances might be the only way to deal with those bunkers, blast doors might protect them from thermobaric bombs and there might be too many tunnels-entrances for each ammo storage.
Nice to have Violet back. Sexy formation landing at the end!
Those 2 MOPs on the F16 was hilarious.
I’m guessing: YES
Haha right. Iran might get lucky but their technology is not even in the same weight class as current gen.
Gotta replay the mission from red's perspective now.
I was just thinking that!
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30K lbs dropped from 40K feet must be an unbelievable amount of kinetic energy... like the Rods from God.
terminal velocity is the same regardless
Someone did the calculations of the hypothetical rods from god and it wasn't that impressive. Less than 5t of tnt.
Dumb bombs hit a terminal velocity too, due to air resistance, somewhere around 550-650 mph. Kinetic Energy is mostly a function of speed.
I'm pretty sure fairly soon we gonna find out courtesy of the IDF just how deep 5gen planes can reach into Iran
They will fire albm's, so there is no need for 5th gen or getting into iranian air space.
This. My guess is Iran is afraid of losing their grip on the populace, who actually don't like the regime by and large, so they are trying to galvanize national support against a foreign "enemy". I think what might happen instead is Israel cripples their economy leading to a revolt like 1979.
I've read that the Mullah's are hiding in deep bunkers after firing all those missiles into Israel afraid that they'd gone too far this time. Perhaps they have.
The f 35 can't really make it that deep due to fuel constraints. But I doubt the Iranians would know anything was there until the bombs impacted.
no you won't. at all. not with that shitty range you won't.
You said "cachet" when I think that you mean "cache" (pronounced cash)
Cachet is a mark of distinction, cache is something valuable that is kept in a secure location
The actual reality is that we would take out all those radars and AD long before a B2 flys into country, with the only exception being that it’s stealth is just way more effective that we know.
The thing with accurate bunker busters is that you can always hit the same spot again for deeper penetration.
No one knows the technical details of stealth aircraft apart from a few lucky pilots and Engineers and of course WarThunder Forum Moderators
This is that kind of "We want to use a nuke but can't, so we made this" weapon.
I’m thinking they blew the development money on beer and wound up with a short deadline so the fired the engineers and called jimbob and earl
Those MOPs are extremely compact for something that weighs over 12 tons! I guess that a fairly big portion of it is some dense material like tungsten to facilitate penetration through concrete and steel.
The principle they use, though, is not so far off Barnes Wallace's original conception of the Grand Slam, from around 1940.
35:00 Of the planned 165 B-2s, just 21 were built before the program was cancelled.
There have been four accidents involving a B-2. Of those one was repaired and another is being repaired now, leaving only 19 left in service.
I know the guys don't like flying 5th gen but this is the exact sort of mission that you would use an F-22 for. Much less worry about SAM's and you'd be able to stick with the B-2 and only move out to intercept the Iranians when they get close to missile range. I would be interested to see how that version of the mission would play out.
F-22 can't carry any bunker busters that can actually penetrate deep enough. That's assuming the S-400 doesn't just detect it, and shoot it down.
@@EnigmaHood I meant as the escort instead of F-16s and 18s.
@@EnigmaHoodbruh…the F22 being an escort in this is kinda obvious. Idk how you read “be able to stick with the B2 and only move out to intercept the iranians” and interpreted it as the B2, a strategic bomber with no air-to-air capability, intercepting Iranian fighters while the F22, an air superiority fighter with minimal air-to-ground capability, does the bombing with ordinance only a strategc bomber can carry.
True, but F22/35 would be heavy guess work in any model in DCS whereas 4th gen is pretty much public knowledge by now.
@@jackrr1832 The problem is that the S-400 radars can likely detect stealth aircraft. Russia claims that S-400 can defeat stealth, but whether it can get a homing solution is a different question. In any case, they'd scramble fighters and launch drone interceptors as soon as they're detected. The disadvantage of stealth is their low missile capacity, once they run out of missiles, they're helpless. Launch enough done interceptors, let the F-22s waste all their missiles on them, and then they're vulnerable to any fighter. The F-22s also can't defend effectively over enemy airspace, if they fly low to defend (which is how they always defend in DCS), they'd get shot down by SHORAD and even Manpads.
It would be interesting to do the same test with the Bone flying low and fast for this operation. It would be less of a loss in terms of capital and less risk in potentially giving up classified tech if B2 is shot down.
Are ARM's (Anti-Radiation Missiles) in DCS? Poking out the enemy's eyes would seem to be good tactics...especially targeting that stealth detecting over the horizon radar.
I believe they do have HARMs.
They have HARMs yes.
But they are really for when you want to follow up with massive strikes on everything, or if you needed to knock something out on the way in. Either way they'll know you're coming from the first pop.
This case the idea was to get in and on target before they could respond, and there was a small gap to get through without being detected.
yeah have they been combat tested? Lets keep in mind about decoys. They fool enemy radar as well and force them to drain munitions or these aircraft can target the radar sites. F-35 and F-22 can't carry decoys with sacrificing stealth. Also we gonna be coming from a completely different direction then what they expect and also not all there combat aircraft can defend because some could be broken down without parts, maintenance or other Inconvenience. And long detected before they reach the target? There gonna be flying low or covered by jamming if you understand earth curves then you know low attitude helps getting close to the target.
You lost a B-21???
$700 million and three lives...Not acceptable
Fortunately real life would go very different than this.
The MOP is a Boeing product?. I'm surprised it made it to its target instead of exploding in mid-air.
How the hell did you say penetrate that many times with zero giggities? Quite impressive. Tanks Cap!
Cool! Stealth mission in broad daylight - what could go wrong?
So you would rather he made it a night mission instead? That would make a terrible, pitch black and pointless RUclips video. Do people think before they post idiotic replies??
The mission failed due to the fourth-gen escorts.
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2:30 don't forget the "claimed" efficiency of Radar Systems :) on a bad day, ground radar can surely be replaced by two people with binoculars.
got attended to two seconds later - cheerio.
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These are the videos you should be making
DCR really needs the Buccaneer ;-)
Penetrating bomb obs got the bots excited 😮😂 interesting mission
Fun fact: Many drop tanks that landed intact in Vietnam were turned into canoes, some of which are used to this day.
Why bother if you're sending in 4th gens? Clearly the IRL mission worked with no losses. I doubt they sent f-18s for overwatch, but f-22/f-35s.
All 4th gens would be destroyed by SAMs and drone interceptors. Anything left over would be cleaned up by the air force.
The B2s attacked Yemen not Iran. Houthis have no air force and no real air defence network. It would take more assets to succeed against Iran.
Because stealth missions are done at night. If you don't lose your 4th generation, why send in a stealth aircraft. An Strike Eagle can make quick work better than a F-35.
He says this all the time but the guys don’t want to play the game when it’s too easy so they enjoy missions with 4th gen.
You're mixing up Iran and Yemen... At least try to keep up mate...
No because IDF will have to do it without our bombers . running a special soon with 20 % off and free shipping...
This is one of those missions where i can imagine CAP reprising his best Top Gear impression "ambitious but rubbish"
Great formation on the return leg 🔥Does DCS model the fuel burn reduction you'd get from flying like 🦆 the way it works IRL? 🙌.......
While I know you guys don’t use them because they’re less fun, I am curious as to how different this mission would’ve been had to guys used 5th gen aircraft?
'Cache' is pronounced 'CASH'! Caché is something different.
A stealth bomber would not fly with its bomb doors open as it increases the radar cross section. They are open only long enough to drop the bomb and then immediately close.
I suppose the real question about wether or not this mission (in real life) would be succesfull, would be less about being able to get into iranian airspace, and more about wether or not they would be able to actually reach deep enough with the weapons.
The MOP can penetrate about 60 meters of ground or normal concrete. Western estimates talk about the iranian underground nuclear facilities possibly being about 80-100 meter deep. We don't know so it might be less but possibly even more, and that's already more than the 60 meter penetration capability of the MOP. Plus they dug it under a mountain, which means it might be a whole lot more meters of ground the weapons would have to penetrate.
And on top of that, i would imagine the iranian bunker ceilings are probably also made out of special hardened bunker concrete. The iranians are leading in this technology. In a video from curious droid, he states the toughness of the strongest iranian bunkerconcrete, will diminish the penetration capability of MOP, from the 60 meters through normal concrete, down to a mere 2 meters. All that in mind, even if the US should help with B2's so the MOP can be used, even this weapon might not be enough to get that deep down.
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Capt, the UK done this first - The tall boy - and the grand slam - we rock. Violet is back i feel contentment.
Different reasons for those but yeah, they were similarly massive fuck-off heavy bombs
Why don't "the boys" like to fly 5th gen aircraft?
Hey Cap, why do the boys not want to fly Raptors?
Hey Violet long time no see
I love these videos but I think this is the difference between real life, immense training and technology versus us guys playing games
Much different outcome if 5th gen fighters were used. Even with 4th gen you got close. I think Violet was a little rusty but that’s expected if she’s been out for a while
After action report: no medals awarded
I have serious doubts that Iran will ever get those planes.
I danced under the name “giant penetrator” in college…this was before the truth in advertising laws were really enforced though.
Ya'll seriously got eaten up by the Iranian AF and F-14s..??
I watch this and think of Queen's "One Vision"
NO doubt in my mind. Bunker Buster.
They’re under a mountain of rock, so only the entrances.
People are saying they sent 4th gen fighters instead of 5th gen cause they had to take out Iran's air defenses. That's a false choice. Use TLAMs and 4th gen for that, but escort the B2's with F-22s.
4:20 The SU-35s might be in Iran already, but are being piloted by Russians. This is likely due to the fact that Iranians haven't finished training on how to fly them yet. Once training is complete, they would be transferred to Iran. But it's very likely that if Iran is attacked, the SU-35s would be used to defend Iran, but the pilots are Russians.
They are still in Russia...
@@jjanovsky1983 Oh right, I forgot you went to Iran and checked. 🤡
@@EnigmaHood No, you fool, they are visible on satellite images - still sitting in Russia...
@@jjanovsky1983 Prove it.
@@EnigmaHoodprove Russian pilots will fly the dam things 😂😊
Aren't those VHF systems capable of detecting stealth aircraft because they detect everything? It can detect them, but will struggle to figure out what's a stealth bomber and what's a swarm of mosquitoes.
I pressed the new ASK button and asked if Cap was British. And the AI concluded you were American.
15:15 is that Simba showing cap how to hug the ground?
Why no F22s and F35s? No way it would be F16s and F18s except in the rear.
Are F22s and F35s modeled in the game?
@mattm7798 no, they're only available as mods which can have many issues, even different issues for different people.
It's one of the reasons GR don't fly them much.
Slightly less issues with the AI mods, like the B2.
why don't you fly f-35 for sead mission?
Hi Cap. Hope you're improving. Not sure why you're getting demonitized. Their putting two full advertising on your clip. Someone is making money.
The USAF would SEAD the heck out of Iran before they would risk a B2 over Iran. And it would absolutely be at night.
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Can they use an IRST on hotter engined planes, life F-35s and 22s?
16:38 Question, is this ground radar picking up SAM sites or is it pre programmed into the jet's computer? So in real life, US intelligence would be able to say "these SAMS are here" and then the pre flight upload would place them there in the computer?
12:50 can a modern aircraft "see" the areas of missile defense radar like this?
Yes and/ or no.
I believe they can have the suspected zones drawn on the screen. (Like in caps f16)
What mach would 7km/s at 400km altitude be? I think the ISS might JUST be safe :P
I have witnessed stealth aircraft that ground personel have walked into on the ground and injured themselves. Also your thumbnail is of a B-21 not a B-2.
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It is just me or the saw wing design resemble the b-21 more than the b-2
Er, that was a B21, as CAP discussed in briefing…
@@Davros-vi4qg ahhh ok yeah i missed that since i just kinda skip to the mission itself
Does the sun rise in the east and set in the west?
3:58 Except they can. Iran has disposable drone interceptors. They are launched similarly to missiles, but they aren't, they're drones. They launch these drones defensively, and don't require a target lock. They just fly in the general direction of the stealth aircraft, and if the drones aren't shot down by the attackers, they would get within range to where they can get a target lock with their own a2a missiles, and shoot down the bombers.
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In real life don't see a F 14 especially Iran's taking down a B 21
Maybe if the F14 could visually track it and get close enough?
Iran has S-300 and S-400............... put that in your simulation .
And the US has the F-35, F-22, AIM-120D-3, AARGM-ER, Super Hornets with AIM-174B, F-15E, and F-16s with AN/APG-83. Evrrything shown in this simulation was extremely outdated on the US side.
It won't work. Even assuming that the aircraft aren't detected and shot down (the S-400 is purported to be able to do this), the GPS guidance would be jammed by Murmansk systems. The MOP is useless without precision guidance.
Iran isn't Yemen, the Iranians are on the leading edge on concrete development, they have access to UHPC and there are actual multilayer designs.
This is equivalent to the composite armor of tanks, you can create composite armor using different types of soft and hard UHPC.
A bomb that penetrates 60 meters of regular concrete or rock might even be able to penetrate 6 meters of UHPC.
The MOP will probably not be capable to deal with the Iranian bunkers, nuclear weapons might be the only option for such targets. Destroying the entrances might be the only way to deal with those bunkers, blast doors might protect them from thermobaric bombs and there might be too many tunnels-entrances for each ammo storage.
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your baby calls you commie? Let the american fan base not hear that :P
Strong leaders don't fight wars.
They avoid and keep them from happening.
17:30 🤭
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