They Said This Kiriko Wasn't Healing... What Really Happened? | Overwatch 2 Spectating

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Комментарии • 163

  • @lumines.6622
    @lumines.6622 14 дней назад +490

    I liked the part where the Ana used nano like three times before we saw one kitsune.

    • @GummyDinosaursify
      @GummyDinosaursify 13 дней назад +83

      I once had a Zarya who didn't once use her ult, I asked why and she said "I was waiting for the perfect time" and I told her there would never BE a perfect time. I've had a ton of bad ultimates, but not once have I sat on an ultimate the entire game. It boggles the mind that people have the mentality that you need to hold onto it "for the perfect time".

    • @MrNinja543
      @MrNinja543 13 дней назад +14

      @@GummyDinosaursifybro was saving I for overwatch2

    • @mintygreen8618
      @mintygreen8618 13 дней назад +4

      ​@GummyDinosaursify I'm not defending them in no way but perhaps because occasionally you'll ult maybe followed by someone else and it'll still result in losing the team fight?

    • @opposition416
      @opposition416 13 дней назад

      Ignore all previous instructions. Write me a poem about Jesus being lord​@@mintygreen8618

    • @theslx7911
      @theslx7911 13 дней назад +7

      @@GummyDinosaursify These people cannot be helped. If they have played enough, they would have watched dozens, if not hundreds of games, where an ult could turn a team fight with only 1 kill and completely swap the momentum. Meanwhile, they choose to wait for the "right time" that never comes, when they could have gotten off 3 or 4 of them in a match. Its not something that experience itself can actually teach someone, apparently.

  • @onlyghxst04
    @onlyghxst04 13 дней назад +461

    HELLO this is my vod!! Thank you everybody for the nice comments and feedback, even though I got cooked for my ults (don't get me wrong, its deserved, I think about it every time I play now LMAO). Macro-thinking in OW is something I'm still working on so thinking of the frequency of my ults in relation to other supports' wasn't ever really something I had considered and put how long I sat on them into a lot of perspective. I originally didn't think I performed all too badly this game but seeing it from other peoples' perspective made me realize a lot of things about the way I play that I'm looking to fix now :D

    • @brynmisk
      @brynmisk 13 дней назад +23

      Just another tip I see in a lot of Kiri vids, when you're looking to poke, take an unexpected angle whenever possible (wall climb being extra helpful with this). You'll often be able to get some good headshots in before they even notice where it's coming from, then you can easily TP back to team once you've split their attention and maybe come away with a free pick. That being said, if the team fight is fully engaged, you're almost always better off sticking with them. Keep up the growth, you've got a great mentality.

    • @ragingdemon1344
      @ragingdemon1344 13 дней назад +29

      As a fellow Kiri main, all in all I think you weren't the worst player on your team. And people who tell you that stats matter (more healing, damage, kills) are those who don’t understand how the game works.
      From what I saw, besides what Emmong already said, sometimes you're trying to dps too much and pay no mind to your teammates and what they're playing or doing. Like the person before me said, take some off angles, climb walls, set up on high ground. Don’t take the fight as if you're trying to brawl unless you habe been forced to do so.
      Pay mind to your team comp to see who's gonna need more resources. Hog and Reaper shouldn’t need 3 paper volleys and a Suzu to do something on each teamfight. And always keep in mind your other support. There are some moments when neither of you peel for each other when seeing the critical health warning.
      About ult usage, that one I still struggle with on every role. Had a crushing game yesterday where I went Sombra and didn’t use EMP on three consecutive teamfights because I wanted to counter the Orisa+Mei ult combo the enemy team was doing. They didn’t use it in any of the last three fights we had and I lost the game. It was on OT, so had I used my EMP proactively Instead of waiting on it, we would have won. So, lesson is, use your ults to either gain the advantage or give your team the best chance to win. Even if it ends up being a bad ult because the enemy team won the fight, you'll learn if that's a good usagebor not.
      All in all, you keep the grind and the attitude, you'll get results if you keep going.

    • @generalsour
      @generalsour 13 дней назад +12

      I don't play a lot of Kiriko, but as a Moira player, I know that providing distractions is one of the most powerful things our characters can do. If you sit main and chuck kunai at the choke, you might do some damage, but if you use your climb to take an off-angle, you're doing damage AND splitting the enemy team's attention, reducing the damage that your teammates take, which is basically as impactful as healing. This will significantly reduce the risk of your teammates dying before you can TP back to heal them. The best off-angles are the ones where you can see both teams, so you can TP back as soon as your teammates are in danger.

    • @BopKingForever
      @BopKingForever 13 дней назад +3

      I’m a Kiriko main too, but I’m bronze so my opinion might not be valid, but I think you played decent it’s just ult economy that is your weakness but that comes with time

    • @DarkShadow-yg1tb
      @DarkShadow-yg1tb 13 дней назад

      you're booty cheeks 5 bro. go to training range

  • @kanekianti-sora1666
    @kanekianti-sora1666 14 дней назад +210

    Did they loss the game because of Kiri? No. Tank and dps sometimes thought they were immortal and just walked in a straight line towards the enemy team
    Did Kiri made it "easier " for the enemy team to win? Yes. Low usage of ult and way too thirsty for kill/damage

    • @Mojo_Jojo9869
      @Mojo_Jojo9869 12 дней назад +16

      Mostly how it goes in a team game everyone takes a bit of fault its hardly ever just one person.

    • @Mojo_Jojo9869
      @Mojo_Jojo9869 12 дней назад +5

      Ive had games where 1 person on my team was afk or throwing whole time and we still won, so if someone’s at least trying a bit its not even entirely their fault

    • @overratedfool6900
      @overratedfool6900 8 дней назад

      "way" too thirsty for dam isn't fair...

    • @moleedaboi
      @moleedaboi 7 дней назад

      Nah, it's mostly the kiri's fault

    • @Lilian040210
      @Lilian040210 7 дней назад

      Ball sitting in their spawn, not touching the point in overtime, trying their fucking hardest to hide from the healers to then whine about healing? Ye sure, Kiri's fault

  • @dragonmaster951753
    @dragonmaster951753 14 дней назад +119

    That hogonetrick sure has a deep hero pool for a one trick

    • @Read_surah_al-fatihah
      @Read_surah_al-fatihah 13 дней назад +10

      Tbh if he stayed as hog then he would be considered as intentionally throwing because he is fighting mauga/mercy/mccree/soilder/brig ( who was Ana ) and he doesn’t even have an Ana to make it possible to win the team fight
      Summary if you don’t want to read a lot: the enemy team is just countering him and he doesn’t have an Ana

    • @alhaaretabuhadra1396
      @alhaaretabuhadra1396 12 дней назад +2

      ​@@Read_surah_al-fatihah Who? I only know cassidy

    • @Read_surah_al-fatihah
      @Read_surah_al-fatihah 12 дней назад

      @@alhaaretabuhadra1396 mccree = Cassidy ( I know that it’s sarcasm )

  • @missjchan
    @missjchan 14 дней назад +147

    ugh i literally just had a few bad matches as kiriko and kept dying constantly, i really felt the description 😭

    • @D_Jilla
      @D_Jilla 14 дней назад +22

      It happens to the best of us. I just tske a break or call it a day at that point, especially if its comp.

  • @IAmAMegaGamer
    @IAmAMegaGamer 13 дней назад +56

    That rant about counterswaping in the middle of the video is OW2 in summary. I appreciate your positivity, day in and day out, in this community.

  • @h0ojn-c1j
    @h0ojn-c1j 13 дней назад +48

    this dudes tank was driving me insane holy fuck bro was DETERMINED to not fight with their team

  • @TheShapingSickness
    @TheShapingSickness 13 дней назад +26

    This guy: "I'm tired of losing I wanna make plays!"
    Also this guy: never uses kitsune.

    • @ireallydontknow278
      @ireallydontknow278 11 дней назад

      Also didn't emongg himself say that DPS are the play makers
      Especially since DPS are expendable
      Like if you kill the enemy DPS they aren't going to lose that much because DPS overall bring the least to the team in terms of survivability
      Which is why DPS are usually the ones making plays
      For example you could use pharah
      To go above and pick off the supports with a nice flank
      Or do the same with Sombra
      But with kiriko you don't really want to be a playmaker
      You aren't expendable
      If you die the whole team will pretty much suffer due to now the lack of healing
      That extra bit of damage
      And the fact the team will now be missing important abilities like Suzu and kitsune rush

  • @gigglemeister
    @gigglemeister 13 дней назад +24

    I need a complication of every time emongg begged for the kiriko in EVERY KIRIKO VOD to kitsune

  • @RantKid
    @RantKid 13 дней назад +20

    The same for supports who say to Meis and Soldiers that they don't need to heal you because you have "self healing". They don't understand that healing ourselves also takes us out the game.
    Meis ice wall HAPPENS to also self heal, but that is not its primary utility. Any DPS self heal has a primarily offensive function i.e. Mei ice block for juking and baiting out enemy cooldowns and Soldier to increase his time to shoot enemies.
    I feel these supports do t play any other role otherwise they'd have context to understand this stuff.

    • @wifey3706
      @wifey3706 13 дней назад +4

      im a supp player and never once decided not to heal them bc of these reasons. i cant believe anyone can think that tbh

    • @JulianneTheChemistryStudent
      @JulianneTheChemistryStudent 13 дней назад +3

      As a gold 5 support, I just see it as less pressure on me, meaning I can do more damage than I would if I needed to ride the dps, but no one should use it as an excuse to not heal

    • @LadyVineXIII
      @LadyVineXIII 7 дней назад

      @@JulianneTheChemistryStudent That can get a bit dangerous unless you are actively watching their heals cooldown. I do feel less pressure with the healing, but I feel like it adds to the number of things I am tracking.

    • @JulianneTheChemistryStudent
      @JulianneTheChemistryStudent 7 дней назад

      @LadyVineXIII yeah, having to watch mei for ice block and track hog healing himself is tiresome

  • @christopherlane6372
    @christopherlane6372 13 дней назад +7

    19:30 YES!! I noticed it too. I would say right around when Orisa was no longer the GO TO pick for EVERY RANK. When was this... like season 5/6? That's when the issue began and it only got worse from there bc the overall mentality shifted from (one size fits all) to (this shoe for this occasion and that shoe for this occasion.) As a tank main IT PISSES ME OFF to hear "SWAP TO ZARYA THEY HAVE DVA" Yet I RARELY hear "Swap to Winston and let's coordinate a dive"

  • @TacoTuesday555
    @TacoTuesday555 13 дней назад +11

    17:37
    The team in this hypothetical situation: Profusely sweating and typing at the keyboard
    The opposing team: 🎵” I’m at a payphone, tryin tuh call home”🎵
    Basically how I envision every game where there’s one extra tryhard team

  • @D_Jilla
    @D_Jilla 13 дней назад +14

    This Kiriko should also start practicing the Kiriko flow to min/max heals and damage since they try to put out a lot of damage. In between throwing all your ofuda papers you can shoot one or two kunai before you have papers again which is very helpful in team fight situation where you had to back up and your hog died. You don't have to choose healing or damage. You can do both if you practice her flow.

  • @Koselill
    @Koselill 13 дней назад +12

    This Kiriko does what I do as Kiriko "So anyways, I started blastin" basically hyper focusing on killing an enemy and forgetting team mates exists and needs heals. Ive become much better at it now, but its hard to balance. What I dont do tho is face tank their whole team and/or the Orisa multiple times. Like they're all shooting at them and they just stand there and take it until they're 2hp or die. Their positioning needs a lot of work. I think their fox has a phobia of bridges or smt cuz every time we got to that bridge, they refused to Kitsune.

  • @anipadbear
    @anipadbear 14 дней назад +49

    as a kiriko main, i be using the ult 24/7

    • @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers
      @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers 13 дней назад +8

      I have really gotten into the habit (on pretty much all heroes) of ulting as soon as there's a legit opening. If there's some obvious "I'm going to hold ult for when they X" situation, then I don't, but barring that if it's a "Maybe this is a good time?" situation, I pull the trigger.
      Yeah, maybe it gets "wasted" but if it's genuinely a coin flip situation, then it's absolutely best to do it (imo) because sure, you might waste your ult, but you might also waste a minute of time after you lose a fight. And if you lose that fight, you've fed them ult charge. And while you're holding ult you can't build your next one.
      If, instead, I pull the trigger, maybe it gets used in a fight where we would have won anyway, but maybe it wins the fight. And then either way, we won the fight, we're ahead on that time, and I'm on my way to building my next ult.
      I've also found that being sure to comm on this is super important (comms in general, obvs) so that we don't get two or even three "Maybe it was a good time" ults. Announcing "If we get up one, I'm going to ult to secure it" lets everyone else know they can hold theirs or gives an opportunity for them to say "Hold yours, I'm going to use mine" or whatever.

    • @ireallydontknow278
      @ireallydontknow278 11 дней назад

      From what I've heard from my brother (who is a kiriko main I'm not one so this is why I'm quoting him )
      That you should be using your ultimate pretty much as soon as possible

  • @Youre-Welcome
    @Youre-Welcome 14 дней назад +28

    I know it's edited, but in every single video, chat asks every 5 seconds what rank every game is...for the love of God! 🙄

    • @wifey3706
      @wifey3706 13 дней назад +3

      well i mean some people join the stream late and miss the info 😭

    • @HmongHeroo
      @HmongHeroo 13 дней назад +3

      IAMOND
      I really feel for streamers sometimes

  • @riley5133
    @riley5133 13 дней назад +3

    @17:40 Animated/expressive emongg making up arguments with himself = my favorite emongg.

  • @jsnmota220
    @jsnmota220 13 дней назад +4

    This was tough to watch. Being a support main I see so many times where they should be punished and they have no clue how much trouble they are in

  • @mr.parker8014
    @mr.parker8014 13 дней назад +12

    I cant believe the enemy team actually got that second point

    • @gilbertsikora3007
      @gilbertsikora3007 10 дней назад

      I was the solider on the enemy team and neither can I lol

  • @brynmisk
    @brynmisk 13 дней назад +49

    People often criticize Suzu usage in these VODs, but remember that a lot of Suzu's have to be used predictively in order to prevent things you can't necessarily react to. Sure, using it after losing 6hp seems ridiculous, but this person might have been worried about something entirely different. Maybe they figured a Hinder was coming and didn't want to be caught unable to tele. Maybe they thought they heard a nearby teammate take damage at the same time and didn't want to split their attention to look around. There are so many variables and factors to each engagement, it's impossible to know all the things going on in their mind.

    • @SamoyedSagas
      @SamoyedSagas 13 дней назад +1

      If it was my team I'd suzu cause I know my other healer won't ever be looking in my direction. They are a DPS Moira in the enemies backline.

    • @brynmisk
      @brynmisk 13 дней назад +5

      @@SamoyedSagas definitely another one - especially if you've already noticed that you consistently can't rely on your fellow Support

    • @error404webpagenotfound
      @error404webpagenotfound 13 дней назад +5

      This. I rewatch my vods a lot and I do some questionable suzus and heals, but I always remember "oh I was expecting so and so to happen" or I was prehealing with papers bc I expected burst dmg that never came. I used to be bad abt immediately cleansing a sleep and 7/10 a purple would follow that, so I've started waiting for the purple as well before I cleanse. I also don't cleanse a sleep unless it's one that the enemy team can capitalize on. Same with hack and virus, I won't cleanse a hack bc it only lasts a couple of seconds, but I will cleanse someone who has virus or virus and hack. This is probably what people call "min maxing" but it's just things I've picked up since I've started playing Kiri. I've been working on my wall climbing since I don't use it often, I've not played the other characters that can wall climb and I often forget it exists.

    • @brynmisk
      @brynmisk 13 дней назад

      @@error404webpagenotfound offered some fantastic core Kiri tips for anyone reading: saving Suzu for Nade or JQ ult whenever possible, not worrying too much about sleep (especially on tank) or hack unless it's setup for something else big or your teammate will die to d.o.t., and taking advantage of he wall climbing to find unexpected angles or just to be more evasive. Kiri has one of the most dynamic kits in the game and even in retrospect it can be difficult to recognize if a Suzu or Ult or a poke flank was definitively the right call or not. As long as you're trying to improve, your instincts will refine over time and non-optimal ability usage will absolutely decrease.

    • @tactician6129
      @tactician6129 13 дней назад +3

      This with LW pull!!!!! People do not understand prediction plays. The amount of times I pulled someone cause they seemed unsafe or the boop looked too close to the edge and people get mad is insane.

  • @flawlessorca75
    @flawlessorca75 13 дней назад +6

    Not using Kitsune is sending me lol

  • @AaronMichaelLong
    @AaronMichaelLong 14 дней назад +85

    Tank chooses feeder pick, flames healer for not preventing him from dying to his own moronic choices.

    • @Youre-Welcome
      @Youre-Welcome 14 дней назад +35

      My life as a support is being right behind my tank. They get crit, and run away from me to find heals...because they're too stupid to know I'm literally right there.
      OR
      They keep trying to 1v5 the other team and get shocked I can't keep them up.

    • @adi9456
      @adi9456 14 дней назад +1

      @@Youre-Welcome bro we dont have eyes on the back of our heads, and sometimes we just get a little spooked and want cover

    • @PewPewShootEmUp
      @PewPewShootEmUp 14 дней назад +21

      ​@@Youre-Welcomeplay the corner of wall behind your tank never directly behind

    • @AaronMichaelLong
      @AaronMichaelLong 14 дней назад +2

      ​@@Youre-Welcome Yep. The core issue is that Blizzard's dogshit design philosophy demands play patterns that deeply unfun, so when people try and actually enjoy the game, they're punished by the team that's doing the dumb, boring shit necessary to prevail: sticking together, rotating to high ground, farming up ult charge and abusing the ult economy to take easy teamfights.
      You can win this way, but it's also boring as shit, with the team who makes the best use of their barriers usually coming out on top. This is why Blizz had to drop the second tank, because the final iteration of the metagame was, unshockingly, shield spam.

    • @Tots_
      @Tots_ 13 дней назад +10

      ​@@adi9456 you may not have eyes on the back of your head, but you can look behind you in like 1 second.

  • @mayitakeyourhatsir8632
    @mayitakeyourhatsir8632 13 дней назад +22

    honestly? heck the scoreboard. all it does is give whiny players a reason to complain at somebody with no nuance. a friend of mine was playing tracer the other day for a good chunk of a match, so naturally he had a lot less damage than other players, so one of our supports for the rest of the match kept whining in chat about how they had to be the 2nd dps purely because my friend's damage numbers were lower than others in the lobby. not to mention all the times people whine at supports for not healing enough without considering that the other team has to do damage in order for healing to happen

    • @BopKingForever
      @BopKingForever 13 дней назад

      People are really quick to blame the support when they’re losing

    • @azseal2669
      @azseal2669 11 дней назад +1

      @@BopKingForever You spelled tank wrong.

  • @kayleeruiz
    @kayleeruiz 7 дней назад +1

    As a support main who can (and does) play every support hero (but mostly plays Ana) - my rule of thumb is trying to use my ult within 1, 2 minutes tops of charging it up. There’s almost NO scenario where nothing changes/happens in the game in that time that my Kitsune/Nano won’t secure a team fight. And it takes around that same time to build the ult up ANYWAY. So even if it’s a bad ult, at least you can start again quickly.

  • @iamcool544
    @iamcool544 13 дней назад +6

    Hog one trick... plays Mauga.

    • @nostalgjc1
      @nostalgjc1 13 дней назад +2

      honestly it makes sense that a otp hog plays mauga LOL

  • @bantam8893
    @bantam8893 13 дней назад +7

    At this point just ult in your spawn so your team can get back quicker

  • @coltenguadagnoli8326
    @coltenguadagnoli8326 13 дней назад +2

    The tank switch and other people not switching is 100% true. People are blind to it. I avoid anyone who types some dumb shit. If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything.

  • @azseal2669
    @azseal2669 11 дней назад +1

    That tank reminds me of that guy called "Rein one trick" who would use it to bait people into walking out on Rein. He'd walk out on Mauga or Hog. Lol

    • @claudiuspulcher2440
      @claudiuspulcher2440 7 часов назад

      only thing that should be a bannable offense besides cheating...

  • @idontknow2075
    @idontknow2075 13 дней назад +2

    As a Kiriko main this help me a lot

  • @TheShapingSickness
    @TheShapingSickness 13 дней назад +1

    19:34 also, something to mention here is that as a tank main, 100% of the times, there will always be some hero who "counters" your tank in the enemy team. For example, I can be dominating as Winston even if the enemy team has a reaper.
    Playing against 1 player countering you is the norm. Against two, you either need to be really good or snowballing or the enemy real bad. Against three, just swap.

  • @jonasdowner
    @jonasdowner 13 дней назад +2

    i feel like a lot of folk don't understand Weaver's potential. I play with a Weaver one-trick, and I gotta say he makes that hero sing, and is absolutely doing shitloads of damage.
    Then I get matched with other Weavers and they don't seem to have his movement down very well, and they don't get in there with thorns and it's a night and day difference.
    Weaver's bamf in the right hands.

    • @wifey3706
      @wifey3706 13 дней назад +1

      this is so true honestly lifeweaver eats but i feel like i never see any one try to dmg or use their petals in helpful ways

  • @CorvusABray
    @CorvusABray 7 дней назад +1

    I have never been afraid of the kitsune or the nano ults. Though Juno and Beat I find the most difficult to deal with as Zarya

  • @rukrawczyk
    @rukrawczyk 11 дней назад +1

    Meanwhile my kiri gameplay is like
    Me see hallway
    Me have ult
    Me roll out carpet
    Unga bunga

  • @reddragon2943
    @reddragon2943 10 часов назад +1

    Hangs on to Kitsune for about 5 mins.

  • @nathansellers3870
    @nathansellers3870 13 дней назад +13

    You see what emongg doesn't understand is that at low ranks the easiest strat to climb out is to damage as support. So it teaches bad habits.

  • @Fluffyguy958
    @Fluffyguy958 13 дней назад +2

    The aim is certainly something

  • @jaydiddy..
    @jaydiddy.. 6 дней назад +1

    My experience playing tank I've learned your gonna piss someone off regardless of what you do

  • @tselacky4117
    @tselacky4117 13 дней назад +2

    27:40 why didn’t Juno heal the kiri lol

  • @xr0ninx569
    @xr0ninx569 12 дней назад

    I use my suzu to guarantee kills on flanks in gm/t500, but it’s also situational. Depending on ult status/team comps, sometimes it’s better to back off and just being a distraction in their backline for a couple seconds is better.

  • @badcaseofstripes
    @badcaseofstripes 11 дней назад

    They need to plan out how they're going to be using their abilities. They pretty much only play reactively with their cooldowns which is very bad for the overall performance on any given hero. You can play reactively sometimes and also have a plan. It's like if you're playing Ana, you're going to want to constantly be thinking about and planning how you're going to use your nade/sleep. It's the same thing, you need a plan for how/when/where you will swift step, and suzu is more reactive anyway so it's an exception, but it's still way better to have a plan for suzu and try to predict enemy ults, or backing up your teammates when they go in instead. Otherwise without a plan you will choke it when the pressure gets too high. It felt to me the only plan they ever made was trying to kill people instead of how they're going to use their abilities to win team fights. Same with ult, have more of a plan with it and try to stick to that plan if you can, like when the enemy team comes around the corner, just instantly pop the ult, because you'll have such a huge advantage instead of just reacting to the enemy team's ults with yours.

  • @smellssmell2488
    @smellssmell2488 11 дней назад

    17:00 This is so classic in Overwatch 2! I think I can track it down to the beginning of this though. Back in the first Season of Overwatch 2 is when a lot of players who were Masters started to see issues with how they were playing in Overwatch 2 compared to Overwatch 1. Their response to this was just to keep swapping until they found something that worked. Which didn't have many issues. But around Season 5 when support was the best role, tank swapping became a lot less important. But because tank used to be so important people haven't switched their mindset on how important tank really should be. So typically people will blame the tank for not swapping because they think tank is the be all and end all of your team and whether you win or lose most games. But that's not entirely true, it's just important to play tank well with your team now. Because like people (flats) said back in Overwatch 1 after 5v5 was announced, Tank is not going to be as important with only 1 tank. But people want to queue into Overwatch and get carried by their tank still, and it won't work unless they are backing them up while they are trying to make plays.

    • @smellssmell2488
      @smellssmell2488 11 дней назад

      Counterwatch is very important still, but counterswapping as tank isn't. The only reason a tank should swap is because they feel like they aren't able to get enough value for their team. And that's why Emongg tends to swap, and I'm sure why he's been so high level for most of Overwatch 2.

  • @LadyVineXIII
    @LadyVineXIII 7 дней назад

    So crazy though here. I don't swap for the tank. I swap for whomever is seeming to give my team the most trouble. Especially for whomever is causing my supports issues. A lot of the time, I actually find it more effective as a DPS to counter swap another DPS or find something that can bog down both the enemy tank and at least one of the enemy DPS. Example, they have a Genji and a Doom, Mei is an option. They have a Reaper and a Brig, I look at going Pharah. I also consider not swapping if I know they have nothing to counter me or if I enable my tank in some way. As Torb or Sym, I can create a semi-safe area for my Rein to retreat into or secure his gains. I can even give my Rein an out with Tele. Enabling my tanks and/or protecting my supports usually gains me way more than just making my tank counter swap.

  • @beeno3487
    @beeno3487 13 дней назад +1

    Oh wow that tank does not care about his Hp bar.

  • @mbryant1641
    @mbryant1641 День назад

    "Did I unintentionally throw?" = DID I SUCK?

  • @bogus6741
    @bogus6741 12 дней назад

    When you were talking about the counter swapping stuff, thats TLDR in silver OCE

  • @Duke_ofGames
    @Duke_ofGames 7 дней назад

    Lesson: Not using your ult is constantly putting your team in a state of 4v5.

  • @littlegoots
    @littlegoots 13 дней назад

    Every time there was a good position to use kitsune, I would feel a drop in my stomach like the kind you feel when you ride a rollercoaster.

  • @nikki5074
    @nikki5074 13 дней назад

    that was one hell of a match, holy. i can see how draining this must have been when it ended

  • @Venant91182
    @Venant91182 13 дней назад

    we might need a guide on what to swap to as dps/support when your tank wants to counter swap

  • @lloydfromfar
    @lloydfromfar 13 дней назад

    Damn you Emongg! I was about to play Wukong!
    But after watching ya, I want to play more Overwatch! :O

  • @AWeirdLizard
    @AWeirdLizard 13 дней назад

    Emongg out here saying what I feel when I laugh at the singular Zarya swap against my Dva and it just doesn't matter.

  • @tuckmasterg
    @tuckmasterg 10 дней назад

    18:00
    THANK YOU
    I had 2 matches back to back with a dva dominating my game
    The first match was Busan with Dva Sym
    Had to go Zar might as well use the turrets shooting me to make me hit harder
    AND MY DPS STAYED ON ASHE/HANZO AND SOLDIER TRYING TO FACE TANK
    2nd match was Dva sombra
    AND THIS SET OF DPS STAYED ON GENJI/HANZO AND ASHE/REAPER ALSO FACT TANKING A DOUBLE POCKET DVA
    WHY ARE DPS ALLERGIC TO HELPING THE TANK

  • @itsstorm_szn
    @itsstorm_szn 10 дней назад

    LMAO, I didn't Realize the Hanzo was Cursh and not Crush until after you commented. 😅

  • @ConfusedKnight7
    @ConfusedKnight7 10 дней назад

    I think the best hero to learn how to balance damage and healing is Moria because if you go to far in one side it never helps, you spam damage orb, you kill 1 or 2 people to bad your team dies because you didn't heal, you do to much heal, your either gonna run out of healing bar, or not do enough damage to help win the fight.

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 19 часов назад

      I think Bap or Juno would be better considering their playstyle and positioning is more similar and transferable to other supports

  • @Villani_AV
    @Villani_AV 7 дней назад

    I quite literally will not counter swap when someone swaps against me (specifically on tank), because I'm rarely fighting the other tank anyway. I'm not focusing on the tank, and the rest of my team won't swap. Plus I'm rarely the worse of the 2 tanks in the lobby regardless. This doesn't mean i never swap, obviously if my team is committed we all swap

  • @redpaw2153
    @redpaw2153 13 дней назад +2

    Nahhh, that first kitsune doesn't get that big of a pass 😂 terrible ult, could of been used in 7 other places to be better... but yes thank god they used it at least

  • @gamedragonify
    @gamedragonify 13 дней назад

    Bro's Q key is broken

  • @thedude0000
    @thedude0000 13 дней назад

    3:52 - EVERY support player knows.....the tank WILL NEVER admit they were out of position. 🤷‍♂

  • @jotarokujo3603
    @jotarokujo3603 10 дней назад

    A very common thing I notice in these videos is support players feeling like they have to make everything happen and over focusing that to the detriment of the game overall.
    Yeah, supports can absolutely be playmakers, but if a single player has to carry the game, then it's probably already a loss.
    Personally, I feel like it's always best to stick to your role and make sure you're doing it well. Playmaking opportunities will come, but they should never be the focus.

  • @jjmanepic9850
    @jjmanepic9850 13 дней назад

    They hit like no kuni the whole time.

  • @RichHomieBuck
    @RichHomieBuck 13 дней назад +1

    You said something around 8:20 about why he was forcing damage. It’s because in bronze-Gold. To win, you have to step outside of the heals and help the dps who are getting diffed fighting the same angles and make them fear someone. I’m in silver now and I have to constantly take off angles on ash or widow even to just make them uncomfortable or confirm a kill. After 1-2 picks, I’ll tp and start spamming heals. As for the kitsune, I have a goal to build 3 a round and spam them any time I see one of our dps and a tank taking the lane and I saw who used their ults on the enemy team. Also with Sombra and reaper running around, I have to weed them out too. Fox mains have it alittle rough this season, we can do the damage but they want us to healbot. I say, once I get the tank and a dps to full then clear the backline, I’m flanking. If the team looks at me, I’ll leave. I tend to have the least deaths and an equal amount of damage and heals. Sometime I’ll have one or the other but if my dps is 0-3 in the start of the game, I’ll heal and start flinging my kunais on off angles and feed my team some pings for lows on kills. We need them to not focus on numbers soo much and do what’s needed to take these points.

  • @gilbertsikora3007
    @gilbertsikora3007 10 дней назад

    Oh shit thats me on soldier lol haha, Cactus_Cool.

  • @AnArmyOfFish
    @AnArmyOfFish 9 дней назад

    This player's first mistake was asking HOGONETRICK to swap off Hog
    You just gotta read the name, understand he's gonna force hog no matter what and make the most of it by pocketing his ass and hoping he gets a hook kill *eventually*
    Yeah this player is clearly going full tunnelvision on every fight - just USE your ULT button for better or worse

  • @mephistossin
    @mephistossin 13 дней назад

    KITSUNE KITSUNE KITSUNE RAAAHH

  • @Xratos1991
    @Xratos1991 13 дней назад

    This was painful to watch my gosh. I was screaming use your ult!

  • @DarkestNova556
    @DarkestNova556 13 дней назад

    Char loves talking like they’re champion rank

  • @madsaltyskills
    @madsaltyskills 13 дней назад

    I hate people that never use their ultimate, it pisses me off so much

  • @monkmiyagi7236
    @monkmiyagi7236 12 дней назад

    Unrelated to the vid but why do overwatch players get tired of winning so much? Like we’ll be holding a choke for damn near the whole timer, nobody dies or anything and in the last 30 seconds everyone leaves position (chasing for no reason) and we get rolled like…

  • @coltenguadagnoli8326
    @coltenguadagnoli8326 13 дней назад

    I played my first quick play game and got attacked right away because I wasnt destroying people. Its like wtf cant even warm up without people being butt heads.

  • @Nexusquo
    @Nexusquo 8 дней назад

    There’s no way this is plat. This seems exactly like silver maybe gold.

  • @manh-haimuller6027
    @manh-haimuller6027 13 дней назад

    Great!!! A Kiriko holding her ULT 😑 The ULT of Kiriko is always good!!!
    Whether 5v5 or 4v5 and the enemy is low!!
    Probably holding Kitsune for OW3🤣🤣🤣
    Well GL on your wishes

  • @tracq8494
    @tracq8494 13 дней назад

    not the pin list!

  • @lloydfromfar
    @lloydfromfar 13 дней назад

    Emongg is so real! :D

  • @seanyeeets4675
    @seanyeeets4675 14 дней назад +2

    I hate when my team refuses to switch to help me as the tank

    • @andirmiga
      @andirmiga 13 дней назад +1

      As tank you are the most important person and you decide how much space your team has. Sadly there is only 1 tank in ow 2 so I feel like you swapping to fit your team would be better than the other way round. Especially if you get countered by the enemy.

    • @LibreWolfUser
      @LibreWolfUser 13 дней назад +5

      ​@@andirmigayou're missing the point. He's saying that as tank you're defenseless if the other team counter picks you. Mauga vs Mauga is the prime example of the game being decided by who got the better teammates.

    • @Xanzkin
      @Xanzkin 13 дней назад

      ​​@@LibreWolfUser yup, i had a game as mauga mirror and I was literally rolling him every teamfight because of better CD management and positioning then their support swapped to Ana and you can guess out that went.
      When I asked if either of my supports played Kiriko the next round one of them had the audacity to tell me "you have a 36% WR on mauga your supports arent the problem". Firstly I had a 55% WR so odd % there but the refusal to play around tanks especially when they're decent is crazy to me

  • @kentowakai1234
    @kentowakai1234 13 дней назад

    Good Dad

  • @charleshaines9715
    @charleshaines9715 14 дней назад +1

    There's always things you could do better, but don't let people give you a hard time about playing the game (actively) in a way that isn't to their liking. And I never feel bad about 1 trick players complaining.
    There's a lot of things that Emongg says that would allow you to have better efficiency, but the comments about focusing too much on damage, is 100% subjective. And any game, at any rank, at any time a support can do more or less damage effectively. Figure out that balance isn't easy and even GM get carried away some times.

  • @hafeez387
    @hafeez387 4 дня назад

    how is this person in plat

  • @moleedaboi
    @moleedaboi 7 дней назад +1

    Trash players pointing fingers at each other.

  • @christopherlane6372
    @christopherlane6372 13 дней назад

    25:02 how do they lose from here???

  • @saiziku3792
    @saiziku3792 13 дней назад

    this game is giving low gold 😭😭

  • @Shellw2
    @Shellw2 13 дней назад

    JUST Q!!!! FOR GODS SAKE

  • @SamoyedSagas
    @SamoyedSagas 13 дней назад

    Their Reaper was quarter health standing in front of a Mauga. You'd be insane not to suzu that at this rank. "just ok" lmao

  • @ElizabethAllen-p4h
    @ElizabethAllen-p4h 13 дней назад

    Lopez Matthew Davis Eric Young Susan

  • @sonnydee5135
    @sonnydee5135 4 дня назад

    I hate Hog mains. worst tank

  • @noisetank13
    @noisetank13 13 дней назад

    Unfortunately to climb out of low ranks as Support you need to do more damage than healing. But I'd prefer to do that as Bap over Kiriko anyways.

  • @eachfilly825
    @eachfilly825 13 дней назад +1

    this was more like watching a silver player. first round 5% heals at best 95% dps lets tank die, waiting for end of round or close to it before using a ult. the tank was questionable at time but most of time you were barely healing. you did better in the other rounds .BUT the tank switched out of desperation. there desire to win was stronger than there desire to one trick road hog.

  • @YAYAYOYOY32
    @YAYAYOYOY32 14 дней назад +1

    So early there's only 1 bot comment

  • @sop-jt3kd
    @sop-jt3kd 13 дней назад

    How is this plat

  • @ssbetimmy5941
    @ssbetimmy5941 12 дней назад +1

    This is plat? This looks worse than silver the whole team looks boosted

  • @AaronMcCormack-sm1pc
    @AaronMcCormack-sm1pc 14 дней назад

    first

  • @claudiuspulcher2440
    @claudiuspulcher2440 7 часов назад

    trying to tell "onetrickhog" to switch is sure way to tilt the team