So far in Berlin and In Katowice the people there were super duper chill , hyped positive no hate of other teams or anything, even though they are big fans of other teams, no quarels or anything like that, if we compare that to Football as an example.
There is probably some natural filtering happening as the CS:GO community is generally toxic, but considering this was a social event it would likely be a nicer crowd
CS crowds are something different. Agree with all the points in this video. Additional thing, the caster reactions are just soo much better in CS. I wish I could attend a major one day.
i think its bc csgo is a game for grown ups. Valorant, and also riot try to make the game like a disney movie. Get banned for saying a bad word, everything is toxic. Riot is a woke company trying to make a game for babies. Thats why the crowd doesnt react much, bc its not allowed.
Furia v Navi at the quarterfinals of rio 2022 had one of the craziest crowds ever. Too bad they end up turning in a library when a brazilian team doesnt run deep.
@@shujagal8744 yeah like saying "roshan" and whistling so loud if the enemy team use "smokes" and for the chinese crowd not attending anymore games after their team got eliminated yeah definitely not bias
Having played both and watched both Pro Leagues, Valorant just feels shallow. Kills don’t have as much weight as they do in CS = less hype. Unless someone clutches every second round in a 1v4 the game just feels bland in comparison
This, the only way for me to get excited watching a Valorant match is if someone pulls a crazy clutch off. Otherwise the game is just boring to watch. There also is the fact that CSGO is way easier to follow and understand what's happening on screen, in Valorant most of the times is just an abilities galore with little to any actual action on screen
Of course it does. It is significantly easier to get kills in Valorant than it is in CS and that's just from a guns perspective. The angles in Valorant are simplified and the amount of utility usage to clear areas makes the tension that comes from a kill less rewarding from an observer perspective because you already knew the player was there
@@cottonmather8146 What do you mean from a guns perspective? CS has way higher movement accuracy, less first shot accuracy, etc. CS is all rng spray BS while valorant requires actual aim.
Kills do have weight, but people by gambling or having a concrete info can manage to turn around rounds, when they have less odds of winning the round. And, imo, when it's 3 vs 5 and team still tries to win the round, it's just way more cool than in cs, when they find a pick and after that round is basically over, which is less exciting to watch. Anyway, everyone has their own prefference of game and I favor towards Valorant way more than CS when it comes to pro play.
As a spectator I prefer cs. But tbf towards valorant, the game has had like 3 "major" events in total with spectators, first one during summer 2022, as the game couldn't hold any events with spectators during covid. Compared to cs which have had events for over 20 years at this point, which creates a lot of history as well in comparison to a relatively new game.
True, as a Valorant fan, I don't deny CS is more developed and I would agree that if there's no CS, there won't be Valorant. But I disagree most of the points in this video.
I'm more of a Valorant player than a CS player but I gotta agree CS crowds are so much better. Its always an L crowd in Valoarnt (its literally what is being typed in twitch chat) with the one outlier being Japan where the fanbase is actually crazy supportive and the arenas are packed with fans. Japan also gets better things like bigger arenas, more hyped casters, better observers and replays, and LAN events when other regions have it online.
Bro I respect you for actually having the balls unlike most ppl to say u agree the other side is better in some aspects, if there is something positive about the Valo community it's because of ppl like you
I watch both cs and val tourneys so I def agree that valorant is less hype but the game did start off during covid so theres less clips of hype crowds and the clip of the entry you did as an example, isn't that crazy. the crowd has definitely gotten better recently (ex. c9 vs eg from 2 days ago) also the past few majors for val has had seating problems and that the stage is really uncomfortable for the fans just a couple things to keep note of in defense of valorant, but cs has an amazing crowd compared to any esport
What has Covid to do with the crowd? CSGO had amazing crowd at Stockholm 2021, Antwerp 2022, Rio Major 2022 and IEM Rio 2023 (when BR teams playing), Paris Major 2023 and other ESL/IEM/BLAST tournaments. These all tournaments had insane crowd after Covid.
@@prateekg9888 kinda copium but like let's bh, csgo definitely have better crowd because that game is like 10 years old, valorant is only 3 years old. So ofc there is a huge difference when it comes to tournament but I still csgo tournament is better, valorant is okay but a lot of stuff just not that great, they always miss kills pov, so like we dont even where the kills are coming from
I'll add one more thing to this. Even with great observers, crowd can only see so much, especially with abilities and all the things happening at the same time. There's a reason why shooters like Overwatch couldn't crack the upper echelon of esports. It's hard to digest what's going on as a spectator. This will become a prominent problem with Valorant not just in the esports scene but the game in general.
well, as a valorant fan I agree that CSGO crowd are louder and better but this is such an unfair comparison, you compared japanese and amarican valorant crowds with BRAZILIAN csgo crowd, the Brazilian val crowd are as louder as the cs one..
I do play valorant more than cs, but I have to agree on the video. Valorant has too much happening to where it eventually gets boring while CS can get exciting because of how simplier-looking but hard it is if that makes sense.
You do make good points in this video but I think that you did forget one thing and that is the cs community is more attached to their teams and to players but Valorant just hasn't had the time for that to happen like Valorant is only 3 years old while cs is 11 years old.
After playing csgo for a year , i got bored and tried out valorant. ..... and i got motivated to play csgo again 😂😂 and i ain't never leaving it ❤. Tbh valo just feels so sluggish to me .
You kind of contradict yourself there. You say that crazy things don't happen often in CS that why the crows is so hype when they do happen. But then you show how the crowd gets hyped about one player getting close to another, like that's a hype moment.
Crazy= Raze kills, Sova Wall hacks, Yoru Invisible and Omen backstab killing, Jett Run and Kill with blades.. With kills like this, there is nothing much to appreciate.
As a CS player, Valorant is a new game. This it’s first year in Franchising. Give it time than compare the games crowds. I still think CS crowd will be better but Valorant’s crowd will step up there game
Yeah I think you got the nail on the head. In CSGO when you see pros do crazy stuff, there's a good chance that you've not pulled it off yourself. But when you see a double stachle raze ult, of a soza ult to kill the defuser, or a neon flank 3k. Chances are you either done it or seen it done by some random in your matchmaking game. This alone makes it less awesome. Side note in pro valorant, so much is going on it's overwhelming. The utility and counter utility in site executes is just nonsense and pandemonium.
You should watch Lock-in brazil grandfinals crowd where it's Loud against Fnatic, the crowd is pretty lit but not on CS crowd level. All things considered Val is still a young game, the crowds will get better eventually. But CS crowd is just amazing.
I think that history of CS has so much to do with this. While Valorant is a pretty new game, compared to CS, CS itself is over 20 years old now and the community grew up with it. CSGO in this case, has the advantage of being taken more seriously, looks more serious and thus the crowd react as if they were watching an actual sport, Valorant crowds react as if they were just watching a game, with low stakes.
the difference is that valorant pro play is a lot more complex. not tryna hate on cs i also love cs but there are so many different agents that are able to do so many different things and so in pro play, they are all working together to execute a cite perfectly and trying to cover the whole site with their abilities. this is also a weakness in the viewing perspective because it is very hard to keep up for the viewer and its difficult to see all of what is happening.
@@snareplug3872 I think this hits the nail on the head. From my time watching CS, the game places a heavier emphasis on solo tactical play and raw mechanics, while Val at the highest level is very strategy based and watching the solo fights is a lot more easy to follow than watching a whole team execute. Basketball also has this issue where in the 90's it was very isolation scorer heavy and now it's extremely strategically deep and a lot fans say they prefer the older game.
when im watching valorant majors im the only one who is getting hype and i know the thrill of it. my friends has a bland expressions except for me, maybe because im the only one who got the intensity of the rounds in csgo, and it applied to me in valorant also.
It's not sad it's just too new of a game for audience introduction csgo is like 10 year of nostalgia and memories and it's not that complicated to understand fast as audience is in in valorant so is understanding fast what is happening as every agent is unique in its own. Come and see in 2 years you will be surprised.
how can u compare the two with this sort of thing? one has been out for a couple decades, the other has been out for a couple years. So obviously the csgo crowds are gonna be wild compared to val. the brazil event was probably the most rowdy crowd in val but there was a lot of disrespect when fnatic won aswell. (Big L for val community) I don't think the analysis needs to go further than the amount of years each game has been out and the community which has been built over said years, but good vid nonetheless
It's just a matter of region. European crowds are famous around the world and CSGO is their competitive game of choice whilst Asian mannerisms are generally more subdued, and they rely more on props to cheer on *their* preferred games (LoL and Valorant). For example, the NBA sometimes hosts matches in Europe and every time they do, the players never fail to be baffled by how more intense the ambience is, no matter how important the match may be. RUclips "Basketball fans and atmosphere USA vs Europe" and you'll see what I mean.
In Riot show, you’ll never see “Fck Csgo”, “drinking beer”, “opening case”. Cs major encourages crowd to be themselves. Val fan can cope with “its only 3 years old game” but look at MSI which was held at the same time with Paris major. I even saw them showed the crowd less then Ads.
In CS you'll also see the classic old "love you chat/caster xy/etc" followed by a "fuck you ..." sign. And everyone loves it! I don't know where the difference in mentality is. My best guess is that the CS crowd really doesn't take itself thaaat serious. For example, I remember at IEM Sydney 2019 when they showed a random dude in the crowd. He did a sucking motion for 2 seconds. The crowd laughed and one of the commentators says to the other "That guy has the same hobby as you Henry!". I really can't imagine that type of humor in a Riot sanctioned event. But I might be mistaken as I don't follow Valo.
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In Valorant there were only 4 tournaments with crowd. You should see the crowd from “Lock//in” tournament in Sao Paolo, they are much better than Danish crowd
honestly, valorant as a game can be hype to play, but i think the lack of crowd reactions come from the community, who make being 'chill' the ideal type of player, in my opinion, the lack of crowd reactions comes from a game that is less accepting of crazy over the top gamers who scream and yell at anything and everything. now that type of player isnt nescesarrily always fun to play with, but can be a hell of a lot of fun to watch if theres a lot of them at an event.
I agree let the game grow little it's too new for personalities everyone is trying to find theyr middle ground as there are many team not even qualifying even though others had big expectations
Idk we are comparing a 20+ years game vs a game that is a baby, obviously Counter-Stike have more history and it's part of the childhood of a lot of people including me and the people in the crowd too. Btw comparations fucking sucks...
Imo, the crowd differs so much is because, one one hand there is a community full off introverted, obese, egirls, simps, emo etc and the other hand is full of people screeching at the top of their lungs constantly yelling racist, sexist and the most deplorable things to ever be said.
Why are you putting the crowd in Japan against the crowd in Brazil? Put the Brazilian crowd at the lock-in tournament, it is no worse than the crowd from cs go, they also make noise when a player approaches from behind or something else. The video was made by a cs go fan for cs go fans, not objectively at all
i think thats similar to why people find football so entertaining to watch, its 90 minutes where not much happens, but when goals or incredible saves do happen, it is spectacular (especially when the goal is amazing). you watch this build up until suddenly you get the straw that breaks the camels back and the entire stadium erupts
Counter strike has decades of fanbase while valorant has only a couple of years. Valorant couldnt fill up stadiums like CSGO does just because of that alone
I always find it funny that its always the CSGO content creators and community that shits on valorant and never the other way round, Valorant lives rent free in csgo community whereas Valorant community just want to enjoy their own game, kinda sad and pitiful for the csgo community tbh acting like an unintelligent animal
I wouldnt say the communities are arguing all the time, right now I have seen way more videos of CSGO players shitting on val as a game , the community, pros who switched games etc. Its really a shame as it made me less interested in CS, I used to love the esport but seeing how elitist people are, when valorant players have generally just focused on their own game has made me feel weird when watching CS games as I am getting roasted for playing a different game at every corner.
The first clip is just how japan crowds are, even concert crowds are like that in japan. Also I think riot controls the crowds, they even give them paper and crayons to make signs. If you want valorant crowd reactions I think brazil had some good ones.
@@leonardoinderbitzin8121 nah, look at the Paris major, people cheering for their favorites, there was even a chant for cadian, NA was hype on mlg columbus and eleauge atlanta
Idk if it's really fair. Valorant has only had 3 years of existence with only 1 year of in-person LANs (thanks to covid) while CS has had crowds since I was in diapers. CS definitely has the better crowds and the better viewing experience, but I'd say Valorant is doing just fine all things considered. Both are fun to watch and even Valorant isn't as complex as most people make it out to be.
easy, CSGO is llike european and latam football ultras/barras, and valorant being a quiet USA soccer crowd, I play both games, but lets be real, CSGO has a lot of history and the most loyal fanbase for any game
adding to the "super" abilities, it's hard to really master a specific champion, Valorant crowds are just boring, games can be pretty intense too (not as the same level as CSGO) butit doesn't change the fact both fanbases are way too different from each other
You can't really blame the Valo crowd, the game feels just so soulless you can't get excited for those plays. Even when a seemingly very good play happens, a crazy entry or a clutch it just feels... underwhelming.
yes I did agree with the fact that everyone is used to seeing the crazy utilities in valorant but the point is, they take an immense amunt of skill to master, from an outside perspective the abilities in valorant might look easy and just flashy but as someone who's a regular player, they take skill , and the crowd is just not appreciative enough for it, that entry you mentioned. It was actually solid and was by one of the top players in valorant but the crowd wasn't hyped at all and for that I have no guesses as to why. and the point of everyone being super all the time sure was accurate to some extent tho. and the legacy of cs if very long, valorant is rather in it's new born stage compared to it. let's wait for some time and I hope the valorant community grows to love the game more and be hyped and excited for it. ps- love your vdieos man!
"it takes an immense amount of skill to master the crazy utilities" What kind of crack are you smoking? How much skill does one need to press a button and get an aoe drone laser strike? How much skill does it take to fire a bazooka? How much skill does it take to make your dogs automatically run towards enemies even when their location is unknown? Your argument is such a joke.
Lmao valorant takes skill? All games takes skill it's just the amount of player ceiling that seals the difference. And valorant has a low skill ceiling
cs is 23 years old, so it's normal to have a a huge dedicated fan, in the other side valorant is just 3 years old + the community is cringe and not competitive
Gotta disagree with you on the abilities, I enjoy both games but I just feel like the intensity of CS and how long it had been going plays a major factor in the crowds. Valorant is still relatively new, and fanbases are growing. If Valorant continues I think it will eventually have crowds like CS (maybe not the shirts off because Riot) but they need time to grow. CS is like soccer clubs that have been around for a decade, while Valorant is like a new sport that people are still trying to understand. You also have to factor in Valorant popping off right around the same time Covid did..
@@santoryu2415 Genuinely what is this based off of? Because valo has plenty of loyal players, a thriving esports scene, and I know way too many people who no-life the shit out of valorant. Trust me I personally enjoy csgo way more than valorant (primarily because of the movement + fast paced nature of the game in comparison), but you're just straight up wrong about this.
@@santoryu2415 Valorant is 100% going to last long, lol. It's backed by a company with a proven track record. Valorant is a worse game but the company behind it will not let it die
watch the crowd in brazil they go crazy but i agree valorant viewers are boring val has only had lans for a couple years so maybe they will get more hype
i have played both ends of the spectrum but currently play valorant and the clear explanation to this is just time. csgo has had 11 years to develop a pure fanabase meanwhile valorant is a fairly new game when you compare the both.
it doesnt matter how new the game is. that would only affect tournament crowd turnout. the valorant tourneys are packed. the fans are just objectively boring lol
not true lol. The reason is because valorant pro scene is the most boring thing on planet earth. Just screenfuck and boring plays, no wonder the 50 man crowd falls asleep mid game
@@zettgundam6317 I agree on the fact that valorant needs time but lmao ??? Are u serious like u have 2 iq or what, not the same decade, not a big fanbase and there wasn't a lot of people watching or going to events lmao ??
I think CS Fans are just a different breed of fans because Valorant crowds are like all other esport crowds. League, EVO, rocket league they all act like the valorant crowd. The most they will do is stand up to cheer. The different of crowd size might affect the vibe too Meanwhile CS crowds has organized chants like they were watching a football match, they had people jumping and hughing each other. Cassidy effect is such a stupid way to explain the difference, you should investigate what makes CS fans different not how Valorant fans doesn't react
Agree with his takes, but Valorant's crowd is getting better over time. GC 2022 in Germany and VCT Lock-In in Brazil have been the best crowds in Valorant so far.
It's not just the crowd, the overall production of events are so much better than Valorant's in my opinion. Even just listening to the casters shit on the crowd and each other makes watching CSGO events worth watching.
Imo, valorant casters use too much of the official ability name. For example, the “roller thunder” coming in, “viper pit”, whatever other util names are. They are casting it like a league of legends team fight than a fps game. I understand there are abilities and they are trying to describe whats going on. But these type of casting makes the gameplay looks like a commentary rather than a live sport. Cs casters also have very solid read on whats gonna happen in the next 10-20 seconds based on what they see, how teams are rotating, what they have been doing, what strat this or that team had executed in the past, how will this players play in a certain situation. Valorant casters don’t understand anything. They just cast the action most of the time. Cs casters also cast in a way to hype people up. For example, “this is not fpl. This is pro league. simple U cant do this in proleague”, “there is no way, there is no way, cadian u cant win pro league like this” etc like there are so many lines u could still remember til this day from cs casters from all these events. And every time i recall a very popular scene, i can literally hear the casters voice in my head. But i couldnt remember a single line that valorant casters had said after match. Valorant casters are very bad. If they are any good in the first, watch party will not be a more popular stream than the official stream in the first place. And tarik probably will not blow up and become the hottest valo watch party stream if the official stream has better casters, better observers to begin with. (I love tarik. Dont mean anything against him). Even til this day, i would rather watch tarik talking random shit than the official casters “commentarying” the match.
Well for me as a player that played both games, I love csgo and hate valorant because csgo or CS in general is so much bigger than valorant will ever be. And much older it built its community not like valo that copied multiple games and put them together of course not copy copy but inspired from other games I will not go into this to make internet war this is just my opinion. So this is why I think the CS community is more "alive" than valorants. You compare to games with same aiming mechanics but one put apex in to it and one is here for years. Almost everyone who played cs and had fun playing will comeback just for the memories, on the other hand valorant is not even close to getting big like cs. I think more fair would be to compare valorant to cs1.6 because both games didn't have a big fanbase in the beginning. This is my opinion. Don't get mad for an opinion. GL HF
so biased lmfao didnt even show the fnc vs loud match where BR crowd was going crazy only for loud though. And its almost like u r feel superior to play csgo.
Also they do a good job keeping the atmosphere fun and exciting at the CS GO events. The one I went to they constantly did mini games and gave away free stuff in between matches and games. Love me some CS
CS has been around for so long Valorant hasn’t had as much time it’s still kind of an infant The time when it was most popular or first starting off was also prime Covid I am sure val Masters will be insane but definitely not to the level of CS because it is still pretty young
Nah I'm pretty positive this game will die out. It's too depended on adding more heroes than it is for improvement on the game itself. Just like overwatch and seige, it will have the same fate
My boy disrespected Val so hard, sure the hype in Csgo is better, but you should do a follow up looking at the crowd in the vct final Brazil and see how val crowd can be at times
I would assume riot has rules against things like taking your shirt off, being super loud, and other things that could possibly be disruptive to the actual event going on
valve doesnt really give a fuck abt anything unless its really disruptive while riot is like that strict parent who doesnt let their child to do anything without their permission
@@thefantasticdrewbox8734 Yeah exactly and it shows at the last major, like Freya saying "fucking" was soo suprising to me and to chat too but it was brushed away like nothing happened, as thing should be
@@thefantasticdrewbox8734 nah just look at LoL events. Riot doesn't give a fuck. Valorant players are just not as passionate as CSGO or LoL players are
a factor is probably that csgo has been around since a long while now and all this time built up a huge audience and nailed down how to esport the heck out of it
I don't think valorant is gonna last long, with how bad the community content is and how dependent on it on operator updates. It's just gonna turn out like overwatch and seige.
@@lordlopikong6940 Valorant only has a scene because its like the CoD of tactical shooters, literally anyone can play it and get kills due to how forgiving it is. It got a major boost because of ex CSGO players tired of CS or a dying pro career, giving its eSports scene validity. Tbh it never shouldve been made into an eSport, theres too much that can happen that can determine outcomes that is entirely left to RNG or game defining abilities rather than skill.
All jokes aside the csgo esports community is pretty awesome
So far in Berlin and In Katowice the people there were super duper chill , hyped positive no hate of other teams or anything, even though they are big fans of other teams, no quarels or anything like that, if we compare that to Football as an example.
There is probably some natural filtering happening as the CS:GO community is generally toxic, but considering this was a social event it would likely be a nicer crowd
@@SortaSalty just asking, how about valorant is it quite the opposite?
valorant always had an L weeb community, the game never ever will be a big hit
@@XDXD-ik5zm fax
Simplicity is key. Easy to play and understand but hard to master.
but no hate
@@Alexxiso why?
you talk about all sports right?
true, same with football. 22 guys kicking a ball. easy to understand but so fcking hard to master.
@@Alexxiso shut up. you have no right to deny unless you are top csgo pro.
tbh its not just the fans its the castors too like in cs we have 6+ diffrent casters that can make you hype asf and feel like you are IN the crowd
TBF Valorant has some decent casters, and even some ex-CSGO talent like Pansy
@@Jane-qh2yd yea but they can’t really captivate you like scrawny, machine or spunj but I do miss pansy
the problem is how do you hype up the game where so much shit happens on the screen that neither the observer, caster or spectator can keep track of:D
@@ga0tza i miss her a lot too man. Glad to see she's still bringing the hype (somewhat) to Val though
Scrawny, Machine, Harry, Hugo and Spunj are goated
CS crowds are something different. Agree with all the points in this video. Additional thing, the caster reactions are just soo much better in CS. I wish I could attend a major one day.
i think its bc csgo is a game for grown ups. Valorant, and also riot try to make the game like a disney movie. Get banned for saying a bad word, everything is toxic. Riot is a woke company trying to make a game for babies. Thats why the crowd doesnt react much, bc its not allowed.
@@tinychamberz Someone had to say it and you did it.
Furia v Navi at the quarterfinals of rio 2022 had one of the craziest crowds ever. Too bad they end up turning in a library when a brazilian team doesnt run deep.
brazil crowd in csgo is equivalent to chinese and peruvian crowd in dota 2 so much bias
That was one of the worst crowds in any major
Brazil crown is the worst. Whenever there is aa tournament in Brazil I just can't watch it. Everyone is just so retarded and full of bias
@@SheeeenaH maybe bc they are supporting a team from their country?
@@shujagal8744 yeah like saying "roshan" and whistling so loud if the enemy team use "smokes" and for the chinese crowd not attending anymore games after their team got eliminated yeah definitely not bias
Having played both and watched both Pro Leagues, Valorant just feels shallow. Kills don’t have as much weight as they do in CS = less hype. Unless someone clutches every second round in a 1v4 the game just feels bland in comparison
This, the only way for me to get excited watching a Valorant match is if someone pulls a crazy clutch off. Otherwise the game is just boring to watch. There also is the fact that CSGO is way easier to follow and understand what's happening on screen, in Valorant most of the times is just an abilities galore with little to any actual action on screen
Of course it does. It is significantly easier to get kills in Valorant than it is in CS and that's just from a guns perspective. The angles in Valorant are simplified and the amount of utility usage to clear areas makes the tension that comes from a kill less rewarding from an observer perspective because you already knew the player was there
@@cottonmather8146 What do you mean from a guns perspective? CS has way higher movement accuracy, less first shot accuracy, etc. CS is all rng spray BS while valorant requires actual aim.
Kills do have weight, but people by gambling or having a concrete info can manage to turn around rounds, when they have less odds of winning the round. And, imo, when it's 3 vs 5 and team still tries to win the round, it's just way more cool than in cs, when they find a pick and after that round is basically over, which is less exciting to watch. Anyway, everyone has their own prefference of game and I favor towards Valorant way more than CS when it comes to pro play.
@@thishandleistaken1011 dude csgo spray have patterns
it’s like comparing american football and real football. one’s a boring copy and the other’s the real thing.
this was a hard read
This comparison is so fucking bad. Tell me u have never watched sports without telling me u have never watched sports.
you a real one
how is american football a copy of football
dont ever talk lol
This video is facts, CS probs has most hype fans in all of gaming. Making another comparison video would be dope mane, loved the vid brotha
maybe LOL? dont know much abt it but their fan base r fkin massive and pretty wild too i think
@@tangstephen2015 nah. Lol worlds is like 40k koreans in the stadium being silent all the time like NPCs
@@jirkanovacek1750 damn. that's sad. I dont rly know much abt the lol scene.
Fighting game fans are just as passionate.
there is nothing to argue about the game, valorant is a cheap Chinese copy of CS. its s1mple really
As a spectator I prefer cs. But tbf towards valorant, the game has had like 3 "major" events in total with spectators, first one during summer 2022, as the game couldn't hold any events with spectators during covid. Compared to cs which have had events for over 20 years at this point, which creates a lot of history as well in comparison to a relatively new game.
True, as a Valorant fan, I don't deny CS is more developed and I would agree that if there's no CS, there won't be Valorant. But I disagree most of the points in this video.
I'm more of a Valorant player than a CS player but I gotta agree CS crowds are so much better. Its always an L crowd in Valoarnt (its literally what is being typed in twitch chat) with the one outlier being Japan where the fanbase is actually crazy supportive and the arenas are packed with fans. Japan also gets better things like bigger arenas, more hyped casters, better observers and replays, and LAN events when other regions have it online.
Bro I respect you for actually having the balls unlike most ppl to say u agree the other side is better in some aspects, if there is something positive about the Valo community it's because of ppl like you
I watch both cs and val tourneys so I def agree that valorant is less hype
but the game did start off during covid so theres less clips of hype crowds and the clip of the entry you did as an example, isn't that crazy.
the crowd has definitely gotten better recently (ex. c9 vs eg from 2 days ago)
also the past few majors for val has had seating problems and that the stage is really uncomfortable for the fans
just a couple things to keep note of in defense of valorant, but cs has an amazing crowd compared to any esport
What has Covid to do with the crowd?
CSGO had amazing crowd at Stockholm 2021, Antwerp 2022, Rio Major 2022 and IEM Rio 2023 (when BR teams playing), Paris Major 2023 and other ESL/IEM/BLAST tournaments. These all tournaments had insane crowd after Covid.
@@prateekg9888 there's less matches with a crowd, and val hasn't had many majors yet
@@prateekg9888 kinda copium but like let's bh, csgo definitely have better crowd because that game is like 10 years old, valorant is only 3 years old. So ofc there is a huge difference when it comes to tournament but I still csgo tournament is better, valorant is okay but a lot of stuff just not that great, they always miss kills pov, so like we dont even where the kills are coming from
The game is just worse to watch lol
@@Lapulga20-kick exactly, val has a younger audience (high schoolers and college) compared to cs most don't have the money or time to attend majors
I'll add one more thing to this. Even with great observers, crowd can only see so much, especially with abilities and all the things happening at the same time. There's a reason why shooters like Overwatch couldn't crack the upper echelon of esports. It's hard to digest what's going on as a spectator. This will become a prominent problem with Valorant not just in the esports scene but the game in general.
I thought it was grass fr 0:01
Fire vid
Yow Goldec!!
well, as a valorant fan I agree that CSGO crowd are louder and better but this is such an unfair comparison, you compared japanese and amarican valorant crowds with BRAZILIAN csgo crowd, the Brazilian val crowd are as louder as the cs one..
I do play valorant more than cs, but I have to agree on the video. Valorant has too much happening to where it eventually gets boring while CS can get exciting because of how simplier-looking but hard it is if that makes sense.
You do make good points in this video but I think that you did forget one thing and that is the cs community is more attached to their teams and to players but Valorant just hasn't had the time for that to happen like Valorant is only 3 years old while cs is 11 years old.
cs is more than 11 yrs old
@@stonedmason614 I think he means csgo only
Yeah I meant csgo is 11 years old but cs is 20+ years old
After playing csgo for a year , i got bored and tried out valorant. ..... and i got motivated to play csgo again 😂😂 and i ain't never leaving it ❤. Tbh valo just feels so sluggish to me .
i only play valo if i lose 3 in a row in cs. just refresher ig
i get what you mean with sluggish, the movement is sooo slow the whole game feels slow paced
@@vesta3544 i play with my cousin just so he plays cs with me after ^^ swaping favours you know
Same, though I still play it because my friends only play valorant
cz u suck hard a valo?
You kind of contradict yourself there. You say that crazy things don't happen often in CS that why the crows is so hype when they do happen. But then you show how the crowd gets hyped about one player getting close to another, like that's a hype moment.
Crazy= Raze kills, Sova Wall hacks, Yoru Invisible and Omen backstab killing, Jett Run and Kill with blades..
With kills like this, there is nothing much to appreciate.
It's not contradiction, people get hyped in that moment because one player got a high chance of getting a knife kill, and that's rare.
@@MZC_GAMING exactly! he was sneaking on him
As a CS player, Valorant is a new game. This it’s first year in Franchising. Give it time than compare the games crowds. I still think CS crowd will be better but Valorant’s crowd will step up there game
Counter strike is also a pretty old game so that adds to crowd having more "connection" with the game or players i guess...
Yeah I think you got the nail on the head. In CSGO when you see pros do crazy stuff, there's a good chance that you've not pulled it off yourself.
But when you see a double stachle raze ult, of a soza ult to kill the defuser, or a neon flank 3k. Chances are you either done it or seen it done by some random in your matchmaking game. This alone makes it less awesome.
Side note in pro valorant, so much is going on it's overwhelming. The utility and counter utility in site executes is just nonsense and pandemonium.
Csgo content creator need clout so they keep talking about valorant LMAO iCANT
the best val reaction by far was loud vs fnatic in brazil
You should watch Lock-in brazil grandfinals crowd where it's Loud against Fnatic, the crowd is pretty lit but not on CS crowd level. All things considered Val is still a young game, the crowds will get better eventually. But CS crowd is just amazing.
I think that history of CS has so much to do with this. While Valorant is a pretty new game, compared to CS, CS itself is over 20 years old now and the community grew up with it. CSGO in this case, has the advantage of being taken more seriously, looks more serious and thus the crowd react as if they were watching an actual sport, Valorant crowds react as if they were just watching a game, with low stakes.
It's like football, you grow with it and you get a passion for it.
csgo's generation is different, while valorant generation mostly has gen z's
Great video bro couldnt agree more
there’s been like 5 majors y’all just find anything make ur game look not dead
Valorant is like this cheap lego from china.
Cs frogs cannot stop talking about valorant while valorant fans don't even touch csgo.
i dont like valo cuz of 1 thing
riot games
the difference is that valorant pro play is a lot more complex. not tryna hate on cs i also love cs but there are so many different agents that are able to do so many different things and so in pro play, they are all working together to execute a cite perfectly and trying to cover the whole site with their abilities. this is also a weakness in the viewing perspective because it is very hard to keep up for the viewer and its difficult to see all of what is happening.
yeah true, but in my eyes that the problem, a competetive shooter hving abilities and healing just aint it+ its hard to follow
@@snareplug3872 I think this hits the nail on the head. From my time watching CS, the game places a heavier emphasis on solo tactical play and raw mechanics, while Val at the highest level is very strategy based and watching the solo fights is a lot more easy to follow than watching a whole team execute. Basketball also has this issue where in the 90's it was very isolation scorer heavy and now it's extremely strategically deep and a lot fans say they prefer the older game.
Let's be honest , this isn't CSGO solely , it is Europe & Brazil , because of football culture.
idk, the boston crowd when c9 won was insane
Brazil xD lol
ironic that boston crowd was the loudest crowd cs ever had
@@janhes141 Yeah Neymar plays CS too
@@uresfffff222 The Boston major was not the loudest crowd CS ever had, not even close.
“if everyone is super, noone is super” so true
"the player bases are always arguing" no, the CSGO community goes after VALORANT, when VALORANT doesn't care about CSGO
this
Same thing happened with Dota fanbase 😂 they always feel superiority complex 🤣
um jogador medio de CS se tornou um dos melhores da historia no Valorant
when im watching valorant majors im the only one who is getting hype and i know the thrill of it. my friends has a bland expressions except for me, maybe because im the only one who got the intensity of the rounds in csgo, and it applied to me in valorant also.
Valo have a major? i am never heard it
@@user-wj4yv7bx8b Champions would be Valorant's version of a Major. Only 2 have happened with only one having a crowd thanks to covid.
Also it was not small spectator peak 1.43mil and average 446k viewers
i remember being on a lan las year and we watched the valo finals. and the crowd was just as that. i was the only one really cheering... kinda sad
It's not sad it's just too new of a game for audience introduction csgo is like 10 year of nostalgia and memories and it's not that complicated to understand fast as audience is in in valorant so is understanding fast what is happening as every agent is unique in its own. Come and see in 2 years you will be surprised.
Cope @@StarboyAngel
how can u compare the two with this sort of thing? one has been out for a couple decades, the other has been out for a couple years. So obviously the csgo crowds are gonna be wild compared to val. the brazil event was probably the most rowdy crowd in val but there was a lot of disrespect when fnatic won aswell. (Big L for val community) I don't think the analysis needs to go further than the amount of years each game has been out and the community which has been built over said years, but good vid nonetheless
also, Val content creators and players will scream "Cringe" at anything so not surprised the crowds are probably afraid to be over enthusiastic
You're overcomplicating it.
Valorant is a colourful game with cartoon characters. It attracts a softer audience.
It's just a matter of region. European crowds are famous around the world and CSGO is their competitive game of choice whilst Asian mannerisms are generally more subdued, and they rely more on props to cheer on *their* preferred games (LoL and Valorant). For example, the NBA sometimes hosts matches in Europe and every time they do, the players never fail to be baffled by how more intense the ambience is, no matter how important the match may be. RUclips "Basketball fans and atmosphere USA vs Europe" and you'll see what I mean.
In Riot show, you’ll never see “Fck Csgo”, “drinking beer”, “opening case”. Cs major encourages crowd to be themselves. Val fan can cope with “its only 3 years old game” but look at MSI which was held at the same time with Paris major. I even saw them showed the crowd less then Ads.
In CS you'll also see the classic old "love you chat/caster xy/etc" followed by a "fuck you ..." sign. And everyone loves it!
I don't know where the difference in mentality is. My best guess is that the CS crowd really doesn't take itself thaaat serious. For example, I remember at IEM Sydney 2019 when they showed a random dude in the crowd. He did a sucking motion for 2 seconds. The crowd laughed and one of the commentators says to the other "That guy has the same hobby as you Henry!".
I really can't imagine that type of humor in a Riot sanctioned event. But I might be mistaken as I don't follow Valo.
I'm a Valorant player and I gotta admit that whenever I watch the ESports it just feels way too quiet compared to CS Major tournaments
THIS IS OUR GAME!!!
BHOPPERS ARISE!!!
MOVEMENT PLAYERS ARISE!!!
PRO PLAYERS ARISE!!!
LOW END PC PLAYERS ARISE!!!!
LEVEL 10 FACEIT PLAYERS ARISE!!!
NEW PLAYERS ARISE!!!
FEMALE PLAYERS ARISE!!!
THE AVERAGE PLAYER ARISE!!!!
UP AND COMING PLAYERS ARISE!!!
HIGH END PC PLAYERS ARISE!!!!
RICH PLAYERS ARISE!!!!
EVERY CSGO PLAYER OF EVERY CULTURE, REGION AND PLAYSTYLE!!! ARISE!!!!
We are CSGO and soon to be CS2.
CSGO crowd is on another level 😎
I agree with the comment bellow mine 101%
In Valorant there were only 4 tournaments with crowd. You should see the crowd from “Lock//in” tournament in Sao Paolo, they are much better than Danish crowd
BR crowd in general is the worsw
Unless there was a brazilian team the crowd wasnt hyped at all.
And even then it wasnt even close to the crowd at the rio major.
honestly, valorant as a game can be hype to play, but i think the lack of crowd reactions come from the community, who make being 'chill' the ideal type of player, in my opinion, the lack of crowd reactions comes from a game that is less accepting of crazy over the top gamers who scream and yell at anything and everything. now that type of player isnt nescesarrily always fun to play with, but can be a hell of a lot of fun to watch if theres a lot of them at an event.
I agree let the game grow little it's too new for personalities everyone is trying to find theyr middle ground as there are many team not even qualifying even though others had big expectations
Idk we are comparing a 20+ years game vs a game that is a baby, obviously Counter-Stike have more history and it's part of the childhood of a lot of people including me and the people in the crowd too. Btw comparations fucking sucks...
great video and valid takes, Keep it up chief
Imo, the crowd differs so much is because, one one hand there is a community full off introverted, obese, egirls, simps, emo etc and the other hand is full of people screeching at the top of their lungs constantly yelling racist, sexist and the most deplorable things to ever be said.
Why are you putting the crowd in Japan against the crowd in Brazil? Put the Brazilian crowd at the lock-in tournament, it is no worse than the crowd from cs go, they also make noise when a player approaches from behind or something else. The video was made by a cs go fan for cs go fans, not objectively at all
There are no arguments. Objectively CS is just better.
nice video, but blud is comparing qualifiers to whole ass major 💀💀💀
i agree master lerc thank you
can't compare JP since culture difference. i highly doubt csgo in JP would have a different reaction
i think thats similar to why people find football so entertaining to watch, its 90 minutes where not much happens, but when goals or incredible saves do happen, it is spectacular (especially when the goal is amazing). you watch this build up until suddenly you get the straw that breaks the camels back and the entire stadium erupts
Counter strike has decades of fanbase while valorant has only a couple of years. Valorant couldnt fill up stadiums like CSGO does just because of that alone
both games have different cultures, both have huge fanbases and none are "better"
Nah cs is better
cope
@@RawfunRahman I play csgo tho
I always find it funny that its always the CSGO content creators and community that shits on valorant and never the other way round, Valorant lives rent free in csgo community whereas Valorant community just want to enjoy their own game, kinda sad and pitiful for the csgo community tbh acting like an unintelligent animal
Came from ur tiktok bro this fire
I wouldnt say the communities are arguing all the time, right now I have seen way more videos of CSGO players shitting on val as a game , the community, pros who switched games etc. Its really a shame as it made me less interested in CS, I used to love the esport but seeing how elitist people are, when valorant players have generally just focused on their own game has made me feel weird when watching CS games as I am getting roasted for playing a different game at every corner.
The first clip is just how japan crowds are, even concert crowds are like that in japan. Also I think riot controls the crowds, they even give them paper and crayons to make signs. If you want valorant crowd reactions I think brazil had some good ones.
ruclips.net/video/k7vOuH39kXI/видео.html (Brazil valorant crowd)
Brazil will only have good crowd reactions if it's a Brazilian team making the cool plays
@@slist436 word
@@slist436 it's the same as EU and NA crowds
@@leonardoinderbitzin8121 nah, look at the Paris major, people cheering for their favorites, there was even a chant for cadian, NA was hype on mlg columbus and eleauge atlanta
ehh i think you're a bit off on the conclusion. i think it just boils down to the valorant community being gay and celebrating pride month.
Idk if it's really fair. Valorant has only had 3 years of existence with only 1 year of in-person LANs (thanks to covid) while CS has had crowds since I was in diapers. CS definitely has the better crowds and the better viewing experience, but I'd say Valorant is doing just fine all things considered. Both are fun to watch and even Valorant isn't as complex as most people make it out to be.
Agree with everything except the last statement. People that say cs isn't complex haven't watched pre-Astralis CS and how it evolved since then
@@Jane-qh2yd complex in the sense, complex to watch
easy, CSGO is llike european and latam football ultras/barras, and valorant being a quiet USA soccer crowd, I play both games, but lets be real, CSGO has a lot of history and the most loyal fanbase for any game
adding to the "super" abilities, it's hard to really master a specific champion, Valorant crowds are just boring, games can be pretty intense too (not as the same level as CSGO) butit doesn't change the fact both fanbases are way too different from each other
Let see the master Tokyo soon
You can't really blame the Valo crowd, the game feels just so soulless you can't get excited for those plays. Even when a seemingly very good play happens, a crazy entry or a clutch it just feels... underwhelming.
eSports with decades long build up of fans vs eSports that started making international tournament 2 year ago
yes I did agree with the fact that everyone is used to seeing the crazy utilities in valorant but the point is, they take an immense amunt of skill to master, from an outside perspective the abilities in valorant might look easy and just flashy but as someone who's a regular player, they take skill , and the crowd is just not appreciative enough for it, that entry you mentioned. It was actually solid and was by one of the top players in valorant but the crowd wasn't hyped at all and for that I have no guesses as to why. and the point of everyone being super all the time sure was accurate to some extent tho. and the legacy of cs if very long, valorant is rather in it's new born stage compared to it. let's wait for some time and I hope the valorant community grows to love the game more and be hyped and excited for it.
ps- love your vdieos man!
"it takes an immense amount of skill to master the crazy utilities"
What kind of crack are you smoking? How much skill does one need to press a button and get an aoe drone laser strike? How much skill does it take to fire a bazooka? How much skill does it take to make your dogs automatically run towards enemies even when their location is unknown? Your argument is such a joke.
You wrote all of this and hardly explain anything. Valorant crowd just sucks and the game is boring to watch, simple as that
Lmao valorant takes skill? All games takes skill it's just the amount of player ceiling that seals the difference. And valorant has a low skill ceiling
@@lordlopikong6940so it does take skill
The fck is your argument 😂
@@yuusha2150 some are more better than others, the other is not devoid of something but one is obviously more sufficient and the other insufficient.
cs is 23 years old, so it's normal to have a a huge dedicated fan, in the other side valorant is just 3 years old + the community is cringe and not competitive
Gotta disagree with you on the abilities, I enjoy both games but I just feel like the intensity of CS and how long it had been going plays a major factor in the crowds. Valorant is still relatively new, and fanbases are growing. If Valorant continues I think it will eventually have crowds like CS (maybe not the shirts off because Riot) but they need time to grow. CS is like soccer clubs that have been around for a decade, while Valorant is like a new sport that people are still trying to understand. You also have to factor in Valorant popping off right around the same time Covid did..
What does covid have to do about the crowd being totally silent 😅
Valo is not gonna last that long
You get bored so easily
The game will not have loyal players in future
Valo is the secondary game for everyone
game gonna be dead in a few years lmfao
@@santoryu2415 Genuinely what is this based off of? Because valo has plenty of loyal players, a thriving esports scene, and I know way too many people who no-life the shit out of valorant.
Trust me I personally enjoy csgo way more than valorant (primarily because of the movement + fast paced nature of the game in comparison), but you're just straight up wrong about this.
@@santoryu2415 Valorant is 100% going to last long, lol. It's backed by a company with a proven track record. Valorant is a worse game but the company behind it will not let it die
Cs tournaments feel like the second German football league, just s tier hype
The quote you used, literally could not have been said any better. It literally describes the entire valorant community.
watch the crowd in brazil they go crazy but i agree valorant viewers are boring val has only had lans for a couple years so maybe they will get more hype
i have played both ends of the spectrum but currently play valorant and the clear explanation to this is just time. csgo has had 11 years to develop a pure fanabase meanwhile valorant is a fairly new game when you compare the both.
it doesnt matter how new the game is. that would only affect tournament crowd turnout. the valorant tourneys are packed. the fans are just objectively boring lol
not true lol. The reason is because valorant pro scene is the most boring thing on planet earth. Just screenfuck and boring plays, no wonder the 50 man crowd falls asleep mid game
@@JTheraos Okay why dont we take a look at cs 1.6 crowd then
@@zettgundam6317 I agree on the fact that valorant needs time but lmao ??? Are u serious like u have 2 iq or what, not the same decade, not a big fanbase and there wasn't a lot of people watching or going to events lmao ??
@@JTheraosyeah why don't we 😂
I think CS Fans are just a different breed of fans because Valorant crowds are like all other esport crowds. League, EVO, rocket league they all act like the valorant crowd. The most they will do is stand up to cheer. The different of crowd size might affect the vibe too
Meanwhile CS crowds has organized chants like they were watching a football match, they had people jumping and hughing each other. Cassidy effect is such a stupid way to explain the difference, you should investigate what makes CS fans different not how Valorant fans doesn't react
Nah, you can't put EVO crowd same with Valorant
When something crazy happens, EVO crowd will go nuts
@@GoomDuy28 oh I honestly dk why I typed out "EVO". Evo is like CS
Agree with his takes, but Valorant's crowd is getting better over time. GC 2022 in Germany and VCT Lock-In in Brazil have been the best crowds in Valorant so far.
Im really into cs but that Brazil one was first valorant tournament i watched, Tarik was streaming it and it seemed pretty hype to me
@@Berttizyeah just play what you want also ignore russians they give ass advice be it valorant or csgo
Cassidy's ult is actually really bad and almost never works.
Bro i love your videos man
You talking about a game thats 20 years old vs one thats 3-4
i mean valorant has had close to 3 events with live audiences
It's not just the crowd, the overall production of events are so much better than Valorant's in my opinion. Even just listening to the casters shit on the crowd and each other makes watching CSGO events worth watching.
Imo, valorant casters use too much of the official ability name. For example, the “roller thunder” coming in, “viper pit”, whatever other util names are. They are casting it like a league of legends team fight than a fps game. I understand there are abilities and they are trying to describe whats going on. But these type of casting makes the gameplay looks like a commentary rather than a live sport.
Cs casters also have very solid read on whats gonna happen in the next 10-20 seconds based on what they see, how teams are rotating, what they have been doing, what strat this or that team had executed in the past, how will this players play in a certain situation. Valorant casters don’t understand anything. They just cast the action most of the time.
Cs casters also cast in a way to hype people up. For example, “this is not fpl. This is pro league. simple U cant do this in proleague”, “there is no way, there is no way, cadian u cant win pro league like this” etc like there are so many lines u could still remember til this day from cs casters from all these events. And every time i recall a very popular scene, i can literally hear the casters voice in my head. But i couldnt remember a single line that valorant casters had said after match.
Valorant casters are very bad. If they are any good in the first, watch party will not be a more popular stream than the official stream in the first place. And tarik probably will not blow up and become the hottest valo watch party stream if the official stream has better casters, better observers to begin with. (I love tarik. Dont mean anything against him). Even til this day, i would rather watch tarik talking random shit than the official casters “commentarying” the match.
good shit bro
Bro I never seen valorant player to hate cs but I always see cs player who hate valorant
Well for me as a player that played both games, I love csgo and hate valorant because csgo or CS in general is so much bigger than valorant will ever be. And much older it built its community not like valo that copied multiple games and put them together of course not copy copy but inspired from other games I will not go into this to make internet war this is just my opinion. So this is why I think the CS community is more "alive" than valorants. You compare to games with same aiming mechanics but one put apex in to it and one is here for years. Almost everyone who played cs and had fun playing will comeback just for the memories, on the other hand valorant is not even close to getting big like cs. I think more fair would be to compare valorant to cs1.6 because both games didn't have a big fanbase in the beginning. This is my opinion. Don't get mad for an opinion. GL HF
I also think a big part of it is legacy. CS has so much culture and history behind it. Valorant, on the other hand, is relatively new.
Good vid bro. Theres always some type of ability on your screen on valorant thats why cs is king
Never upload one of these kind of videos again.
I ACTUALLY FKN UNDERSSTAND YOU BRO. I ALSO HAD THIS IN MY MIND BROOO. YOU ARE LITERALLY SPEAKING THE TRUTHHH. BROOO
val is L
your senetense is killing me. BROO
so biased lmfao didnt even show the fnc vs loud match where BR crowd was going crazy only for loud though. And its almost like u r feel superior to play csgo.
Lol br have always been like that even in csgo
Also they do a good job keeping the atmosphere fun and exciting at the CS GO events. The one I went to they constantly did mini games and gave away free stuff in between matches and games. Love me some CS
CS has been around for so long Valorant hasn’t had as much time it’s still kind of an infant The time when it was most popular or first starting off was also prime Covid I am sure val Masters will be insane but definitely not to the level of CS because it is still pretty young
yea this is really the only difference
Nah I'm pretty positive this game will die out. It's too depended on adding more heroes than it is for improvement on the game itself. Just like overwatch and seige, it will have the same fate
@@lordlopikong6940crazy how you don't compare it to lol that more popular then CSGO and is doing the exact same thing adding new characters
My boy disrespected Val so hard, sure the hype in Csgo is better, but you should do a follow up looking at the crowd in the vct final Brazil and see how val crowd can be at times
@devide real
@devide yeah, why should they be cheering for the other teams?
@@Babienau Because they enjoy the game? Just like the Paris crowd that cheered for almost every team.
Wasn't the arena practically empty once their home team lost.
@@Babienau because people that watch CSGO enjoy good CSGO, not just their favorite teams.
everybody knows valorant was dead on arrival
I would assume riot has rules against things like taking your shirt off, being super loud, and other things that could possibly be disruptive to the actual event going on
valve doesnt really give a fuck abt anything unless its really disruptive while riot is like that strict parent who doesnt let their child to do anything without their permission
@@thefantasticdrewbox8734 Yeah exactly and it shows at the last major, like Freya saying "fucking" was soo suprising to me and to chat too but it was brushed away like nothing happened, as thing should be
@@thefantasticdrewbox8734 nah just look at LoL events. Riot doesn't give a fuck. Valorant players are just not as passionate as CSGO or LoL players are
Make the video more bias, stupido
cs crowds are like Football crowds
Valorant crowd is basically people who moved over from overwatch so it's obvious crowd is same as overwatch crowd
No
CS scene is wayyyyy more dope lol
difference between boys and men .
a factor is probably that csgo has been around since a long while now and all this time built up a huge audience and nailed down how to esport the heck out of it
I don't think valorant is gonna last long, with how bad the community content is and how dependent on it on operator updates. It's just gonna turn out like overwatch and seige.
@@lordlopikong6940 Valorant only has a scene because its like the CoD of tactical shooters, literally anyone can play it and get kills due to how forgiving it is. It got a major boost because of ex CSGO players tired of CS or a dying pro career, giving its eSports scene validity. Tbh it never shouldve been made into an eSport, theres too much that can happen that can determine outcomes that is entirely left to RNG or game defining abilities rather than skill.