thank you so much man, rlly, saw ur art here on youtube and it became my goal to be able to do something in this style and urs is the best tutorial out here :D mad props man, thank you again :)
Hello Cadler, 1q pls. I am trying your process in archviz and I wanted to ask if it is possible for the mask color (15:27) to move / position it differently than its initial position. Thanks in advance ^ _ ^
Superb. I really need to go through all this info, and experiment. What could you say about cinema's built in toon shader and it's options as a comparison ? Oh, and I'm subscribing just for these contributions you made to the 3d community at large :)
they both have there pros and cons. for c4ds toon shaders, you can get full control over the toon lines and do things like, animate them, make them go past the geometry like a loose sketch, etc. BUT I have found its toon to be very slow compared to arnolds, especially when you are trying to lookdev. arnold is great beacause you can mask things with clever use of nodes, completely customize the shader to how you want it to look, the only limiting thing IMO is that changing how the toon lines look is a little lacking compared to c4d's. arnolds toon is super fast to render, even in huge scenes like my elevator scene or the power station scene, those only took 4 min at 5k resolution with heavy geo. In the end, they both have pros and cons, its just about finding which one best suits what you want to achieve. Greyscalegorilla has some great tutorials for c4ds toon if you want to check those out and compare. Best of luck!!
Great info ! Thanks for the more than adequate response. Damn, I thought it would go the other way round with render times, although in cinema, if you use more than 2 render options in the toon shader, renders go form 2-4 seconds to 10, 20+/frame. Still haven't watched your arnold toon series, but will do so soon, after I get some work done. @@caldermoore3165
I would also add that Sketch and Toon can't handle movement between the camera and objects very well sometimes. Flickering can happen. I tried similar animation with Arnold successfully .
Great tutorial! I was wondering how you achieved a fine line around your shadows (referencing your image at 0:25)?I'm using Maya and haven't been able to reproduce this effect. I was also wondering about using the TriPlanar projection for the Edge Detection Map as Cubic doesn't seem to be the right choice for Maya or am I not understanding something?
yup triplanar would work, all depends on what your looking for with the textures you use. as for the shadow lines, i go through how to do that in part 2. for maya use the AIshadowmatte.
@@caldermoore3165 Found the aiShadowmatte and I'm struggling with how to connect these in the Hypershade or the Connection Editor. Got some of the right results but I'm not there yet. Thanks for you help!
I love this technique and the tutorial you have posted. Seems the Arnold shader is mega expensive and out of most individuals price range. Is there just the plugin for just the toon shader portion for us artists that aren’t rich? Hahaa.
My simple fix is to just drag the black node on the very left side , right up to the next node on it's right. This way I get the same hard shadow without any gradient.
Thank you so much for all the detailed information! Do you know any place where I can find textures in a similar style to the ones you created for the edges?
Thanks you so much! Amazing, do you recreate this material with octane render in other tutorial when you can or you have time? Thanks you so much Amazing work
Octane at the moment cannot achieve what arnold can with its toon shader. Thats the main reason why I started to look at other renderers that could achieve what I wanted. Using Arnold over all the others was the end result.
Thank you for this tutorial(s). Very useful. I however have the problem that this shader doesn't seem to accept more than one light source. Is it true? After the first light has been set, no matter how many lights I try to add, and how much I crank up their intensities, they have no effect on the scene whatsoever. edit: actually I see an effect, but the color isn't working (probably due to the ramp rgb node in tonemapping). If I set the color of the 2nd light to red, I see like a white effect.
Great video! However, what version of Arnold for Cinema are you using. I'm running Arnold 5.3.1.0 (A4C4D) and I don't have step as a choice in my ramp settings..**shrug** any suggestions? thanks!
@@technomancr7187 ah I see, I played around with the Maya version and I could see some similarities. tutorial wasn't that bad and could translate some stuff over. whereas for the parts that are not similar, had to do some googling. neat tutorial btw!
Unless I missed something, your final results look nowhere near as good as the example images you use (those look awesome). Is such result impossible using your technique, or do you just need to spend way more time on it?
ahh, so in the tutorial series, I show you all the workflows to get to those looks, I didnt want to show you step by step on how to create it exactly, as i find people take in less info and just 1 for 1 the steps and dont really understand what those settings actually do. but in part 2 and 3 I go through basically how i setup those shaders, its just about finessing and getting the look that works for you, especially considering its very scene by scene dependent.
@@caldermoore3165 Well, but if you don't achieve the look of the example images, how do we know that we actually can do that with your technique? Your results weren't bad, could be used as illustrations. But they were not like the example images. Were those example images made by you using the technique you demonstrate?
@@PeterKoperdan part 2 and 3 are the exact workflows for achieving the looks for the example images, the only difference really is the colors and some small tweaking based on your scene(camera angle, light angle, objects,etc). For the part 2 example image, the only difference really is just the color scheme and I had subtle shadows and grime color. once i built the base shader, I duplicated that and changed the colors for it for other parts of my scene. I also made darker versions of them and applied it to the underside/shadowed areas to make them feel darker.
@@caldermoore3165 Thank you for taking your time replying to me ;-) However, to my eyes your images are not achieving the same 'quality'. Maybe with more tweaking such result would be possible, but perhaps also not. Perhaps some other technical solutions need to be applied in the process of achieving the final cell shaded look. Your video would be more convincing, if you actually produced a render on par with the example images. Peace.
@@caldermoore3165 I just checked your portfolio and damn, those are your images! Sorry :-D But why didn't you use THAT elevator scene for this video?? That would have been awesome ;-)
You are too generous to give a lot of information in one part..
Thank you very much
Please continue adding C4DtoA tutorials
TIME STAMPS:
setting up the toon shader: 1:22
Base Channel: 3:58
Emission Channel: 9:54
Edge and Shilouette Channels: 11:30
Specular Channel: 22:55
Stylized Highlight Channel: 25:32
Rim Lighting Channel: 26:49
Sheen Channel: 28:12
Geometry Channel (bump mapping): 29:23
Thank you so much for your efforts to share your workflow. It gave me a wonderful energy and this is priceless. thank you
I am very new to whole this toon shading and this video blow my mind, the possibilities seems endless.
thank you for sharing your knowledge man
thank you so much man, rlly, saw ur art here on youtube and it became my goal to be able to do something in this style and urs is the best tutorial out here :D mad props man, thank you again :)
Ace work Calder, been waiting a long time for you to reveal your techniques for this since you posted the results on Facebook!
So mind-blowing art. I really like to watch your videos. 🔥🔥🔥
You're a legend. Thanks for these, dude. Now to invest in Arnold 😭
Brilliant, subscribed and looking forward to the next chapter.
you're the man! please don't stop!
Thank you for uploading this.... learnd alot from it :-)
This is exactly what I was looking for but for Octane render. lol
Man this is way more complex than I thought! Thanks for sharing though!
Calder, thanks so much for this series!
Hello Cadler, 1q pls. I am trying your process in archviz and I wanted to ask if it is possible for the mask color (15:27) to move / position it differently than its initial position. Thanks in advance ^ _ ^
AWESOME!! thanks for share!!
Superb. I really need to go through all this info, and experiment. What could you say about cinema's built in toon shader and it's options as a comparison ? Oh, and I'm subscribing just for these contributions you made to the 3d community at large :)
they both have there pros and cons. for c4ds toon shaders, you can get full control over the toon lines and do things like, animate them, make them go past the geometry like a loose sketch, etc. BUT I have found its toon to be very slow compared to arnolds, especially when you are trying to lookdev. arnold is great beacause you can mask things with clever use of nodes, completely customize the shader to how you want it to look, the only limiting thing IMO is that changing how the toon lines look is a little lacking compared to c4d's. arnolds toon is super fast to render, even in huge scenes like my elevator scene or the power station scene, those only took 4 min at 5k resolution with heavy geo. In the end, they both have pros and cons, its just about finding which one best suits what you want to achieve. Greyscalegorilla has some great tutorials for c4ds toon if you want to check those out and compare. Best of luck!!
Great info ! Thanks for the more than adequate response. Damn, I thought it would go the other way round with render times, although in cinema, if you use more than 2 render options in the toon shader, renders go form 2-4 seconds to 10, 20+/frame. Still haven't watched your arnold toon series, but will do so soon, after I get some work done.
@@caldermoore3165
I would also add that Sketch and Toon can't handle movement between the camera and objects very well sometimes. Flickering can happen. I tried similar animation with Arnold successfully .
Great tutorial! I was wondering how you achieved a fine line around your shadows (referencing your image at 0:25)?I'm using Maya and haven't been able to reproduce this effect. I was also wondering about using the TriPlanar projection for the Edge Detection Map as Cubic doesn't seem to be the right choice for Maya or am I not understanding something?
yup triplanar would work, all depends on what your looking for with the textures you use. as for the shadow lines, i go through how to do that in part 2. for maya use the AIshadowmatte.
Ahh... never mind now I see the answer to my question about the shadow edge. Just have to watch the whole tutorial before I ask questions. ;)
@@caldermoore3165 Found the aiShadowmatte and I'm struggling with how to connect these in the Hypershade or the Connection Editor. Got some of the right results but I'm not there yet. Thanks for you help!
Any idea how to do something like this is Unity?
Very nice ! Thank you .
Is it possible, they changed someting with the toon specular? It is not behaving at all like this for me.
The JS Displacement link is here :
windmillart.net/?p=jsplacement
It's a free tool, very good for sci-fi stuff.
Amazing thanks for the link!
Was hoping for an explanation about the edge detection, especially out the toon ID, CAN I find that somewhere?
I love this technique and the tutorial you have posted. Seems the Arnold shader is mega expensive and out of most individuals price range. Is there just the plugin for just the toon shader portion for us artists that aren’t rich? Hahaa.
Would this be possible in Maya?
Thanks man, this is exactly what I'am looking for.
p.s. maybe next time gain a little more db the audio of the video ;)
How well does this tutorial carry over with making toon shaders in maya?
Yup! though there are some differences you have to work around like how i use ramp nodes here, i believe your unable to do this with Maya nodes.
Thank you very much man !
When i put the rgb ramp in the base tonemap i can't seem to get a stepped overlay, it stays smooth. Eventhough i set interpolation to step.
same... He might be missing a detail as he started off with a prepared file...
My simple fix is to just drag the black node on the very left side , right up to the next node on it's right. This way I get the same hard shadow without any gradient.
@@shiroartboy9931 thank youu
Is there any way to replicate this in blender?
Awesome. Thanks for sharing. How is it with Arnold's GPU?
Thank you so much for all the detailed information!
Do you know any place where I can find textures in a similar style to the ones you created for the edges?
windmillart.net/?p=jsplacement :) you can download for free, its basically self explanatory on how to use it.
@@caldermoore3165 Thank you!
great,GOD bless U~!
se puede aplicar en Blender
you the boss
How to get arnold toon shader, sir? Is it built in addon?
Thanks you so much! Amazing, do you recreate this material with octane render in other tutorial when you can or you have time? Thanks you so much Amazing work
Octane at the moment cannot achieve what arnold can with its toon shader. Thats the main reason why I started to look at other renderers that could achieve what I wanted. Using Arnold over all the others was the end result.
@@caldermoore3165 ok thank you, your is amazing :)
很厉害的教程！
Thank you for this tutorial(s). Very useful. I however have the problem that this shader doesn't seem to accept more than one light source. Is it true? After the first light has been set, no matter how many lights I try to add, and how much I crank up their intensities, they have no effect on the scene whatsoever.
edit: actually I see an effect, but the color isn't working (probably due to the ramp rgb node in tonemapping). If I set the color of the 2nd light to red, I see like a white effect.
Great video! However, what version of Arnold for Cinema are you using. I'm running Arnold 5.3.1.0 (A4C4D) and I don't have step as a choice in my ramp settings..**shrug** any suggestions? thanks!
I think the other option is 'none'. basically jus run through them all til you find the one were its not blending between the 2 points.
@@caldermoore3165 thank you!
can this be translated into maya? im wondering if they have the same nodes
I'm working on translating this to Maya now. It's more about Arnold, so the information in these tutorials should work with Maya + Arnold.
@@technomancr7187 ah I see, I played around with the Maya version and I could see some similarities. tutorial wasn't that bad and could translate some stuff over. whereas for the parts that are not similar, had to do some googling. neat tutorial btw!
Allow me to impose on your generosity and ask you to please provide a c4d file for this.
Unless I missed something, your final results look nowhere near as good as the example images you use (those look awesome). Is such result impossible using your technique, or do you just need to spend way more time on it?
ahh, so in the tutorial series, I show you all the workflows to get to those looks, I didnt want to show you step by step on how to create it exactly, as i find people take in less info and just 1 for 1 the steps and dont really understand what those settings actually do. but in part 2 and 3 I go through basically how i setup those shaders, its just about finessing and getting the look that works for you, especially considering its very scene by scene dependent.
@@caldermoore3165 Well, but if you don't achieve the look of the example images, how do we know that we actually can do that with your technique? Your results weren't bad, could be used as illustrations. But they were not like the example images.
Were those example images made by you using the technique you demonstrate?
@@PeterKoperdan part 2 and 3 are the exact workflows for achieving the looks for the example images, the only difference really is the colors and some small tweaking based on your scene(camera angle, light angle, objects,etc). For the part 2 example image, the only difference really is just the color scheme and I had subtle shadows and grime color. once i built the base shader, I duplicated that and changed the colors for it for other parts of my scene. I also made darker versions of them and applied it to the underside/shadowed areas to make them feel darker.
@@caldermoore3165 Thank you for taking your time replying to me ;-) However, to my eyes your images are not achieving the same 'quality'. Maybe with more tweaking such result would be possible, but perhaps also not. Perhaps some other technical solutions need to be applied in the process of achieving the final cell shaded look.
Your video would be more convincing, if you actually produced a render on par with the example images.
Peace.
@@caldermoore3165 I just checked your portfolio and damn, those are your images! Sorry :-D
But why didn't you use THAT elevator scene for this video?? That would have been awesome ;-)
I wish it was Arnold for Maya :D
I'm busy following along using Maya
@@CassetteMelody oh, that's huge! Will wait for your break down and practice on my own too 😊
First!