Questioning Christianity - Why We Can Believe in Jesus

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  • Опубликовано: 6 май 2020
  • In seasons of unrest and uncertainty, it’s hard to believe in anything. During our last installment of Questioning Christianity, we will be discussing questions around why we can believe in Jesus: who was he? Why should we care? And why should we believe?
    If you're exploring Christianity and are interested in additional resources, you can find them here: gospelinlife.com/exploring
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  • @simonbrooke6832
    @simonbrooke6832 Год назад +23

    Thank you Tim Keller for all you have done. May you now be walking in the place where love has no opposite, in the presence of the King of Kings.

  • @franknstyle
    @franknstyle Год назад +27

    Going to miss you sir. Enjoy eternity with our savior now! 🥲

  • @teddymugambi
    @teddymugambi 2 года назад +43

    Timothy Keller. Such a gift to the body of Christ. Thank you for being obedient to God, generations are being blessed because of it.

    • @celenecranenburgh9566
      @celenecranenburgh9566 Год назад +4

      JESUS! Please give our Tim a great big kiss from us...we worship and adore You now and forever...and we'll see him later in Your company. Amen Xxx

  • @michaelbrickley2443
    @michaelbrickley2443 4 года назад +62

    Nothing new but Rev. Tim Keller just has a rich talent for teaching and a passion for the truth of the Gospel.that always stirs my own fire to new heights.

    • @michaelw7504
      @michaelw7504 Год назад +3

      Yep. That's truth, 'nothing new'. lol. Indeed. Nothing new under the sun.
      At the core of it, the gospel is just that: the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.
      The core truth never changes, because He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

    • @michaelbrickley2443
      @michaelbrickley2443 Год назад

      @@michaelw7504 exactly. And the evidence is still the same although some such as J. Warner Wallace have raised arguments to support the early dating for much of the NT. Shalom

  • @mariameyer7350
    @mariameyer7350 2 года назад +13

    Thank You Lord for sharing Yourself with me through Timothy Keller!

  • @michaelbrickley2443
    @michaelbrickley2443 3 года назад +14

    Praise God, Praise God, from whom all blessings flow...

  • @jjchessy
    @jjchessy 4 года назад +31

    Mr Keller! Thank you for your encouraging RUclips sermons and preaches they have kept my mind active during these tough days. I know how you feel regarding your testimony however I am also witnessing Jesus giving me the greatest fulfilment that I have ever had!
    Loneliness doesn’t stop at giving your life to Jesus though, it just means you know who you can cry out to when times get rough.

  • @darae
    @darae 4 года назад +56

    1:23:39 I'm discovering this right now. I've finally given up trying to control my life. Instead, I'm learning to surrender my all to God. I was so self-absorbed, consumed with my own mistakes, goals, etc. I've turned outward instead of inward and it's the most peace I've felt in such a long time. I'm falling more and more in love with God every day and have a grateful heart instead of a complaining, bitter heart. I wake up so thankful for God's unconditional love and it's given me the self-worth I struggled with all my life.

    • @dystopian-future
      @dystopian-future 4 года назад

      I wish I was where you are now....but I'm still in the ''consumed with my own mistakes'' prison, living in the past and feeling so worthless. I pray to God but still struggle so much that I feel like God too has abandoned me and doesn't care about me. I pray for peace but the peace doesn't come. I have so much anxiety and feel so worthless and rejected and unloveable, I don't want to live anymore….:-(

    • @darae
      @darae 4 года назад +6

      Mirisnows God will never ever ever abandon you. You may not feel his presence but he is right there next to you. He feels your sorrow and your pain so much. This world may abandon you and turn their back on you but God will never! Run into his arms. Keep praying to him every second you feel anxious. Ask him to heal your anxiety, keep praying for peace, tell him you can’t heal yourself only He can. He will because he loves you and wants you to be full of love and joy not worry, anxiety or negative thoughts. God loves you just as you are. He looks at you as his precious child. You are so precious that Jesus died to save you. You are worthy because God says you are. Don’t give up my dear. I know exactly how you feel. I felt like I was living in shadows and darkness with no hope. I asked desperately and prayed for God to heal me. I found a church, talked to a pastor, starting reading the Bible, started attending small group to learn more about God and my life has been transformed! Don’t give up please. Forgive yourself because God has forgiven you and he does not hold any of your past sins against you. You have every right to be happy and full of inner peace, that is what God wants you to be like. Draw close to God, obey him and center your life on Him. I will be praying for you ❤️

    • @kerrihelsley3604
      @kerrihelsley3604 4 года назад +4

      @@darae Amen...amen!!!

    • @kerrihelsley3604
      @kerrihelsley3604 4 года назад +8

      @@dystopian-future God really does love you and He hears your cries. He has not forsaken or abandoned you. Keep praying and giving your life to Him daily. He tells us we can cast our cares on Him for he cares for us. Trust Him. I'm praying for you too. Bless you, dear sister.

    • @kerrihelsley3604
      @kerrihelsley3604 4 года назад +5

      Amen

  • @AnHebrewChild
    @AnHebrewChild 2 года назад +10

    24:00 it's nice to see someone talk about JESUS (and not just as an "instrument" of salvation, or the "object" of faith, but _the person.)_

    • @kerry-annthompson441
      @kerry-annthompson441 11 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for highlighting that:
      High majesty with the greatest humility
      Joins the strongest commitment to justice to astonishing mercy and grace
      He reveals a transcendent self-sufficiency and yet entire trust and reliance upon His Heavenly Father
      Tenderness without any weakness
      Boldness without harshness
      Humility without any uncertainty accompanied by a towering confidence
      Unbending convictions but complete approachability
      Insistence on truth but always bathed in love
      Power without insensitivity
      Integrity without rigidity
      Passion without prejudice

    • @AnHebrewChild
      @AnHebrewChild 11 месяцев назад

      @@kerry-annthompson441

  • @davidpatton4746
    @davidpatton4746 3 года назад +6

    Dear Jesus please heal cancer and encephalopathy. Please Jesus help me believe in you. Amen

    • @trafficjon400
      @trafficjon400 3 года назад

      Hope your feeling some emotions in comfort?

    • @trafficjon400
      @trafficjon400 3 года назад

      When you feel a warm feeling after a few hours or days and think your spirit was lifted a little and say thanks. then your in a spirit type flow, Gods

    • @gerneanayres2582
      @gerneanayres2582 Год назад

      When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly." Jesus said to him, "Shall I come and heal him?" The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word.

  • @parkcitypj1
    @parkcitypj1 Год назад +3

    The conversation about Hell and his explanation is the best I've heard.

  • @agiemagadia
    @agiemagadia 2 года назад +9

    Thank you Pastor Tim. Always so thankful for you. Learning from every teachings you share. Thank you. I pray and hope you are well. God bless you♥️ All in Christ.

  • @christinebraun4426
    @christinebraun4426 3 года назад +11

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your teaching, there are so many questions I have and listening to your teaching opens my eyes. My hope, you will teach for many years, thank you, Tim Keller! Thank you!

  • @milels6917
    @milels6917 4 года назад +8

    I have always known what you say about my lovely Jesus now Tim has just put into words what I could never do How wonderful and beautiful

  • @chelseachristenn
    @chelseachristenn 4 года назад +9

    as a fairly new Christian (2 yrs in) your work is GOLD for those wanting to defend the faith. God bless you!

    • @celenecranenburgh9566
      @celenecranenburgh9566 Год назад +1

      Chelsea...God bless you! I'm sure He's doing just that. Remember that our Dad in Heaven holds you in the palm of His hand and none can snatch you out. End of. This is what Jesus has achieved for us. By the Resurrection. We don't worship a dead God.
      Big love to you from England.
      Xxx

  • @milels6917
    @milels6917 2 года назад +3

    You Tim Keller you are the best yet making so much sense ✝️🇬🇧

  • @kathyguo6788
    @kathyguo6788 Год назад +3

    Thank you for the answers, especially for how and when Mr. Keller receives Jesus Christ as his personal Savior

  • @sandracoombs2255
    @sandracoombs2255 4 года назад +20

    These sessions are great. I’m really enjoying them. Thank you so much. Stay safe. 😊🙏

  • @mikemestas9835
    @mikemestas9835 Год назад +1

    for as long as i was a christian He never did those infamous things the world says about the Faith ---Mr Keller sure helped me in my addiction in a christian non secular way

  • @NickyD-fd5xk
    @NickyD-fd5xk 4 года назад +12

    Thank you for sharing your testimony even though it was difficult!

  • @leilacosby5304
    @leilacosby5304 Год назад +1

    Oh Timothy Keller is so spirit filled topics.

  • @karls4451
    @karls4451 Год назад +1

    Miss you so much Tim, but I’m sure you are home with God, can’t wait to be with you in a little while. Thank you for all your work before you left us.😊

  • @Jocky8807
    @Jocky8807 3 года назад +5

    Greeting from Indonesia.
    I am a believer, but I am still have questions. Tq for answering some tonight, especially with resurrection questions.
    And where have you been? I have been missing your lectures this year. I am praying that God is with you in whatever you are been thru.

  • @startuphub4097
    @startuphub4097 4 года назад +7

    There's a part in this talk where he shares his testimony of coming to know the Lord at the end at the 1:20 mark. That's probably one thing he does not do enough but he shares here.

  • @seon-gyoungadams2257
    @seon-gyoungadams2257 3 года назад +3

    Glory to the Most High , our triune God !!

  • @aideenodonnellharpist
    @aideenodonnellharpist 4 года назад +5

    Thank you Tim, thoroughly enjoy listening to your points and answers .

  • @chelseachristenn
    @chelseachristenn 4 года назад +3

    I asked the Lord what hell really was and he said when you die without Christ, that is exactly that, we know that Christ, perfect, holy, kind, peace, joy, kindness, goodness etc. How can one die fulfilled without perfect love, this is hell. I have lived my life without Christ for 25 years, that for sure can be comparable to hell, can't imagine that for eternity!!! (this isn't biblical per se but has the biblical foundation, pray and ask the Lord for discernment)
    God is soo good, he gives himself and shows his love, all we have to do is receive, its a free gift, we need to do nothing to earn or receive it, true freedom I tell you!

  • @JessicaMartinez-gq5mt
    @JessicaMartinez-gq5mt 2 года назад +3

    Exceptional... So grateful for this series. 🙏 ❤️

  • @jimmyjih7752
    @jimmyjih7752 4 года назад +11

    Thanks Justin for proxying that last question and Tim for being willing to answer! Loved it.

  • @peterblock6964
    @peterblock6964 4 года назад +1

    re: 25 minutes into Mr. Keller's talk:
    The minute following this is sooooo important for Christians to understand and attempt to emulate.
    Far too many 'christians' miss this entirely, and as a result are in for Matthew 7:21-23.

  • @laurengalan2760
    @laurengalan2760 3 года назад +3

    Thank you sooooo much for sharing your personal journey! Really lovely and affirming to hear💖💖😊👍🏻🙏

  • @dmmusicmusic
    @dmmusicmusic Год назад +1

    thanks brother, on why we can believe i started thinking also of how the Spirit enlightens us to believe( john 6:37-38, 1 cor. 2: 14) of course that also cannot be understood except by the same Spirit. Anyway, appreciate the videos.

  • @dndwilkins3087
    @dndwilkins3087 4 года назад +4

    Since Chuck Missler and Ravi Zacharias both are gone to be withthe Father, I have been praying for someone I could listen too who has a resonable faith, has a strong Biblical foundation, and was interesting too. So glad I found you.

  • @sabah4123
    @sabah4123 3 года назад +2

    Biblical Christianity is the Only Way to Jesus God Almighty & Eternity with Him. 🤲🇦🇺

  • @grantbartley483
    @grantbartley483 Год назад +1

    Who often stands between one room and another?
    Justin Adour.

  • @donsimonds5186
    @donsimonds5186 2 года назад +1

    One thing I could say when Tim was talking about not believing in Jonah being actually swallowed by the fish, if you can't believe that, you really can't believe Jesus because Jesus referred to Jonah when he said, just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days so the son of man will be in the belly of the Earth for three days and then rise again. If you don't believe the story of Jonah you don't believe Jesus.

  • @nickvoutsas5144
    @nickvoutsas5144 3 года назад +1

    Thank you 🙏

  • @gospelinlife
    @gospelinlife  4 года назад +28

    If you're exploring Christianity and are interested in additional resources, you can find more talks from Tim Keller here: gospelinlife.com/explore

  • @florenceleader5385
    @florenceleader5385 Год назад +1

    I love this video

  • @celenecranenburgh9566
    @celenecranenburgh9566 2 года назад

    I'm in the year 2022...end of May...this is simply 'on topic '. Soaking it up now...

  • @kevincream5864
    @kevincream5864 2 года назад +1

    Rev why is it that when explaining the reason we BELIEVE firstly primarily, is found by nothing other than the WORD... ! the Gospels and none greater than John .. ?
    And when we read and hear this,,, ?we Hear of the Spirit,,,
    The Spirit Realm was very much spoken of by Jesus and yet we whom try to explain His existence are rarely mentioning this ....?

  • @jesuschristbiblebiblestudy
    @jesuschristbiblebiblestudy 4 года назад +3

    Rationalistic fundamentalists are those who think they can treat biblical statements as independent from the ultimate Being to whom they refer. Once this move is made they can then apply preconceived rational structures to fit biblical statements (such as “God is love”) into a dogmatic system.
    But this would be to commit the error to impose our own systems of logic on the subject matter of enquiry rather than letting it teach us its own inherent logic.
    Such systems of doctrine tend to be legalistic constructs of our own minds where we may seem to put grace at the center of a theological system but instead end up with a new legalistic system that does not really set people free in Christ.
    God bless you.
    Amen

    • @davspa6
      @davspa6 4 года назад +1

      I think you must be a first time viewer of his teaching and you say this because he is so rational in his approach? Keller definitely believes in a life of grace through Christ. He is just unusually smart and unusually rational in his approach to Christianity.
      His videos on "You Must Be Born Again," and on "The Gospel," illustrate this, I think.

  • @jessewallace12able
    @jessewallace12able Год назад +1

    I very much appreciate this. I think it’s given me some fresh perspective.
    I’m kind of joking here but why does the guy on the left say “ Jes Hus”, there is some accent or pronunciation of Jesus that I am not familiar with its origin, but have heard it before. Can some one educate me?

  • @peterblock6964
    @peterblock6964 4 года назад +2

    re: 23 minutes into Mr. Keller's talk:
    ¿What happened to modern Christians with respect to what Mr. Keller describes here (and a minute or two prior)?
    The condemnation so many self-proclaimed "christians" pour out on people who don't agree with them is mind boggling.
    Those types really need to reflect on Matthew 7:21-23, because they are not at all in alignment with what Mr. Keller is conveying here.

    • @trafficjon400
      @trafficjon400 3 года назад

      ?

    • @peterblock6964
      @peterblock6964 3 года назад

      "?" ? @@trafficjon400
      Drag the location to where it says 21:00 minutes into the video and listen to the following three minutes.
      I'm not going to transcribe his words and type them into my comment.
      Then read my prior comment and Matthew Chapter 7, verses 21-23.

  • @ALIKOKA1953
    @ALIKOKA1953 3 года назад +4

    One thing that comes to mind is the fact that the destruction of the Temple 70 AD is not mentioned in the Gospels indicates to me the Gospels were written before 70 AD.

    • @annbrucepineda8093
      @annbrucepineda8093 3 года назад

      Good point!

    • @jbeiler55
      @jbeiler55 2 года назад

      One of his points is that things weren't added to what would become the Bible. Don't think you can have it both ways. At 70 ad the events being recorded were in the past. You can't throw it in as a past event and still pass them off as testimony and stories handed down from before the temple falling.

  • @reneewachter1925
    @reneewachter1925 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for your program. Jesus cared, as you said, but with the humble people, not the religious people who put their man doctrine before God's doctrines and did not recognize their Savior, as Christianity does today. We change God's teaching to our own doctrines now that Christians are ignorant like the people alive when Jesus was with them. We will not recognize the end time because we are caught in our wrong doctrines and have turned Christ into a Santa Claus. The book of Mathiew by Tom Bradford is breathtaking about the history and the accounts of Christianity and its pitfalls.

  • @thecarolinaherald
    @thecarolinaherald 11 месяцев назад +1

    What was the book by CS Lewis?

  • @alldadsunited
    @alldadsunited 2 года назад +1

    Law enforcement takes as many eye witness accounts as possible because of the individual particular “observation” of the same event

  • @martarico186
    @martarico186 2 года назад +1

    This is awesome! One question, did you mean is ok to have confession at a catholic church? Confession in this church makes the priest absolve the person from their sins as the priest doing it in proxy fir God. I'm confused about your statement in this matter.

  • @peterblock6964
    @peterblock6964 4 года назад +2

    re: The last part (~33-35 minutes in) of Mr. Keller's talk is about the Resurrection as proof of Jesus's unique Divinity.
    A problem here is conclusion overreach.
    There are ten other instances of resurrection related in the Bible, attributed to either Jesus or a disciple.
    Those ten people were not Divine, so the act of resurrection itself does not convey Divinity.
    The ability to cause it is certainly impressive but may mean no more than humanity doesn't yet understand life, and death, processes and/or meaning.
    The evidence presented does indicate Jesus not only understood but had command over it.
    It is faulty reasoning to reach beyond that in our conclusions.

    • @lordheadass3662
      @lordheadass3662 Год назад

      except nobody but Jesus resurrected Jesus, unlike the others

    • @peterblock6964
      @peterblock6964 Год назад

      There are also other instances of resurrection outside the Bible, @@lordheadass3662, in non-Christian cultures.
      Some of those were also "self-resurrection," so even your comment is not unique.
      If that's the reason you identify as Christian, your faith is not well grounded.
      The other instances of "self-resurrection" were not even by someone claiming to be the sole offspring of "God" or even claimed to be some such thing by their followers.
      For someone's faith to be based on something like this being entirely unique throughout time and "proof" of Divinity is simply a fallacy and a sign of extremely naive and weak faith.

  • @auntierocks4525
    @auntierocks4525 4 года назад +1

    What book by C.S. Lewis is Pastor Tim referencing?

  • @leeabe3932
    @leeabe3932 4 года назад +3

    In the Q&A1: Jesus as a mere metaphor and His teachings as mere moral teachings just doesn't work and is not useful. You have to take the totality of Jesus as historical and real to believe any of His teachings are valid for all time as He says it is. Good point!
    Q&A2: If you accept Jesus as a good teacher but not as God doesn't make you a follower - a Christian. You're just an admirer. If you really understood what He claims and taught, you would know His moral teaching is based on the identity He claimed.

    • @trafficjon400
      @trafficjon400 3 года назад

      What was Jesus identity that sounds so meaning full to you please?

  • @gerneanayres2582
    @gerneanayres2582 Год назад +1

    What about going to Egypt to the valley of the Kings Statues from the temple at Luxor is of Rameses ll may have been the Pharaoh confronted by Moses and Aron even An alabaster figure dedicated to the God Ishtar it was found at Mari one of most influential cities of Mesopotamia during Abrams time and now we have Beautiful Church Buildings nothing changed there always been Temples from civilisation in every town

  • @dylansylvan6398
    @dylansylvan6398 2 года назад

    Mat 7:15-20 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." See Derek Prince on spiritual gifts such as discerning spirits.

  • @gherrocrucible
    @gherrocrucible Год назад +1

    The term "son of man" and "son of God"... do not mean what most people think. Therefore, Jesus never actually said "I am the Son of God"...

  • @stuartknechtle9575
    @stuartknechtle9575 4 года назад +1

    Another resource -ruclips.net/video/5XNOep8JXFo/видео.html

  • @davidpatton4746
    @davidpatton4746 3 года назад +1

    I believed Jesus was true

    • @trafficjon400
      @trafficjon400 3 года назад

      who believe he real and not true?

  • @JesseMeijer
    @JesseMeijer Год назад +1

    It is well-known that there is correllation between religion and health after of multiple studies on this topic. He misrepresents the study by stating that "gathering people once a week to have deep social participation with eachother thay me be the WHOLE reason, i.o.w. what they say is they have nothing to do with believes".
    This is misleading because even in the abstract that he quotes from it mentions: "it has been suggested that religious services are positive social environments that foster ATTITUDES, MOTIVATIONS, GOALS and social interactions that mitigate the deleterious effects of social and psychological stressors on physiologic dysregulation and risks for mortality."
    This certainly has to do with what people believe. This is not what a honest scholar and a real Christian would do in my opinion.

  • @zipjacketgamer1097
    @zipjacketgamer1097 2 года назад +1

    What is with people like this they act like the word Christian is some big deal oh look at me I'm a Christian I'm a Christian Christian Christian Christian the word Christian means like Christ that's all it means if you're a Christian okay you're like Christ but we don't follow Jesus Christ in the Old testament we follow the apostle Paul today that Christ works through Jesus Christ gave Paul a new doctrine we now live in a dispensation of Grace today we don't live in the dispensation of Israel that has been postponed for right now and now we live in an era of Grace given to us by Jesus Christ.

  • @davidclark2592
    @davidclark2592 4 года назад +4

    The most important teaching in the old testament is Daniel 1. Everyone is fat and sick because they eat the royal food - meat, dairy, oil and sugar. I think Dr John McDougall's diet is best.

    • @PaDutchRunner
      @PaDutchRunner 4 года назад

      I wouldn’t call it the most important teaching by any measure, but I have been a mcdougaller since 2013, and it’s definitely transformed my health.

  • @musikboy6567
    @musikboy6567 Год назад

    S

  • @trafficjon400
    @trafficjon400 3 года назад +1

    God said any preacher off a bit is off all the way. Bible is not proof? Faith is not proof. Sucks to believe and hope is all. any thing else is not of creation.

  • @christalimerick
    @christalimerick 3 месяца назад

    Kabbalism looks at the Bible as a mere metaphor, an allegory. You can take the bible that way but then you are a kabbalist, which is a legit religion but an esoteric occult gnostic one most likely started by the snake in the garden with his promises: "you can become god by reaching higher and higher levels of consciousness, ending in Christ consciousness, you can know more and more until you know all God's "secrets", (enlightenment) and you won't die".

  • @dalekeener908
    @dalekeener908 3 года назад

    No

  • @peterblock6964
    @peterblock6964 4 года назад +1

    re: 26:30~29:00
    Jesus's claims are exactly those of a person who has fully realized the truths of Adwaita Vendanta.
    While there is not historical precedent for this within Judaism, the historical precedent within Adwaita Vendanta predates Jesus.

    • @TheCruiseDog
      @TheCruiseDog 2 года назад

      Uh, no. Not even close.

    • @peterblock6964
      @peterblock6964 2 года назад

      Sorry @@TheCruiseDog, my facts are solid.
      Your opinion is "not even close."

    • @TheCruiseDog
      @TheCruiseDog 2 года назад

      @@peterblock6964 Please cite ten principles that are exactly like Jesus so that I might verify your claim or contrast them. From my limited exposure to Advaita, I do not agree with you. But, if you will show me, I am willing to consider it. How's that?

    • @peterblock6964
      @peterblock6964 2 года назад

      @@TheCruiseDog
      "I and my father are one" is either an Adwaita Vedanta claim,
      or Jesus was referring to being a biological clone of his "father."
      "Truly I say to you, inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these, My brothers, you have done it to Me" is also an Adwaita Vedanta teaching.

    • @TheCruiseDog
      @TheCruiseDog 2 года назад +1

      @@peterblock6964 Can you supply the source of these as I have requested, please?

  • @peterblock6964
    @peterblock6964 4 года назад +2

    re: ~9 minutes into Mr. Keller's talk:
    None of Jesus's disciples and followers were either trained Rabbis or trained Historians.
    And none of these were spiritually evolved enough to fully understand what they had witnessed and/or experienced.
    So while I can agree about equating the Bible to Grimm's Fairy Tales being an extreme exaggeration,
    I will also insist it is neither Rabbinical transmission nor formal History.

    • @TheCruiseDog
      @TheCruiseDog 2 года назад +1

      By what evidence do you have for your insistence that it is neither Rabbinical or historical? Please cite it.

    • @peterblock6964
      @peterblock6964 2 года назад

      Well @@TheCruiseDog, ¿Which of the disciples of Jesus were trained Rabbis?
      ¿Which of the direct followers of Jesus were trained historians?

    • @TheCruiseDog
      @TheCruiseDog 2 года назад +1

      ​@@peterblock6964 Regarding the Rabbinical Tradition, this refers to the transmission of the Torah. They used the scriptures that were passed down from many prior centuries. Jesus and his disciples considered them authoritative and quoted extensively from them in their Gospels and epistles.
      As far as trained historians, Luke comes the closest. He wrote most of the New Testament. As a physician, he was trained how to read and write documents in the Roman Empire. In his introduction to Luke and Acts, he carefully states that he interviewed all the witness he could find to verify his facts. He is so accurate in his locations of cities, rivers, and government officials presiding at the time, it is not questioned by historians. His information is verified by secular sources, including recent archaeology.
      Matthew was a tax collector employed by Rome. He, too, would be no stranger to the historical documents and their structure.
      Other trained Rabbis include Paul, Nicodemus, and Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus is referred to as a Rabbi and may have had classical training, so he didn't need it as displayed with his Temple visit at the age of 12.

    • @peterblock6964
      @peterblock6964 2 года назад

      True, they may have quoted from their cultural tradition @@TheCruiseDog.
      That doesn't automatically validate their cultural tradition.
      It just means that's a logical common starting point for dialog and teaching.
      You have to start with what people are familiar with before moving beyond.
      Correctly identifying the location of cities, rivers, and naming government officials presiding at the time is not that amazing of an accomplishment.
      You have to observant, inquisitive, and honest.
      This much does not qualify any of them as "trained historians."
      You mention Luke as a trained physician, not a trained historian.
      Mathew as a trained tax collector.
      So we agree on the "no trained historians" claim.
      I found mention of Joseph of Arimathea as a Pharisee but not as a rabbi.
      Nicodemus was also a Pharisee, and a member of the Sanhedrin, but not a disciple or even a follower of Jesus.
      I was wrong about Paul not being a trained Rabbi.
      (Although contemporary Rabbi Tovia Singer appears to denigrate Paul's Rabbi credentials and claims Paul either didn't know the Jewish scriptures accurately or gave a false rendering of them in order to shoehorn the new religion of Jesus into that tradition.)
      As there is no rabbinical tradition in Christianity, the New Testament is certainly not rabbinical transmission.
      Therefore the Christian Bible taken as a whole cannot be considered rabbinical transmission.
      We should be able to agree on that.
      In order to understand the significance of the spiritual experiences the disciples and followers had with Jesus is orders of magnitude beyond those basic (even if not as common as they should be) human abilities/qualities of observance, inquisitiveness, and honesty.
      In order to understand the significance of the experiences of Jesus himself, described and/or demonstrated by himself directly, is again orders of magnitude beyond the previous.
      The disciples and followers of Jesus may have been more or less observant, inquisitive, and honest, but that doesn't even begin to qualify any of them as actually understanding His teachings or their own spiritual experiences through Him.
      To claim that because ordinary human life was described accurately proves that spiritual understanding was accurate would be pure naive spiritual immaturity.

    • @TheCruiseDog
      @TheCruiseDog 2 года назад +1

      ​@@peterblock6964 Concerning Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea as Rabbis, this is from Wikipedia concerning the Sanhedrin:
      The Sanhedrin (Hebrew and Aramaic: סַנְהֶדְרִין; Greek: Συνέδριον,[1] synedrion, 'sitting together,' hence 'assembly' or 'council') were assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one elders (known as "rabbis" after the destruction of the Second Temple), who were appointed to sit as a tribunal in every city in the ancient Land of Israel.
      Concerning Nicodemus not being a disciple of Jesus, he attended to the burial of Jesus as a member of the Sanhedrin which shows a definite break with them. So, I disagree with your assessment with him.
      Much of the New Testament was written by Paul, a Rabbi. Jesus himself was called a Rabbi and taught regularly in the Synagogues and the Temple. His words are direct quotes. Your claim that the New Testament was not Rabbinical falls short of the truth.
      One does not have to be a trained historian to be a historian. Personal letter, government documents, contracts, and even personal diaries are all pieces of history. I think you are putting too much emphasis on the idea someone must be trained. Of all the ancient histories that we have, I doubt that you can name ten "trained historians" from the first century. Luke and Acts are both accepted as accurate historical accounts by respected secular historians. Either you can accept that or not. But, it does not invalidate their historicity within the scope of academia.

  • @andreanittel2240
    @andreanittel2240 3 года назад +1

    I can't see that God would allow anything in the Bible to not be true............

    • @trafficjon400
      @trafficjon400 3 года назад

      Bible said God said all words are true in all chapters of inspired men who are sinner's as all man is sin.

  • @route2033
    @route2033 Год назад +1

    The church should never bend to unbiblical mandates that's sinful

  • @davidclark2592
    @davidclark2592 4 года назад +3

    I think the death and resurrection of Jesus is mythological. It points to a deeper truth. When the brow chakra awakens, there is a death of the self, and when the crown chakra awakens, there is a rebirth. Even the shamans of primitive cultures say they have gone through a death and resurrection, and in Zen Buddhism the death of the self is called "The great death."

    • @davspa6
      @davspa6 4 года назад +5

      David Clark Please look at the history of the early Christians, who were willing to be martyred for the cause of Christ. They truly believed he was risen. That is not a mental state, right? It is an objective issue.

    • @PaDutchRunner
      @PaDutchRunner 4 года назад +2

      The deeper truth is Jesus Himself. It’s not about us - it’s about Him, and everything we gain is derived from His righteousness.

    • @DavidVonR
      @DavidVonR 4 года назад +4

      @@triplejudy There's no historical doubt that Jesus lived and died by crucifixion.

    • @DavidVonR
      @DavidVonR 4 года назад +5

      @@triplejudy Much of what we know from ancient history appears centuries after the events the describe. Our earliest source for Alexander the Great appears 300 years after his death. But the gospels are too late because they were written a few decades after the death of Jesus?
      No evidence for Jesus outside the Bible? Even though multiple, independent, 1st-2nd century historians and writers all make reference to Jesus, including Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Polycarp, Papias, Josephus, Tacitus, etc?

    • @trafficjon400
      @trafficjon400 3 года назад

      @@PaDutchRunner most all don't believe what you said for work is easy than Faith.

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    @miguelchippsinteligente6072 4 года назад +1

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  • @beyondenigma-esotericsecre9175
    @beyondenigma-esotericsecre9175 4 года назад +4

    Christianity has *BIG influence from Greek Mythology* (Especially from the Dionysus Cult). A Greek GOD turne *water into wine + rode on a donkey 1,300 🐎 years before JEBUS did 👍👍!*

  • @colonalklink14
    @colonalklink14 3 года назад

    For anyone who is unsure about their salvation please check out Renee Roland on RUclips, it really is all about Jesus.
    Salvation is absolutely free.
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