Yeah. Drew tends to turn back to large generalized concepts, that are used to rally people behind (or historically written as it was the reason for people to rally behind at). What is the Portuguese empire? Well, it consists out of many private lands, sometimes handed out by the crown or even private companies that colonized stretches of land, that recognized and sought protection under the Portuguese crown. They formed their own localized government forms, that legally where bound to a larger entity. And that legal status could change after a war, but again defined under legally recognized treaties, that can go very nitty-gritty irrigard to taxation, protection, ownership etc, sometimes defined over multiple competing political entities. For fun, read up on the Duchy of Limburg and the Treaty of London (1866).
The idea of a 'nation' is SUPER old. In the Book of Acts from the Bible, Paul used his Roman citizenship that he had from birth to avoid being whipped/beaten by the Roman guards who captured him in Jerusalem after the Jewish leaders stirred up the people against Paul which caused a riot. Even further back in the Bible, the nation of Israel was split in two (Israel and Judah) during the reign of Solomon's son.
I think the best way to describe the idea of a nation is not new, but evolved. like Drew said, the idea of smth similar to a nation has existed for millennia. from Greek city-states to Rome to Napoleonic France, the idea of a nation has not always been the same, but it has in some form or another, (almost) always been here
The tribal argument is a really good one! People are social creatures and social groups need leadership to not fall into chaos. The difference was that in the past people identified more with their city/town/village/region than country and they were basically their own societies. The only thing that changed is the scale, from one place to a whole country.
I think this begs the question if in the future people are gonna identify by a continent level scale, and then even further in the future, gonna do it on a planetary scale
@@lawden210 If we become a spacefaring civilization that colonise new planets then yes, people are 100% gonna identify by their home planets in the future. But that's a pretty big if.
I’m 90% certain he has said unironically that he is dyslexic. It’s a common thing for him to sometimes just read some words and phrases as something seemingly unrelated but when you compare it, you can somewhat visualize how that could be jumbled to look kind of like the physical outline of both phrases.
The modern Westphalian nation state system is pretty new relatively, but the idea of organizing people based on something like family clans, for example, is something much older. But kingdoms and empires were did consist of multiple ethnic groups.
There are countless examples of national identity older than Napoleonic France. Czechia at that time, Bohemia, got its national identity during Hussite wars in the 15th century. Greeks united against Persians, as Drew said in the video. Etc. I don't know about Harris, some of his videos are decent, others are just pure trash.
It seems that he rushed this video and only looked at a few examples, he could have talked about other states with having problems being a nation like Belgium, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, even the UK by a long stretch if you want to take it this far.
Also I don’t think a lot of people realize what we call French, Italian, Filipino etc are just dialects that the government at the time choose to make the official national language. That instead of all these dialects being co-equal the government choose one to be raised raised above the others.
Also the old testament calls the Israelites "עם ישראל" which means the nation of Israel it also calls other group as the nation of ... and it is not the only religious that does that
33:45 That how many nationalities were created, a long time ago before Napoleonic France. How did Serbia, Czechia, Hungary, Bulgaria etc. survive without having countries for hundreds of years? How did their tradition and language survive? People bond together under opression to defend themselfs and their group.
And they wrote it down and persevered it, it's civilizations that lays the foundation of a language, writing and the community that surrounds it and influences others to do the same or change it a bit.
Let me clear something up. The French Revolution WAS the first nationalist movement. At least when we think of modern day nationalism. Look it up. And during the time of empire, when the flag of Spain or France was placed on foreign land, it wasn’t for the NATION it was for the CROWN
The "idea" of Norway isn't from 1814 lol, Norway became a country in 872. It just tried to get its independence from Denmark in 1814, then being invaded by Sweden, and finally getting its independence from *them* in 1905. So he isn't really using great examples, even with his cherrypicking
12:20 AkshuaAlLY 🤓 the Jacobins didn't just unalive the king 🤴💀 they unalived a bunch of poor peasant farmers 👨🏼🌾 in the countryside who supported the church ⛪ & the king ....which is usually ignored in the retelling of the French Revolution 🇫🇷
France is not the best example. I think that Czechia is a much better example, as a form of pride/patriotism/nationalism began during and after the Hussite wars.
Harris' video boils down to people use the word "Nation" in terms of international politics when they should use "State". It's the same as a linguist breaking down Alanis Morrisette's song "Ironic" and how nothing in the song is actually by definition ironic.
She went to the same high school as me. I heard from an older Canadian that people got annoyed at how many times they played her version of O, Canada, lol.
"Nations aren't real because some people in nations share stuff in common with neighboring nations. Nations were invented by France, ignore all other previous differences between people across the planet." --intellectual huffing his own farts
4:45 Ireland and Scotland be like: Also if countries don’t exist, then do homes exist?They are just a cluster of a family name which is unsubstantiated cos it’s a name? Edit: also can’t wait till we become an interstellar species and declare how “planets are a very recent phenomenon” in the year 3000 and how the idea of being a Martian or Earthling is a lie.
I hate the title of the video. Countries are artificial, but very much a legal defined and protected entity. Just like private ownership like a home is, and the freedoms, responsibilities and obligations that comes from owning private property within a country as defined by national law.
Not really, I'd say that the US is more of a nation than the Amer-Indian tribes when the Pilgrims came over. It is ridiculous to say that when you have 1776 to point to as the beginning of the US.
I'd say that the concept of what we think of as countries has evolved. But countries aren't really a formal concept, there are nations and states, some nations can also be states, thus nation-states.
The title should have been that modern western nationalism ‘is not real’ and that it has only been here 100-200 years. And even than its still a controversial take.
Drew, but the US... It wasn't "a nation" as we think of it, it was british who didn't want to be part of great britain. They still considered themselves part of the same people, just not subject to the crown, they were the same people, but in new lands, and out of the crown's control. When did this image change and the people started to think "No, I'm actually American" EDIT: P.S. it was before the second world war obivously, but how much before?
21:26 we were (and still are) easily defined though. It’s very meaningless. There is a constitution and a treaty separating us from the United Kingdom, and the expansion was derived from the same settlers. In fact you could argue that all the new world countries are the only ones which make logical sense as they have jus soli which is right of soil aka right of birth. Europe, Asia and Africa is unique in the sense that they refer to ancient history to build national figures; Boudicca would be a complete foreigner to Britain, but that doesn’t stop her from being seen as some kind of British icon. Harris is right in the claim that trains linked everyone together for the first time so closely, in that Britain even had to establish timezones to actually have the time make sense
I'm tunisian. Our sense of national identity didn't really exist until the late 1700s or early 1800s when we began to resist the Ottoman rule of the Eyalet-i Tunis, but even then, it was that we were still many berber and arab tribes uniting in our oposition to taxation, speaking about 4 or 5 dialects, with no homogenity. The closest thing to our current identity at the time was the identity of those in the city of Tunis itself. The true homogenising of tunisia happened as a result of french colonial rule, with the dialect spoken in the city of Tunis being pushed as the main arabic dialect alongside french, and this oppression by the french led to our tribes coming together, sharing our mutual struggle and working together, which paved the way for our design as our own nation.
Don't get why people obsessed with "nOt ReAl, because we made it up" arguments. We as human made up many abstract things, doesn't make them any less "Real"
Well, the conquistadors didn't need to be spaniards, they were just a bunch of men who were assigned by the spanish empire or emperor, such as colombus was genoese, ehinger was from ulm etc. and the pirates of the ottomans were generally from algiers, even some of them from sardinia, naples and even from the low countries. The emperors just paid some people for conquering or battling for you and they did.
5:20 no, those are different languages. He's speaking about how historically those were different languages that have been gradually erased by the French "empire" state.
It all depends on who you're "fighting" if its someone in your city you identify by your suburb, if its someone in your country you identify by region, so if its some in another country you identify by country. Even if they were an alien you would identify as being from Earth.
For the US, it seems to me that at the beginning there was no powerful American identity, people considered themselves first as English, Dutch or French settlers then as a resident of such collonie and finally as an inhabitant of the 13 collonies. Moreover, I want to prove the importance that the Americans always give to origins (even when they date from 2 century). And I think to be fair it is a little bit the same with all the countries that existed (I differentiate here "country" and "nation"). To take the example of France (it is the easiest for me since I am frannçais), people considered themselves first as part of such a village, then of such Baronniee and/ or Count and/ or Duchy and finally they considered themselves as French. What the revolution started is the beginning of feeling first French and then feeling Toulousain, Parisien, Montpelierain
I legitimately like drews commentary here it's like a conversation I would have with someone over the video and his questions and observations are well put.
Agree with most of your points, but you have a very America view. Like saying “nationalism doesn’t mean not liking minorities”. In America, your identity is based on the idea that your culture doesn’t really matter to the nation even if there’s a few cultures which are wealthier. In Europe minorities can be seen as non-conforming, even today we have what’s called a “cultural mosaic” in which migrants have their own small communities but they’re socially segregated whilst in the US the opposite happens (cultural mixing).
Not really. Even in the US, there are distinct communities of Latin people, Black people etc., so there's a quite a bit of segregation of minorities in the US too
@@AllKingsI mean just look at New York city with all its different communities of people like Italian, Irish, russian, Chinese and many other communities in different blocks or areas of the city.
I agree with some of what he's saying, but he's presenting it really badly and seems to confuse a lot of terms. he never really defines what he means by country and confuses ethnic people for having the same DNA which is not universally true of hardly any ethnic people. it's it's. there's something there but it's badly presented
this entire video when one soul mentions ROMA INVICTA! and also the point he states about China is simply incorrect. The Chinese people (at least eastern China) used to believe that all of Chinese land was meant to be ruled by one emperor, not be divided by different kings. China went through series of civil wars and separations, but they kingdoms thus formed never proclaimed independence, rather a promise to unify China under themselves. All periods of time where China was divided was seen by the common man as an era of instability and turmoil. The unity and the idea of an united China is the reason why- whenever China split, it was always at war during and after ww2, the chinese warlords saw that the nation could not be unified under them, and the japanese threat was great, hence the opt to unify with the ROC even today, contrary to what many americans believe, 'Taiwan' doesn't wish to be independent or be called 'taiwan' at all, taiwan is the name of the island. the country calls itself 'republic of China', it believes that the island belongs to China, but under the rule of the democratic government. hence, the one china policy. mostly nations today are different from what they used to be 200 years ago or more, and may not exist everywhere, but there certainly were nations
I think the guy that was talking to Johnny focused too much on the past like ok maybe countries weren't really "real" I the past but today they are very much. Ask any person living in America what nation do they belong to or something they're gonna say American. So maybe they weren't very real back then but as technology and communication is evolving theyre definitely very much real today
Basically I'm just saying that their claim is very misleading and countries ARE real so them saying that in their RUclips title or whatever that countries aren't real is very wrong.
The thing that bothers me to most watching this video is that it feels obvious (and most people realize) concepts like countries are made up by humans, but why would that make them fake? Of course the earth didn't write down "France" on a piece of land by itself. France exists because people believe in it, making it real. Edit: i watched the video and im happy the comments Drew showed at the end had the same issue with this video as i had.
Johnny Harris has a very professionally prepared videos with high production values and a way of conveing information in a very aurhotitative way. You just want to belive it. It must be true! And then he makes a video on a subject you actually know and you go WTF!? Is this some high school essay or something?! No, dude! Just..No!
To be fair americans when fighting for their independence, less than 40ish percent ever supported the revolution at any given time. There wasn't this shared identity i'd say till about the American civil war. People fought for their states.
I think a better way to put it for the Feudal nations is that the Crown of France, or the Crown of England was a concept tied to land, but they as nations didnt really rise until you saw figures like Bolivar and Napoleon, then you had the Nation of France and the Nation of Spain
Yeah, the antiquity disproves this video. The greeks united to fight against a foreign invader and all called themselfs greeks. Romans also had national identity, China as well, so did phoenicians, carthaginians etc.
Literally, just look throughout all of history and you'll see it. Majority of Scots join together to fight the English in the war for independence. Which couldn't be done if they didn't see eachother as Scots. And yeah there are those who go "against the nation" and defend the other side but that's usually down to personal fueds people couldn't get pass for few months
Yes but that was unification under a common threat rather than actual consistent rule, Ancient Greece is the best example I can think of regarding ethnocentrism being present since the dawn of civilization
@@XXXTENTAClON227well the Greek world was pretty divided between each other like Athens and Sparta working together against the Persian to just afterwards being the Peloponnese war.
16:25 actually that's exactly proves that he is right. The people who were rulled by those empires didn't care who was their ruler, and just kept their life the same.
I know Fredo Rockwell also made a video on "countries are fake," but his argument was more on the idea that "countries can be used as a useful fiction." He does have his bias (he believes that Somaliland is a country separate from Somalia, and he uses Somaliland as an example of a "useful" country), but he does bring up some good points worth thinking about.
I love how Jonny likes to say things like “_____ is actually just made up by people” as if 100% of society, culture, and human behavior is by definition completely made up by people. I feel like everyone had a kid like that in their high school class. But he’s a grown man making the video essays for millions of people.
I feel like the problem with this is they didn't start with separating the concepts of state/government, nation/people and landmass
Yeah. Drew tends to turn back to large generalized concepts, that are used to rally people behind (or historically written as it was the reason for people to rally behind at). What is the Portuguese empire? Well, it consists out of many private lands, sometimes handed out by the crown or even private companies that colonized stretches of land, that recognized and sought protection under the Portuguese crown. They formed their own localized government forms, that legally where bound to a larger entity. And that legal status could change after a war, but again defined under legally recognized treaties, that can go very nitty-gritty irrigard to taxation, protection, ownership etc, sometimes defined over multiple competing political entities. For fun, read up on the Duchy of Limburg and the Treaty of London (1866).
Does nation exist? Proceed to talk only about france
Yeah true
Nations are just bigger tribes that have combined together to form a larger tribe and then became more uniform.
The idea of a 'nation' is SUPER old. In the Book of Acts from the Bible, Paul used his Roman citizenship that he had from birth to avoid being whipped/beaten by the Roman guards who captured him in Jerusalem after the Jewish leaders stirred up the people against Paul which caused a riot. Even further back in the Bible, the nation of Israel was split in two (Israel and Judah) during the reign of Solomon's son.
Even before the flood there were nations.
Well the flood never happened
"The concept of countries is actually newer than you think." What does this guy consider old, only 3000+ years? 😂
Wow that’s old
No, 1800's
I think the best way to describe the idea of a nation is not new, but evolved. like Drew said, the idea of smth similar to a nation has existed for millennia. from Greek city-states to Rome to Napoleonic France, the idea of a nation has not always been the same, but it has in some form or another, (almost) always been here
The tribal argument is a really good one! People are social creatures and social groups need leadership to not fall into chaos. The difference was that in the past people identified more with their city/town/village/region than country and they were basically their own societies. The only thing that changed is the scale, from one place to a whole country.
I think this begs the question if in the future people are gonna identify by a continent level scale, and then even further in the future, gonna do it on a planetary scale
@@lawden210 If we become a spacefaring civilization that colonise new planets then yes, people are 100% gonna identify by their home planets in the future. But that's a pretty big if.
@@lawden210 I mean, some people already are identifying by a continent. For example Europe vrs the us. But it's mostly just for memes, I guess.
@@giantWariothen the Jonny of that time will be like “planetary identity’s are made up and fake. We must be kind to our fellow Xeno friends”
Which is the same thing as a nation state. You are the literally describing the same thing but it's slightly different ways.
Drew reading "We the People" and says "White people?"
You might actually be a bit dyslexic
Said said that he does have a bit of dyslexia and you can also see it in other videos of his, he sometimes has a brain fart so.😅
I’m 90% certain he has said unironically that he is dyslexic. It’s a common thing for him to sometimes just read some words and phrases as something seemingly unrelated but when you compare it, you can somewhat visualize how that could be jumbled to look kind of like the physical outline of both phrases.
The modern Westphalian nation state system is pretty new relatively, but the idea of organizing people based on something like family clans, for example, is something much older. But kingdoms and empires were did consist of multiple ethnic groups.
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There are countless examples of national identity older than Napoleonic France. Czechia at that time, Bohemia, got its national identity during Hussite wars in the 15th century. Greeks united against Persians, as Drew said in the video. Etc. I don't know about Harris, some of his videos are decent, others are just pure trash.
It seems that he rushed this video and only looked at a few examples, he could have talked about other states with having problems being a nation like Belgium, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, even the UK by a long stretch if you want to take it this far.
Also I don’t think a lot of people realize what we call French, Italian, Filipino etc are just dialects that the government at the time choose to make the official national language. That instead of all these dialects being co-equal the government choose one to be raised raised above the others.
Also the old testament calls the Israelites "עם ישראל" which means the nation of Israel it also calls other group as the nation of ... and it is not the only religious that does that
@ Yeah I’m pretty sure that -stan sufix on country names comes from Hindi and just means the country of.
33:45 That how many nationalities were created, a long time ago before Napoleonic France. How did Serbia, Czechia, Hungary, Bulgaria etc. survive without having countries for hundreds of years? How did their tradition and language survive? People bond together under opression to defend themselfs and their group.
And they wrote it down and persevered it, it's civilizations that lays the foundation of a language, writing and the community that surrounds it and influences others to do the same or change it a bit.
Those guys were talking crazy
Don't tell Johnny about England and Scotland
Yes stay quiet
Yeah I was just thinking about Scotland
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I thought Johnny Harris was like, an unironic self-identifying neoliberal
@@tylerphuoc2653 He *is* a liberal lol.
Congratulations to him. He found out that a human invention was in fact a human invention 😂
The CIA has been hiding it from us the whole time!
Let me clear something up. The French Revolution WAS the first nationalist movement. At least when we think of modern day nationalism. Look it up. And during the time of empire, when the flag of Spain or France was placed on foreign land, it wasn’t for the NATION it was for the CROWN
But didn't the Crown represent the nation?
@ no it represents the imperial family
@@saqualiousfinglenut5426 Doesn't the Imperial family represent the nation?
@ imperial families are crowned by the church, not the “nation” Do you seriously think the people crown the imperial family ?
@saqualiousfinglenut5426 Doesn't the church, supposedly, legitimate the Crown's rule over the people/land/nation/country/kingdom/empire?
".his personal biases seep in..occasionaly he's neutral"
Haha, yeah, that's a glowing endorsment! 😁
The "idea" of Norway isn't from 1814 lol, Norway became a country in 872. It just tried to get its independence from Denmark in 1814, then being invaded by Sweden, and finally getting its independence from *them* in 1905. So he isn't really using great examples, even with his cherrypicking
12:20 AkshuaAlLY 🤓 the Jacobins didn't just unalive the king 🤴💀 they unalived a bunch of poor peasant farmers 👨🏼🌾 in the countryside who supported the church ⛪ & the king ....which is usually ignored in the retelling of the French Revolution 🇫🇷
Any happening like that in a revolution should be a massive ink stain on their record, not sweeped under the rug. But it's currently the former
France is not the best example. I think that Czechia is a much better example, as a form of pride/patriotism/nationalism began during and after the Hussite wars.
To be fair everything is real because we believe in it and follow it. But it doesn't really matter
Harris' video boils down to people use the word "Nation" in terms of international politics when they should use "State".
It's the same as a linguist breaking down Alanis Morrisette's song "Ironic" and how nothing in the song is actually by definition ironic.
And, funnily enough, the fact that nothing is ironic in the lyrics of song called ironic makes the song itself ironic.
She went to the same high school as me. I heard from an older Canadian that people got annoyed at how many times they played her version of O, Canada, lol.
"Nations aren't real because some people in nations share stuff in common with neighboring nations. Nations were invented by France, ignore all other previous differences between people across the planet." --intellectual huffing his own farts
I call bull on the 1950 Italy thing
Kind off, a little bit exaggerated, but there are divisions to this day
4:45 Ireland and Scotland be like:
Also if countries don’t exist, then do homes exist?They are just a cluster of a family name which is unsubstantiated cos it’s a name?
Edit: also can’t wait till we become an interstellar species and declare how “planets are a very recent phenomenon” in the year 3000 and how the idea of being a Martian or Earthling is a lie.
I hate the title of the video. Countries are artificial, but very much a legal defined and protected entity. Just like private ownership like a home is, and the freedoms, responsibilities and obligations that comes from owning private property within a country as defined by national law.
@@Tuning3434privacy isn't even an explicitly mentioned constitutional right, but the vast majority of legal scholars know it to be so regardless
Napoleon was not the first
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12:40 USA wouldn't become a nation until end of civil war, and early US resembled more of royal France, bunch of communities somewhat tied together
Not really, I'd say that the US is more of a nation than the Amer-Indian tribes when the Pilgrims came over. It is ridiculous to say that when you have 1776 to point to as the beginning of the US.
I mean the Mandate of Heaven was an important concept in Chinese civilisation that the peasant folk were interested in
I'd say that the concept of what we think of as countries has evolved. But countries aren't really a formal concept, there are nations and states, some nations can also be states, thus nation-states.
The title should have been that modern western nationalism ‘is not real’ and that it has only been here 100-200 years. And even than its still a controversial take.
Drew, but the US... It wasn't "a nation" as we think of it, it was british who didn't want to be part of great britain. They still considered themselves part of the same people, just not subject to the crown, they were the same people, but in new lands, and out of the crown's control. When did this image change and the people started to think "No, I'm actually American"
EDIT: P.S. it was before the second world war obivously, but how much before?
In my opinion, it all simply and broadly comes down to ownership.
I think most social issues if you dive REALLY deep can just be summarised by greed or at least different aspects of it depending on the topic
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21:26 we were (and still are) easily defined though. It’s very meaningless. There is a constitution and a treaty separating us from the United Kingdom, and the expansion was derived from the same settlers.
In fact you could argue that all the new world countries are the only ones which make logical sense as they have jus soli which is right of soil aka right of birth.
Europe, Asia and Africa is unique in the sense that they refer to ancient history to build national figures; Boudicca would be a complete foreigner to Britain, but that doesn’t stop her from being seen as some kind of British icon. Harris is right in the claim that trains linked everyone together for the first time so closely, in that Britain even had to establish timezones to actually have the time make sense
I'm tunisian. Our sense of national identity didn't really exist until the late 1700s or early 1800s when we began to resist the Ottoman rule of the Eyalet-i Tunis, but even then, it was that we were still many berber and arab tribes uniting in our oposition to taxation, speaking about 4 or 5 dialects, with no homogenity. The closest thing to our current identity at the time was the identity of those in the city of Tunis itself. The true homogenising of tunisia happened as a result of french colonial rule, with the dialect spoken in the city of Tunis being pushed as the main arabic dialect alongside french, and this oppression by the french led to our tribes coming together, sharing our mutual struggle and working together, which paved the way for our design as our own nation.
It wasn't about nation it was about protection in exchange for levies and taxes, basically feudalism.
the red hair map literally matched the borders of scotland, wales, cornwall, ireland and britanny (and the basque country and catalonia) 💀💀💀
Don't get why people obsessed with "nOt ReAl, because we made it up" arguments. We as human made up many abstract things, doesn't make them any less "Real"
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Well, the conquistadors didn't need to be spaniards, they were just a bunch of men who were assigned by the spanish empire or emperor, such as colombus was genoese, ehinger was from ulm etc. and the pirates of the ottomans were generally from algiers, even some of them from sardinia, naples and even from the low countries. The emperors just paid some people for conquering or battling for you and they did.
We got drew durnil reacting to Johnny Harris reacting to countries are not real before gta 6
ok so, countries don't exist becouse people in france didn't speak the same dialect of french until over 200 years ago and i don't like change
5:20 no, those are different languages. He's speaking about how historically those were different languages that have been gradually erased by the French "empire" state.
It all depends on who you're "fighting" if its someone in your city you identify by your suburb, if its someone in your country you identify by region, so if its some in another country you identify by country. Even if they were an alien you would identify as being from Earth.
He idea that the concep of nations is a dividing factor is disproven by he when he mentions Italy and Germany
For the US, it seems to me that at the beginning there was no powerful American identity, people considered themselves first as English, Dutch or French settlers then as a resident of such collonie and finally as an inhabitant of the 13 collonies. Moreover, I want to prove the importance that the Americans always give to origins (even when they date from 2 century). And I think to be fair it is a little bit the same with all the countries that existed (I differentiate here "country" and "nation"). To take the example of France (it is the easiest for me since I am frannçais), people considered themselves first as part of such a village, then of such Baronniee and/ or Count and/ or Duchy and finally they considered themselves as French. What the revolution started is the beginning of feeling first French and then feeling Toulousain, Parisien, Montpelierain
I legitimately like drews commentary here it's like a conversation I would have with someone over the video and his questions and observations are well put.
This is mixing nations and nation States. They're not the same.
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Agree with most of your points, but you have a very America view. Like saying “nationalism doesn’t mean not liking minorities”. In America, your identity is based on the idea that your culture doesn’t really matter to the nation even if there’s a few cultures which are wealthier. In Europe minorities can be seen as non-conforming, even today we have what’s called a “cultural mosaic” in which migrants have their own small communities but they’re socially segregated whilst in the US the opposite happens (cultural mixing).
Yeah I’m curious if there will be any internal conflict to try and deconstruct each countries culture cos they are ‘discriminatory’
Not really. Even in the US, there are distinct communities of Latin people, Black people etc., so there's a quite a bit of segregation of minorities in the US too
@@AllKingsI mean just look at New York city with all its different communities of people like Italian, Irish, russian, Chinese and many other communities in different blocks or areas of the city.
Introduces Napoleon using La Marseillaise when it was really Le chant du départ that was historically correct.
I agree with some of what he's saying, but he's presenting it really badly and seems to confuse a lot of terms. he never really defines what he means by country and confuses ethnic people for having the same DNA which is not universally true of hardly any ethnic people. it's it's. there's something there but it's badly presented
this entire video when one soul mentions ROMA INVICTA!
and also the point he states about China is simply incorrect. The Chinese people (at least eastern China) used to believe that all of Chinese land was meant to be ruled by one emperor, not be divided by different kings. China went through series of civil wars and separations, but they kingdoms thus formed never proclaimed independence, rather a promise to unify China under themselves. All periods of time where China was divided was seen by the common man as an era of instability and turmoil.
The unity and the idea of an united China is the reason why-
whenever China split, it was always at war
during and after ww2, the chinese warlords saw that the nation could not be unified under them, and the japanese threat was great, hence the opt to unify with the ROC
even today, contrary to what many americans believe, 'Taiwan' doesn't wish to be independent or be called 'taiwan' at all, taiwan is the name of the island. the country calls itself 'republic of China', it believes that the island belongs to China, but under the rule of the democratic government. hence, the one china policy.
mostly nations today are different from what they used to be 200 years ago or more, and may not exist everywhere, but there certainly were nations
Oooh I was waiting for this!
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I think the guy that was talking to Johnny focused too much on the past like ok maybe countries weren't really "real" I the past but today they are very much. Ask any person living in America what nation do they belong to or something they're gonna say American. So maybe they weren't very real back then but as technology and communication is evolving theyre definitely very much real today
Basically I'm just saying that their claim is very misleading and countries ARE real so them saying that in their RUclips title or whatever that countries aren't real is very wrong.
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Is that Venice’s flag in the background?
It's almost like wars of conquest were a thing...
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The thing that bothers me to most watching this video is that it feels obvious (and most people realize) concepts like countries are made up by humans, but why would that make them fake? Of course the earth didn't write down "France" on a piece of land by itself. France exists because people believe in it, making it real.
Edit: i watched the video and im happy the comments Drew showed at the end had the same issue with this video as i had.
26:12 without context this sounds crazy 💀
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Johnny Harris has a very professionally prepared videos with high production values and a way of conveing information in a very aurhotitative way. You just want to belive it. It must be true!
And then he makes a video on a subject you actually know and you go WTF!? Is this some high school essay or something?! No, dude! Just..No!
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16:35 this is called ethnocentrism
To be fair americans when fighting for their independence, less than 40ish percent ever supported the revolution at any given time. There wasn't this shared identity i'd say till about the American civil war. People fought for their states.
I think a better way to put it for the Feudal nations is that the Crown of France, or the Crown of England was a concept tied to land, but they as nations didnt really rise until you saw figures like Bolivar and Napoleon, then you had the Nation of France and the Nation of Spain
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Uhhh! Jonny Harris, enough said. Did longest fence in the world vid, a 4ft high wire, and said it effects the weather/climate. Total goose
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No it's as Sung Jin Ah said, "The world is just one big [dysfunctional] family."
The Philippine flag is reversed, if hanged vertically the blue field should be on the left side.
Drew is at war clearly.
Yeah, the antiquity disproves this video. The greeks united to fight against a foreign invader and all called themselfs greeks.
Romans also had national identity, China as well, so did phoenicians, carthaginians etc.
Literally, just look throughout all of history and you'll see it. Majority of Scots join together to fight the English in the war for independence. Which couldn't be done if they didn't see eachother as Scots.
And yeah there are those who go "against the nation" and defend the other side but that's usually down to personal fueds people couldn't get pass for few months
Yes but that was unification under a common threat rather than actual consistent rule, Ancient Greece is the best example I can think of regarding ethnocentrism being present since the dawn of civilization
@@XXXTENTAClON227well the Greek world was pretty divided between each other like Athens and Sparta working together against the Persian to just afterwards being the Peloponnese war.
I don't know if anybody has said it yet, but Rome and Carthage. "I swear to never be a friend of Rome"
16:25 actually that's exactly proves that he is right. The people who were rulled by those empires didn't care who was their ruler, and just kept their life the same.
I know Fredo Rockwell also made a video on "countries are fake," but his argument was more on the idea that "countries can be used as a useful fiction." He does have his bias (he believes that Somaliland is a country separate from Somalia, and he uses Somaliland as an example of a "useful" country), but he does bring up some good points worth thinking about.
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I love how Jonny likes to say things like “_____ is actually just made up by people” as if 100% of society, culture, and human behavior is by definition completely made up by people.
I feel like everyone had a kid like that in their high school class. But he’s a grown man making the video essays for millions of people.
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There was only two ways 29:01 make everybody into a one country or give every time of people their own country
Never lines up with natinal boards Oh look I can see England Scotland Wales Ireland and Cornwall (We all know there diffrent)
My guy is displaying his knowledge in this video ngl