Nah. The rebel alliance would absolutely load their marines onto the ship being tractored into the hanger bay and engage in a running gunfight through half the vessel.
The point of capturing and ISD would not be to have the ship specifically, but the material wealth within. ISDs are usually fully stocked to do almost everything, you would have food, medicines, weapons, armor, parts, fuel and so on. Once the Empire catches up to their lost ISD the only thing left would be a bare keel. This is ideally.
Or pull a Kahm Rota and train a militia in the use of the ship and pack it full of your own forces. Aliens, escaped slaves, patriots, droids. Use B-2 and B-1 droids as security and turn the ship into a mobile factory for your fighters and droids
@@Darqshadow The rebel alliance generally lacks the manpower to pull that off in any actually useful capacity. They're better off putting that huge crew on a much larger number of smaller ships.
How To Steal An Imperial-class Star Destroyer: Step 1 - Don't. Step 2 - Steal deactivated/mothballed Venator's instead -- With space for nearly 200 starfighters and a balance weapons loadout, they are a much better choice, with lower crew requirements. Step 3 - Really, steal anything but an ISD. Step 4 - In the event that the preceding was unclear, reread Step 3, until it sinks in.
The venator is far to underpowered for its size and crew requirement. Also the Alliance kind of does not need that many carriers, most of ther star fighters have hyperdrives
@@motivationlessaxolotl8266 plus if you loses the carrier and need to bug out you have lost all the fighters as well and as a hit and run gorilla rebel group you need ever ship and fighter you can get.
At least there, it's the fledgling Galactic Republic - the Imperial Navy is still there and still powerful, but they are no longer in a position of dominance, and the -rebels- Republic can more reliably recruit and field large numbers than they previously could.
This plan have one major flaw. Why would ISD pull a heavy damage Gozanti in to own hangar space? It is unstable wreck that can have core breach, no need to endanger the ISD with such action. Check for the life signs, send boarding craft. If everybody is dead, inform the sector command to send recovery squad and tugs. Maybe leave a light cruiser to guard it, then get back to the patrol route.
Galvars I feel that is probably the weakest part of the plan, if I was in a SD Captain I would be very suspicious of bringing a ship that is in an unknown condition within my own, but then again Imperials have made some questionable decisions before.
I thought about this too. The Rebels would have to fake the life signatures somehow. Also it might be good if they got a Confederacy commando droid on that ship or some other droid modle that can mimic voices. That way the captain has someone to talk to.
My thought exactly, this plan needs to succeed before it even begins. Another problem is how do i make shure iam behind the ISD and have it in my front arc. Also what stop the ISD from flipping up side down so it shoots the Nebulons.
I love how you preface the whole thing with "This is a terrible idea" :D Definitely not a great move for the Rebellion, but still awesome to see the tactics they could use :) Great video as per usual!
Here's how I think you can capture a Star Destroyer or even two Star Destroyer's! All you need is a fleet of 16 heavily armed Klingon Negh'Var class Battleships and 200 Klingon Vor'Cha class Attack Cruisers, and 150 K'Tinga class battle cruisers, and 1,000 Klingon Bird's of Prey, that will decloak; surround, and take out the Star Destroyer's shields, weapons power grid, jam communications, destroy the fighter bay; so they can't launch fighters or shuttles, and hyperdrive just in case if they try to escape or try sending a distress call. Then beam over Klingon boarding parties onto the main bridge! Klingon warriors are much better trained fighters than those lousy Stormtroopers who have the worst aim ever! Total Klingon victory assured because Klingons do not surrender to the likes of those Galactic Empire Swine!!!
Me: "Hey Alexa, How many stormtroopers are stationed on an ISD?" Alexa: "There are 9700 Stormtroopers onboard and Imperial Star Destroyer with an additional 37,000 Crew members." Me: "So much for that plan..."
Only so many troops can fit in one hallway or room. That's why they're only capturing three mission critical rooms, and then spacing the rest of the ship.
Capturing an ISD in and of itself wouldn't serve a significant military purpose, but it would have immense political propaganda value. It would first off be a powerful signal of the strength and capability of the Alliance that could help sway some fence sitting systems and organizations, who had doubts over the rebels capabilities and competence. Secondly it would be a statement of resolve for the Alliance to say that they are able and willing to hit hard targets. It could also serve a military purpose of forcing the Imperial Navy to expend far more resources to prevent something like this from happening again, and to repair its loss of prestige from the incident. Lastly you could take advantage of the fact that the Imperial Navy would not allow a ship like this to remain in rebel hand, quickly strip it of all useful supplies and munitions, and then leave it out in space for the Navy to try and seize back, run by a skeleton crew and droids, laden with a ton of booby traps, essentially a floating Fallujah. Make it so that Navy either has to suffer enormous causalities seizing the ship, or is force to just blow the damn thing up. If the Skeleton crew had a hyper-drive equipped shuttle, they could also escape at some point, so as to not make this a guaranteed suicide mission.
Just drag it with tugs outside of charted territory and cole proticole its location and use it as rebel highcom. Tye dismantle for what shipyard are avaliable
Strip the sucker of guns, armour, shield generators, communications equipment, sensors, electronic parts, everything useful. Then tug the useless husk to the orbit of some loyal imperial planet and leave it there broadcasting the Declaration of the Alliance to Restore the Republic for all to hear and see it.
Finally someone that can think in three dimensions. Though you missed a single point. If it is used as support for fighters when assaulting larger targets it can be used as a mobile command center and space born artillery support. There is actually a lot you can due with a battleship.
After consideration, I realize I should probably have swapped those two CR90s out for Dornean Gunships or Hammerhead Corvettes. The CR90 is far from ideal when the enemy has already lost their fighters. EDIT: Just like to clarify that I did consider Ion weapons and looked into specifics of how long they would disable the ship, but after I found a comic suggesting the Tyrant was disabled for quite some time after being hit by the Ion Cannon in Empire Strikes Back, I thought it best to just not use Ion weapons at all. (Though admittedly I can't speak to the specifics of lower yield ion detonations)
Not related to this video but to the only boarding action we see in Star Wars. In Episode III, Kenobi and Anakin are fleeing with the "Emperor" when the ships engines take a hit. The whole thing pivots towards the planet, but is still far outside a gravity field that a human would notice. However everything thing no the ship begins to fall towards the planet. This makes no sense for both real physic and fictional physics reasons. Real; the ship is falling and accelerating, so it's contents would be in free fall a plane doing a dive. Fictional; the ship has artificial gravity towards the floor of the decking, surely that pulls to the floor at all times regardless of ship facing relative to a planet. Is there a lore reason for this? Was it ever explained? Or was it just lazy scripting. I've been bugged by this question since Episode III was released... I still find it amusing.
Spacedock what about "fleet in being" concept? Bismark and Tirpitz couldn't stand to british navy, but having them in certain area would require british to relocate several more battleships for the small chance they *_may_*_ be used_ thus removing them from another theatres of war. Same goes for Yamato and Musashi. Rebellion having ISD somewhere would force Empire to being able to field less of them against normal rebel forces because they would be busy countering single ship! Freeing space for your destroyers and submarines to raid much more freely. P.S.: wouldn't approaching from engines melt their ships?
A torpedo run on the main bridge by Y-wings would help with no fighters to contend with a well trained and rehearsed squadron attack should be able to take it out. If the bridge is destroyed it would mean the strike team would only need to take two areas instead of three. (strengthening the infiltrating forces and making capture and holding the two remaining objectives easier and more likely). And as the auxiliary bridge function is that of the main bridge the Rebels could control the star destroyer easily until repairs could me made. Also switch out explosives with the stun bombs used by phoenix squad on the assault on grand moth Tarkins star destroyer and you got a completely disabled crew, weapon systems, fighters and communications for the assault. leaving just the escort to take out with ease
A 'heist' style operation would probably work better, as an ISD would be easier to secure immediately after its construction or on its test flights. Such an operation would require Rebels to infiltrate Kuat Drive Yards (or a smaller shipyard) as imperial engineers or test crew. With the objective of stealing the ship whilst it has the minimum of crew (or no crew at all) or ensuring it does not return from a proving flight. It might even be better to steal an incomplete ISD and carry out further theft to finish the ship. Several options for stealing it from dry-dock are possible, with the best being a fake reactor meltdown. Where the ship has to be towed (or under its own power) leave the yard with very little or no crew on-board at all. As ships can't be tracked whilst travelling in hyperspace stealing such from a high profile well defended location deep in imperial territory, is in theory totally achievable. As once the ship is in hyperspace, its gone. (tracking devices not withstanding)
in this time in the rebellion it is litterally easier to take a star destroyer with darth vader on board than to infiltrate kuat drive yards and nab one.
I see that working. Half of Star Wars (Canon) is infiltrating an enemy base to fuck with it. An improvement would be to add a distraction in a nearby system to draw off any imperial forces that would investigate this sudden disappearance. What would work with less important military equipment is pinning the heist on a organized crime syndicate. But I cant imagine what the Hut cartel would want with an I.S.D...
It doesn't have to be Kuat. Just find a Star Destroyer at a small, out of the way facility being refitted or finishing construction. Either way, it's a whole lot easier than capturing a fully manned ship in a combat situation.
That's all of Star Wars canon basically, a series of Mary Sues who luck their way to victory... Edit: Rogue One being the exception, they come up with a similarly desperate plan as other star wars episodes, then get wrecked when it falls to shit.
Star Wars is centered on the Skywalker family drama, in all its iterations either tangentially or directly. (All the films/cartoons have either anakin/Darth Vader or Luke or Leia). They're the only ones with plot armor unless its a redemption storyline, then one of them will die. As for the Ghost crew and Ezra, my money is still 50/50 on whether Ezra becomes a sith apprentice or even better, he somehow becomes snook :o
i wish CIS hold outs did more cool stuff, also in cnnon lots of CIS army and navy gies joined the rebels i wich they used more of their ships and droids
The Venator represents the old Republic, Palpatine wanted that dead. Of course he would get rid of every reminder of the Republic including it's ships as fast as possible
Boo Bah I’m sure a lot of Venators were still being used, I don’t think all of them were scrapped instantly, they were slowly replaced as the new ones were being built. And the imperial destroyers fit the empire’s doctrine better, overwhelming firepower, lots of space for power projection/crisis response.
The GR-75s could have stayed magnetically clamped to the back of the ISD. With thr support ships down, the Imperials would habe had no way to destory them.
The crew may as well join the boarding party too. Their odds of surviving are terrible, but better than if they try to escape in the ships and they're likely more qualified than the boarders to actually fly the damn thing if they do succeed.
@@mitwhitgaming7722 lol replayed the mission a few days ago and was reminded of this video and i thought well they took spacedocks idea and made it work
The GR-75s should have planned to jump to hyperspace as soon as they deployed the boarding parties. Because either the boarding parties succeed and don't need them or they fail and everyone is either dead or captured. Either way, the ships were no longer needed.
great video, very interesting. its important to note, however, that only the outer compartments of the isd would be able to be vented. the ship is so large that modt compartments near the center of the ship would not be able to be vented at all
I have Always wondered what degree of control one could have over such a ships life support, perhaps one could alter the system to not recycle oxygen, eventually replacing all the oxygen with another gas, Like carbon dioxide or nitrogen but idk
Walker Gargagliano yes but he did also say that the rebels would disable life support on all the ship which would take longer but would still end up killing the imperials
A captured/abandoned Venator would be an almost perfect Rebel flagship. A large carrier that can hold its own against anything less than an ISD. With a good fighter wing, it could probably compete with several ISDs.
ship to ship wise it's 8 Venators per ISD. But if the Venators have a full Compliment of Fighters it should be about equal to an ISD if we take the Fighters into account.
if they could stay out of range of the guns from the ISD then they could bring 400 fighters to the fight :) but in the legends did the rebels not capture a few venators ?
If the Rebel Alliance was able to capture an ISD like this, they could use hidden separatist holdouts they would've discovered to create droids to supplement the organic crew and then use it as a defensive ship with Home 1 at Yavin. This would also give the rebels another, larger ship to escape the planet on when the Death Star's escort fleet came in with a retaliatory strike on the rebel base. Not to mention one with enough firepower to go toe to toe with other ISDs.
Crew the gr-75s with droids, so they don't cause a loss in personnel, and and mix a few astromechs into the commando teams for support Purposes, and Idk about the exploding galante, I'd fill it with commando droids from the clone wars as I know there are plenty of them lying around, and have them cause as much havoc as possible without to much damage to the ship, a good blaster fight going on in the hanger would tie up strike craft capabilities just as well as blowing up the hangers, and any spare vulture droids or reactivated clone wars stuff would be great here for this and dont tell me the rebels don't have any left over stuff.
A lot of older Separatist hardware did get found and repurposed by the Rebellion such as warships, so it's not illogical to think some Battle Droids may have been used as well.
XironbeastX I honestly am still holding out hope to see something like this in Star Wars Rebels. I bet Kalani knew all sorts of secret separatist installations that could have what he needs, from infantry to star fighters to ships.
in legends the rebels had large numbers of separatist droids at their disposal but didn't use them openly (i beleive they were used separate from rebel fleets so as to be blamed as separatist hold outs or pirates) because 20 or so years of imperial propaganda made any open use of battle droids and such the equivalent to waving Nazi emblems in our world. in the new cannon we have 2 major post endor factions that are basically CIS factions, intill we get more info on them i will head cannon them as separatist turned rebels turned back into seps after the war. i also head cannon them useing B1 and B2, etc, droids in their armies but like modernized (like new CUP and programing and simplifed production, FYI B1s are already very good the only real problem was that their proceesing units were too cheap slightly better CUPs which are now cheaper 30+ years later and we have smart B1s with maybe slightly better eyes and new formula for armour, the B1 was often showed in cannon and legends as being stronger than clones [eg one battle droid easily lifting a shell then latter 2 clones struggling to lift the same shell, or that jedi game back in the early 2000s were B1s could 1 punch you]) infact th rebels could use their resauces and simply install program updates in regular B1s and have better troops then their standard men, i mean in the movies B1s are actually quite accurate and take cover so are already not that bad soldiers with improved 'brains' they would be exelent grunts. upgraded clone wars vet droids would also be very useful (remeber star wars droids learn and stuff from experiances so droids surviveing battle could be very effective latter. a cool star wars rebel scene cud have a vet B1 exclaiming how 'he' fought clones and even saw a jedi, these storm troopers are nothing
Why doesn't the Rebel Alliance capture some old Venators? I think Venators could be an alternative because (a) the clone wars era arms would make them a more economical alternative to the Quasar class carriers since they have modest enough anti-ship arms to defend themselves or even perform strikes and (b) they seem relatively fast enough for the Alliance's hit-and-run naval doctrine since the ships are relatively fast for their size and attack craft capacity.
In the Star Wars FFG game my friend is running for us, our home base for a lot of our operations at the start of our campaign was an old Venator captained by a defector from right at the end of the Clone Wars.
Or just do what Rogue Squadron did in the Bacta War, find a ISD captain who's on the fence about staying Imperial and bribe him into defecting, or the Booster Terrik method of catching one in a gravity well generator light it up with 300 missile and torpedo targeting sensors and trick the captain into surrendering. Or pound an SSD with several hundred missiles and torpedos and a junior officer shoots the captain and surrenders rather than let the captain crash the ship into Thyferra.
Or hire flim and secretly execute the captain and replace him. There are 1001 ways to capture an imperial star destroyer, or any ship for that matter. Mara jade, use override codes. use a jedi with a lightsaber, practically any jedi. Thrawn, from a guerilla campaign from exile on a feral world. Starkiller, by threatening to smash it into a planet, kyp duron, equally. The list is so huge.
I'm guessing that the Rebel Alliance got a few ISD ships after the battle of Endor. With the Emperor, Vader and a bunch of other important Imperial leaders gone there would have been plenty of defectors. And that really is the best way to get the ship, with most of the old crew willing to work for the rebels.
it depends on who those captains are, war crimes or just loyalty to a cause superases loyalty to an individual. if star wars was realistic the endor fleet would have just punded the rebels to death after they lost the 2nd death star then burned the moon with orbital fire. no more rebels (also gravity well generators to stop the rebels from escaping). the leader of the fleet would then probably become the next emperor as he had the prestige of ending the rebles although other imperial war lords would challenge him and imperial civil war starts.
Matthew Burger most of the imperial fleet was over the death star before it exploded, realistically most of their fleet would be destroyed and the remaining would either stay and fight a losing battle or retreat
Badger from what I could see most of the fleet was spread out from the death star to the flanks of the rebel fleet making at least half but due to the physics of how space and explosions work most likely 4 out of 5 (or more) of the fleet survived and since it took the entire rebel fleet to bring down The executor ssd the rest of the imperial fleet probably already damaged the rebels shields so after the explosion they would have easily moped up the rebel fleet
How to fight Rebel style with an ISD: 1.Get a ISD 2. Station your units out of sight, with CR-90s and X-wing and Y-wings watching the ISD. (Make sure ISD is alone and in plain sight) 3. Pretend to be Imperials and say you're under attack. 4. They send a ISD, 2 Aqrquitens class cruisers, and TIEs. 5. Get your Starfighters and CR-90s to attack. You've got 3 more Reflagged units.
Or just dismantle it somewhere out of sight and leave Empire guessing where it'll strike thus increasing protection of most valuable targets and stretching thin or outright removing forces from less valuable ones. Or use it akin to HMS Campbeltown.
TheArklyte So you suggesting something akin to loading the ship with all the explosive the Rebels could muster, and then ram it into whatever is causing the Rebels trouble? That seems like a good way to punch a huge hole into a Death Star.
Yep: sad to say that is in the legends storyline: unless it got rebooted into canon at some point. Would have liked to see it used more often, but running those SSD's is a logistical nightmare.
became legend, but at least, New Republic succeeded-or tried- hijacking Empire's ships, like as Battle of Jakku, or Battle of Coruscant(not Old Republic vs CIS, should be necessary after battle of endor), or somewhere.
Two, actually. The second was named the Guardian, also used during the Yuuzhan Vong war. The New Republic also had the Viscount-class Star Defender, which was a comparable ship of Mon Cal design.
@@thepbg8453 epic load of parts though. If you look even half of itd weapons and turned them into ground to space gear that portion of the planet would fuck imperial fleets for days.
Have the GR75'd jump away once the troops are deployed, at least. It's not as if they'd have any practical purpose once they deliver the strike teams in this battle.
A second option is having the troops eject from the freighters in spacesuits with thruster packs on them just as the rebel combat group jumps in. The GR75's could be installed with a remote control system and be used as guided missiles against the raiser and light cruiser to disable/destroy them without risking the Nebulon-7's or CR90's. The rebels could then quickly deploy their fighters to disable the ISD and the troops could manually fly into the ship as described in the video after the fighters bomb it.
Have the crews of the GR75s jump with the commandos to serve as crew on the ISD. Pilot the vessels away remotely and then use them as ram vessels if necessary against the Imperial cruiser.
I'm wondering if turning around is the best action for the ISD. Since space is a 3D environment would it be better to flip it over instead of turning around so if faces the rebels upside down relative to the other ships?
Shame really, they could pull off come interesting manoeuvres like flipping one ISD and positioning another over it's underside so, provided you don't want to launch anything, you've got a whole lot of guns top and bottom. Plus no need to shield that section of the ships until the plucky rebel bomber makes a run between the two scratching the paint as they go.
Loquacious Lobster Lapidary I think that has to do with the artificial gravity they make being centred around the same point so if the ship rolls gravity doesn’t roll with it
@@thehunter4873 I imagine they could at least flip the gravitational flow, maybe arrange it so that it follows the ship's crew perspectives as it flips over? If they don't have this technology, couldn't they create it?
I would just use my oxygen sucker troops and stick them in the room with the medbay and make the intruders go there so they are regenerating, fighting and making the others die from lack of oxygen
tu vv my space marines would not board with the intention to capture more just destroy as much as possible on board people and systems alike before they recall teleport back to the cruiser they just lunched from or if it’s a squad of Terminators they would just deep strike teleport straight into the heart of the ship and blow it up with a bomb if they were to capture they would just kill all the Crew by hand venting atmosphere would not work because all there armour is air sealed and has its own oxygen generation on board plus magnet boots to stop them from being vented into space
@Spacedock - What about just blowing the mane bridge? It makes the ISD think that the Rebels are trying to destroy the ISD for a longer time. The attacks on the rear could be missed on the engines. You could also take out several of the engine exhaust-port cones. The ship needs a Hyperdrive, not full sub-light for this to work. Now, we have an ISD with no main bridge and several damaged engine exhaust-ports. (Jamming started imitatively at the start of the battle. The distress signal might not have gotten through, and the ships cannot talk to each other.) There is no ship captain - even if they are still alive, it will take time to get the the aux-bridge... The make to the aux-bridge and engine room. Then use the ISD's guns on the other Imperial ships. I also think that Ion Cannons would work well. Yes, they bill blow fuses and trip breakers. ISDs should be designed to fix these issues quickly. A 'mission kill' ship does not mean a destroyed ship... Just because an Ion Cannon knocks out does no mean that the ship needs drydock to be fixed. We see this over Hoth. At least one of the SDs is hit with an Ion Cannon, yet within a half-hour they all jump out...
Why reprogram them? The only remaining droid commander is no enemy of the Alliance, all they'd need to do was ask for some help and make it worth the droids' while.
+ThePCguy17 You mean Kalani? I don't think he had any Droidekas left, just B1s that espcaped with him in the shuttle. So they only other options are to buy them on the black market or find some on an old battlefield.
Luca9108 Kalani could build more (If course he wouldn't be able to mass produce more Battle Droids or Droideka Units) But he could make a miniature Droid Factory using resources from a random asteroid field. All he would need at that point is time and a good hiding place from the Empire.
I call my version Confederacy II: Electric Bugaloo. First: Ships, I'm not sure when they acquired it, but if it's available I'd replace the flagship with the Lucrehulk Battleship the rebels used in the failed attack on the Death Star. Either way, I'd add a Munificent frigate, and 2 more GR 75s. The frigate is there to help take down the escorts more quickly, and to help spread the Star Destroyer's fire. If available I'd also bring one of the frigates that were predecessors to the Imobilizer. 2nd: Prep work. I'd arrange for agents to infect off duty crew/stormtroopers with that debilitating intestinal bug that they used in one of the X-wing books. Also, if I could find a gadget to jam the local holonet, I'd be sure to bring it along to delay the distress call. I'd also arrange several small hit-and-run raids for just before the attack, so any response fleet would be as distant and spread out as possible. Honestly, if at all possible I would hit the SD while it was in a Deepdock, and try for a two-fer. 3rd: Troops. As many of my troops as possible would be equipped with vacuum rated armor. Also, the 2 extra GR 75s would be filled with clone wars era battle droids, as expendables to shield and assist my strike team. Also, the team would be liberally supplied with Astromechs. 4th: Combat. If I'm unable to acquire an interdiction vessel, then my capitol ship would be ordered to "flee" into a gravity well, so that the pursuing Star Destroyer couldn't escape. As soon as they've dropped their troops, the GR 75s would be ordered to micro jump to a location on the other side of my flagship.
One thing I would change with the plan , with the cruiser trap at the start , instead of it just being a huge bomb I think it should be used to sneak a group of rebel commandos onto the ISD disguised as stormtroopers , engineers , ect , and have them place smaller explosives around the ISD , then meet up and try to take the ship's self destruct , the rest of the plan is more or less the same , but now the main boarding party is split into three groups instead of four , and being boarded and potentially dealing with a lot of damage across the ship the ISD could be more distracted and take longer to join the fight completely giving the rebels some valuable time to het out of range
Instead of immediatly detonating giving enough time for the rebel imp defectos to get to medical or something before sealing that up and depriving anysirviving forces a strategic fallback.
In Star Wars a life scanning device does exist, but it's not a mind reading one. As long as all the saboteurs speak basic, this should be possible. Just remember that if you go this route, you aren't going to be able to vent the ship unless it's a suicide mission.
I one comic, they did it by bringing reactor in that destroyer at the brink of meltdown with torpedo hit, which caused imperials to evacuate, and then boarded the star destroyer,throwing the reactor out leaving it to explode because they couldn´t fix it. They ended up with very, VERY damaged ship with hyperdrive not working, and the rest of that story was covered in thick plot armor
These kinds of videos are amazing! Please do more battle plans like this, maybe how you'd tackle certain battles in cannon or any fan fiction battles you've devised?
It wasn't exactly a single proton warhead that went off in the rebel episode warhead. It would have been all the warheads in all the droids. We're looking at ten to twenty ish.
i feel like a modestly smart imperial captain would be somewhat able to use the legion of stormtroopers onboard the ship to just somewhat safeguard the 3 key positions against such an attack
A typical Roman legion was 5,000 men which consisted of 10 cohorts. The typical ISD would hold something like 10,000 stormtroopers. So that would be 2 legions of those bastards. No way 180 commandos are fighting through that split into 3 groups of 60.
problem with Not Splitting is... Self Destruction as a Thing on an ISD like Spacedock said.... an Imperial Captain was not allowed to let his ship fall into Rebel Hands and he was instructed to use the Self Destruction if there is no other way... so.... if they manage too capture the first Key Location the Captain would just vent this Section of the Ship and ore trap them in till Troopers Arives, if they Manage to caputre two Locations he would do the same ore even consider Self Destruc at that point. and of the Rebels managed to Secure two points and are going for the bridge.... at this point the Captain would Certainly either already gave an Distress Call so that Imperial Ships are only a few Moments away(it woudl take at least like 2 Hours(probably more) to caputre the Aux bridge and Engine room) ore did have a big ammount of Troops near it, ore would give the Command to Self Destruct. they need to Capture all 3 Location preferably at the almost exact same Moment. if you controll the Main and Aux Bridge you can Vent the Ship, but without controll over the Engine room they would self Destruct the Ship before they would die. maybe DESTROYING the Main Bridge with Bombing Runs would be something to consider... even if it would somewhat compromise his Combat Ability(even if not much.... maybe even not at all) and just attack the Aux Bridge and Engine room
That was my thought. Couple hundred commandos, even killing 10 to 1 men, would be simply swamped in the 10k odd storm troopers around the place, who would all be moving towards the detected breach.
You are correct, the Hijack of the ISD is probably the biggest risk in this plan. However it would take a while for the majority of imperial troops to muster to the defense, given the shear size of the warship. Additionally the ISD is full of choke points and corridors which would allow the rebels to delay reinforcements as they secured their positions. It all comes down to the timing. How long before the Captain realizes the threat of the boarding action, how long it takes for the storm troopers to respond, how long it takes for the rebels to secure the rooms, how long can the rebels delay before they are repulsed. Given that the Empire is characterized by nepotism, incompetence and infighting, it's a coin toss as to whether the Captain is as dumb as a brick, or somewhat intelligent. So the Rebels have a chance...
This sounds like a fun objective style game for Star Wars Armada. Using the boarding party upgrade you could easily claim control after disabling shields on all sides of the Star Destroyer
I love this idea of setting up a scenario for the rebels to capture an ISD. Do you think you could do more videos with this style? Like doing another scenario for the Separatists to capture a Republic Venator SD, as a means of explaining how the Separatists would get ahold of a Venator like in The Clone Wars episode, Point Of No Return.
In Legends, the larges ships the early Rebel Alliance had were several Lucrehulk-class Battleships provided by Separatist holdouts that joined the Alliance. They were mainly used as carriers as they could transport hundreds of fighters in their large hangar bays.
The first step for me would be to figure out where a Star Destroyer is most vulnerable. That would be while at a spacedock during refit or normal maintenance. The crew and Stormtrooper numbers would be at it's lowest. Also, Imperial arrogance would view this as an impossibility, which based on experience is an asset. To increase the odds, recruiting and flipping the captain or similar senior officer would boost the odds. One of the rebels strengths is base infiltration. Arranging for a quarter or a third of the maintenance team to be rebels would be neccessary.
Remember still a Spacedock is going to hae massive defenses. Presuming it's not in a core system, it's still going to be at least two kilometers long (a Star Destroyer is 1.6), have thousands of personnel, defense emplacemetns, have multiple squadrons of TIES, probably a Golan Platform, and smal capital ships in the area. It's easier, but not a cakewalk either.
The Raider would seem to carry 4 TIEs, but they couldn't do much, and the Light Cruiser didn't carry fighters as standard practice. (Since the ISD had 72 TIEs it would have no reason to)
I would say the raider corvette wouldn’t have a hanger even with its appearance in SWBII but I think a ship that belongs to a special forces group would have modifications, as for the light cruiser, they can carry like 3 fighters in the middle thing on the ship and the ISD could probably launch fighters through its secondary hanger
Once a target ISD is identified infiltration is key. Defectors who have made themselves known to the rebels but have not abandoned their posts are crucial. Executed correctly, the rebels may even be able to acquire more than one. Loss of life can be kept at a minimum too. Get a defector(s) who works in personnel to assign other defectors to one or more ISDs in positions that would make it easy for them to disable the majority of an ISDs systems (bridge/aux b/eng). If additional defectors are available assign them to the escort ships assigned to the ISDs. The possibility now exists to "acquire" them too (the escort ships). These teams, properly places will be able to take the ships by creating an "emergency" that forces evacuation of the ship. Them they simply take it. Even if that wasn't a possibility the pre-deployment of defectors would give any assault fleet a huge advantage: shutting done wpns, engs, escort ships, etc. So now we have captured an ISD, what do we do with it? Use it in a manner to play off your enemy. If the will send dozens of ISDs after the stolen one use this to your advantage. The Battle of Endor had around 3-4 dozen large Imp ships depending on your sources and this was considered one of the largest gatherings of ISDs ever. That tells me and any other strategically minded fellow that, in an attempt to put a strangle hold on the galaxy the Empire had over extended itself and assigned its 25k IDS too thinly across their controlled space instead of mobilizing them in quick reaction/defense forces. Pulling even a few dozen ISDs away from their normal patrols leaves this areas open for exploitation by the Rebellion. The Rebels wouldn't use an ISD for direct combat (unless the engagement was severely in their favor and exposing any stolen ISD(s) was worth the risk of the objectives). Instead I see them just using them as bait to pull other Imp ships out of position for the Rebels to exploit.
If their spy network was large enough to accomplish this then maybe on a small scale this would work. The main portion you are forgetting is that once one, or more, of their battleships go missing they would have to be hidden for months while crews are trained and battle plans are drawn. You sound like you would immediately want to turn their guns on the rest of the enemy. This is a marathon not a sprint. Move to early and you risk loosing everything you have gained.
It's been years since I read the old X-Wing books, so correct me if I'm wrong here, but I seem to remember Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron successfully capturing ISDs using the following "one-two punch" tactic: Step 1: Attack from either the left or right side with a full squadron of X-Wings launching proton torpedoes, causing the ship's shields on that side to collapse Step 2: Have another squadron exit hyperspace at precisely the right time and location to execute a second unexpected torpedo strike from the opposite side, focused directly on the ship's main bridge, just after the crew has adjusted the remaining shield power to cover the gap on first side having been attacked, leaving the opposite side unprotected Step 3: watch the bridge explode while both squadrons retreat to safe range and wait for the remaining crew to realize they are now stranded and without leadership, and surrender
The biggest issue I can see would be the lack of time from distress signals. If you know who they would likely contact, you could infiltrate the base and reroute the distress call, or just attack/raid the base at the same time you are attacking the star destroyer, and bog down any possible help the Imperials could hope to get. Also offer a few merc/bounty hunters the contract to help out in exchange for top gear and credits, and you can significantly improve the boarding team chances. If they have any B-wings, they can shred the cruiser escorts quickly, saving ships and cutting down on casualties. That’s all I got. Great video man!!!
For my strategy I would capture about 3 Gozanti transport ships, put as stormtrooper, officers and engineers dressed rebels in it and take down the ISD by "refreshing" parts of the old troops on board. Then I would slowly going to terminate some parts of the crew and replace them with rebel troops. But I will describe you my plan in detail. So let's start with the arrival of the "refreshments" at the main hangar bay. At first I would sabotage the long range transmitter so that the ISD cannot call for aid. Also I would take the tracking device down. Then I would concentrate on the 3 sections necessary to capture one ship. First would be the main engineering. I would replace the workers up to the point when 80 percent of the workers are rebels and then eliminate the rest. For the auxiliary bridge I would use the same tactic. The main bridge is a much harder part due to the presence of the commanding officer, maybe an admiral. Now I would use a different way. I would take an imperial shuttle with Kanen and Ezra disguised as prisoners to the commanding officer on the bridge, seal it and would kill the bridge crew with some rebel-stormtroopers and the help of the jedi. The final act would be to finish the last imperials on board of and take the ISD to rebel command. In my opinion it's the easiest way to capture an ISD by infiltrating the vehicle. And also I would like to know how to capture the Death Star. I know only the thought of that is insane but it would be nice to know.
What do you do when you arrive with your "refreshment" party and they say "Nope, you aint gonna get in because you are not standing on our shedule plans?"
Nice idea, and great video as always! A couple of thing though, this strategy assumes that the ISD would tractor in the Gozanti-class, but what if they don't go for the bait? If I was commanding an ISD and came across an empty damaged ship, I would probably send a squad of troopers in a Lambda shuttle (or something) to check it out first. Now I know Imperial commanders aren't always portrayed as the strongest critical thinkers (especially in Rebels), but the captain would have to be really stupid to just scoop up an unknown vessel without any investigation. If they don't go for the bait I don't think this battle could be won. Also, if even one or two of the ISD's turbolaser batteries opened up on the GR-75's during their approach I don't think they would even make it close enough to deploy their troops. Just my 2 cents, looking forward to more videos!
If you aren't going to deploy Home One anyway, why not reclass a captured ISD as Home Two? It's a huge mobile base with tons of room for starfighters, which as you stated are the Rebel's best form of offense. An ISD Home Two could be used very well for ranged hit and runs, using its main batteries to keep other scattered Imperial craft from retaking it, and occasionally itself providing a bombardment option against fortified raid targets. In the off chance that a capture attempt actually succeeded, there are definitely plausible applications for its use.
If I could watch videos like this every single day and never be tired. this is the content I hope to create soon I felt like this would be a costly venture for the Rebellion. I would like to see more boarding related videos and styles and lore related stuff
Please do a video like this about what would happen if the rebels had the death star, and how the imperials would destroy it. [Note: remember that the imperials dont know about the exauhst port.👌
If Palpatine was desperate they could ram a few executor class dreadnaughts in it......or Vader and good old Palps could use the so called "Power of the Dark side" ;)
Darth vader would be sent, burn a whole through the side with the 501st, and slowly cut his way through the million rebels to capture the station. The empire would have no need to protect a planet in the same way for the urgency to matter.
TIEs that are in use at rebels time period don't have missiles or torpedoes the bombers do though but their too slow to dodge that many AAguns the TIE-I wasn't designed till around the time of the battle of hoth
Why not have the transports jump into hyperspace immediately after deploying the commandos? They are basically useless at this point. It's not like they could extract survivors if the boarding action failed.
I really love this plan. It could come in handy if the rebels needed a bit disposable fire power or something they can trade in for a bigger target, or even for a defensive mission. Even if the SD doesn't fit into the rebels "normal" plans, it could really be good for something specific.
Legends solution: Get one of Bail Organa's lend-lease Lucrehulks, fill the hangar bay with a hundred pre-war LAATs each one loaded with a squad of Alderaanian marine volunteers. Have a Viscount at hand to elimimate the escort ships or else use the Viscount to send out more LAATs to secure the escort ships. Congratulations, you just captured an entire Imperial Patrol Fleet with 2 capital ships and a bit of House Organa political schwing
Also, the rebels didn’t have a viscount until 27 years after the timeframe of this video, and the single lucrehulk the rebels had was in other duties. Do some damn research
@@erynncollier8672 in the old expanded universe lots of Alderaanians joined the rebellion after destruction of their planet. They seemed to have a grudge against the Empire.
@@Alpha_Digamma Yes they did. I'm not sure how that's relevant to OP's post though. Alderaan doesn't have any trained soldiers to operate warships, LAAt/i dropships, or to fill the role of marines. The planet in question simply lacks the experts in the field to field the units mentioned.
@@erynncollier8672 you seem to be assuming the rebel alliance consisted of miliary experts mainly. Why? Aside from that basic US marine training takes 13 weeks. So why shouldn't alderaanian civilians get trained equally fast by some other rebels or hired mercs?
Nevermind ISDs. Go capture some Venators. There's no way all of them got scrapped, and the ones who hold them are either local system lords allied to the Empire or rear eschalon units disfavored by the Admiralty. Either way, those are (a) easier to get than an ISD and (b) far better suited to the Rebellion's style of space warfare. Like Home One, a Rebel-held Venator is best used as a mobile operations base; not deployed to battle, but close to the objective location to easily make its fighters able to jump over and back with ease. It can do all that the Quasar-class can do, and it's got far superior firepower. When it must be deployed into the line of battle, it can do so competently, but (like the ISD) it needs ships to escort it to be used to best effect in a fleet action.
If one stole a Venrator it would need a lot of time and resources to make it spaceworthy, reinstall/reactivate the weapon systems, then to get the main reactor and fuel for same back online. Such time and resources are better used elsewhere. To take an ISD you'd have find a way to kill the crew near instantly, silently and in one fell swoop An ISD wouldn't require refitting make it spaceworthy, it already is weapon and defensive systems still online, main reactor fueled and online. Another way to capture an ISD is pulling a "Hunt for Red October" type scenario, ie: The captain and most of the senior officers defect and they get the crew off the ship in such a way that the crew doesn't even suspect a defection. You'd also have to weed out and eliminate any imperial intelligence agents and/or the imperial equivalent of a political officer, Emperor's Hands and the like. Such people will either report back to the Emperor and/Vader who in turn sent a small fleet to retake the ISD or destroy it if retaking the ship is not feasible or not possible
I love that all of this is true and was only justifiable in real SW Canon after the Alliance became the New Republic. It's like someone saw this video and said: "yeah, this would work for the creation of the Starhawk".
Nah. The ship the rebellion _really_ needs to try capturing is an Interdictor. The amount of guerilla shenanigans you can get up to with one of those is off the charts.
Hold up. The reactor exploding could destroy the isd? That means they would never let any ship with a reactor large enough to do that anywhere near them.. A boarding squad would be sent and a towing ship called in.
A reactor exploding inside the ISD will shred it to bits but if it were outside it wouldn't cause very significant damage to the hull and deflector shield combo.
You only need three people, one droid, and a Jedi. In Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX "Duel of the Fates" draft script, Poe, Finn, Rose, BB-8, and Rey steal an Eclipse-class dreadnought straight out of the Kuat shipyard. And then the Resistance uses it as a mobile base.
With Rogue One as an inspiration, I have an alternative suggestion: Ion Torpedoes. If you have the decoy ship loaded with torpedoes for its self-destruct, and have a hidden wing of Y-Wings also loaded with Ion Torpedoes, in theory, once the ISD attempts to tractor in the ship, the Y-Wings could slip away unnoticed at the last moment (after all, the Millenium Falcon, AND the escape pod from the Tantive IV successfully fled the sensors of an ISD at point blank range without immediate detection), and launch their own torpedoes at the escorts as part of a surprise attack. If the attack goes to plan, all three ships would be completely disabled, unable to make a distress call, then the Rebels can simply swoop in, do the boarding action(s) (if they want to also steal the escorts), fix it, and leave. By disabling the ability to both self-destruct, and to make a distress call, it would buy tons of time to hotfix the ship(s) for departure. It would also give them full squadrons of TIE Fighters, TIE Bombers, and/or TIE Interceptors to add to their force. Also consider that the Rebels are known to reprogram Imperial droids; if they made some sort of virus, they could turn the ship's entire droid force against their former owners, dramatically improving the odds for the boarding party (assuming that the Ion Torpedoes don't also kill the droids on board).
could be easier. 1. take a Scimitar Dreadnought 2. Cloak & Load Tachyon Weapon 3. Uncloak and fire Tachyon Weapon 4. ISD Crew is now dead and can safetly be boarded ;)
yeah no doubt, I ind it unlikely that the Scorpions would be needed though, even if the Remans didn't use the Thaleron weapon to exterminate all organics aboard the ISD thy could just make a few passes firing their disrupters and torpedoes until the ISD is crippled. the Imperials would't know what hit them or have a chance to launch fighters they'd be gone before they knew they were under attack
Seems to me like you could have just filled the first ship with troops and let them be tractored into the ship. After that, you could still pull off your first plan of attack as backup. Invading the ship from both ends.
Can I use your plan in a fanfic, it is a great plan (even if the rebels would never do it) P.S. Wouldn't it just be the rebels luck if the ISD they tried to capture was the Chimaera.
@@BlueRaven893 The first question that would pass through Thrawn's head when he received the Gozanti's distress call would be, "What is the objective of those responsible for the vessel's reappearance?" It would be followed closely by, "They're obviously counting on a response to the ship's distress call, so whatever their plan is they're expecting to be springing an ambush. They're also unlikely to possess the firepower to confront an Imperial Star Destroyer head on, so an element of their plan no doubt involves an attempt to cripple this vessel. That Gozanti Cruiser is definitely the bait, but it could also be the vehicle for the attempt to disable this vessel." The thought process would likely then proceed further along the lines of "How could a Gozanti cruiser be used to disable an Imperial Star Destroyer? The only way it could cause any damage at all would be from within the main hangar, beneath the vessel's shields. Ah., They want me to take the vessel aboard. They're counting on chaos or damage caused in the main hangar to disable the ship's ability to launch and recover starfighters. This tells me that the enemy attack will be composed primarily of starfighters. This means that there is either an enemy carrier or fixed base somewhere very close to the Gozanti cruiser's location. In order for the rebels to arrive at the location in question within a reasonable time frame, the length of their hyperspace jump will be very short indeed. This narrows down their possible hiding places dramatically. They'll also need to have deployed a forward element either aboard or in a position to observe the Gozanti cruiser in order to contact their forces when the trap is to be sprung. The best position they could arrive in in order to engage my vessel would be below and behind it. This information provides me the likely approach vector of the rebel forces, further narrowing down their possible hiding places." Thrawn then consults his star charts. "I see there are no stellar bodies within that arc close enough for enemy forces to be stationed on. We're dealing with a carrier for sure then. In order to achieve victory in this engagement, I'll need to turn the situation around on the enemy and ambush their carrier, preferably with the Chimera. Since I already know where the enemy is likely to appear, I'll need to position the Chimera behind their formation while simultaneously convincing them that my Star Destroyer is already present and that it has just been disabled." Thrawn then turns to a junior officer and orders the launch of one or more probe droids to monitor comms traffic in the system. He then uses multiple intercepted transmissions to triangulate the rebel forward observer's position. The forward observer is then killed by Storm Commandos. The Gozanti is then quickly boarded and the bombs are disarmed. Thrawn then rigs one of his assault shuttles to use its tractor beam to catapult the Gozanti cruiser ahead at high speed. Thrawn positions an assault shuttle behind the Gozanti cruiser, using the vessel to hide its presence. He launches his entire complement of starfighters and positions the bombers on the flanks of the expected rebel arrival area. He positions the Chimera behind the expected rebel arrival position, and his two support ships smack in the middle of the expected arrival zone of the enemy fleet. The storm commandos then duplicate the alliance code observed by the probe droid(s) and or divulged by the alliance forward observer prior to execution, and send a message indicating that the Gozanti has been taken aboard the Star Destroyer. The rebel fleet jumps in and is immediately set upon by two corvettes smack in the middle of their formation causing absolute chaos and mowing down starfighters left and right They also cause a breakdown in rebel communication by employing full spectrum jamming to prevent the rebels from sending messages to each other. The Assault shuttle flings the Gozanti at one of the nebulon B cruisers while a droid on board keeps it on target via the use of maneuvering thrusters. The Gozanti then collides with the Nebulon B at high speed and detonates, the explosives the rebels had intended to use against Thrawn taking down one of their own ships instead. Half of the Tie Fighters then move in and engage the rebel starfighters, assisting in the wholesale slaughter of said rebel fighters at the hands of the corvettes. The tie bombers then sweep in from the flanks and disable the rebel ships' engines While the Chimera brings its big guns to bear from behind its fighter screen, assisting in disabling the rebel flotila. The Assault shuttle heads for the Quasar Class to begin a boarding action, while additional assault shuttles launch from the hangars of the Chimera to board and capture each rebel ship as it becomes disabled. The battle goes completely tits up for the rebellion because they can't communicate in order to respond to an unforseen ambush, while Thrawn's forces competently execute a known battle plan to near perfection.
This is exactly what Vanguard Squadron ends up doing in the recently released Star Wars Squadrons Video Game. Kudos on thinking this up several years before it shows up in cannon
What about just hacking into the computers and immediately disabling the self destruct, and weapons, as well as venting everyone out of the ship? This is of course assuming they can get access to the main computer system.
Better to do it as a commando exclusive mission when it was in drydock for repairs with minimal crew. Like the attempt to steal Razor's Kiss. But as for stealing one in operation... This is probably the cleanest plan you can get
Would love to see more videos like this, maybe something on how the CIS could raid Coruscant as (so far as I'm aware) we don't yet have an explanation in the new canon of how they kidnapped the chancellor
Ion torpedoes! Seriously, they have been shown to be excessively effective against an isd. Also, if you use them in the initial strike the ship would not, in theory, be able to call for help. That would leave the isd drifting while the insertion takes place. This means that the rebel ships could focus on taking out the other two imperial ships before the insertion teams even get to their targets. This gives the rebel ships the ability to focus their assault and pull off this mission with far fewer casualties than you propose.
Blasting an ISD with ion torpedoes would just disable it, and although the rebel alliance is basically magic, I don't think 180 commandos have the ability to un-disable a disabled star destroyer
@@jrobilliard6499 With just a little preparation it is easy. If you need a larger ship to give it 'a boost' just have it on stand-bye. Besides, half the ship would have spaced half of the crew sue to all the force fields coming down. This gives the insertion team an easier time. Plus if you jam communications when you first arrive you could have days to take the ship and get it running again. Like I said before, this is far easier than people want to admit.
Great video and I love how you summed up the objective as a terrible idea before you got into the video. I have two ideas that might offer better casualty rates for rebel forces and both rely on covert actions. Plan A: get your Bothan spies to find a lone star destroyer that makes regular trips to a outer planet or is scheduled to arrive somewhere then assemble a Ion cannon similer to that on Hoth or if that isn't feasible send Y wings to the location to land on an asteroid in a asteroid field or be adrift to make them less detectable by the ISD then when the Star Destroyer arrives simply activate them in a surprise attack then disable the ISD with Ion Bombs seen in the film Rouge One and then send in your boarding force like you mentioned in the video to capture and clear the ship. At the point when the Y wings engage the ISD the rebel fleet would arrive and defeat any escorts. So long as you jam imperial communications they won't be able to send any distress signals and your boarding force would have a little bit of time to restart the engines. Plan B; using your Bothan spies get all the documentation in place to plant rebel forces acting as imperial crew on board a ISD in the Fondor ship yard. Get your undercover soldiers to be in a position to secure both bridges and engineering and ready to cut all life support to other areas or fill those areas with sleeping gas. Once everything is ready send in a sizeable rebel battlefleet to attack the shipyard. Then the ISD will be launched if not under actual imperial orders then the secret rebels will get the ship underway. Once the ISD is away then get the rebel fleet to run and disperse and have the ISD jump to lightspeed. By the time the imperial crew realise they have rebels onboard they should be suffocating to death or falling asleep. Alternatively just try to acquire a Venator class that's for sale or is mothballed.
A single group of three Y-wings crippled an ISD during the battle of Scariff, and a single Hammerhead Corvette decapitated a second ISD using the first, destroying the Planetary Shield Generator in the process.
Well, the Eleemosynary lasted 6 hours against the whole Alliance Fleet at Endor before being ion torpedoed, leading to the capture of Grand Admiral Osvald Teshik. Must have been a Deuce.... Impstar IIs are tough.
One problem that discredits your entire battle plan. There is no way in hell the cpt of that Star Destroyer would take a ship disabled by the enemy aboard without investigating first. Very few trained Commanders would fall for something like that. Your scenario is massively flawed based upon what we know of established canon. The rebels would fail this mission simply because the Imperials would see the deseption, blow up the ship and send a fake distress signal and lure the rebels in before tearing them to shreds. I hate when people automatically assume the imperials are fucking morons with no military xp that fall for obvious ambushes.
This is by far the weakest part, but imperials have made some dumber calls than this. It may be possible to have the ship bounce a signal to fake a few crew members. Then the rest of the plan should be possible.
I think you overestimate the intelligence and competence of the Imperials. These are the same people who lost one death star, and then decided to build another. And who lost to a bunch of living teddy bears with rocks.
I like your plan. It has the virtues of decisive actions specified and clear objectives defined. I offer two improvements: # 1: Destroy the main bridge and control the ships maneuvers from main engineering. This reduces the needed capture points by one thereby improving capture odds by 1/3. Repairing the bridge is an acceptable cost given the reduction of risk to the mission, not to mention personnel on the mission. # 2: Fly the transport ships directly away from the insertion area after troop deployment. It does separate them from the battle force but that is the whole point. They simply fly back to rebel space after insertion because the boarding parties no longer need them and this reduces both casualties and ship losses even further making the whole plan more cost effective to consider repeating (provided such an opportunity is available a second time of course).
Taking ships such as the _Ghost_ and the _Phantom_ into consideration, I think it'd be best to send an experienced strike team in the _Ghost_ and/or any available U-Wings modified with similar tech. Lead by Captain Rex, as you suggest, and perhaps a couple former Jedi if they have any. Go in through the same route you suggested, and have all transport ships immediately pull out, either to a minimum safe distance on sublight or to the other side of any planets via hyperspace. That way they could at least attempt a pick-up if the need arose. From there, if things went according to plan, the Rebels could take over, blast the escorts, and jump out.
I actually read a novel where a star destroyer was captured... hey wait a minute I think I've read multiple novels on this topic. Only one I can remember being successful , and that was because the captain turned getting other's involved. The other was a disease got on-board and it wasn't a good idea to capture the ship , but to escape the zombie plague.
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If reworded, this would legitimately sound like a rebel briefing, upto and including the ridiculously high casualty rate.
Nah. The rebel alliance would absolutely load their marines onto the ship being tractored into the hanger bay and engage in a running gunfight through half the vessel.
@@CptJistuce yeah sounds about right lol
@@CptJistuce Imagine Luke among them, what a dream that would be!
The point of capturing and ISD would not be to have the ship specifically, but the material wealth within. ISDs are usually fully stocked to do almost everything, you would have food, medicines, weapons, armor, parts, fuel and so on. Once the Empire catches up to their lost ISD the only thing left would be a bare keel.
This is ideally.
Bingo. This is the only way to realistically put an Impstar to use for the rebellion.
Thst and you could scrap it for materials to build dozens of star fighters.
Or pull a Kahm Rota and train a militia in the use of the ship and pack it full of your own forces. Aliens, escaped slaves, patriots, droids. Use B-2 and B-1 droids as security and turn the ship into a mobile factory for your fighters and droids
@@Darqshadow The rebel alliance generally lacks the manpower to pull that off in any actually useful capacity. They're better off putting that huge crew on a much larger number of smaller ships.
Stinks through, bc with this plan most of the material would be sucked out with the crew. 😂
How To Steal An Imperial-class Star Destroyer:
Step 1 - Don't.
Step 2 - Steal deactivated/mothballed Venator's instead -- With space for nearly 200 starfighters and a balance weapons loadout, they are a much better choice, with lower crew requirements.
Step 3 - Really, steal anything but an ISD.
Step 4 - In the event that the preceding was unclear, reread Step 3, until it sinks in.
Or steal a lucrehulk
Whats Sucks is the Clone Wars Venerators were scrapped for the ISDs
Or use droids for said ISD and have it act a proper battleship for a Venator carrier
The venator is far to underpowered for its size and crew requirement. Also the Alliance kind of does not need that many carriers, most of ther star fighters have hyperdrives
@@motivationlessaxolotl8266 plus if you loses the carrier and need to bug out you have lost all the fighters as well and as a hit and run gorilla rebel group you need ever ship and fighter you can get.
This would be a great mode for Battlefront 2.
Statesmen that is a really good idea
That would be sick!
Statesmen but taking a supper star destroyer
Raptor A a super star destroyer would be really hard to get close enough to board
Slight problem they would turn it into a weird capture the point game since they are to cheap to make a unique animations for it
Watching Squadrons campaign footage, and their mission to capture an ISD for Project Starhawk immediately made me think of this! xD
Me too lol
At least there, it's the fledgling Galactic Republic - the Imperial Navy is still there and still powerful, but they are no longer in a position of dominance, and the -rebels- Republic can more reliably recruit and field large numbers than they previously could.
This plan have one major flaw. Why would ISD pull a heavy damage Gozanti in to own hangar space? It is unstable wreck that can have core breach, no need to endanger the ISD with such action. Check for the life signs, send boarding craft. If everybody is dead, inform the sector command to send recovery squad and tugs. Maybe leave a light cruiser to guard it, then get back to the patrol route.
Galvars I feel that is probably the weakest part of the plan, if I was in a SD Captain I would be very suspicious of bringing a ship that is in an unknown condition within my own, but then again Imperials have made some questionable decisions before.
Well the core of this plan demand that Imperial captain will be stereotypical, arrogant and incompetent.
Galvars haha yes "plan requires typical imperial" XD
I thought about this too. The Rebels would have to fake the life signatures somehow. Also it might be good if they got a Confederacy commando droid on that ship or some other droid modle that can mimic voices. That way the captain has someone to talk to.
My thought exactly, this plan needs to succeed before it even begins. Another problem is how do i make shure iam behind the ISD and have it in my front arc. Also what stop the ISD from flipping up side down so it shoots the Nebulons.
I love how you preface the whole thing with "This is a terrible idea" :D
Definitely not a great move for the Rebellion, but still awesome to see the tactics they could use :)
Great video as per usual!
I made an X-Wing (DOS) mission once where the objective was to do exactly that. It was... entertaining. XD
In discanon, only one ISD was in Rebel hands. In Legends, VSDs were more the target but a few ISDs fell too.
How to capture a star destroyer:
Step 1) Don't
Step 2) No seriously, don't.
I did it in Gmod once. And all I had was some B1s and B2s for backup.
Halopro895 Bananas in pajamas ?
Here's how I think you can capture a Star Destroyer or even two Star Destroyer's! All you need is a fleet of 16 heavily armed Klingon Negh'Var class Battleships and 200 Klingon Vor'Cha class Attack Cruisers, and 150 K'Tinga class battle cruisers, and 1,000 Klingon Bird's of Prey, that will decloak; surround, and take out the Star Destroyer's shields, weapons power grid, jam communications, destroy the fighter bay; so they can't launch fighters or shuttles, and hyperdrive just in case if they try to escape or try sending a distress call. Then beam over Klingon boarding parties onto the main bridge! Klingon warriors are much better trained fighters than those lousy Stormtroopers who have the worst aim ever! Total Klingon victory assured because Klingons do not surrender to the likes of those Galactic Empire Swine!!!
Greywolf905 totaly right
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Anyone here after seeing the Star Wars Squadrons campaign where they literally try to steal a star destroyer using similar strategies
That is why i watched this video when i saw the thumbnail lol
Exactly what I was thinking as soon as I saw the thumbnail
I saw this before doing that mission then thought "wait didn't I see something like this on RUclips..."
i feel like it would be more realistic at the time of squardrens then it would be at the time of rebels
Star hawk for the win
Me: "Hey Alexa, How many stormtroopers are stationed on an ISD?"
Alexa: "There are 9700 Stormtroopers onboard and Imperial Star Destroyer with an additional 37,000 Crew members."
Me: "So much for that plan..."
Only so many troops can fit in one hallway or room. That's why they're only capturing three mission critical rooms, and then spacing the rest of the ship.
Gas them
Edit:or just use the doors
+Piotr Wójcik Or rather, _de-gas_ them.
According to my (dubious) calculations, that means an ISD is big enough to physically fit another 92 ISD crews.
@@piotrwojcik6277 Or open all the airlocks and suck them out the ISD.
Capturing an ISD in and of itself wouldn't serve a significant military purpose, but it would have immense political propaganda value. It would first off be a powerful signal of the strength and capability of the Alliance that could help sway some fence sitting systems and organizations, who had doubts over the rebels capabilities and competence. Secondly it would be a statement of resolve for the Alliance to say that they are able and willing to hit hard targets. It could also serve a military purpose of forcing the Imperial Navy to expend far more resources to prevent something like this from happening again, and to repair its loss of prestige from the incident. Lastly you could take advantage of the fact that the Imperial Navy would not allow a ship like this to remain in rebel hand, quickly strip it of all useful supplies and munitions, and then leave it out in space for the Navy to try and seize back, run by a skeleton crew and droids, laden with a ton of booby traps, essentially a floating Fallujah. Make it so that Navy either has to suffer enormous causalities seizing the ship, or is force to just blow the damn thing up. If the Skeleton crew had a hyper-drive equipped shuttle, they could also escape at some point, so as to not make this a guaranteed suicide mission.
Or cloak it and use it for a ambush craft or an undetectable mobile base. Even a gaurd for yavin so that the empire won't take the rebel base.
Just drag it with tugs outside of charted territory and cole proticole its location and use it as rebel highcom. Tye dismantle for what shipyard are avaliable
Strip the sucker of guns, armour, shield generators, communications equipment, sensors, electronic parts, everything useful. Then tug the useless husk to the orbit of some loyal imperial planet and leave it there broadcasting the Declaration of the Alliance to Restore the Republic for all to hear and see it.
Finally someone that can think in three dimensions. Though you missed a single point. If it is used as support for fighters when assaulting larger targets it can be used as a mobile command center and space born artillery support. There is actually a lot you can due with a battleship.
@@OrDuneStudios Cole protocol is science fact, this is science fantasy. I only bring this up because I doubt they have ever had such a protocol.
After consideration, I realize I should probably have swapped those two CR90s out for Dornean Gunships or Hammerhead Corvettes. The CR90 is far from ideal when the enemy has already lost their fighters.
EDIT: Just like to clarify that I did consider Ion weapons and looked into specifics of how long they would disable the ship, but after I found a comic suggesting the Tyrant was disabled for quite some time after being hit by the Ion Cannon in Empire Strikes Back, I thought it best to just not use Ion weapons at all. (Though admittedly I can't speak to the specifics of lower yield ion detonations)
Not related to this video but to the only boarding action we see in Star Wars. In Episode III, Kenobi and Anakin are fleeing with the "Emperor" when the ships engines take a hit. The whole thing pivots towards the planet, but is still far outside a gravity field that a human would notice.
However everything thing no the ship begins to fall towards the planet. This makes no sense for both real physic and fictional physics reasons. Real; the ship is falling and accelerating, so it's contents would be in free fall a plane doing a dive. Fictional; the ship has artificial gravity towards the floor of the decking, surely that pulls to the floor at all times regardless of ship facing relative to a planet.
Is there a lore reason for this? Was it ever explained? Or was it just lazy scripting. I've been bugged by this question since Episode III was released... I still find it amusing.
Whoops? lol
Spacedock
what about "fleet in being" concept? Bismark and Tirpitz couldn't stand to british navy, but having them in certain area would require british to relocate several more battleships for the small chance they *_may_*_ be used_ thus removing them from another theatres of war. Same goes for Yamato and Musashi. Rebellion having ISD somewhere would force Empire to being able to field less of them against normal rebel forces because they would be busy countering single ship! Freeing space for your destroyers and submarines to raid much more freely.
P.S.: wouldn't approaching from engines melt their ships?
Anyone else signing for Space Admiral??
A torpedo run on the main bridge by Y-wings would help with no fighters to contend with a well trained and rehearsed squadron attack should be able to take it out.
If the bridge is destroyed it would mean the strike team would only need to take two areas instead of three. (strengthening the infiltrating forces and making capture and holding the two remaining objectives easier and more likely).
And as the auxiliary bridge function is that of the main bridge the Rebels could control the star destroyer easily until repairs could me made.
Also switch out explosives with the stun bombs used by phoenix squad on the assault on grand moth Tarkins star destroyer and you got a completely disabled crew, weapon systems, fighters and communications for the assault. leaving just the escort to take out with ease
A 'heist' style operation would probably work better, as an ISD would be easier to secure immediately after its construction or on its test flights. Such an operation would require Rebels to infiltrate Kuat Drive Yards (or a smaller shipyard) as imperial engineers or test crew. With the objective of stealing the ship whilst it has the minimum of crew (or no crew at all) or ensuring it does not return from a proving flight.
It might even be better to steal an incomplete ISD and carry out further theft to finish the ship. Several options for stealing it from dry-dock are possible, with the best being a fake reactor meltdown. Where the ship has to be towed (or under its own power) leave the yard with very little or no crew on-board at all.
As ships can't be tracked whilst travelling in hyperspace stealing such from a high profile well defended location deep in imperial territory, is in theory totally achievable. As once the ship is in hyperspace, its gone. (tracking devices not withstanding)
in this time in the rebellion it is litterally easier to take a star destroyer with darth vader on board than to infiltrate kuat drive yards and nab one.
I see that working. Half of Star Wars (Canon) is infiltrating an enemy base to fuck with it.
An improvement would be to add a distraction in a nearby system to draw off any imperial forces that would investigate this sudden disappearance.
What would work with less important military equipment is pinning the heist on a organized crime syndicate. But I cant imagine what the Hut cartel would want with an I.S.D...
The hutts wouldn't, but the Zann Consortium Certainly could do with one or two...
or maybe separatist holdouts
It doesn't have to be Kuat. Just find a Star Destroyer at a small, out of the way facility being refitted or finishing construction. Either way, it's a whole lot easier than capturing a fully manned ship in a combat situation.
Did you just order the frigates to move UNDER the star destroyer?:
Insert Episode 1 Meme here:
"My lord, is that legal?"
Phantom Menace was a great episode. So many things that are now memes, like that line you mentioned and the all-powerful Gungan, Jar Jar Binks.
Roll the star destroyer and bring them into firing range.
Or Episode 2 meme "They can't do that! Shoot them or something!"
"Yes, under, I said *under.* Move as low as you can, and engage that Arquitens at point-blank range!"
Well, the rebels could just send the Ghost crew; clearly, they cannot die because the plot forbids such.
That's all of Star Wars canon basically, a series of Mary Sues who luck their way to victory...
Edit: Rogue One being the exception, they come up with a similarly desperate plan as other star wars episodes, then get wrecked when it falls to shit.
Star Wars is centered on the Skywalker family drama, in all its iterations either tangentially or directly. (All the films/cartoons have either anakin/Darth Vader or Luke or Leia). They're the only ones with plot armor unless its a redemption storyline, then one of them will die.
As for the Ghost crew and Ezra, my money is still 50/50 on whether Ezra becomes a sith apprentice or even better, he somehow becomes snook :o
the force forbids it XD
hahahaha..........yeah....Are you sure about that? If you've seen the newest episodes of season four......
*Spoilers*
That plot armor is failing.
Because half of Legends isn't people just the same OT heroes exploiting plot armor time and again...
I wish the rebels captured or somehow secured more old CIS ships.
i wish CIS hold outs did more cool stuff, also in cnnon lots of CIS army and navy gies joined the rebels i wich they used more of their ships and droids
Boo Bah How is that silly? The ships gets scrapped and turned into raw materials for future ships. This happens in real life lmao.
The Venator represents the old Republic, Palpatine wanted that dead. Of course he would get rid of every reminder of the Republic including it's ships as fast as possible
Boo Bah I’m sure a lot of Venators were still being used, I don’t think all of them were scrapped instantly, they were slowly replaced as the new ones were being built. And the imperial destroyers fit the empire’s doctrine better, overwhelming firepower, lots of space for power projection/crisis response.
Well they did capture a lucrehulk in legends
I do love how they used this tactic in the new Squadrons game
Boarding this thing looks harder than destroying a Death Star
At least you don't need a Jedi for that.
Come on, everything easier than destroying the ds-1
Rebel admirals: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
Imagine the sheer amount of materials and tech the Rebels could get by taking apart the SD.
The GR-75s could have stayed magnetically clamped to the back of the ISD. With thr support ships down, the Imperials would habe had no way to destory them.
The crew may as well join the boarding party too. Their odds of surviving are terrible, but better than if they try to escape in the ships and they're likely more qualified than the boarders to actually fly the damn thing if they do succeed.
@@fnsmike i find it funny because the New Republic uses this exact plan to steal a Star Destroyer in the new Squadrons game.
@@mitwhitgaming7722 lol replayed the mission a few days ago and was reminded of this video and i thought well they took spacedocks idea and made it work
The GR-75s should have planned to jump to hyperspace as soon as they deployed the boarding parties. Because either the boarding parties succeed and don't need them or they fail and everyone is either dead or captured. Either way, the ships were no longer needed.
great video, very interesting. its important to note, however, that only the outer compartments of the isd would be able to be vented. the ship is so large that modt compartments near the center of the ship would not be able to be vented at all
It would still contain them, and take out a decent chunk of Imperial forces.
I have Always wondered what degree of control one could have over such a ships life support, perhaps one could alter the system to not recycle oxygen, eventually replacing all the oxygen with another gas, Like carbon dioxide or nitrogen but idk
Walker Gargagliano yes but he did also say that the rebels would disable life support on all the ship which would take longer but would still end up killing the imperials
They could vent various gasses through the life support system to either incapacitate or kill the imperials aboard.
So don't vent them, just stop pumping air INTO them and let the crews suffocate.
This just makes me wounder, how good would a few venator class star destroyers be in rebel hands. Those things could carry hundreds of fighters.
Well if you think 1.2 kilometers is small.
A captured/abandoned Venator would be an almost perfect Rebel flagship. A large carrier that can hold its own against anything less than an ISD. With a good fighter wing, it could probably compete with several ISDs.
John Lavery Pretty well if the Rebels use them sparingly and not for Hit and run attacks. 8 Venators can take on 1 ISD.
ship to ship wise it's 8 Venators per ISD. But if the Venators have a full Compliment of Fighters it should be about equal to an ISD if we take the Fighters into account.
if they could stay out of range of the guns from the ISD then they could bring 400 fighters to the fight :) but in the legends did the rebels not capture a few venators ?
It's weird how similar this plan is to the mission in Star Wars: Squadrons where you attempt the same undertaking.
If the Rebel Alliance was able to capture an ISD like this, they could use hidden separatist holdouts they would've discovered to create droids to supplement the organic crew and then use it as a defensive ship with Home 1 at Yavin. This would also give the rebels another, larger ship to escape the planet on when the Death Star's escort fleet came in with a retaliatory strike on the rebel base. Not to mention one with enough firepower to go toe to toe with other ISDs.
Crew the gr-75s with droids, so they don't cause a loss in personnel, and and mix a few astromechs into the commando teams for support Purposes, and Idk about the exploding galante, I'd fill it with commando droids from the clone wars as I know there are plenty of them lying around, and have them cause as much havoc as possible without to much damage to the ship, a good blaster fight going on in the hanger would tie up strike craft capabilities just as well as blowing up the hangers, and any spare vulture droids or reactivated clone wars stuff would be great here for this and dont tell me the rebels don't have any left over stuff.
A lot of older Separatist hardware did get found and repurposed by the Rebellion such as warships, so it's not illogical to think some Battle Droids may have been used as well.
XironbeastX I honestly am still holding out hope to see something like this in Star Wars Rebels. I bet Kalani knew all sorts of secret separatist installations that could have what he needs, from infantry to star fighters to ships.
in legends the rebels had large numbers of separatist droids at their disposal but didn't use them openly (i beleive they were used separate from rebel fleets so as to be blamed as separatist hold outs or pirates) because 20 or so years of imperial propaganda made any open use of battle droids and such the equivalent to waving Nazi emblems in our world. in the new cannon we have 2 major post endor factions that are basically CIS factions, intill we get more info on them i will head cannon them as separatist turned rebels turned back into seps after the war. i also head cannon them useing B1 and B2, etc, droids in their armies but like modernized (like new CUP and programing and simplifed production, FYI B1s are already very good the only real problem was that their proceesing units were too cheap slightly better CUPs which are now cheaper 30+ years later and we have smart B1s with maybe slightly better eyes and new formula for armour, the B1 was often showed in cannon and legends as being stronger than clones [eg one battle droid easily lifting a shell then latter 2 clones struggling to lift the same shell, or that jedi game back in the early 2000s were B1s could 1 punch you]) infact th rebels could use their resauces and simply install program updates in regular B1s and have better troops then their standard men, i mean in the movies B1s are actually quite accurate and take cover so are already not that bad soldiers with improved 'brains' they would be exelent grunts. upgraded clone wars vet droids would also be very useful (remeber star wars droids learn and stuff from experiances so droids surviveing battle could be very effective latter. a cool star wars rebel scene cud have a vet B1 exclaiming how 'he' fought clones and even saw a jedi, these storm troopers are nothing
Why doesn't the Rebel Alliance capture some old Venators? I think Venators could be an alternative because (a) the clone wars era arms would make them a more economical alternative to the Quasar class carriers since they have modest enough anti-ship arms to defend themselves or even perform strikes and (b) they seem relatively fast enough for the Alliance's hit-and-run naval doctrine since the ships are relatively fast for their size and attack craft capacity.
Legends and cannon both have both sides using clone war ships.
@ddam1320
That's not really a reason to not ontain one.
Maybe reason is crew coplaiment. 7400 Crew for Venator is too much for rebels to mantain larger number
In the Star Wars FFG game my friend is running for us, our home base for a lot of our operations at the start of our campaign was an old Venator captained by a defector from right at the end of the Clone Wars.
Or just do what Rogue Squadron did in the Bacta War, find a ISD captain who's on the fence about staying Imperial and bribe him into defecting, or the Booster Terrik method of catching one in a gravity well generator light it up with 300 missile and torpedo targeting sensors and trick the captain into surrendering. Or pound an SSD with several hundred missiles and torpedos and a junior officer shoots the captain and surrenders rather than let the captain crash the ship into Thyferra.
Or hire flim and secretly execute the captain and replace him. There are 1001 ways to capture an imperial star destroyer, or any ship for that matter. Mara jade, use override codes. use a jedi with a lightsaber, practically any jedi. Thrawn, from a guerilla campaign from exile on a feral world. Starkiller, by threatening to smash it into a planet, kyp duron, equally. The list is so huge.
I'm guessing that the Rebel Alliance got a few ISD ships after the battle of Endor. With the Emperor, Vader and a bunch of other important Imperial leaders gone there would have been plenty of defectors. And that really is the best way to get the ship, with most of the old crew willing to work for the rebels.
it depends on who those captains are, war crimes or just loyalty to a cause superases loyalty to an individual. if star wars was realistic the endor fleet would have just punded the rebels to death after they lost the 2nd death star then burned the moon with orbital fire. no more rebels (also gravity well generators to stop the rebels from escaping). the leader of the fleet would then probably become the next emperor as he had the prestige of ending the rebles although other imperial war lords would challenge him and imperial civil war starts.
Matthew Burger most of the imperial fleet was over the death star before it exploded, realistically most of their fleet would be destroyed and the remaining would either stay and fight a losing battle or retreat
Badger from what I could see most of the fleet was spread out from the death star to the flanks of the rebel fleet making at least half but due to the physics of how space and explosions work most likely 4 out of 5 (or more) of the fleet survived and since it took the entire rebel fleet to bring down The executor ssd the rest of the imperial fleet probably already damaged the rebels shields so after the explosion they would have easily moped up the rebel fleet
How to fight Rebel style with an ISD:
1.Get a ISD
2. Station your units out of sight, with CR-90s and X-wing and Y-wings watching the ISD. (Make sure ISD is alone and in plain sight)
3. Pretend to be Imperials and say you're under attack.
4. They send a ISD, 2 Aqrquitens class cruisers, and TIEs.
5. Get your Starfighters and CR-90s to attack. You've got 3 more Reflagged units.
If it weren't the fact that the imperial empire has no way of telling if a ship has been hijacked except for self destruct that plan would fail
Or just dismantle it somewhere out of sight and leave Empire guessing where it'll strike thus increasing protection of most valuable targets and stretching thin or outright removing forces from less valuable ones. Or use it akin to HMS Campbeltown.
TheArklyte So you suggesting something akin to loading the ship with all the explosive the Rebels could muster, and then ram it into whatever is causing the Rebels trouble? That seems like a good way to punch a huge hole into a Death Star.
@@TheArklyte that's always a good one. forcing the Empire to dump time, credits, and detachments to chasing an ISD that doesn't exist.
Fun fact: did you know that the New Republic acquired at Super Star Destroyer, it was called Lusankya
Yep: sad to say that is in the legends storyline: unless it got rebooted into canon at some point.
Would have liked to see it used more often, but running those SSD's is a logistical nightmare.
became legend, but at least, New Republic succeeded-or tried- hijacking Empire's ships, like as Battle of Jakku, or Battle of Coruscant(not Old Republic vs CIS, should be necessary after battle of endor), or somewhere.
Two, actually. The second was named the Guardian, also used during the Yuuzhan Vong war. The New Republic also had the Viscount-class Star Defender, which was a comparable ship of Mon Cal design.
Wampa Stompa1 yes but they had the resources and man power to use it and other dreadnaughts unlike the rebellion heck
@@thepbg8453 epic load of parts though. If you look even half of itd weapons and turned them into ground to space gear that portion of the planet would fuck imperial fleets for days.
Have the GR75'd jump away once the troops are deployed, at least. It's not as if they'd have any practical purpose once they deliver the strike teams in this battle.
A second option is having the troops eject from the freighters in spacesuits with thruster packs on them just as the rebel combat group jumps in. The GR75's could be installed with a remote control system and be used as guided missiles against the raiser and light cruiser to disable/destroy them without risking the Nebulon-7's or CR90's. The rebels could then quickly deploy their fighters to disable the ISD and the troops could manually fly into the ship as described in the video after the fighters bomb it.
James gross GR75s are equipped with 8 Turbolaser Cannons so they aren't completely useless.
I just thought the same and put it as a comment but its a perfect idea if losing too many ships its not an option, and it shouldnt be.
Have the crews of the GR75s jump with the commandos to serve as crew on the ISD. Pilot the vessels away remotely and then use them as ram vessels if necessary against the Imperial cruiser.
Or at least run in different directions, preventing the opponent from firing on all the rebel ships at the same time
I'm wondering if turning around is the best action for the ISD. Since space is a 3D environment would it be better to flip it over instead of turning around so if faces the rebels upside down relative to the other ships?
It's star wars we are talking about, where space is an ocean, and the spaceships are boats, so no.
Shame really, they could pull off come interesting manoeuvres like flipping one ISD and positioning another over it's underside so, provided you don't want to launch anything, you've got a whole lot of guns top and bottom. Plus no need to shield that section of the ships until the plucky rebel bomber makes a run between the two scratching the paint as they go.
Loquacious Lobster Lapidary I think that has to do with the artificial gravity they make being centred around the same point so if the ship rolls gravity doesn’t roll with it
@@thehunter4873
I imagine they could at least flip the gravitational flow, maybe arrange it so that it follows the ship's crew perspectives as it flips over? If they don't have this technology, couldn't they create it?
Riven Obyss maybe they could but who knows
Using the Faster Than Light tactics I see.
Standard procedure during hostile boarding action:
Evac crew to med bay and vent the rest of the ship to space. :p
I would just use my oxygen sucker troops and stick them in the room with the medbay and make the intruders go there so they are regenerating, fighting and making the others die from lack of oxygen
tu vv my space marines would not board with the intention to capture more just destroy as much as possible on board people and systems alike before they recall teleport back to the cruiser they just lunched from or if it’s a squad of Terminators they would just deep strike teleport straight into the heart of the ship and blow it up with a bomb if they were to capture they would just kill all the Crew by hand venting atmosphere would not work because all there armour is air sealed and has its own oxygen generation on board plus magnet boots to stop them from being vented into space
They ended up using an almost identical attack plan in Squadrons to capture a Star Destroyer for Project Starhawk
@Spacedock - What about just blowing the mane bridge? It makes the ISD think that the Rebels are trying to destroy the ISD for a longer time. The attacks on the rear could be missed on the engines. You could also take out several of the engine exhaust-port cones. The ship needs a Hyperdrive, not full sub-light for this to work.
Now, we have an ISD with no main bridge and several damaged engine exhaust-ports. (Jamming started imitatively at the start of the battle. The distress signal might not have gotten through, and the ships cannot talk to each other.) There is no ship captain - even if they are still alive, it will take time to get the the aux-bridge... The make to the aux-bridge and engine room. Then use the ISD's guns on the other Imperial ships.
I also think that Ion Cannons would work well. Yes, they bill blow fuses and trip breakers. ISDs should be designed to fix these issues quickly. A 'mission kill' ship does not mean a destroyed ship... Just because an Ion Cannon knocks out does no mean that the ship needs drydock to be fixed. We see this over Hoth. At least one of the SDs is hit with an Ion Cannon, yet within a half-hour they all jump out...
Great video! I would love to see more such battle plans! BTW I think reprogrammed Droidekas would be very useful in the corridors of a Star Destroyer.
Luca9108 ooooh i like that idea
+The Random Llama _
Thanks! Although I think it could be difficult to get them inside.
Why reprogram them? The only remaining droid commander is no enemy of the Alliance, all they'd need to do was ask for some help and make it worth the droids' while.
+ThePCguy17
You mean Kalani? I don't think he had any Droidekas left, just B1s that espcaped with him in the shuttle. So they only other options are to buy them on the black market or find some on an old battlefield.
Luca9108 Kalani could build more (If course he wouldn't be able to mass produce more Battle Droids or Droideka Units) But he could make a miniature Droid Factory using resources from a random asteroid field. All he would need at that point is time and a good hiding place from the Empire.
I call my version Confederacy II: Electric Bugaloo.
First: Ships, I'm not sure when they acquired it, but if it's available I'd replace the flagship with the Lucrehulk Battleship the rebels used in the failed attack on the Death Star. Either way, I'd add a Munificent frigate, and 2 more GR 75s. The frigate is there to help take down the escorts more quickly, and to help spread the Star Destroyer's fire. If available I'd also bring one of the frigates that were predecessors to the Imobilizer.
2nd: Prep work. I'd arrange for agents to infect off duty crew/stormtroopers with that debilitating intestinal bug that they used in one of the X-wing books. Also, if I could find a gadget to jam the local holonet, I'd be sure to bring it along to delay the distress call. I'd also arrange several small hit-and-run raids for just before the attack, so any response fleet would be as distant and spread out as possible. Honestly, if at all possible I would hit the SD while it was in a Deepdock, and try for a two-fer.
3rd: Troops. As many of my troops as possible would be equipped with vacuum rated armor. Also, the 2 extra GR 75s would be filled with clone wars era battle droids, as expendables to shield and assist my strike team. Also, the team would be liberally supplied with Astromechs.
4th: Combat. If I'm unable to acquire an interdiction vessel, then my capitol ship would be ordered to "flee" into a gravity well, so that the pursuing Star Destroyer couldn't escape. As soon as they've dropped their troops, the GR 75s would be ordered to micro jump to a location on the other side of my flagship.
One thing I would change with the plan , with the cruiser trap at the start , instead of it just being a huge bomb I think it should be used to sneak a group of rebel commandos onto the ISD disguised as stormtroopers , engineers , ect , and have them place smaller explosives around the ISD , then meet up and try to take the ship's self destruct , the rest of the plan is more or less the same , but now the main boarding party is split into three groups instead of four , and being boarded and potentially dealing with a lot of damage across the ship the ISD could be more distracted and take longer to join the fight completely giving the rebels some valuable time to het out of range
Instead of immediatly detonating giving enough time for the rebel imp defectos to get to medical or something before sealing that up and depriving anysirviving forces a strategic fallback.
In Star Wars a life scanning device does exist, but it's not a mind reading one. As long as all the saboteurs speak basic, this should be possible. Just remember that if you go this route, you aren't going to be able to vent the ship unless it's a suicide mission.
I one comic, they did it by bringing reactor in that destroyer at the brink of meltdown with torpedo hit, which caused imperials to evacuate, and then boarded the star destroyer,throwing the reactor out leaving it to explode because they couldn´t fix it. They ended up with very, VERY damaged ship with hyperdrive not working, and the rest of that story was covered in thick plot armor
These kinds of videos are amazing! Please do more battle plans like this, maybe how you'd tackle certain battles in cannon or any fan fiction battles you've devised?
It wasn't exactly a single proton warhead that went off in the rebel episode warhead. It would have been all the warheads in all the droids. We're looking at ten to twenty ish.
Would they not be better off with trying to capture the light Cruisers ?
StuntProductions2012 they have nearly no capacity for starfighters while he star destroyer could Cary about a hundred
StuntProductions2012 as he said, capping an isd is a terrible idea lol
Joey Kevorkian 72 to be exact.
StuntProductions2012 The light cruiser would probably be a better idea but the situation is that the rebels want a star destroyer
I doubt an ISD would be configured to carry rebel craft. Capturing a star destroyer has nearly 0 tactical benefit for the Rebel Alliance.
i feel like a modestly smart imperial captain would be somewhat able to use the legion of stormtroopers onboard the ship to just somewhat safeguard the 3 key positions against such an attack
Isn't it something like a cohort rather than an entire legion?
A typical Roman legion was 5,000 men which consisted of 10 cohorts. The typical ISD would hold something like 10,000 stormtroopers. So that would be 2 legions of those bastards. No way 180 commandos are fighting through that split into 3 groups of 60.
problem with Not Splitting is... Self Destruction as a Thing on an ISD like Spacedock said.... an Imperial Captain was not allowed to let his ship fall into Rebel Hands and he was instructed to use the Self Destruction if there is no other way... so.... if they manage too capture the first Key Location the Captain would just vent this Section of the Ship and ore trap them in till Troopers Arives, if they Manage to caputre two Locations he would do the same ore even consider Self Destruc at that point. and of the Rebels managed to Secure two points and are going for the bridge.... at this point the Captain would Certainly either already gave an Distress Call so that Imperial Ships are only a few Moments away(it woudl take at least like 2 Hours(probably more) to caputre the Aux bridge and Engine room) ore did have a big ammount of Troops near it, ore would give the Command to Self Destruct. they need to Capture all 3 Location preferably at the almost exact same Moment. if you controll the Main and Aux Bridge you can Vent the Ship, but without controll over the Engine room they would self Destruct the Ship before they would die. maybe DESTROYING the Main Bridge with Bombing Runs would be something to consider... even if it would somewhat compromise his Combat Ability(even if not much.... maybe even not at all) and just attack the Aux Bridge and Engine room
That was my thought. Couple hundred commandos, even killing 10 to 1 men, would be simply swamped in the 10k odd storm troopers around the place, who would all be moving towards the detected breach.
You are correct, the Hijack of the ISD is probably the biggest risk in this plan. However it would take a while for the majority of imperial troops to muster to the defense, given the shear size of the warship. Additionally the ISD is full of choke points and corridors which would allow the rebels to delay reinforcements as they secured their positions.
It all comes down to the timing. How long before the Captain realizes the threat of the boarding action, how long it takes for the storm troopers to respond, how long it takes for the rebels to secure the rooms, how long can the rebels delay before they are repulsed. Given that the Empire is characterized by nepotism, incompetence and infighting, it's a coin toss as to whether the Captain is as dumb as a brick, or somewhat intelligent.
So the Rebels have a chance...
This sounds like a fun objective style game for Star Wars Armada. Using the boarding party upgrade you could easily claim control after disabling shields on all sides of the Star Destroyer
Spacedock, this was the first video I've seen from your channel and I already like your work, keep it up!! :)
I love this idea of setting up a scenario for the rebels to capture an ISD. Do you think you could do more videos with this style? Like doing another scenario for the Separatists to capture a Republic Venator SD, as a means of explaining how the Separatists would get ahold of a Venator like in The Clone Wars episode, Point Of No Return.
So who else is coming back to this after capturing a Star Destroyer in Star Wars Squadron's campaign?
you should do more star wars battle plans
Hearing you discuss pure tactics has made me revisit some old strategy games I haven't played in the longest.
In Legends, the larges ships the early Rebel Alliance had were several Lucrehulk-class Battleships provided by Separatist holdouts that joined the Alliance. They were mainly used as carriers as they could transport hundreds of fighters in their large hangar bays.
The first step for me would be to figure out where a Star Destroyer is most vulnerable. That would be while at a spacedock during refit or normal maintenance. The crew and Stormtrooper numbers would be at it's lowest. Also, Imperial arrogance would view this as an impossibility, which based on experience is an asset. To increase the odds, recruiting and flipping the captain or similar senior officer would boost the odds. One of the rebels strengths is base infiltration. Arranging for a quarter or a third of the maintenance team to be rebels would be neccessary.
Remember still a Spacedock is going to hae massive defenses. Presuming it's not in a core system, it's still going to be at least two kilometers long (a Star Destroyer is 1.6), have thousands of personnel, defense emplacemetns, have multiple squadrons of TIES, probably a Golan Platform, and smal capital ships in the area. It's easier, but not a cakewalk either.
Don't the Imperial light cruisers or corvettes carry fighters?
lexington476 the Artiquiens can carry a couple fighters, but not enough to make a difference here.
They Carry two fighters that the A wings can dispatch easily
No.
The Raider would seem to carry 4 TIEs, but they couldn't do much, and the Light Cruiser didn't carry fighters as standard practice. (Since the ISD had 72 TIEs it would have no reason to)
I would say the raider corvette wouldn’t have a hanger even with its appearance in SWBII but I think a ship that belongs to a special forces group would have modifications, as for the light cruiser, they can carry like 3 fighters in the middle thing on the ship and the ISD could probably launch fighters through its secondary hanger
Once a target ISD is identified infiltration is key. Defectors who have made themselves known to the rebels but have not abandoned their posts are crucial. Executed correctly, the rebels may even be able to acquire more than one. Loss of life can be kept at a minimum too. Get a defector(s) who works in personnel to assign other defectors to one or more ISDs in positions that would make it easy for them to disable the majority of an ISDs systems (bridge/aux b/eng). If additional defectors are available assign them to the escort ships assigned to the ISDs. The possibility now exists to "acquire" them too (the escort ships). These teams, properly places will be able to take the ships by creating an "emergency" that forces evacuation of the ship. Them they simply take it. Even if that wasn't a possibility the pre-deployment of defectors would give any assault fleet a huge advantage: shutting done wpns, engs, escort ships, etc.
So now we have captured an ISD, what do we do with it?
Use it in a manner to play off your enemy. If the will send dozens of ISDs after the stolen one use this to your advantage. The Battle of Endor had around 3-4 dozen large Imp ships depending on your sources and this was considered one of the largest gatherings of ISDs ever. That tells me and any other strategically minded fellow that, in an attempt to put a strangle hold on the galaxy the Empire had over extended itself and assigned its 25k IDS too thinly across their controlled space instead of mobilizing them in quick reaction/defense forces. Pulling even a few dozen ISDs away from their normal patrols leaves this areas open for exploitation by the Rebellion. The Rebels wouldn't use an ISD for direct combat (unless the engagement was severely in their favor and exposing any stolen ISD(s) was worth the risk of the objectives). Instead I see them just using them as bait to pull other Imp ships out of position for the Rebels to exploit.
If their spy network was large enough to accomplish this then maybe on a small scale this would work. The main portion you are forgetting is that once one, or more, of their battleships go missing they would have to be hidden for months while crews are trained and battle plans are drawn. You sound like you would immediately want to turn their guns on the rest of the enemy. This is a marathon not a sprint. Move to early and you risk loosing everything you have gained.
It's been years since I read the old X-Wing books, so correct me if I'm wrong here, but I seem to remember Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron successfully capturing ISDs using the following "one-two punch" tactic:
Step 1: Attack from either the left or right side with a full squadron of X-Wings launching proton torpedoes, causing the ship's shields on that side to collapse
Step 2: Have another squadron exit hyperspace at precisely the right time and location to execute a second unexpected torpedo strike from the opposite side, focused directly on the ship's main bridge, just after the crew has adjusted the remaining shield power to cover the gap on first side having been attacked, leaving the opposite side unprotected
Step 3: watch the bridge explode while both squadrons retreat to safe range and wait for the remaining crew to realize they are now stranded and without leadership, and surrender
The biggest issue I can see would be the lack of time from distress signals. If you know who they would likely contact, you could infiltrate the base and reroute the distress call, or just attack/raid the base at the same time you are attacking the star destroyer, and bog down any possible help the Imperials could hope to get.
Also offer a few merc/bounty hunters the contract to help out in exchange for top gear and credits, and you can significantly improve the boarding team chances.
If they have any B-wings, they can shred the cruiser escorts quickly, saving ships and cutting down on casualties.
That’s all I got. Great video man!!!
For my strategy I would capture about 3 Gozanti transport ships, put as stormtrooper, officers and engineers dressed rebels in it and take down the ISD by "refreshing" parts of the old troops on board. Then I would slowly going to terminate some parts of the crew and replace them with rebel troops.
But I will describe you my plan in detail. So let's start with the arrival of the "refreshments" at the main hangar bay. At first I would sabotage the long range transmitter so that the ISD cannot call for aid. Also I would take the tracking device down. Then I would concentrate on the 3 sections necessary to capture one ship. First would be the main engineering. I would replace the workers up to the point when 80 percent of the workers are rebels and then eliminate the rest. For the auxiliary bridge I would use the same tactic. The main bridge is a much harder part due to the presence of the commanding officer, maybe an admiral. Now I would use a different way. I would take an imperial shuttle with Kanen and Ezra disguised as prisoners to the commanding officer on the bridge, seal it and would kill the bridge crew with some rebel-stormtroopers and the help of the jedi. The final act would be to finish the last imperials on board of and take the ISD to rebel command. In my opinion it's the easiest way to capture an ISD by infiltrating the vehicle.
And also I would like to know how to capture the Death Star. I know only the thought of that is insane but it would be nice to know.
What do you do when you arrive with your "refreshment" party and they say "Nope, you aint gonna get in because you are not standing on our shedule plans?"
Chris K My plan includes that they're on schedule. But if? Show them our fake orders signed by the regional gouverneur.
Risky... By the way you forgot to mention that thousands of Bothan Spies died in the process of getting those fake orders.
Chris K because this was an intel from Fulcrum.
What about a super star destryer or eclipse class.
Nice idea, and great video as always! A couple of thing though, this strategy assumes that the ISD would tractor in the Gozanti-class, but what if they don't go for the bait? If I was commanding an ISD and came across an empty damaged ship, I would probably send a squad of troopers in a Lambda shuttle (or something) to check it out first. Now I know Imperial commanders aren't always portrayed as the strongest critical thinkers (especially in Rebels), but the captain would have to be really stupid to just scoop up an unknown vessel without any investigation. If they don't go for the bait I don't think this battle could be won. Also, if even one or two of the ISD's turbolaser batteries opened up on the GR-75's during their approach I don't think they would even make it close enough to deploy their troops. Just my 2 cents, looking forward to more videos!
If you aren't going to deploy Home One anyway, why not reclass a captured ISD as Home Two? It's a huge mobile base with tons of room for starfighters, which as you stated are the Rebel's best form of offense. An ISD Home Two could be used very well for ranged hit and runs, using its main batteries to keep other scattered Imperial craft from retaking it, and occasionally itself providing a bombardment option against fortified raid targets.
In the off chance that a capture attempt actually succeeded, there are definitely plausible applications for its use.
I was glad to see you mention Lost Stars. That book is probably my favorite thing to come out of the new canon.
If I could watch videos like this every single day and never be tired. this is the content I hope to create soon
I felt like this would be a costly venture for the Rebellion. I would like to see more boarding related videos and styles and lore related stuff
Little do the Rebels know that Darth Vader is aboard that ship.
Please do a video like this about what would happen if the rebels had the death star, and how the imperials would destroy it. [Note: remember that the imperials dont know about the exauhst port.👌
If Palpatine was desperate they could ram a few executor class dreadnaughts in it......or Vader and good old Palps could use the so called "Power of the Dark side" ;)
Darth vader would be sent, burn a whole through the side with the 501st, and slowly cut his way through the million rebels to capture the station. The empire would have no need to protect a planet in the same way for the urgency to matter.
TIEs that are in use at rebels time period don't have missiles or torpedoes the bombers do though but their too slow to dodge that many AAguns the TIE-I wasn't designed till around the time of the battle of hoth
They would blow it up with the other Death Star
Joseph Emerson Interesting Idea
Why not have the transports jump into hyperspace immediately after deploying the commandos? They are basically useless at this point. It's not like they could extract survivors if the boarding action failed.
my thoughts precisely
Well, if they were piloted by droids, then a kamikaze attack on the Arquitens would probably help.
I really love this plan. It could come in handy if the rebels needed a bit disposable fire power or something they can trade in for a bigger target, or even for a defensive mission. Even if the SD doesn't fit into the rebels "normal" plans, it could really be good for something specific.
I really like this plan, and adding Rex was a nice touch.
Legends solution:
Get one of Bail Organa's lend-lease Lucrehulks, fill the hangar bay with a hundred pre-war LAATs each one loaded with a squad of Alderaanian marine volunteers. Have a Viscount at hand to elimimate the escort ships or else use the Viscount to send out more LAATs to secure the escort ships. Congratulations, you just captured an entire Imperial Patrol Fleet with 2 capital ships and a bit of House Organa political schwing
You do realize that Alderaan doesn't have an organized military, right?
Also, the rebels didn’t have a viscount until 27 years after the timeframe of this video, and the single lucrehulk the rebels had was in other duties. Do some damn research
@@erynncollier8672 in the old expanded universe lots of Alderaanians joined the rebellion after destruction of their planet. They seemed to have a grudge against the Empire.
@@Alpha_Digamma Yes they did. I'm not sure how that's relevant to OP's post though. Alderaan doesn't have any trained soldiers to operate warships, LAAt/i dropships, or to fill the role of marines. The planet in question simply lacks the experts in the field to field the units mentioned.
@@erynncollier8672 you seem to be assuming the rebel alliance consisted of miliary experts mainly. Why?
Aside from that basic US marine training takes 13 weeks. So why shouldn't alderaanian civilians get trained equally fast by some other rebels or hired mercs?
Nevermind ISDs. Go capture some Venators. There's no way all of them got scrapped, and the ones who hold them are either local system lords allied to the Empire or rear eschalon units disfavored by the Admiralty. Either way, those are (a) easier to get than an ISD and (b) far better suited to the Rebellion's style of space warfare.
Like Home One, a Rebel-held Venator is best used as a mobile operations base; not deployed to battle, but close to the objective location to easily make its fighters able to jump over and back with ease. It can do all that the Quasar-class can do, and it's got far superior firepower. When it must be deployed into the line of battle, it can do so competently, but (like the ISD) it needs ships to escort it to be used to best effect in a fleet action.
Ah the venator, what a ship
If one stole a Venrator it would need a lot of time and resources to make it spaceworthy, reinstall/reactivate the weapon systems, then to get the main reactor and fuel for same back online.
Such time and resources are better used elsewhere.
To take an ISD you'd have find a way to kill the crew near instantly, silently and in one fell swoop
An ISD wouldn't require refitting make it spaceworthy, it already is weapon and defensive systems still online, main reactor fueled and online.
Another way to capture an ISD is pulling a "Hunt for Red October" type scenario, ie: The captain and most of the senior officers defect and they get the crew off the ship in such a way that the crew doesn't even suspect a defection.
You'd also have to weed out and eliminate any imperial intelligence agents and/or the imperial
equivalent of a political officer, Emperor's Hands and the like.
Such people will either report back to the Emperor and/Vader who in turn sent a small fleet to retake the ISD or destroy it if retaking the ship is not feasible or not possible
I feel like the squadrons developers watched this video 🤔
I love that all of this is true and was only justifiable in real SW Canon after the Alliance became the New Republic.
It's like someone saw this video and said: "yeah, this would work for the creation of the Starhawk".
The fact that the general points of this strategy became cannon in Star Wars Squadrons is awesome
Capturing a executor or eclipse
Capturing the Eclipse worked pretty easily in Forces of Corruption...granted it was still in construction, but big enough XD
FatBoySlim458 the rebels did capture a Executor class SSD as I do recall. The ship's name was The Lusankya, it perished while battling the Vong.
Nah. The ship the rebellion _really_ needs to try capturing is an Interdictor. The amount of guerilla shenanigans you can get up to with one of those is off the charts.
Nah, it surrendered after a fair fight, it did not really get seized in the way we are talking about here.
Capturing an ISD is suicide enough. Attempting to capture or even board an Executor or an Eclipse is simply autistic...
Hold up. The reactor exploding could destroy the isd? That means they would never let any ship with a reactor large enough to do that anywhere near them.. A boarding squad would be sent and a towing ship called in.
A reactor exploding inside the ISD will shred it to bits but if it were outside it wouldn't cause very significant damage to the hull and deflector shield combo.
@@BoostedMonkey05 the inside should be armored and shielded in case of a bomb going of in the launch bay's due to technical failure...
@@nareik8017 yeah but it's not gonna be as strong as the hull though
How much time this video took you to make
You only need three people, one droid, and a Jedi.
In Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX "Duel of the Fates" draft script, Poe, Finn, Rose, BB-8, and Rey steal an Eclipse-class dreadnought straight out of the Kuat shipyard. And then the Resistance uses it as a mobile base.
With Rogue One as an inspiration, I have an alternative suggestion: Ion Torpedoes. If you have the decoy ship loaded with torpedoes for its self-destruct, and have a hidden wing of Y-Wings also loaded with Ion Torpedoes, in theory, once the ISD attempts to tractor in the ship, the Y-Wings could slip away unnoticed at the last moment (after all, the Millenium Falcon, AND the escape pod from the Tantive IV successfully fled the sensors of an ISD at point blank range without immediate detection), and launch their own torpedoes at the escorts as part of a surprise attack. If the attack goes to plan, all three ships would be completely disabled, unable to make a distress call, then the Rebels can simply swoop in, do the boarding action(s) (if they want to also steal the escorts), fix it, and leave. By disabling the ability to both self-destruct, and to make a distress call, it would buy tons of time to hotfix the ship(s) for departure. It would also give them full squadrons of TIE Fighters, TIE Bombers, and/or TIE Interceptors to add to their force.
Also consider that the Rebels are known to reprogram Imperial droids; if they made some sort of virus, they could turn the ship's entire droid force against their former owners, dramatically improving the odds for the boarding party (assuming that the Ion Torpedoes don't also kill the droids on board).
could be easier.
1. take a Scimitar Dreadnought
2. Cloak & Load Tachyon Weapon
3. Uncloak and fire Tachyon Weapon
4. ISD Crew is now dead and can safetly be boarded ;)
It's thalaron not tachyon
wrong weapon name but still seeing Shin - zon's Reman warbird vs an ISD would be interesting if not very one sided
The enhanced cloak is the game changer as well as the Scorpions
yeah no doubt, I ind it unlikely that the Scorpions would be needed though, even if the Remans didn't use the Thaleron weapon to exterminate all organics aboard the ISD thy could just make a few passes firing their disrupters and torpedoes until the ISD is crippled. the Imperials would't know what hit them or have a chance to launch fighters they'd be gone before they knew they were under attack
To quote Private Hudson- "Game over man, game over"
Seems to me like you could have just filled the first ship with troops and let them be tractored into the ship. After that, you could still pull off your first plan of attack as backup. Invading the ship from both ends.
Attacking from inside the hangar is a death sentence. ISD’s have almost 10,000 troops and 40,000 crew between the hangar and the bridge.
Can I use your plan in a fanfic, it is a great plan (even if the rebels would never do it)
P.S. Wouldn't it just be the rebels luck if the ISD they tried to capture was the Chimaera.
Assuming Thrawn may be on it? If he is, the Rebels are absolutely *fucked.*
@@BlueRaven893 The first question that would pass through Thrawn's head when he received the Gozanti's distress call would be, "What is the objective of those responsible for the vessel's reappearance?"
It would be followed closely by, "They're obviously counting on a response to the ship's distress call, so whatever their plan is they're expecting to be springing an ambush. They're also unlikely to possess the firepower to confront an Imperial Star Destroyer head on, so an element of their plan no doubt involves an attempt to cripple this vessel. That Gozanti Cruiser is definitely the bait, but it could also be the vehicle for the attempt to disable this vessel."
The thought process would likely then proceed further along the lines of "How could a Gozanti cruiser be used to disable an Imperial Star Destroyer? The only way it could cause any damage at all would be from within the main hangar, beneath the vessel's shields. Ah., They want me to take the vessel aboard. They're counting on chaos or damage caused in the main hangar to disable the ship's ability to launch and recover starfighters. This tells me that the enemy attack will be composed primarily of starfighters. This means that there is either an enemy carrier or fixed base somewhere very close to the Gozanti cruiser's location. In order for the rebels to arrive at the location in question within a reasonable time frame, the length of their hyperspace jump will be very short indeed. This narrows down their possible hiding places dramatically. They'll also need to have deployed a forward element either aboard or in a position to observe the Gozanti cruiser in order to contact their forces when the trap is to be sprung. The best position they could arrive in in order to engage my vessel would be below and behind it. This information provides me the likely approach vector of the rebel forces, further narrowing down their possible hiding places."
Thrawn then consults his star charts.
"I see there are no stellar bodies within that arc close enough for enemy forces to be stationed on. We're dealing with a carrier for sure then. In order to achieve victory in this engagement, I'll need to turn the situation around on the enemy and ambush their carrier, preferably with the Chimera. Since I already know where the enemy is likely to appear, I'll need to position the Chimera behind their formation while simultaneously convincing them that my Star Destroyer is already present and that it has just been disabled."
Thrawn then turns to a junior officer and orders the launch of one or more probe droids to monitor comms traffic in the system. He then uses multiple intercepted transmissions to triangulate the rebel forward observer's position. The forward observer is then killed by Storm Commandos. The Gozanti is then quickly boarded and the bombs are disarmed. Thrawn then rigs one of his assault shuttles to use its tractor beam to catapult the Gozanti cruiser ahead at high speed. Thrawn positions an assault shuttle behind the Gozanti cruiser, using the vessel to hide its presence. He launches his entire complement of starfighters and positions the bombers on the flanks of the expected rebel arrival area. He positions the Chimera behind the expected rebel arrival position, and his two support ships smack in the middle of the expected arrival zone of the enemy fleet.
The storm commandos then duplicate the alliance code observed by the probe droid(s) and or divulged by the alliance forward observer prior to execution, and send a message indicating that the Gozanti has been taken aboard the Star Destroyer. The rebel fleet jumps in and is immediately set upon by two corvettes smack in the middle of their formation causing absolute chaos and mowing down starfighters left and right They also cause a breakdown in rebel communication by employing full spectrum jamming to prevent the rebels from sending messages to each other. The Assault shuttle flings the Gozanti at one of the nebulon B cruisers while a droid on board keeps it on target via the use of maneuvering thrusters. The Gozanti then collides with the Nebulon B at high speed and detonates, the explosives the rebels had intended to use against Thrawn taking down one of their own ships instead.
Half of the Tie Fighters then move in and engage the rebel starfighters, assisting in the wholesale slaughter of said rebel fighters at the hands of the corvettes. The tie bombers then sweep in from the flanks and disable the rebel ships' engines While the Chimera brings its big guns to bear from behind its fighter screen, assisting in disabling the rebel flotila. The Assault shuttle heads for the Quasar Class to begin a boarding action, while additional assault shuttles launch from the hangars of the Chimera to board and capture each rebel ship as it becomes disabled.
The battle goes completely tits up for the rebellion because they can't communicate in order to respond to an unforseen ambush, while Thrawn's forces competently execute a known battle plan to near perfection.
To save the GR-75s from destruction, they could "dive" at a 90° angle to the ISD and perform a micro-jump to get out of range.
This is exactly what Vanguard Squadron ends up doing in the recently released Star Wars Squadrons Video Game. Kudos on thinking this up several years before it shows up in cannon
It was done like this in a book years before this video too.
How to Capture a Star Destroyer?
DEPLOY CHUCK NORRIS!!!
Rebels use Chuck Norris!
It's super effective!
You want it captured - not in pieces accros all galaxy
The 00's called. They want their joke back.
Tim Ford Chuck Norris once pointed at an isd , then it exploded.
Put him inside the gozanti and forget the rest of the rebels
This is the one squadrons stole?
What about just hacking into the computers and immediately disabling the self destruct, and weapons, as well as venting everyone out of the ship? This is of course assuming they can get access to the main computer system.
right? Literally just bring an R2 unit, seeing as they can apperently just control fucking anything.
@@joestevenson5568 r2 op
Better to do it as a commando exclusive mission when it was in drydock for repairs with minimal crew. Like the attempt to steal Razor's Kiss. But as for stealing one in operation... This is probably the cleanest plan you can get
Would love to see more videos like this, maybe something on how the CIS could raid Coruscant as (so far as I'm aware) we don't yet have an explanation in the new canon of how they kidnapped the chancellor
Ion torpedoes! Seriously, they have been shown to be excessively effective against an isd. Also, if you use them in the initial strike the ship would not, in theory, be able to call for help. That would leave the isd drifting while the insertion takes place. This means that the rebel ships could focus on taking out the other two imperial ships before the insertion teams even get to their targets. This gives the rebel ships the ability to focus their assault and pull off this mission with far fewer casualties than you propose.
Blasting an ISD with ion torpedoes would just disable it, and although the rebel alliance is basically magic, I don't think 180 commandos have the ability to un-disable a disabled star destroyer
@@jrobilliard6499 With just a little preparation it is easy. If you need a larger ship to give it 'a boost' just have it on stand-bye. Besides, half the ship would have spaced half of the crew sue to all the force fields coming down. This gives the insertion team an easier time. Plus if you jam communications when you first arrive you could have days to take the ship and get it running again. Like I said before, this is far easier than people want to admit.
The Covenant want to board a death star and capture it.
I can just picture the Sangheili cutting up stormtroopers with energy swords.
StadtplanDan Same lol
It really depends what they want to bring with them to capture it.
Meine Reich will assist in whatever capacity necessary.
Right...
Star Wars squadrons anyone?
Great video and I love how you summed up the objective as a terrible idea before you got into the video.
I have two ideas that might offer better casualty rates for rebel forces and both rely on covert actions.
Plan A: get your Bothan spies to find a lone star destroyer that makes regular trips to a outer planet or is scheduled to arrive somewhere then assemble a Ion cannon similer to that on Hoth or if that isn't feasible send Y wings to the location to land on an asteroid in a asteroid field or be adrift to make them less detectable by the ISD then when the Star Destroyer arrives simply activate them in a surprise attack then disable the ISD with Ion Bombs seen in the film Rouge One and then send in your boarding force like you mentioned in the video to capture and clear the ship. At the point when the Y wings engage the ISD the rebel fleet would arrive and defeat any escorts. So long as you jam imperial communications they won't be able to send any distress signals and your boarding force would have a little bit of time to restart the engines.
Plan B; using your Bothan spies get all the documentation in place to plant rebel forces acting as imperial crew on board a ISD in the Fondor ship yard. Get your undercover soldiers to be in a position to secure both bridges and engineering and ready to cut all life support to other areas or fill those areas with sleeping gas. Once everything is ready send in a sizeable rebel battlefleet to attack the shipyard. Then the ISD will be launched if not under actual imperial orders then the secret rebels will get the ship underway. Once the ISD is away then get the rebel fleet to run and disperse and have the ISD jump to lightspeed. By the time the imperial crew realise they have rebels onboard they should be suffocating to death or falling asleep.
Alternatively just try to acquire a Venator class that's for sale or is mothballed.
Started playing Squadrons and that one mission instantly made me think of this video.
Use the doors luke.
xD I know that reference!
Rebel propaganda!!! A Imperial star destroyer could never fall under some snub fighters and hardly trained commandos!!
Christina Wong Fuck The Rebellion!!!!!!
A single group of three Y-wings crippled an ISD during the battle of Scariff, and a single Hammerhead Corvette decapitated a second ISD using the first, destroying the Planetary Shield Generator in the process.
I was being sarcastic but whatever.
Well, the Eleemosynary lasted 6 hours against the whole Alliance Fleet at Endor before being ion torpedoed, leading to the capture of Grand Admiral Osvald Teshik.
Must have been a Deuce.... Impstar IIs are tough.
One problem that discredits your entire battle plan. There is no way in hell the cpt of that Star Destroyer would take a ship disabled by the enemy aboard without investigating first. Very few trained Commanders would fall for something like that.
Your scenario is massively flawed based upon what we know of established canon. The rebels would fail this mission simply because the Imperials would see the deseption, blow up the ship and send a fake distress signal and lure the rebels in before tearing them to shreds.
I hate when people automatically assume the imperials are fucking morons with no military xp that fall for obvious ambushes.
Well, the Imperials have done stupider things.
Characters have done all sorts of things when the plot demands it.
Hey that video plan has a likely chance to work
This is by far the weakest part, but imperials have made some dumber calls than this. It may be possible to have the ship bounce a signal to fake a few crew members. Then the rest of the plan should be possible.
I think you overestimate the intelligence and competence of the Imperials.
These are the same people who lost one death star, and then decided to build another. And who lost to a bunch of living teddy bears with rocks.
I like your plan. It has the virtues of decisive actions specified and clear objectives defined. I offer two improvements: # 1: Destroy the main bridge and control the ships maneuvers from main engineering. This reduces the needed capture points by one thereby improving capture odds by 1/3. Repairing the bridge is an acceptable cost given the reduction of risk to the mission, not to mention personnel on the mission. # 2: Fly the transport ships directly away from the insertion area after troop deployment. It does separate them from the battle force but that is the whole point. They simply fly back to rebel space after insertion because the boarding parties no longer need them and this reduces both casualties and ship losses even further making the whole plan more cost effective to consider repeating (provided such an opportunity is available a second time of course).
Taking ships such as the _Ghost_ and the _Phantom_ into consideration, I think it'd be best to send an experienced strike team in the _Ghost_ and/or any available U-Wings modified with similar tech. Lead by Captain Rex, as you suggest, and perhaps a couple former Jedi if they have any.
Go in through the same route you suggested, and have all transport ships immediately pull out, either to a minimum safe distance on sublight or to the other side of any planets via hyperspace. That way they could at least attempt a pick-up if the need arose.
From there, if things went according to plan, the Rebels could take over, blast the escorts, and jump out.
What a series! 10/10
This became a very interesting mission in Star Wars: Squadrons.
Why the hell have i taken so long to find your content? This is awesome.
I actually read a novel where a star destroyer was captured... hey wait a minute I think I've read multiple novels on this topic. Only one I can remember being successful , and that was because the captain turned getting other's involved. The other was a disease got on-board and it wasn't a good idea to capture the ship , but to escape the zombie plague.
I love the heck out of space battles !!