Zach and Keith Partied with Billy Joel - The Try Pod Ep. 255

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  • Опубликовано: 3 апр 2024
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Комментарии • 144

  • @aliselynch
    @aliselynch Месяц назад +233

    I cannot stress enough, the foil that Miles and Rainie are to Zach and Keith is just magical chemistry. I laugh so much just listening to your conversations. It's so much funnier than the older eps I've watched with the original guys.

  • @enjoyabel89
    @enjoyabel89 Месяц назад +201

    This is proof that Keith has never lost his marbles, because he knows EXACTLY where they are... in his nightstand. 😂

  • @awshucks79
    @awshucks79 Месяц назад +60

    Rainie's "It's interesting that we have an aquarium with the fish but the fish don't have an aquarium with us" is the funniest thing I've heard in awhile 😆

    • @elliottsalibi
      @elliottsalibi Месяц назад +4

      technically aren’t the aquarium visitors the fishes human aquarium?

  • @connerolmedo888
    @connerolmedo888 Месяц назад +57

    Somebody PLEASE draw a stingray running a boba shop

  • @TaylorBrown419
    @TaylorBrown419 Месяц назад +87

    When are we revisiting the PowerPoint presentations?? 🥺

    • @stephaniealderete6888
      @stephaniealderete6888 Месяц назад +6

      PLEASE

    • @Olivia18ily
      @Olivia18ily Месяц назад +4

      Right??? Did we ever see Rainee’s second one?? 😢 idr!!

    • @thahighestgiggler
      @thahighestgiggler Месяц назад +3

      Yes we need more power points!!!!!

    • @hp6964
      @hp6964 Месяц назад +1

      Yesss one of my favorite pods lol

  • @palindromegrace
    @palindromegrace Месяц назад +31

    Miles organizing junk drawers as his relaxation method: peak Virgo behavior and we love to see it

  • @lizap9237
    @lizap9237 Месяц назад +73

    Zach, I've done the pills in pockets every day for years now. My dog got a hold of one and had to be hospitalized overnight and it cost me $1,800. Now what I do is keep one of the old prescription bottles and split them up so I have some at work waiting for me.

  • @palindromegrace
    @palindromegrace Месяц назад +32

    Also started to notice I’ve incorporated Miles’ “it’s GOTTA BE the X” when making decisions. I was picking out a kombucha in target recently and I heard myself say out loud, to no one in particular, “it’s ✨gotta be✨ the berry lemonade!”

    • @EllieBowow-jk6yw
      @EllieBowow-jk6yw Месяц назад +4

      This is so real, it’s gotta be berry kombucha

  • @StargazerApril
    @StargazerApril Месяц назад +36

    My boyfriend and I searched for his wallet for days. It was driving us crazy. Then we get notified from Amazon saying that his wallet was in a return he made. They sent it back to us for free and everything was there. We were shocked.

  • @jazminenovela5325
    @jazminenovela5325 Месяц назад +24

    Vlog idea: Keith & Zach actually call Miles for advice. Over a week, he helps them make food choices, solves their relationship troubles, sex tips, etc.

    • @aliselynch
      @aliselynch Месяц назад +2

      You know he'd have them in the bath with fancy coffee every day

    • @gabrielafuller2492
      @gabrielafuller2492 Месяц назад

      Literally miles pod perfect person ft try guys

  • @bekahfrog
    @bekahfrog Месяц назад +27

    Keith thank you for talking about the dairy pill 3 pill scam. This has been weighing on me for years

  • @ednasierra1083
    @ednasierra1083 Месяц назад +39

    Just love how casual the trypod is.

  • @the.jamie.turner
    @the.jamie.turner Месяц назад +65

    20:55 - This is the eternal struggle for chronic pain sufferers. Especially conditions like AS (Zach’s) and fibromyalgia (mine) where not enough activity causes pain but also too much activity causes pain, so it’s just a constant game of figuring out whether your body is saying “do less” or “do more.”

    • @naxp42
      @naxp42 Месяц назад +3

      Fellow fibro person here. The worst is when you're fatigued from having done too much the day before so you don't do anything, but then not doing anything flares you up more. 🥲

    • @the.jamie.turner
      @the.jamie.turner Месяц назад

      @@naxp42 Yep! One of my current strategies is to just start with very light activity like getting up from the couch and getting a drink or washing a few dishes, then check in to see if I feel better or worse, but it’s still always a gamble.

    • @barmhjertige1
      @barmhjertige1 Месяц назад

      100%! From a fellow fibro gal.

    • @emmasmith5719
      @emmasmith5719 Месяц назад +1

      Also a fellow fibro girlie - sending you all gentle hugs! We are so strong!

  • @oliviamay9247
    @oliviamay9247 Месяц назад +28

    The way I wasn’t ready for the life talk from Zach. I know he’s talking about chronic pain but even looking at it from a mental health point of view made my brain really think.

    • @steljenx
      @steljenx Месяц назад

      yes! hearing them talk about it made me realize i feel the same, as someone with depression and anxiety. it's a really good analogy. i'd probably start using it to give myself more mercy on days i feel debilitated.

  • @HaleyAlton211
    @HaleyAlton211 Месяц назад +77

    Every person in the room makes the dynamic what it is- and it is perfectly hilarious ✨

  • @heydirle
    @heydirle Месяц назад +9

    Rainie’s video edit of the Miles Nation Theme = chefs kiss

  • @barmhjertige1
    @barmhjertige1 Месяц назад +9

    Thank you Zach for talking about the spoon theory! Christine Miserandino created the metaphor. Spoons basically equal a unit of energy. Healthy people usually have an unlimited amount. «Spoonies» as we sometimes call ourselves have a certain amount. Some days we have more, some days we have less. Different tasks use up different amount of spoons.
    Quote from an article «Let’s say you have 12 spoons, which is the amount Christine used to illustrate the theory. In an average day, you might want to:
    Wake up
    Brush your teeth
    Wash your face
    Get dressed
    Eat breakfast
    Go to the doctors
    Come home
    Make and eat dinner
    Change into your pyjamas
    Right away, this comes to 9 activities. Some of these tasks, like brushing your teeth, may only use up 1 spoon, while going to the doctors has a number of stages and could use up 6 spoons.
    This only leaves you with 5 spoons for everything else… and there’s no way you can make 5 spoons stretch that far.
    So what are your options if you need to get everything done with only a small amount of spoons?
    You can opt to ‘borrow’ spoons from the next day’s allowance. However, this means you start the next day in deficit. Imagine trying to get all those tasks done with an even smaller number of spoons!
    It’s easy to get trapped in a cycle of overdoing it and exhausting yourself, due to not managing your spoons well enough.»
    I really appreciate you guys talking about this, as someone who has invisible illnesses as well.

  • @sarahlagos3269
    @sarahlagos3269 Месяц назад +14

    Pod at the aquarium next??

  • @kwamerogers739
    @kwamerogers739 Месяц назад +7

    "I feel bad for the piano" Reaine is a gem

  • @lucisna
    @lucisna Месяц назад +3

    the way i cackled when Miles said "banana" 😂

  • @cc24681
    @cc24681 Месяц назад +7

    2:00 sharks, rays, and skates are members of class chondrichthyes which means cartilaginous fish. their cartilaginous skeletons are one distinctive factor separating them from boney fish. their scales are another, bc they have placoid scales. their scales are still dermal in origin like all fish, but only chondrichthyes have placoid scale shapes. that’s why these fish don’t look like they have scales.

  • @bmwchickk
    @bmwchickk Месяц назад +2

    As someone who is pretty newly diagnosed with an array of invisible disabilities/illnesses, Zach is such awesome representation. I have definitely found that pacing myself/using my wheelchair even when I feel ok to conserve energy has helped immensely. Honestly, hearing about how Zach handles his chronic illness makes me feel so much less alone. Thank you

  • @alexandraertz1238
    @alexandraertz1238 Месяц назад +9

    What do they eat?Boba.
    Amazing instant response.

  • @madiwolff5187
    @madiwolff5187 Месяц назад +10

    Hearing Zach talk about the spoon theory just makes me want to sob as a person who is also in chronic pain. Grateful for Zach and Kelsey for making me feel less alone ❤️

  • @nikkirhombus0fterror615
    @nikkirhombus0fterror615 Месяц назад +3

    Taking about chronic pain is so needed 22:55 ❤ thank you guys

  • @baileigh_davault
    @baileigh_davault Месяц назад +5

    I completely understand the not enough activity versus too much activity with my chronic illness of juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. Along with the good days with having it as bad as I do and the bad days that come with it too. Sometimes movement and medicine helps but sometimes nothing will. Been dealing with my rheumatoid arthritis for damn near 22 years now. I was diagnosed at 6 and am 27. I pretty much know by now what I can and can't do with my rheumatoid arthritis on my really bad days with the pain level.

  • @Therealwojo
    @Therealwojo Месяц назад +9

    TMI, I have IBS and at Walmart they sell an off-brand imodium that is 12 tabs for $1.08 (which is a good price and they work the same as imodium). BUT the reason it's so inexpensive, is because you HAVE to have scissors to get the tabs out. Which, I would debate with Keith is wayyyyy worse than the lactaid drama. When you are on the verge of soiling what you're wearing, because you ate a bell pepper and you have to have scissors to open the anti-poo poo medicine...? It's fucked. 🤣

    • @victreebel170
      @victreebel170 Месяц назад

      The name brand Imodium is packaged like that too. It's because the pills dissolve so quickly that if you pushed them through they'd break. Dunno why they're like that, but yeah, super annoying!

  • @Yelliegibs
    @Yelliegibs Месяц назад +1

    Siblings, cousins, coworks. Best organization strategy! Put items with identical items (pens with pens), put items with simular but different (pens with markers) or items that have the same function family (pens with scissors)
    This has helped me so much 😅😅

  • @chelseatrujillo466
    @chelseatrujillo466 Месяц назад

    the clip compilation for the intro to miles advice gets me every time, this one was especially hilarious

  • @breannaemmett49
    @breannaemmett49 Месяц назад +2

    Aahhh yes Zach was the person who taught me about spoon theory! We use it at home to explain my boyfriend’s ADHD brain vs mine. Thank you so much for this language!

  • @stephearley3141
    @stephearley3141 Месяц назад +17

    As a retail worker I HATE that they have the price per Oz because customers would always be getting confused and thinking the retail price was the price per Oz and they'd always be leaving stuff behind because of that

  • @wonderwallxbabe
    @wonderwallxbabe Месяц назад +5

    Your mouth starts the digestion process through salivary amylase, an enzyme that chemically breaks down food when you're chewing. That's why it's suggested that you chew more, because you're missing that first step if you don't!

  • @alexandraertz1238
    @alexandraertz1238 Месяц назад +4

    I was NOT prepared for the official TryPod theme song 💀

  • @nancythomas5387
    @nancythomas5387 Месяц назад +5

    Chewing more also allows more digestive enzymes to help break down the food. The reason steak, or any protein, doesn't break down as well in your mouth, is that the enzyme for protein is in your stomach. Avoid taking large bites of meat, and chew it so your teeth can break it into smaller pieces. Cuts down the bloat, indigestion, and the possibility of choking.

  • @CottonCandySharks
    @CottonCandySharks Месяц назад +2

    Thank you for talking about your chronic pain and the spoon theory! Everything you said is super true and very comforting for me, to see that there are others out there who need to juggle the immense task of staying alive and well! Able people don't often realize how difficult it is to exist.

  • @CanyonClayCreative
    @CanyonClayCreative Месяц назад +1

    lovee that Zach talks about being a Spoonie

  • @rebeccabehrens4472
    @rebeccabehrens4472 29 дней назад

    The conversation for the first 15 minutes was hilarious and my favorite type of conversation lol. You guys are so freaking funny.

  • @ambermanke757
    @ambermanke757 Месяц назад +5

    Great group gasp, everyone. Well done.

  • @kuzmanator
    @kuzmanator Месяц назад +3

    Miles not knowing that Tony Hawk's signature is called the 900 is giving me Millennial Agita

  • @sinhoney4793
    @sinhoney4793 Месяц назад +1

    this was a great podcast! loved the laid back energy. everyone seems happy n just chilling and excited for the future! love yall try buddies❤

  • @GeorgiannaMiller5
    @GeorgiannaMiller5 Месяц назад +3

    I described my chronic illness as a permanent debuff to my stamina regen

    • @CottonCandySharks
      @CottonCandySharks Месяц назад

      Honestly brilliant! I'm going to describe it that way now too :D

  • @ek6813
    @ek6813 Месяц назад

    I was always confused about the spoons thing. Zach, you explained it so much better than what I have seen before. I didn’t even know it was a theory! This helps me a lot with my own autoimmune disease and neurodivergence.

  • @spiercephotography
    @spiercephotography Месяц назад +3

    re: Rainie and her question about Chronic Pain. Eventually after time you learn your limits, and learn what self care things really work for you. So I work myself to close to the limit, then I automatically build in some rest. It's all about learning your limits and rolling with things when your body changes. Like Zach said, the mental cloudiness is a flag too. I play the NYTimes games every morning to gauge where I am. All we can do is keep moving though, don't stop moving, because as soon as you stop you're in trouble. Even if it's moving from room to room once in a while!

    • @tawnyew
      @tawnyew Месяц назад +1

      I don't have chronic pain but I do a similar approach with my adhd. If I have very busy days or a holiday I'll try to space out time after to recoup

  • @ellieh5440
    @ellieh5440 Месяц назад +1

    in albany western australia there is an aqaurim under the really long jetty, the fish can see in too right so its kinda like an aquarium to them as well

  • @lorensolomon1419
    @lorensolomon1419 Месяц назад +5

    Miles Virgo showing with the junk cleaning method

  • @gingerican_8312
    @gingerican_8312 Месяц назад

    I need to stop listening to this at work - my shoulders were visibly shaking from how much I was cracking up. Great episode! 🤣😂

  • @alexandraertz1238
    @alexandraertz1238 Месяц назад +1

    Vitamin before bed is good for the absorption and can help reduce stomach upset because you are more likely to have at least a little food in your stomach. And for me, it’s easier to remember than in the morning.

  • @irenedevisser5816
    @irenedevisser5816 Месяц назад +1

    The chronic pain/neurodivergent crossover is real. Its a low spoon day for me but kids be kids and need things so watching this is my self care today.....love that Zach shares his experiences and makes invisible illness and invisible disabilities less taboo to talk about.

  • @OhItsJustAspen
    @OhItsJustAspen Месяц назад +1

    I'd like to submit "Besos for Bezos" as a T-Shirt suggestion.

  • @irenedevisser5816
    @irenedevisser5816 Месяц назад

    Keiths draw sounds like my sons....random treasures, magnets, lego, rocks, random drawings, the collection of spoons were missing.... 😂

  • @sonkien3
    @sonkien3 Месяц назад +3

    Except for grocery stores mix it up and list price per ounce, price per pound and price per individual item (like 80 cents a coke can from a pack) so that they can throw you off.

  • @Daninuggets
    @Daninuggets Месяц назад

    The best transition slide show 💥

  • @gingerican_8312
    @gingerican_8312 Месяц назад +1

    Dude - Florence Pugh is an amazing cook and she seems chill AF. Plus she has some amazing friends - so - yeah. I think she’d be a shoo-in.

  • @thriftstorejunkee
    @thriftstorejunkee Месяц назад

    I can’t find the trypod episode but I wanted to thank Keith for recommending Dadi Freyr a couple of years ago. I became an instant fan and got to see him in San Francisco last week! 😊

  • @lunarmonkie5961
    @lunarmonkie5961 Месяц назад

    Great seeing you guys. Remember to hydrate

  • @LucasNK
    @LucasNK Месяц назад +4

    for real though, please make sure you don't have sleep apnea before you do the mouth tape thing D:

  • @lilyismydogbaby
    @lilyismydogbaby Месяц назад

    My FIL is a pilot and Adam Savage was on board once, apparently after they landed when walking off the plane he shook my FIL’s hand,smiled, and said “shit landing Captain” 😂😂😂 super funny and seems like a cool dude

  • @ericaavery9382
    @ericaavery9382 Месяц назад

    Can confirm. When I was on a liquid diet for a year my face muscles atrophied and my jawline and face shape changes dramatically

  • @Chantaya
    @Chantaya Месяц назад

    I feel like we haven't fully acknowledged Raini's editing she's been doing recently and I just wanted to point it out. I'm loving it. 👏

  • @mygirl737g2
    @mygirl737g2 Месяц назад

    The cocktail sauce for your brain is advice LOL

  • @onerandomgirl5
    @onerandomgirl5 Месяц назад +31

    Zach and Miles should try a dopamine menu. My therapist recommended it to me when you’re bored and trying to relax. Hope this helps! 🫶🏾

    • @Kristhegirl39
      @Kristhegirl39 Месяц назад

      What's a dopamine menu? I'm intrigued, it sounds delicious 😂

    • @onerandomgirl5
      @onerandomgirl5 Месяц назад +1

      @@Kristhegirl39 A dopamine menu is just like a food menu but for activities. It has starters/ appetizers, mains, sides, and desserts. A “side” for example is an activity you can pair with a more boring task to make it more interesting like listening to this podcast lol or a “dessert” maybe scrolling on social media because if you do it too long it makes you feel bad. It’s helpful if you struggle deciding what to do with your free time since all the fun things you like to do are laid out. It’s definitely helped me! Hope this explanation helped ✨

  • @tanatrimble8035
    @tanatrimble8035 Месяц назад

    Hi, my name is also Tana and hearing y’all say my name over and over on the pod made me feel like a celebrity. 🤗❤️

  • @makaylasmith403
    @makaylasmith403 Месяц назад +1

    Please do the air tag hunt plog!

  • @HoneyxLime
    @HoneyxLime Месяц назад

    I have chronic back pain and I’ve been sleeping on a memory foam bean bag chair and it’s been some of the best sleep of my life. Just gotta fluff it up beforehand

  • @Jiddy12345
    @Jiddy12345 Месяц назад +1

    Shout out to Sealab 2021

  • @npeliroja89
    @npeliroja89 Месяц назад

    Zach, as a fellow disabled person who takes many pills every day- put them in a snack ziploc. No loose pills! You’ll keep losing some & bowie may snag one.
    You can take them immediately-don’t make it to the ziploc.
    You take them later in the day- in the ziploc in your pocket.
    I take mine in the morning but idk your dose sitch.

  • @nickharris1911
    @nickharris1911 Месяц назад

    Vibe so hard with the advice this week! 50% of my decision to get a pixel watch is because it has a find my phone button. Use weekly at minimum.

  • @Justanothercritic89
    @Justanothercritic89 Месяц назад

    Love a cat sound machine!!!

  • @danaewright1069
    @danaewright1069 Месяц назад +6

    in the studio?!?!?😂🖤

  • @alisonatchia3547
    @alisonatchia3547 Месяц назад +1

    ummmmm stingray teeth are literally crushers but okay Keith

  • @amandakesterson224
    @amandakesterson224 Месяц назад +1

    Well I'm offended... did they get boba or not? I need to know!!!

  • @zoeapsel5018
    @zoeapsel5018 Месяц назад

    omg i relate to the loose pills in the pocket so much- i take adderall but if i work a double i wait until a little bit into my shift to take it and one day it fell out of my pocket in the bathroom and i didn’t notice and my boss found it and gave it to me and today he found a pill on the ground and immediately asked if it was mine (it wasn’t)

  • @user_unav
    @user_unav Месяц назад

    I remember swimming as a kid and seeing one of those HUGE sting rays and it freaked me out so much
    Apparently they are the nice ones

  • @simonsaysism
    @simonsaysism Месяц назад +1

    Um I got an ad roll dead in the middle of the miles nation song??? Who is going to compensate me for this

  • @alexandraertz1238
    @alexandraertz1238 Месяц назад +1

    Love your system, Miles! This go here, this go somewhere else, this go trash.

  • @sleepypup
    @sleepypup Месяц назад

    Miles, we need more organizational advice

  • @hp6964
    @hp6964 Месяц назад

    Tell Sarah not to lose her whimsy! I think having kids gives you even more permission to be in touch with your inner child. I can’t wait for the new Despicable Me coming out in July also

  • @GeorgiannaMiller5
    @GeorgiannaMiller5 Месяц назад

    for some reason when Keith said Gwyneth Paltrow I thought Gwen Stefani and I was totally befuddled about why she was problematic

  • @jennifersherman4897
    @jennifersherman4897 Месяц назад

    Keith, rays are cartilaginous fish (like sharks), and they do have jaws! 😅

  • @pajeca
    @pajeca Месяц назад

    this go here that go there that go in the trash is about to change everything for me.

  • @andreadelatorre5724
    @andreadelatorre5724 Месяц назад

    Will you guys still do plogs???

  • @hconf
    @hconf Месяц назад

    YES I DO WANT TO GO GET SOME BOBA THANK YOU VERY MUCH ZACH

  • @aristar9902
    @aristar9902 Месяц назад

    I forgot you had a studio

  • @jjwithadog
    @jjwithadog Месяц назад

    Zach, I have a pill solution for you (not that you will see this lol)! But there are pill boxes that pop out the individual day so you can take them with you! I used to use ziplocs, but this is way less wasteful. Anyway, they're in stores or there are smaller ones on Amazon that are more pocket sized

  • @liv_sims
    @liv_sims Месяц назад

    Idk if anyone answered this but sting rays are fish 😂 they’re related to sharks

  • @wendycook6895
    @wendycook6895 Месяц назад +2

    Zack, I do the same thing with my with my meds. I put them in my pocket and I mean to take them on the way to work but I never do... They get lost... They break in my pocket... And I also split my pills so they are about the same size and kind(ie. Tablet, capsule,etc.)

  • @w.massgurl1863
    @w.massgurl1863 Месяц назад

    Fellow spoonie!

  • @Sept4178
    @Sept4178 Месяц назад

    part 58

  • @munchmunchcrunchit
    @munchmunchcrunchit Месяц назад +2

    Watching this whilst eating chewing each mouthful for like an hour, hoping to look like a horse by day's end.

  • @AER7456
    @AER7456 Месяц назад

    Okay the thing is... I really think Rainie and I would be bffs. More Rainie content ❤

  • @jibb1es
    @jibb1es Месяц назад

    You guys not knowing the taxonomy of a stingray was frustrating

    • @Olivia18ily
      @Olivia18ily Месяц назад

      I don’t think the everyday person know about stingray taxonomy 😅

    • @jibb1es
      @jibb1es Месяц назад

      @@Olivia18ily “aRe tHeY mAmMalS¿!?”… I mean c’mon Keith…

  • @magsgraff486
    @magsgraff486 Месяц назад

    By cooking and chopping food as well as all the effort put into domesticating crops and animals (making perfect food) we greatly shortened our digestive track and our teeth got smaller over millions of years. You’ll probably be fine if you don’t chew enough as long as you don’t choke. Our chewing isn’t very needed (assuming you’re just eating cooked things). ALSO too much chewing is actually bad for your jaw you’re more likely to give yourself muscle ache than help

  • @genee.m
    @genee.m Месяц назад

    I lose my phone so much. I call out “Hey Siri, where are you???” at least once daily.
    I hate that I can’t do this with my keys or remote controls, but I’m too stubborn to get AirTags ugh

  • @naxp42
    @naxp42 Месяц назад

    Miles don't take the multi vitamin at bedtime if it has B12 in it. 💜

  • @eayrin2263
    @eayrin2263 Месяц назад

    Why the hell doesn't Zach have a dosset box??? Mine has a little removable section per day that I can take out with me, it's so convenient.

  • @unstoppabledoris
    @unstoppabledoris Месяц назад

    I agree I go DIAGONAL on a bed much as I can

  • @Gaymer96
    @Gaymer96 Месяц назад

    Man i wish i didint know how to relax. Maybe then i could afford an apartment w more than one drawer. Didnt realize having a junk drawer was a privilege til i moved to ATL 😭

  • @ambermanke757
    @ambermanke757 Месяц назад +1

    Was this a green 😶‍🌫️ podcast and no one clued in the audience?!

  • @flamingospwn
    @flamingospwn Месяц назад

    rainies grocery tip looking at the bottom right corner is so smart but 🚨🚨🚨TRY GUYS TELL ME WHY I WAS AT TARGET GROCERY SECTION AND THEY DONT HAVE IT??? SHOULD BE ILLEGALllll!!!!! 🚨🚨🚨

  • @alexandraertz1238
    @alexandraertz1238 Месяц назад

    There’s nothing I want to touch less than Fish Leather.