I've been working on this in practice... I'm always looking at where I'm sliding compared to where I started...I drift 2-3 boards left and have started incorporating this into my thought process when targeting on the lane to get the proper angle
I just started incorporating foot placement on where I slide into my overall game. I never stopped to realize how foot placement impacted where the ball travels down lane and whether or not the ball curved wide into the pocket, cuts quickly ("hockey sticks") and hits on the Brooklyn side or if the ball goes wide left. (I'm a right-handed bowler.) It's having an impact. I just need to find that right slide marker to hit strikes more consistently.
Thanks to the presenter and the people who commented for one of the most helpful videos I have seen. The content is aimed at the level that I am at right now and the questions are the ones that I had. Thanks.
Simple concepts to remember. A refreshers is always welcomed. Being a subscriber, the flow of information appears to have been halted. I forget I am a subscriber.
I wish videos like this would discus starting point as well, such as left foot on 20, slide at 30, etc. I ask because Im still unsure if they are talking about drifting left or are they starting and finishing on the same board they begin on.
Scott I would recommend walking fairly straight, so the starting position should be close to the intended finishing position. Thanks for watching and the question. I hope my answer helped clarify it for you.
This may sound like a ridiculous question, but nobody is ever specific about this: Does your approach toward the line always start and end on the same board, and you twist the orientation of your body to achieve more angle? Or do you walk across boards in your approach when you need more angle, therefore you don't have to contort?
I walk the launch angle because I think it's easier to walk a straight line and roll the rock straight but I believe I'm in the minority. I should learn to do both because the ball return can be an issue on the right lane. Fortunately I almost never have to be that far inside. In my opinion trying to hit different targets from the same slide point introduces a new variable and I don't like variables.
Replying to three year old comment, but my teammate moves his feet at the start, then always walks to the same dot at the foul line. It takes out the angle he was trying to create. I try to walk parallel to the ball return no matter where I start.
Random side question on top of the original. But if you're noticing as a right-handed bowler that you are swinging your arm in the balls releasing more left. Would it make more sense to release more right of your original targeting zone or to physically target the the right foul line more so when you release its more of a consistent shot down lane.
In my opinion, hitting your target (I have always aimed at the arrows) while bowling traditional one-handed is pretty easy. I play two-handed and find it much harder. I try to keep my elbow in and sometimes I succeed and sometimes I don't. My arm tends to chicken wing even when I tell it not to. And even with my elbow in, it doesn't mean I can hit the arrow I'm looking at (though, of course, many times I do). Today I practiced something a little different. I moved my target in closer... much closer. I looked at the dots right at the foul line (I hit the third arrow and asked my son to tell me where the ball actually came down on the lane which is obviously closer than the third arrow, then I traced it backwards to the correct foul-line dot; it took a few tries to fine tune it). I only focused on that dot and didn't look down lane until after the ball was off my hand. Amazingly, once I found my spot, I struck 5 or 6 times in a row (it was strange to look up and see my ball on the right path and then strike). But after that string of strikes... I lost the magic (shots pretty good, but the strikes went by-by). This happens to me a lot. I get a good streak going and then, poof, it is gone. Still striving for that perfect game. But moving your target in should obviously improve your accuracy of being able to hit your target. It just feels weird focusing on a point so close and ignoring the entire lane and the pins. And of course, even if you hit your in-close target, you still have to be at the correct angle when releasing the ball and the correct speed and whatever other details factor into a great pocket shot.
Thanks for the question Allen. Sometimes focusing on starting to get a little bit lower with your core through a bit more knee flex as you go into your step before your slide can help you to be and stay a bit lower through your finish and release. Hope this helps!
Easy , when u start bend ur knee’s a little while u are on ur second step start bending your knees more and push ur head a little forward , you will release it near ur ankle With loft eventually getting better with time.
To get the ball lower, get lower by bending your knee more, but that won’t stop loft. To stop loft you need to work on your release and get your thumb out quicker which will simultaneously increase rev rate. To get the ball closer, tilt your body toward the ball and or walk your swing step one foot in front of the other tight rope style to create room for a straight swing path. You can also practice keeping your hand on the inside of the ball and aiming the pit of your elbow at your target to eliminate chicken winging.
No matter what I do by the third game on league nights the lanes have dried up so much and the oil has been pushed around so much that no matter what I do my shots go right through the head pin... Moving left leaves me ugly splits and moving right makes my ball take off to the left even past Brooklyn. Any suggestions short of buying a new ball built to not hook?
It can be frustrating when the lanes really break down and get super dry. You may just have move your feet and target even further left, assuming your right handed. If the ball keeps going high on your good shots, try moving even more left with both your feet and target. Another option may be switching to a ball that doesn’t hook as early. Hope that helps and thanks for the comment, good luck!!
I bowl on occasion (maybe twice a year) with friends for fun using house balls. When just throwing the bowl down the lane some of us would get a strike or two without using any of these procedures. How do you explain that?
Even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while lol! This tip about getting lined up is more for the bowlers who through more reactive balls and bowl more regularly in league and tournaments. Bowling casually a couple of times a year is fine and we're glad that you guys are getting out there and enjoying yourselves!! Thanks for watching our videos and keep getting those strikes!
Not sure what it showed apart from that different angles can be used on a target. I would really becinterested to see how body and leg angles change accordingly with each of those shots
Keith the difference in the body and leg angles are very small. Sometimes to help create a more open angle you can bring your right foot back (for right handed bowler) back a few inches in the set up position. Angles on the lane are very small, from zero degrees of launch angle (projection) up to only 3 degrees of angle for most bowlers, so no need to have a big open angle with body to create a small angle. Thanks for the question!
So the answer to this riddle is that I walk towards the same mark with my aiming slot fire away and remember where the feet are. As long as you change the angle and can repeat strikes. Line up your ball slot setup with your mark. Do not look at the pins for striking, just the arrow. Hit the thing, if the balls too early give it some more loft or move back right.
Thanks for of the great info. When bowling last night i checked my foot position at the end of my slide, something i never did before. I end up well short of the foul line, probably about 12-14 inches. Is that a negative? How important is it to finish close to the foul line?
🤔 hmm that makes sense.. I bowled a 300 two days ago and then I did terrible the 2nd game 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ I made the wrong adjustments! I wish I would've see this video before then lol Good video 👍🏾👍🏾
I bowl a lot of tournaments 3 leagues. Have you done a video where you use this foot stand here, aim here then apply the above video to line up with. I would Like to see something like that.
Thanks for the comment and for watching our videos. Standing a specific spot on the approach and playing a specific line on the lane can be very different for different bowlers. For that reason, it's very hard to say stand here and aim there. Where you stand and aim can depend on the lanes condition, ball choice, ball speed, rev rate as well as your release and individual ball roll.
How do you determine a specific vector for your ball to be projected on as it passes the target at the arrows? Do you try and project the ball out to the #10 pin, #6 , or maybe the gutter? Thank you..
I would say as long as you're consistent with your finish location and with your target at the arrows you should be fine. If there's another thing you should watch it'd be break point.
A better explanation in my opinion could have been that if you want to get a straight line add 7 boards to your target this is the normal straight shot for example board 10 target slide board 17 this will be zero angle slide 20 target 10 you created a 3 board angle assuming same breakpoint of course.
I think his explanation was broken down so that ANY type of bowler could understand it. Your explanation may confuse newer bowlers. Or bowlers who don’t quite understand full bowling lingo.
What would be the dot to stand on and arrow to aim at for the very first ball thrown in practice? Is there one dot and arrow best to get your initial arrow and break figured out?
Thanks for watching and for the question. If bowling on a typical house shot condition, not a Sport shot lane condition, usually around the second arrow can be a good starting point. On most house shots, there's more oil inside of 2nd arrow and less oil outside of 2nd arrow. It's good to have the oil to the left of target and drier boards to the right for right handed bowlers. Generally your left foot would start @20 board which is the bigger middle dot. From there you can make adjustments if needed. Thanks again and I hope this helps!
I have recently started to bounce my ball at delivery. Teammates say i am dropping the ball but it doesnt feel that way to me. Whatever it is the has no energy at the pocket and i am some really difficult leaves. Any advice or suggestions? I know its a tough question with no video.
Could be you’re lunging as your sliding. If you’re head get way in front of your knee, your downswing gets too steep and the ball will ball of your hand too early. (With or without a ball) Get into a solid finish position, and then lean forward. See how your arm goes back hand points straight down now…the ball will come off your thumb too early now.
@@MrKnothead63 some of Mark Baker’s videos/analysis cover this, and show it better than I may have tried explaining here. I know it’s something I struggle with constants too.
@@TheVlad1616 thanks. I think where i slide is probably my problem. Teammate told that was drifting a little right. This really was helpful 😌 thank you
Video is OK, but you dont tell from which board Kent start to walk to slide on 31 board. Hi can not start from 31 board and slide to 31 broard. If Kent has 5 step walking he shuold start walking from somewhere 37-38 boards?, depending on his personal number? So tell please to everybody Kents board where he starts walking, otherwise this is not complete targeting guide.
Marshall actually does walk fairly straight, within a couple of boards, pretty much no matter where he's playing on the lane. It's usually not recommended to walk to much toward the target as it can cause some swing issues and make it more difficult to project the ball to the right. Since some bowlers have different step patterns, we just referenced the spread of feet to target at the finish to create different angles and shot shapes. If a bowler drifts, they would then have to figure out where they would need to start in order to finish in the desired position, adding or subtracting the boards of their drift. Thanks for watching and for your comments, we appreciate it!
I've been working on this in practice... I'm always looking at where I'm sliding compared to where I started...I drift 2-3 boards left and have started incorporating this into my thought process when targeting on the lane to get the proper angle
I just started incorporating foot placement on where I slide into my overall game. I never stopped to realize how foot placement impacted where the ball travels down lane and whether or not the ball curved wide into the pocket, cuts quickly ("hockey sticks") and hits on the Brooklyn side or if the ball goes wide left. (I'm a right-handed bowler.) It's having an impact. I just need to find that right slide marker to hit strikes more consistently.
Thanks to the presenter and the people who commented for one of the most helpful videos I have seen. The content is aimed at the level that I am at right now and the questions are the ones that I had. Thanks.
Easy to understand and to put into your game. Thanks for a GREAT video.
Simple concepts to remember. A refreshers is always welcomed. Being a subscriber, the flow of information appears to have been halted. I forget I am a subscriber.
I wish videos like this would discus starting point as well, such as left foot on 20, slide at 30, etc. I ask because Im still unsure if they are talking about drifting left or are they starting and finishing on the same board they begin on.
Thank you for the feedback. We will definitely keep this in mind when shooting future videos!
Scott I would recommend walking fairly straight, so the starting position should be close to the intended finishing position. Thanks for watching and the question. I hope my answer helped clarify it for you.
@@mikejasnau8587 Thank you!
This may sound like a ridiculous question, but nobody is ever specific about this: Does your approach toward the line always start and end on the same board, and you twist the orientation of your body to achieve more angle? Or do you walk across boards in your approach when you need more angle, therefore you don't have to contort?
I walk the launch angle because I think it's easier to walk a straight line and roll the rock straight but I believe I'm in the minority. I should learn to do both because the ball return can be an issue on the right lane. Fortunately I almost never have to be that far inside. In my opinion trying to hit different targets from the same slide point introduces a new variable and I don't like variables.
Replying to three year old comment, but my teammate moves his feet at the start, then always walks to the same dot at the foul line. It takes out the angle he was trying to create.
I try to walk parallel to the ball return no matter where I start.
It’s really your shoulder angle . Some people drift to the left or right naturally. Practice opening up your shoulders for the shot you want.
Random side question on top of the original. But if you're noticing as a right-handed bowler that you are swinging your arm in the balls releasing more left. Would it make more sense to release more right of your original targeting zone or to physically target the the right foul line more so when you release its more of a consistent shot down lane.
Basic solid tips, thanks. And congrats on the precision of those targets on the Marshall shots ;)
Thanks for watching!
Awesome. Would love the opportunity to work with Mike again 🙏🏾
Thanks for watching!
@@leonardojedidiah4905 weirdo
In my opinion, hitting your target (I have always aimed at the arrows) while bowling traditional one-handed is pretty easy. I play two-handed and find it much harder. I try to keep my elbow in and sometimes I succeed and sometimes I don't. My arm tends to chicken wing even when I tell it not to. And even with my elbow in, it doesn't mean I can hit the arrow I'm looking at (though, of course, many times I do). Today I practiced something a little different. I moved my target in closer... much closer. I looked at the dots right at the foul line (I hit the third arrow and asked my son to tell me where the ball actually came down on the lane which is obviously closer than the third arrow, then I traced it backwards to the correct foul-line dot; it took a few tries to fine tune it). I only focused on that dot and didn't look down lane until after the ball was off my hand. Amazingly, once I found my spot, I struck 5 or 6 times in a row (it was strange to look up and see my ball on the right path and then strike). But after that string of strikes... I lost the magic (shots pretty good, but the strikes went by-by). This happens to me a lot. I get a good streak going and then, poof, it is gone. Still striving for that perfect game. But moving your target in should obviously improve your accuracy of being able to hit your target. It just feels weird focusing on a point so close and ignoring the entire lane and the pins. And of course, even if you hit your in-close target, you still have to be at the correct angle when releasing the ball and the correct speed and whatever other details factor into a great pocket shot.
Saving this for sure!
So, if you're talking about right-handed bowlers, why use right feet footprints (the blue and red ones) to illustrate the slide foot?
Thanks for the great tips.
Thanks for watching!
Keep sending me theses videos
Any tips on how to really the ball lower by my ankle I tend to let the ball go high with loft getting better but any tips would help
Thanks for the question Allen. Sometimes focusing on starting to get a little bit lower with your core through a bit more knee flex as you go into your step before your slide can help you to be and stay a bit lower through your finish and release. Hope this helps!
Easy , when u start bend ur knee’s a little while u are on ur second step start bending your knees more and push ur head a little forward , you will release it near ur ankle With loft eventually getting better with time.
To get the ball lower, get lower by bending your knee more, but that won’t stop loft. To stop loft you need to work on your release and get your thumb out quicker which will simultaneously increase rev rate. To get the ball closer, tilt your body toward the ball and or walk your swing step one foot in front of the other tight rope style to create room for a straight swing path. You can also practice keeping your hand on the inside of the ball and aiming the pit of your elbow at your target to eliminate chicken winging.
No matter what I do by the third game on league nights the lanes have dried up so much and the oil has been pushed around so much that no matter what I do my shots go right through the head pin... Moving left leaves me ugly splits and moving right makes my ball take off to the left even past Brooklyn. Any suggestions short of buying a new ball built to not hook?
It can be frustrating when the lanes really break down and get super dry.
You may just have move your feet and target even further left, assuming your right handed. If the ball keeps going high on your good shots, try moving even more left with both your feet and target. Another option may be switching to a ball that doesn’t hook as early. Hope that helps and thanks for the comment, good luck!!
I bowl on occasion (maybe twice a year) with friends for fun using house balls. When just throwing the bowl down the lane some of us would get a strike or two without using any of these procedures. How do you explain that?
Even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while lol! This tip about getting lined up is more for the bowlers who through more reactive balls and bowl more regularly in league and tournaments. Bowling casually a couple of times a year is fine and we're glad that you guys are getting out there and enjoying yourselves!! Thanks for watching our videos and keep getting those strikes!
Not sure what it showed apart from that different angles can be used on a target. I would really becinterested to see how body and leg angles change accordingly with each of those shots
Thanks for watching!
Keith the difference in the body and leg angles are very small. Sometimes to help create a more open angle you can bring your right foot back (for right handed bowler) back a few inches in the set up position. Angles on the lane are very small, from zero degrees of launch angle (projection) up to only 3 degrees of angle for most bowlers, so no need to have a big open angle with body to create a small angle. Thanks for the question!
So the answer to this riddle is that I walk towards the same mark with my aiming slot fire away and remember where the feet are. As long as you change the angle and can repeat strikes. Line up your ball slot setup with your mark. Do not look at the pins for striking, just the arrow. Hit the thing, if the balls too early give it some more loft or move back right.
Thanks for of the great info. When bowling last night i checked my foot position at the end of my slide, something i never did before. I end up well short of the foul line, probably about 12-14 inches. Is that a negative? How important is it to finish close to the foul line?
I wish I could give an answer but I end up 2-3 feet away and I’m having to sling the ball, I’ve tried moving up a foot and it’s helped a bit
Why make the game harder by being father away ? It’s already hard enough.
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Maybe I missed it, but how far down the Lane is your target? Is the target the arrows?
as you move left, don't your need to open your shoulders to your mark and look further down the lane at the mark as well?
🤔 hmm that makes sense.. I bowled a 300 two days ago and then I did terrible the 2nd game 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ I made the wrong adjustments! I wish I would've see this video before then lol
Good video 👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks for watching and for your comments, we appreciate it. I hope this helps you to follow up your next 300 with another big game!!
@@insidebowling Thank you.. I appreciate it 😊💪🏾
you MADE a 300? Damn thats great
I bowl a lot of tournaments 3 leagues. Have you done a video where you use this foot stand here, aim here then apply the above video to line up with. I would Like to see something like that.
Thanks for the comment and for watching our videos. Standing a specific spot on the approach and playing a specific line on the lane can be very different for different bowlers. For that reason, it's very hard to say stand here and aim there. Where you stand and aim can depend on the lanes condition, ball choice, ball speed, rev rate as well as your release and individual ball roll.
Awesome information thanks for sharing.#PEACE ✌🏿
Thanks for watching!
How do you determine a specific vector for your ball to be projected on as it passes the target at the arrows? Do you try and project the ball out to the #10 pin, #6 , or maybe the gutter?
Thank you..
I would say as long as you're consistent with your finish location and with your target at the arrows you should be fine. If there's another thing you should watch it'd be break point.
A better explanation in my opinion could have been that if you want to get a straight line add 7 boards to your target this is the normal straight shot for example board 10 target slide board 17 this will be zero angle slide 20 target 10 you created a 3 board angle assuming same breakpoint of course.
Your explanation only enhanced this block of instruction; thanks!
Thanks for watching!
You are assuming there is no drift in your approach.
I think his explanation was broken down so that ANY type of bowler could understand it. Your explanation may confuse newer bowlers. Or bowlers who don’t quite understand full bowling lingo.
What would be the dot to stand on and arrow to aim at for the very first ball thrown in practice? Is there one dot and arrow best to get your initial arrow and break figured out?
Thanks for watching and for the question. If bowling on a typical house shot condition, not a Sport shot lane condition, usually around the second arrow can be a good starting point. On most house shots, there's more oil inside of 2nd arrow and less oil outside of 2nd arrow. It's good to have the oil to the left of target and drier boards to the right for right handed bowlers. Generally your left foot would start @20 board which is the bigger middle dot. From there you can make adjustments if needed. Thanks again and I hope this helps!
I have a question on Shot 3 it says target @16 or 17 but I didn’t see the ball hitting the target, what am i missing? Maybe someone can help me 😬
I have recently started to bounce my ball at delivery. Teammates say i am dropping the ball but it doesnt feel that way to me. Whatever it is the has no energy at the pocket and i am some really difficult leaves. Any advice or suggestions? I know its a tough question with no video.
Could be you’re lunging as your sliding. If you’re head get way in front of your knee, your downswing gets too steep and the ball will ball of your hand too early.
(With or without a ball) Get into a solid finish position, and then lean forward. See how your arm goes back hand points straight down now…the ball will come off your thumb too early now.
@TheVlad1616 thanks. I think what you say is true, had one of my teammates video me and i looked like was i was doing. Thanks
@@MrKnothead63 some of Mark Baker’s videos/analysis cover this, and show it better than I may have tried explaining here. I know it’s something I struggle with constants too.
@@TheVlad1616 thanks. I think where i slide is probably my problem. Teammate told that was drifting a little right. This really was helpful 😌 thank you
Thank you
Can you show some no thumb release techniques
Thank you for the feedback! We will definitely keep this in mind when filming our future videos.
I am a left hander no thumb release and i want to improve my game
How to avoid turning your wrist during bowling games?
Core type of bowling balls
I can roll the ball good enough my arms swing around. If I roll straight I catch my hips or brush my knee
what if your dont slide into a position though
why is there a right foot at the imagine instead of a left foot lol for righty throw
I can’t get end pins
I just recently learned to curve the ball but I think I'm doing too much
Video is OK, but you dont tell from which board Kent start to walk to slide on 31 board. Hi can not start from 31 board and slide to 31 broard. If Kent has 5 step walking he shuold
start walking from somewhere 37-38 boards?, depending on his personal number? So tell please to everybody Kents board where he starts walking, otherwise this is not complete
targeting guide.
Marshall actually does walk fairly straight, within a couple of boards, pretty much no matter where he's playing on the lane. It's usually not recommended to walk to much toward the target as it can cause some swing issues and make it more difficult to project the ball to the right. Since some bowlers have different step patterns, we just referenced the spread of feet to target at the finish to create different angles and shot shapes. If a bowler drifts, they would then have to figure out where they would need to start in order to finish in the desired position, adding or subtracting the boards of their drift. Thanks for watching and for your comments, we appreciate it!
Aim for 10 pin and the ball will hook to the pocket
Launch angle? Isn’t that a baseball term?
Old people don't slide anymore.
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Stand left, throw it 20mph turn the ball as hard as you can. Todays bowling.
No it's not
Thanks
That was really helpful thanks a lot 🙏