@@darthex0, They could be human made or natural and be a threat. They could be ultra stealth aircraft from a hostile nation, (I doubt it.) They could be cat lasers from a hostile nation designed to confuse our defenses in a time of war. (I think this is more likely.) They could be cat lasers mounted on drones by practical jokers. (I think this is by far the most likely.)
I agree with Fraser that the astronomy community is generally very open and that the US government is not enforcing a hard suppression of sightings of UFOs/UAP that could be alien spacecraft. However, particularly in the 1950's and 60's and maybe longer, there was a consistent effort by the US Air force to downplay and ignore such reports. The main reason was that it was thought that giving them credence would make the public think that the Air Force and Navy aircraft were Not in control of the skies over America. There was a degree of the condescending view that the American public might get hysterical about such fears. Re current events, if an alien mothership did fly in front of a wide-angle space telescope or one of the big telescopes on Earth such as on Hawaii or Peru at a slow enough speed that a good, clear image was gotten, I concur with Fraser that the astronomers who got those images would probably pretty quickly and enthusiastically share them with both other astronomers And with the NY Times and CBS News or other major news sites. The government has no strict censorship of such and probably no censorship. The reasons why the first astronomers to see it might ponder and delay sharing it are, first, they would want to make absolutely sure that it was really an alien spaceship and not a stealth fighter jet or balloon or drone, and secondly, they would have some fear of being ridiculed. In other words, they might think that UFOs aren't what serious astronomers report on. Another possible reason why alien spacecraft haven't been definitely spotted or recorded by astronomers, professional or amateur, is that the ship might be moving too fast on a near Earth trajectory for a good image to be had. Or, and this may sound like science fiction, but the aliens may have a technology that allows them to bend both optical light and radar waves such that they are invisible or the resulting image is so distorted that it no longer looks like a spacecraft.
They might be coming from the oceans, or from somewhere else outside our space-time. It wouldn’t be the first time humanity has realized that reality is far broader and stranger than we once thought. There was a time when the world was just the sky and the earth. Then the Earth became round, yet firmly placed at the center of existence, with a ceiling of stars enclosing the universe. Then the ceiling was shattered, and the Earth was flung, spinning, into a boundless abyss. Matter, once believed to be made of four or five elements, revealed itself to be a vast microcosm of strange particles and waves, the depths of which we still do not fully understand. The world is also teeming with invisible living beings, and the nature of life turned out to be a wildly intricate molecular machinery. Nature is always showing us that the rabbit hole goes deeper.
The question of life on Mars, I think that it is unlikely that there is no microbial life there since microbes can survive very extreme conditions for a very long time. Finding it is a different question.
On earth deep lived microbes, deep inside the earth . There is estimated 20 billion tons of microbes. So Mars could have similar. Mars internal temp is about 12,000 f, and for Mars to have water trapped deep inside is a. Possiblity. So I think you are right
TY Fraser. The inconsistencies in the expansion rate measurements isn't a crisis it's an opportunity. This 'crisis' will result in a deeper understanding.
Totally agree. Unfortunately the use of the word "crisis" has also been seen as an opportunity for those who wish to exploit the clickbait trend, which in turn has been used in a backlash against the credibility of the scientific process.
@@WizardofoOZeAU Yeah the use of the word crisis in the popular media does play directly to those who would, as you say, smear the credibility of the scientific process.
@@jonlittle5032 Indeed. The large sheets placed outside of news stands with only the latest edition headlines in gigantic print were called "screamers" for pretty much the same reason. Clickbait is the sensationalist tabloid eye-grabber of the online era.
@@WizardofoOZeAU You assert the obvious but never make a point. I never said clickbait wasn'1 a thing. I said "crisis of astronomy" is not clickbait; it accurately reflects that two accurate but conflicting measurements that the theory cannot reconcile is a legitimate crisis.
don't bother - they guy is either clueless or just says it out of ignorance. He's explaining a straw-man i.e. why don't we see little green men in the grocery isle? - well of course because they don't exist. If alien/army crafts use any advanced anti-gravity drives they are going to be undetected mid-flight unless you are specifically looking for their space-time signature, which nobody is, so it's no wonder no academic/amateur astronomer has spotted them.
This matches our observations. UAPs will often appear and disappear at random suggesting trans-dimensional travel. They've also been observed changing back and forth between plasma energy and physical objects.
@SailorRob nope. They wouldn't have to fly. Think of a wormhole transporter. They'd just appear at their destination. But they won't, because that's physically impossible.
You are correct about UAP's and coverups, but the current super-academic, multigenerational approach to "building the foundation for the case for life" elsewhere in our Solar System just leaves me cold. A few Hail Mary passes that could potentially revolutionize our knowledge in the short term are justified. A transparent adventure like this could reinvigorate public interest, and give those of us who witnessed first hand the first artificial satellite what we crave before we die.
Your astronomer argument is the same one I used for the health administration during Covid. You cannot possibly believe that the 100s of thousands of Hospitals, clinics, doctors, nurses, insurers and multiple agencies are all conspiring to lie to you.!
@swapshots4427 but also that doesn't mean that public institutions are always right. The church succeeded in suppressing alternative worldviews in the middle ages. I imagine a bishop would have made the same argument about being a conspiracy to suppress the truth back then.
Not the same thing. The argument is only a tight group of people know the truth about alien visitations. The argument is not "all scientists are hiding the truth". This is not the Apollo Moon landing conspiracy.
One difference of course was the government pandemic incentives to hospitals, with the effect of inflating case numbers and reported C19 "deaths" (i.e, "deaths with" vs. "deaths from"). Under this temporary data collection regime, Influenza apparently took an unprecedented vacation, and only resumed pre-pandemic amplitudes once the emergency pandemic rules were rescinded.
The thing about the Viking labeled release experiments that is annoying is that all the scientists approved of the protocol before it was deployed...and didn't get the results they thought it should. If it had found nothing they would not be claiming the experiment was bad. It is a poor scientist who discards or disregards data just because it doesn't match their preconceptions. They never could explain how abiotic chemistry could match the results; there was a control for that.
Well if they couldn't come up with a fitting model then they didn't just disregard the data, did they? They just have no idea what has happened. But having no idea is something different then 'Aliens!!!'
I know that the Vatican has scientists and astronomers, but I bet they have a lot more and do a lot more than we know. Is there a website/resource where the public can see the scope of the work? Or is Archive the only place?
Dude, there are a lot of weird things flying around, over military bases, and the government says they don't know what these things are. At the same time, they say they are not a threat. Something very weird is going on.
For the next Mars lander could they not just have a microscope on board, scoop up some soil and have a look to see if anything's wiggling around in it??
Could they? Yes of course. But it’s similar to looking for evidence of coin-currency usage on earth by picking up a random scoop of dirt and seeing if there are any coins in it. When you don’t find any, what do you conclude? No one used coins? or you looked in the wrong spot? They’re working on answering the questions in order… is it even possible, if so is it likely? If so where would it have been most likely.. etc. work through the steps first.
You could never hide spacecraft approaching earth? But the WTF did we not notice Oumaumua until it was already leaving earth? That seems like a pretty big gap of seeing something that reportedly wasn’t even trying to hide.
For the first answer: Essentially astronomy isn't a monolith. It's literally impossible to silence every astronomer around the world. That's why it's impossible to hide an actual alien visitation.
Interesting study recently trying to explain the acceleration of the universe without the use of dark matter and dark energy. The idea of timescape cosmology is that time advances slower in areas with high gravitation and faster in a void that has less gravity. The hypothesis is that as the universe expands, the voids become larger and this is the reason for the apparent acceleration of the universe as we look back in time/distance. The study was released by an astronomy team from the University of Canterbury and the German University of Heidelberg. It will be interesting to see if this has validity with further study.
Here's a question: how does jwst stay in L2 orbit and is the depiction in the animation, really how objects orbit the Lagrange points or do thrusters make that happen? Btw i really wish 🤞 you made more of these q&a shows ...im addicted
Hi Fraser, do you think Mars has already become 'infected' by Earth bacteria (on the rovers etc) as it looks like its impossible to have a clean spacecraft?
Even if astronomers could be forbidden to talk about a discovery, I think they are the kind of people where there would always be some who would just ignore it and share the news anyway.
I have a question: so we know that you can make things move by using a solar sail, so light can make things move. Could the increasing expansion of the universe be explained by the energy that star light give of to all matter? It would take extremely long, but over billions of years could it be possible that star light pushes everything away from each other?
If, at the beginning of the universe, the Bohr Radius, the distance between the nucleus of an atom and its electron were set to not zero,but something close, would that explain why the universe was so dense? No opposition within atoms. I have seen videos where they explain the relative enormous distance within an atom.
the great attractor event seems to be an observable universe wide event..new data shows that the expansion of the universes actually inversely influenced by hyper-massive great attractor mass types and may not be what has been thought.
About 09:00 f Interestingly, I once read about someone saying that the structures which look like dried out rivers once not carried water but liquid Carbon dioxide in order to damp the excitation about it. However, if water can hardly be liquid because of low pressure, even less so can Carbon dioxide, so this statement kind of debunks itself.
Gifted in the form of a staged crash - “ you made a nuke , try work this out” hence recoveries out in desert near military bases. The small greys may be biological robots and “ expendable “
I feel the conspiracy doesn't happen in science, but in the engineering used to apply that science in a cost effective manner on a large scale for the militaries various purposes. like sure, the government is hiding things from you but its probably things like the exact specs of their various equipment and not " oh we had antigravity the whole time"
QUESTION.???? Wait, What- "We are moving away from the great attractor" ..????? But evrytime anyone else mention T G A it's always in relation to how we are moving towards it, in great speeds and one day "arrive" there. Please Fraser do explain that in much more details, or perhaps do one of your excellent interviews with a excerpt in that field.. I'm quite confused now 😄
@@frasercain 3 million light years is just a bit less than 1 megaparsec, across which spacetime expansion (the Hubble "constant") amounts to just a ~70 km/s effective separation velocity. So, if we're moving toward something (like the Great Attractor) at let's say 1000 km/s, then we're still getting closer to it over time, even if it's up to 48 million light years away. The problem with the Great Attractor specifically, is that it's 150 million light years distant, so that our movement toward it isn't fast enough to overcome the cumulative rate of spacetime expansion between it and us (to reach it eventually, we'd need to be moving toward it a bit more than 3× faster than we are currently.)
@@frasercain Yes that's what the segment was all about, i get that, and sort of understand the expansion of the univers . What I don't understand is that it's always said that we are moving towards it and will arrive at some point of time, not away from it.. Thanks for your comment thou Frasier ..
1) I don’t particularly buy into the idea that we know (definitively) the exact “brightness” of all of those “standard candles”, or their specific mass. 2) I don’t think that “time” necessarily “works exactly the same” in all locations across this immense universe… and therefore the “speed of light” , as a tool to accurately measure distance… seems a little dubious to me as well.
The process of a type 1a supernova is physics (a star gets bigger and bigger as it eats its companion star, until its mass exceeds its ability to radiate enough to resist its gravity) it's pretty certain
I doubt that interstellar ships would travel in a normal way, that would take ages. It’s more likely that they’d pop out of warp/hyperspace close to the destination. They might have stealth tech too. There’re stories of craft emerging from the oceans too, so looking up may be the wrong direction.
"It’s more likely that they’d pop out of warp/hyperspace close to the destination." Try reading less science fiction and more science. (And before you point to the Alcubierre drive: it's not clear at all if that could ever lead to superluminal speeds, there is lots of unsubstantiated hype around it.)
@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 You left out my previous sentence, which is rooted in scientific fact. As travelling normally would take ages, that only leaves an exotic form of locomotion which we haven't discovered yet and can only imagine. You make it sound bad to have an imagination, making you somebody I wouldn't/don't enjoy talking to.
@@UnChannelDuVulpineX If left out your previous sentence because I agreed with it, so there was no need to comment on it. "As travelling normally would take ages, that only leaves an exotic form of locomotion which we haven't discovered yet and can only imagine." ??? And you ignore the possibility that such an exotic form simply could not exist? "You make it sound bad to have an imagination" One can dream, there is no problem with that. As long as one is aware that one is dreaming.
"Information is power", and in my opinion todays society value power over truth. It is ridiculous to discount the possibility that people have not nor will not hold back information to further their position or standing in the field they study. Categorical denial of opinions when history has show us that humans have done that since recorded history is a weak position in discussion... I could be wrong though.
In science usually anyone holding information back loses credit to those that release it. Usually if information is withheld it's not scientists for prestige it's everybody else who don't like scientists forcing them to be silent. What Fraser was getting at is there is so much unofficial and informal communication within the astronomy sphere that suppressing info on ETs there is impossible.
How would it be physically possible to hide this? How could it be covered up? The steps required to cover it up would be ludicrous. Yes some would WANT to cover it up but doing it would be impossible.
@@jayaroh4378How about you study the field a bit... There are numerous ways to make somebody quiet. Or destroy the reputation of a person. Or deny a person in the know has ever worked with an organization which knows the truth. Black projects, etc... One can buy a person's silence just by ordering if the person's are serving and have to follow orders.
@@jayaroh4378 I'm not sure what you are referring to when you state "... to hide this... how could 'it' be covered up?". My post was a reaction to the words "ridiculous" and the phrase "discount the possibility", and my reply to you is because of the words "ludicrous" and "impossible". Anyone who claims things are 'impossible' or someone is wrong when there is no evidence either way on a subject clearly doesn't understand the concept of science based evidence. It is always a good idea to keep an open mind and follow the facts where there are some. Sure have a strong opinion on something, but people who have a different opinion are not wrong unless facts back their hypothesis.
@@Sports_PhotographerPeople say "be open minded" as an excuse to discount reality and the knowledge we have accumulated. Keeping an open mind is how people become incels or loose their life savings in crypto. Reality is reality if you have extraordinary claims you must have extraordinary proof verified by a credible source. Not everyone deserves to be taken seriously on topics they aren't experts in.
Thanks for the info! As a child, I read Hoyle's Frontiers of Astronomy. In the '80s I read Hartmann's Astronomy A Cosmic Journey . What current book would you recommend to cover all of astronomy?
Although the forces at work that are responsible for intergalactic inflation have not yet been worked out, it is reassuring that simply because that force DOES have some measurable effect in our universe, that we will be able to figure it out. Imagine how terrible it would be if we finally had to resign ourselves to never being able to know how it all works (3 Body anybody?) then again at the rate we are tearing through all the tough ones asked by people as far back as the ancient Greeks while taking a bath maybe knowing all of it destroys the mystery, there is something to be said for not knowing....
0:37 With emphasis on "regular." If a civilization is advanced enough to get here, surely they are advanced enough to hide from our petty, primitive technology.
Guys by the time astronomers had noticed Oamuamua it had virtually bitten us on the ass, so the idea you are all seeing is stretching it a little & maybe not a good example to use
What is your opinion on: the Graviton makes up the quantum foam. And it is a byproduct of cosmic interactions. This to me, is mindbending. But then, so is Gravity.
Saying that this or that object is moving away (from us) as a result of cosmic expansion seems to gloss over the truth. Yes, expansion increases distances but actual movement can as well. Can we talk about the rate of Andromeda's approach to the Milky Way in the context of cosmic expansion? Without the effect of expansion, won't Andromeda intersect with the Milky Way sooner?
The one grain of truth in the "not looking for life" thing is that the Martian rovers were not allowed to land at or go to the recurring slope lineae or other sites were liquid water might be possible. That was for planetary protection reasons, the rovers are not sterile and so we wouldn't want them to possibly "seed" a place where Earth life might have a shot at surviving.
I think the planetary protection regime is going to cost us much progress without some serious pushback. Any lifeforms found on Mars would be uniquely shaped by the environment there over eons, and any doubts posed by an initial detection can be followed by new tests asking different and more direct questions.
@ I kind of get it from a perspective of extreme conservatism or the appearance of, but some of the arguments for are reaching towards animism or similar.
So mathematically, on paper, we can reverse time and create a theoretical white hole. If we reverse time, would gravity also reverse? If we are a part of the "great attractor" how would you explain the mechanism by which these galaxies are now moving away from the "great repulsor" as they had previously been further away in the past? Thanks for your time and thoughts good sir!
Hey Fraser. Any chance you could start saying the date of the show at the start? Listening on Spotify stream while working rather than RUclips there's no context to when the information is relevant. No problem for scientific principles but things like space missions or astronomy it can matter. Cheers mate!
I love good sci-fi, but am not a fan of stories without character development, or of ideas that are grotesque. I’ll have to look this book up, but if anyone reading this has suggestions on things that are wonderful but not downers (space opera can be fun too) I would be thankful if you share. :). And just to share a very silly popcorn-fun read, Timothy Zahn’s Quadrail series is exactly that. Good clean fun, you could call it- if you can get past the juxtaposition of a film noir-esque mystery-on-a-train vibe combined with space adventure.
That's not correct. If we were in fact being visited by aliens for the last hundred years we would know they aren't interested in hurting us, aren't interested in taking from us There's no apparent risk regardless of whether there are or aren't UFOs
Hi again, Fraser. This isn’t a science question, but I’m curious to hear your thoughts on Trump’s suggestion about Canada becoming the 51st state of America.
Would those surveys catch a ship painted with vantablack or similar? I suppose orbital IR telescopes might see it and the radar networks might but it wouldn't be impossible to have a low emission and high scattering vehicle if you were trying. Not that I think such things are coming and going, I really don't; It just seems odd to ignore the possibility like it doesn't exist. We use stealth technology, after all.
You will never detect the Alien ship by looking into space. They can materialize their ships anywhere in the world. Whoever watched the movie, the arrival of the Alien ship simply appeared and left, simply disappearing like smoke. The Alien ship works exactly like this. It can appear, become physical for everyone to see, disappear in a matter of seconds, jump to another dimension or place. Current science would have to throw all its current knowledge in the trash to understand the science behind the Alien technology.
Ppl are too accepting of the time spans, yeah it takes time but an over 50 year wait for another Viking life testing type mission is ridiculous. I thought finding life was the most important question we need to answer?
I just wanted to say , remember when there was evidence that another specie's land and communicated with gov officials many years ago. So wouldn't they tell the people now of such contacts. So why would they today not hide this. Just my opinion
It is a good laugh for me whenever the alien conspiracy stuff hits the web. I have two friends who believe all the conspiracies and they don't talk to me about it all anymore why, I asked them why all the aliens choose North America to leave their footprints and detritus and why they chose North America from the other side of the Galaxy and not somewhere equally civilised. No response just like in Space.
Astronomy would appear to have a spectrum. One end is as you describe, a vibrant community with large numbers of open participation, your example of Oumuamua is perfect for this end of the spectrum. The other end has a completely different character dominated by highly specialised equipment and convoluted scientific theories with many assumptions, these are areas where often no one involved really understands the complete picture, only their jigsaw piece. My level of trust in the scientific output goes from a maximum at the former end to a minimum at the later end of the spectrum. Conspiracy, group think or motivated reasoning which is highly unlikely at one becomes quite plausible at the other.
Astronomers don't need UAP censorship imposed upon them. They impose it on themselves with ridicule, shame, and the threat of losing professional opportunities. Literally the same tactics the Navy and Air Force are now disclosing via whistleblowers. It's not a stupid topic, but treating it like it's stupid automatically silences anyone with too much pride and sensitivity to be willing to risk being seen as stupid. It's not mysterious or complicated.
"They impose it on themselves with ridicule, shame, and the threat of losing professional opportunities." Nonsense. Astronomers would _love_ to find aliens.
This is exactly how it works. Self censorship. The fear of losing ones reputation is real. Also the fear of losing funding plays a major role. Anyone saying otherwise is either ignorant or lying. Hopefully the topic is slowly becoming legit. Just look at how it only took one real article from the NYT in 2017 to change the attitude towards the topic.
What if the aliens come from behind the Sun to disguise the braking phase, then skim as close as their ship can handle and approach Earth with an active thermal dissipation shield in the front that matches the blackbody signal of the Sun from Earth's perspective at that distance, with any excess heat dissipated in collimated beams to the sides; timed the arrival to noon over Point Nemo, deployed ablative heatshield to match the signature of an asteroid; then after the splashdown switched to submarine mode and made contact with one of the secret nuk subs?
Maybe outgassing in the front some helium and hydrogen to spectrally approximate the Sun's signal; and the excess heat doesn't have to be strictly colimated, a hollow cone with Earth in it's shadow would suffice.
There is no way they could hide themselves? How could you say that. Definitely a nonzero possibility that advanced ET would have the ability to cloak themselves.
Im still upset that i was mandella effected from a universe where i was part of the saggitarius arm of a four armed non-barred spiral galaxy with relatively clean arms in to a universe where we are on the orion spur of the saggitarius arm of a barred probbably 2 or 3 armed galaxy with shreddy messy arms. One of the larger overall ones in my pinion. But alas! Cest la vie!
To the 1st, I would have to say it is very possible, other than obvious of them really showing up. But National security is well known for its ability to silence and threaten and all that. And don't forget psyops as well.
The whole point of the Hubble Deep Field was to stare at a part of the sky that looked completely empty for hundreds of hours. In the end, they discovered over 100,000 galaxies in that tiny spot. The longer you look, the more you see.
If an alien had , a microwave oven of elevnty-fitrh septgintwillion Watts, would it act like mass? Does dark matter, have to be mass, or would even weirdly constrained photons, (see microwave oven) be called mass in the circumstances?
Is it possible that the way the laws of physics fell out of the Big Bang is the only way they could have fallen out? It seems to me that the laws of physics should be multi Universal. Has anyone tried to derive different laws of physics from different numbers if that's not a stupid question?
The "laws of physics" are nothing more than predictive models made by humans. They say more about us than objective reality. Look to history at Greek elements, geocentrism, aether, etc. Even now we famously can't reconcile relativity with quantum mechanics. Concepts like dark matter, dark energy, and non-local causality cast doubt on both. We still use those models because they're the best tools we have to make predictions and expand our understanding of the universe, but we shouldn't make the mistake of thinking there are actually particles with charge and spin out there, or waves propagating through a vacuum. Donald Hoffman makes an even stronger version of this argument.
We will never reach the great attractor... i kind of wonder what speed our galaxy would be moving at as we came near to it though... after all just like an ice skater pulling their arms in the cliser we got to it the faster we would be going.
Amateur astronomy is called "amateur" not because it implies a lack of professionalism, but because the term amateur originates from the Latin word amator, meaning "lover" or "enthusiast." Amateur astronomers are individuals who pursue the study of astronomy out of passion and personal interest, rather than as a paid profession.
Avi Loeb is not attacked because he is looking for life, but due to his sloppy methods and his constant running to the press for blurting out his unsubstantiated assertions.
@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 and one of those "minions of orthodoxy" shows up at the mere mention, dropping slurs and slander with all the unbased accusation of a classic witch-hunt.
@@animistchannel What I wrote was not slur and slander. What _you_ write here, calling me a "minion of orthodoxy" and claiming that there is a "witch hunt"- _that_ is slur and slander.
I don't think the mothership comment was in the spirit of the original question. By all accounts we are receiving from the government, these UAP are a maximum size of a football field (likely just what Americans are used to comparing things to) and often less than a few metres across. I'm skeptical that astronomers would catch small near-earth objects... You seem to be thinking of a different class of object entirely. Further discussion on this would be much appreciated, Frasier! We're learning all the time, and it's amazing. Yet certainly our ignorance is vast.
Unidentified doesn't automatically mean "It's Aliens". They call them UFO/UAP for a reason. Otherwise they would just call them AFO.
But if that's the case, those that want to link multiple public budgets to fleece won't get access to big cars to drive....
They. Are. Here.
@@entity_unknown_ - What. Are. They?
@@darthex0, They could be human made or natural and be a threat. They could be ultra stealth aircraft from a hostile nation, (I doubt it.) They could be cat lasers from a hostile nation designed to confuse our defenses in a time of war. (I think this is more likely.) They could be cat lasers mounted on drones by practical jokers. (I think this is by far the most likely.)
@@entity_unknown_ Ha Ha Ha another good laugh. No context, no details, and absolutely NO facts. 100% click baiter look at the handle.
I agree with Fraser that the astronomy community is generally very open and that the US government is not enforcing a hard suppression of sightings of UFOs/UAP that could be alien spacecraft. However, particularly in the 1950's and 60's and maybe longer, there was a consistent effort by the US Air force to downplay and ignore such reports. The main reason was that it was thought that giving them credence would make the public think that the Air Force and Navy aircraft were Not in control of the skies over America. There was a degree of the condescending view that the American public might get hysterical about such fears.
Re current events, if an alien mothership did fly in front of a wide-angle space telescope or one of the big telescopes on Earth such as on Hawaii or Peru at a slow enough speed that a good, clear image was gotten, I concur with Fraser that the astronomers who got those images would probably pretty quickly and enthusiastically share them with both other astronomers And with the NY Times and CBS News or other major news sites. The government has no strict censorship of such and probably no censorship. The reasons why the first astronomers to see it might ponder and delay sharing it are, first, they would want to make absolutely sure that it was really an alien spaceship and not a stealth fighter jet or balloon or drone, and secondly, they would have some fear of being ridiculed. In other words, they might think that UFOs aren't what serious astronomers report on.
Another possible reason why alien spacecraft haven't been definitely spotted or recorded by astronomers, professional or amateur, is that the ship might be moving too fast on a near Earth trajectory for a good image to be had. Or, and this may sound like science fiction, but the aliens may have a technology that allows them to bend both optical light and radar waves such that they are invisible or the resulting image is so distorted that it no longer looks like a spacecraft.
They might be coming from the oceans, or from somewhere else outside our space-time.
It wouldn’t be the first time humanity has realized that reality is far broader and stranger than we once thought. There was a time when the world was just the sky and the earth. Then the Earth became round, yet firmly placed at the center of existence, with a ceiling of stars enclosing the universe. Then the ceiling was shattered, and the Earth was flung, spinning, into a boundless abyss. Matter, once believed to be made of four or five elements, revealed itself to be a vast microcosm of strange particles and waves, the depths of which we still do not fully understand. The world is also teeming with invisible living beings, and the nature of life turned out to be a wildly intricate molecular machinery. Nature is always showing us that the rabbit hole goes deeper.
The question of life on Mars, I think that it is unlikely that there is no microbial life there since microbes can survive very extreme conditions for a very long time.
Finding it is a different question.
On earth deep lived microbes, deep inside the earth . There is estimated 20 billion tons of microbes. So Mars could have similar. Mars internal temp is about 12,000 f, and for Mars to have water trapped deep inside is a. Possiblity. So I think you are right
TY Fraser. The inconsistencies in the expansion rate measurements isn't a crisis it's an opportunity. This 'crisis' will result in a deeper understanding.
Totally agree. Unfortunately the use of the word "crisis" has also been seen as an opportunity for those who wish to exploit the clickbait trend, which in turn has been used in a backlash against the credibility of the scientific process.
@@WizardofoOZeAU Yeah the use of the word crisis in the popular media does play directly to those who would, as you say, smear the credibility of the scientific process.
@@WizardofoOZeAU The word 'crisis' in this context precedes the internet; it is not a clickbait phenomena.
@@jonlittle5032 Indeed. The large sheets placed outside of news stands with only the latest edition headlines in gigantic print were called "screamers" for pretty much the same reason. Clickbait is the sensationalist tabloid eye-grabber of the online era.
@@WizardofoOZeAU You assert the obvious but never make a point. I never said clickbait wasn'1 a thing. I said "crisis of astronomy" is not clickbait; it accurately reflects that two accurate but conflicting measurements that the theory cannot reconcile is a legitimate crisis.
Look, if aliens have figured out the "hyperspace" speed of light dilemma, they won't need spacecraft to get around.
don't bother - they guy is either clueless or just says it out of ignorance. He's explaining a straw-man i.e. why don't we see little green men in the grocery isle? - well of course because they don't exist.
If alien/army crafts use any advanced anti-gravity drives they are going to be undetected mid-flight unless you are specifically looking for their space-time signature, which nobody is, so it's no wonder no academic/amateur astronomer has spotted them.
This matches our observations. UAPs will often appear and disappear at random suggesting trans-dimensional travel. They've also been observed changing back and forth between plasma energy and physical objects.
@SailorRob nope. They wouldn't have to fly. Think of a wormhole transporter. They'd just appear at their destination. But they won't, because that's physically impossible.
I love your videos Fraser... best Space Science channel on RUclips!
It's one of the best for sur. Check out "Astrum" for what might be at least equally good Space Science channel on RUclips :) You'll like it.
You are correct about UAP's and coverups, but the current super-academic, multigenerational approach to "building the foundation for the case for life" elsewhere in our Solar System just leaves me cold. A few Hail Mary passes that could potentially revolutionize our knowledge in the short term are justified. A transparent adventure like this could reinvigorate public interest, and give those of us who witnessed first hand the first artificial satellite what we crave before we die.
Big fan man, keep em coming
Your astronomer argument is the same one I used for the health administration during Covid.
You cannot possibly believe that the 100s of thousands of Hospitals, clinics, doctors, nurses, insurers and multiple agencies are all conspiring to lie to you.!
@swapshots4427 lol. You only need the Top agency NIH to control all of the others and that is exactly what happened during the Plandemic
@swapshots4427 but also that doesn't mean that public institutions are always right.
The church succeeded in suppressing alternative worldviews in the middle ages. I imagine a bishop would have made the same argument about being a conspiracy to suppress the truth back then.
Not the same thing. The argument is only a tight group of people know the truth about alien visitations. The argument is not "all scientists are hiding the truth". This is not the Apollo Moon landing conspiracy.
No just the top people with access to the information. That's how it works. So many clueless people. They still believe their government is honest.😂
One difference of course was the government pandemic incentives to hospitals, with the effect of inflating case numbers and reported C19 "deaths" (i.e, "deaths with" vs. "deaths from"). Under this temporary data collection regime, Influenza apparently took an unprecedented vacation, and only resumed pre-pandemic amplitudes once the emergency pandemic rules were rescinded.
The thing about the Viking labeled release experiments that is annoying is that all the scientists approved of the protocol before it was deployed...and didn't get the results they thought it should. If it had found nothing they would not be claiming the experiment was bad. It is a poor scientist who discards or disregards data just because it doesn't match their preconceptions. They never could explain how abiotic chemistry could match the results; there was a control for that.
Well if they couldn't come up with a fitting model then they didn't just disregard the data, did they? They just have no idea what has happened. But having no idea is something different then 'Aliens!!!'
That Vatican astronomer is Brother Guy Consolmagno - my boss! He's one of the best orators on the planet!
I know that the Vatican has scientists and astronomers, but I bet they have a lot more and do a lot more than we know. Is there a website/resource where the public can see the scope of the work? Or is Archive the only place?
I don't trust his judgement. He always says in his videos he eats mcdonalds. :(
Dude, there are a lot of weird things flying around, over military bases, and the government says they don't know what these things are. At the same time, they say they are not a threat. Something very weird is going on.
and his answer based on this large assumption "that they are coming from outer space."
@@CodeWithDasun, Space aliens coming from Toledo Ohio!
Dude, of course they're not going to tell you about their new experimental drone. Or admid someone else's drone is flying over US soil.
@@joepverlaan575 Are they experimenting in other countries too?
Dude the black defense budget eats up 50B+ a year! I'd be annoyed if i DID NOT see strange things at night above area 51!
For the next Mars lander could they not just have a microscope on board, scoop up some soil and have a look to see if anything's wiggling around in it??
Haha no, don't be ridiculous.
@@illustriouschin It is not a ridiculous question, ignorance should not be ridiculed.
@@thearpox7873 I thought that satire. Obviously that's a simple thing, should have been done already.
The question is why haven't they already?
Could they? Yes of course. But it’s similar to looking for evidence of coin-currency usage on earth by picking up a random scoop of dirt and seeing if there are any coins in it. When you don’t find any, what do you conclude? No one used coins? or you looked in the wrong spot? They’re working on answering the questions in order… is it even possible, if so is it likely? If so where would it have been most likely.. etc. work through the steps first.
Thumbs up for the absence of blinking text in the intro 👍
You could never hide spacecraft approaching earth? But the WTF did we not notice Oumaumua until it was already leaving earth? That seems like a pretty big gap of seeing something that reportedly wasn’t even trying to hide.
It never entered Earth's atmosphere
@@ThatBoyBent Keep moving the goal posts much?
@@franklin519JRE is that way >
< 5th booster this way.
For the first answer: Essentially astronomy isn't a monolith. It's literally impossible to silence every astronomer around the world. That's why it's impossible to hide an actual alien visitation.
“There is no way you could hide the arrival of spacecraft.” 😅😅
Yes they can & Yes they are.
Could any life in the sample return kept in the rover die if not getting light for example if kept in sealed containers.
Can't stop the spread of information but the government will almost certainly deny
Interesting study recently trying to explain the acceleration of the universe without the use of dark matter and dark energy. The idea of timescape cosmology is that time advances slower in areas with high gravitation and faster in a void that has less gravity. The hypothesis is that as the universe expands, the voids become larger and this is the reason for the apparent acceleration of the universe as we look back in time/distance.
The study was released by an astronomy team from the University of Canterbury and the German University of Heidelberg. It will be interesting to see if this has validity with further study.
I wish I could express my delight as an old ex-scientist when I see you have posted something new. I want express my deep gratitude.
Here's a question: how does jwst stay in L2 orbit and is the depiction in the animation, really how objects orbit the Lagrange points or do thrusters make that happen? Btw i really wish 🤞 you made more of these q&a shows ...im addicted
i am going to have to start watching again! 👍🏼
Hi Fraser, do you think Mars has already become 'infected' by Earth bacteria (on the rovers etc) as it looks like its impossible to have a clean spacecraft?
Even if astronomers could be forbidden to talk about a discovery, I think they are the kind of people where there would always be some who would just ignore it and share the news anyway.
I have a question: so we know that you can make things move by using a solar sail, so light can make things move. Could the increasing expansion of the universe be explained by the energy that star light give of to all matter? It would take extremely long, but over billions of years could it be possible that star light pushes everything away from each other?
If, at the beginning of the universe, the Bohr Radius, the distance between the nucleus of an atom and its electron were set to not zero,but something close, would that explain why the universe was so dense? No opposition within atoms. I have seen videos where they explain the relative enormous distance within an atom.
Life is everywhere 💪
the great attractor event seems to be an observable universe wide event..new data shows that the expansion of the universes actually inversely influenced by hyper-massive great attractor mass types and may not be what has been thought.
About 09:00 f
Interestingly, I once read about someone saying that the structures which look like dried out rivers once not carried water but liquid Carbon dioxide in order to damp the excitation about it.
However, if water can hardly be liquid because of low pressure, even less so can Carbon dioxide, so this statement kind of debunks itself.
Measuring how fast galaxies are moving away from one another tells you absolutely nothing about the rate of the universe expansion. At all.
So multiple aliens ships travel light years to get to earth only to crash. 😂
@@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245 what if they are created here ?
Every ship needs a test flight. And anything running on electricity probably can be hit with an EMP
If they have ships that can bumble into earth, they certainly have telescopes with the power that make any visit..Completely Redundant
Gifted in the form of a staged crash - “ you made a nuke , try work this out” hence recoveries out in desert near military bases. The small greys may be biological robots and “ expendable “
Very close minded mindset for somebody who apparently is a science fan
Scientific community is god damn trash it's unbelievable
I feel the conspiracy doesn't happen in science, but in the engineering used to apply that science in a cost effective manner on a large scale for the militaries various purposes. like sure, the government is hiding things from you but its probably things like the exact specs of their various equipment and not " oh we had antigravity the whole time"
QUESTION.????
Wait, What- "We are moving away from the great attractor" ..?????
But evrytime anyone else mention T G A it's always in relation to how we are moving towards it, in great speeds and one day "arrive" there.
Please Fraser do explain that in much more details, or perhaps do one of your excellent interviews with a excerpt in that field..
I'm quite confused now 😄
We're moving away from everything that's more than 3 million light-years away.
@frasercain ... could Timescapes change that if it's found true?
No, that’s something that affects the expansion of the universe hundreds of millions of light years away
@@frasercain 3 million light years is just a bit less than 1 megaparsec, across which spacetime expansion (the Hubble "constant") amounts to just a ~70 km/s effective separation velocity. So, if we're moving toward something (like the Great Attractor) at let's say 1000 km/s, then we're still getting closer to it over time, even if it's up to 48 million light years away. The problem with the Great Attractor specifically, is that it's 150 million light years distant, so that our movement toward it isn't fast enough to overcome the cumulative rate of spacetime expansion between it and us (to reach it eventually, we'd need to be moving toward it a bit more than 3× faster than we are currently.)
@@frasercain Yes that's what the segment was all about, i get that, and sort of understand the expansion of the univers . What I don't understand is that it's always said that we are moving towards it and will arrive at some point of time, not away from it..
Thanks for your comment thou Frasier ..
Every time Fraser has to say Uranus lol.
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I don’t particularly buy into the idea that we know (definitively) the exact “brightness” of all of those “standard candles”, or their specific mass.
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I don’t think that “time” necessarily “works exactly the same” in all locations across this immense universe… and therefore the “speed of light” , as a tool to accurately measure distance… seems a little dubious to me as well.
The process of a type 1a supernova is physics (a star gets bigger and bigger as it eats its companion star, until its mass exceeds its ability to radiate enough to resist its gravity) it's pretty certain
Doesn't time tick faster in voids than in matter rich areas like galaxy clusters?
No tattoos, not nose ring, no guitar in background .... what's not to like?
Eh? Explain?
How can Willow chip operate across multiverses? And what are the pros and cons of this? Thanks in advance.
Hey Fraser, has the hype around jwst reduced? We don't hear much about discoveries, breakthroughs nowadays.
Thank you!
I doubt that interstellar ships would travel in a normal way, that would take ages. It’s more likely that they’d pop out of warp/hyperspace close to the destination. They might have stealth tech too.
There’re stories of craft emerging from the oceans too, so looking up may be the wrong direction.
"It’s more likely that they’d pop out of warp/hyperspace close to the destination."
Try reading less science fiction and more science. (And before you point to the Alcubierre drive: it's not clear at all if that could ever lead to superluminal speeds, there is lots of unsubstantiated hype around it.)
@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 Is that the science of just 100 years ago when the scientists of the day were saying flight was impossible
@@-V-K- No, that's modern science says. Again: Try reading less science fiction and more science.
@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 You left out my previous sentence, which is rooted in scientific fact. As travelling normally would take ages, that only leaves an exotic form of locomotion which we haven't discovered yet and can only imagine.
You make it sound bad to have an imagination, making you somebody I wouldn't/don't enjoy talking to.
@@UnChannelDuVulpineX If left out your previous sentence because I agreed with it, so there was no need to comment on it.
"As travelling normally would take ages, that only leaves an exotic form of locomotion which we haven't discovered yet and can only imagine."
??? And you ignore the possibility that such an exotic form simply could not exist?
"You make it sound bad to have an imagination"
One can dream, there is no problem with that. As long as one is aware that one is dreaming.
Hubble tension? It's large scale structures surfing on the Jaws of gravity waves. 100%. ??
Awesome as always ❤
If you are a piece of a plant, how does the growth of the plant around you look like?
"Information is power", and in my opinion todays society value power over truth. It is ridiculous to discount the possibility that people have not nor will not hold back information to further their position or standing in the field they study. Categorical denial of opinions when history has show us that humans have done that since recorded history is a weak position in discussion... I could be wrong though.
In science usually anyone holding information back loses credit to those that release it. Usually if information is withheld it's not scientists for prestige it's everybody else who don't like scientists forcing them to be silent. What Fraser was getting at is there is so much unofficial and informal communication within the astronomy sphere that suppressing info on ETs there is impossible.
How would it be physically possible to hide this? How could it be covered up? The steps required to cover it up would be ludicrous. Yes some would WANT to cover it up but doing it would be impossible.
@@jayaroh4378How about you study the field a bit... There are numerous ways to make somebody quiet. Or destroy the reputation of a person. Or deny a person in the know has ever worked with an organization which knows the truth.
Black projects, etc... One can buy a person's silence just by ordering if the person's are serving and have to follow orders.
@@jayaroh4378 I'm not sure what you are referring to when you state "... to hide this... how could 'it' be covered up?". My post was a reaction to the words "ridiculous" and the phrase "discount the possibility", and my reply to you is because of the words "ludicrous" and "impossible". Anyone who claims things are 'impossible' or someone is wrong when there is no evidence either way on a subject clearly doesn't understand the concept of science based evidence. It is always a good idea to keep an open mind and follow the facts where there are some. Sure have a strong opinion on something, but people who have a different opinion are not wrong unless facts back their hypothesis.
@@Sports_PhotographerPeople say "be open minded" as an excuse to discount reality and the knowledge we have accumulated. Keeping an open mind is how people become incels or loose their life savings in crypto. Reality is reality if you have extraordinary claims you must have extraordinary proof verified by a credible source. Not everyone deserves to be taken seriously on topics they aren't experts in.
Thanks for the info! As a child, I read Hoyle's Frontiers of Astronomy. In the '80s I read Hartmann's Astronomy A Cosmic Journey . What current book would you recommend to cover all of astronomy?
Although the forces at work that are responsible for intergalactic inflation have not yet been worked out, it is reassuring that simply because that force DOES have some measurable effect in our universe, that we will be able to figure it out. Imagine how terrible it would be if we finally had to resign ourselves to never being able to know how it all works (3 Body anybody?) then again at the rate we are tearing through all the tough ones asked by people as far back as the ancient Greeks while taking a bath maybe knowing all of it destroys the mystery, there is something to be said for not knowing....
0:37 With emphasis on "regular." If a civilization is advanced enough to get here, surely they are advanced enough to hide from our petty, primitive technology.
Guys by the time astronomers had noticed Oamuamua it had virtually bitten us on the ass, so the idea you are all seeing is stretching it a little & maybe not a good example to use
Is it more correct to say distant galaxies are moving away from us, or that the distance is increasing?
It makes no difference.
@@user-pf5xq3lq8i Yes, sport, it does. Please let more knowledgeable people answer the question.
@@user-pf5xq3lq8i Actually, it does.
Yes, it does.
What is your opinion on: the Graviton makes up the quantum foam.
And it is a byproduct of cosmic interactions.
This to me, is mindbending. But then, so is Gravity.
Saying that this or that object is moving away (from us) as a result of cosmic expansion seems to gloss over the truth. Yes, expansion increases distances but actual movement can as well. Can we talk about the rate of Andromeda's approach to the Milky Way in the context of cosmic expansion? Without the effect of expansion, won't Andromeda intersect with the Milky Way sooner?
The one grain of truth in the "not looking for life" thing is that the Martian rovers were not allowed to land at or go to the recurring slope lineae or other sites were liquid water might be possible. That was for planetary protection reasons, the rovers are not sterile and so we wouldn't want them to possibly "seed" a place where Earth life might have a shot at surviving.
I think the planetary protection regime is going to cost us much progress without some serious pushback. Any lifeforms found on Mars would be uniquely shaped by the environment there over eons, and any doubts posed by an initial detection can be followed by new tests asking different and more direct questions.
@@DrMackSplackem It definitely made sample return go crazy complicated and expensive.
@ I kind of get it from a perspective of extreme conservatism or the appearance of, but some of the arguments for are reaching towards animism or similar.
So mathematically, on paper, we can reverse time and create a theoretical white hole. If we reverse time, would gravity also reverse? If we are a part of the "great attractor" how would you explain the mechanism by which these galaxies are now moving away from the "great repulsor" as they had previously been further away in the past? Thanks for your time and thoughts good sir!
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Hey Fraser. Any chance you could start saying the date of the show at the start? Listening on Spotify stream while working rather than RUclips there's no context to when the information is relevant. No problem for scientific principles but things like space missions or astronomy it can matter. Cheers mate!
Dr. Stone season 4 has started, just wanted to let you know Fraser 😊
When do you think we will discover the first intergalactic object?
The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August by Catherine Webb
I couldn't put it down, and I've been a huge sci-fi fan for 50+ years.
I love good sci-fi, but am not a fan of stories without character development, or of ideas that are grotesque. I’ll have to look this book up, but if anyone reading this has suggestions on things that are wonderful but not downers (space opera can be fun too) I would be thankful if you share. :). And just to share a very silly popcorn-fun read, Timothy Zahn’s Quadrail series is exactly that. Good clean fun, you could call it- if you can get past the juxtaposition of a film noir-esque mystery-on-a-train vibe combined with space adventure.
We can spend trillions on killing life here on earth, but we can't afford missions to see if we have life around us in the galaxy and universe.
If you are right about UFO's then we have nothing to worry about, but if you are wrong, we have everything to worry about.
That's not correct. If we were in fact being visited by aliens for the last hundred years we would know they aren't interested in hurting us, aren't interested in taking from us
There's no apparent risk regardless of whether there are or aren't UFOs
Hi again, Fraser. This isn’t a science question, but I’m curious to hear your thoughts on Trump’s suggestion about Canada becoming the 51st state of America.
I'll pass. But we'd be glad to add a few states to Canada if they're looking to leave.
We are merely flirting with the great attractor. The great attractor flirts with many others, however, so we are unlikely to hook up with it.
Would those surveys catch a ship painted with vantablack or similar? I suppose orbital IR telescopes might see it and the radar networks might but it wouldn't be impossible to have a low emission and high scattering vehicle if you were trying. Not that I think such things are coming and going, I really don't; It just seems odd to ignore the possibility like it doesn't exist. We use stealth technology, after all.
The search for life is going to be slow. No easy answer as we only know the nature of life on Earth.
We will never reach The Great Attractor. Never
Correct, never.
I've heard that light is a photon, how true is this and is it a particle?
You will never detect the Alien ship by looking into space. They can materialize their ships anywhere in the world. Whoever watched the movie, the arrival of the Alien ship simply appeared and left, simply disappearing like smoke. The Alien ship works exactly like this. It can appear, become physical for everyone to see, disappear in a matter of seconds, jump to another dimension or place. Current science would have to throw all its current knowledge in the trash to understand the science behind the Alien technology.
"Trust the science"
"We can't check the viking landers experiment"
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Ppl are too accepting of the time spans, yeah it takes time but an over 50 year wait for another Viking life testing type mission is ridiculous. I thought finding life was the most important question we need to answer?
I just wanted to say , remember when there was evidence that another specie's land and communicated with gov officials many years ago. So wouldn't they tell the people now of such contacts. So why would they today not hide this. Just my opinion
Scientific community and govt are to very different groups
Great questions
It is a good laugh for me whenever the alien conspiracy stuff hits the web. I have two friends who believe all the conspiracies and they don't talk to me about it all anymore why, I asked them why all the aliens choose North America to leave their footprints and detritus and why they chose North America from the other side of the Galaxy and not somewhere equally civilised. No response just like in Space.
There’s sightings all over the world lmao
Astronomy would appear to have a spectrum. One end is as you describe, a vibrant community with large numbers of open participation, your example of Oumuamua is perfect for this end of the spectrum. The other end has a completely different character dominated by highly specialised equipment and convoluted scientific theories with many assumptions, these are areas where often no one involved really understands the complete picture, only their jigsaw piece. My level of trust in the scientific output goes from a maximum at the former end to a minimum at the later end of the spectrum. Conspiracy, group think or motivated reasoning which is highly unlikely at one becomes quite plausible at the other.
"convoluted scientific theories with many assumptions"
For example? Do you mean the Big Bang theory? That does not have "many assumptions".
> no one involved really understands the complete picture, only their jigsaw piece
I think you're projecting
@@spoddie I think you're psychologising.
@@aeronsongerson2416 yeah, you don't like science stuff
@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 I replied with a link to a longer conversation about this with grok, I guess youtube didn't like that and deleted it.
Astronomers don't need UAP censorship imposed upon them. They impose it on themselves with ridicule, shame, and the threat of losing professional opportunities. Literally the same tactics the Navy and Air Force are now disclosing via whistleblowers. It's not a stupid topic, but treating it like it's stupid automatically silences anyone with too much pride and sensitivity to be willing to risk being seen as stupid. It's not mysterious or complicated.
"They impose it on themselves with ridicule, shame, and the threat of losing professional opportunities."
Nonsense. Astronomers would _love_ to find aliens.
This is exactly how it works. Self censorship. The fear of losing ones reputation is real. Also the fear of losing funding plays a major role. Anyone saying otherwise is either ignorant or lying.
Hopefully the topic is slowly becoming legit. Just look at how it only took one real article from the NYT in 2017 to change the attitude towards the topic.
@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 Avi Loeb would beg to differ ..
Yall must not really be looking then. We already found life a long time ago. It's just been covered up.@@bjornfeuerbacher5514
@@Souljourney22 By whom was it covered up? And if it was covered up, why do _you_ know about it?
They're not coming from space brother.
They're coming from our oceans.
Good point, could be an old outpost or something else.
Or high-surface pressure ETs prefer it there?
What if the aliens come from behind the Sun to disguise the braking phase, then skim as close as their ship can handle and approach Earth with an active thermal dissipation shield in the front that matches the blackbody signal of the Sun from Earth's perspective at that distance, with any excess heat dissipated in collimated beams to the sides; timed the arrival to noon over Point Nemo, deployed ablative heatshield to match the signature of an asteroid; then after the splashdown switched to submarine mode and made contact with one of the secret nuk subs?
Maybe outgassing in the front some helium and hydrogen to spectrally approximate the Sun's signal; and the excess heat doesn't have to be strictly colimated, a hollow cone with Earth in it's shadow would suffice.
Just curious did you actually mean Uranus or did you mean Europa? Lol just asking at 10:15
There is no way they could hide themselves? How could you say that. Definitely a nonzero possibility that advanced ET would have the ability to cloak themselves.
I wouldn't say unwanted. For those of us who are original to this land, they're the Native Americans Ancestors.😊
They're looking for us.
Im still upset that i was mandella effected from a universe where i was part of the saggitarius arm of a four armed non-barred spiral galaxy with relatively clean arms in to a universe where we are on the orion spur of the saggitarius arm of a barred probbably 2 or 3 armed galaxy with shreddy messy arms.
One of the larger overall ones in my pinion. But alas! Cest la vie!
To the 1st, I would have to say it is very possible, other than obvious of them really showing up. But National security is well known for its ability to silence and threaten and all that. And don't forget psyops as well.
Is there any patch of sky that is actually empty and black? It seems with more powerful telescopes, we just see more in the once-was-darkness
@@rugsthreecrows3697 indeed the answer is no. No dark. Deep field was the first observation of an empty spot on the sky and it wasn't empty at all
The whole point of the Hubble Deep Field was to stare at a part of the sky that looked completely empty for hundreds of hours. In the end, they discovered over 100,000 galaxies in that tiny spot. The longer you look, the more you see.
If an alien had , a microwave oven of elevnty-fitrh septgintwillion Watts, would it act like mass? Does dark matter, have to be mass, or would even weirdly constrained photons, (see microwave oven) be called mass in the circumstances?
Ufo secret is like WD-40's secret ingredients
Is it possible that the way the laws of physics fell out of the Big Bang is the only way they could have fallen out? It seems to me that the laws of physics should be multi Universal. Has anyone tried to derive different laws of physics from different numbers if that's not a stupid question?
We couldn’t be here to ask the question if the laws of physics were different. Atoms might not be stable or gravity would be too strong.
The "laws of physics" are nothing more than predictive models made by humans. They say more about us than objective reality. Look to history at Greek elements, geocentrism, aether, etc. Even now we famously can't reconcile relativity with quantum mechanics. Concepts like dark matter, dark energy, and non-local causality cast doubt on both. We still use those models because they're the best tools we have to make predictions and expand our understanding of the universe, but we shouldn't make the mistake of thinking there are actually particles with charge and spin out there, or waves propagating through a vacuum. Donald Hoffman makes an even stronger version of this argument.
not finding the book club link?
Sorry, here it is: www.goodreads.com/group/show/1198440-universe-today-book-club
Not as long as there is photoshop, they will keep coming
right
Or bad electronics in the night vision and thermographic cameras that many confuse for actual video.
Tip top 🔝
Yet your assuming astronomy will even see them. If they have tech to get here then what makes u think we would even see them coming in.
The STIGMA is the censor.
i think the next big bang will happen when he arrive at the great attractor.
wont andromeda merge with the milky way?
Yup
We will never reach the great attractor... i kind of wonder what speed our galaxy would be moving at as we came near to it though... after all just like an ice skater pulling their arms in the cliser we got to it the faster we would be going.
Really, because we are constantly looking is the reason they couldnt get here unseen. Im out.
Amateur astronomy is called "amateur" not because it implies a lack of professionalism, but because the term amateur originates from the Latin word amator, meaning "lover" or "enthusiast." Amateur astronomers are individuals who pursue the study of astronomy out of passion and personal interest, rather than as a paid profession.
To quote Ave Loeb “A very common flaw of astronomers is to believe that they know the truth even when data is scarce,”
From the outside it looks like if someone gets out of line, they’re attacked relentlessly (Avi Loeb)
Yah that happens too. There are always "minions of orthodoxy" in any human endeavor.
Avi Loeb is not attacked because he is looking for life, but due to his sloppy methods and his constant running to the press for blurting out his unsubstantiated assertions.
@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 and one of those "minions of orthodoxy" shows up at the mere mention, dropping slurs and slander with all the unbased accusation of a classic witch-hunt.
@@animistchannel What I wrote was not slur and slander. What _you_ write here, calling me a "minion of orthodoxy" and claiming that there is a "witch hunt"- _that_ is slur and slander.
why do you people keep slobberring over grifters. have some self respect.
Just a pic of Venus
I don't think the mothership comment was in the spirit of the original question. By all accounts we are receiving from the government, these UAP are a maximum size of a football field (likely just what Americans are used to comparing things to) and often less than a few metres across.
I'm skeptical that astronomers would catch small near-earth objects... You seem to be thinking of a different class of object entirely. Further discussion on this would be much appreciated, Frasier!
We're learning all the time, and it's amazing. Yet certainly our ignorance is vast.