''Seeing Me Be a Lawyer Makes You Sick'' | Suits
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- Mike works on another case as he awaits word on his own fate. When Gibbs finds out, she freaks out and tries to convince the judge to delay the case until Mike's jury comes back: ''Ms. Gibbs, he may be a fraud in your court, but since he hasn't been convicted of anything, he isn't one in mine.''
Do you think it is possible to continue practising law when you are accused of fraud?
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Do you think it is possible to continue practising law when you are accused of fraud?
In the US, it's possible, but it will likely lead to an investigation and a hearing before the Bar of that person's state.
While accused, yes. After being found guilty of fraud, no. Furthermore, if Mike loses this case, and loses his fraud case, the defendant has a great grounds for the case to be ruled a mistrial or appealed on the grounds of incompetent representation. Gibbs is entirely too bound up in her feelings against what was once Pearson-Hardman, and should be relieved.
Yes
In general, the only thing that should truly matter for a given role, is your ability to execute as per the terms of your contract, or your responsibility to a given client. If the client is willing to hire a provider and considers them the best of available options, then so be it.
you can. and in real life gibbs would be dismissed from practicing law because she is trying to prove that mike is a fraud by blackmailing the Firm
It's amazing how one secret destroyed so many lives, it destroyed the firm, it destroyed Scottie and Harvey's relationship, Jessica and her boyfriend's relationship, and Sheila and Louis's relationship.
AGREEEEE. Which I finally understood why Mike decided to go to prison.
Waoh! Just one!!
Dont lie people...
It wrecked Louis' relationship with Tara, not Sheila.
Why is that secret so important anyways? All it breaks is bureaucracy - so why's everyone so emotional about it?
He won the case too, I’d love to have seen her reaction to that news
Yes but what I understood was Mike is really smart but in the end he didn't trust the system.
I think going to jail was one of the best things to happen to him.
@@addi109 He did it to protect Harvey and the firm.
@@addi109 The system would not have worked. He broke the law and they were going to find him innocent.
@@henrypeters5291The jury knew he was guilty, but because of the faith of human kindness and talent they saw in him, they found him innocent. Sounds like the system worked to me.
- Hey Mike I need you to take this test for me
- No way
[Credits]
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Seeing mike going to jail made me cry. Its very sad. He owned the courts. He is a perfect balance on how a lawyer should be, he finds loop holes to make million dollar deals happen and also fights for the needy.
Harvey might be a better lawyer but mike is a better person.
He deserves to go to jail he IS a fraud.
He'd be a fraud if he didn't know what he was doing.
@@pepesilvia3827 no he's a fraud if he's not qualified. Which he's not.
@@jameslyon2338 "Qualified." Do you consider that to mean in possession of the requisite knowledge, or in possession of the required certificate? Go a little deeper. As far as I can glean, by this point in the show he is entirely qualified, the problem is he is entirely _uncertified._ No?
@@pepesilvia3827 same difference. He has no degree, no qualification. He has no bar number, no certification. He's a fraud without them.
The irony. Not only did she not win the case but she didnt even get to put him away he volunteered
Anita Gibbs was really an underrated character. She made an appearance with some of the most power pact dialogues that were either savage or pure facts. Try to see through her eyes and you’ll be impressed too
Anita gibbs and Andrew malik
Underrated yet most most impactful "villains" of suits
@@harjassingh1351 ugh are you unaware of Travis Tanner?
Fun fact: she played Jack Bauer's wife.
And, like most of the other characters on this Show, she would Also be disbarred for her actions.
@@buzzerbeater37 Anita Gibbs is much better than Travis Tanner.
Imagine Mike actually went to Harvard, there’d be no point in the entire show
He never could have gone to Harvard, but he easily could have gone to any other law school and become a legit lawyer. He chose not to because cheating and selling drugs was much easier.
@@jameslyon2338 Nope. You need 2 go to college.
Imagine Harvey didn't pick him
imagine rick sorkin was there
@@alanario3738 loool they should make a spin-off just for him
This woman must have a sad life outside of work😂
I wouldn't go that far, he IS a fraud. She is just chasing justice.
@@jameslyon2338 is justice always everything?
And that is not what she is chasing. She's just trying to stick it to Harvey.
@@muscular_ninja the thing is v support Mike bcz v see the show mostly from his perspective. Imagine seeing the show from her perspective nd ul find out that she is doing what is expected of her.
clearly SHES doing her job. Man like you will never understand what justice is and what ROLES they do.
@@jameslyon2338 what justice?
The actor for that woman is amazing. You really hated her character despite it just been a TV show
She was in this show in the 90s called Early Edition about a guy who got tomorrow's newspaper today and saved lives. She was a reporter trying to uncover his secret. Had the same kind of, no nonsense, "I'm gonna get to the bottom of this", one way or another. But of course much younger and not as powerful in that show.
I loved this part of the series where mike was practically fighting for his freedom. Only thing I hated was the obvious prejudice of Gibbs that any judge would be able to spot out or even juror😂she hated mike despite him being an amazing lawyer regardless of having a masters. Also to be fair all the time he had spent at the firm under Harvey really is all the teaching and mentorship he needed.
I don't think there's any rule requiring the prosecutor to be impartial. That's just the jury.
Fact of the matter is the show made it impossible for Mike to never get caught.
Not only did it say he was caught selling tests, but he was caught selling tests to a dean’s daughter.
If it was just any student it coulda blown over and dude could have attended school later or even attended school in secret while working at Pearson Spector, but the deans daughter thing made it impossible.
and i am sure dean's daughter got off scot- free!
Once he got admitted to the bar, that should have been the series finale
It's a shame though that no law firm worth its salt would hire anyone without a law degree, even though it's very possible to learn on your own and pass the bar exam. But like so many other things, if you don't "buy in" you're not wanted
0:02 I love the fact that she just walked in as if nothing has happened. The Greedy Aunt always has a reason to get something on everyone. Just walking in this stuff is crazy.
She might be my favorite adversary for Mike.
i absolutely agree. although litt or anyone else coming for mike, she did it well and professional
@@liquidmarine she gets absoulutely destroyed
The way I see it, Mike's main enemy was not Trevor, Logan or even Gallo. It was Gibbs.
She said it, it was hard for her to fight him and so was for Mike
The judge in this case is a real one
People say that Anita Gibbs wasn't up to it, but I think she is fantastic. The hands got tied behind her back so to speak, when Sheila got send to Argentina, she had no star witness, Jessica's boyfriend, Jeff Malone asked Mike to destroy letters before the subpoenas came in.
Anita Gibbs is a fantastic character and this Leslie Hope played her amazingly!
Mike why would you that! You were gonna be proven not guilty!!
It will change his mind😂. Don’t get it personal, just kidding
@@nazarkenesov8985 😂😂
@@nazarkenesov8985 Lol
@@IIIISai what’s up
@@nazarkenesov8985 it was just a funny comment that's all 😂
Whatever happened to her? Mike was found out, went to jail, and got released, and he kept practicing law, both in New York and Seattle. Does she still feel the same way, or did she drop her feelings? I'm just curious.
At last she's kinda the reason why Mike is even able to practice law😂
She tried to stop him by the bar but in the end she voted to allow him to practice law in the end because of Jessica Pearson
@@ZAKI-ze9ux Huh, that's a nice wrap up.
@@mirroughs7729 except she got Jessica disbarred with her stunt on the Bar.
he passed the character fitness part of the bar by end of season 6 and now is a lawyer with a bar number. not a fraud anymore
Imagine a world where people in power can’t act as gatekeepers to the poor by using a credential system to exclude anyone who cannot afford the degree. Mike is as capable (more so, really) than the attorney going after him, and she readily admits it. The only thing she doesn’t like, is that he isn’t in the club. The state bar association is a joke, especially in New York, where they allow Alvin Bragg to make a joke if their profession.
To be fair he could have passed the bar without harvard and be a practicing attorney in 4 states including california and washington. You can pass the bar by "reading the law". It's just that he wanted to fake his way into an elitist firm who hired only from harvard and which was practicing in new york
Funny enough there's more than 1 state he could have just got his license in with out law school
@@tatkkyo9911yeah, but he wouldn’t have gotten to work at Pearson Spector because he still wouldn’t have gone to Harvard. Still could have been a lawyer of course, but for the sake of the story, that isn’t enough for Mike.
Harvey should have hired Mike Ross as a Law Special Consultant or something.
He could have been a paralegal.
Literally would have saved us seasons worth of drama
@@phrophetsamgames It wouldn't have been in line with Harvey's character to do that.
Should register with those online law schools.
Sad thing is Mike IS a criminal. He repeatedly was committing crimes before and even during being a lawyer, along with that part itself. He was the protagonist but his regular criminal activity wasn't exactly a great endearment.
He was a better lawyer than the ones that have an actual degree. The only people who are actually on his level are Harvey, Louis, and Jessica.
@@BattleBondGamer Oh no he’s (at least in the show) a fantastic lawyer and probably a better person than a lot that do follow the law.
But he did still break the law repeatedly.
Yes he is. And remember criminality is objective to the society. If you are competent but you are not up to standard of the society, you are excluded. It's like you are a lawyer in your country, but come to mine where the law is different, you are not a lawyer at all. It's subjective. Like that one psychotherapist helping the king in The King's Speech.
His other crimes were irrelevant to his case
Ge is and Harvey and in the end the whole firm colluded with him. Mike wouldnt have been able to do it without Harvey breaking the law first
Ms. Gibbs has beautiful eyes.
Agreed! And I say more, she has a beautiful face as well!
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And a black soul.
@@RenegadeShepTheSpacer That's right, bro! 😉
Mike shows over over again that he doesn't trust the system and he lost faith by making a deal to save his reputation and ego.
Nope, he made that deal to save Harvey and the rest of the firm from going to prison
Are you watching the same show? Mike went to jail for 2 years to save Harvey and everyone at the firm.
It wouldn’t have really mattered because Anita Gibbs probably would have just accused PSL of bribing or threatening the jury.
This Episode was under pressure and I love it without a doubt!!! 💗🙏😍👏👏👏😅
throughout American History no never needed a law degree to be a lawyer, pass the bar and you're allowed to argue in court, but if you don't ever go to court you don't even need that. How much you learn in school where you can't learn by reading up in a library, or apprenticing for a veteran attorney.
"Im objecting to the fact that this man is not a lawyer", so is she saying that he is? Im confused...
In my eyes, if you pass the bar, you're a lawyer. Abraham Lincoln taught himself Law, he turned out alright.
Technically he never passed the bar as himself.
So he is a fraud ?
At this point in the show, he never even sat for the bar exam. And it would have been impossible anyway, since the state of New York requires you to have demonstrably gone to law school in order to sit for it.
Come to think of it, how did he put his name in the roll of attorneys?
Intense mental duel
I don't understand. He passed the Bar Exam! How does that not make him a lawyer...
Even if you get a Masters or Doctor degree in Law, that does not make you a lawyer!
You have to pass the Bar Exam to become a Lawyer!
The problem is Lola hacked the bar and put his name in there. It was never really legit.
@@giselleali1979 She put his name into the Harvard records no? AFAIK he actually passed the bar legitimately before first episode
@@Turtle1631991 she did it for both Harvard and the NY Law Bar Association also. Rewatch and you will see.
@@Turtle1631991 I think he passed the bar for someone else but he never passed the bar under his own name.
New york requires you to have at least had some law school experience
this man really didnt deserve mike help on so many level
The whole premise of this show is hypocritical. Mike's supposed to be this compassionate, never back-down, always fighting for the little guy character, but the only reason he isn't a real lawyer to begin with is because the second it got tough (when he got kicked out of college during his bachelor's), he quit. He could have gone back to school at a different university, applyed for more scholarships, taken out loans, whatever necessary to finish and actually get into law school so he could be a lawyer, but he didn't do anything. He just got high and committed fraud.
It's not illegal to practice law without a degree. Anywhere in the US. Period.
In some jurisdictions a bar certification is required to practice law, and in most cases, previous education does not preclude a bar certification. One can easily obtain bar certification without a degree in almost ALL jurisdictions. In this particular case, the character is already bar certified in this scene (assumed from the line "my bar number is still valid"). That makes him a legally practicing lawyer in that state and jurisdiction.
In any case, not having bar certification would still not spark a criminal case against him, even for fraud. For that, someone has to press charges. The show has gone out of it's way to indicate his clients would never press charges. So the only case that woman could bring against him is a civil one and it would have no bearing on any other case he was working, even if she won.
This show is terrible.
He has a bar # cause someone hacked the system and made him one. He never actually passed the bar legally. Never went to law school, and never even graduated college.
@@stevesmith1383 I thought he had passed the bar as he stated it during his interview with Harvey?
@@jasonjavelin he didn’t do it as himself. He did it while pretending to be someone else.
You can’t take the Bar without requirements being met.
So Mike is smart enough to pass the Bar. He’s actually passed it many many times as he was charging people to pass it under their identity.
But he himself, as Mike Ross, has never passed it. He wouldn’t have been allowed to sit for it.
Actually new york does actually require you to have gone to law school not necessaruly have graduated since they allow "reading the law" but you still need to have gone
It's DEFINITELY illegal to practice law without having sat for the Bar Exam. Anywhere in the US. Period.
This is a crime called "Unlicensed Practice of a Profession." In the state of New York, it is NY ED Law 6512, a Class E Felony punishable by up to 4 years in prison. You unbelievable mook...
Mikes biggest mistake. He was going to be found not guilty.
Check out the YT video "The Practice: The Final Season (1/4) James Spader's Big Speech" where Alan Shore (James Spader) tells the jury what a lawyer is....
"This business is not an ethical arena."
"Every first year law student is taught 'Don't ever, EVER, equate Legal Ethics with Morality'. "
Does anyone else notice that gibbs is really bad in selling her story
I mean she constantly repeats herself "you're not a lawyer, you're a froad, you're not this you're that"
Thats super cheap and not convincing
Anita Gibbs vs Annalise Keating. 🤔😁😁😁
Ooooh I love that!😀
I dont get it, law school is supposed to prepare you for the bar, if you pass the bar without it why cant you be a lawyer? Passing law school without a passing the bar means you cant practice law so its obviously more important...
Law school is not the same thing as the bar. Law school just provides you with the education. The Bar Exam is where you are actually issued a license which allows you to legally practice the law in a given state. It certifies that not only are you competent, but that you also have registered with the state as a professional and agreed to be bound by certain ethical and professional standards. The general idea behind it is that way, you don't have random fraudsters and conmen claiming to be legal professionals in order to scam people or provide sub-par legal services. It's the same logic behind licensing people to be doctors, so as to avoid the general public being defrauded and hurt by two-bit snake-oil salesmen claiming to possess legitimate medical knowledge...
He is not licensed as an attorney yet he is practicing. All the comments below are incorrect or half-correct. No judge or authority would ever allow Mike Ross to continue practicing law under these circumstances.
I rly hâte mike and his naive personality and how he is easily influenced
for that hairstyle alone he should be sent away 😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
The "ME" you want me to look after.. Doesn't care about me..
She is an absolute "karen"
That wasn't an answer at best, deception to lead the client to believe a lie most likely and a lie at worst, Rachel.
OK maybe I missed something from the writers point of view. Mike has passed the bar so therefore he is a lawyer. Mike did not go to Harvard which may mean something for the firm he works at, but means nothing to being a lawyer. Have I missed something?
Not every place allows you to be a lawyer just because you pased the law in states like new york you need to have also gone to law school or having "read the law" and mike did neither of those things
He has NOT passed the bar at this point. He doesn't pass the bar until season 6 (which takes place about 2 years after this episode). He is committing a felony referred to as "Unlicensed Practice of a Profession."
Graduated or not, lawyers are the worst kind of human beings...
Make season 10 plz with existing team members
If Harvey had only NOT hired Mike to begin with, because Mike Ross was NOT a lawyer. But then, there would be no show to sell to the network …
well me seeing any lawyer makes me sick
What season is this?
Lawyer is only a title. If someone knows the law then why do they have to take the years and years of going to law school instead of just challenge the bar and get their lawyer degree that way? Or is it just society wanting everyone to spend over 100k to just get a degree?
Really.
What about you seeing me sickened. It doesn't bother you..
What happened to Mike Ross in his case is a fight between the establishment (the elite few) and ordinary people who exist for humanity.
Why didn't he just go to law school?
Imagine if this show were set in the United Kingdom, where barristers wear robes. They couldn't call it Suits!
I dont understand her issue, he took the bar to become a lawyer dosnt that make him a lawyer?
Some places you need to pass the bar and go to law school(or having "read the law")
He didn't go to Harvard, but he did pass the bar making him a lawyer surly?
He hasn't actually passed the bar. Someone hacked the system and got him a bar #.
He has actually sat for the test and passed it....multiple times. He used to help people cheat so they would pay him to pretend to be them and take the test.
But he himself has never legally taken it, nor is he eligible to take it.
@@stevesmith1383o he did pass the bar. He did it when a kid at colledge bet him he couldnt pass it. He just didn't go to Harvard or law school
@@rosies14 he passed the bar under a fake identity. You can’t just show up to take the bar. There are requirements.
Just like you can’t just show up to take a CPA exam for Certified Accountants.
Not every place allows you to be a lawyer just because you pased the law in states like new york you need to have also gone to law school or having "read the law" and mike did neither of those things
Seems you can still be President ! :)
She will always be Teri Bauer.
She is a bad police women
I'm slow, but I though if you pass the bar exam you're legally a lawyer. Not going to Harvard isn't a crime. This show didn't make any sense to me.
that doesnt apply everywhere in some places you need to go to law school and pass the bar
He didn't pass the bar under his own name, he took it for other people. So he's practicing illegaly
Gosh I hated the character of Anita Gibbs. Amazing acting 👏
Innocent until proven guilty
It is what it is, I think the show shows, it is not fair, for those who go to law school, study hard for four or five years to succeed, be left with crippling student debts, and then have someone who has the same rewards with no such effort, it's not fair,
Student debts don’t really apply to rich kids which is a majority of Harvard students
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literally the only reason i have netflix is because of this show.