Thank You again for giving me a place to enjoy my aviation geek addiction! I thoroughly enjoy your works of art and you have such a pleasant speaking voice. Cheers!
I flew one of these last year from Perth to Broome. I thought it a great aircraft with lots of legroom. They are very popular for flights to and from regional airports in Western Australia and mining sites.
Alliance, Virgin Regional, Skippers and Network all run these out of Perth on fly-in-fly-out (FIFO) work runs to this day. Cheap to run, able to get into relatively short strips in the heat of Australia's North West
The narration made it sound like only the F70 inherited the clam shell speedbrake in the tailcone from the F28. In fact both the F100 and F70 had the same speedbrake configuration. The F100 was the first jet in my airline career. I spent many hours on the type observing on CofA and post maintenance flight tests, maintenance troubleshooting check flights and positioning flights when I was AirUK/KLM uk's Flight Test Engineer 1999-2003. It was also the first jet I cut my teeth on with Flight Data Monitoring. It was a very well designed aircraft. The "dark cockpit" design of the flight deck was impressive. Like any aircraft it had its foibles. I remember that the 2 wheel air cycle machine ECS packs were from the F28 and weren't up to it on a hot summers day with with the aircraft full of passengers waiting to depart the D pier at Amsterdam Schiphol. It was a joy for the pilots to fly and me to observe on as a Flight Test Engineer. By the way there was a modification to the thrust reversers after the accident when one deployed in flight. It involved the fitting of a cable from each thrust reverser mechanism to the associated thrust lever on the centre pedestalon the flight deck, so if a reverser did operate in flight it slammed shut the corresponding thrust lever.
Glad I got to fly on one of these before being retired by KLM back in 2012. Remember thinking at the time that the 717 seemed like a spiritual successor to it. There’s another plane that has been under-used. Flying between the Hawaiian islands the 717 always felt like a consumer fighter jet the way it zipped up and down to and from cruising altitude.
Once again very good insight of how these planes were built to cope with passengers and to provide better long distance travel and comfortable seats that most passengers would rely on. My understanding is that how these aircraft changed aviation and were designed to be as reliable and very efficient.
Plenty of the Fokker 100 still fly daily in Australia and they are still one of the quietest aircraft flying in and out of Perth Airport in Western Australia to various airports/airstrips in Western Australia. Alas, they have not much longer in service with the Qantas order for Airbus A220's and already seeing replacement by Airbus 320's by Qantaslink and Virgin Regional.
An important fact that not much people know about the downfall of Fokker is that the upper managment of Fokker had aquired greedy untouchable contracts so that they couldn't be fired. Fokker had become topheavy. DASA one of the precursors of Airbus tried to correct this but failed. Thats one of the reasons why Daimler Benz had no choice then to pull the plug on Fokker. The enginering.maintenance and parts manufacturing part of Fokker is still alive and kicking. Designing and fabricating parts for military and mostly Airbus aircraft.
Excellent video. Though I believe Short Brothers was sold by the UK government to Bombardier in 1989. Ergo it must have been Bombardier who stopped wing production for Fokker. This makes sense as they were a competitor. Bombardier sold Shorts to Spirit in 2019. Fortunately Shorts in Belfast are still in business and amongst other thinks they make the wings for the Airbus A220.
In Australia alliance airlines maitain a fleet of 14 Fokker 70lr and 25 Fokker 100. They wet hired them to both Qantas and Virgin
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The Fokker 100 was one of the most important types in the history of Brazilian airline TAM, now LATAM Brazil. The F-100 allowed TAM to transition between a regional airline and the second airline of the country (after Varig) in the 1990s. The fact that it is smaller than a 737-300 enabled TAM to develop an important network with new direct flights where other carriers like Varig, Transbrasil and VASP couldn't enter easily because the 737s required more demand to reach breakeven. It was so important that even after the accidents and incidents, TAM only withdrew all the Fokker 100 in late 2000s.
Loved the Fokker 100. Flew many times in Brazil, including Sept 9th 2001 when on my honeymoon all passenger baggage from Congonhas airport was left behind so the fully loaded plane could be light enough to take off from the shorter runway, resulting in a brief hop to Viracopos, refuelling and then on to Porto Alegre. We finally got our bags on Sept 11th 2001, a day of course we’ll never forget! Also there was a TAM F100 which landed in a field around that time due to fuel exhaustion. Testimony to the structure of these planes and their ease of use, it survived the landing quite well.
I was a regular flyer of these when KLM still operated them. Really fantastic planes, simple in their overall design but also spacious, comfortable, and effective.
I used to commute London Gatwick - Düsseldorf with Air Europe Express Shorts 360 turboprop and was on the inaugural flight of the improved service Fokker 100 jet - what a difference! Quieter and quicker and much more comfortable - Great plane - Great Airline! 😎
In Ireland, we used call the Shorts 360 “Skyvan?” the Vomit Comet when Aer Lingus had them in the ‘90s. All ATRs on those runs now. That Fokker sounds like it was a brilliant piece of kit.
Great job ruaridh. I had been waiting for part 2 to drop. I have enjoyed your narration and documentary work very much. Loved the KLM plane with Anthony Fokker featured on its tail. Too bad he died early in his life and the company eventually went down itself. I remember the AA F100, I saw them flying around frequently and landing at EWR. Their bare skin livery was beautiful and flattered the F100 very much. it is a timeless livery. Im sad AA changed it.
I do remember seeing a Fokker 100 doing a touch and go at an airshow in Newtonards (Northern Ireland) in the late 80s. It was undoubetly the largest aircraft to touchdown there!
Fun fact: a few times during the video, footage is shown of PH-PBX. This was the Dutch Government plane, also used by the Royal Family. Hence the name: BX standing for Beatrix, the name of the then Queen of the Netherlands.
Good overview of the Fokker F100; however, Spirit Aerosystems had nothing to do with the demise of the F100 wing assembly in Belfast. Bombardier was the company responsible, having bought Short Brothers PLC in 1989. Bombardier could hardly be expected to continue building wings for it's direct competitor.
When you take over a company you can’t renege on that company’s existing contracts, so Fokker itself must take the blame here for either voluntarily allowing Bombardier to cease supplying wings, or maybe having what must’ve been a very short-term deal in place with Shorts (which then enabled Bombardier to simply say “Sorry, No!” upon its expiry).
The F-29 was one of 3 attempts to create a successor to the F-28. The first was the Super F-28 (stretched F-28 fuselage, new wing). The F-29 came after that, using Boeing 757 fuselage segments and a new wing with underwing engines. The last was the MDF-100, in collaboration with McDonnell Douglas. Customer response to these 3 made it clear that these weren't financially viable, so they ended up with a 'minimum change' successor to the F-28: stretching the F-28 fuselage (by less than the Super F-28), and new engines to improve fuel economy.
For the record, Bombardier actually bought Short Brothers in 1989 (outbidding others such as Fokker funny enough) and had only sold it to Spirit AeroSystems in 2020, a full 23 years after the demise of Fokker.
Such an elegant plane. I used to like watching these flying into Heathrow with KLM from Amsterdam. Although watching this in 2024, it's interesting to hear the name Spirit Aerosystems come up in association with making Fokker go under. I wonder if they'll be the death of Boeing too. Probably not, but they've certainly caused them some headaches.
Too bad Fokker went under. The Fokker 100 with upgraded engines could have taken the market that the Bombardier CS100 (neé Airbus A220-100) now dominates.
Can you make a video talking about the British rail class 20's British Railways Standard Class 6 Clans please. Please respond when you get this please.
Thank You again for giving me a place to enjoy my aviation geek addiction! I thoroughly enjoy your works of art and you have such a pleasant speaking voice. Cheers!
I flew one of these last year from Perth to Broome. I thought it a great aircraft with lots of legroom. They are very popular for flights to and from regional airports in Western Australia and mining sites.
Alliance, Virgin Regional, Skippers and Network all run these out of Perth on fly-in-fly-out (FIFO) work runs to this day. Cheap to run, able to get into relatively short strips in the heat of Australia's North West
The narration made it sound like only the F70 inherited the clam shell speedbrake in the tailcone from the F28. In fact both the F100 and F70 had the same speedbrake configuration.
The F100 was the first jet in my airline career. I spent many hours on the type observing on CofA and post maintenance flight tests, maintenance troubleshooting check flights and positioning flights when I was AirUK/KLM uk's Flight Test Engineer 1999-2003. It was also the first jet I cut my teeth on with Flight Data Monitoring.
It was a very well designed aircraft. The "dark cockpit" design of the flight deck was impressive. Like any aircraft it had its foibles. I remember that the 2 wheel air cycle machine ECS packs were from the F28 and weren't up to it on a hot summers day with with the aircraft full of passengers waiting to depart the D pier at Amsterdam Schiphol. It was a joy for the pilots to fly and me to observe on as a Flight Test Engineer.
By the way there was a modification to the thrust reversers after the accident when one deployed in flight. It involved the fitting of a cable from each thrust reverser mechanism to the associated thrust lever on the centre pedestalon the flight deck, so if a reverser did operate in flight it slammed shut the corresponding thrust lever.
Glad I got to fly on one of these before being retired by KLM back in 2012. Remember thinking at the time that the 717 seemed like a spiritual successor to it. There’s another plane that has been under-used. Flying between the Hawaiian islands the 717 always felt like a consumer fighter jet the way it zipped up and down to and from cruising altitude.
717 is just a renamed MD95/80... which is a DC9, which started flying in 1967... So was flying long before the Fokker appeared :)
Once again very good insight of how these planes were built to cope with passengers and to provide better long distance travel and comfortable seats that most passengers would rely on. My understanding is that how these aircraft changed aviation and were designed to be as reliable and very efficient.
Plenty of the Fokker 100 still fly daily in Australia and they are still one of the quietest aircraft flying in and out of Perth Airport in Western Australia to various airports/airstrips in Western Australia. Alas, they have not much longer in service with the Qantas order for Airbus A220's and already seeing replacement by Airbus 320's by Qantaslink and Virgin Regional.
An important fact that not much people know about the downfall of Fokker is that the upper managment of Fokker had aquired greedy untouchable contracts so that they couldn't be fired.
Fokker had become topheavy.
DASA one of the precursors of Airbus tried to correct this but failed.
Thats one of the reasons why Daimler Benz had no choice then to pull the plug on Fokker.
The enginering.maintenance and parts manufacturing part of Fokker is still alive and kicking.
Designing and fabricating parts for military and mostly Airbus aircraft.
Excellent video. Though I believe Short Brothers was sold by the UK government to Bombardier in 1989. Ergo it must have been Bombardier who stopped wing production for Fokker. This makes sense as they were a competitor. Bombardier sold Shorts to Spirit in 2019. Fortunately Shorts in Belfast are still in business and amongst other thinks they make the wings for the Airbus A220.
Not your most popular but I see it's your passion and thanks again Sir 👍
In Australia alliance airlines maitain a fleet of 14 Fokker 70lr and 25 Fokker 100. They wet hired them to both Qantas and Virgin
The Fokker 100 was one of the most important types in the history of Brazilian airline TAM, now LATAM Brazil. The F-100 allowed TAM to transition between a regional airline and the second airline of the country (after Varig) in the 1990s. The fact that it is smaller than a 737-300 enabled TAM to develop an important network with new direct flights where other carriers like Varig, Transbrasil and VASP couldn't enter easily because the 737s required more demand to reach breakeven. It was so important that even after the accidents and incidents, TAM only withdrew all the Fokker 100 in late 2000s.
Loved the Fokker 100. Flew many times in Brazil, including Sept 9th 2001 when on my honeymoon all passenger baggage from Congonhas airport was left behind so the fully loaded plane could be light enough to take off from the shorter runway, resulting in a brief hop to Viracopos, refuelling and then on to Porto Alegre. We finally got our bags on Sept 11th 2001, a day of course we’ll never forget!
Also there was a TAM F100 which landed in a field around that time due to fuel exhaustion. Testimony to the structure of these planes and their ease of use, it survived the landing quite well.
I was a regular flyer of these when KLM still operated them. Really fantastic planes, simple in their overall design but also spacious, comfortable, and effective.
I used to commute London Gatwick - Düsseldorf with Air Europe Express Shorts 360 turboprop and was on the inaugural flight of the improved service Fokker 100 jet - what a difference! Quieter and quicker and much more comfortable - Great plane - Great Airline! 😎
That’s one helluva upgrade !
In Ireland, we used call the Shorts 360 “Skyvan?” the Vomit Comet when Aer Lingus had them in the ‘90s. All ATRs on those runs now. That Fokker sounds like it was a brilliant piece of kit.
Great job ruaridh. I had been waiting for part 2 to drop. I have enjoyed your narration and documentary work very much. Loved the KLM plane with Anthony Fokker featured on its tail. Too bad he died early in his life and the company eventually went down itself. I remember the AA F100, I saw them flying around frequently and landing at EWR. Their bare skin livery was beautiful and flattered the F100 very much. it is a timeless livery. Im sad AA changed it.
Fairly solid bit of kit if you can blow a 3.5 sqm hole in the side and still carry on flying. Another great video.
I do remember seeing a Fokker 100 doing a touch and go at an airshow in Newtonards (Northern Ireland) in the late 80s. It was undoubetly the largest aircraft to touchdown there!
Used to fly in them from PNG to/from Australia. Always a nice trip (providing they were working!).
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Fun fact: a few times during the video, footage is shown of PH-PBX. This was the Dutch Government plane, also used by the Royal Family. Hence the name: BX standing for Beatrix, the name of the then Queen of the Netherlands.
I love Fokker 100 and miss this aircraft a lot
Good overview of the Fokker F100; however, Spirit Aerosystems had nothing to do with the demise of the F100 wing assembly in Belfast. Bombardier was the company responsible, having bought Short Brothers PLC in 1989. Bombardier could hardly be expected to continue building wings for it's direct competitor.
When you take over a company you can’t renege on that company’s existing contracts, so Fokker itself must take the blame here for either voluntarily allowing Bombardier to cease supplying wings, or maybe having what must’ve been a very short-term deal in place with Shorts (which then enabled Bombardier to simply say “Sorry, No!” upon its expiry).
The F-29 was one of 3 attempts to create a successor to the F-28. The first was the Super F-28 (stretched F-28 fuselage, new wing). The F-29 came after that, using Boeing 757 fuselage segments and a new wing with underwing engines. The last was the MDF-100, in collaboration with McDonnell Douglas. Customer response to these 3 made it clear that these weren't financially viable, so they ended up with a 'minimum change' successor to the F-28: stretching the F-28 fuselage (by less than the Super F-28), and new engines to improve fuel economy.
Another superb video. Thank you. Have you considered a video about the Boeing 737? Plenty to talk about…
For the record, Bombardier actually bought Short Brothers in 1989 (outbidding others such as Fokker funny enough) and had only sold it to Spirit AeroSystems in 2020, a full 23 years after the demise of Fokker.
Such an elegant plane. I used to like watching these flying into Heathrow with KLM from Amsterdam. Although watching this in 2024, it's interesting to hear the name Spirit Aerosystems come up in association with making Fokker go under. I wonder if they'll be the death of Boeing too. Probably not, but they've certainly caused them some headaches.
1:25 Look at that happy face!
I wonder if Fokker ever considered moving production away from Schiphol?
Off the top of my head, Lelystad Airport would have probably been feasible.
You could cover Saab cars, the rise and fall of…
Too bad Fokker went under. The Fokker 100 with upgraded engines could have taken the market that the Bombardier CS100 (neé Airbus A220-100) now dominates.
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8:48 assuming you meant to say *E*RJ
0:37 I thought we were in for a short sentence in the narration. I should've known better! 8 minutes in so far 🤣🤣
How did Fokker F16 production affect their civilian production
Can you make a video talking about the British rail class 20's British Railways Standard Class 6 Clans please. Please respond when you get this please.
Don’t wanna be that guy but you said Embraer CRJ though captions said ERJ, probably just slipped after saying Canadair CRJ before it
You could say Fokker Fokkered up in the end…
I took a trip on a Fokker F100. SNA DFW.
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What is procedure for a stuck open reverser? Open the other?
Reduce the power of engine, with the reverser open, to idle and land the plane ASAP.
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I would love to see the demise of GE's train manufacturing!
Why would the FAA only certify the 70 to carry fewer passengers than Europe? Some kind of protectionism scheme? Or safety issue?
That's what it looks like to me.
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the fokker 70 is basically a way better crj 200
Downscaling a design is almost never a good idea. You end up with a innefficient structure and pay for dead weight without the seats paying for it.
Despite the promises. Really. Re-re-re-using a 20 year old design will always, always FAIL.
I think you’ll find that is Boeing’s business model!
Boeing carefully pushing the 737 behind a curtain
Can we all agree that the last generation of the 737 IS a failure. As is normal for any re-re-re-use.