I flew the F-100 for 3 years and fell in love with it. Easy to fly, fantastic displays and super reliables engines. It was so quiet that would avoid curfew times and was allowed to operate at the London Airport. My theory is that it was removed to make room for the A-318.
We’ve still got them here in Australia. Alliance flies both the 70s and the 100s. Great aircraft. If you still haven’t flown one, come down to Brisbane where they’re all waiting for you.
First EU flight was with a KLM Cityhopper F70 and i felt like flying a business Jet. Having also met one of the Fokker Engineers during holidays which became family friends it was kind of a special machine to fly in. My last Fokker flight was with Cityhopper in the 201x's Linkoping-Amsterdam VV and i patted the plane upon my last disembarkation to say thanks for so many years of safely traveling. Thank you Fokker Engineers!
I have many happy memories of working on the F100 as cabin crew. It was the first aircraft I was licenced to operate with AirUK (later KLMuk). Strangely, we operated the BAe146 alongside the Fokkers. That is still one of my favourites too! ❤
Fokker was a victem of the EU The F100 was payed of Fokker wanted to develope a sucsesor But to do that they needed monny So they asked fore state funding since no bank wil do that But According EU agreements State funding was not alouwed annymore Fokker needed to find another way They ended up with Daza But Daza had other plans They had a small print in the contract Daza became the factory to profide the wings Now the wings of the Fokker airplanes where made at Stork Suddenly Daza was suposed to make those wings But they could not make that Kind of wings at al They actually got them at Stork And asked 2 times the price from Fokker Suddenly the Fokker 100 was made at a loss So Daza pulled the plug out of Fokker Making Fokker bankrupt Altho that is wat they amed to do Fokker is stil alive And is making roket parts And F35 parts Daza wend bankrupt some years later They got a state loan from Djurmany to develope a new plane that was capabole of taking 100 passengers But what they came up with looked a lot like the Fokker 100 That did not take wel with potential customers And the owner of Daza Airbus
I've made one roundtrip flight on an F100, Stockholm-Gällivare-Stockholm with an intermediate landing in Arvidsjaur in both directions. A Carpatair aircraft, originally built for American Airlines, flying for Nordica. A friend and I booked it just to fly it before they were retired.
I still remember how due to an accident in Brazil back in the late 90´s or early 2000s, an accident with a Fokker 100 in Brazil was cast in all nation wide news here, as it being a Fokker thing and that plane should be grounded. All other aspects of the accident where ignored, and it became a cursed plane in the nation's mind, people would plainly refuse to take flight. Same that is kind of happening with Boeing now ^^
There were 3 deadly accidents with a F-100 in Brazil. One which killed all crew and passengers, a bomb attack that killed 1 passenger, and 1 engine disintegration that blasted engine blades through 3 windows, causing 1 fatality. The marriage between Fokker and Brazil wasn't a happy one.
Not really, there are serious problems with Boeing production as testifies to US congress by whistleblowers. It’s not just overblown hype because of one accident.
I can't stop thinking of how different the airliner world would look today, if Airbus pulled a Bombardier-takeover-style move 20 years earlier on Fokker. Imagine, that we would fly in F100NEO's today😍 Lucky me managed to log some 10 flights on the Mother and at least one on the small Fokker 70😊 I loved every second flying on them😎
I think it would have been a lot like Boeing did with the 717. It was tantamount to the same thing.. the 717 was the right aircraft 20 years too early. Too large for regional airlines bounded by 70 seat scope clauses and struggling to move up from 19 - 30 passenger turboprops-both in technical capabilities and markets… and too small for mainline operations as even the 737-600 and A318 were low sellers for the same reasons. It wasn’t until the E - Jet that the time was right and the C - Series hit it almost perfectly if it wasn’t for horrible mismanagement by Bombardier and American protectionism.
A lot of the readers of this thread will have no idea what you are saying. So, for the benefit (sic) of the non-British world audience and the Brits younger than about 50. There was a Liverpool bloke called Stan Boardman. I would have said you were stretching the point to call him a comedian but realising what comedy on the TV has been reduced to he is relatively absolutely hilarious. His two most famous jokes related to the name of this aircraft manufacturing company. I'm not going to provide a link out of respect to what is a very educational and family friendly site. If you search RUclips for The Des O'Connor show, Stan Boardman, the Fokker joke you will find it there. Hope the joke was worth it. I don't think Stan was ever on the TV again.
I flew a few times on the Austrian F100's as well. I loved them, with the engines all the way in the back it was so quiet. And the BAE 146 I have flown on once. That felt a bit cramped inside and apparently the cargo hold was too small, because my suitcase couldn't fit anymore and having to be delivered by another flight. So the F100 has my preference.
I used to work for a Dutch freight forwarder ho coordinated the shipment of all Fokker's parts from the UK to Holland also also from the Netherlands back to the UK. Very long hours but the happiest working days of my life. 'was gutted when they collapsed
I have visited the Fokker 100 factory as a primary school visit in 1987. Including the design department, with very old school computers. So nice to get a trip down memory lane. Also worked next to the current Fokker headquarters in Hoofddorp near Schiphol.
Being Dutch i have a soft spot for Fokker. I only flew as a passenger on the F50, with the first flight being the most memorable because it ended with a emergency landing at Heathrow when the left main gear wouldn't lock. Last time i had anything to do with Fokker was on 29-10-2017 when there was a event at Schiphol-Oost to say farewell the the last F70 from the KLM. Sad day.
The wing was an engineering marvel, but with no slats great care was required in winter ops. The air conditioning system was totally inadequate. Idle reverse was necessary as opposed to normal reverse because of vibration in the empennage. It had excellent fuel consumption. Its climb performance was questionable, but it was extremely flexible in the descent……it came down like Stuka with speed brake and spoilers. Shut the engines down and you had a cascade of warnings which had been hidden from the crew. It was quicker to de energise the whole aircraft and after a few minutes start up again, rather than follow the QRH reset procedures. The 737 was a dream after the Fokker.
Been flying them (Both F100 & F70) here in PNG for over 10 years. Fantastic machine, especially for the terrain and lack of infrastructure, they can really take a beating. Sadly, they've had a long and hard life, and parts are getting quite scarce. They'll all be parked in the near future, quite sad that none of the attempts at starting production have come to fruition.
I personally loved these F28's and then later on F100's and F70's. KLM Citty Hopper had the F28's and Air UK later on had the F100's. When KLM took over Air UK, they inherited the fleet of F100's and to date, there is still an F100 on display at Schiphol Airport with the KLM livery. I flew on many an F70, also a part of the KLM City Hopper's fleet, often to UK destinations. When you had a seat at one of the front rows, you could hardly hear any noise, so comfortable! I also flew on the Air UK's fleet of F100's many a time. I was very sad when KLM City Hopper changed to the Embraerer fleet, replacing the F70s. The F28 Citty Hopper was the plane I flew on my maiden flights: A 737 from Amsterdam to Stansted and then back from Heathrow I believe, to Rotterdam. Later on, when I got a girlfriend in Belfast, I very frequently flew the F28 from Amsterdam to Belfast. I have fond memories of those flights and of course, later on, the F100's from Air UK with a stop over somewhere on the way to Belfast. I also enjoyed until they were retired, flying onboard the F70's flying into UK destinations on many an occasion. Incidentally, the Dutch Royal Family also had an F70 as their private plane and it was our current King who secretly was flying on scheduled KLM City Hopper flight, without the passengers knowing that it was a member of the Dutch Royal Family flying them. It was to keep up his flying hours on the jet so he could fly his own family in their own aircraft. That Royal aircraft had PH-KBX as its call sign. You can look it up. These F70's and F100's were great planes, they are sadly missed.
As an ex pilot of the F-100 I almost started my comment after the first 20 seconds but decided to wait till the end. Ok, watched the whole video. I went from 727 captain to F-100 captain after 9/11 only because I never wanted to fly the MD-80. The airplane though easy to fly was excessively slow. You could never fly airways at altitude due to faster traffic behind you. You couldn't use reverse on landing due to tail vibrations. Midway airport in Chicago was a nightmare in that beast in the winter. I was soooo glad when I got a 767 captain bid to get away from that pig. Oh, by the way. the air conditioning system was designed for northern Europe, in south Texas we called it the Dutch Oven.
The Dutch government refused to help out Fokker because in the Netherlands it was felt that a commercial company should be able to take care for itself. While the aviation industry in countries like France, Germany, Italy and the UK always receives substantial help from the respective governments…
Fokker is helped so many times by the Dutch government. This constant backing up made management lacking its responsibility! But is was probably the best plane to buy and that wasn't even enough...
That attitude of the Dutch goverment probably had a lot ot do with the RSV debacle in the 80's, when despite more than 2 billion guilders in support the shipbuilding industie in the Netherlands still went bust and the inquiry that followed revealed major mismanagment with's went unnoticed because the taxpayer payed for all the mistakes.
American Airlines bought 75 of the Fokker 100s to help them establish 2 "mini-hubs" in the Southeast US. The airports chosen were Nashville (BNA) and Raleigh-Durham (RDU). Neither hub was successful, so they quickly phased out the Fokker 100s in favor of more MD-80s.
Actually, the reason for the end of Fokker operations with AA was the demise of Fokker. There was no customer service, and American had to fabricate parts. In the wake of 9/11, American returned the 717s to Boeing, because the TWA lease rates were high, and the F100s were owned outright. But, the cost of maintaining the F100s caused AA to retire the fleet in 2004. If AA had anticipated the maintenance costs, it would have grounded the F100 fleet in 2001 and kept the 717s
I traveled on that a number of times. It was a hot lander by that I mean it’s landing speed was much more than a normal jet these days. . but it was fast comfortable and I enjoyed every bit of it
The first time I've ever flown was on a Fokker 100 back in the 2000's, a 45min flight from my hometown to Rio de Janeiro, what an experience. They ended up being sold to QuantasLink and might be still flying over aussie skies.
A friend of mine is a pilot with AA and knew a number of Fokker pilots. While the plane was easy to fly, it had its problems Mechanics hated the plane, because working on the plane meant having to plug into ground power. If you switched on the electrical system, it could develop problems within a few minutes, if not on ground power. The plane was more like an oversized biz jet than a small commercial jet, in this regard. Scheduling hated it, because to fly a short hop, such as O'Hare-Detroit, DFW-Houston, or Raleigh-Atlanta meant weight-restricting the aircraft. If an F100 departed at MTOW on a short flight, it could not burn enough fuel to get under Max. Landing Weight. For an airline that carried a lot of mail and cargo, this was a problem. This is why you saw MD-80s and even 757s flying shorter routes than the F100. A flight attendant told me she hated the plane, because she couldn't brew a pot of coffee, when the plane was on ground power. The APU had to be running, in order to get the coffeemaker to work. That wasn't the case with the MD-80 or Boeing jets.
Back until a few years ago, before the pandemic, Austrian Airlines had a couple of Fokker 70 and 100 and I really liked to fly on them a lot. Beautiful planes, and also nice inside with the 3-2 seating. They were typically used on lower-demand routes, making Vienna very well connected with smaller cities all over Europe.
The Fokker 100's still fly out of Cairns here in FNQ Australia.Nice looking aircraft.Also a daily BAe 146 flight takes off late afternoon.Both lovely to watch in flight, and nice to see both still flying.
Fokker 28 was n is still my favorite small airliner. I flew on it many² times when I was small n I always enjoyed every minute of it. I also had flew on B 737 n DC 9. But F 28 is still n will always be my favorite. So sad that it was ceased produce 😢.
Взломали кучу каналов, кто то уже восстановил, кто то нет. Если нужны инструкции как его восстановить - напиши Скай, там путь не лёгкий, но сделать можно.
6:57: "The plane was even called the whisperjet." The term "Whisperjet" was a marketing term used by Eastern Air Lines for their B-727-25 aircraft back in the 60s. It predates Fokker's usage by DECADES. EA later expanded this for use on the DC-9 fleet, as well as on their L-1011 aircraft. Once EA went to a bare-metal scheme, the "Whisperjet" titles disappeared from the aircraft, but the term was still used on safety cards for the B-727-25, -225, DC-9 (all series), and the "Whisperliner" term used for the A-300 as well as the L-1011.
I am a Fokker fan by virtue the presidential jet, Republic of Kenya is a Fokker 70, has been since the airframe was acquired circa 1995.. Hardy piece of equipment, the Kenya Airways fleet of yester decades post dissolution of the East African airways was comprised of fellowship 28s.
Vietnam airlines have 2 Fokker 100 bought in the 1990s and retire them a few years back , love flying them back then , very quiet plane , doesn't need ladder vehicles like a320-21 and b767 . Later they use them on the hanoi-laotian capital route or HCM - Laotian route . Too bad I miss the last fly with them 😔
The Barbie Dream Jet. Flew on these for American more times than I can remember. Honestly, not a bad little plane and at one point, one of the most reliable in American's fleet.
Avianca (Colombia) Had a few of these, and I only got to be on it once, felt quite similar to the MD-83's of the same fleet, but I remembered being comfortable.
I've gotten one chance to fly with the fokker 100 in 2018 and it was a great experience. It's very sad that so many great and interesting planes are no longer to see around the west. The variety has been shrinking for very long. If you live in Europe you only get to see Airbus. Even boeing became more rare at my home airport
Everyone says they "like" the F100 and F70. Even I say it. I've flown in them a lot (as a passenger) and I just do "like" them. Seems a little strange for people to say it, though.
The first jet I ever flew on was a Fokker f28 operated by Linjeflyg in Sweden. Full braking, full thrust, brakes released and off we went down the runway. To me it felt like a fighter jet😅
The F-100 was very famous in Brazil, first because of being different from the 737, 727 and Electra II that were used in some of the famous routes of the country, but then a series of accidents made people scared of flying on them
Never had a chance to fly on either. American dumped the 100 after a very brief length of service and the 70 almost didn't exist in the US. The F-28 really never appealed, but it is a shame about the 100 and the 70 which seemed excellent. Embraier really took off.
I flew the F-28 for a little over a year and the F-100 4 years. I enjoyed both of them. The F-28 used early generation fan jets, the Spey, and they were fuel hogs. But back in the day that was all they had. The Tay engines were great though.
excellent video. as you say, this is 2024. i flew on this, AA, out of tulsa all the time. didn't know what it was at the time. actually didn't know what it was until i saw this video. loved the plane. this fokker and the b717 were my favorites. i wonder if they have anything in common? hmmmmmmm
They were used by Austrian for their GRZ to DUS service, which I have to take quite often... absolutely loved them - now all of them have been replaced by e195s 😢
I remember being shocked back in the day when I was on a flight and realized the word "Fokker" was on the little aircraft description brochure. Fokker??? Passenger jet??? In the US??? 😄
Fokker sold many aircraft in the USA, going back to the 1920s. Fokker lost the market after a crash involving football coach Knute Rockne in 1931. It turned out the main wing spar was rotten due to water seepage. It came back in the 1960s with the F27 and F28 and later the F100.
Hey it the second jet on the left, My very first solo trip when I was still classed as unaccompanied minor was to SWF to PIT. Stewart was not a big operation back then so you walked out to the plane and it was "second jet on the left" for my flight on USAir.
Its quite sad this company collapsed. The restart of the Fokker is called Rekkof (basicly Fokker in reverse) and is headed by the old guard of Fokker. Currently they are working on a F100 Neo version with hydrogen, with funding help from the European Union and engine from Rolls-Royce. I do hope to see the company & planes fly/built again.
One of the problems where currency differences. Selling the plane in dollars, but buying parts in Guilders costed a huge amount of money because the USD was becoming cheaper and cheaper. It took a lot of years before Fokker changed and started paying their suppliers in dollars..... But by then it was already too late to save Fokker.
Still, as a former regular F-100 and F-28 passenger in 90s-2000s, the sound of F-28's RR Speys were more iconic because they howled like a fighter jet, while F-100’s RR Tays were just...soft, like a hairdryer
And a ton of things mentioned in the video. Lack of industrial capacity-the same of which plagued other European manufacturers which was the reason for the consolidation of the British and French manufacturers (BAC, Aerospatiale) and development of international partnerships like Panavia, SEPECAT, Concorde, Airbus, and CFM. Also the expense of redesigning the aircraft that was too awkwardly sized for the American market.. too small to be a narrow body mainliner.. and too large to fit into the scope clause of regional carriers (the MD-95/Boeing 717 suffered from the same problem). And finally ruthless competition from better placed competitors. Between Bombardier and Embraer they eliminated no less than 8 manufacturers of regional aircraft. Beechcraft, Fairchild, SAAB, BAE, Hawker, Dornier, Fokker, and Boeing.
QANTAS still files the F100. Check flight radar 24 - common to see a dozen of them in the air. Also regional airlines to WA minesites. It is a very tough and safe plane.
I flew on a Fokker 70 once. I was rescheduled from a cancelled flight and I got the last seat at the back wall, near the engine. It was very loud and uncomfortable.
You can still catch them many times a day flying in and out of Perth with Qantas Link, Virgin Aus Regional and Alliance! Luckily they'll still be around for a little while longer 🙏
Another knock against the Fokker F28/100 is the airfoil is stall critical during icing conditions and cannot handle even light contamination. With major icing incidents in Dryden Onatrio and then in New York the plane fell out of favor with North American operators.
@@natirasohumana Those accidents were not based on a design flaw of the aircraft but pilot error. Before the F100, there had been the F28 and F50 both with good safety records. Anyway, my point is, partnership with an existing aircraft manufacturer is a wonderful opportunity to acquire technology in aircraft manufacturing within the shortest possible time and maybe open new markets in South America, Asia and Europe.
@4evertrue830 the big F100 accident was based on a design flaw though...Fokker had to redesign the thrust reversor because the investigators found out they had redesigned it after certification and the way it was done turned it into not airworthy lol, and the other minor ones were not pilot error, they were something else. It would be the same thing as doing a partnership with Boeing in the middle of the MAX crisis. Oh wait
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I flew the F-100 for 3 years and fell in love with it. Easy to fly, fantastic displays and super reliables engines. It was so quiet that would avoid curfew times and was allowed to operate at the London Airport. My theory is that it was removed to make room for the A-318.
Huh. I've heard that AA had serious issues with reliability.
@@James-FL give evidence not hearsay
@@na-yp4xq who are you to tell me what to do? go fly a kite! 🪁
We’ve still got them here in Australia. Alliance flies both the 70s and the 100s. Great aircraft. If you still haven’t flown one, come down to Brisbane where they’re all waiting for you.
and FIFO's (miners) are (mostly) the only ones flying on them. Moranbah is such a desirable destination for tourism and commerce.
@@JosephBloggs-jk5lv FIFO pax are the best. Always super orderly and well behaved, much unlike the general public.
So does Qantas...an amazingly shit airline!
I flew one Alliance F100 yesterday that will be 31 yo on 28-July. Great aircraft. It was a Virgin Australia flight MKY-BNE.
I see them over Perth every day
First EU flight was with a KLM Cityhopper F70 and i felt like flying a business Jet. Having also met one of the Fokker Engineers during holidays which became family friends it was kind of a special machine to fly in. My last Fokker flight was with Cityhopper in the 201x's Linkoping-Amsterdam VV and i patted the plane upon my last disembarkation to say thanks for so many years of safely traveling. Thank you Fokker Engineers!
I worked as a mechanic for mexicana airlines 1995 96 and we had fokker 100..what a dream...nicest plane lve ever worked with..🎉❤❤❤
WHAT COULD be so nice to work with on a plane? Details, please!
I have many happy memories of working on the F100 as cabin crew. It was the first aircraft I was licenced to operate with AirUK (later KLMuk). Strangely, we operated the BAe146 alongside the Fokkers. That is still one of my favourites too! ❤
I fly the Bae 146 in the X-plane simulator. The realism is top notch. A wonderful aircraft indeed.
Always wondered what happened to Fokker & the F-100. Excellent little plane!
Fokker was a victem of the EU
The F100 was payed of
Fokker wanted to develope a sucsesor
But to do that they needed monny
So they asked fore state funding since no bank wil do that
But
According EU agreements
State funding was not alouwed annymore
Fokker needed to find another way
They ended up with Daza
But Daza had other plans
They had a small print in the contract
Daza became the factory to profide the wings
Now the wings of the Fokker airplanes where made at Stork
Suddenly Daza was suposed to make those wings
But they could not make that Kind of wings at al
They actually got them at Stork
And asked 2 times the price from Fokker
Suddenly the Fokker 100 was made at a loss
So Daza pulled the plug out of Fokker
Making Fokker bankrupt
Altho that is wat they amed to do
Fokker is stil alive And is making roket parts And F35 parts
Daza wend bankrupt some years later
They got a state loan from Djurmany to develope a new plane that was capabole of taking 100 passengers
But what they came up with looked a lot like the Fokker 100
That did not take wel with potential customers
And the owner of Daza
Airbus
I've made one roundtrip flight on an F100, Stockholm-Gällivare-Stockholm with an intermediate landing in Arvidsjaur in both directions. A Carpatair aircraft, originally built for American Airlines, flying for Nordica. A friend and I booked it just to fly it before they were retired.
this is very scare, my cat is sad
Nordica 🇪🇪
I still remember how due to an accident in Brazil back in the late 90´s or early 2000s, an accident with a Fokker 100 in Brazil was cast in all nation wide news here, as it being a Fokker thing and that plane should be grounded. All other aspects of the accident where ignored, and it became a cursed plane in the nation's mind, people would plainly refuse to take flight. Same that is kind of happening with Boeing now ^^
Well in Boeing's case, they are actually negligent about safety
There were 3 deadly accidents with a F-100 in Brazil. One which killed all crew and passengers, a bomb attack that killed 1 passenger, and 1 engine disintegration that blasted engine blades through 3 windows, causing 1 fatality.
The marriage between Fokker and Brazil wasn't a happy one.
So much so that oceanair used to call their fokkers mk28 to avoid scaring customers
It was a TAM thing. They ended up doing the same with the Airbus A320s. They often neglect maintenance over punctuality.
Not really, there are serious problems with Boeing production as testifies to US congress by whistleblowers. It’s not just overblown hype because of one accident.
I can't stop thinking of how different the airliner world would look today, if Airbus pulled a Bombardier-takeover-style move 20 years earlier on Fokker. Imagine, that we would fly in F100NEO's today😍
Lucky me managed to log some 10 flights on the Mother and at least one on the small Fokker 70😊 I loved every second flying on them😎
I think it would have been a lot like Boeing did with the 717.
It was tantamount to the same thing.. the 717 was the right aircraft 20 years too early. Too large for regional airlines bounded by 70 seat scope clauses and struggling to move up from 19
- 30 passenger turboprops-both in technical capabilities and markets… and too small for mainline operations as even the 737-600 and A318 were low sellers for the same reasons.
It wasn’t until the E - Jet that the time was right and the C - Series hit it almost perfectly if it wasn’t for horrible mismanagement by Bombardier and American protectionism.
"I got the little Fokker in sight."
No, those Fokkers were flying Messerschmits...
@@dragonmeddler2152 🤣
@@dragonmeddler2152No, that was a Focker-Wulf
A lot of the readers of this thread will have no idea what you are saying. So, for the benefit (sic) of the non-British world audience and the Brits younger than about 50. There was a Liverpool bloke called Stan Boardman. I would have said you were stretching the point to call him a comedian but realising what comedy on the TV has been reduced to he is relatively absolutely hilarious. His two most famous jokes related to the name of this aircraft manufacturing company. I'm not going to provide a link out of respect to what is a very educational and family friendly site. If you search RUclips for The Des O'Connor show, Stan Boardman, the Fokker joke you will find it there. Hope the joke was worth it. I don't think Stan was ever on the TV again.
Oh no, it is that Martha Fokker again!
Come to Western Australia there's F100's flying everywhere everyday with Qantas, Virgin and, Alliance !!!
A virgin Fokker?
They use the back door.
and skippers aviation has 2 fokker 100s
When i first started flying years ago, Austrian Airline's Fokkers were what introduced me to aviation. Absolutely loved flying in them.
I flew a few times on the Austrian F100's as well. I loved them, with the engines all the way in the back it was so quiet. And the BAE 146 I have flown on once. That felt a bit cramped inside and apparently the cargo hold was too small, because my suitcase couldn't fit anymore and having to be delivered by another flight. So the F100 has my preference.
I used to work for a Dutch freight forwarder ho coordinated the shipment of all Fokker's parts from the UK to Holland also also from the Netherlands back to the UK. Very long hours but the happiest working days of my life. 'was gutted when they collapsed
I have visited the Fokker 100 factory as a primary school visit in 1987. Including the design department, with very old school computers. So nice to get a trip down memory lane.
Also worked next to the current Fokker headquarters in Hoofddorp near Schiphol.
Being Dutch i have a soft spot for Fokker. I only flew as a passenger on the F50, with the first flight being the most memorable because it ended with a emergency landing at Heathrow when the left main gear wouldn't lock. Last time i had anything to do with Fokker was on 29-10-2017 when there was a event at Schiphol-Oost to say farewell the the last F70 from the KLM. Sad day.
Along the DC9, one of the best arirplanes I have flown in. Smooth, confortable, quiet and fast.
1:20 - no, it's the wrong way round... it was the BAe 146 before it was rebranded the Avro RJ series.
The wing was an engineering marvel, but with no slats great care was required in winter ops. The air conditioning system was totally inadequate. Idle reverse was necessary as opposed to normal reverse because of vibration in the empennage. It had excellent fuel consumption. Its climb performance was questionable, but it was extremely flexible in the descent……it came down like Stuka with speed brake and spoilers. Shut the engines down and you had a cascade of warnings which had been hidden from the crew. It was quicker to de energise the whole aircraft and after a few minutes start up again, rather than follow the QRH reset procedures.
The 737 was a dream after the Fokker.
Worked on these planes for over a decade. Not an easy plane to work on. I didn’t find it overly reliable. The pilots did love it though.
Been flying them (Both F100 & F70) here in PNG for over 10 years. Fantastic machine, especially for the terrain and lack of infrastructure, they can really take a beating. Sadly, they've had a long and hard life, and parts are getting quite scarce. They'll all be parked in the near future, quite sad that none of the attempts at starting production have come to fruition.
Oh these were such wonderful aircraft for passengers. Thanks for making this video!
I really enjoy your videos; and there's just no "skyships" without you, Mr. Narrator :)
I personally loved these F28's and then later on F100's and F70's. KLM Citty Hopper had the F28's and Air UK later on had the F100's. When KLM took over Air UK, they inherited the fleet of F100's and to date, there is still an F100 on display at Schiphol Airport with the KLM livery.
I flew on many an F70, also a part of the KLM City Hopper's fleet, often to UK destinations. When you had a seat at one of the front rows, you could hardly hear any noise, so comfortable! I also flew on the Air UK's fleet of F100's many a time.
I was very sad when KLM City Hopper changed to the Embraerer fleet, replacing the F70s.
The F28 Citty Hopper was the plane I flew on my maiden flights: A 737 from Amsterdam to Stansted and then back from Heathrow I believe, to Rotterdam.
Later on, when I got a girlfriend in Belfast, I very frequently flew the F28 from Amsterdam to Belfast. I have fond memories of those flights and of course, later on, the F100's from Air UK with a stop over somewhere on the way to Belfast. I also enjoyed until they were retired, flying onboard the F70's flying into UK destinations on many an occasion.
Incidentally, the Dutch Royal Family also had an F70 as their private plane and it was our current King who secretly was flying on scheduled KLM City Hopper flight, without the passengers knowing that it was a member of the Dutch Royal Family flying them. It was to keep up his flying hours on the jet so he could fly his own family in their own aircraft. That Royal aircraft had PH-KBX as its call sign. You can look it up.
These F70's and F100's were great planes, they are sadly missed.
As an ex pilot of the F-100 I almost started my comment after the first 20 seconds but decided to wait till the end.
Ok, watched the whole video. I went from 727 captain to F-100 captain after 9/11 only because I never wanted to fly the MD-80. The airplane though easy to fly was excessively slow. You could never fly airways at altitude due to faster traffic behind you. You couldn't use reverse on landing due to tail vibrations. Midway airport in Chicago was a nightmare in that beast in the winter. I was soooo glad when I got a 767 captain bid to get away from that pig.
Oh, by the way. the air conditioning system was designed for northern Europe, in south Texas we called it the Dutch Oven.
The Dutch government refused to help out Fokker because in the Netherlands it was felt that a commercial company should be able to take care for itself. While the aviation industry in countries like France, Germany, Italy and the UK always receives substantial help from the respective governments…
Fokker is helped so many times by the Dutch government.
This constant backing up made management lacking its responsibility!
But is was probably the best plane to buy and that wasn't even enough...
That attitude of the Dutch goverment probably had a lot ot do with the RSV debacle in the 80's, when despite more than 2 billion guilders in support the shipbuilding industie in the Netherlands still went bust and the inquiry that followed revealed major mismanagment with's went unnoticed because the taxpayer payed for all the mistakes.
The Netherlands doesn't have big companies anymore: KLM sold to Air France, dutch royal Shell: sold and moved to the UK, same with Unilever erc etc.
Скай мы будем с тобой до конца, даже несмотря на то что ты потерял канал и полляма подписчиков... ❤
Ааа удалили? То-то ищу не могу найти ((
Che za na h..?!
American Airlines bought 75 of the Fokker 100s to help them establish 2 "mini-hubs" in the Southeast US. The airports chosen were Nashville (BNA) and Raleigh-Durham (RDU). Neither hub was successful, so they quickly phased out the Fokker 100s in favor of more MD-80s.
Actually, the reason for the end of Fokker operations with AA was the demise of Fokker. There was no customer service, and American had to fabricate parts.
In the wake of 9/11, American returned the 717s to Boeing, because the TWA lease rates were high, and the F100s were owned outright.
But, the cost of maintaining the F100s caused AA to retire the fleet in 2004.
If AA had anticipated the maintenance costs, it would have grounded the F100 fleet in 2001 and kept the 717s
Those f28s were as loud as 737-200.
Great video Sky 👍.
The nose seems to have a slightly classic look on a modern jetliner. It's subtle but distinctive. A past becomes future vibe. Beautiful aircraft. 👍
I flew on the F100 twice from Montreal to Bagotville & return in the old Canadian Airlines livery nice aircraft
Did Canadian airlines have them? I thought they only had F-28s? The whistle of those Rolls Royce Speys and no reverse was distinctive.
@@calvinnickel9995 they had both...under the Inter Canadian brand
I traveled on that a number of times. It was a hot lander by that I mean it’s landing speed was much more than a normal jet these days. . but it was fast comfortable and I enjoyed every bit of it
I grew up neighbour to an airport. I always liked to see this plane and my parents say I could tell it by the sound. Living and unlearning...
great memories of flying on the fokker 100 :) i remember they even had plans for a 100 NG with wing tips. it looked really nice.
The first time I've ever flown was on a Fokker 100 back in the 2000's, a 45min flight from my hometown to Rio de Janeiro, what an experience. They ended up being sold to QuantasLink and might be still flying over aussie skies.
A friend of mine is a pilot with AA and knew a number of Fokker pilots.
While the plane was easy to fly, it had its problems
Mechanics hated the plane, because working on the plane meant having to plug into ground power. If you switched on the electrical system, it could develop problems within a few minutes, if not on ground power.
The plane was more like an oversized biz jet than a small commercial jet, in this regard.
Scheduling hated it, because to fly a short hop, such as O'Hare-Detroit, DFW-Houston, or Raleigh-Atlanta meant weight-restricting the aircraft.
If an F100 departed at MTOW on a short flight, it could not burn enough fuel to get under Max. Landing Weight.
For an airline that carried a lot of mail and cargo, this was a problem.
This is why you saw MD-80s and even 757s flying shorter routes than the F100.
A flight attendant told me she hated the plane, because she couldn't brew a pot of coffee, when the plane was on ground power. The APU had to be running, in order to get the coffeemaker to work. That wasn't the case with the MD-80 or Boeing jets.
Back until a few years ago, before the pandemic, Austrian Airlines had a couple of Fokker 70 and 100 and I really liked to fly on them a lot. Beautiful planes, and also nice inside with the 3-2 seating. They were typically used on lower-demand routes, making Vienna very well connected with smaller cities all over Europe.
The BAe 146 became the AVRO RJ, not the other way around.
The Fokker 100's still fly out of Cairns here in FNQ Australia.Nice looking aircraft.Also a daily BAe 146 flight takes off late afternoon.Both lovely to watch in flight, and nice to see both still flying.
Fokker 28 was n is still my favorite small airliner. I flew on it many² times when I was small n I always enjoyed every minute of it. I also had flew on B 737 n DC 9. But F 28 is still n will always be my favorite.
So sad that it was ceased produce 😢.
I fly at Austrian airlines the e195 and a lot of my captains flew the F100 prior to the Embraer. They all loved it.
Sky, что с основным каналом случилось? Почему там переадресация на какой-то блокчёновый шлак? Хакнули?
Видать угнали канал, печаль. Пожелаем скорейшего восстановления!!
@@YXTT19N Vot ved pidary!😡
Взломали кучу каналов, кто то уже восстановил, кто то нет. Если нужны инструкции как его восстановить - напиши Скай, там путь не лёгкий, но сделать можно.
I was on a Fokker 100 recently, and apart from norming aging they are fine.
Flew it many times with Austrian and miss it so much 😢
6:57: "The plane was even called the whisperjet."
The term "Whisperjet" was a marketing term used by Eastern Air Lines for their B-727-25 aircraft back in the 60s. It predates Fokker's usage by DECADES. EA later expanded this for use on the DC-9 fleet, as well as on their L-1011 aircraft. Once EA went to a bare-metal scheme, the "Whisperjet" titles disappeared from the aircraft, but the term was still used on safety cards for the B-727-25, -225, DC-9 (all series), and the "Whisperliner" term used for the A-300 as well as the L-1011.
I managed to log 5 flights on the F100, 2 on the F70, and just 1 on the F50
Too short! 😢 we want 30 minutes minimum
Sky.. still lovin your work! Top notch👍🏻✈️
Здравствуйте, а что случилось с ру кананлом? Будет ли новый или попытаетесь восстановить старый?
I am a Fokker fan by virtue the presidential jet, Republic of Kenya is a Fokker 70, has been since the airframe was acquired circa 1995.. Hardy piece of equipment, the Kenya Airways fleet of yester decades post dissolution of the East African airways was comprised of fellowship 28s.
An RR Tay-powered single aisle aircraft - what's not to love?
Anyone who has ridden on a G-IV/G450/F100/F70 has a love for the RR Tay.
Vietnam airlines have 2 Fokker 100 bought in the 1990s and retire them a few years back , love flying them back then , very quiet plane , doesn't need ladder vehicles like a320-21 and b767 . Later they use them on the hanoi-laotian capital route or HCM - Laotian route . Too bad I miss the last fly with them 😔
My company has a majority of the F70 and F100 that we fly daily all over Australia. We keep acquiring them from the US and Europe.
Wow, great video. Thanks, I was wondering what had happened to it and knew little about its history.
The Barbie Dream Jet. Flew on these for American more times than I can remember. Honestly, not a bad little plane and at one point, one of the most reliable in American's fleet.
its sad that Fokker went down this path. Great airplane maker!
I flew it once, with KLM Cityhopper from Amsterdam to Hamburg. Nice and comfortable airplane.
Avianca (Colombia) Had a few of these, and I only got to be on it once, felt quite similar to the MD-83's of the same fleet, but I remembered being comfortable.
I've gotten one chance to fly with the fokker 100 in 2018 and it was a great experience. It's very sad that so many great and interesting planes are no longer to see around the west. The variety has been shrinking for very long. If you live in Europe you only get to see Airbus. Even boeing became more rare at my home airport
Hey Sky. I just love your videos. Always very well done. Thanks.
Everyone says they "like" the F100 and F70. Even I say it. I've flown in them a lot (as a passenger) and I just do "like" them.
Seems a little strange for people to say it, though.
I don't fly much, but I flew on Fokker 100 once. It was the smoothest landing I've experienced. And it was all-female crew too. 😊
The first jet I ever flew on was a Fokker f28 operated by Linjeflyg in Sweden. Full braking, full thrust, brakes released and off we went down the runway. To me it felt like a fighter jet😅
The F-100 was very famous in Brazil, first because of being different from the 737, 727 and Electra II that were used in some of the famous routes of the country, but then a series of accidents made people scared of flying on them
Never had a chance to fly on either. American dumped the 100 after a very brief length of service and the 70 almost didn't exist in the US.
The F-28 really never appealed, but it is a shame about the 100 and the 70 which seemed excellent. Embraier really took off.
As a passenger, I flew on F27, F28, F50, and F100. Loved them all. It was just not the right timing.
I flew the F-28 for a little over a year and the F-100 4 years. I enjoyed both of them. The F-28 used early generation fan jets, the Spey, and they were fuel hogs. But back in the day that was all they had. The Tay engines were great though.
Why did it take so long to do a video on fokker, i have been waiting for this video since 2021. but grateful you did it.
excellent video.
as you say, this is 2024. i flew on this, AA, out of tulsa all the time. didn't know what it was at the time. actually didn't know what it was until i saw this video.
loved the plane.
this fokker and the b717 were my favorites. i wonder if they have anything in common? hmmmmmmm
I’m proud to say that I live in the Fokker 100 capital of the world, Perth Western Australia, they are great for our flight in fly out miners
My first flight, at 9 months old was on one of these beauties :D
The GOAT is back!!!
They were used by Austrian for their GRZ to DUS service, which I have to take quite often... absolutely loved them - now all of them have been replaced by e195s 😢
I remember being shocked back in the day when I was on a flight and realized the word "Fokker" was on the little aircraft description brochure. Fokker??? Passenger jet??? In the US??? 😄
Fokker used to make planes in the USA. Americas first four engine airliner was the Fokker F-32 back in the early 30s.
Fokker sold many aircraft in the USA, going back to the 1920s. Fokker lost the market after a crash involving football coach Knute Rockne in 1931. It turned out the main wing spar was rotten due to water seepage. It came back in the 1960s with the F27 and F28 and later the F100.
Здравствуйте! А что случилось с русскоязычным каналом? Пришло оповещение о видео с каким-то чуваком и битком. А теперь, пишет, что канал удален😢
Ютюб его восстановит
@@meflute2266очень надеюсь 😢
Что случилось с основным каналом?
5 FOKKER 100 still fly in Papua new Guinea as a domestic flight and international and the plane still in good condition to this day.
It was a great and incredably easy to fly aircraft. To bad things happenned like they did.
Скай, что происходит с основным каналом?
Hey it the second jet on the left, My very first solo trip when I was still classed as unaccompanied minor was to SWF to PIT. Stewart was not a big operation back then so you walked out to the plane and it was "second jet on the left" for my flight on USAir.
That is so sad what a bummer
Its quite sad this company collapsed. The restart of the Fokker is called Rekkof (basicly Fokker in reverse) and is headed by the old guard of Fokker. Currently they are working on a F100 Neo version with hydrogen, with funding help from the European Union and engine from Rolls-Royce. I do hope to see the company & planes fly/built again.
My cousin was an aircraft mechanic the Fokker nickname was the Fukker hard to work on.
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Очень жаль, что основной канал сломался. Подпишусь пока здесь.
One of the problems where currency differences. Selling the plane in dollars, but buying parts in Guilders costed a huge amount of money because the USD was becoming cheaper and cheaper.
It took a lot of years before Fokker changed and started paying their suppliers in dollars..... But by then it was already too late to save Fokker.
Still, as a former regular F-100 and F-28 passenger in 90s-2000s, the sound of F-28's RR Speys were more iconic because they howled like a fighter jet, while F-100’s RR Tays were just...soft, like a hairdryer
F-100 one of my favorites
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Pls make announcement here if you decide to restart it.
Great plane. The only thing that killed it was that the appreciation of the Dutch Guilder over the depreciating US Dollar priced it out of the market.
And a ton of things mentioned in the video.
Lack of industrial capacity-the same of which plagued other European manufacturers which was the reason for the consolidation of the British and French manufacturers (BAC, Aerospatiale) and development of international partnerships like Panavia, SEPECAT, Concorde, Airbus, and CFM.
Also the expense of redesigning the aircraft that was too awkwardly sized for the American market.. too small to be a narrow body mainliner.. and too large to fit into the scope clause of regional carriers (the MD-95/Boeing 717 suffered from the same problem).
And finally ruthless competition from better placed competitors. Between Bombardier and Embraer they eliminated no less than 8 manufacturers of regional aircraft. Beechcraft, Fairchild, SAAB, BAE, Hawker, Dornier, Fokker, and Boeing.
QANTAS still files the F100. Check flight radar 24 - common to see a dozen of them in the air. Also regional airlines to WA minesites. It is a very tough and safe plane.
У вас русскоязычный канал ломанули и там какой то прямой эфир про биткоин
I flew on a Fokker 70 once. I was rescheduled from a cancelled flight and I got the last seat at the back wall, near the engine. It was very loud and uncomfortable.
I am sure there was at least one other passenger who would have loved to switch seats with you!
You can still catch them many times a day flying in and out of Perth with Qantas Link, Virgin Aus Regional and Alliance! Luckily they'll still be around for a little while longer 🙏
Будет ли восстановлен оригинальный канал на русском?
Another knock against the Fokker F28/100 is the airfoil is stall critical during icing conditions and cannot handle even light contamination. With major icing incidents in Dryden Onatrio and then in New York the plane fell out of favor with North American operators.
Appreciate the subtitles!
Brazil's Embraer should have stepped in as a partner if they had foresight. The Brazilians missed out on a gem 💎.
I doubt that the Brazilians would be very receptive to that after the F100 accidents in the 90s...
@@natirasohumana Those accidents were not based on a design flaw of the aircraft but pilot error. Before the F100, there had been the F28 and F50 both with good safety records. Anyway, my point is, partnership with an existing aircraft manufacturer is a wonderful opportunity to acquire technology in aircraft manufacturing within the shortest possible time and maybe open new markets in South America, Asia and Europe.
@4evertrue830 the big F100 accident was based on a design flaw though...Fokker had to redesign the thrust reversor because the investigators found out they had redesigned it after certification and the way it was done turned it into not airworthy lol, and the other minor ones were not pilot error, they were something else. It would be the same thing as doing a partnership with Boeing in the middle of the MAX crisis. Oh wait
SKY have you made a video about Fokker 50 or Fokker 27? Those are the most imortant for me.
Those lil Fokker’s are so Cute though!😅!
Flew on several in the 1990s with Air UK. Also flew on the 146 with them. The Fokker 100 was roomier