A lot of older tools were junk (bad designs), though today, manufacturing quality is more the issue. But the older tools that people have kept all these years were the good ones. That's why older tools seem better.
We have that exact same planer at work, been using it for years, but you blew my mind with the segmented parts moving independently! Ours is either set up incorrectly, or been damaged in some way because I'm certain it's never moved like that. We also experience problems with the motor belts and poor motor mount system and excessive snipe from the bed rollers... now I know how to tackle those problems! Thanks!
It seems that some of these older tools don't have that super high quality that I hear from the older guys. There are some old guys in the neighborhood where I live and they scoff at my $20 angle grinder that I use quite often. It's been three years since I bought it and it's still going strong.
Raising the board slightly only helps with snipe that's caused by the board drooping, but that is only one of many causes of snipe. It does nothing for snipe from bed rollers (actually, if anything, it makes it worse)
hi mathias i have a 20" thicknesser and i love it! it was the one big ticket item i bought when i set my shop up at home. being able to glue up side a little thick and then planing down to the correct thickness gives me a guarunteed surface. i do agree with you about the table rollers. it took me a long time to get them exactly right where snipe is no longer a concern, but it was worth it. maybe its because it only ten years old i find setting the knives really super easy and accurate.
Not usually. If it's an auto-feed planer, you should just lightly push the board into the planer, and it should feed through. You don't usually have to push or force anything unless it's a rough board (and the feeders aren't engaging).
This looks amazingly like the Grizzly G5850Z still a current model and a really great machine, it will anything you feed it. I recently got one as an add on to my General 130 as it only goes to 15" width, the Grizzly is 20" and wider models are available, biggest disadvantage is it wants 50 Amps 220v to go. No belt issue, no snipe, I love it. Mick West Regina Canada
Thank you for the tour. I've also worked with machines that have rollers in the bed but I've only found them to be a nuisance as knots and chips (from softwoods) tend to jam in between and prevent the timber from feeding.
Thank you for this clear explanation of this large industrial style machine. Again, I appreciate the way you tell the truth with the benefit of your experience. That's VERY valuable for woodworkers planning a purchase of a planer!
It looks quite a nice machine. I used machinery back in the 60's, any imperfections were irrelevant, as all wood, in those days, was hand planed prior to glue up. I have yet to see any machine match the finish of a hand planing. Thanks James
Perhaps I can help... I have used several different small shop models over the last twenty years of furniture making, including Delta and a couple of cheap Chinese models. I am currently using a DeWalt 14-inch model and it has been my favorite one so far. It causes little snipe if set up properly and it's large enough to accommodate reasonable sized pieces of lumber. I keep it bolted down to a dedicated surface and I have rollers built into the in feed and out feed surfaces. It's costly, though.
That is one big planer.... Looks like a grizzly here in the USA..... Are most of the green tools craftex brand???? Thank you for taking the time to show us this planer....Will this become your new shop?? Might be time for a dust collector... Your dad had a great shop. Looks like a great place to have a great time. Keep the Vidz coming. Take Care, Michael Frey
The infeed roller being segmented also allows for multiple boards to be run through the planer at the same time. Something you should not do with a solid drive roller since a slightly thicker board can reduce the amount of downward pressure on the thinner board leading to a potential kickback. While on the topic of kickbacks, please stand to the side while feeding the board into the planer. You don't want to be on the receiving side of a kickback; particularly when you look at where the board it typically aimed!!
That looks like its the same one we have in our shop room at school! it does have quite a lot of snipe. Im not sue if ours has those bed rollers but I'm pretty sure it is the same machine. As for the collection of the shavings, we have a part of an air duct system rigged up to it to suck out all the shavings.
A friend of mine has a similar machine...but has a plastic tarpaulin where the chips spit out...all he has to do then is just drag the tarp over to the bin, fold it in half and feed it to the sawdust bin...saves him heaps of time with cleaning his shop.
To be fair, though, that huge planer isn't really designed to make beautiful perfectly smooth surfaces. It's a beast, and like the one we use where I work (a very similar one by General), we only use it for rough planing. We use it to thin down thousands of board feet before running it through moulding machines, or for things like 5x5 posts, etc. When we need a really nice planed finish, we use a smaller dedicated planer with good knives.
I've had quite different experiences with machinery, the older, the better it seems to work and last. Once the factor of wear and repair is accounted for I have a machine that will outlast any modern tool and I won't have a need to upgrade.
That looks like the planer the lumber yard had years ago when I needed cubes of wood for a puzzle. They cut 1 inch square oak strips for me and then put them through the planer. I tried to help at the output but the strips vibrated so much, they tore a layer of skin off my finger.
I bought a Ridgid planer for $50 off a guy who thought it was broken because the brushes were worn. I felt bad for little while but I got over it. I got a table saw, band saw, joiner, and planer for $450. Everything is Ridgid except the band saw. I just need to finish setting up my workshop and start making sawdust.
For anyone who cares to know, Craftex tools are imported into Canada by Busy Bee Tools, which belongs to the brother of the owner of Grizzly here in the USA.
Matthias: As always very good video. It looks like you can still use it for rough planing (? on the spelling) and then use your good planner to finish. That way you save your good knifes.
The cutterblock looks to me to be a shearcut block that was an optional extra to plane curly grained hardwoods and was supposed to prevent breakout. It needed a special setting tool to set the knives
I have this exact planer but have been unable to find replacement cutter blades. I have contacted and Eastern Machine in Taiwan but they have not responded back. Does anyone in the U.S. sell parts and replacement bearings etc. for this machine
check the bed rollers as these should be adjustable, they need to be high for planing sawn timber with high moisture content and lower for furniture and joinery grade timber
There is a company called woodtek that seems to make the same planer today (I have one) they're about 3k new with the 3 knife head and about $5200 with the spiral head
Instead of building a contraption to direct the shavings into the room, why wouldn't you just turn the machine 90 degrees and have them blow directly into the room?
With all the portable planers out there I personally like the dewalt as a all around small planer for the ay home hobby type person as thos one has three knives and you can control the speed for hardwood or softwood too! Average price is around $500 for this unit.delta has a fair one for a starter but is difficult to get parts for due to new ownership.goodluck on your purchase!
Matthais, it's a shame you don't have a very mechanical or mathematical mind....JK of course :-) Old wood working machinery is just cool, and to break one down and explain the mechanics and characteristics the machine has developed over the years makes for an interesting video. Great job as always. HGTV...Discovery Channel...CAN SOMEONE GIVE THIS MAN A TV SHOW FOR GOD SAKE!!
I own the cheaper model dewalt, crank on top, costs $400. it does well. the snipe is minimal but the knife life is not that great with three knives. the finish is great though
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I've owned the predesser to the grizzly G0454 20" Planer for 15 years and for the money you can't beat it. I own a door shop and have run thousands of board feet through the thing and it's never given me a problem.from what I can tell the new model is just painted a little different. Good luck.
A lot of older tools were junk (bad designs), though today, manufacturing quality is more the issue. But the older tools that people have kept all these years were the good ones. That's why older tools seem better.
Survivorship bias.
Those machines are never obsolete. They earn soooo much money! This one is a beast and I am suggesting you to keep it!
Love it, sounds like you and your Dad had some good times together across that machine,
Love the chip snowstorm
pcb1962 Really quite amazing/shocking.
+pcb1962 Love the darude sandstorm
We have that exact same planer at work, been using it for years, but you blew my mind with the segmented parts moving independently! Ours is either set up incorrectly, or been damaged in some way because I'm certain it's never moved like that. We also experience problems with the motor belts and poor motor mount system and excessive snipe from the bed rollers... now I know how to tackle those problems! Thanks!
segmented rollers are normally an optional extra. useful for putting multiple pieces thru the machine at the same time as it prevents throwback.
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It seems that some of these older tools don't have that super high quality that I hear from the older guys. There are some old guys in the neighborhood where I live and they scoff at my $20 angle grinder that I use quite often. It's been three years since I bought it and it's still going strong.
Raising the board slightly only helps with snipe that's caused by the board drooping, but that is only one of many causes of snipe. It does nothing for snipe from bed rollers (actually, if anything, it makes it worse)
I just bought a cheap one myself. It does a decent job.
hi mathias i have a 20" thicknesser and i love it! it was the one big ticket item i bought when i set my shop up at home. being able to glue up side a little thick and then planing down to the correct thickness gives me a guarunteed surface. i do agree with you about the table rollers. it took me a long time to get them exactly right where snipe is no longer a concern, but it was worth it. maybe its because it only ten years old i find setting the knives really super easy and accurate.
Not usually. If it's an auto-feed planer, you should just lightly push the board into the planer, and it should feed through. You don't usually have to push or force anything unless it's a rough board (and the feeders aren't engaging).
This looks amazingly like the Grizzly G5850Z still a current model and a really great machine, it will anything you feed it. I recently got one as an add on to my General 130 as it only goes to 15" width, the Grizzly is 20" and wider models are available, biggest disadvantage is it wants 50 Amps 220v to go. No belt issue, no snipe, I love it. Mick West Regina Canada
Thank you for the tour. I've also worked with machines that have rollers in the bed but I've only found them to be a nuisance as knots and chips (from softwoods) tend to jam in between and prevent the timber from feeding.
Thank you for this clear explanation of this large industrial style machine.
Again, I appreciate the way you tell the truth with the benefit of your experience.
That's VERY valuable for woodworkers planning a purchase of a planer!
It looks quite a nice machine. I used machinery back in the 60's, any imperfections were irrelevant, as all wood, in those days, was hand planed prior to glue up. I have yet to see any machine match the finish of a hand planing.
Thanks
James
Can see how the environment shaped you into the jig master and wood machine guy you are today!
I love seeing this vintage stuff! Amazing the rapid improvements in tools in only 30 years - and the drop in price! Thanks for showing.
Because then I would have to go in that room to pick the boards out of it. The boards were typically 3 meters or more in length.
Perhaps I can help... I have used several different small shop models over the last twenty years of furniture making, including Delta and a couple of cheap Chinese models. I am currently using a DeWalt 14-inch model and it has been my favorite one so far. It causes little snipe if set up properly and it's large enough to accommodate reasonable sized pieces of lumber. I keep it bolted down to a dedicated surface and I have rollers built into the in feed and out feed surfaces. It's costly, though.
That is one big planer.... Looks like a grizzly here in the USA..... Are most of the green tools craftex brand???? Thank you for taking the time to show us this planer....Will this become your new shop?? Might be time for a dust collector... Your dad had a great shop. Looks like a great place to have a great time. Keep the Vidz coming.
Take Care, Michael Frey
The infeed roller being segmented also allows for multiple boards to be run through the planer at the same time. Something you should not do with a solid drive roller since a slightly thicker board can reduce the amount of downward pressure on the thinner board leading to a potential kickback. While on the topic of kickbacks, please stand to the side while feeding the board into the planer. You don't want to be on the receiving side of a kickback; particularly when you look at where the board it typically aimed!!
whats happend to your Dad's shop now? Will you take it over one day?
That looks like its the same one we have in our shop room at school! it does have quite a lot of snipe. Im not sue if ours has those bed rollers but I'm pretty sure it is the same machine. As for the collection of the shavings, we have a part of an air duct system rigged up to it to suck out all the shavings.
A friend of mine has a similar machine...but has a plastic tarpaulin where the chips spit out...all he has to do then is just drag the tarp over to the bin, fold it in half and feed it to the sawdust bin...saves him heaps of time with cleaning his shop.
To be fair, though, that huge planer isn't really designed to make beautiful perfectly smooth surfaces. It's a beast, and like the one we use where I work (a very similar one by General), we only use it for rough planing. We use it to thin down thousands of board feet before running it through moulding machines, or for things like 5x5 posts, etc. When we need a really nice planed finish, we use a smaller dedicated planer with good knives.
I've had quite different experiences with machinery, the older, the better it seems to work and last. Once the factor of wear and repair is accounted for I have a machine that will outlast any modern tool and I won't have a need to upgrade.
exactly!
That looks like the planer the lumber yard had years ago when I needed cubes of wood for a puzzle. They cut 1 inch square oak strips for me and then put them through the planer. I tried to help at the output but the strips vibrated so much, they tore a layer of skin off my finger.
I bought a Ridgid planer for $50 off a guy who thought it was broken because the brushes were worn. I felt bad for little while but I got over it. I got a table saw, band saw, joiner, and planer for $450. Everything is Ridgid except the band saw. I just need to finish setting up my workshop and start making sawdust.
The cutter gears directly comes to power mostly now the first comes to feed roller means opposite here.
That's a mighty fine piece of machinery.
Kudos for demonstrating this machine without two types of eye protection, gas mask and a hazmat suit!
es es un vicio mirar tus videos mathias sos.un genio!!te admiro muchísimo seguí así y gracias por enseñarme tantas cosas..saludos desde Argentina! !
My school has almost the same thing in our woodshop.
For anyone who cares to know, Craftex tools are imported into Canada by Busy Bee Tools, which belongs to the brother of the owner of Grizzly here in the USA.
Matthias: As always very good video. It looks like you can still use it for rough planing (? on the spelling) and then use your good planner to finish. That way you save your good knifes.
double edged blades are $60. depending on what you plane, they last differently. I use all hardwood and they don't last long.
You need to replace the cutter head with a helical cutter. I bet there is an upgrade part out there if you go looking.
The cutterblock looks to me to be a shearcut block that was an optional extra to plane curly grained hardwoods and was supposed to prevent breakout. It needed a special setting tool to set the knives
I like this guy... Love watching your videos.
Could you please explain the physics and correct way to feed a board into a jointer? I e. Do you put pressure on the infeed or outfeed table. Thanks
I would like to get one of this planner where are their available.
Am really surprised the design of the infeed rubber really push the lumber out cause the feed roller don't have that sharp teeth to push
I have this exact planer but have been unable to find replacement cutter blades. I have contacted and Eastern Machine in Taiwan but they have not responded back. Does anyone in the U.S. sell parts and replacement bearings etc. for this machine
Dewalt are awesome planers. If you get a helical head, even better. I have porter cable, it a junk one even though its new, cant wait to upgrade it
When you say knife life are you taking between sharpening or replacing? And what is the cost of a new set of blades?
You really should get your Dad a Newman Planer. LOL
No plans. To sell the stuff wouldn't fetch that much - it's obsolete, and far from potential buyers.
hi Mattias i wanna one planer....so exactly the same ....where i find it.....Paolo from Venice Italy. thanks
Hi...mr...how milimetre diametre drum planer your planer...thank.. .
Hey I have the same planer, well its a 24 inch to be exact but same brand. I am having problems with it not feeding very well? Any suggestions? Thanks
check the bed rollers as these should be adjustable, they need to be high for planing sawn timber with high moisture content and lower for furniture and joinery grade timber
New...was something like this very expensive? Be interesting to see after inflation what something like that would cost today.
There is a company called woodtek that seems to make the same planer today (I have one) they're about 3k new with the 3 knife head and about $5200 with the spiral head
Instead of building a contraption to direct the shavings into the room, why wouldn't you just turn the machine 90 degrees and have them blow directly into the room?
Do you ever end up doing any metal work in your projects?
How many RPM's drum with blades has?
I don't know. I don't own one.
it is almost the same green that you use on your tools
Another great video. thanx
With all the portable planers out there I personally like the dewalt as a all around small planer for the ay home hobby type person as thos one has three knives and you can control the speed for hardwood or softwood too! Average price is around $500 for this unit.delta has a fair one for a starter but is difficult to get parts for due to new ownership.goodluck on your purchase!
How can I get this machine
Don't ask me. I just buy what's cheap.
Beautiful machine, They don't make 'em like they used to.
Look at that sawdust fly!
Makes my little 10" planer look puny.
Matthais, it's a shame you don't have a very mechanical or mathematical mind....JK of course :-) Old wood working machinery is just cool, and to break one down and explain the mechanics and characteristics the machine has developed over the years makes for an interesting video. Great job as always.
HGTV...Discovery Channel...CAN SOMEONE GIVE THIS MAN A TV SHOW FOR GOD SAKE!!
nothig is craftex brand. Just some generic taiwaneese make (which craftex probably is too)
I own the cheaper model dewalt, crank on top, costs $400. it does well. the snipe is minimal but the knife life is not that great with three knives. the finish is great though
Is that a german yardstick at 5:39? It says "F.H. Müller KG". Where did you get this from?
how much sir ?
That is a beast!👍
I've spent some time on the out feed end of an even older planer.... so I know the "getting blasted with shavings" feeling
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Well mats think about your youtube fans, maybe someone would buy it. Great video as ever!
Eu quero uma dessas, aqui no Brasil é muito caro...
I don't buy old tools that show little use, good tools get used.
I bet they keep you awake during surgery to double check the doctors are using the right tools
Jesse Levine - are you cutting my scalp with those doc? Yeesss why? Because they are dull take them to the tormek 🤪
I am willing to pay a price for it
Move them to your place or maybe donate them to a museum.
Классный станок .
I buy i it every day if you change pans.
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no context
A great tool
I've owned the predesser to the grizzly G0454 20" Planer for 15 years and for the money you can't beat it. I own a door shop and have run thousands of board feet through the thing and it's never given me a problem.from what I can tell the new model is just painted a little different. Good luck.
Crap! I couldn't believe how much shavings shot out at 6:07
Just looked up "dads 20" thick" and ended up here.
Update
or survival or the maintained.
very nice**
Survival of the fittest.
У меня примерно такой станок 1940 года.Я из России.
Make more cool projects
When this restore it's beter then new SCM, Hammer..because this have 600kg new have 300kg. Stabililty is most important for woodworking mashine!
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Fix the machine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll give you $100 for it. How you can stand the noise that thing produces...wow.
+metamech That is a very quiet 20 inch planer,, you should hear the real old square head planers run!
metamech you.look.for.100.for.it.tex.me
Hearing protection bro!
5:43 a "Zollstock"....those are not used in Canada or the States, i believe….