I'm not mad GGG is nerfing skills and interactions. I'm mad my time is being wasted. I want to test the game but if they're gonna delete builds with no respec since most of us spent gold to play the build... It just feels worse than dying at the last boss in a sanctum run you've spent 45 minutes in.
Yea, I feel everyone is straw manning what people are actually upset about - It's the lack of reasonable recourse. If people could pivot without feeling like they need to slog through a gold grind, I think the backlash wouldn't be nearly as bad. However, as things stand, this feels rushed to say the least.
@lolersthe4th880 Totally the problem lies in the respec not the nerf itself. I don't care if it isn't viable. I want the option to switch to something else in an instant and have fun again. The switch is the problem.
@@Dragon211 agree with you abt respec and they'll probably more cheap in 2 to 3 days. But also remember is an EA so even you got no nerf your effort will be waste in 2 to 6 months so chill.
0:22 No, Ziz ... it's not just 'this build' that got nerfed. They nerfed every 'cast on ...' skill, including stuff like cast on shock which was not overpowered in the slightest. Now a lot of shock builds that were selfmade by your average joe have become complete garbage. I invested fully into shock chance on both the skill tree and with my ascendancy points ... and now cast on shock never even procs when doing a map. The only time it procs is against bosses, but never against white/blue/yellow enemies in maps. How can people like Ziz be so one-sided and think that those decisions by GGG only impacted one single build that some no-life streamer was playing? This nerf hit almost every single sorc player, as well as some others. I don't have 400k gold to respec my character and I'm not playing another class to maps just because my own diy build got killed by GGG. Also, why would I wanna start something else if that might get nerfed into the ground as well even if it wasn't overpowered, just like my shock sorc? And yeah, some people are gonna say 'it's early access', yeah you're right ... which is why I've stopped playing now. Motivation is gone and who knows what else I might start would get nerfed as well.
I think people are exaggerating about being "completely bricked" and needing to respec their entire tree. Surely you can just spec out of the energy nodes and put them towards other relevant caster node and still have an ok self cast build. If you can't then you're build/gear was probably pretty bad to begin with.
I'm Korean and this is my first time playing Poe. I had a lot of fun and cleared all the acts on 3 hours of sleep for 3 days. I thought to myself, "Okay, I've got my build set up, I'll start playing the real game tomorrow, after I get a good night's sleep." When I came back, my build was trashed to the point of being unusable. Their modus operandi is so extreme. If you're getting paid to test and sell, there should be some level of convenience. The biggest problem is that they scream about diversity in builds, but can't do anything about it because of the gold issue. It really sucks.
honestly a free respec on a patch, or every x days etc seems to be a good way to go, and then let us interact with the ingame system the rest of the time with gold cost.
you go hard on one character that is OP on first try, lucky or unlucky, or did you use a guide like maxroll? I play multiple characters, and dont use guides because its more fun to discover the game on full release I go my favorite I bet many people dont know you can click all gems on support gems for example
@@Cheekie-8p5e Would be a nice idea a bit later down the line. There are so many of these broken builds still because the game is not even a week out and they cant possibly know and see all the combinations. Giving out free respecs every single patch would defeat the idea of the gold system and some casual players would think its the norm to nonstop get free resets even if they don't need it. Then everyone will be mad we wont have free resets nonstop when one build has issues. But clearly these builds were predicted to be instantly nerfed. In what world should a build one button delete a boss? GGG even explained in their interviews they nerf these not because they hate the idea of you morons having fun but it literally makes all the other builds feel useless and weak. And BAM everyone plays the same fking build because thats the one hit boss meta shit right now. I'm not a pro in any way even with 3k hours in poe1 and honestly its uber disheartening to see ppl insta delete a boss from 2 skills because of an unintended mechanic like rain of arrows shotgunning on bigger bosses etc while my own "normal" build i can clear stuff but slow and i die a lot. I'm talking about stuff explicitly that is uber powerful by the mechanic itself not because its a minmaxed 300div build. And yea i could go do the meta build and be done with the game but if we want diversity there should be actually options to play anything else than the oneshot builds that got nerfed so far. And while buffing everything to oneshot meta would be fun at first , you would lose interest in the game almost isntantly as there is literally nowhere to go and nothing to achive anymore. You insta delete the uber boss GG now what? Do a nother build? Oh wait that can insta delete the uber boss to why the fk would you bother??? I'm honestly angry at the community because these crazy uber clearspeed meta builds managed to make GGG desperate to balance and nerf things. I'm still mad that in poe 1 my favorite skill " Freezing Pulse " got nerfed to the ground because of the broken totem builds. GGG didn't even consider it then that there are players who love to play that skill self casting and nerfed the skill hard and removed the Unique jewel Frist Snow from the drop pool that gave Freezing Pulse more projectiles. As a self caster my build was utterly destroyed but totem freezing pulse builds barely got put in their place. Since then i don't fking care about meta bitches crying about their lovely insta screenwhipe onebutton autobomber afk boskiller 3000 nerfed. I get having fun with a nasty build but bitching about losing 50% of your damage while the remaining 50% still clears faster than most of what the community is playing with you have no right to whine and beg for free respec every single milisecond when you feel you are wronged. I understand GGG had to nerf the skill but because i'm a minority my voice in the forum about self casting freezing pulse was fking unheard of. It was drowned by the totem builders who were sad the had to watch the boss live 1 second longer while they sipped their hot coffee in the corner as the totems obliterated the permafrozen unable to move bosses and they couldnt handle the stress of 1 more second. You can clearly see the same shit in the forums about the cast on crit / cast on freeze right now. Seen streamer play it since the nerf ... it still autoclears everything... takes 1-2 seconds longer but the forums are full of whiny kids. This community is an egotistic cesspool. League of Legends players are atleast openly toxic ... Path of Exile community pretends to be perfect and whine harder than a pig on the slauther row. Equally bad. :)
ur first time playing poe but you somehow made the most broken build and after one update its unusable? just find a new game brodie unless ur straight up lying to make us feel bad for your build lmao
It's not about the nerf... the nerf was inevitable. It's about getting your build and your character bricked. A single node respec costs ~4k gold... 50 points = 200k gold No casual player has 200k gold on hand while also rolling gear buying from vendors and gambling for gear...
Respecs should be a low cost regardless. Respeccing alone requires so much time and you shouldn't be punished so heavily for testing things out in a new game. Act maps being so freaking huge (and somewhat random locations of the points of interests) also makes making a new character an insane slog unless you're a hardcore player that opted for it. I opted for a more defensive build in the beginning, had to reroll when I found out that there were so many hard dps check mechanics in the game
@@Roflmao6173 Respecing is also a mechanic that needs testing like everything else in the game, making it free makes that impossible. It's also not intended to remake entire builds, only couple of nodes, so the price being that high is really not that surprising. Giving an option to reset your skill tree after each patch would make more sense. It also does follow layouts like it did in Poe1. I spent a little over 40 hours clearing the campaign on my first character, but im nearly done on my second in less than 10.
Toxic positivity is a beautiful term for this. Exactly what it is. Yes, obviously this is early access. Obviously shit gets nerfed. But they didn't provide buffs for other weak builds. They didn't give people playing those builds and testing them for them (remember, you are basically doing their QA job) a respecc. Them nerfing wvery single "cast on...blah" thing means, that even non-OP builds gor nerfed into the ground.....this company deserves kudos, obviously. But those streamer fetishists don't need to beat their meat over GGG's every decision. Wake me up when 1.0 comes out. Bloody hell.
He literally made a video critizing the decision of making such a hard nerf without allowing for easy respec and explaining how people are logically upset. He is often critical of GGG decisions, I don't think he "defends" them for the sake of it, but rather just has his own opinions.
Ziz is by far the most "smiles in your face"-type of toxic I've ever seen. I went to watch his stream once and he was so irritable and flippant - he even told me to go fuck myself when I asked him how he feels. Never again.
@@Mayhamsdead and people like this are hailed like royalty in this day and age, all he does is play video games and be salty about it, he literally thinks the community is beneath him but people are too stupid to understand it, same with lily and steelmage, the most genuine ones include Ghazzy, raze qt, and raxx
He's not defending GGG. He's telling us that it was obvious it was a bugged interaction. Jungroan is basically stress testing the game to find the bugged interactions and dipshits are copying his builds. 😂
I don't see a forum for the bosses to cry about getting one shot... The game was made for the players, not the ai. I'd get it if they nerved it slightly to see the impact- but they fucking bricked lots of builds
@@jordanlopez4131 They didn't brick shit. At 1:06 that guy delete the boss instantly with a single trigger if that skill. Yall are just malding over the fact you can't kill them even faster then that.😂
The issue is not about Trigger Comet being nerfed is wrong, I think it deserved a nerf. I personally would have been fine with a 50% nerf, but it's a 95% nerf. It's 20 times as bad now. That's the issue. The devs created a mechanic called Trigger gems and they are worthless now. Why create something fun and make it so it's worthless and no one will use it? That doesn't make sense as game design at all. What is sad is that the fix would be so simple they just need to adjust the calculation. Keep energy generation tied to monster power like they did and add a small flat amount to it. I don't have the right numbers but let's say for example, 5 energy per freeze. So now if the small mobs give you 1 energy (power) + 5 energy and the bosses give you 50 energy (power) + 5, then it scales much better and works both against small mobs and bosses. Only scaling it on power is the issue.
What you are saying is fully contradicting yourself. The cast on crit /freeze etc skills got nerfed because they overperformed everything else. These skills should trigger spells SOMETIMES. That is the goal of the skill to trigger spells SOMETIMES when a condition is met not nonstop. The goal was never permafreezing and isnta bombing the whole screen to death. A skill autocasting sometimes is still fun. You having to do something between monster packs should be the norm. And not sure what you saw / what you play but the stuff i seen in streams the trigger skills still insta delete bosses even after the nerf. Same with gas+fire screenbomb and the supercharged slam thing. The trigger skills are not worthless they are doing their job perfectly and triggering skills SOMETIMES. Your argument is invalid. Imagine you actually have to play the game .... the audacity that it doesn't play itself for you. Oh wait it does ... but a bit slower ... huh .. so sad.
@@ImmaterialDream Do you know the difference between the pre and post nerf on the 'Cast on X' skills? Or are you just assuming it was a "slight nerf" where now comet still triggers every so often? Because it doesn't take long to find a video to show the difference. Also it wasn't overperforming, there are many builds out there that are much more stronger and 'screen clearing' than any of the CoX builds - see ranger builds.
@@hugomak244 Uhhh yes i saw how it was and my opinion is the same. Btw the post nerf is literally the first video in this compilation. Its still op its autocasting so much for you basically for free. Just because you get much less NOHAND casting than before its now working as INTENDED ORIGINALLY. The skill was never designed to do content for you by itself BUT IT DID. Also you are uber naive if you think after supercharge slam, gas+explosion, rain of arrow and cast on skills got nerferd ranger builds wont . You think GGG is miracle makers ?? they cant do everything at once but it will happen pretty soon. So my opinion still stands. I have played poe1 since breach in 2017 i seen all the crazy builds and how they got nerfed and its all the same. you morons cant understand that these builds are killing build diversity wsich is the SOUL of POE. Poe and nuts ideas were made exactly because there was COMPETITION between skills to be the BEST. If skills like these are left alone so early in the games life all youll see are the same autobomber builds with a different cast on bullshit method and eventually everyone will be bored cus the game fking plays itself for you. Btw the " wasnt overperforming " part. My dude :) its a ranged AUTOCASTING build that FROZE/shock everything after you casted a few skills originally then it made an endless loop of itself. You could basically WALK and just exist and loot or maybe dodge once in a blue moon to not die. Meanwhile average casual builds were fighting for their life in melee dodging and slowly clearing packs. If this is not overperforming then you have no idea what that actually means. GGG nerfed the skill so its not andendless loop. Wow world is ending you have to ... oh god its hard to say ... you ... you have to .. oh my PLAY THE GAME SLOW like the rest of us plebs .... THE HORROR .
The fact that most people crying about broken builds being nerf'd, then dying to bosses cause they don't know the mechanics, says something. If the game is designed to be challenging, and players find a way to break that challenge, it shouldn't be a surprised Pikachu that it gets nerf'd.
@@5chneemensch138 Counter intuitive to what exactly? Alot of the bosses skills are made with dodging in mind. Unless you just play ranged and run out n circles the whole time while across the map.
I've died against the Miller, the first real challenge after character creation, after nearly every new alt I've made. I have read zero guides, have zero experience with PoE1, and have never dodge-rolled to safety before this game. The combat style is like a completely different language for me and my game deaths are hilarious and predictable. I haven't had this much fun climbing a hill in years!
After playing a sorc with a random mitchen sink comet build with mana problems and constantly getting 1 shot, it's great to see that they're nerfing it to the ground, while monks are 2-shotting bosses . . .
Just started playing PoE for the first time, is this usual that they completely gut the fun/good builds? or is this just a PoE2 thing? i heard people said they wouldnt do this or atleast let you respec for free
I also heard people mention that they wouldn't nerf anything or the respecs would be free, but I've never seen an actual source for that. and the only things they nerfed were incredibly broken builds which was obvious. it's basically a beta and all of us are the beta testers. everyone should've known that broken shit would get fixed pretty fast. p.s. if you're talking about the frost mage nerf there's still viable frost mage builds just not as broken as the comet cast on freeze build.
They changed how cast on ignite works too, and somehow no matter how many fire spells I cast I didnt get even 1% progress toward trigger so I changed the trigger mechanic to cast on minion death... now my trigger goes off like quarter of the time as often but its more than never xD Maaaan GGG are going to have their work cut out for them to try and balance everything around this game. I dont envy them. (but I do believe its going to end in good spot)
I'm pretty sure he talked about it on one of his last few videos, its just a support for the rest of the team, idk exactly the build but I think he said it was using the time freeze node and the ability reset node. It's definitely not for single play if that is what you are looking for.
As others have said, we're playing early access, this is the time to expect sweeping nerfs, the nerfs hurt, but ruining people's builds and then making them spend all of their gold respecting is not ok. Also if we could respect way more then we have way more time to try other builds, find bugs and balance issues, the Devs should want us respecting and trying things out!
I am literally curious what's in the devs heads, thinking that nerfing a skill to be 14 TIMES weaker is a good idea, they either hatewatch streamers or not much intelligent person is making important decisions
@@kingregicide810 I think for some poe1 players their goal is to not actual play the game once in a map. Their game is theory crafting and builds that let them afk farm.
They deleted freeze characters and as a cold sorceress you don't even have useful damage skills to begin with. But let warrior, ranger and mercenaries keep their full screen/1tab combos. Straight up brain dead decision. Let people have fun! But no, fun is not allowed for all.
kinda at a loss what to do now. couldn't make spark stormweaver work in act 3, switched to COF to clear campaign and got to maps a day ago. woke up today with the build destroyed, and having to work a day on top. back home now, i don't think i can make sorc work with 20ex in the bank.
@@143shanks except this is free, while people paid 70 bucks for D4 just to get their shit pushed by Blizzard on release with the most retarded noob level development bugs like broken elemental resistances that made the stat useless and didn't get fixed after SEVERAL MONTHS, item dupe exploits, infinite chests, hotfixes, nerfs, you name it.
That Last Part was like fkin Vampire Survivors Nightmare. GGG is Cooked. The Idiots are nerfing freezing again. What they want, to everyone to just use Lightning which is Braindead. We thought they were trying to get away from PoE One Shot Mode and i see a lot of deleting tryharding going on here.
Switched to fireball and now I can’t evade shit because my screen is covered in particle effects. Suppppper fun….. now I get to respec again… to what only lightning ? I’m going to try melee since I’ll be able to actually dodge projectiles that one shot my mage.
I wouldnt be mad so much about the nerfs if it came with a “heres a free entire tree respec” im not a meta player i have followed no guides ive spent time gold and mats testing things finding what was good and using it completely oblivious to others builds, for me to get bricked where i cant progress or do on level content easily, have to back track and try to make gold to then spend 4k a node to respec of which i have to save a bunch for to not totally brick myself is extremely disheartening as someone who isnt able to play all day i work 7 days a week, was a huge poe1 enjoyer with just under 2k hours i get its EA, but that only seems to further my point…. its EA give us the respecs wheres the harm in that so we can find another build without having to sink another 2 day game time into a new char to get another build… that might also end up getting drug through the mud
They nerfing this like its an esport conpetitive game… like chill its a single player game why does it even matter if one build is stronger than another
@@celphalonred1999 When was this ? preseason? D4 has left all the broken builds in the game alone unless they were bugfixes. And they even left bugs in the game.
Wait....Didn't GGG say in the beginning that attacks and damaging effects were gonna be better telegraphed than in Poe1? Seems like every other clip is a one shot out of nowhere and someone saying "WTF" 🤣
I think for the next round of patches they should limit slams to 90% of your life, then to balance it whenever you get hit by one create a healing debuff on your character for a few seconds. I mean technically you can dodge and position vs all of them but every once in awhile you just don't see the effect. Random one shot mechanics are never fun. And while technically not random it can certainly feel that way. Also they need to set a limit on CC locking bosses. That's not healthy at all.
Man im so happy i didn't just search up a meta build... i found my own way and have spent 70k gold on re specs so far just fixing mistakes ive made. Now my sorc is fun to play with almost no nerf potential
I think a lot of people shy away from path of exile because of the epileptic strobe end game. Not seeing where you're going just dashing around the map filling it with particles. It's just not fun or engaging to a lot of people. I love seeing that out the gate they're trying to avoid that situation. Hopefully they do something that has a bit more balanced. My guess is most likely the triggered skill will have reduced damage or a built-in cooldown that's appropriate. They should however get everyone a non stacking respec at a special NPC every time they make these giant changes. Just to make it feel nice.
I agree. I want difficult content that isnt boiled down to "My afk build owns entire dungeons" and then when i die i say, "WTF!". Maybe a bit more nuance and gameplay decision over afk builds.
I would definitely play POE a lot more if there was some sort of fix to the visual clutter of player skills. If there was an option for player skill opacity, I'd make it completely invisible by the time I start maps.
@@Cheekie-8p5e I'm sorry, but PoE is never going to be that. No matter how much GGG will try to nuke those types of builds, people will try to make it happen. When it will stop happening, people will quit, because the rest of the game is designed around clearing entire screens, that's the only way to be safe in this game. That's how PoE1 was, and it appears that they have not learned their lesson: they keep monster damage very high, visual clarity is shit, random one shots still happen, etc. That's not the fault of the players, that's GGG's fault, this is the game they made. In PoE1 they told us that that the monster damage is so high because players are too fast. Now that players are slow, monster damage is still even higher than it was in PoE1, so what's the point?
They need to allow free respecs during pre 1.0. Aka pre launch. Simple. Nerfs or buffs are fine. But not making transitions possible is silly. I would make a new char and not bother.
Hmm i kinda liked the power fantasy of getting overpowered with some investment thats the fun of it, this nerf might have been a bit 2 much maybe do half of the energy nerf so it just casually procs but not like perma proccing, as of now it nearlx never procs.
Oh they got me Morty! They bricked my build Morty! They bricked it! I'll never financially recover from this! I spent all my orbs and gold rolling these items and they're worthless now! I can't afford to respec Morty!
I think the biggest hate right now is time theft. I'm posting this in as many places as I can: Items vendor for gold and items are tradable; ergo, gold IS tradeable. GGG please stop it with the difficulty. Just give us the fun winnable game that we want to play and spend money to support. Give us a game that rewards the grind and allows for progression.
Easy solution: don't play the game until the full release. If GGG likes more this way then let them test for theirselves since we payed to test their game and we got sand f*ucked with the nerfs. Not even a respec token, just "play other build guys" bricking you for 10 hrs just to get enough gold to actually try other builds
5:00 exactly those people are not ment to play this game . please GGG do your own thing and never listen to such casual player 13:45 cant dissagree more. there is probably always an excuse around for some people. some people really complaining after playing 40 hours exessive about 23 euro... please come back to earth again 13:54 some people riding the wave like everybody should.
4:55 I love when streamers say "go outside" or "touch grass", when it's literally their job to be a no lifer staring at a monitor all day. Maybe YOU should go outside.
The sorc absolutely sucks. Cast on freeze, which the game feels like it wants you to play, was the only thing that felt good. I didn't even follow a guide just made my own mediocre build I didn't even know Jung had it like that lol. Now the character I have 40 hours on is bricked because I spent all my gold yesterday buying vendor gear to roll because I needed to upgrade. I tried clearing the area i was in for gold. It took 30 minutes with my nerfed build and i got 2k gold. Its gonna cost me 180k gold to respec. Wtf. And forget rerolling, the campaign isnt that enjoyable and how do i know the next build i make isn't gonna get shit canned
@@fixo5132 "just reroll" might be a good idea to look around and see what people are saying... you know, like they CANT reroll because its to absurdly expensive?
seeing all these op builds and then me struggling with my own shit own is kinda depressing lmao
Their job, your hobby. Big difference.
"this is so nerdy" got me to laugh sooo good 🤣
I'm not mad GGG is nerfing skills and interactions. I'm mad my time is being wasted. I want to test the game but if they're gonna delete builds with no respec since most of us spent gold to play the build... It just feels worse than dying at the last boss in a sanctum run you've spent 45 minutes in.
@@Dragon211 Absolutely. 100% On point. The nerf is not the problem. The respec is.
Yea, I feel everyone is straw manning what people are actually upset about - It's the lack of reasonable recourse. If people could pivot without feeling like they need to slog through a gold grind, I think the backlash wouldn't be nearly as bad. However, as things stand, this feels rushed to say the least.
@lolersthe4th880 Totally the problem lies in the respec not the nerf itself. I don't care if it isn't viable. I want the option to switch to something else in an instant and have fun again. The switch is the problem.
what the fuck do you think testing entails....
@@Dragon211 agree with you abt respec and they'll probably more cheap in 2 to 3 days. But also remember is an EA so even you got no nerf your effort will be waste in 2 to 6 months so chill.
0:22 No, Ziz ... it's not just 'this build' that got nerfed. They nerfed every 'cast on ...' skill, including stuff like cast on shock which was not overpowered in the slightest.
Now a lot of shock builds that were selfmade by your average joe have become complete garbage.
I invested fully into shock chance on both the skill tree and with my ascendancy points ... and now cast on shock never even procs when doing a map.
The only time it procs is against bosses, but never against white/blue/yellow enemies in maps.
How can people like Ziz be so one-sided and think that those decisions by GGG only impacted one single build that some no-life streamer was playing?
This nerf hit almost every single sorc player, as well as some others.
I don't have 400k gold to respec my character and I'm not playing another class to maps just because my own diy build got killed by GGG.
Also, why would I wanna start something else if that might get nerfed into the ground as well even if it wasn't overpowered, just like my shock sorc?
And yeah, some people are gonna say 'it's early access', yeah you're right ... which is why I've stopped playing now. Motivation is gone and who knows what else I might start would get nerfed as well.
@@z0ttel89 Ziz is the most......Arpg streamer. Don't know why people even watch him. Right next to pwn4 whatever his name was.
Yeah that was the dumbest take ive ever heard lmao. People werent surprised it got nerfed, but it got fucking absolutely nuked
yeah slight difference if meteor gets procced 100 times or if I need 5 groups to proc my damn arc on freeze xD
I see Ziz with his statement.....Any Ranger, 07:05 or 13:55 yeah but thats fine. What the faq is going on inside his mind?
I think people are exaggerating about being "completely bricked" and needing to respec their entire tree. Surely you can just spec out of the energy nodes and put them towards other relevant caster node and still have an ok self cast build. If you can't then you're build/gear was probably pretty bad to begin with.
I'm Korean and this is my first time playing Poe.
I had a lot of fun and cleared all the acts on 3 hours of sleep for 3 days.
I thought to myself, "Okay, I've got my build set up, I'll start playing the real game tomorrow, after I get a good night's sleep." When I came back, my build was trashed to the point of being unusable. Their modus operandi is so extreme. If you're getting paid to test and sell, there should be some level of convenience.
The biggest problem is that they scream about diversity in builds, but can't do anything about it because of the gold issue. It really sucks.
honestly a free respec on a patch, or every x days etc seems to be a good way to go, and then let us interact with the ingame system the rest of the time with gold cost.
you go hard on one character that is OP on first try, lucky or unlucky, or did you use a guide like maxroll?
I play multiple characters, and dont use guides because its more fun to discover the game
on full release I go my favorite
I bet many people dont know you can click all gems on support gems for example
The no life hurt me to read.
@@Cheekie-8p5e Would be a nice idea a bit later down the line. There are so many of these broken builds still because the game is not even a week out and they cant possibly know and see all the combinations. Giving out free respecs every single patch would defeat the idea of the gold system and some casual players would think its the norm to nonstop get free resets even if they don't need it. Then everyone will be mad we wont have free resets nonstop when one build has issues.
But clearly these builds were predicted to be instantly nerfed. In what world should a build one button delete a boss? GGG even explained in their interviews they nerf these not because they hate the idea of you morons having fun but it literally makes all the other builds feel useless and weak. And BAM everyone plays the same fking build because thats the one hit boss meta shit right now.
I'm not a pro in any way even with 3k hours in poe1 and honestly its uber disheartening to see ppl insta delete a boss from 2 skills because of an unintended mechanic like rain of arrows shotgunning on bigger bosses etc while my own "normal" build i can clear stuff but slow and i die a lot. I'm talking about stuff explicitly that is uber powerful by the mechanic itself not because its a minmaxed 300div build. And yea i could go do the meta build and be done with the game but if we want diversity there should be actually options to play anything else than the oneshot builds that got nerfed so far. And while buffing everything to oneshot meta would be fun at first , you would lose interest in the game almost isntantly as there is literally nowhere to go and nothing to achive anymore. You insta delete the uber boss GG now what? Do a nother build? Oh wait that can insta delete the uber boss to why the fk would you bother???
I'm honestly angry at the community because these crazy uber clearspeed meta builds managed to make GGG desperate to balance and nerf things. I'm still mad that in poe 1 my favorite skill " Freezing Pulse " got nerfed to the ground because of the broken totem builds. GGG didn't even consider it then that there are players who love to play that skill self casting and nerfed the skill hard and removed the Unique jewel Frist Snow from the drop pool that gave Freezing Pulse more projectiles. As a self caster my build was utterly destroyed but totem freezing pulse builds barely got put in their place.
Since then i don't fking care about meta bitches crying about their lovely insta screenwhipe onebutton autobomber afk boskiller 3000 nerfed. I get having fun with a nasty build but bitching about losing 50% of your damage while the remaining 50% still clears faster than most of what the community is playing with you have no right to whine and beg for free respec every single milisecond when you feel you are wronged.
I understand GGG had to nerf the skill but because i'm a minority my voice in the forum about self casting freezing pulse was fking unheard of. It was drowned by the totem builders who were sad the had to watch the boss live 1 second longer while they sipped their hot coffee in the corner as the totems obliterated the permafrozen unable to move bosses and they couldnt handle the stress of 1 more second.
You can clearly see the same shit in the forums about the cast on crit / cast on freeze right now. Seen streamer play it since the nerf ... it still autoclears everything... takes 1-2 seconds longer but the forums are full of whiny kids.
This community is an egotistic cesspool. League of Legends players are atleast openly toxic ... Path of Exile community pretends to be perfect and whine harder than a pig on the slauther row. Equally bad. :)
ur first time playing poe but you somehow made the most broken build and after one update its unusable? just find a new game brodie unless ur straight up lying to make us feel bad for your build lmao
quinn is better at pausing then the game itself. think he has rebound space bar from dodge to pause
YEAH the 'esc' speed was over 100%
I mean why not rebind it?
Escape key will actually save your character.
He has definitely rebound it? That is not rocket science..
It's not about the nerf... the nerf was inevitable.
It's about getting your build and your character bricked.
A single node respec costs ~4k gold... 50 points = 200k gold
No casual player has 200k gold on hand while also rolling gear buying from vendors and gambling for gear...
@@orlandomando8486 gold costs are tied to your character lvl. So if you're in endgame a respec will cost anywhere from 600k to 1m+
most of the stats are not tied to single spell interaction so why would you use all your gold to respec lol
That's funny because no casual is level 50 either.
Soooo you spec your character based on these broken builds and you are surprised when you know full well that these nodes will be nerfed soon?
Sounds to me like a bunch of people w skill issues. They build based on meta instead of fun then wonder why broken meta gets patched@banyanyas839
ziz gobbling ggg what a surprise
Him and ziggy are the biggest shills ever.
Hah, jokes on them. My build already sucked
Golden! xD
5:59 the "Karen Shout build"
xDDD
Ah you beat me to it
They should make respecing free or heavily discounted during early release if they are going to nerf and change things this quickly.
Respecs should be a low cost regardless. Respeccing alone requires so much time and you shouldn't be punished so heavily for testing things out in a new game. Act maps being so freaking huge (and somewhat random locations of the points of interests) also makes making a new character an insane slog unless you're a hardcore player that opted for it. I opted for a more defensive build in the beginning, had to reroll when I found out that there were so many hard dps check mechanics in the game
@@Roflmao6173 Respecing is also a mechanic that needs testing like everything else in the game, making it free makes that impossible. It's also not intended to remake entire builds, only couple of nodes, so the price being that high is really not that surprising. Giving an option to reset your skill tree after each patch would make more sense. It also does follow layouts like it did in Poe1. I spent a little over 40 hours clearing the campaign on my first character, but im nearly done on my second in less than 10.
whoever is making the memes at the end of the video is a GOAT fr
ziz defends GGG like how rhykker defends blizzard, stop watching both before you're subjected to toxic positivity
Toxic positivity is a beautiful term for this. Exactly what it is.
Yes, obviously this is early access. Obviously shit gets nerfed. But they didn't provide buffs for other weak builds. They didn't give people playing those builds and testing them for them (remember, you are basically doing their QA job) a respecc. Them nerfing wvery single "cast on...blah" thing means, that even non-OP builds gor nerfed into the ground.....this company deserves kudos, obviously. But those streamer fetishists don't need to beat their meat over GGG's every decision. Wake me up when 1.0 comes out. Bloody hell.
He literally made a video critizing the decision of making such a hard nerf without allowing for easy respec and explaining how people are logically upset. He is often critical of GGG decisions, I don't think he "defends" them for the sake of it, but rather just has his own opinions.
Ziz is by far the most "smiles in your face"-type of toxic I've ever seen. I went to watch his stream once and he was so irritable and flippant - he even told me to go fuck myself when I asked him how he feels. Never again.
@@Mayhamsdead and people like this are hailed like royalty in this day and age, all he does is play video games and be salty about it, he literally thinks the community is beneath him but people are too stupid to understand it, same with lily and steelmage, the most genuine ones include Ghazzy, raze qt, and raxx
He's not defending GGG. He's telling us that it was obvious it was a bugged interaction. Jungroan is basically stress testing the game to find the bugged interactions and dipshits are copying his builds. 😂
1:10 "They nerfed my build" and kills the boss in like 4s haha
I just like how they are happy when they one shot bosses but when the bosses one shot them they cry.
I don't see a forum for the bosses to cry about getting one shot...
The game was made for the players, not the ai. I'd get it if they nerved it slightly to see the impact- but they fucking bricked lots of builds
Are you braindead? Why do we care about bosses crying? Did the bosses buy the early access key, skins, and stash tabs?
Hey I'll call ice and have you deported
@@jordanlopez4131 They didn't brick shit. At 1:06 that guy delete the boss instantly with a single trigger if that skill. Yall are just malding over the fact you can't kill them even faster then that.😂
I think actively forcing your most dedicated and passionate fans out of broken builds is good for multiple reasons, if you just think about it.
Nerfs not the problem, respec is.
So true :)
7:03 was that a monk class?
I am so confused XD
Yeah, and it looks like PoE2 IS a diablolike with all those dashes xD
Flicker strike one of monks last tier of skills
asmongold saying they improved the passive tree when its just flat out worse LOL
Way better then Diablo’s trash
TBH he is an awful gamer so don't trust anything he says
The issue is not about Trigger Comet being nerfed is wrong, I think it deserved a nerf. I personally would have been fine with a 50% nerf, but it's a 95% nerf. It's 20 times as bad now. That's the issue. The devs created a mechanic called Trigger gems and they are worthless now. Why create something fun and make it so it's worthless and no one will use it? That doesn't make sense as game design at all. What is sad is that the fix would be so simple they just need to adjust the calculation. Keep energy generation tied to monster power like they did and add a small flat amount to it. I don't have the right numbers but let's say for example, 5 energy per freeze. So now if the small mobs give you 1 energy (power) + 5 energy and the bosses give you 50 energy (power) + 5, then it scales much better and works both against small mobs and bosses. Only scaling it on power is the issue.
I think they will buff trigger gens back up soon, and just nerf specific interactions. I wish they were just a bit more patient.
What you are saying is fully contradicting yourself. The cast on crit /freeze etc skills got nerfed because they overperformed everything else. These skills should trigger spells SOMETIMES. That is the goal of the skill to trigger spells SOMETIMES when a condition is met not nonstop. The goal was never permafreezing and isnta bombing the whole screen to death. A skill autocasting sometimes is still fun. You having to do something between monster packs should be the norm. And not sure what you saw / what you play but the stuff i seen in streams the trigger skills still insta delete bosses even after the nerf. Same with gas+fire screenbomb and the supercharged slam thing.
The trigger skills are not worthless they are doing their job perfectly and triggering skills SOMETIMES. Your argument is invalid. Imagine you actually have to play the game .... the audacity that it doesn't play itself for you. Oh wait it does ... but a bit slower ... huh .. so sad.
@@ImmaterialDream thank you for common sense. the "cast on" builds were literally brain dead gameplay
@@ImmaterialDream Do you know the difference between the pre and post nerf on the 'Cast on X' skills? Or are you just assuming it was a "slight nerf" where now comet still triggers every so often? Because it doesn't take long to find a video to show the difference. Also it wasn't overperforming, there are many builds out there that are much more stronger and 'screen clearing' than any of the CoX builds - see ranger builds.
@@hugomak244 Uhhh yes i saw how it was and my opinion is the same. Btw the post nerf is literally the first video in this compilation. Its still op its autocasting so much for you basically for free. Just because you get much less NOHAND casting than before its now working as INTENDED ORIGINALLY. The skill was never designed to do content for you by itself BUT IT DID. Also you are uber naive if you think after supercharge slam, gas+explosion, rain of arrow and cast on skills got nerferd ranger builds wont . You think GGG is miracle makers ?? they cant do everything at once but it will happen pretty soon. So my opinion still stands.
I have played poe1 since breach in 2017 i seen all the crazy builds and how they got nerfed and its all the same. you morons cant understand that these builds are killing build diversity wsich is the SOUL of POE. Poe and nuts ideas were made exactly because there was COMPETITION between skills to be the BEST. If skills like these are left alone so early in the games life all youll see are the same autobomber builds with a different cast on bullshit method and eventually everyone will be bored cus the game fking plays itself for you.
Btw the " wasnt overperforming " part. My dude :) its a ranged AUTOCASTING build that FROZE/shock everything after you casted a few skills originally then it made an endless loop of itself. You could basically WALK and just exist and loot or maybe dodge once in a blue moon to not die. Meanwhile average casual builds were fighting for their life in melee dodging and slowly clearing packs. If this is not overperforming then you have no idea what that actually means.
GGG nerfed the skill so its not andendless loop. Wow world is ending you have to ... oh god its hard to say ... you ... you have to .. oh my PLAY THE GAME SLOW like the rest of us plebs .... THE HORROR .
Minions despawning when out of range is totally backwards thinking. They should snap to you for sure! 😂😂😂
Thank you for labeling the chapters to make it easier to skip Rue clips
I knew Steel was gonna find something thats a meme but works
Cast on ignite does t work anymore right?
GGG: " FUN DETECTED"
Immediately Ejected~
The fact that most people crying about broken builds being nerf'd, then dying to bosses cause they don't know the mechanics, says something. If the game is designed to be challenging, and players find a way to break that challenge, it shouldn't be a surprised Pikachu that it gets nerf'd.
@@UlfgeirValbjorn thats it.... so easy.
@@UlfgeirValbjorn Feel free to show these mechanics. All I've seen is counter-intuitive design.
@@5chneemensch138 Counter intuitive to what exactly? Alot of the bosses skills are made with dodging in mind. Unless you just play ranged and run out n circles the whole time while across the map.
I LOVE THE THUMBNAIL
imagine defrauding millions and then blaming the investors
What are you talking about?
That shout build is to damn funny
Your Christmas present from GGG, nerf.
I've died against the Miller, the first real challenge after character creation, after nearly every new alt I've made. I have read zero guides, have zero experience with PoE1, and have never dodge-rolled to safety before this game. The combat style is like a completely different language for me and my game deaths are hilarious and predictable. I haven't had this much fun climbing a hill in years!
What is that monk build at the end?
After playing a sorc with a random mitchen sink comet build with mana problems and constantly getting 1 shot, it's great to see that they're nerfing it to the ground, while monks are 2-shotting bosses . . .
Dude the monks also got nerfed, they relied on cast on trigger also
Man I never want to make video game, people are a bunch of babies
11:49 well, that was acurate
Just started playing PoE for the first time, is this usual that they completely gut the fun/good builds? or is this just a PoE2 thing? i heard people said they wouldnt do this or atleast let you respec for free
I also heard people mention that they wouldn't nerf anything or the respecs would be free, but I've never seen an actual source for that. and the only things they nerfed were incredibly broken builds which was obvious. it's basically a beta and all of us are the beta testers. everyone should've known that broken shit would get fixed pretty fast.
p.s. if you're talking about the frost mage nerf there's still viable frost mage builds just not as broken as the comet cast on freeze build.
what item is casting the lightning strikes on mathil's build?
Herald of thunder
What is that shout build? xD
5:44 need a pob 🤯🤯
*sigh* They didn't just nerf the insane builds, they nerfed EVERYTHING below it too.
They changed how cast on ignite works too, and somehow no matter how many fire spells I cast I didnt get even 1% progress toward trigger so I changed the trigger mechanic to cast on minion death... now my trigger goes off like quarter of the time as often but its more than never xD
Maaaan GGG are going to have their work cut out for them to try and balance everything around this game. I dont envy them. (but I do believe its going to end in good spot)
Quin need some cast on pause gems imo, sad that they nerfed gems like that
What was tytykiller sad about? What were the nerfs, I could not see anthing in patchnotes??
6:43 every time i see this guy i think "wow he is only good at pressing ESC instead of spacebar"
Not giving everyone a free respec is gnarly.
Do you know if we can find the chronomage build that plays with Empy ?
I'm pretty sure he talked about it on one of his last few videos, its just a support for the rest of the team, idk exactly the build but I think he said it was using the time freeze node and the ability reset node.
It's definitely not for single play if that is what you are looking for.
@@alunatic_cultist2437 it was to play with my friends so I wanted the whole build
As others have said, we're playing early access, this is the time to expect sweeping nerfs, the nerfs hurt, but ruining people's builds and then making them spend all of their gold respecting is not ok.
Also if we could respect way more then we have way more time to try other builds, find bugs and balance issues, the Devs should want us respecting and trying things out!
hahaha the title is so fukin true and accurate
2:40 Bugged hitbox?
"my build" anyone with basic knowledge of the game knew that was a good.
I am literally curious what's in the devs heads, thinking that nerfing a skill to be 14 TIMES weaker is a good idea, they either hatewatch streamers or not much intelligent person is making important decisions
I’m confused they are still killing the bosses in a few seconds is that the issue?
@@kingregicide810 I think for some poe1 players their goal is to not actual play the game once in a map. Their game is theory crafting and builds that let them afk farm.
I really don't feel bad that some of the folks who tell the new players asking for advice nothing more than to "get gud" got their uber build nerfed.
the problem is it screws EVERY build that gets even a remote bonus from the exploit
Get gud bud
that's why I'll play it on release. I wanna avoid all the drama
What drama lolll just play the game and dont watch these farming creators and their rocodile tears ...
Me too. Better not experiencing all the broken builds that will be gone after EA xD
They deleted freeze characters and as a cold sorceress you don't even have useful damage skills to begin with. But let warrior, ranger and mercenaries keep their full screen/1tab combos.
Straight up brain dead decision.
Let people have fun! But no, fun is not allowed for all.
kinda at a loss what to do now.
couldn't make spark stormweaver work in act 3, switched to COF to clear campaign and got to maps a day ago.
woke up today with the build destroyed, and having to work a day on top.
back home now, i don't think i can make sorc work with 20ex in the bank.
Remember when you could use flask to unfreeze in previuos game?
That clip is the main reason I use the "cannot be frozen" relic or whatever it is.
Dude i want that monk build in the last clip... lol
It's nerfed to the ground since they "FiXeD" the herald buffs
GGG turning into D4 devs and ruining every single "fun" build
@@143shanks not even d4 devs have killed a build this hard in all honesty
@@143shanks at least this game has more than 4 builds unlike d4 lol
@@143shanks except this is free, while people paid 70 bucks for D4 just to get their shit pushed by Blizzard on release with the most retarded noob level development bugs like broken elemental resistances that made the stat useless and didn't get fixed after SEVERAL MONTHS, item dupe exploits, infinite chests, hotfixes, nerfs, you name it.
@@thatepicwizardguy don't worry with time it will be the same as d4
Man invoker looks sick
Its the best so far
Watch ggg nerfing him a day later
so...... GGG absolutely crushed this whole build
These broken builds turned POE2 into Poe 1
The Steelmage Karen build looks fun
Where i find thus build
Kinda glad i didnt spec straight into any elemental keystones, been kinda building my tree to branch into what i might find useful later
That Last Part was like fkin Vampire Survivors Nightmare. GGG is Cooked. The Idiots are nerfing freezing again. What they want, to everyone to just use Lightning which is Braindead. We thought they were trying to get away from PoE One Shot Mode and i see a lot of deleting tryharding going on here.
Switched to fireball and now I can’t evade shit because my screen is covered in particle effects. Suppppper fun….. now I get to respec again… to what only lightning ? I’m going to try melee since I’ll be able to actually dodge projectiles that one shot my mage.
I wouldnt be mad so much about the nerfs if it came with a “heres a free entire tree respec” im not a meta player i have followed no guides ive spent time gold and mats testing things finding what was good and using it completely oblivious to others builds, for me to get bricked where i cant progress or do on level content easily, have to back track and try to make gold to then spend 4k a node to respec of which i have to save a bunch for to not totally brick myself is extremely disheartening as someone who isnt able to play all day i work 7 days a week, was a huge poe1 enjoyer with just under 2k hours i get its EA, but that only seems to further my point…. its EA give us the respecs wheres the harm in that so we can find another build without having to sink another 2 day game time into a new char to get another build… that might also end up getting drug through the mud
already have filters for poe2? can someone send me link pls
Cyr screaming "GO OUTSIDE" he should not do that, as an OTK member, when they go outside they almost end in jail.
They nerfing this like its an esport conpetitive game… like chill its a single player game why does it even matter if one build is stronger than another
D4 did the dame thing that made everyone quit every 2 weeks, 30 pages of nerfs to every skill in the game
This dosent feel like just a nerf, I think someone was doing something that was fking with the servers
@@celphalonred1999 When was this ? preseason? D4 has left all the broken builds in the game alone unless they were bugfixes. And they even left bugs in the game.
Even sp games need balance. You don't understand gaming if you don't get that basic principle.
its not a singleplayer game? It has an entire economy that is very important for the longivity of the game?
Wait....Didn't GGG say in the beginning that attacks and damaging effects were gonna be better telegraphed than in Poe1? Seems like every other clip is a one shot out of nowhere and someone saying "WTF" 🤣
Not out of nowhere, they're just blind. You can clearly see what killed them in every case.
90% of cases people die to chaos dmg that is hard to see lol :D
Real Chads play Warrior (until Druid comes out that is).
i cant wait for season 7 D4
Being upset about the bug fix is one thing. Now going full rage mode on the internet is insanity.
actually a really good point raxx made
Said no one EVER LOL
I think for the next round of patches they should limit slams to 90% of your life, then to balance it whenever you get hit by one create a healing debuff on your character for a few seconds. I mean technically you can dodge and position vs all of them but every once in awhile you just don't see the effect. Random one shot mechanics are never fun. And while technically not random it can certainly feel that way.
Also they need to set a limit on CC locking bosses. That's not healthy at all.
GGG=Blizz, no surprise sadly
oh i must have missed the paid battle pass and the huge build variety of 4 entire builds across the board
Man im so happy i didn't just search up a meta build... i found my own way and have spent 70k gold on re specs so far just fixing mistakes ive made. Now my sorc is fun to play with almost no nerf potential
Not being able to swap Ascendencies was a wild decision. If that’s what they want their game to be 🤷♂️
I think a lot of people shy away from path of exile because of the epileptic strobe end game. Not seeing where you're going just dashing around the map filling it with particles. It's just not fun or engaging to a lot of people. I love seeing that out the gate they're trying to avoid that situation. Hopefully they do something that has a bit more balanced. My guess is most likely the triggered skill will have reduced damage or a built-in cooldown that's appropriate.
They should however get everyone a non stacking respec at a special NPC every time they make these giant changes. Just to make it feel nice.
I agree. I want difficult content that isnt boiled down to "My afk build owns entire dungeons" and then when i die i say, "WTF!". Maybe a bit more nuance and gameplay decision over afk builds.
I would definitely play POE a lot more if there was some sort of fix to the visual clutter of player skills. If there was an option for player skill opacity, I'd make it completely invisible by the time I start maps.
@@Zuuby true. I use fire wall and dont see shit...
What? The Boss raises a hand to prepare for an attack? Dunno... cant see shit...
@@Cheekie-8p5e I'm sorry, but PoE is never going to be that. No matter how much GGG will try to nuke those types of builds, people will try to make it happen. When it will stop happening, people will quit, because the rest of the game is designed around clearing entire screens, that's the only way to be safe in this game. That's how PoE1 was, and it appears that they have not learned their lesson: they keep monster damage very high, visual clarity is shit, random one shots still happen, etc. That's not the fault of the players, that's GGG's fault, this is the game they made.
In PoE1 they told us that that the monster damage is so high because players are too fast. Now that players are slow, monster damage is still even higher than it was in PoE1, so what's the point?
@@radumotrescu3832 "but you've got a dodge roll"
Totally valid nerf on meta skills, i understand the frustraition tho
I'm glad that before I'll reach endgame game will be fully released 🤣🤣
Good video keep it up ❤
Thanks, will do!
They need to allow free respecs during pre 1.0. Aka pre launch. Simple. Nerfs or buffs are fine. But not making transitions possible is silly. I would make a new char and not bother.
Monsters are faster than players 😂
Ziz wife is the MVP
Hmm i kinda liked the power fantasy of getting overpowered with some investment thats the fun of it, this nerf might have been a bit 2 much maybe do half of the energy nerf so it just casually procs but not like perma proccing, as of now it nearlx never procs.
Oh they got me Morty! They bricked my build Morty! They bricked it! I'll never financially recover from this! I spent all my orbs and gold rolling these items and they're worthless now! I can't afford to respec Morty!
great Clips
I think the biggest hate right now is time theft.
I'm posting this in as many places as I can:
Items vendor for gold and items are tradable; ergo, gold IS tradeable.
GGG please stop it with the difficulty. Just give us the fun winnable game that we want to play and spend money to support.
Give us a game that rewards the grind and allows for progression.
GGG, maybe you should nerf this 5:27 instead of cast on freeze ?
Just don’t nerf my bell
I feel like there were better ways to nerf Cast on Freeze. Maybe make it so a single skill can't proc it more than once or something?
7:03 wtf was that
i see hardcore and the first thing is pressing ESC, lula go Softcore. 1:51
Am glad i waited ppl to play so i can see which build is good and then to play, instead testing the game for devs and waste my time 😏
"Nerfed" basically 2 tapped a boss...
i love ruetoo
Easy solution: don't play the game until the full release.
If GGG likes more this way then let them test for theirselves since we payed to test their game and we got sand f*ucked with the nerfs. Not even a respec token, just "play other build guys" bricking you for 10 hrs just to get enough gold to actually try other builds
5:00 exactly those people are not ment to play this game . please GGG do your own thing and never listen to such casual player
13:45 cant dissagree more. there is probably always an excuse around for some people. some people really complaining after playing 40 hours exessive about 23 euro... please come back to earth again
13:54 some people riding the wave like everybody should.
4:55 I love when streamers say "go outside" or "touch grass", when it's literally their job to be a no lifer staring at a monitor all day. Maybe YOU should go outside.
thats why im not showing my build, my build feels like im using lightning strike with whirling blade like in poe 1
The sorc absolutely sucks. Cast on freeze, which the game feels like it wants you to play, was the only thing that felt good. I didn't even follow a guide just made my own mediocre build I didn't even know Jung had it like that lol. Now the character I have 40 hours on is bricked because I spent all my gold yesterday buying vendor gear to roll because I needed to upgrade. I tried clearing the area i was in for gold. It took 30 minutes with my nerfed build and i got 2k gold. Its gonna cost me 180k gold to respec. Wtf. And forget rerolling, the campaign isnt that enjoyable and how do i know the next build i make isn't gonna get shit canned
Pooor babyyyyyy
@francoisturgeon1176 this attitude will kill this game keep it up
@@No_Audio no it wont, just reroll, treat it like a roguelike, you can do the first 2 acts in a couple of hours.
@No_Audio good idea. lets kill this game. basically its the same way why d4 died. nerf bat that nerf all the fun out
@@fixo5132 "just reroll" might be a good idea to look around and see what people are saying... you know, like they CANT reroll because its to absurdly expensive?