First to the Fight: The Marines' Reising M50 SMG

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    Eugene Reising developed a .45 ACP submachine gun in the late 1930s that was basically the opposite of the Thompson - it was light and handy, fired from a closed bolt with a delayed blowback action, and was inexpensive to produce. Reising contracted with Harrington & Richardson to produce the gun, and when it entered the market in early 1940 it found immediate interest form the USMC. Looking initially to equip the Marine Paratroop Regiment (Paramarines), the Corps wanted a gun that was light and compact. The Reising M55 with it folding stock was certainly those things and since the Thompson was essentially unavailable anyway (all production was going to the Army and foreign contracts), the Corp adopted the Reising with initial purchases of both the M50 and M55 in January and February of 1942.
    What we are looking at today is an early production M50. It is blued with 29 barrel fins and the early style of sights, stock screw, trigger guard, magazine release, stock (the lacquer coating and sling swivels having been added by a previous owner), and firing pin. Later production guns would be improved and strengthened in various ways, but the Reising would never quite meet the needs of frontline combat troops, much to the displeasure of the Marines who first used them in the Pacific theater. Lacking interchangeable parts and susceptible to fouling and malfunctions, the Reisings were quickly replaced by other arms - some Johnson M1941 rifles, some M1 and M1A1 carbines, and various other guns. Rotated back to duties like ship boarding parties, guards, and military police, the Reising served very well. They were indeed handy and accurate guns, just not built for the extreme rigors of Pacific beach assaults and jungle foxholes.
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Комментарии • 631

  • @a.r.m.4you182
    @a.r.m.4you182 Год назад +1320

    I was shocked to see this SMG in the series "The Pacific" over the Thompson. Someone was paying attention to detail though. Neat, simple rifles.

    • @chuckmangione4747
      @chuckmangione4747 Год назад +60

      Was the Reising in that show? I don’t remember seeing it but definitely remember seeing the Thompson.

    • @corey3606
      @corey3606 Год назад +86

      ​@@chuckmangione4747 They start to use Thompsons a couple episodes in, after the army lands.

    • @mr.seaotter-1429
      @mr.seaotter-1429 Год назад +50

      @@chuckmangione4747 During Guadalcanal Campaign, If I'm remember correctly. Duo with Early Pattern Thompsons.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Год назад +522

      The Pacific did a really good job with technical details.

    • @bannedbycommieyoutube5time920
      @bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 Год назад +100

      Also with stealing the Army’s supplies, using M1903’s and talking about WWI rations. Did a good job showing the Army was better equipped overall.

  • @jeremyspangenberg957
    @jeremyspangenberg957 Год назад +91

    I was in a gun shop in Arizona years ago and got talking about WWII military arms (they had a lot of M1 carbines on display) and ended up talking about SMGs and the owner says check this out and goes in the back and brings out a m60 varient and hands it to me to look at. I've thought about that gun for years and could never remember what it was called but I could remember the unique charging "handle", thank you so much for this video the name if this gun has been bugging me for literally years

  • @nickg4422
    @nickg4422 Год назад +67

    My grandpa was in the 2nd Para-marine battalion. They weren’t at Guadalcanal, but deployed to Bougainville. He carried a Garand there, and also at Iwo Jima after the unit was dissolved and he was reassigned to the 5th.

    • @BullittGT40
      @BullittGT40 Год назад +3

      Funny, my Grampy served with the 5th at Iwo Jima. I can't imagine the shit they saw, bad enough he never talked about it to his kids or us grandchildren.

    • @nickg4422
      @nickg4422 Год назад +6

      My grandpa didn’t have a problem talking about Iwo Jima…sort of. Their officer and NCO’s all got hit in the first two days…he wouldn’t really talk about that part. A few days later, he was leading a section on patrol as a 17 year old pfc. They got cut off by a machine gun nest, so he charged it to draw their fire while the rest of the guys escaped. They got out clean; he got out with half a 7.7 round that ricocheted stuck in his skull. It was still there even when I was a kid. That’s about the only story he’d be willing to share from Iwo Jima…and that’s just because we all knew about it already from the newspaper stories and the medal citations.

  • @stevenparsons4464
    @stevenparsons4464 Год назад +43

    In the day I interviewed Para Marines and Marine Raider veterans. They liked the Reising for its utility. They also talked about group cleaning policy and parts interchangeability issues you brought up.

    • @jeremybriggs1707
      @jeremybriggs1707 Год назад +3

      Every Marine ive spoken to that was issued a Riesing said they were absolutely shit, they would rather heft the extra weight of the Thompson because it also ment a good weapon

  • @George-vf7ss
    @George-vf7ss Год назад +53

    My dad was in the 2nd Marines in WW2. Guadalcanal, Tarawa and Siapan. He carried this rifle. I asked him what he thought about it. He said, "Good enough," And if I wanted something else, once things got hot, there were plenty of other guns just laying around, next to the dead guys."

  • @m2hmghb
    @m2hmghb Год назад +45

    My dad was issued one of those when he started working for corrections in the late 70s. The M50 was their "wall" gun

  • @Killjoy2071
    @Killjoy2071 Год назад +40

    My department (Mass State Police) used the M60 semi auto carbine for many years, until the 1970s. They also used the Thompson and the M1 carbine.

    • @jeffkaczmarek3577
      @jeffkaczmarek3577 Год назад

      Being a blue costume wearing gun grabber who has suckled at the teats of the taxpayers since his first day at the academy is not something you should be proud of.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 Год назад +5

      I know the VA State Police had at least one actual M50 at some point. I know because I got a call from the ATF wanting to know why a dealer in NV was trying to do a transfer for one to a customer when their records showed it as ours. Fortunately we were able to figure it out and ATF approved the transfer. It seems when the ATF rules came down, someone at the state police registered it with the ATF not realizing that it had already been sold and whoever bought it, also registered it during the amnesty so it got double registered and no one caught it until then.

  • @nekobyoneko444
    @nekobyoneko444 Год назад +19

    Gotta say I love gun history and how surprisingly small the gun world is. I have a H&R 999 and seeing the Reising magazine learning they manufactured Reising SMGs, FALs and M14s it's neat to say the least.

  • @gooondie
    @gooondie Год назад +8

    This is crazy. I was just watching The Pacific last night and caught sight of an M50. I immediately searched for a video on it, and couldn’t find anything good. God bless this channel.

  • @GeorgiaNFA
    @GeorgiaNFA 8 месяцев назад

    I am lucky enough to own a Reising M50 and it is one of the most fun guns to shoot. I have one 20 round magazine and five of the 12 rounders. The only malfunctions I have ever had is out of two of the 12 round mags having worn springs. People forget that most weapons at the time had a mag capacity of 5 or 10 rounds. In semi, 12 rounds out of this being used like a semi-auto carbine would have probably seemed like decent capacity. The M1 Carbine only carried 15 rounds and would probably have been seen as filling a similar niche'

  • @kenibnanak5554
    @kenibnanak5554 Год назад +3

    In 1979 some of the GSA/FPS units pulled in to serve at the Ft. Indiantown Gap refugee center arrived with Reisings and Thompsons because they had been told to bring them (for unknown reason). After a week or two the guns were sent back to the different regions they came from and were probably destroyed in the 80s when FPS began torching weapons it felt weren't needed anymore.

  • @untermench3502
    @untermench3502 Год назад +1

    The Reising M 50 was also issued to OSS in Europe. My father, who was 82nd Airborne assigned to the OSS said the Reising was a piece of crap.

  • @akaJughead
    @akaJughead Год назад +32

    When I was on the JROTC rifle team in the late 90s, we had many different brands of 22 single shot rifles in our armory. They were all pretty old, and starting to become unreliable. The Harrington and Richardson models however always worked the best, and rarely ever had a malfunction.

    • @Crustyguns
      @Crustyguns Год назад

      How does a single shot 22 malfunction?

    • @JJ-eg4zm
      @JJ-eg4zm Год назад

      ​​@@CrustygunsLight strikes, cases not ejecting and getting stuck, basically any malfunction that isn't a failure to feed can still happen to a single shot.

  • @brianhall4182
    @brianhall4182 Год назад +9

    There must be some sort of alternate reality where the Reising and Johnson became the US's ubiquitous WW2 guns instead of the Garand and Thompson.

  • @Getpojke
    @Getpojke Год назад +15

    Nice looking gun; shame they didn't get a chance to iron out the creases before throwing it in at the deep end. Really looking forward to tomorrow to see how it handles.

  • @Jo.A.
    @Jo.A. Год назад +2

    crazy, I literally just learned about this weapon yesterday and today it shows up here

  • @Alphagaming55-s2x
    @Alphagaming55-s2x Год назад +9

    Love this Gun in the Pacific campaign for enlisted.

    • @laski-salonen2573
      @laski-salonen2573 Год назад +3

      Im usually on the reseaving end of it, so I dont like it as much

    • @Alphagaming55-s2x
      @Alphagaming55-s2x Год назад +1

      @@laski-salonen2573 Japanese SMGs are really good less recoil to.

  • @Alwayscommentseveryday
    @Alwayscommentseveryday Месяц назад +1

    When The M1 Carbine And M1928A1 Love Each other so much:

  • @davidmcleod6032
    @davidmcleod6032 Год назад +8

    I knew a retired Alabama State Trooper who had some tales to tell about a Reising he was issued in the fifties back when one trooper might work alone covering three or four counties.
    He said it was a great attention getter when called for the Friday night fights at the local tonks.
    Tonks=the basis for honky tonks minus the honkys

  • @OccamsToyota2
    @OccamsToyota2 20 дней назад

    One thing to bear in mind, 1903s weren't terribly outgunned by Arisakas, just as Mosins weren't really outgunned by Mausers, etc.

  • @spasticjackson9578
    @spasticjackson9578 Год назад +2

    That thing is awesome !

  • @billfarnham1592
    @billfarnham1592 Год назад

    After the wr, H&R took a lot of their barrels for the Reising gun and made .22cal bolt action single shots out of them. We had one in our hardware store that I got. Had a Williams peep sight on it. Boring the barrel made for .45 out to only .22 made it quite a nail driver. It was only single shot bolt action, but it sure shot well!

  • @RichardGoth
    @RichardGoth Год назад

    Great video, you really got into the detail about the rust and interchangeability issues.

  • @ypaulbrown
    @ypaulbrown Год назад

    Ian, very in-depth as usual...lots of great information, cheers from Florida, Paul

  • @ripvanwinkle2002
    @ripvanwinkle2002 Год назад +10

    i know its flawed and the tommy gun is the star but ive always wanted a Reising
    they "used to be" the "affordable" NFA weapon in the 1980s and i lusted after them but never could get enough money together when one was for sale..
    now i cant even glance at the price of one without getting sick in my mouth.

    • @majorpwner241
      @majorpwner241 Год назад

      The NFA needs to fall so all machineguns go down to their actual value (scarcely more than semi autos). Your story is just further proof that the NFA is designed to keep autos only in the hands of the wealthy.

    • @vitis65
      @vitis65 Год назад

      Yep. Current prices are around $9.5-10.5k. A few years ago they were $6-6.5k.

    • @ripvanwinkle2002
      @ripvanwinkle2002 Год назад

      @@vitis65 when i was eyeing them i think they were in the 1k range though my memory isnt what it was in the 80s

  • @jimdavenport8020
    @jimdavenport8020 Год назад

    Want a Reising? Check the bottom of the Tenarue River on Guadalcanal. Tons of them thrown in there.

  • @ironwolfF1
    @ironwolfF1 Год назад +2

    As a weapon, it was good starting point; all it needed was several of cycles of 'tuning' it to iron out the worst issues (IMO). Unfortunately, in wartime, that's not always an option...
    And yeah, it _looks_ like an 'early / pre-WWII' SMG (wood furniture edition), and definitely lighter than it's Euro / Slav cousins.

  • @calvingreene90
    @calvingreene90 Год назад

    The next time you fall asleep on guard duty we will communally clean our Reisings and you will get them all running again.

  • @KinkniK
    @KinkniK Год назад +8

    I'd love to see you run a match with a model 60 or 50

  • @mnpd3
    @mnpd3 Год назад

    Things may be different today, but in my day the Marines always got the hind teat when it came to weapons and equipment. I came to believe the Corps' brass wanted it that way... the leadership somehow confused necessities with comforts and being comfortable was a sign of weakness.

  • @crosseightyeight
    @crosseightyeight Год назад +2

    Link to his M55 video: ruclips.net/video/JVH9aEF2EX0/видео.html

  • @martinschofield4895
    @martinschofield4895 Год назад

    Harrington and Richardson ... the company that messed up the M-14

  • @imadequate3376
    @imadequate3376 Год назад +4

    Hopefully we can see some range time with this. I'd love to hear your opinion of the compensator. Probably nit picky and of very little concern but that compensator design seems like it would allow easier ingres of dirt and such.

    • @vitis65
      @vitis65 Год назад

      Those ribs on the compensator break REAL easy when you shoot them. May even happen to Ian tomorrow!

  • @onkelmicke9670
    @onkelmicke9670 Год назад +1

    Seems like a really nice gun

  • @fpoutdoors450
    @fpoutdoors450 Год назад

    Hope you make a video on the Marlin Camp Carbine some day. This one loooked pretty similar at first glance!

  • @kevlar6116
    @kevlar6116 Год назад

    If you only had some on-the-ground footage from Guadalcanal to convey what the Marines and soldiers’ experienced using the Reising, 1903, Garand, etc.

  • @Shocojones1212
    @Shocojones1212 Год назад +3

    Ian for president

  • @xXSPADEGG
    @xXSPADEGG Год назад

    Weird that I saw this SMG on a Canadian gun channel before it showed up on here.

  • @daviddavid5880
    @daviddavid5880 Год назад +2

    Hey, Ian. Just wanted say how much I appreciate these vids. (Concise, engaging, informative, entertaining, with no cutesy distractions, droning sidebars or shrieking political garbage) Truly a gem of a channel. Thank you very much.

  • @tonydaniels3093
    @tonydaniels3093 Год назад

    a close freind of mine who is deceased now was a class 3 dealer for years, he bid on 23 reising m50 and won from the illinois state police in the late 60's. he paid $700 for all 23!

  • @larryjacobsen4079
    @larryjacobsen4079 Год назад +1

    The Thompson was not a delay blowback, but was the "bish lock" on the early models intended to be a delay (a really short delay)?

    • @kylebrown2927
      @kylebrown2927 Год назад +2

      I think it was intended as a delay, and they discovered later that the "blish principle" wasn't really a thing

  • @mugsy9028
    @mugsy9028 Год назад

    cool gun, this is in the new game marauders

  • @chrisgabbert658
    @chrisgabbert658 Год назад

    How times have changed .

  •  Год назад

    Very intersting story :)

  • @Joe.D.780
    @Joe.D.780 Месяц назад

    would have been a good good with just a little bit more manufacturing refinement

  • @mikemike9438
    @mikemike9438 Год назад

    I hope everyone got M1’s in a year or two later.

  • @patrickshanley4466
    @patrickshanley4466 7 месяцев назад

    No interchangeable parts??? That’s like the 1700’s😮

  • @me.ne.frego.
    @me.ne.frego. Год назад

    The M50 looks like some bubba put a .22 carbine stock on a first gen SMG.

  • @tomthounaojam345
    @tomthounaojam345 Год назад +1

    Nice!!!

  • @pelonehedd7631
    @pelonehedd7631 Год назад

    It looks a lot like a Mossberg 22 semi auto that would be as good as the Ruger 10-22 if not for magazine feed problems.

  • @chrisbrent7487
    @chrisbrent7487 Год назад

    Bit of a fail for a war gun, especially in the Pacific. It sure isn't an Owen. That was probably the best of the SMG's used in the Pacific. It was good enough for use in Korea and Vietnam too.

  • @amhuman5138
    @amhuman5138 Год назад

    Alternate Universe Thompson

  • @justnormalquinn
    @justnormalquinn Год назад

    cool video 👍

  • @Garrumx
    @Garrumx Год назад +1237

    An SMG with 12 round mags. Someone was an Elbonian procurement officer before joining the marines.

    • @ricardokowalski1579
      @ricardokowalski1579 Год назад +216

      plus non-interchangeable parts... peak elbonian.

    • @markdavis180
      @markdavis180 Год назад +65

      I'm trying to figure out how that would be a good idea, maybe as like a police carbine?

    • @themastermason1
      @themastermason1 Год назад +98

      ​@@markdavis180 Most likely. I wouldn't be surprised if police were thinking in base six because of revolvers.

    • @ricardokowalski1579
      @ricardokowalski1579 Год назад +93

      @@markdavis180 A weapon like this, which is poorly suited for dirty conditions, would be ideal for police in small urban areas under threat by guerrillas.
      If the gun is captured or lost (ejem!), the rough life of insurgency would render them unusable quickly. The lack of interchangeable parts would also be a plus.. only in this sense.
      OTHER THAN THAT as a consideration... it is a very difficult sell.
      My 2 cents.... respectfully.

    • @hondolane3125
      @hondolane3125 Год назад +41

      @@themastermason1 I think you may have revealed the secret. 12 rounds in base six is ..... 20!

  • @AllAboutSurvival
    @AllAboutSurvival Год назад +485

    I heard those things actually work pretty well in cleaner, drier environments, they just flopped in the pacific because of the humidity and dirt inherent to jungle warfare.

    • @chitoryu12
      @chitoryu12 Год назад +51

      They can't really handle any environment worse than civilian policing. They're difficult to disassemble and clean and the open bolt slot right where you have to put your hand is a big danger to your fingers.

    • @Del_S
      @Del_S Год назад +47

      @@chitoryu12 Yeah, a good reminder that most things are built and tested in nice clean labs and workshops by people who theoretically know how it works, and if you skip the next step of testing something will go wrong.

    • @murasame5071
      @murasame5071 Год назад +15

      that as good as not working at all
      guns who dont work in shit conditions are guns that dont work.

    • @Jreb1865
      @Jreb1865 Год назад +15

      12 round mags don't help...

    • @stevejohnson6248
      @stevejohnson6248 Год назад +37

      I heard the same thing, from Ian, in this video.

  • @ArmaliteSpade
    @ArmaliteSpade Год назад +551

    My greatuncle was a Paramarine killed on Gavutu. For whatever reason, there's not a ton of great sources on the Paramarines I've been able to buy, with the only book I have being "Battalion of the Damned" (plus some Marine Corps docs), which I got 'cause my uncle's mentioned in it a few times. Anyway, according to that when the M55 first went into combat the Paramarines didn't really have the Johnson yet, except for some automatic rifles procured privately, and a lot of guys still carried the 1903 because even then they couldn't get enough Reisings (not that those guys minded, the issues with the M55 were known before they landed). And the fireteam was still based around the BAR until after Guadalcanal. The TOE changes to all auto guns came later. Before landing (I think when they were in NZ) some of the Marines figured out a way to modify some spring around the trigger group that greatly reduced the main failure to feed problem and increased reliability greatly, but they didn't have enough springs to fix everything before Guadalcanal. In the book it's mentioned a bunch of Marines armed with M55s acquired M1911s from the Navy on USS Haywood to supplement.

    • @BigWheel.
      @BigWheel. Год назад +14

      Sorry, I'm not familiar with "TOE" Whats that mean exactly?

    • @Wolfshead009
      @Wolfshead009 Год назад +31

      @@BigWheel. Table Of Equipment

    • @NemoBlank
      @NemoBlank Год назад +50

      @@BigWheel. Table of Organization and Equipment. It's the officially ordained description of a formation's arms, equipment and manpower.

    • @karuskaltugov1992
      @karuskaltugov1992 Год назад +3

      I would like to read more about the Reising modification, do you have any links to the sources?

    • @MichaelKingsfordGray
      @MichaelKingsfordGray Год назад +2

      You lie about your name!
      Why should anyone believe you?

  • @BeoZard
    @BeoZard Год назад +215

    There is a magazine article from 1940/41 that went into great deal of detail about the Reising and its production. In the article it was stated the machine tools used to make the gun were 75 years old. That dates them to the end of the Civil War.

    • @johnplaid648
      @johnplaid648 Год назад +6

      @@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq Yay! That's it! Stick it to 'em. Ask for documentation. When I completed my first AR-15 I was shocked on how flimsy it was. Then I thought, "Can you do better?" Then I thought that the AR-15 was never meant to be the Winchester pre '64 of the Eugene Stoner series.

    • @johnplaid648
      @johnplaid648 Год назад +2

      @@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq And, so far, he has not responded so he stuck it to you,

    • @BeoZard
      @BeoZard Год назад +39

      @@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq Popular Science, April 1941, Walter Holbrook

    • @Chopstorm.
      @Chopstorm. Год назад +16

      @@johnplaid648 Yikes.

    • @ThePointblank
      @ThePointblank Год назад +20

      @Fred brandon It also means that the tools could be pretty worn out, and thus production tolerances could be very loose as a result. Hence the need to hand finish and to individually fit parts for a complete gun. Not good in a mass production environment because that hand finishing takes a lot of time and manpower.

  • @Inflorescensse
    @Inflorescensse Год назад +46

    I’ve got an original marine build!
    It almost never has issues if you grind down the rear of the firing pin a few mm to prevent tip breakage and clean it every 300 rnds.
    875rpm with Winchester whitebox. 4-5 inch groups at 100m on semi.

  • @ericmitchell985
    @ericmitchell985 Год назад +86

    I've always liked the Reising - I really think it could've been a nice gun with a bit more R&D, particularly with how it field strips.

    • @vitis65
      @vitis65 Год назад +8

      Sturdier mags with stronger feed lips would have been a huge improvement and not too hard to do.

    • @vitis65
      @vitis65 Год назад +5

      Ever hold a grease gun mag? Built like a tank!

  • @carlinglin7289
    @carlinglin7289 Год назад +66

    The Reising epitaph should be "I coulda been a contender!" It had a lot of good points. It just needed a couple years of rigorous testing and tweaking to make it more reliable, and it didn't have that time.

    • @scottpeters371
      @scottpeters371 Год назад +5

      Same epitaph the Johnson 1941 could have had.

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise Год назад +2

      It might have been able to be better than the Thompson, but that is a pretty low bar.
      The cheap mass-produced guns (such as the M3) would have replaced it still.

    • @sandemike
      @sandemike Год назад

      Shades of the SA80.

  • @MrGrimsmith
    @MrGrimsmith Год назад +328

    The tale of the Reising shows some of the reasons why extended military trials exist - because someone's been bitten by it in the past. It sounds as though with some relatively minor changes it could have been a really good fit for the purpose but it was a solid performer despite that.

    • @jamessimpson4577
      @jamessimpson4577 Год назад +28

      They didn’t have time. It’s that simple. They did well to get them what they had in sufficient quantity.

    • @johndaniels1197
      @johndaniels1197 Год назад +9

      In addition to modifying the design of the gun itself, the entire manufacturing process needed to be overhauled from the ground up to produce tightly toleranced interchangeable parts and proper quality control. In order for the gun to actually be combat-ready in 1941, they would've needed to start this whole process in like 1934, when nobody in America was really seriously concerned about a war yet. Not only did they not have time, if they had started appropriately early finding the funding to actually do everything right would've been almost impossible.

    • @jamessimpson4577
      @jamessimpson4577 Год назад +6

      @@johndaniels1197
      Then there’s the ‘unintended consequences’ aspect of any kind of revamp: ‘well, we fixed that, but now this other thing is screwed as a result’.
      So at the end of the day it seems to me they did the right thing by sticking with what they had.

    • @johndaniels1197
      @johndaniels1197 Год назад +6

      ​@@jamessimpson4577 The right thing would've been to get properly re-armed with modern weapons during the interwar years so that crap like this doesn't happen. Short-sightedness and budget pinching stopped that.

    • @itsconnorstime
      @itsconnorstime Год назад +3

      Even the most rugged and proven designs would struggle in the conditions of the Pacific war.

  • @nucleargrizzly1776
    @nucleargrizzly1776 Год назад +40

    When I was a little kid I remember those being sold in The Shotgun News for $295. All NFA rules applied of course.

    • @Stevarooni
      @Stevarooni Год назад +9

      $485+S&H ain't bad for a slice of history!

    • @ethanwiley7605
      @ethanwiley7605 Год назад +11

      I have a 1955 edition of American Rifleman and they had everything from johnson rifles to gewher 43's for like $50-$80 and even a British contract 1911 in .455 webley for only $30. Theres so many cool guns in there that are so expensive today, like that $30 1911 is only $332 in todays money which youd never see a gun like that go for anymore

    • @nucleargrizzly1776
      @nucleargrizzly1776 Год назад +5

      @@ethanwiley7605 I remember thinkin $295 was crazy because between the tax stamp, sales tax and dealer fees the price was more than doubled.

    • @sharonrigs7999
      @sharonrigs7999 Год назад +3

      @@ethanwiley7605 I inherited a British 1911 many years ago. I foolishly sold it because .455 Webley Auto brass was nearly impossible to find in the pre internet days.

    • @brettbaker5599
      @brettbaker5599 Год назад +1

      In 1994, I bought a Mk. II Sten for $700. J&G had a couple Reisings for $400. Wish I'd bought one of those, too!

  • @marvindebot3264
    @marvindebot3264 Год назад +40

    Sounds like they made over 100k of them so that's not a small amount really, especially for Mr Riseing at $2 a throw; 200 grand was a heck of a lot of dosh in the 1940s. IIRC the coast guard kept these for many years and was quite happy with them. Prisons were the other big user.

    • @Crawdaddly
      @Crawdaddly Год назад +4

      200 grand is almost $3.3 million in todays money when adjusted for inflation, so I’d say he was living nicely

  • @bobjones5674
    @bobjones5674 Год назад +41

    The Reising really is the perfect example of why guns that work great in the civilian context don't always measure up to being pressed into military context. Many people question why new firearms technology can take decades to go from commercially available to military adoption, and the Reising is a great example of what happens when a design that isn't fully matured and hardened for rough use is dragged into combat.

  • @jeffm68
    @jeffm68 Год назад +2

    Speaking as a Marine grunt, I'd like to say that reducing magazine capacity in order to lower ammo consumption sounds EXACTLY like the sort of stupid crap some log weenie REMF who has never heard a round snap over his head would pull. Probably got a promotion for it, too.

  • @Kate.000
    @Kate.000 Год назад +5

    Any Enlisted players here watching the video? LOL

  • @aaronskuse2207
    @aaronskuse2207 Год назад +9

    The best part of waking up isn’t Folgers coffee, it’s Forgotten Weapons with Ian.

  • @gre3nishsinx0Rgold4
    @gre3nishsinx0Rgold4 Год назад +7

    I like the Reising. As much like the M3 grease gun. It's problems could have been easily fixed and improved upon with further development. But alas it never went there. Still neat though

  • @brandonha
    @brandonha Год назад +67

    I have the 22 trainer version of this. Serial number “002” and it’s clearly in the prototype stage
    Its slightly different than the later leatherneck rifles, the stocks dint fit, and the magwells are not interchangeable
    Next time Ian comes up to film in Canada id be happy to make it available.

    • @drrisen-9442
      @drrisen-9442 Год назад +1

      @@Chris_Garman It’s a historical artifact, and it isn’t scary looking.

    • @brandonha
      @brandonha Год назад +1

      @@drrisen-9442 history doesnt matter to the lawmakers here anymore. This generation will be the last to own any handguns barring a change in law by subsequent governments. This includes artifacts from the wars.
      Your grandfather may have taken it off a nazi during the liberation of the Netherlands, or off juno beach. Your kid can’t inherit it. Either it gets welded up or smelted down.
      Its an attack on Americangun culture bogeynen directed at the most law abiding segment of the Canadian population as a theatrical vote grab from uninformed voters.

    • @stefanmolnapor910
      @stefanmolnapor910 Год назад +4

      Email him!

    • @Gameprojordan
      @Gameprojordan Год назад +2

      @@Chris_Garman it's an old .22lr rifle with a proprietary magazine. The Canadian government doesn't go after those, even with the new BS laws they've put in place recently they're still safe

  • @jacknelson8601
    @jacknelson8601 Год назад +12

    Years ago I worked for a police department that had three of these M-50s........but only had two 12 round magazines. Our chief carried one of the guns and one of the magazines in the trunk of his car. That left two guns in the arms room with only a single 12 round magazine between them. Ah.....the good ole days!

  • @kystartilleriet0270
    @kystartilleriet0270 Год назад +14

    For instance the norwegian sea home guard used it until the mid 60s and it was quite popular among them because of its accuracy🙂

  • @about10ninjas
    @about10ninjas Год назад +6

    The gun quickly became despised by front-line Marines, and Lieutenant Colonel Merritt A. Edson, Commander, 1st Marine Raider Battalion, ordered that his troops' Reisings be flung into Guadalcanal's crocodile-infested Lunga River, as his troops resorted to reliable bolt-action Springfield rifles.

  • @joshmeads
    @joshmeads Год назад +5

    It's looks alot better than the folding stock version!

  • @DDTMUKA
    @DDTMUKA Год назад +12

    I have heard that some modest numbers of these M50 had been paradropped (by Polish 1586 Special Operation Squadron or other allis units) as supplies for Polish underground Home Army during WWII.

  • @garrettrizzo9869
    @garrettrizzo9869 Год назад +14

    Your M55 video is what introduced me to your channel. Thanks for the years of great content, Ian!

  • @KnifeChatswithTobias
    @KnifeChatswithTobias Год назад +8

    Reising Gunner: this 12 round magazine sucks!
    M1903 Rifleman: Uh... only 5 rounds here!

    • @Wanaskiwin
      @Wanaskiwin 3 месяца назад

      Atleast its 5 rifle rounds and not 12 pistol rounds. *shrugs*

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias 3 месяца назад

      @@Wanaskiwin, true but most combat takes place in ranges under 100 meters. At that range both rounds are effective. I’m sure the operators of both rifles would’ve preferred one of those Hollywood never runs out of ammunition magazines.

  • @robertgoyette5863
    @robertgoyette5863 Год назад +2

    no interchangeable parts, prone to dirt jamming, complicated take down, weak finish=forgotten weapon

  • @stevenlowe3245
    @stevenlowe3245 Год назад +2

    My dad carried the paratrooper folding stock model stateside and said they were absolute junk. Constant jamming, small magazine. He loved his Johnson Rifle though.

  • @edm240b9
    @edm240b9 Год назад +28

    I think it would’ve been interesting to see how this thing would’ve handled over in Europe. Since there’s more urban environments, I think it would’ve handled better. Also, Reisings are cool guns. They M50 is pretty darn accurate.

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise Год назад +3

      Somewhat better, probably, but likely to still be far from ideal for front line use. There was still plenty of crawling around in dirt and such on any battlefield.
      And by the time the M1 Carbine and the dirt cheap M3 Submachine Gun are available, it almost certainly would have seen the same fate.

    • @Inflorescensse
      @Inflorescensse Год назад

      Yeah! i can get repeatable 4 inch 5 shot groups at 100m on semi. Past 220m they get rather unstable though.

  • @armedmage
    @armedmage Год назад +8

    Been playing a lot of Enlisted recently and I love how it has many of the lesser known guns that saw action in WW2, including the Reising. It's had me revisiting a lot of the Forgotten Weapons videos.

  • @patrickwentz8413
    @patrickwentz8413 Год назад +2

    I read about these in the book "Battle Cry" by Leon Uris used in the Battle of the Guadalcanal by the USMC. To say the least it was not liked.

    • @mcqueenfanman
      @mcqueenfanman Год назад +1

      Wasn’t that the book where the mortar teams had bars for protection. There’s probably some truth to that.

  • @joshuataft5541
    @joshuataft5541 Год назад +8

    I want a ruger pistol caliber carbine ..the older I get the more I like traditional stocks..I started on shotguns as most kids in my area for bird and deer hunting on a budget so a small traditional stock jst feels right..I wish it was more common to have an AR like that but I know not without piston operation...love ya Ian ❤️👑

    • @corey3606
      @corey3606 Год назад

      You might already be aware but if you want a traditional stock on an ARish platform, lookup the FiteLite SCR

    • @mattfleming86
      @mattfleming86 Год назад

      Seconded on the SCR.
      I've always wanted to build a marksman style fitelite, and i'm in a free state.

  • @ketchman8299
    @ketchman8299 Год назад +9

    Question for a Q&A- Resing or Thompson, which would Ian rather have in battle.

    • @k3D4rsi554maq
      @k3D4rsi554maq Год назад

      Indeed! An important question.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 Год назад

      Can he vote for none of the above?

    • @ketchman8299
      @ketchman8299 Год назад

      @@wingracer1614 No, the question is which of those 2 only.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 Год назад +2

      @@ketchman8299 Then he's not going to be happy answering you. I can tell you what he will say. Of just those two, he'll take the thompson but would much prefer an MP40 or Beretta

    • @ketchman8299
      @ketchman8299 Год назад

      @@wingracer1614 Sir, when I want YOUR opinion on Ian's thoughts and preference's I will address that question to you. Until then I will continue to adress my questions on Ian's thoughts in a manner such as I previously did. Thank you for your concern.

  • @iangreenhalgh9280
    @iangreenhalgh9280 Год назад +2

    First to the fight - if you don't count the 3 years the other allies have already been fighting for. :)

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred Год назад

      What took them so long to win?

  • @Jfb-so8xj
    @Jfb-so8xj Год назад +4

    Lmao I love that Ian didn't even attempt to pronounce 'Worcester' (also spelled wrong as "WORCFSTER") when reading the markings

  • @Kraakesolv
    @Kraakesolv Год назад +27

    Ah, the Reising. A decent choice for space pirates in the 1990s.

  • @charleykeenan6171
    @charleykeenan6171 Год назад +1

    Government in 1941 "We gave all the Garands and Thompsons to the Army" Marine Command in 1941 "OK. Well guys guess you get bolt actions in the jungles and full automatics raining down from the sky..." Marines in the field "That's cool..." 😉

  • @paulm7842
    @paulm7842 Год назад +7

    One of the additional uses for these guns was equipping guerrilla units. There's at least one picture of Iliff David Richardson (of "They Were Expendable" and "American Guerrilla in the Philippines" fame) with a Model 50.

  • @basketofdeplorables4253
    @basketofdeplorables4253 Год назад +3

    It can’t be a machine gun, it doesn’t even have the shoulder thing that goes up.

  • @MG_Sid
    @MG_Sid Год назад +2

    12446 isn't that early. I have a 6xx serial # Reising. ;)
    One thing about these Reisings, it is known for is the firing pin breaking due to it being bent between the hammer and bullet primer. There is flex firing causing metal fatigue and the pins would eventually break. Modification (modern modification someone did to Reisings) is to convert the firing pin to be a inertia driven firing pins. This is done by filing the back of the firing pin so it is a tad shorter and stop the compression between the hammer and the primer. The hammer would hit the pin and cause it to thrust forward, setting off the round. At no time the front and back has contact at the same time.

  • @Quacktical
    @Quacktical Год назад +1

    I love the rifle, let’s me mow down sketchy looters on the space prison map of marauders.

  • @bigtex4058
    @bigtex4058 Год назад +1

    Some weapons are best forgotten.

  • @anaphylastiks
    @anaphylastiks Год назад +1

    Being from NZ, I can say mostly just wet. And pacific rain forests are no joke.

  • @claymore295
    @claymore295 Год назад +3

    Hey I’m 451st!

  • @trooperdgb9722
    @trooperdgb9722 Год назад +1

    How did all the OTHER Infantry weapons manage in the Pacific theatre?

  • @alphatripduce
    @alphatripduce Год назад +3

    Almost bought one of the newer police models off a friend my senior year of college

  • @ShotGunner5609
    @ShotGunner5609 Год назад +4

    Really is a shame there wasn't more refinement into this lil guy. It's easy to forget current ar 15s have essentially 60 years of r&d up to this point, and it's a superior weapon system because of that.

  • @andrewostrelczuk406
    @andrewostrelczuk406 Год назад +3

    Ian I hope that you have a great weekend and Happy RED Friday!
    Remember
    Everyone
    Deployed
    Wear a Red Shirt on Friday’s
    Till they all come home!
    My Brothers and Sisters in Arms you are not Forgotten no matter how you reach home!
    All gave Some! But Some Gave All, least we forget that Our Country is Great as long as WE All Remember the Sacrifice that Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and our Uniformed services, History is not forgotten! Remember that for Veterans Day, their Names and stories deserve to be remembered and told! Veterans Day 11/11/2022 May just be the last time we have a WWII Vet in our Midst standing, or Bedridden.
    And I Doubt that in the Next Presidential election that there are Any Left to cast a Vote!😢

  • @jefferyvollers2705
    @jefferyvollers2705 Год назад +11

    In the 1970's, my father was a police officer in Durham NC. He told me that the armory still had several of the 50 style Reising machine guns and he was able to shoot a mag. through one. He said it worked fine.

  • @sanitater3271
    @sanitater3271 Год назад +4

    My local RSL here in Australia has one of these in display, I always thought they looked quite iconic to the pictures of US Marines they also had.