Steven Seagal vs Michael Jai White? / Who's actually wins?
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- Steven Seagal and Michael Jai White are both accomplished martial artists and movie stars. Although the two men have worked together a couple of times, they don't exactly think too highly of each other.
In this video, I pit the two men together and rate them based on several categories, such as martial arts history and background, physical fitness, overall coolness, quality of films and finally, who would win an actual fight!
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:38 - Seagal's martial arts background
04:37 - Michael Jai White's martial arts background
07:44 - Who's fitter, Seagal vs MJW?
08:32 - Who's cooler, Seagal or MJW?
10:03 - Who's got better movies?
12:38 - Who wins an actual fight, Seagal or MJW?
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I love your honesty and passion. Wishing you all the best always dude. Thanks for the great channel and content
+1
Both are legend in their field but they need to be more humbled and respectful to other colleagues in the martial arts. I wish both of them the best . 🙏
Wise words. I'm agree with you. 👍
Agreed. Everyone piles on Seagal but all the old legends featured on this channel tend to behave like children. Imagine the lack of shame it takes to be over 50 and still be calling people out like you're in middle school.
@@JDoe-gf5oz Agree, but I think in both Seagal's and MJW's cases (along with plenty of others) they are all about generating controversy, which gets them attention (they both love that!) and brings $$$.
Steven Segal has a very abrasive personality but he is a legit Aikido master who does hard style Aikido
According to interviews with Seagal, his Aikido training was brutal-he’d train for hours every day and even break bones. I have a feeling it definitely involved sparring. On that note, I believe there’s an “underground,” secretive version of Aikido that most Westerners don’t know about.
Brilliant David! Love them both. Down with the haters! 😊😊😊
That was an exceptional breakdown. I couldn’t agree with you more. Nice to hear some objectivity without any bias. This gives you credibility in my view. Thanks for what you do.
Seagal's first 5 movies went number one at the box office. Regarding filmography, that alone wins the argument.
I believe in a real fight that MJW would beat Seagal. Also MJW knows how to box pretty good. I know this because I'm a boxer. Even legend boxer Andre Ward said MJW has good skills. But I respect Seagal as well. Seagal is no push over at at all. Good video Viking Samurai.
MJW definitely has good hands
@@VikingSamurai yes he sure does have good hands skills
The Way You Put Them Clips Together Is Really Good You Got Skills 👍👍
Gave Steven too much credit for "seeking out the masters, opening up a school in Japan" and such. I heard it was his father-in-law who taught him aikido and when he retired he handed the school down to Seagal. He didn't come to Japan and start a school on his own accord.
Well it was other media that said he opened up the school but Seagal even said in old interview that he was given the school. But it was still a big deal that a gaijin was teaching in the home country. Yeah he learned from his father in law but he did have to seek him out though. He wanted to learn the old school aikido
But he did open a school out here in LA. That's how he met the agent got him started
He never opened a school in Japan his wife inherited a school from her father and Steven ran it.
Being handed out the responsibility of being the head of a dojo in Japan is no joke. Being a foreigner given that task is in itself huge.
Well that says a lot
Great video. I especially love the editing on this one 😁
Michael Jai White has an ego issue like Seagal, but he's not as delusional as him. Still MJW believes that sparring is the same as an actual fight and that sounds so silly to me. Also, the fact that MJW says Jean Claude is not a fighter is such a wild take, considering that JCVD actually had Karate fights and was not just sparring.
Facts
Van Dammage had legit kickboxing matches
Depends on who your sparring people get knocked the fucked out in sparring all the time
Sparring is as close to real fighting as it gets. And MJW has done a lot more of it than Seagal.
I would agree as also on MJW . He always states how other's are NOT fighters , and somehow thinks he is a pro fighter . Their is a big difference between being in shotokan tournaments .. and being a pro kick boxer like a Don Wilson , or boxer . White even believes he would beat Mike Tyson in a boxing match . And the guy has never had 1 pro fight . Let alone the fact Mike was the youngest HW champion of all time ! and destroyed guys with real top records .
Awww man I've been waiting on this. 😁😁😁
Another great video buddy. Keep it coming and I always wondered Michael Jai White versus Taimek Guerllio
Great video, Viking Samurai 🤺🥋 I agree with your veredict in this video. Very cool 👍✌️
Thank you kindly
That opening had me losing it, well done😂 😂
V. Samuari: " .. because Steven Seagal does not have the respect I think he deserves"..
Me: Can I laugh in your face?
I always knew that there where Seagal fans out there but it's the first time I see one. Specially in the last 15 years!
Fair lol
Seagal, is 71 years old and Michael is 55. Seagal, was one of the reasons to why I did Aikido for 17 years and another reason was that my first teacher use take on 3 people at once using Aikido at our gym which were all wrestlers that would take him on. If you want to see Aikido being used in the ring then look up Dan The Wolfman, or his channel Catch Jitsu.
You gave Segal far more credit than I would have. I think you may be a bit bias in favor of Segal, but I may be a bit bias against him. I'm not going to argue every point, but it has always bothered me when people separate martial artist from street fighter. I think most martial artist will have the same mindset in a street fight. We become martial artists to defend ourselves and get out of danger with minimal risk of injury. For that reason, I don't think mindset is as big of an advantage to Steven Segal as you give him credit for. I also believe MJW's timing, mobility and judge of distance is better than what Steven Segal appears to have had in his prime, as best as we can tell. Those things are essential as much in a street fight as they are in competition.
Street fight mentality is "I'll bite ur fu*"ing nose off and spit the blood and saliva in ur face so u can't see".. most martial artists and sports fighters wouldn't think like that.
@Viking Samurai, great topic 👍 👏 this is a tough one. Is there a updated video of Seagal sparring with someone to see his speed? I think MJW will take him down overall.
Seagal, van damme, Wesley snipes and dolph Lundgren was a big lose for Hollywood. One of The best action stars of all time. I don't know why they stop getting great screenplays and big budget movies after the 90s
Seagal’s 90s Movies, plus his Acting at that Time are FAR Better then anything MJW has done. But for a Real Fight in Today’s Day in Age? It’s hard to tell even though MJW is in Great Shape, and Quick Moving!!! But Seagal always had a way for being Cool for himself!!!
People got really tired of me replying “Can I laugh in your face?” to everything they said. But I just laughed in their face. They don’t know the true power of the Seagal words.
So can i laugh in your face?!
I honestly have to give it to MJW but honestly when it comes to Seagal and lack of respect unfortunately he is his own worst enemy in regards to that I don't think anybody wanted to hate the guy he just said too much unbelievable stuff and got involved with some shady people and got tied to alot of scandals but as a martial artist his knowledge and skill in what he does is undeniable he just should have shown more integrity
Very true. Not to mention his arrogance. Thinking he is unbeatable and trash talking legends and the best true fighters. Now mjw has had his own share of this. But has been no where near the level of Segal. Not to mention all the lies he has said and proved to be lots from many others. Amazing aikido master for sure. But in a sport or real life combat situation perfect example for both. Both trash talked Bruce Lee. Yet people like Chuck Norris, Jackie chan, and others who knew him will testify to just how good and dangerous he truly was. Well dangerous if he wanted to be. Mjw has show respect for other martial artists/fighters. But Segal not once seen him show respect to another.
" You taught me to never limit myself to one style, to keep an open mind!" -- Frank Dux - Bloodpsot
@@markvarley2962 " Teach me I can do it!"
@@markvarley2962 You cannot get Katana sword by stealing. It is a very special sword. You must earn it!
@@markvarley2962 oh no doubt! I could rehearse the whole movie of Bloodsport. Cyborg got a bad rap but I thought it was intense and well done.
@@markvarley2962 Lol. Great point.
I'm pretty sure u can get them on eBay these days.. how the martial arts have been watered down lol
“That’s Bullshit!” 😂 i died man.
MJW is 100% legit. Im being honest in the 90s I was a huge Steven Seagal fan. I looked forward to going to blockbuster with my dad and renting his movies. I know he’s older and can’t be the fighter/actor he was. I was very let down after learning some of the things he’s said and done
Legit? Then tell me one full contact fight that Michael Jai White was in? One!!!! The guy is a B-actor, that´s all.
@@Katzenhase True, end of discussion... 👍
@@Katzenhase, well, he was at the very least competing in the karate tournaments. I guess it's not quite a "full contact fight", but you know, with that attitude you could also call Chuck Norris not being legit and being just a B-actor. Both men are legit athletes, competitors, combat sport fighters (although one of them is definitely much more accomplished and venerable).
@@Bogdaman2 No! Norris was the best point fighter when he was fighting. He beat Joe Lewis 3times. Michael Jai White did some point fights when he was 15 years old. Do you really want to compare the iconic Chuck Norris to Michael Jai White? You must be out of your mind, pal!!!
@@Katzenhase dude, I don't want to compare Norris to MJW, it just goes to show the weirdness of the point of "tell me one full contact fight" in regards to "being legit". Does Steven had one? Although I also do believe, that he's a legit martial artist, although that still leaves an open question of is he a legit fighter as well.
In their primes, If MJW fought Seagal he would win in every style other than a grappling only style, no doubt. MJW has so much more range and acompany that with his fitness and strength advantages, I don't see how Seagal could handle him.
MJW knows how to grapple too. He wins easy no matter how they fight. He beats Seagal even if Steven has a baseball bat! 😂
@@mrjuse5470 no. Steven seagal would kill hi with a baseball bat or any kind of stick
Seagal is actually quite bit taller than MJW
@@HJK242so what if Segal is taller than MJW.
Nice one here ! I agree with you on this whole topic
How the hell can anyone take Steven Seagal this seriously 🤣
Seagal is the real deal 👌
They're dumb!
At the end of the day both guys are excellent martial artists.
It's so true about Segal's early films. He really had a great run from 88' to 96'. Above The Law, Hard To Kill, Out For Justice, Marked For Death, Under Siege, Under Siege 2. All great films on their own. Not to mention the decent Glimmer Man, Fire Down Below, some decent moments in On Deadly Ground and even in The Patriot. The opening to Executive Decision was awesome as well, with Seagal and crew taking down the terrorists at the compound.
Call me nuts, but if I had to pick may personal favorite of his films, it might actually be Marked For Death. I don't consider it his best, but it might be my number 1. I like the pairing of him with Keith David and the Jamaicans as the bad guys was neat, and some great kills too.
MJW performance was phenomenal in the Tyson movie. And Black Dynamite is my best exploitation homage movie.
The guy is a B-actor who never made a movie as the main star at a big A studio. Seagal was a former huge A-movie star!!!
@@Katzenhase the part about "never made a movie..." is not quite true. New Line Cinema was quite a noticeable studio at the time, and Michael has been granted his best shot as the main star of a movie with a pretty hefty budget - Spawn that is. Obviously, this had quite an arguable results, but nonetheless.
@@Bogdaman2 But please don´t compare the martial arts movie career with Seagal. Seagal was on a completely other level. He revolutionized the martial arts genre with a totally new style.
@@Katzenhase yep, I've described my thoughts in another comment somewhere on the upper level of the tree, I completely agree that Seagal is a legit action movie legend of a highest caliber (although those times are long gone), and MJW hasn't really been able to break from B(and, sometimes, even C)-rated action flicks.
Glad you brought up the fact that SMALL JOINT MANIPULATION is not allowed in MMA. John Machado of the Machado Jiujitsu family did a film with Seagal in Under Siege 2. I'm sure he would be great on an interview since he was also in Kickboxer 4 and Redbelt as well.
I'm confused. If you play pick-up basketball with Lebron and KD.....that makes you an NBA player? If you golf a few holes with Tiger Woods....that makes you a professional golfer?
What exactly makes MJW a fighter? Because he hangs out with fighters?
I do agree he could beat Bruce Lee in a fight.
Keanu Reeves can also fight in the movies but he doesn't consider himself a real fighter, Fighting in the movies is easy now in real life it's different.
I would give the edge to Seagal for the sole reason he never trained for sport, he trained to finish fights quickly and definitively. This is and requires a different mentality than sport fighting and training. There's a lethal edge to Seagal's style, no fluff, just pain.
Great breakdown!
Great job !!!!
Steven seagal thought he could pull off the Samo Hung look but he was wrong. Some of his recent movies he doesn’t even stand up for the fight scene. Samo Hung in Kill Zone was still kicking happy at an old age.
Great Video Sir I used to love Seagal until he went a little bit off the Rails, as for MJW, loved the guy Since "Spawn" he's also great on the Boyka Movies and the movie "Blood And Bone" (the one with Kimbo at the start) is simply Awesome! 👍👊
Steven be looking for the best food masters in Asia also, so he can become well rounded
MJW wins in a fight hands down.
He's like 30 years younger so it's not really fair.
He would never get close enough to land a punch
@@JDoe-gf5oz 15 yrs
Master Steven would Tater-Tot him! 🇺🇸🙌🏻
"Can I laugh in your face!" 😁
100% agree, didn't think I would. Slightly bias as I have Aikijujutsu Aikido background to compliment my JKD and Kali. I have been able to use some on the street and often while sparring once they tie up or go to the ground. It works for me but it's mostly mindset more than skill set. I got into Aiki because of Segal's movies and thought it was BS so had to test myself, loved it and trained 8 years. But most people trained in it can't actually use it. They're not cross training and too programmed. In the end it's the individual not the system
Stop avoiding the question
@@EmorSceneForME avoiding what question
@𝓙.𝓡 no but I guess your a leftist and read into shit that isn’t there or try to have me answer your way. Every system is weak somewhere and even a well rounded fighter can lose. It’s all on the individual. I’m f you limit yourself to one system, you will eventually run into a problem you’re unfamiliar w/ and not likely to handle. It was my goal in 42 years of active training to avoid losing in the street so I’ve trained in everything. Now for me the only art I trained and don’t use to the best of my recollection is TKD but I haven’t trained w/ it since I was 6 or 7 I didn’t learn enough to make use of it
I agree with you. Outside of the endurance issue, as it relates to Seagal, If it was a street fight, no rules, Seagal would win.
If it was sport, White would have the advantage, as it relates to stamina and general fitness. - brother teacher
Hey, Viking: Some commenter called @JR is still beating that dead horse about Seagal getting choked out by old man LeBell. Your show proved that it didn't happen. I also at one time, in the 1980's after leaving the police and opening my companies which are well-known today; owned a piece of a wrestling promo in Texas. It was affiliated with Southwest Championship Wrestling. Wrestling is a show. Yes, pro wrestlers are tremendous athletes and go through rigorous matches but, it's a show. LeBell, was a pro wrestler with the usual cauliflower ears and only a showman. That fairy tale about him choking out Seagal really needs to be put to rest again. You really do a great job and out of ALL martial arts channels, you offer the most fair and sensible opinions. For real.
We can only lead people like JR to the truth, whether they want to believe it or not is up to them lol
Hey bro Good videos are u like half Japanese and half Irish Scandinavian?
They’re both studio/movie fighters LOL
I think your assessment is pretty accurate throughout the video. FYI, just like you I’m a Seagal, MJW, and Vandamme fan .
Let’s be honest, Sophisticated version of Aikido is great to diffuse the situation without much harm in places like bars, or against your drunk friend, and against untrained people, but Michael is all rounded martial artist. He spent his entire life training with the best UFC fighters and his strength is probably 10 times bigger than Steven. Can Steven win? I believe Van Damme when he said he waited for him to fight and Steven ran away. This is well documented by Can Damme, Stallone and other eye witnesses. Peace.
VDamme did, It happened at Stallone's place. Who the hell did Seagal ever fought? He claims he fought all his life but all I see are demonstration where his students throw themselves (sometimes) even before he touches them. I wouldn't mind Seagal if he was not such a liar and so full of himself.
@@RandomAndre13 he said that his son and Bruce Lee’s son were the same age, and I fact checked, turned out to be a lie. lie is an ugly thing.
I'd like to see Michael Jie White vs Randy Couture. Seagal is 16 years old than Jie White. Couture is 4 years older so I think this is a more reasonable matchup.
If you have an mma organization based in Kentucky, you could call it KFC (Kentucky Fighting Championship).
Fantastic video David loved it been waiting for something like this for awhile loved Seagals movie's watched them all growing up marked for death above the law under siege what classics MJW not as much i remember watching the movie Spawn as a kid another great movie but love Seagal or hate him at the end of the day he is legit both guys are bad asses.
In a real fight,i think a young Steven seagal will win 👊👍
I don't think Steven Seagal has skills and power to beat someone like Michael J White,there is a big difference between a guy who is just tall and grab and throw and someone who can do the same and also kick and punch,MJW is actually right about that story of the kick.
Both guys great philosophies in Martial arts respect both guys their Martial arts phenomenon
Seagal. Everytime. While off topic how about getting Sasha Mitchell on your show? Would love to hear his Kickboxer stories and other action films he did
This time my friend if I agree 100% with the review Seagal would beat White in the street although White is a great athlete sees that Seagal dominates his discipline better and I think it is because he has mastered the technique and his much meditation what gives him the power to co-focus the energy and project it causing greater damage ;)
I've commented here before. Let's go again. I'm an ex-Chicago cop, trained in Jiu Jitsu from age 7 from my dad who was a WWII Navy frogman and jungle clearer. I was trained through adulthood in Jiu Jitsu and Kyokushinkai-kan. I'm a 1stBlack; I 've had a few hundred fast street fights as a cop working a high-crime car pulling over and tossing like 20 cars a night, 25 private fights ( won 20 ), my cop partner was involved with Black Dragon in Chicago, I was with Red Dragons on North Side. We both know real fighting. My other partner who is a one-punch nose breaker who destroyed a Navy Seal who got cute with him. The City paid out like million for that. THAT partner, the nose-breaker saw Seagal in action on the set of Above the Law when he provided Chicago Police security. There was a wise a&& cop we knew, a real jerk ,but a pretty tough guy, who had a role as one of the cops on the roof in the old meat-packing market; who went at Seagal by surprise on set. Seagal put him down and injured him fast. An experienced fighter can look at Seagal , at his teachings to the Enkamps and realize Seagal has the focus, experience and mental abilities of a real fighter. MJW and his types are a dime-a-dozen. Yes, Seagal is older and got heavy. But that weight and his still incredible speed and unusual moves would allow him to destroy MJW even now. And good for you, Viking having the cajones to give Seagal the credit he deserves!
People does not want understand that Seagal really has seminars with special forces.A little part of interview frod director sambo 70 school about Seagal: I don't know do you know have you heard about Sambo?So,i I send you interview the director sambo 70 school about Steven Seagal. and his close training with police force(Omon),and gyus from Securities Federal Sevrice(they provide protection for the first persons of the state).Here this part of interview:Seagal really as good as he is shown in the movies?
Good, really good! We, too, were skeptical at first, thought, grinning - an artist, shows various unreal. But after a closed training session with Seagal, our security officials (they are highly professional guys) said: “Hey, he's great!”. Many of the techniques shown to him are in the arsenal of our security specialists. They determined that in the combat part of aikido martial arts, Seagal knows specific serious techniques that lead to the neutralization of an opponent.
Our guys are very professional and they emphasized that Seagal is definitely not below their level.
@𝓙.𝓡 Hey, man catch up! That never happened. Viking Samurai had the stuntman on and he WAS THERE. And LeBell was a pro wrestler anyway, all show. I used to own a piece of a wrestling promotion in Texas.
@@JM-Blackjack Do you know who is Oleg Taktarow?After he trained with Label,he told that Lebell is only wrestler.And his skolls in judo very poor.
@@j_a_YR_a_r Do you know who is Oleg Taktarow?After he trained with Label,he told that Lebell is only wrestler.And his skolls in judo very poor.
@@JM-Blackjack Do you know who is Oleg Taktarow?After he trained with Label,he told that Lebell is only wrestler.And his skolls in judo very poor.
Let me just say, as far as coolness goes, no one can touch Black Dynamite!
In my humble opinion, Steven Seagal it's in some way like Sammo Hung. He doesn't have " a beauty shape" but he still able to kick ass with is body.
One of his best current movies is Attrition, something like " Ip Man ".
Gary Busey and Keanu Reeves! Point Break! Unbeatable!
I think you are a very fair-minded guy who honestly looks at things from all sides. Well done!
But all this talk in the comments about who's better than who is a lot like the arguments over who the "best" guitar player is. We're talking about ART first of all - so almost all talk is about YOUR preference for whatever reasons YOU choose. Real artists with individual styles are hard to compare on an apples to apples basis.
And the last thing you said about an actual physical contest between the two is most on target: Seagal was never a fighter in the competition sense, so as he says in Under Siege 2 "I'm not trained for this".
Seagal's approach, the real martial (as in WAR) approach, is not about 'winning' or having great style (although he does). It's about surviving and totally dominating your opponent BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. It's not fair or rule-based in any way.
MJW is a competitor and athlete for sure, but not a warrior. He's about sports, and sports is about rules, not life and death.
By definition, sports, however brutal, however skilled and tough the athletes (not warriors) are, it's a competition, with rules and points and careers on the line - not your actual life. At least not on purpose.
Yes, competition arts are so rough and dangerous people do get seriously injured and occasionally die but in WAR, that's the rule, not the exception. BIG difference.
So comparing the two is like saying which is better, baseball or football? NASCAR or Formula 1. A Navy SEAL or a Pro Football player? Better at what, where and with what rules (if any)?
All that really matters is the street. The rest is just fighting games!
Seagal's legitimately respected by the Master's through out Asia, that's a fact. It's unfortunate he let himself go physically the way he has, while making some interesting statements also. Both of which have made him a target for both deserved and undeserved criticism and embellished hatred in many cases. It's too bad.
Would be nice to ask Frank Dux why he demonstrated to break the bulletproof glass after it was already weakened by the bullet shot. You would think that everyone would of brought that up, especially right when he demonstrated it. If it indeed was bulletproof.
Completely agree with You, Viking!!
As an Elite Martial Artist in multiple disciplines; im a big fan of Seagal.
Both his Martial Arts and movies.
Out for Justice my favorite 👍
Side note; i don't agree with everything Seagal says about Michael.
Great video, Viking. Regarding your estimation of Seagal's conditioning, consider Roy Nerlson vs Dillion Cleckler in bare knuckle boxing. Nelson was in horrible shape and Cleckler was ripped at 250 lbs, yet Nelson knocked him out. And regarding White's movies, none of them were as big as Seagal's earlier big movies, but many consider Blood and Bone and Undisputed 2 to be classics in the genre. Like you say, Seagal clearly has the higher mastery level in a particular martial art, but how that translates to a street fight against someone like White is anyone's guess.
Good point
@@VikingSamurai Without any rools,Seagal beat MJW.i sent ro you many video with Seagal.ruclips.net/video/FGukZFGM1g0/видео.html
Being ripped and having a low percentage of body fat does not necessarily speak to your heart's conditioning and your stamina. I've seen fat guys with really good stamina.
Steven Seagal movies beat Jai White movies hands down…at least the early ones
Roy Nelson trained his ass off and did camps for every fight, it's a discipline we've never, NEVER, seen from Seagull, he's just been pursuing his own self interest as long as we've known him. He was given a job as an instructor from his wife's father, then cheated on her and married another woman in the U.S. while still married to her and had a son. Shitty character is another consistency.
Are there any videos where you can see MJW fighting abilities? All i could find is only him doing fitness and acrobatics.
Seagal & Van Damme to Michael Jai white: neither are you 😂🤦
Has anybody seen Richieeeeeee?
does anybody know why Richie did Bobby Lupoooo?
That were some fair points! 👍🏼
Thank u!
Good review.
Tyson in his prime beats both of them both back to back without taking off an ear.
One is a actor the other is Steven Seagal. I think I made my point. Steven Seagal FTW
Seahawks lawman and attrition are very good movies, he wrote attrition very insightful
I noticed John Wick does a lot of Steven Segal type stuff.
Steven Seagal would just undress anyone coming close, it´s just a fact..you can´t touch him, that Aikodo skill is actually real..
Seagall is definitely legit in his martial arts skills, his personality and mouth kinda made people hate him.
At the end of the video.. I think I agree with you 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Excellent video, once again. I’m not gonna lie, when I was a kid I loved Van Damme, and still do, but I really liked Seagal’s style. The slicked back hair, the leather jacket, and the “I’m here, let’s do this cause I don’t give a fuck” attitude. Basically Van Damme as Alex in Double Impact was my ideal cool, tough guy.
Don't forget the signature ponytail.
@@antoiner3820 back then that ponytail was the the rug in The Big Lebowski, it tied the whole look together
Personally, I think both are excellent in their own areas.
I know it wasn't a starring role, but Michael Jai White was in The Dark Knight...
Back in the day I used to say that 'no one' could stand face to face with Seagal and hit him...Probably still couldn't now...Ha!
What movie was this ? Im thinking this is one if the better ones, he had a few home runs out of all the strikeouts
Segals first few movies are still and will always be classics. Putting him up there in the Mount Rushmore of Hollywood Action Movies of the late 80s early 90s with Sly, Arnie and Van Damme. 100%.
you put seagal and van damme ahead of reeves cruise mel gibson jackie chan and others? both of them had a pick top 5-7 years
@𝓙.𝓡 I agree on Seagal, and respect you replacing him with Chuck... I really do... But I think I stick with SS. Hmmmm.... If we go 70s to 80s...I would have Chuck and Bruce Lee instead of Van Damme and Seagal
@@izkar3637 My all time favourite movie is Braveheart, Gibbo is my fav, and I love Willis and all 80s and 90s stars but yeah for the mount Rushmore of 80s/90s action movie icons, I have them 4
@@DNOstalgia thats your taste man but still comparing them to others for example jackie chan 50 years career and ofcourse keanu reeves matrix the wick series speed point break more than 30 years at the top and to.put guys with 5 good movies its crazy
@@izkar3637 100% it's my option and my opinion only. Oh man John Wick movies are my favourite. But for me, in my head, as a western action movie fan during the late 80s early 90s it's those 4.
Hey Mate !good to see a channel that doesn’t Tear Steven apart! As is the current Trend unfortunately 🤦♂️. Us Segal Appreciators are rare and have a good eye for a based awesome motherfker. 🔥
4:35 "He's pretty well rounded." 🤣🤣🤣
He is. Seagal has a 5th degree Kyokushin black belt under Hatsuo Royama. He's also trained Taijiquan, Southern Gongfu, and Judo/Jujutsu. He's trained for years with Guru Dan Inosanto. Are you goofballs gonna claim that Inosanto is a fraud too?
You can ask ANY of these pro fighters if Seagal is legit or not: Chinzo Machida, Lyoto Machida, Ricco Rodriguez (UFC hall of famer), Razor Rey Garcia (Judo and BJJ black belt, champion competitor), Oliver Enkamp, Ron Smoorenburg (Dutch kickboxer/stuntman).
Oh, and also Tommy Lee Jones himself stated that Seagal was a "very athletic and skilled martial artist" (from an interview in the early 90s).
V.S. Both martial artists are great in my view. I guess I am biased with Steven S. being from MI. Great content sir.
So, I am going out on a limb here Viking! I love your stuff, and this is no exception. However, I just can't believe a lot of what Segal has claimed. First, I don't know if you are aware, but did you know that Segal hasn't advanced in rank since he left his first wife's fathers' dojo? Somehow, her dad made him I think a 7th dan, in the span of only a few years, which is unheard of, but his first wife explained that her father gave him that rank so he would go back to America and open a Dojo with credentials. But since then, he hasn't been instructed, or awarded any rank since that time. Also, he has claimed so many things that are proven untrue, that you just can't take anything not personally verified as legitimate.
Personally, I don't Segal is that effective. He moves slow, and as a martial artist yourself, what is the liklihood that someone is going to catch your jab, wrist lock you, and then manipulate you? Have you ever seen the video where Rokas from MyMartialArtsJourney spars with Jesse Einkamp? I don't know, man. he's a bigamist, a predator, a compulsive liar, and a bully. He broke Sean Connery's wrist! I mean, why would you do that, if you were so good? If you have the mastery he claims, why would he hurt an old man? I agree that his fimography for those first four films trumps MJW, for sure. And I also agree that MJW has made the slighlty better films in the last 20 years...man, we are getting old, aren't we? But other than that, I just don't think Segal could actually do much in a real fight, against a trained martial artist or fighter. And since MJW has a black belt in Kyokushin, you know he has at least had full contact, hard sparring. Coolness factor, for me, goes to the one that isn't a convicted bigamist or predator...sorry, can't leave that out, man. But that is just me.
Fair
Good points. Just to add that no master will allow someone who is not good enough to open a dojo or even train others. I agree that both Segal and Michael bragged too much and their masters will definitely not condone their disrespect for others.
both amazing 😎😎❤️
Seagal earned a solid foundation for himself. Then he became his own caricature. Just did & said some dumb stuff.
love your angle on this subject man, seagal gets a bad wrap on RUclips in general an its very petty, I glad to see you on the Jason brant channel too, that guy seriously gets on my nerves, built his show around dissin seagal for been old an over weight etc, im like look who's talking, kettle calling the pot isnt it, mike an Steven are both legit legends in martial arts, unlike mr brant an the chubby bunch that are only legends in there own head lol
Hey @vikingsamurai, love the videos!
Respectfully, in my opinion, the determining factor in who wins in a fight is who is training with live resistance more often. Live resistance martial arts I would point out as effective are the Big Four: wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai, boxing. There are others, but they're harder to find in the wild.
MJW Trains live resistance arts, and is in excellent physical condition. He's also a huge dude. He also clearly understands the difference between what looks good for film and what is an effective combat technique, as he demonstrated in Jesse Enkamp's video with him.
Seagal, while I respect the influence he's had on the public's interest in martial arts, does not train with ANY live resistance, as far as I've seen. He's big, but he's not in great shape. Aikido can be effective when used by someone who already knows how to fight. Practiced by itself, not so much against people who know how to fight. Ask Rokas, haha.
Also, in the footage clips of Seagal at 7:21, I'm reminded of a tip I heard once from someone on how to judge fight choreography - watch the people who are attacking.
MJW all day, no questions asked.
For the same reasons, MJW is destroying Bruce Lee as well. We actually made a video about it, it's on my channel.
Thanks again for the excellent interviews!
Great analysis. Perfectly on point !
@@arielondoua Hey, thanks! 😀
@@arielondoua We did a video a while back - ruclips.net/video/nODhFRsONxA/видео.html
@@RadicalTrivia Just saw the video. Indeed a great one and I like the way you put the question it reduce the biais in the answer. Really original. You have won a new subscriber.
@@arielondoua I really appreciate that. It's nice to have positive interactions on RUclips! 😀
Get Van Damme on the show. Ask his best friend ask him.
MJW films get nowhere near Seagals first 5. As for a fight in real life, right now MJW but in their prime i think Seagal would've taken him
Seagal was married to the akido shihan's daughter, and that's why he was the dojo Cho (school head) that's all. This doesn't make one a bad ass in Japan 😉
Yeah Mike has this in the bag
100% agree with you. Nothing to add.
I fully agree with everything, very good analysis