I like the part where Valentine says, "I thought this was for only like school teachers and like that." And PIP says, "Oh, we have some school teachers here."
@@AnneMolly56 if there is some place similar to heaven and hell then immortal beings would likely be beyond our comprehension like on the good place. He's likely just an immortal being doing his job and no real "devil" exists.
A scared, angry little man who never got a break. Now he has everything he’s ever wanted. And he’s going to have to live with it, for eternity, in the Twilight Zone.
Funny thing is.. If you pay attention Mr. Valentine’s “angel” was trying to tell him the whole time what was really going on, but Mr. Valentine kept cutting him off
He tired to break it to him easy but valentine didn't want to listen an drew his own conclusion. Fats just let him go deeper down rabbit hole making the reveal that much sweeter to him.
Fun fact, in the Twilight Zone ride in both Paris and Orlando, look at the book, it says that exact phrase - "You can check out any time you like, BUT you can NEVER leave!"
@@monicaguerra4079 theres also another one. If you go to the bit with the lettering, you will notice that there are letters missing, look down to where they have fallen and it spells out "USE THE STAIRS!!"
+Non Sequiturs The weird part is, other episodes of TZ used the word "Hell". Like the one where the 6 characters were stuck in a circular tube (they turned out to be dolls). The guy in that episode says "I figured out where we are. We are in Hell".
What I learned: There is no value without scarcity, there is no accomplishment without challenge and there is no freedom without risk. Welcome to paradise, get a helmet.
I LOVE this episode, this actually pulls the viewers into the episode like Rocky had actually gone to Heaven and not the other one, but then when Pip actually says "WHAT gave you THAT idea Mr Valentine? THIS IS the other place!", we all realize that we were suckered in by Satan himself as Pip/Satan laughs maniacally at Rocky whilst he's trying to escape.
@@bored1ca The greatest trick that man ever played was convincing the world that the devil does exits. And the Great Pumpkin arrives every Halloween to renew our spirit.
@@handsomeman-pm9vyOh look. Another edgy know it all who, of course, has absolute proof that the Devil, and God, do NOT exist and can show it. Right? Right? Of course you can't, any more than anyone can absolutely prove that they do. You keep right on with your bad self, though, pretending you're OH! so much smarter than anyone else.
This episode is awesome because it is designed for him personally. So if you do the same things over and over again. You will get bored fast. You don't want to live your life where you always win and now you can get anything you want. There is no drive or ambition to do anything
When we think of heaven, all we can imagine is having everything that makes us happy now temporarily. Perhaps its because we know that it will eventually end. If you're a Christian, being with Jesus is the only way to be happy eternally. We can't imagine heaven because we haven't gone yet. It's a different kind of happiness.
I love this interpretation of Hell, because in a sense it very well be what Hell is actually like. Eternal gluttony and vice, which may sound like paradise, but the torture comes from boredom of everything being predictable and not meaning anything.
No, he didn't lie. He didn't tell Mr. Valentine that he was in heaven even though Valentine assumed he was in heaven. He just didn't correct Valentine's mistaken impression and tell him he was actually in HELL....well, at least not right away
I own a book entitled, "The Twilight Zone Companion". It's a great and thorough book, where the author examines each and every episode. In relating to this particular episode, the author wrote that the actor who plays "Rocky Valentine' was miscast, and over acted the role to a point of being a B movie gangster. I respectfully have to disagree. I think "both" actors played their roles perfectly. I also think that this is one of those underrated episodes which gets less than it deserves. The very end, where "Pip" laughs demonically over Valentine's horrific revelation, was chilling. One of my all-time favorites.
+LATVERIAN1 Hey, did you know that PIP means Prisoner in Purgatory. So PIP has a real chance to get out of hell after a few centuries or perhaps millenniums. But Rocky is stuck in hell for all eternity.
+LATVERIAN1 I agree with you man this episode is a classic. That laugh Pip made also creeps me out to this day and I'm 28 years old! The twist at the end even fooled me. This is one of my favorite episodes.
I knew he was in the "other place" the whole time and was wondering when the idiot would get it. I laughed right along with "fats" it was so satisfying.
Warbird Phoenix - It is pretty predictable but the heart of the twist is in his reaction when he realises that he's gonna spend the eternity in this everlasting boredom.
+ertznay Sebastian Cabot (Pip) voiced Sir Ector in disney's THE SWORD IN THE STONE (1963) and Bagheera the Black Panther in disney's THE JUNGLE BOOK (1967). He also narrated the Winnie the Pooh classics.
Wow. I cant get past that part where PIP says " this is the other place". The look on that guy's face, the shock, the realization of where he is. That music as he has that shocked stare then, he cant open the door to get out. And then that LAUGH, something runs all the way from my lower back to my neck. I did not see this coming at all when i first saw it. It still gets to me at age 68! It still bothers me!
What a great episode. It reminds me of Hollywood movie stars that are rich and famous but still puking miserably into gold toilets. Fame and wealth don’t do a thing for them.
Wow what an idiot, you missed the whole point of this episode. The point of the episode is that if you don't work, fight or suffer for something it's not worth having
@@grkpektis in a way he's right. The episode is multi faceted. Bojack horseman is the perfect example of you can have everything in the world and not be happy, which this episide displays.
@@SeraphSeph A quote from a Star Trek episode:"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true".
I think it was some theologian who said= Hell is being cut off from God. Valentine has everything he wants in the world, but no spiritual connection. Thus he is in Hell.
-@@MastaSmack I consider myself a Spiritual Person, not a Religious Person. I don't know the Bible that well. I think it was Aquinas or one of the other Christian Philosophers who talked about the Dark Night of the Soul and being cut off from God. Can you please give me the Reference in the Bible where it says you can't be Cut off from God.
I don't feel like looking it up, but you can google the line "if you make your bed in hell, I am there" The idea is, there is no place that God is not, or else it couldn't even exist.
It's Psalm 139 from KJV of the Bible. God is in Hell, he is in Heaven...he even says at one point in the bible that he will never leave or forsake you.
As a person that has watched episodes of The Twilight Zone thousands of times over the last 60 years (I'll be 70 next month) I pride myself on being able to find little things that fans of the show may not be aware of. Look closely at the cop at the end of the first casino scene. You'll realize it's Max Baer Jr., aka Jethro Bodine from The Beverly Hillbillies. He wasn't credited but I've looked at the scene closely and it's definitely him.
Great episode. I remember watching it the first time and it stuck with me. I love great twist endings. I assume they say "the other place" because they weren't allowed to say "hell" on TV in those days. Times sure have changed since then.
Can't be that. In the episode where everyone is trapped in the big metal pit, one of the characters outright says that they're in hell. I think you could say hell as long as it wasn't a "swear".
This episode reminds me of a lady that went onto a radio show, to talk about her NDE experience. She said she visited different planes of "reality" in one of theses places she encounter a place that was so perfect so peaceful and beautiful beyond belief she felt alarmed that she needed to leave right away because she was overwhelmed in the presence of perfection perhaps that it's what hell is like.
@@samhank Basically, she ended up being in a Perfect place and it alarmed her and she wanted to nope out of there quickly. Basically, the place was so perfect, it creeped her out. Imagine going to a place where EVERYBODY had a creepy cult like smile. 😁 Imagine seeing this smile 500 times in a row.....
@@MarySmith-lv3mo I read a lot about NDE and I think people can be overwhelmed when they’re not used to perfection. Others have explained that’s why we are born to experience opposition on earth. With this episode, it just shows us that if you have no opposition there is no reason to be better and to help others. Perhaps there wouldn’t even be any crime. Makes me wonder when enough is enough if you have everything you ever wanted?
The first Matrix movie mentioned something like this-- to enslave humanity the machines made a VR world that was free from hunger and pain and misery-- and the humans jacked into it kept waking up because their minds rejected it
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Sebastian Cabot was also among voices in Disney. Sir Ector in The Sword in the Stone, Bagheera the black panther in The Jungle Book, and the narrator in the Winnie the Pooh classic shorts.
This episode makes a very, very important truth about humanity very clear, that you should all be fully aware of. Humans need struggle, we need adversity, we crave challenges, we need something that seems impossible to be always on the horizon that we can chase, or we'll go nuts. If humans don't have something to discover, to explore, something to fight for or against, something to conquer, something to overcome, we will be completely unhappy, eventually to the point of suicide. Look at the mice paradise experiment for proof. Work is every bit as important as play for humans. Pray that we never know it, or have built it all.
That and it's important to be grateful for what you have. Rocky is handed a paradise but is never grateful for it. He's still just as surly and angry as ever, on top of not having a tiny mind with no imagination whatsoever. You can have ANYTHING he wants and he just settles for small crap like gambling, money, babes and robbing banks. A flying pig, a flight over rainbows, shrink down to a microscopic size and explore atoms, a parade of pink elephants. Use your brain, dude.
@@funkapotamus86you know, you’re right. It depends on personality which is why “the other place” is customized for each person. To Rocky this is Hell, to someone who is fine with monotony, this isn’t as bad
@@riverjordan2725 You’d almost think so because there’s no respond from them after he speaks to them but when you look at how he delivers the line, he’s definitely looking at them. Something about what they’re doing (or not doing) caused him to react like that.
Eternal life means eternal hell. If you live for ever and ever and ever what are you going to do to fill in that time! Sitting on a cloud playing a harpsichord might not seem so bad for the first ten million years but might look a very boring prospect for the next ten billion! And what about the ten trillion after that! When faced with these kind of eternal life problems non thinking Christians, as well as afterlife believers in general, just tell themselves god, or a higher force, has taken care of this! I'd love to know how.
@@anilomd Thank you for proving my point about non thinking Christians. Try and ponder this question: If life on earth is based around staving off boredom (its a constant search for activities to fill in time to stop us getting restless) and yet even the most adventurous thrill seekers among us still cant avoid getting bored sometimes, then what magical ingredient does an eternal afterlife contain that serves up a perfect 'no boredom' meal? Can you offer speculations (other than God's increasing revelation - what does that even mean) on how an existence of a trillion times a trillion times a trillion years would never produce one moment of boredom! An emotionless machine, like a computer, could survive it!
Great episode, one of the better ones IMO. I think an important factor is mentally accepting your fate, and Valentine probably cannot do that. He'll instead go mad. Someone else in his shoes may be like ok, well this certainly beats that "burning in hellfire forever" thing I've always heard about. Even if he just relaxes, enjoys the women, etc., there's much worse ways to spend eternity. I'm curious to see what else there is in his "world," places to explore, maybe even finding some secrets.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I think it would eventually drive anyone mad tho. I heard on a RUclips video the story of a porn actor and this was a man that got paid to sleep with beautiful women! Imagine that huh? Anyway, it eventually drove him crazy because he was so desensitized to the thrill that it did nothing for him anymore. The man was contemplating suicide and he got out of the business. There’s pleasure in sin for a season. Then the bill has to be paid and so many people pay it with their sanity and even their lives. Just something to think about..that’s all I’m sayin.
That maniacal laugh at the end by his Guardian “Angel” sent shivers down my spine whenever I watched this episode as a kid. And I would get this overwhelming sense of dread and of being trapped. Even though he was a hood who didn’t deserve anything better, I felt bad for him. To be stuck in Hell for Eternity. Yikes! 😱
@@zoefang4563 Maybe there is no Hell and there’s nothing to fret about. Ever think of that possibility? In Judaism, there is No Purgatory for instance.
Thing is, is that you gotta remember, Rocky wasn't that smart to begin with, when he realized he was dead, he went "So I'm in heaven!!" and Pip had a curious look on his face like "Okay, I'm gonna play along, see how long it takes him to click on" and it doesn't until the end when he gets sick of the same girls, the same drinks, same food, same winning on gambling etc and Pip just looks at him and sternly says "WHAT made you THINK this was heaven, Mr Valentine? THIS IS the OTHER place!"
@@GenGamesUniverse Yeah, he was happy at first and then he got bored. He was kind of a dim bulb. Imagine gambling and winning all the time? That kills the whole thrill and takes the fun out of it if you know you can’t lose ever. So they ruined it for him. But the piece de resistance was that evil laugh at the end. That really scared me as a kid. The idea that your stuck for all Eternity with this devil torturing you. Now that would be Hell. You’d want it to end at some point. But they won’t let you be. Horrible!
I remember reading Sebastian Cabot needed a lot of convincing to get his hair fully bleached, but they were able to get him by saying how critical it was for him to have an angelic appearance with white hair and a white suit.
I used to have this seemingly never ending fear of am eternity of nothing, but I'm aware of it forever! I think it's whatever you want it to be, like your own private existence in immortality, what you choose to experience etc. basically is what you deserve I guess, maybe the afterlife isn't perfect either?!
Great story and acting. Larry Blyden(Rocky) went on to other projects (including another guest role on "TZ" and a stint as a game show host) before his untimely death after a car crash in 1975.
I think this is a pretty solid episode, one that I enjoyed a lot. As happens in The Twilight Zone, some episode endings are pretty much telegraphed and you know what the ending is going to be. Regardless, even though I figured out the episode’s “twist”, it didn’t take away from the enjoyment of this story!
Larry Blyden met a tragic early end. He was vacationing alone in Morocco when he was killed in a car accident. Accounts differ about the circumstances. Some have claimed that it was a carjacking and that he was left for dead by the perpetrators. The official account makes it sound more like was alone in the car and merely went off the road
I'm surprised that no one mentioned that Mr. Valentine stopped wearing the flashy suit and was now wearing a poor man's white shirt, suspenders, Black corduroy pants. In 1960 this was the equivalent of T shirt and shorts that everyday people wear. That was a clue he was so over his flashy, fun, glamorous and materialistic "Heaven." :)
A scared little man who never caught a break. And now he has everything he’s ever wanted and he’s going to have to live with it for eternity. In the Twilight Zone.
You know Valentine could’ve easily laid out a whole plan to orchestrate loosing at times for a while, then have Pip erase his memory of him laying out the whole plan, that way it still resembled his life before.
Ironically, this is just what happened in *The Good Place.* And the demons in that series strangely don't seem to realise they got a good thing going with the memory erasures.
Strange as I never saw Pip as the villain of the story. The villain is Rocky, a man who, as is records show, has no redeeming features whatsoever. Eve at the end he shows no remorse for his crimes, only annoyed that he can't commit them with some semblence of a gamble so he can feel like he beat the odds. He is in Hell for the bad man that he is, Pip is merely part of the elaborate trap used for Rocky to pretty much punish himself.
Fats saved the best for last. He's probably done that to many souls condemned to "the other place." That's his only enjoyment; being accommodating to them, until the last minute.
I remembered this as a kid and it scared the crap out of me. I don't remember them visiting his records though that was pretty insightful for the 50's. Now with all this new age material thats out there it reminds me of the Akashic records.
Mickey Rooney was intended for the 'Valentine' part but wasn't available, nor was Rod Serling, so they chose Cabot (who had to take weeks getting the white dye out of his hair).
There were some remakes that was done in the 80's -90's episodes...Such as ' Monster are due at maple street '...and ' A game of pool '..just to name a few...I've watched them, and in my opinion the original are STILL the best..
The 1970's show NIGHT GALLERY, with Mr. Serling, did do a '70s version where a long haired dude dies in a car crash and ends up in a nice "pad" that has a HUGE stack of records that can't be shut off...all classical...and an irate maid that appears and vanishes anytime he makes a mess, always berating him... not quite the same idea but the joke is he will quickly go crazy because he's in Hell.
One of the best episode ever i have many favorites but this one show you what happens when you live life bad and proves the point of you reap what you sow
Larry Blyden and Sebastian Cabot are superb in this teleplay. Their entirely credible performances (with a great script, of course) make this episode so memorable and chilling.
"MR. FRENCH"! 🥰 "It don't make sense, goin' to Heaven with the goodie-goodies; dressed in white, I like black Timbs and black hoodies." -The Notorious BIG
Serling made a similar episode for "Night Gallery," where John Astin (as a hippie) ends up in a room where all of the music is by Lawrence Welk, the wallpaper is "quaint," and then has to sit through a married couple's slide show of their vacation. It is his version of Hell.
Let's put what is happening to Rocky in perspective. This is the equivalent of being forced to eat ONLY your favorite foods and drink ONLY your favorite drinks. You might enjoy your favorite foods and drinks for like a month before you eventually start to get tired of them. You would start to crave other foods and drinks too, but find you are stuck with only your favorite foods and drinks for all eternity. :/
Rocky can technically change anything he wants to, remember the part about Pip arranging for him to lose every so often... so he could eat something else or move on to other activities if he wanted to.
The fact that he wasn’t allowed to see his friends gave it away. If he had been, it wouldn’t have been a punishment, because he would have felt something actually meaningful instead of just hedonistic pleasure.
He also couldn’t leave. I think the “getting everything he ever wanted” applied to material wishes of someone superficial and possesses the shallow traits of this realm.
One of my favorite posts on here is something like, "I think I would have went crazy myself if I were Rocky. Those Props were programmed to cheer for everything he did no matter how bad it really is. He could have dropped his pants and his underwear and taken a dump right on the streets and the Props would have cheered since they were programned to do so. And Rocky knew they were programmed to cheer for everything he did. I don't think I would have liked being cheered by programmed Props for everything I did no matter how bad it truly is." Good post. :)
Rocky has been informed he can have anything he wants, so I have a proposal for Rocky. If I were in Rocky's position, I would change things up to make it a little less boring; one day, I could spend at the beach, the next at the pool, the next hiking in the mountains, the day after that chilling on my Nintendo Switch, the next day creating a website that goes viral, and so on.
I like the part where Valentine says, "I thought this was for only like school teachers and like that." And PIP says, "Oh, we have some school teachers here."
They probably have the child molesting teachers there :)
Lyndon Baines Johnson- LBJ was a teacher at one time. I think he is one teacher who would be there.
There’s probably also a couple of pedo priests there too
LOL
Where does he say that? I've watched 3 time's and didn't see it.
"This IS the other place"
So classic.
This IS the other BORING place :)
I love that laugh.
Yes
"Why should I help you? You're Hitler!"
And then "The Good Place" comes and steals this idea...
"...and you're my guardian angel, or something like that!"
Oh, something like that"
Yeah, but what was he supposed to be? A demon? Because he referred to his boss "The Devil" earlier, so he can't be the devil.
@@AnneMolly56 if there is some place similar to heaven and hell then immortal beings would likely be beyond our comprehension like on the good place.
He's likely just an immortal being doing his job and no real "devil" exists.
@@AnneMolly56 Satan. Satan is a fallen angel.
Apparently, the episode script had PIP as standing for Prisoner in Purgatory.
Not his guardian angel. His personal demon.
A scared, angry little man who never got a break. Now he has everything he’s ever wanted. And he’s going to have to live with it, for eternity, in the Twilight Zone.
TBH he got it good
Not really. To be surrounded by your favorite things 24/7 and not derive ANY pleasure from them. It would break a man…@@atterburyeagle6299
Still seems like paradise compared to the real hell
Perhaps. But for a man like Valentine, it’s a living nightmare…@@johnjeffreys6440
@@johnjeffreys6440There is no real hell… at best the bible says it’s full of sulfur and fire, so it smells
The evil laugh at the end sold it.
ruclips.net/video/r4E6ME9FnQU/видео.html
I wouldn't call him Fats anymore 😩
yup
You should hear the radio version of this episode. The laugh at the end is a laugh only the Devil can pull off.
@ef7558 Now, you made me dangerously curious.
I want to hear it, but, at the same time..
My favorite part is Pip being polite and accommodating the whole episode and then dropping the guise for the big reveal at the end.
Well, they always said the Devil will take on an appealing form....
Funny thing is.. If you pay attention Mr. Valentine’s “angel” was trying to tell him the whole time what was really going on, but Mr. Valentine kept cutting him off
Still, I’ll take that place over hell any day
@@johnjeffreys6440this is hell.
@@johnjeffreys6440 It is hell.
Best part is how Fats never technically lied to him
Yeah. He didn't tell him everything, but he didn't say anything that wasn't the truth.
He tired to break it to him easy but valentine didn't want to listen an drew his own conclusion. Fats just let him go deeper down rabbit hole making the reveal that much sweeter to him.
@@shadowfox662 True, it seemed as thought Fats was trying to tell him early on, but Valentine just kept overtalking and interrupting Fats.
@@ricktheitalianrebel6687 Like when Rocky called him his "guardian angel" and Fats just said, "Eh, something like that."
Sebastian Cabot was a hell of a actor never fully appreciated.
It’s like living it up at the “hotel California.”
“You can check out any time you like but you can never leave.”
Ooooooh man you’re right!!!! So creepy ewww
Fun fact, in the Twilight Zone ride in both Paris and Orlando, look at the book, it says that exact phrase - "You can check out any time you like, BUT you can NEVER leave!"
@@GenGamesUniverse i never noticed that. I gotta go back.
@@monicaguerra4079 theres also another one. If you go to the bit with the lettering, you will notice that there are letters missing, look down to where they have fallen and it spells out "USE THE STAIRS!!"
@monica Now that’s deep. 😳
so it's been 63 years today and Mr. Valentine is still in that room somewhere in another universe...
Satan:
"Having a hell of a time even to this moment."
This would make a good movie
He's just getting started if it's enteral
@@steelstreet79 It sort of already has in "Tales From the Hood"
You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave!
I think it's interesting that this episode, which aired in 1960, did not say the word hell..yet it still works..
+Non Sequiturs Actors and story writers were MUCH more talented than the ones today.
+MegaBojan1993 No. Humanity has a way of reaching the same heights in any generation.
welles I disagree with you.
+Non Sequiturs The weird part is, other episodes of TZ used the word "Hell". Like the one where the 6 characters were stuck in a circular tube (they turned out to be dolls). The guy in that episode says "I figured out where we are. We are in Hell".
***** I wasn't scared of that episode at all. But I did find it quite creepy. BTW that ballerina looked adorable :)
What I learned: There is no value without scarcity, there is no accomplishment without challenge and there is no freedom without risk. Welcome to paradise, get a helmet.
Very true. Powerful message. This story resonates a lot with me ive always remembered it.
Very profound statement!
I LOVE this episode, this actually pulls the viewers into the episode like Rocky had actually gone to Heaven and not the other one, but then when Pip actually says "WHAT gave you THAT idea Mr Valentine? THIS IS the other place!", we all realize that we were suckered in by Satan himself as Pip/Satan laughs maniacally at Rocky whilst he's trying to escape.
Lol
“The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist.”
@@bored1ca
The greatest trick that man ever played was convincing
the world that the devil does exits.
And the Great Pumpkin arrives every Halloween to renew
our spirit.
@@handsomeman-pm9vyOh look. Another edgy know it all who, of course, has absolute proof that the Devil, and God, do NOT exist and can show it. Right?
Right?
Of course you can't, any more than anyone can absolutely prove that they do. You keep right on with your bad self, though, pretending you're OH! so much smarter than anyone else.
@@handsomeman-pm9vyexit to where exactly?
This episode is awesome because it is designed for him personally. So if you do the same things over and over again. You will get bored fast. You don't want to live your life where you always win and now you can get anything you want. There is no drive or ambition to do anything
Which makes the concept of heaven extremely hellish, people werent meant for eternal happiness
This! What's the difference exactly? Heaven and hell seem interchangeable in this light!
Suffering is caused by desire ...
When we think of heaven, all we can imagine is having everything that makes us happy now temporarily. Perhaps its because we know that it will eventually end. If you're a Christian, being with Jesus is the only way to be happy eternally. We can't imagine heaven because we haven't gone yet. It's a different kind of happiness.
He would never see his friends.He would be alone wiyh holodeck people
This is probably one of my favorite episodes because it shows that Hell (the other place), is not always how we perceive it.
It's a million times worse.
@@thegreatelfinko "It is in the eye of the beholder."
@@thegreatelfinko Yep. Being bored because you always win at gambling will be the least of your problems if you wind up there.
Hell's far worse than any human being can even begin to imagine.
Existence is 'Hell' for a lot of people.
I love this interpretation of Hell, because in a sense it very well be what Hell is actually like. Eternal gluttony and vice, which may sound like paradise, but the torture comes from boredom of everything being predictable and not meaning anything.
The 9 circles of hell pretty much
No, he didn't lie. He didn't tell Mr. Valentine that he was in heaven even though Valentine assumed he was in heaven. He just didn't correct Valentine's mistaken impression and tell him he was actually in HELL....well, at least not right away
Better than working hard for something and having it all destroyed by someone you took care of
I wonder if women who have endless meaningless sex, feel like they're in hell.
Everyone gets what they want and deserve in the end.
I own a book entitled, "The Twilight Zone Companion". It's a great and thorough book, where the author examines each and every episode. In relating to this particular episode, the author wrote that the actor who plays "Rocky Valentine' was miscast, and over acted the role to a point of being a B movie gangster. I respectfully have to disagree. I think "both" actors played their roles perfectly. I also think that this is one of those underrated episodes which gets less than it deserves. The very end, where "Pip" laughs demonically over Valentine's horrific revelation, was chilling. One of my all-time favorites.
+LATVERIAN1 Hey, did you know that PIP means Prisoner in Purgatory. So PIP has a real chance to get out of hell after a few centuries or perhaps millenniums. But Rocky is stuck in hell for all eternity.
+LATVERIAN1 I thought Pip's actor was perfect, and yes his laugh at the end creeped me out too.
+LATVERIAN1 Rod Serling was a genius and way ahead of his time..
+LATVERIAN1 I agree with you man this episode is a classic. That laugh Pip made also creeps me out to this day and I'm 28 years old! The twist at the end even fooled me. This is one of my favorite episodes.
***** How old were you when you first saw this episode? I saw it 1-2 years ago when I downloaded all Twilight Zone episodes :)
This is the greatest ending out of the whole series.
Nope. "To Serve Man."
"the metamorphesis of going from being the ruler of a planet... to an ingredient in someone's soup" now thats rod serling
GOING MY WAY?
JETT TY FOR THE CORRECTION UR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT SKINNY GUY WAS SPOOOKY
IT'S A WORLD JUST LIKE OURS IT'S CALLED EARTH!
I knew he was in the "other place" the whole time and was wondering when the idiot would get it. I laughed right along with "fats" it was so satisfying.
Warbird Phoenix - It is pretty predictable but the heart of the twist is in his reaction when he realises that he's gonna spend the eternity in this everlasting boredom.
And the torture has only JUST begun
I enjoy The Twilight Zone but with so many of the episodes you can see the ending or the "twist" a mile away.
I love the somberness with which Pip says "Your record." Almost telling Henry where he is.
+ertznay Sebastian Cabot (Pip) voiced Sir Ector in disney's THE SWORD IN THE STONE (1963) and Bagheera the Black Panther in disney's THE JUNGLE BOOK (1967). He also narrated the Winnie the Pooh classics.
Mr. French!
Wow. I cant get past that part where PIP says " this is the other place". The look on that guy's face, the shock, the realization of where he is. That music as he has that shocked stare then, he cant open the door to get out. And then that LAUGH, something runs all the way from my lower back to my neck. I did not see this coming at all when i first saw it. It still gets to me at age 68! It still bothers me!
That music is everything!!!
Cabot took great pride in his black beard and hair and it took a lot of persuading to get him to bleach it white as it took months to grow out.
I always found him attractive in the Courtship of Eddie’s Father! I think he looks good with dark or light hair.
Cabot suffered from uncontrollable flatulence and would often have to leave the set abruptly 💨
The maniacal laugh that Pip gives when Valentine realizes where he is, is the icing on the cake.
What a great episode. It reminds me of Hollywood movie stars that are rich and famous but still puking miserably into gold toilets. Fame and wealth don’t do a thing for them.
Wow what an idiot, you missed the whole point of this episode. The point of the episode is that if you don't work, fight or suffer for something it's not worth having
grkpektis That was very rude of you to say to him. He made an innocent allegory post and you jumped down his throat. You owe him an apology.
@@nathanielwilson9067 You must be new to the internet
@@grkpektis in a way he's right. The episode is multi faceted. Bojack horseman is the perfect example of you can have everything in the world and not be happy, which this episide displays.
@@SeraphSeph A quote from a Star Trek episode:"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true".
I think it was some theologian who said= Hell is being cut off from God. Valentine has everything he wants in the world, but no spiritual connection. Thus he is in Hell.
It's not possible to be cut off from God according to the bible...
-@@MastaSmack I consider myself a Spiritual Person, not a Religious Person. I don't know the Bible that well. I think it was Aquinas or one of the other Christian Philosophers who talked about the Dark Night of the Soul and being cut off from God. Can you please give me the Reference in the Bible where it says you can't be Cut off from God.
I don't feel like looking it up, but you can google the line "if you make your bed in hell, I am there" The idea is, there is no place that God is not, or else it couldn't even exist.
It's Psalm 139 from KJV of the Bible. God is in Hell, he is in Heaven...he even says at one point in the bible that he will never leave or forsake you.
Amen
Instead of a guardian angel he met his personal demon
As a person that has watched episodes of The Twilight Zone thousands of times over the last 60 years (I'll be 70 next month) I pride myself on being able to find little things that fans of the show may not be aware of. Look closely at the cop at the end of the first casino scene. You'll realize it's Max Baer Jr., aka Jethro Bodine from The Beverly Hillbillies. He wasn't credited but I've looked at the scene closely and it's definitely him.
Serlng was like a Midas touch for actors. So many on his show later became big.
Great episode. I remember watching it the first time and it stuck with me. I love great twist endings. I assume they say "the other place" because they weren't allowed to say "hell" on TV in those days. Times sure have changed since then.
Rick Stone - but did that last line mean "of course you won't be surrounded by beautiful women in Heaven. Only in the other place does that happen"?
@Tony Montresor that is my favorite twilight zone episode...if it ain't fit for a dog it aint fit for me!
I think the other place was also reference the radio play "the other place" upon which this episode is based.
The other place sounds better
Can't be that. In the episode where everyone is trapped in the big metal pit, one of the characters outright says that they're in hell. I think you could say hell as long as it wasn't a "swear".
This episode reminds me of a lady that went onto a radio show, to talk about her NDE experience. She said she visited different planes of "reality" in one of theses places she encounter a place that was so perfect so peaceful and beautiful beyond belief she felt alarmed that she needed to leave right away because she was overwhelmed in the presence of perfection perhaps that it's what hell is like.
Explain please
@@samhank Basically, she ended up being in a Perfect place and it alarmed her and she wanted to nope out of there quickly. Basically, the place was so perfect, it creeped her out. Imagine going to a place where EVERYBODY had a creepy cult like smile. 😁 Imagine seeing this smile 500 times in a row.....
@@MarySmith-lv3mo I read a lot about NDE and I think people can be overwhelmed when they’re not used to perfection. Others have explained that’s why we are born to experience opposition on earth. With this episode, it just shows us that if you have no opposition there is no reason to be better and to help others. Perhaps there wouldn’t even be any crime. Makes me wonder when enough is enough if you have everything you ever wanted?
The first Matrix movie mentioned something like this-- to enslave humanity the machines made a VR world that was free from hunger and pain and misery-- and the humans jacked into it kept waking up because their minds rejected it
Or maybe it's all fantasy... none of it is real and there is no hell or heaven.
A place where people watch videos and write comments about the absurdity of the videos they chose to watch. This is the twilight zone....
Welcome to the Hotel California, such a lovely place...
you can check out any time you want but you can never leave
excellent comparison!! and amazing song as well!!
If I were Rocky, Hotel California would certainly be playing in "the other place".
@@fluthyhehim66
I like that song
The ultimate hell. What you loved and devoted yourself to is now used to torment you for all eternity.
@PremiumBlank: Why I've been a Cleveland Browns Superfan for 53 years! And there is NO NOTHING in or out of "The Twilight Zone" to compare with that ongoing Misery & Kielbasa Casserole!😂🤣😂🤷♂️🍫🍊🏈B.W.
THIS IS THE OTHER PLACE!
YUPP
THIS IS THE BAD PLACE
The fact that he slaughtered a puppy at only 6yo is worthy for Hell and Hell only.
Sebastian Cabot was also among voices in Disney. Sir Ector in The Sword in the Stone, Bagheera the black panther in The Jungle Book, and the narrator in the Winnie the Pooh classic shorts.
William Raih And now I will never watch Jungle Book again.
I knew I recognized his voic e
Mr. French
This episode makes a very, very important truth about humanity very clear, that you should all be fully aware of. Humans need struggle, we need adversity, we crave challenges, we need something that seems impossible to be always on the horizon that we can chase, or we'll go nuts. If humans don't have something to discover, to explore, something to fight for or against, something to conquer, something to overcome, we will be completely unhappy, eventually to the point of suicide. Look at the mice paradise experiment for proof. Work is every bit as important as play for humans. Pray that we never know it, or have built it all.
That and it's important to be grateful for what you have. Rocky is handed a paradise but is never grateful for it. He's still just as surly and angry as ever, on top of not having a tiny mind with no imagination whatsoever.
You can have ANYTHING he wants and he just settles for small crap like gambling, money, babes and robbing banks. A flying pig, a flight over rainbows, shrink down to a microscopic size and explore atoms, a parade of pink elephants. Use your brain, dude.
@@EdmacZ gambling, money, and babes could keep me entertained for a long time.
Reminds me of the Mouse Paradise experiment that fell apart
@@funkapotamus86you know, you’re right. It depends on personality which is why “the other place” is customized for each person. To Rocky this is Hell, to someone who is fine with monotony, this isn’t as bad
@@EdmacZFACTS. But this is chosen for HIM. The other place is customized to the person
"This is the other place!?" "That's right, Mr. Valentine, it's NEWARK!!!" 😈😈😈😈😈
Hell is a place like Newark "I of Newton" 1985- 1986 Twilight Zone
You might also want to add Detroit or Chicago and NYC is almost there.
Cleveland
@@lemontadams3029 “At least we’re not Detroit.”
Props to the casting! They both play off of each other so well.
3:10 Chilling. It’s more disturbing when you don’t know what he’s looking at.
The Women probably disappeared since they are props and not real women. 🤔😉
@@riverjordan2725 You’d almost think so because there’s no respond from them after he speaks to them but when you look at how he delivers the line, he’s definitely looking at them. Something about what they’re doing (or not doing) caused him to react like that.
Heaven means eternal peace. This man will never have peace.
A person who sins will live a life of misery and suffering!
Eternal life means eternal hell. If you live for ever and ever and ever what are you going to do to fill in that time! Sitting on a cloud playing a harpsichord might not seem so bad for the first ten million years but might look a very boring prospect for the next ten billion! And what about the ten trillion after that! When faced with these kind of eternal life problems non thinking Christians, as well as afterlife believers in general, just tell themselves god, or a higher force, has taken care of this!
I'd love to know how.
@@cardcounter21 God is eternal. He reveals Himself increasingly....forever. No boredom.
@@anilomd Thank you for proving my point about non thinking Christians. Try and ponder this question: If life on earth is based around staving off boredom (its a constant search for activities to fill in time to stop us getting restless) and yet even the most adventurous thrill seekers among us still cant avoid getting bored sometimes, then what magical ingredient does an eternal afterlife contain that serves up a perfect 'no boredom' meal?
Can you offer speculations (other than God's increasing revelation - what does that even mean) on how an existence of a trillion times a trillion times a trillion years would never produce one moment of boredom!
An emotionless machine, like a computer, could survive it!
if you only knew what my kindergarten teacher says about me.. ;-)
Guide:"This is the other place."
Trumpet:"Bwaah, Bwaah, Bwaah, Bwaah, Bwaah, Bwaah, Bwaah, Bwaah."
Maybe it's a Basoon.
Great episode, one of the better ones IMO. I think an important factor is mentally accepting your fate, and Valentine probably cannot do that. He'll instead go mad. Someone else in his shoes may be like ok, well this certainly beats that "burning in hellfire forever" thing I've always heard about. Even if he just relaxes, enjoys the women, etc., there's much worse ways to spend eternity. I'm curious to see what else there is in his "world," places to explore, maybe even finding some secrets.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I think it would eventually drive anyone mad tho. I heard on a RUclips video the story of a porn actor and this was a man that got paid to sleep with beautiful women! Imagine that huh? Anyway, it eventually drove him crazy because he was so desensitized to the thrill that it did nothing for him anymore. The man was contemplating suicide and he got out of the business. There’s pleasure in sin for a season. Then the bill has to be paid and so many people pay it with their sanity and even their lives. Just something to think about..that’s all I’m sayin.
@@johndardi1334 Hmmm.... good point.
@steven I agree with you as long as he can get out that door 😀
The Laughing At The End Is Priceless
That maniacal laugh at the end by his Guardian “Angel” sent shivers down my spine whenever I watched this episode as a kid.
And I would get this overwhelming sense of dread and of being trapped. Even though he was a hood who didn’t deserve anything better,
I felt bad for him.
To be stuck in Hell for Eternity. Yikes! 😱
Yeah well Rocky was not a good person. Why on earth does he deserve anywhere else but hell?
@@zoefang4563
Maybe there is no Hell and there’s nothing to fret about. Ever think of that possibility?
In Judaism, there is No Purgatory for instance.
Thing is, is that you gotta remember, Rocky wasn't that smart to begin with, when he realized he was dead, he went "So I'm in heaven!!" and Pip had a curious look on his face like "Okay, I'm gonna play along, see how long it takes him to click on" and it doesn't until the end when he gets sick of the same girls, the same drinks, same food, same winning on gambling etc and Pip just looks at him and sternly says "WHAT made you THINK this was heaven, Mr Valentine? THIS IS the OTHER place!"
@@GenGamesUniverse Yeah, he was happy at first and then he got bored. He was kind of a dim bulb.
Imagine gambling and winning all the time? That kills the whole thrill and takes the fun out of it if you know you can’t lose ever. So they ruined it for him.
But the piece de resistance was that evil laugh at the end. That really scared me as a kid. The idea that your stuck for all Eternity with this devil torturing you. Now that would be Hell. You’d want it to end at some point. But they won’t let you be. Horrible!
@@zoefang4563 There is no human being that has ever done anything to warrant eternal punishment.
One of my favorite episodes.
I noticed that pip is about to say "but" then he gets cut off
Mr. French with an evil laugh!
Must have been in Kennycutt!!
I remember reading Sebastian Cabot needed a lot of convincing to get his hair fully bleached, but they were able to get him by saying how critical it was for him to have an angelic appearance with white hair and a white suit.
He'll give Buffy and Jody nightmares with that laugh
If James Avery were still alive, he'd be perfect in the role of Pip.
YES! RIP to Uncle Phil, but Absolutely he’d be a great cast for a remake of this
"In time you may discover that Having is not so pleasing a thing as Wanting. It is not logical, but most times it is true."
"One must choose in life between boredom and suffering." Madame de Stael
and yet sometimes suffering is chosen for you anyway
One of my greatest fears is immortality, and I can't say for sure but I think watching this episode as a kid may have helped solidify that.
I used to have this seemingly never ending fear of am eternity of nothing, but I'm aware of it forever! I think it's whatever you want it to be, like your own private existence in immortality, what you choose to experience etc. basically is what you deserve I guess, maybe the afterlife isn't perfect either?!
Great story and acting. Larry Blyden(Rocky) went on to other projects (including another guest role on "TZ" and a stint as a game show host) before his untimely death after a car crash in 1975.
I think this is a pretty solid episode, one that I enjoyed a lot. As happens in The Twilight Zone, some episode endings are pretty much telegraphed and you know what the ending is going to be. Regardless, even though I figured out the episode’s “twist”, it didn’t take away from the enjoyment of this story!
Larry Blyden met a tragic early end. He was vacationing alone in Morocco when he was killed in a car accident. Accounts differ about the circumstances. Some have claimed that it was a carjacking and that he was left for dead by the perpetrators. The official account makes it sound more like was alone in the car and merely went off the road
I'm surprised that no one mentioned that Mr. Valentine stopped wearing the flashy suit and was now wearing a poor man's white shirt, suspenders, Black corduroy pants. In 1960 this was the equivalent of T shirt and shorts that everyday people wear. That was a clue he was so over his flashy, fun, glamorous and materialistic "Heaven." :)
This is my favorite Twilight Zone Episode, Aired in April of 1960!
"Sometimes God punishes you by giving you whatever you want" - Mike Tyson.
The Pipster was hilarious as he began laughing his ass off upon Val's terror knowing that the truth was out of the bag.
Mr Valentine..
This is the other place!!
👹👹👹👹
Quite possibly the best Twilight Zone episode ever, and that's saying a lot! BTW Larry Blyden and Sebastian Cabot were ideal actors for this lesson.
Your own weaknesses and guilt become your punishment. I like that.
My favorite episode in all of The Twilight Zone 🤣
A scared little man who never caught a break. And now he has everything he’s ever wanted and he’s going to have to live with it for eternity. In the Twilight Zone.
Just started watching the series and this is definitely one of my favorites so far the ending was soo sinister lol I’m still laughing lol
Sebastian Cabot! Such a great voice
Sebastian cabbot plays a good devil.
A private hell of eternal boredom
You know Valentine could’ve easily laid out a whole plan to orchestrate loosing at times for a while, then have Pip erase his memory of him laying out the whole plan, that way it still resembled his life before.
Ironically, this is just what happened in *The Good Place.* And the demons in that series strangely don't seem to realise they got a good thing going with the memory erasures.
Sebastian Cabot made a surprisingly CREEPY villian!!
Strange as I never saw Pip as the villain of the story. The villain is Rocky, a man who, as is records show, has no redeeming features whatsoever. Eve at the end he shows no remorse for his crimes, only annoyed that he can't commit them with some semblence of a gamble so he can feel like he beat the odds. He is in Hell for the bad man that he is, Pip is merely part of the elaborate trap used for Rocky to pretty much punish himself.
The ultimate, most horrific form Hell can take: becoming a Mary Sue.
Fats saved the best for last. He's probably done that to many souls condemned to "the other place." That's his only enjoyment; being accommodating to them, until the last minute.
Larry Blyden(who plays Rocky) died of injuries sustained in a car crash in 1975.
This episode shows exactly why the original Twilight Zone was a FANTASTIC show.
Sebastian Cabot was such an underrated actor.
It makes you wonder what Heaven is like. I for one perceive it as a place where you want for nothing because you it makes you feel peaceful and calm.
A place free of desire, where you feel satisfied and content.
@@mikeyunovapix7181 My point, exactly.
I remembered this as a kid and it scared the crap out of me. I don't remember them visiting his records though that was pretty insightful for the 50's. Now with all this new age material thats out there it reminds me of the Akashic records.
+Ted Cantu
it's fun to think these scared us as kids..I was scared of many of these as a kid when they played on Saturday night re runs
Ted Cantu Nice to know I wasn't the only one scared of this show! This episode scares me because of the message at the end.
Yes, that ending is freaky.... I don't even watch these anymore as an.adult because it bothers me days afterwards.
Ted Cantu Makes me wonder what exactly happened next after he said "This Is the Other Place." Then again I don't think I would like to know...
This haunted me the first time . Im glad its on here for other people to watch but I don't know if I could see this again. Its very haunting.
Those two have a Torrence and Grady vibe going on
The great Sebastian Cabot playing the demonic Mr. Pip.
My favorite TZ episode of all. God. Damn. Time.
Goes to show that getting everything you want isn't always good for you. Take the good with the bad.
Mickey Rooney was intended for the 'Valentine' part but wasn't available, nor was Rod Serling, so they chose Cabot (who had to take weeks getting the white dye out of his hair).
R.I.P. Larry Blyden (1925-1975) (Henry Francis "Rocky" Valentine) and Sebastian Cabot (1918-1977) (Mr. Pip) (1918-1977).
That laugh at the end gives me the chills 💀💀💀💀
Shit got real when that door got stuck!
I can hardly wait 'till they remake this classic episode-I never get bored of it!!!
+anothony peterson Neither do I!
There were some remakes that was done in the 80's -90's episodes...Such as ' Monster are due at maple street '...and ' A game of pool '..just to name a few...I've watched them, and in my opinion the original are STILL the best..
That Statement is rather ironic with this episode.
The 1970's show NIGHT GALLERY, with Mr. Serling, did do a '70s version where a long haired dude dies in a car crash and ends up in a nice "pad" that has a HUGE stack of records that can't be shut off...all classical...and an irate maid that appears and vanishes anytime he makes a mess, always berating him... not quite the same idea but the joke is he will quickly go crazy because he's in Hell.
@@felipecardoza5829Gonna have to check that episode out. Thanks. Rod Serling was truly a remarkable man.
One of the best episode ever i have many favorites but this one show you what happens when you live life bad and proves the point of you reap what you sow
Larry Blyden and Sebastian Cabot are superb in this teleplay. Their entirely credible performances (with a great script, of course) make this episode so memorable and chilling.
One of my favorite episodes. I love me some Twilight Zone ❤
great episode! the very things man craves and abuses in life is his for all eternity!
"MR. FRENCH"! 🥰
"It don't make sense, goin' to Heaven with the goodie-goodies;
dressed in white, I like black Timbs and black hoodies."
-The Notorious BIG
Serling made a similar episode for "Night Gallery," where John Astin (as a hippie) ends up in a room where all of the music is by Lawrence Welk, the wallpaper is "quaint," and then has to sit through a married couple's slide show of their vacation. It is his version of Hell.
It’s like living with crippling depression but it will never end.
Let's put what is happening to Rocky in perspective. This is the equivalent of being forced to eat ONLY your favorite foods and drink ONLY your favorite drinks. You might enjoy your favorite foods and drinks for like a month before you eventually start to get tired of them. You would start to crave other foods and drinks too, but find you are stuck with only your favorite foods and drinks for all eternity. :/
Rocky can technically change anything he wants to, remember the part about Pip arranging for him to lose every so often... so he could eat something else or move on to other activities if he wanted to.
The fact that he wasn’t allowed to see his friends gave it away. If he had been, it wouldn’t have been a punishment, because he would have felt something actually meaningful instead of just hedonistic pleasure.
One of the best classic episode next to The Howling Man
Sebastian Cabot has the perfect laugh.
Rocky already did not get everything he wanted. He wished to see his old friends from life and couldn't!
Good point
He also couldn’t leave. I think the “getting everything he ever wanted” applied to material wishes of someone superficial and possesses the shallow traits of this realm.
One of my favorite posts on here is something like, "I think I would have went crazy myself if I were Rocky. Those Props were programmed to cheer for everything he did no matter how bad it really is. He could have dropped his pants and his underwear and taken a dump right on the streets and the Props would have cheered since they were programned to do so. And Rocky knew they were programmed to cheer for everything he did. I don't think I would have liked being cheered by programmed Props for everything I did no matter how bad it truly is." Good post. :)
Sebastian Cabot got such a wonderful laugh out of Valentine's realization that he was trapped in a hell of his own making.
"Like Eddie Valentine" "The guy from Philly? With the polio leg and built up shoe?"
Rocky has been informed he can have anything he wants, so I have a proposal for Rocky.
If I were in Rocky's position, I would change things up to make it a little less boring; one day, I could spend at the beach, the next at the pool, the next hiking in the mountains, the day after that chilling on my Nintendo Switch, the next day creating a website that goes viral, and so on.
If its eternity than over time you're ideas gonna end
@@Ihateyoutubeupdates And the devil can be patient