High Mileage BMW F10 M5 Fears (S63B44TU)
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2016
- People cower away from higher mileage M cars, and they shouldn't. The 2011 to 2016 f10 M5 with the S63B44TU is impressive and very durable. It's also found in the M6, X6M and X5M
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Hey man, I'm a BMW tech at Global Imports BMW in Atlanta GA and today I worked on a 2010 Dinan F10 M5 with 231,354 miles on it and I thought about your video so I went and look at the vehicle history and the biggest repair he had was a High Pressure Fuel Pump that went bad at 190k miles and fuel level sensor around 222k miles. Beside that just all maintenance in the history.....👍🏿
nice, thx for sharing that.
Corson Fleurimond thank you as well from me! :)
Corson Fleurimond As far as I can tell the F10 M5 is several orders of magnitude more reliable than the E60 M5...tempted to replace mine with one of these someday but I don't want to give up the V10.
They didn't have a F10 M5 in 2010
bmwdinan5 I didn't say there was...first F10 M5s in the US hit the ground in early fall 2012 as 2013 models.
I have an E39 M5 production year 2003 March. Currently it has 245,000 miles and it runs like a champ.
SS was your rod bearings and timing chain ever fail or changed. Very interesting urs holding up so well.
Thanks for the videos! I am buying an F10 within the next couple weeks. You've been a HUGE help. I cannot wait...
Please keep up the videos! Really like your channel
Thx brother
Another M enthusiast. Sub earned.
You gave me a lot more confidence to get an x5 m 👍🏼❤️
I just got my first 5 series after I got my x3 , thanks for always telling us to evolve
Just clocked 65000km last week. Fully stock except with K&N Air Filters, RPI Air Scoops and Akrapovic Exos. The only time it got towed away/ failed me was around 3 months ago, did a full throttle out of the toll and the car started jerking before smoking all around. Towed it back to the dealer and found out faulty injectors .
BMW. Change oil before the mileage they claim. Dont push car till temperature.
U got yourself a bmw who can EASILY do 300.000 KM.
I had a friend with a e60 m5 with 300k km with the same engine. Car was imaculate inside and outside. Even the common faults only appeared wayy further than it's normal. 85% highway at normal speeds, 10% just joyful b-road corners, rest city and local traffic.
@@MMN403 do you own one?
@@cutdepiefails6596 my boy a e60 m5 ain’t the same motor 😭
Adding my two cents to an old thread. Own 2013 BMW F10 M5 owned since 60,000 miles. I have just rolled over 85,000 miles. I maintain this car myself, but also carry a complete bumper to bumper 100,000 mile warranty on it. I have yet to use this warranty. I change the oil early at about 3,500-4,000 miles. I change the air filters, dif oil, and top off any fluid that is needed at this point. I have cat-less downpipes and a stage one MHD (warranty approved with this).
Problems I have encountered: Coolant hose leaks here and there. I repair these as needed and have tried to replace any that are easily accessible as I find ones leaking. - Battery drain issue which was due to comfort access handle malfunction. - Adaptive headlight motor went bad and replaced. - Remote control for rear entertainment system quit syncing. Now I just load some videos on a flash drive if the car is taking passengers on a lengthy trip so I have not fixed that or intend to. I have put a new set of Michelin Pilot Sports on it due to normal wear.
Oil analysis came back from my oil change at 84,000 miles. Report says my engine is above average for engines of this mileage and they dont suspect any issues that are current and my air and oil filtration are doing excellent job to help this along. Things go bad and they are sometimes expensive but owning this car and being able to drive it how I like to drive it are worth it. This vehicle can be a labor of love or a nightmare if you shrug off little things that go wrong with it. They will pile up quick and make your pocket book hurt if not handled. Hope this helps. Good video!
First off, I'm a BMW guy (own an F10 530d) and have been researching upgrading to an F10 M5, so know that I'm not some random hater. That being said, I have to comment, as you're deeply misleading your audience. You praise the M5's engine the entire video, but use no meaningful data to reinforce anything your praise. From the research I've done trolling through the forums, the S63 engine is FAR from reliable. There are multiple ways it decides to grenade itself- typically through faulty fuel injectors that seize the engine, or through the VERY well documented rod bearing failure. Both of these often require an entirely new engine in most cases. This has happened to people who have driven the piss out of their cars and who have babied their cars. If one of these hasn't been maintained impeccably, then run the other way. If you find one that has been maintained (at about twice that of what BMW says), then at least there's a change the engine will be alright for a while, but you're still rolling the dice. I want this car so badly, but I'm not sure I can get past the chronic reliability issues of this car.
I've found that the engineering is good enough (tolerances etc) that BMWs will last a long time - I think the key is avoiding the first 2 - 3 years of the new models (like for any car) so that all of those new car issues get identified and fixed. There are quite a number of BMW forums on the net and it is straight forward to find out what the typical issues have turned out to be.
I prefer BMWs with a bit of miles (and time) on them, if I know the maintenance history - for peace of mind. Garage queens and "Lady-driven" cars can be death. The former just doesn't get up to temperature long enough. One can get fuel in the oil, and ethanol is death for engines over the long term (I only use Shell or Esso 91 octane which don't have ethanol). The latter never do the proper maintenance and oil changes are few and far between.
I have a 1998 528i with 116K miles (American car) which is about 185K km; a 2000 540i with about 145K km; a 2006 530xi with about 157K km; and a 2006 M5 with about 106K km.
I've been studying some cars. The Gt350R seems to have a problem with oil burning etc. These M engines seem to have some problems also with some of them. Could it be that some new buyers are not following the break in procedure properly and piston rings etc are not seated properly? I am thinking of a X6M or X5M. I have an E90 M3 and replaced the bearing. Keeping it, too much fun with cutouts. Also considering the E63 AMG wagon. But, it too has some issues, rod connectors weak?
My M5 F10 has 162.500 miles over 2.5 years cruising in the Netherlands and Germany.
Still runs strong?
Entrepreneurs in Cars Yes verry well every 32.000 miles to the dealer for maintenance.
dam
Now only 20.000€ worth with this mileage:-(((
WOW impressive
If I heard that correct and you said 10L/100km, that is a VERY good fuel mileage considering...
Every BMW I've owned was bought from a dealer, usually two years old with roughly 25K to 40K kilometers, and still covered by factory warranty. Now, I'm asking the dealer to find me a two year old, low millage M5 within the dealer network. One thing that concerns me is the oil burning reputations these cars have due to the engine heat drying up the valve stem seals. The turbos and the cats are on top of the engine and the heat is the culprit. I wonder if BMW engineers are addressing this issue? Do you have any input on this matter?
great video, just bought myself a CPO m5 here in the gta! how has the after sales service been with a CPO BMW? have you had any issues
My 2014 M6 Gran Coupe Competition Package with Dinantronic Stage 1 has 33,400 miles with no issues at all. The S63 TU is a very good motor. You’re differently correct about the power used at low rpm.... I’ve own many M’s car in the pass, and they all last over 100k issue free...
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How many miles is on it now ? All good ?
Cool Video! I love the F10's. My friend just put on 319,000KM on a 2006 BMW E60 M5 (V10) and it's still running! I have a video of it on my channel.
Great videos! Love the M5
We got our 2013 M5 2nd hand, had 25,000 miles on it and as of writing this has just under 71,000 miles. I had fuel pump issues around 55,000 to 60,000 miles but when we got then replaced it runs like new.
My uncle bought the BMW F10 520D M-Sports at 20,000 miles and now it has 178,000 miles and trust me it's still running sooo smooth and comfortable and you're not gonna believe this apart from regular services and tyre changes it hasn't had any issue with it..... I'd say most important this is to ensure that the used car has full service history but if it has dealer approved service history record then you're in the good ...... I personally want to buy a M5 and wanna start a RUclips channel on how I'll maintain and how I'll mod it ....from UK btw
john here people forget that these engines are rated for unlimited mileage with maintenance AND no more than 10-20% power boost over stock. i travelled in africa where i saw 2 million kms german 180-200 series dumped there from europe. and yes hundreds of thousands kms e3x BMWs running with piss poor fuel in africa..
about the same price and mileage, what do you chose at this point?
2015+ F80 M3 vs 2014+ M5
Great vid, subbed :)
Man, I love this car
Should I be scared of a high mileage e92? Starting a new job soon and realised they are silly cheap for what they are over here in the UK. Obviously needs to have been well maintained etc but aside from that? Love the vids man, helped me a ton with all your content so far. Should have a lot more subs than you do!
Please share vids, it helps grow the community. The s65 goes a long time if its well maintained, watch my video, and read the comments, many people are driving 200,000 mile M3s
Entrepreneurs in Cars I have an E39 M5, with a 205,000 miles 👍
Entrepreneurs in Cars a*
Thank you. I'm looking at these and i have a mobile massage business. I wouldn't do 40k miles a year in a F10 M5 but I'd do several home visits.
How was driving this thing in the Canadian winter? Some good winter tires enough?
Thank you for your input on mileage as I'm looking at the different M5s with higher mileage.
1. How is it on MPG when you are not beating on it and have the tune set to 700hp?
2. As compared to a stock RS6 or stock AMG E63, would you still prefer the stock F10 M5?
1. I can set the car to 560hp or 693hp, either way MPG is the same when not beating on it
2. I've only driven the E63 AMG wagon (see channel for vid) and still prefer the M5, although the wagon space is a nice touch.
Are you planning on sending an oil sample from your S63TU to the black stone labs? I think it would give you a good idea about these engines. I would also like to see a picture of oil and gunk build up in the valves since N54 and N55 have thus same problem. Thanks for awesome videos by the way.
Yes, next oil change,, results will be shared.
Entrepreneurs in Cars results?
Should I be afraid if it has an accident report plus high mileage? What should I do then?
I'm looking at a 2012 F10 M5 with 83K kms.Any common issues I should worry about? I've seen a few people say to stick to 2014-2016 models and avoid pre2013 is that true?
I want to buy the f10 M its on 180dkm what need i check for this car please advise...
Do u encounter drivetrain errors / drive moderately
Are you running 20" or 21" wheels?
thinking of going for a 2013 m5 with 80k miles for 26k is that a deal or no deal ?
Hello bratha from anatha.
What are your thoughts on a used F10 M5, 2013 or 2014 with 6spd manual transmission? Can you recommend a auto warranty, looking for the best bumper to bumper warranty.
Thanks,
Have owned this engine in a '15 M5. I purchased it last year when it had just a spec over the 50k miles (BMW extended would no longer be an option). As such, GREAT deal on price, for so much car. Best idea ever, and I'm usually not a risk taker. Warranty businesses are out to make money and not save you. The big bonus with this engine/car is that this video is spot on. Its' a rock solid car , very few people are reporting any issues.
Great video
Really awesome, just found your channel Entrepreneurs in Cars. Any view on the pre versus post facelift cars? There are some good older very well specced (BMW UK / Launch cars) available or for a few K more, 2013 onwards ... .any views?
Mines a 2012, love it to bits, facelifts are overrated
Thanks. Im trying to get the details of the facelift, specifically related to anything that improves reliability. Not too fussed about the cosmetic stuff. Does anyone have a list or similar?
Charl Tintinger mechanicals are the same, it's only cosmetic. IE steering wheel was changed etc
Great, thanks for confirming.
im gonna get the car soon , what u think ?
Hi I'm thinking about getting a cpo 2015 M5, if you did go to the dealership for the annual service, how much was it from the 1st service to your recent?
I've not needed an annual service yet, but oil changes cost less then my old M3. Great car, CPO offers good piece of mind too.
I like this channel
Hi i am looking to buy 2013 bmw m5 f10 lci with 80,000km it has full service history should i buy it?
I completely agree with you, S63TU is a beast!!
Hard to fault the s65, but this is a whole new level
Hey, how many kms/miles you have now?
These are high speed autobahn cruisers
2014 f10 m5, 19k miles. Zero issues. Same for my n54 335i, no issues! Why? Because I keep on top of the maintenance and that way I can enjoy my automobiles.
U drive 19k miles😂 that’s not even enough to ever have a problem
how reliable is german machine or japanese?
When you make outside videos??
How did you get 700hp?
You're going to catch up to me. My 05 m3 has 79k
My f10 m5 has rattles from the dashboard even i touch the throttle lightly and is very audible when cold i cant seem to find the issue tho but over all loving it. It has 70000 miles when i bought it and its now at 70648 miles i drive it through the canyons almost every weekend pretty hard idk if dats causing the problem
I had the same issues at 25k mi on odometer, 2 years in my ownership. It was the wires behind the dashboard tapping against the side walls. The dealer used the Velcro to tie up the wires for no charge under the warranty.
Rod bearings sat 70000 miles on the forums are a repair problem that’s costly,
Love your videos man! I'm in an e46 330xi right now but I'd love to own an M5 someday. I'm partial to the e39 and e60s though 😜. Anyways thanks for the car stuff and life advice. Keep it up!
Thx
So have you done an intake walnut blasting yet? It is an engine out item.
bro how is the mpg or l/100km? And is 100k miles or 160k km alot?
I really want to buy one of these, but I don't want to make a bad financial decision. I found some in my area under 60k used. How much money do you think someone should be making before they consider financing a used M5?
Never finance a used M car. Pay cash, and have cash for repairs. You need to pay to play.
young 95 Depends on how many miles, what year, and if it's a CPO. And most importantly, your budget. Always leave room for the unexpected. I don't necessarily agree with the "pay all cash" advice since it's unrealistic for most people. Live and learn is a more realistic motto :D. Good luck!
I drive mine. 35-40k kms / yr. Engines like to run. No issues. I would agree with this video conclusions with one exception. Don’t modify or tune them.
I'm thinking about a 2014 M5 but as a daily in northern Alberta , though it's not quite practical with the winters . The newer bodied X5 D is what I'm looking at now but summers the M5 would be the first choice .
ShaftDrive did you put on proper snow tires?
Well, some higher mileage M cars (that aren't the focus of the video) can be risky. I REALLY want a E63 M6, but... yeah
Hello! My x6m 2015 have 235.000km!!!! Is like new engine and gearbox, what do you think? Engine changed?
My homie just traded his 2012 X5M with 110k miles on it for a 2022 X5M. He beat the hell out of it all the time, he did have to replace the transmission however.
The M5 is a great ride. The car feels heavy but will launch you in the next time zone in a flash. The interior noise is loud. You will hear every road defect. The main issue is dealer service pricing. The last dealer visit the service guy was telling an owner that they can charge multiple credit cards. If you don't have deep pockets, keep away from any BMW. That is why there are so many 3rd party service organizations that can do the service far cheaper. Many dealers will also push out what can be serviced as meeting BMW specs so that repairs when they are really needed are done out of warranty. That is one of their tricks to reducing overhead, especially when they sell so many of the lower priced models.
I do not drive F10 M5 but I do drive F10 550i
Love driving it
loll "high mileage ". it's barely broken in
If you have a BMW with a S63B44TU, please comment below and tell us how many miles/km are on it, and how reliable it's been.
M5 bought with 65.000KM in 2015, now 125.000KM (2017).
No issues with proper maintenance!
Marco Zours you must of drove every single day for hours
Picked up my 2014 M5 with +-49,000 km's 3 weeks ago from a local BMW dealer. Your review definitely put my mind at ease a lot more about the mileage. Car still drives like new!
M5 f10 st2, at 45k km piston burst in the 8th cilinder. Now its 61k km and i have strange sound, suppose that the flywheel is going to die soon.
I'm tryna buy a 2011 528i but it has 125,000 miles (201,168 km) do you think that is a lot and do u think it would be reliable?
I'm looking at a 99 540i with 180,000 miles. Is that to much ?
Alexander Contreras Alex I have a 150k 540i for sale let me know if your interested
Its made for german Autobahn !
do you feel the same way about \m3's with high mileage?
alexander guingab if they are well cared for, yup
Did you upgrade the dct clutch? I've been doing some research. Some people claim that the DCT will only hold up to around 625-650 trq. What's your take on this?
the Dinan tune only has 650trq. Either way it has a CPO warranty so I'm not bothered
Digging the videos. Just doing my homework on these F10 M5's. I currently own a second generation CTS-V. I love it but want to own a twin turbo car for a chance. I never realized these cars were this fast and easy to modify with a simple tune and exhaust and bam your at 700 hp.
Hi looking to buy a f10 m5 late 2013 model with 45,000 miles any think i should be aware or concerned off ?
Get a pre purchase inspection, it will reveal all.
Search the forums but youll most likely feel if anythings off like clutch slippin or how warn are rotors(not that cheap to replace). Tires will affect price too a set of rears can be well over 1k cad (can find deals tho and itd prob run u about 700 but hopefully it helps drop a price). Solid cars but like he said ppi will help u discover a lot of which u cant see or feel from a test drive.
Entrepreneurs in Cars didnt for thr guy i sold my e46 to😂 to be fair though i cleared all codes before for everything possible and cleaned underside of oil(was a stupid small leak cuz of faulty design) and dirt so it was mint.
700 hp? 552 from factory. It does about 600hp at the wheels when dyno stock
That error chime at 1:40 though
Yeah lmao. Probably ran into some problem when he accelerated too hard there. Even though that was not that hard but with these high mileage BMWs, there are definitely bound to be some nasty surprises long term.
That the fucking speed limit monitor the owner sets.....my bmw has the same.....
Do your m5 f10 burning oil? My car need a litter of oil every 2000/3000kms.......
Rarely.
easonw36
It is normal ! Mine also all 3000kms one litre.
And this M5 in video here needs surely every 500km one liter ! ! !
Mine loves to eat pavement, drink gas/oil
Thinking about to get a comp pack with 120k (km) 74k miles
Did you get it ?! What are your overall thoughts? Reliability? Drivability ?
I dont know why im hating though good video
My e39 540 has the original 4.4L v8 at just over 120,000 miles and she still runs like new!
what year?
She is a 2000!
My 2000 540ia has 165.000 miles and runs like new lol. Such a smooth beast
'02 540i here with 190,000 miles. Been expensive but super reliable. Timing chain guides, VANOS, and the usual cooling components was the only out of the box maintenance. If you stay on top of it, they're fantastic. If you can't afford to apprehend these problems and don't like to be involved with a vehicle in all aspects, BMW is the wrong brand lol.
120 000 miles is a lot for a German car.
200k is only 124k miles in imperial. That's just the starting of that cars life :) I have 248k (~400 km) on my E36. I maintain her well and in return she treats me well.
Any issues with the engine? What size is it? 400,000 km is quite an achievement!
I've only put 50,000 km on it. Only things that "needed" to be done was the usual BMW coolant upkeep, brakes, oil changes, and a crank position sensor. It's a M52 in a 328is (daily driver).
also m cars are built with parts that are made to take punishment, and lets be honest most people will not take them to the tracks. Even if people like pushing it on the highway it can take that easy. Also dont get the a M car if you dont have to money to maintain or put repairs as needed.
193k miles on 2012 M5
Does it throw rod bearings like the M3 v8?
No if you change them after 32000 miles, I drive my F10 M5 every week on the Nürburgring Germany.
Rafal Buijs so you have to change them often? That's nuts. I'll stick with my turbo 5 cylinder Volvo. Fast and bullet proof, fast enough that is
Pretty sure you don't have to.
Mecheng is that a common problem? around what mileage does it Happen? what activates it, and how do you prevent it?
Just bad design, and sometimes BMW advises the wrong oil for their engines. You can't prevent it, other than putting stronger bearings in.
36000 miles engine knocking and smoke. Timing chain issues
Mariusz Majewski I had a 2014 Bmw 528i with 34,000 miles. Timing chain came up apart \._./ thank god for warranty
S63 engines especially the 2009-2011's had major issues. They ALL will have leaky valve stem seals by 110K miles, they get HEAVY carbon build up, which requires pulling the engine to do walnut blasting. Look up the BMW Customer Care package.
Yeah the S63 and N63 are great motors WHEN they work but they're a mess of a motor. Heavy oil consumption (which is one part of the nasty carbon buildup issue), excess heat building up in the V of the motor because of the turbos being shoved in there along with reverse flow manifolds and plastic everything with regards to hoses and cooling parts. All that stuff goes brittle over time and it's hell to diagnose and fix. Some people install 90C thermostats in them to prevent heat related issues but still that's not enough.
I had an X6M a month ago that had 7 different coolant leaks. Water pump, thermostat, turbo inlet/outlet pipes, radiator. 7 Fucking coolant leaks.
LexLuger I wanted to upgrade my MB C300 to a BMW 550i but good thing I did a fair bit of reading because I may have avoided a nightmare. That motor just pulls so smooth and the car is very satisfying to drive but there needs to be an element of reliability. Heck, the MB M278 V8 doesn't have any major issues at all so why BMW can't figure it out is beyond me. Did coolant leak onto the exhaust causing a smell BTW?
It didn't on the X6M, but I have a 2011 550Xi at my shop right now that is leaking so much coolant into the turbo valley its dripping down the back and burning off.
Getting my m5 f10 soon
Same ! September 2021... deciding between this or an f06 m6 gran coupe competition
130000 MILES. DAILY DRIVER.
Their designed to eat up the autobahn, so long drives are its natural habit.
what was the BMW v8 that had the rod bearing issue with the to tight tolerances n would spin bearings ?????? any one know i fergot ?
I think that’s the E92 M3 motor the s65 4.0
I have one 2013 BMW M5 That has 120,000 Miles
What issues have you had with your M5?
OmarZooka 99 you sale ?
Im not agree with you 100%:) I don't use my car in Winter season and my car is 2013 f13 m6 With 67.000 km and I never had any issue with it .Even when the car is standing 6 month every year in warm garage during winter
So I know it's not so bad to buy car with low mileage :)
you telling everyone BS i would rather take LOW MILAGE then 9k km then 70k km ...... just use your brain guys its all about engine hours and maintenance....
blasphemy...comparing a BMW M5 with a shit lexus
700 horsepower? Have you been smoking crack? You mean 553 bhp 😂👈🏻
101 999 more than likely he has an aftermarket tune and exhaust.
101 999 he def has an Dinan tuned M5
It is definitely 100% not stock 😂
Stock thry have around 598 to 602 with simple mild tune you get it to 700 how is he smoking crack?
too bad the s62 sounds 100000 times better
Do u encounter drivetrain errors / drive moderately