BMW E60 M5 Reliability vs BMW F10 M5 Reliability
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2018
- BMW E60 M5 vs F10 Reliability Issues - Consumer Review
In today's video, we're going to talk about the BMW E60 M5 vs. the BMW F10 M5 and we're going to talk about specific reliability issues. These are consistent problems and issues owners are finding with these cars. The BMW F10 M5 reliability issues are sometimes similar to the BMW E60 M5 reliability issues, but that all depends.
First up, I do a comparison of oil consumption on the F10 M5 to the E60 M5. Both of these cars can be known to consume a lot of oil. Upwards of a quart per 1000 miles. The BMW E60 M5 oil consumption can be just as bad, and most of this is related to how the car was broken in.
The BMW F10 M5 has an overheating issue related to the electric water pump. They can fail and then drive your F10 into a number of overheating issues. The BMW E60 M5 doesn't seem to have this issue as often.
The BMW F10 M5 has a DTM failure, or a drivetrain failure issue. Often times this is as a result of hard driving and inadequate fuel injector support for the horsepower requirements. Again, the E60 doesn't have this DTM failure code, though it does have idle and throttle actuator error codes.
The F10 DCT Transmission vs the E60 SMG III transmission can be quite the debate. The BMW DCT vs SMG can be often broken down by calling the DCT agressive while the SMG can be known as sluggish (unless you use better settings). Either way, there are a few issues where owners feel that the DCT can be too aggressive in the higher settings.
Both the BMW E60 M5 and the BMW F10 M5 have a mechanical issue related to rattling. Sometimes these come from the VANOS. If oil starts to leak as well, this can produce rattling in these cars' engines.
There's also an issue where the F10 M5 rattles. These issues have been attributed to hard driving that's worn out some of the softer, stickier tires just a little bit. This issue can still occur after a number of realignments and other work.
All in all, the two cars compare pretty similarly. The F10 M5 reliability and the E60 M5 reliability are often the same because the two cars are very similar.
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This guy is nuts for thinking the E60 M5 is more reliable than the F10 M5 Lol
@@migsy1717 he said the guy was wrong for thinking the f10 is better. he didnt say the e60 was better lmao.
I’d rather have a na engine then deal with the turbos later in a cars life
@@anthonyk you are a silly goose then.
@@Eidrian111 you have to deal with both on the newer v8 turbo engines turbos and bearing failure
@@anthonyk I prefer to upgrade my turbos to the ones from Pure than wasting lots of time and money fixing all of the time that v10 and smg box
As backwards. BMWs use tighter tolerances, and people do not change their oil every 5000 miles, use cheap oil, and.or do not warm up their car before redlining. THAT is why they have issues. Maintain the car, take care of it, NEVER race it when cold, and it will last 300k miles easy. Problem is, BMWs are so fun to drive, it takes tremendous willpower to not redline it when cold. Also, the E60 is not even close to the F10 in reliability, Not even the same category.
Thanks for sharing
👌😎Great job on the info bro. You Precisely covered all major issues except mentioning valve cover gasket.....lol
Thanks a lot Chris. Cheers.
Very good info. Especially if you consider buying. Thanks
Thanks for watching.
Wow best video thank you
Awesome thanks ! Have a great one.
Very enlightening. I do wish you got into how difficult it is to diy or cost of repair for some of these.
There will be more content, some of which may cover this.
Strong thumbnail xD
this video makes me change my mind to E46 m3 or E92 m3
Great video but I know a lot of oil consumption (specifically the M54 6 cyl engine) is caused by the crank case ventilation system. I’ve heard this has been an issue in some non BMW V8s. This could contribute the the V10 and V8 in these M5s
Great point!
Yes they do have issues, but keep in mind this is a sport engine put on a legal car on the road. Every sport car with race oriented engine will have issues. It doesn’t mean that if you buy one, you will have them immediately. If you are a true car enthusiast, you will maintain it properly. That my thoughts on the topic. And yes I’m thinking of getting a bmw M5 f10.
I have a 55o and you covered a lot about my car the dealership didn't have a clue especially about the drivetrain i feel played
F10 M5 is definately more reliable then the E60 M5.
For sure more reliable. Not quite the same soul though. Still a great machine, I loved my drive in one.
ExoticCar PlayPlace of course it’s not the same soul because they made the f10 more reliable lol
@@ECPP I have owned my E60 M5 since 2012 and I have not had any problems aside from the regular that every other car would experience.
vibration issues on Beemers usually are.. rear carrier integral bushings and links, front radius arm bushings, bent wheels, damaged wheel bearings(check with electronic chassis ear while driving).
Thanks Jason for sharing. Cheers.
Quick question so what you mean by overheating ? is the heat caused by hot weather ? Because i am considering buying f10 after my e60 crashed in accident and in my country the weather is usually hot
F10 m5 has absolutely no issues with overheating at all.
Please tell me one BMW engine that doesn't drink oil or overheat. High revving or low revving, all BMW engines drink oil and overheat.
I know the early models of the e60 m5 has problems such as rod bearing, actuators etc etc.... I was wondering, do the later 2007/08/09 models have the same issue or were they resolved?
Most of these issues are overblown. Majority of the owners I know have not changed their SMG pumps, throttle/idle actuators, vanos solenoids, etc. The one demon that I wouldn't risk is the rod bearings. Rod bearings affects not only the s85/s65 but the s54 as well. But yeah, stuff breaks...
Simon Nim .. I was thinking on buying an 07/08 e60 but just wanted to ask .. thanks for the reply ... hshs stuff break you certainly can't do anything about it..
In the UK you can get a nice e60 saloon for around 17k and a touring which I want around 22k
I noticed the steering vibration on 4 Preowned M5’s I test drove, this made me decide to go for the M6 instead.
Thats odd Dan, maybe bad tires, collision history or other but either way the M6 is a great car. Love the Carbon roof on these.
They're literally the same car. Even use the same suspension 😂
I would like to get in the bmw market after all the good stuff I’ve heard.... looking to get my first corvette and I can’t seem to let the Chevrolet V8’s go... have owned anything different other than bmw and what’s the advantages?!?!?
Hi Andrew, I don’t blame you on hanging with the Chevs as a test drove a new Z06 and absolutely love it as well as a v6 camaro and a zl Camaro. All very cool cars but the only gm s I have owned were pick up trucks. For cars I have owned many BMWs as well as Mazda, Toyota products. I have owned 3 Porsche’ s and to be a huge frank, are some of my favourite cars due to the sporting performance focus so who knows I may go there again sometime. For now I am loving the Lambo and BMW products.
I used to be Mopar or no car until 3 years ago I drove my 1st BMW then it all changed! I now own a E46 m3 and looking into a e90 m3 or e60 m5 for a daily. They are addictive once you start! If your a mechanic like I am they are no different than owning a "Chevy" etc. Go for it!
You are really msking me reconsider buying a used f10 m5 now
They are great cars actually.
@@ECPP they are really getting affortable in western Canada but i am worried about maintenance and cost of ownership for sure. Great video
Buy 2015 and up. All the problems fixed in them.
jason applin
2015 and up are good up to 90k after 90k I don’t know because there’s not many over 90k and there’s no issues yet I’ve seen over 90k if there is any.
jason applin if you can’t work on it yourself, i’d keep lots of money saved up. I plan to get one after i pay off my current car, but i’m going to do all repairs myself since I work at a shop lol. For $40k, you can not beat the F10, best performance/luxury bargain out there imo. Most of the repairs are super easy too, its not a hard car to work on from what i’ve seen.
That f10 got some bangs tho 😂, let me hear thAt exhaust
F10 just looks basic in comparison to the E60, reminds me when Lexus had the sport back profile on the GS350 but today it looks like Camry..
I agree
now i dont know if i should buy the m5 f10. theres one for sale with 65000km on it for 49k CAD
F10 bmw m5 2016 is a beast,I destroy many porches and who ever comes to play,and its stock.best car ive had by far and ive had a few Mercedes.
F10 N5 is a beast alright, I agree.
I wouldn't call either reliable, a horse is reliable
elburritodelicioso Toyota’s are worse i owned two and they were in the shop every month. I own a bmw 528 and it’s been a lot less maintenance
@@gottgaame no
Got Game lmao stop joking 😂
Jayden W. Dead serious I haven’t had any issues with my 2013 f10. my 1999 Camry always leaked oil, the pistons blew, o2 sensors were a constant problem, brake light goes on a lot. Very unreliable
Got Game That’s only what happens when it’s not properly serviced. There’s no way a 528i is more reliable than a 99’ Camry. Coming from a mechanic who works on these cars daily.
F10 has got SGM transmission as i know...you were talking about something like DTC?....
F10 M5 has the DCT which is a Dual Clutch Transmission while the E60 M5 has the SMG.
I have 2015 M5 tuned and strange I don’t have non of those problems you went thru.
You like that car ? They put down great power, even as stock.
ExoticCar PlayPlace i love it, this torque is addictive! Mine putting down 730wtq and 700whp 0 issues very reliable. I guess it depends on how lucky you get with car and how you taking care of it, driving habits etc...
It's because they fixed everything in 2015
That's because it's tuned and for some reason when you set it to for an engine they fix all of those problems the main thing is also a tuned engine runs cooler and if you use the right oil the engine runs cooler if you put a K&N air filter in it the engine oil cooler most of those problems disappear so I think when it comes to the engine temperature in oil are the main things to keep it strong and lasting long
@@Herofmine i have a 2014 M5 with 100k miles ive owned it for 3 years normal stuff replaced plugs brakes injectors coils runs like a champ i take it on road trips and its my daily
Why are there random gunshots through the video?
North side Edmonton, that’s the norm
U didn’t even talk about the Squeaky brakes on the f10 that’s my biggest complaint
True, but good catch as this is also a common complaint. Thanks for watching
f10 brakes only squeek if you drive like a nana , drive it properly and they are quiet as
if u have ceramic brakes, that's very normal lol
Wow, this is full of bad information. Oil consumption is mostly due to heat in the "Hot vee" configuration for the s63tu/s63. If you have an older model (sub 2012) you have the really bad engine which is the s63. The TU variant fixes A LOT of issues with the engine. The "drivetrain malfunction" error is simply limp mode, which can get triggered by anything so that you don't fuck up your engine. Even bad air reading or a bad coil pack. The E60 m5 doesn't hold a candle to the f10 with the s63tu.
Klerin Hercules this man is spitting the truth ! S63 TU only is a good engine ! With oil pump recalled.
Which year F10 M5 has the S63TU?
@@coreycameron1666 2014+
They consume oil if they’ve not been run in properly.
That is always a contributor to oil consumption. Agreed.
False I think. It clearly states on the engine sticker that you need to add oil every 2.000km. The car was in other words designed to consume oil. Ofcourse, break in can have an (small) impact but to say consumption is caused by wrong engine break-in is false IMHO.
All cars consume yes some do more than others but 1qt every 1500 miles isnt terrible
Absolutely true, they all eat some oil and I have owned Porsches with similar oil consumption.
I've never had a car use oil...
Is that a 650 gram coupe at 6:32 🧐🤔
I will stick with Japanese Luxury thats waaayyy to many issues for a car that costs so much.
Japanese cars are more dependable, at the very least.
David Sanford but Japanese cars don’t have anywhere near this level of performance, so it’s apples to oranges. Unless you’re looking at a GS-F, which at that price point it brings in a lot of options
That would be luxury over luxurious performance. Might as well buy a Buick...
@@coryohanlan194 shit it's better than replacing 5 engines and 6 transmissions
David Sanford Japanese cats dependable for the shop they are nothing but plastic parts
Just bought a used 2013 BMW M5 With about 64,500 miles 🙏🏽
Fun and fast
Just bought a 2013 as well with 40k miles. Any problems yet ?
And we continue to pour our hard earned money into these vehicles because....
Makes you wonder
What province is this guy from?
AB
I own both models and had non-issue with non of them. it's all About maintenance those model's .Every year I changed oil and filter. So both of my car M6 E63 and My m6 F13 never had any problems.Never buy one with a lot of
Previous owners or non service book . Always make big resurch of service history before you consider buy and don't buy the cheapest one on internet:)
just wait
M5 F10 is better at anything than E60 and that's a fact, E60 has better sounding exhaust than F10 and that's subjective due to preferences. So the final verdict is F10 is better than E60
Thanks
Comparing the least reliable m car against the most reliable m car.
More or less but I am going to discuss the new reigning champ of reliable M cars in a video coming up later this week.
ExoticCar PlayPlace I’ve decided to go for a m6 gran coupe after much deliberation
ExoticCar PlayPlace reliable m cars where ?
Which ones which keven
The E60 is an V10; the F10 a twin turbo V8.
are we comparing these two cars? because i can tell you that F10 is better at any capitol than E60 and that's a fact. And no, sound does not count as its subjective due to personal preference.
Well now I‘m scared and definitely not gonna buy a F10 M5... 😭
They are actually pretty solid cars
I would attribute many trans problems on the f10 due to driveshaft problems that disguise themselves as transmission problems.
For example, center support bearings & driveshaft flex discs, differential bushings. All could affect drivability to the extent driver thinks it's a transmission issue when it's in the driveline
I have my eye on the E60 M5 I like the way the v10 sounds.
Best sounding BMW especially with a tuned exhaust.
Or a m6
This guy must be completely outside his mind.
Thanks
LOL he looks like a mechanic so maintenance on these cars for him probably doesnt bother him that much. to the average person these cars are a nightmare
I think this m5 is acceptable
I have an E60 M5 6 speed and it has been the most reliable car I've owned--brakes, tires, yes it burns oil but I had done NOTHING else mechanically to it. Almost flawless (minus oil topping off)
They are amazing
No wonder why the f10 m5 are so dam cheap compared to the competition E63 amgs!
Thanks for watching.
F10 m5 is far superior in every possible way.
Well….
He’s very attractive
Sounds like the F10 is just as lame as the E60. Drive hard... powertrain failure
Yeah
If your buying a 500 plus hp sports car..imagine complaining about an amazing dct transmission..if you want a softy torque converter buy a regular car lol
Both arent. There i said it. They came factory fuked.
the problem with this guy is that he's in love with his car and that's why he's going to defend it no matter what but for that reason is that he doesn't allow himself to do an honest review about BMW M5, so if he is a reviewer he should put his love for his car on the side and accept that he drives a piece of 💩 and that it, just saying and for that also I stopped following him
When you say an issue affect "a lot" of cars out there, at least do your research. A dozen cars, out of thousands of F10 M5's isn't "a lot" when you put it into perspective. This happens to cars that weren't broken in correctly, and weren't maintained correctly.