Thank You for such a great informative videos of the FE , I have learn a lot from you , I love the FE and will make use of info ,when doing my 1959 361 Edsel .This is the best videos for this engine ,many thanks ,
@@Myvintageiron7512 hello,like your videos, do you have any 1960 fe heads small chamber heads,they where like 58 cc,and do you have any 406 ford heads,can I call you and talk to you about buying some heads
Myvintageiron7512 in NASCAR in the early 80s the ford guys used a head they called the Australian head it was made in Australia and Ford Motorsports brought it into the u.s. to use and the cup cars do you know anything about it hard to find info this is before the Yates head
Charles Richardson are you talking about the Australian Cleveland head? Australia had a bunch of 351 and 302 Clevelands (yes, 302 Clevelands), and the heads used to be a big thing in the US. They are a closed-chamber head with big valves and good ports. They have been superceded by your average aftermarket Al head now. No, I've never rebuilt a Cleveland, just want to and am relating what I've found. The above engine is an FE, but all the Australian heads I've heard about have been the mythical Clevelands.
Good video. I was trained to put a straight edge across the top of all the valve stems also. That will show you long and short stems so you can center the plunger of all the lifters. Adjust push rod length as needed to maintain rocket geometry.
At 2:02 , I put a 4" piece of vacuum hose over the valve-stem & put the other end in the chuck of a small low-speed drill, a few seconds worth, pulling slightly as the hose piece stretches...works fine.
Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into these videos. They are definitely worth waiting for! I'm planning an fe build in the near future and you are right, there's not much out there for fe videos. So I appreciate you doing this.
You going to go into som details regarding the lifters-pushrod? Fixing up a 390 off a 64 Mercury and there aren’t really any good resources regarding the non adjustable rockers and the lifter-rod installation (particularly determining rod length and fit). Can’t wait for the next upload. You’ve been a great resource!!!
Oh those heads look so good makes me miss my old bumpside Ford trucks funny how times change things and the type of fuels we burn I remember as a teenager running those until the seats we're beat so far that they sounded like the exhaust valves were practically hanging open I know an old man once that actually sanded down the stems on his exhaust valves because the seats were beat so far in when the lifters got pumped up good it sounded like a worn-out shop compressor I couldn't believe he done that and it actually ran like that for a couple years
I have watched all these videos before but I am currently doing a 390 build so im watching some of these again. Your seat pressure will be more than 120 at 1.900. You used a retainer on the top of your spring for the inner spring but on the bottom both springs sat flat even with each other when you were testing them. I can see on your head were your inner spring sets there is about .100 step up from were the outer spring will set. So when your outer is installed at 1.900 your inner will be approximately 1.700 for the .100 step on the cylinder head & the .100 on the retainer. You can duplicate this when testing by putting a retainer on the top & the bottom of the spring.
Love your channel, I've got a question for you. I had my 428SCJ heads ported /polished and a 3 angle valve job done in 1979, with what you said about unleaded fuel that has me worried because what are the chances I did not have steel valve seats installed back then. This engine has sat and was recently gone over in 2013. Valve springs where changed and the cam re-lubed before firing it up. It runs fine but what problems will I have if the seats weren't changed to steel?
Perhaps you can give us a Specs again on started out as a what a standard 390 may be punched out 30 then maybe a stroker crank kit from scat somebody? I like to look at the 4.25 stroke crankshaft.
Ok so the 390 has a std bore of 4.050 and a factory stroke of 3.785 the crank we are using for this build is a scat steel 4.125 stroke and we also bored the block .030 oversize that brings us to 4.080 if we do the math 4.080 /2 that is bore squared or bore times bore we get 16.65 times the stroke 4.125 we get 68.70 times .7854 (.7854 is 1/4 of pie it is a constant and never changes in this equation) so 68.70 times .7854 = 53.95 this is the cubic inches of one cylinder and of course we have 8 of them so 53.95 CI times 8 is 432 CID for this stroker engine it is bigger that the 428 engine however is a much different animal from the factory the 428. The 428 has a much larger bore and a shorter stroke our stroker is much more suited to low to mid rpm torque where as the factory 428 is a much higher revving engine that is more suited to a light street rod rather than a truck I hope this makes since there is allot going on here with these engines and sometimes it takes a while to absorb it all
Thanks for taking the time to make and post these videos. What is the timeline for the sohc inline 6 poncho? Excited to see that one. First car memory as a small boy was riding around in my mother’s 68 Tempest 2 door. Dark green exterior, avocado green interior. It had that sohc inline 6 engine and a power glide. It Died in 1981 or 1982. Mom got a new Pontiac, and the ol tempest got parked out back where it rotted away. Later it was hauled off and crushed. What a shame. Was just an old car back then. Nothing special. Would love to have it now.
I have been racing my 77 ford truck for a decade and I have always ran a 390 engine. Still run a 390. My best time is 12.0 at 110mph. How much would you sell a pair of these heads for? I'm sure I have too much cam for the heads I'm running now, after looking at these heads it just make me want a set even more. By the way, did you ever get the flow numbers on these? I do run a solid flat tappet cam with adjustable roller rockers that pushes the lift to .609int. and .629 exh on a 108 lsa cam.
What heads are these? Have you flowed a cylinder on each side and the velocity from.100-.600? Those look like C8AEH? What size are the valves? They would be nice with 2.15/1.65, and a little porting. But 2.09/1.65 is good. Likely about 246190with the CJ heads or valves . These would be good for a 445. That is about the same as a 440 Magnum Mopar. And the intake manifold will likely boost it to 255 intake at 28. That would support 500 hp and 500 ft lbs with a 240 @.050 hyd roller on a 110 with 106 intake centerline. A 445 is a good stroker. I have a 390 that makes 493 hp and 464ft lbs with a 230@ .050 and .549 lift.
A great learning resource, and I'm sure it's a great video record for the customer also. QUESTION: Once the valves are lapped in, are they married to that particular seat?
13:45 my shop usually says (when they have to do guide work) that to leave the valve seals off for the first 1-2000 miles, and install them after the valves had time to lightly work themselves into the guides (they said they had fresh heads, that stuck valves after work and seal install)
If a valve seizes in the guide the clearance is not correct as far a leaving the seals off I have never heard of that the factory certainly doesn't do that
Myvintageiron7512 , It allows lubrication to get in there to a certain degree.. Possibly has a little bit of smoke but on my 428 Cobra Jet, I used to race I just flat just left them off.. I didn't really care cuz the motor didn't run that long anyway in at 50 weight oil, little got by anyway. so I never made a bit of difference on that kind of a setup for racing. but Street might be a little bit different. Probably not a bad idea to leave it off while some lubrication to assist a little bit of a settling where in butt like you said Factory doesn't do that and I really don't know if that really makes a difference or not actually.
Ash qelon . I have seen some shady shops that would drill the hole for the valve guides off angle so after they press the guides in they would pinch the valve and hang one open for you.
James T43 yeah I know about that stuff I work in a machine shop for 5 years doing a lot of guys Motors out at the racetrack locally here in man until you what the stuff I saw was unbelievable. We did a fair amount of repair work from other shops
when I was younger I was a chevy only guy I hated fords and of course I had never built or driven one , now that I have built and owned many fords I actually love them the FE is one of my absolute favorite engines along with the 289/302/351W family these are fantastic engines
Where's your shop and how much for budget build Buick 455 was thinking on getting Iron stage1 heads does that change the pistons or cam or lifters also how do hydraulic cam n lifters vary from stock?
Very informative vids. Wouldn't you need to add the height of your retainer to your caliper when you were doing your spring pressure test? Probably why it was at 120#
The only thing that will become a problem is the hardened valve guied will eat up the valve with in about 100 miles. They make a bronz self lubricating valve guide
I've got a question-how much torque would you guess this engine will make? I'm planning a very similar build and I'm researching manual transmissions. I'm looking at the tremecs. I'm building a 65 ford f-250. Do you know yet which tranny you will be using and what would you recommend? Thanks
I love these videos, but they're basically just an advertisement to take your engine to a specialist for rebuilding. I think I could handle the mechanical part of this, but getting all the tools to be able to do this job even half-ass would cost more than a new motor for sure. I had no idea.
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Again enjoying your awesome details and information. I am binge watching.
It’s a great learning experience watching a pro like you building these engines! Your expertise is very valuable!
Thank You for such a great informative videos of the FE , I have learn a lot from you , I love the FE and will make use of info ,when doing my 1959 361 Edsel .This is the best videos for this engine ,many thanks ,
thx
@@Myvintageiron7512 hello,like your videos, do you have any 1960 fe heads small chamber heads,they where like 58 cc,and do you have any 406 ford heads,can I call you and talk to you about buying some heads
Very well explained mate
This video has head rebuilding clips from several different days so the clips are kind of random but it's all good info
Myvintageiron7512 awesome video, I always like learning about this stuff.
Myvintageiron7512 where are you located
Myvintageiron7512 in NASCAR in the early 80s the ford guys used a head they called the Australian head it was made in Australia and Ford Motorsports brought it into the u.s. to use and the cup cars do you know anything about it hard to find info this is before the Yates head
Charles Richardson are you talking about the Australian Cleveland head? Australia had a bunch of 351 and 302 Clevelands (yes, 302 Clevelands), and the heads used to be a big thing in the US. They are a closed-chamber head with big valves and good ports. They have been superceded by your average aftermarket Al head now. No, I've never rebuilt a Cleveland, just want to and am relating what I've found. The above engine is an FE, but all the Australian heads I've heard about have been the mythical Clevelands.
Good video. I was trained to put a straight edge across the top of all the valve stems also. That will show you long and short stems so you can center the plunger of all the lifters. Adjust push rod length as needed to maintain rocket geometry.
At 2:02 , I put a 4" piece of vacuum hose over the valve-stem & put the other end in the chuck of a small low-speed drill, a few seconds worth, pulling slightly as the hose piece stretches...works fine.
This is an awesome series but don't leave us hanging!
Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into these videos. They are definitely worth waiting for! I'm planning an fe build in the near future and you are right, there's not much out there for fe videos. So I appreciate you doing this.
You make good and very informative videos. I rebuild my 350 based on your videos. Thank you!
Love the vids fixing to start my 390 build can't wait to see it running
You going to go into som details regarding the lifters-pushrod? Fixing up a 390 off a 64 Mercury and there aren’t really any good resources regarding the non adjustable rockers and the lifter-rod installation (particularly determining rod length and fit). Can’t wait for the next upload. You’ve been a great resource!!!
Oh those heads look so good makes me miss my old bumpside Ford trucks funny how times change things and the type of fuels we burn I remember as a teenager running those until the seats we're beat so far that they sounded like the exhaust valves were practically hanging open I know an old man once that actually sanded down the stems on his exhaust valves because the seats were beat so far in when the lifters got pumped up good it sounded like a worn-out shop compressor I couldn't believe he done that and it actually ran like that for a couple years
I have watched all these videos before but I am currently doing a 390 build so im watching some of these again. Your seat pressure will be more than 120 at 1.900. You used a retainer on the top of your spring for the inner spring but on the bottom both springs sat flat even with each other when you were testing them. I can see on your head were your inner spring sets there is about .100 step up from were the outer spring will set. So when your outer is installed at 1.900 your inner will be approximately 1.700 for the
.100 step on the cylinder head & the
.100 on the retainer. You can duplicate this when testing by putting a retainer on the top & the bottom of the spring.
How do I buy a set of fresh heads from you?
Love your channel, I've got a question for you. I had my 428SCJ heads ported /polished and a 3 angle valve job done in 1979, with what you said about unleaded fuel that has me worried because what are the chances I did not have steel valve seats installed back then. This engine has sat and was recently gone over in 2013. Valve springs where changed and the cam re-lubed before firing it up. It runs fine but what problems will I have if the seats weren't changed to steel?
I’ll never complain about how much the machine shop charges again!
I trust in an old school test. Great n cheers
Perhaps you can give us a Specs again on started out as a what a standard 390 may be punched out 30 then maybe a stroker crank kit from scat somebody?
I like to look at the 4.25 stroke crankshaft.
Ok so the 390 has a std bore of 4.050 and a factory stroke of 3.785 the crank we are using for this build is a scat steel 4.125 stroke and we also bored the block .030 oversize that brings us to 4.080 if we do the math 4.080 /2 that is bore squared or bore times bore we get 16.65 times the stroke 4.125 we get 68.70 times .7854 (.7854 is 1/4 of pie it is a constant and never changes in this equation) so 68.70 times .7854 = 53.95 this is the cubic inches of one cylinder and of course we have 8 of them so 53.95 CI times 8 is 432 CID for this stroker engine it is bigger that the 428 engine however is a much different animal from the factory the 428. The 428 has a much larger bore and a shorter stroke our stroker is much more suited to low to mid rpm torque where as the factory 428 is a much higher revving engine that is more suited to a light street rod rather than a truck I hope this makes since there is allot going on here with these engines and sometimes it takes a while to absorb it all
Myvintageiron7512
Good stuff,
When assembles, installed and lit, we will need 1!4 mile slips.
Thx
spring install height....I've been waiting for this ...
Thanks for taking the time to make and post these videos.
What is the timeline for the sohc inline 6 poncho? Excited to see that one.
First car memory as a small boy was riding around in my mother’s 68 Tempest 2 door.
Dark green exterior, avocado green interior. It had that sohc inline 6 engine and a power glide.
It Died in 1981 or 1982. Mom got a new Pontiac, and the ol tempest got parked out back where it rotted away. Later it was hauled off and crushed.
What a shame.
Was just an old car back then. Nothing special.
Would love to have it now.
i used 428 cj heads on my 390gt and a 406 tripower intake
I have been racing my 77 ford truck for a decade and I have always ran a 390 engine. Still run a 390. My best time is 12.0 at 110mph. How much would you sell a pair of these heads for? I'm sure I have too much cam for the heads I'm running now, after looking at these heads it just make me want a set even more. By the way, did you ever get the flow numbers on these? I do run a solid flat tappet cam with adjustable roller rockers that pushes the lift to .609int. and .629 exh on a 108 lsa cam.
$700.00 for a set
What heads are these? Have you flowed a cylinder on each side and the velocity from.100-.600? Those look like C8AEH? What size are the valves? They would be nice with 2.15/1.65, and a little porting. But 2.09/1.65 is good. Likely about 246190with the CJ heads or valves . These would be good for a 445. That is about the same as a 440 Magnum Mopar. And the intake manifold will likely boost it to 255 intake at 28. That would support 500 hp and 500 ft lbs with a 240 @.050 hyd roller on a 110 with 106 intake centerline. A 445 is a good stroker. I have a 390 that makes 493 hp and 464ft lbs with a 230@ .050 and .549 lift.
A great learning resource, and I'm sure it's a great video record for the customer also. QUESTION: Once the valves are lapped in, are they married to that particular seat?
Yes they need to be kept in order
13:45 my shop usually says (when they have to do guide work) that to leave the valve seals off for the first 1-2000 miles, and install them after the valves had time to lightly work themselves into the guides (they said they had fresh heads, that stuck valves after work and seal install)
If a valve seizes in the guide the clearance is not correct as far a leaving the seals off I have never heard of that the factory certainly doesn't do that
Myvintageiron7512 ,
It allows lubrication to get in there to a certain degree..
Possibly has a little bit of smoke but on my 428 Cobra Jet, I used to race I just flat just left them off..
I didn't really care cuz the motor didn't run that long anyway in at 50 weight oil, little got by anyway.
so I never made a bit of difference on that kind of a setup for racing.
but Street might be a little bit different.
Probably not a bad idea to leave it off while some lubrication to assist a little bit of a settling where in butt like you said Factory doesn't do that and I really don't know if that really makes a difference or not actually.
thanks!
Ash qelon . I have seen some shady shops that would drill the hole for the valve guides off angle so after they press the guides in they would pinch the valve and hang one open for you.
James T43 yeah I know about that stuff I work in a machine shop for 5 years doing a lot of guys Motors out at the racetrack locally here in man until you what the stuff I saw was unbelievable.
We did a fair amount of repair work from other shops
Building Ford V-8's is what heaven is going to be... I know, I'm sick
when I was younger I was a chevy only guy I hated fords and of course I had never built or driven one , now that I have built and owned many fords I actually love them the FE is one of my absolute favorite engines along with the 289/302/351W family these are fantastic engines
how much would a set of heads just like theses cost ?
Been waiting for this one to finish uploading :)
Where's your shop and how much for budget build Buick 455 was thinking on getting Iron stage1 heads does that change the pistons or cam or lifters also how do hydraulic cam n lifters vary from stock?
No porting or bowel blending? with the stroker thought that would be a given using stock heads?
Nope not with this combo the heads flow pretty good and we are chasing Torque
Very informative vids. Wouldn't you need to add the height of your retainer to your caliper when you were doing your spring pressure test? Probably why it was at 120#
no the spring sits agenst the bottom of the retainer the height is not a factor
What is the cost nowadays to do this complete job to these heads?
The only thing that will become a problem is the hardened valve guied will eat up the valve with in about 100 miles. They make a bronz self lubricating valve guide
305 pound open wow that push rod and rocker arm need to be stiff
Hello
Why is my 383 stroker Chevy diesieling when I turn it off?
Thanks
what kind of HP would you expect out of a pair of 427FE in a marine application? and.. how would you go about that?
What is the casting number
I've got a question-how much torque would you guess this engine will make? I'm planning a very similar build and I'm researching manual transmissions. I'm looking at the tremecs. I'm building a 65 ford f-250. Do you know yet which tranny you will be using and what would you recommend? Thanks
450 to 500 TQ
Myvintageiron7512
Thanks, have a safe weekend
Where is your shop located?
Those are some big ass valves lol 😂
I love these videos, but they're basically just an advertisement to take your engine to a specialist for rebuilding. I think I could handle the mechanical part of this, but getting all the tools to be able to do this job even half-ass would cost more than a new motor for sure. I had no idea.
what grit is the compound ?
You painted that fan blue, didn't you? 😀
no but the people that made it did
You seemed to have aged a lot....
You ok buddy?
black intake on a 390 bla bla