Hmm im having difficulty getting the ENV to work .. as this video is only showing how it works with the expander and the setups you go trhough do not exist with out the Expander. All i wish to do is figure out how to use ENV with out the expander basically. thank you !
@@MorbidManoeuvres Go to the envelope screen (press automator twice) then choose a source for the first envelope eg. Gate 1. Choose a destination eg. MOD1. Press OK to activate. Now you get a ADSR envelope on output MOD1 each time you gate the first track = play a note use trigger or gating. This is one of many possibilities. Please check the manual for details.
Some ideas and questions. This thing is so nice, thank you for doing this! I will get the portable when it comes out for sure, nice with upgraded sample ram!…Price seems good also. New tables looks great. 1. For the groove lane have you considered doing it like Little GP Tracker, with a separate tables for the groove? Then one could select those looping Groove patterns in the grove lane…this would be a much cleaner way to control simple swing i think…and still retain the awesome feature you have already to be able to set custom groove per step if one needs it…only problem is that one would need another table page to create the groove tables (maybe it can be neatly integrated with the existing tables page?)…and some more tables (i think 16 would be enough, and 16 step length, should not eat too much memory) I still think really nice to just set the groove “swing” on the first step …and change the feel of the swing by going into the groove table instead of changing all the steps in the pattern. If no more room in the ram…maybe a option to use any of the “normal” tables as a groove table? Maybe it could be edited from the normal tables page? 2. Will the midi in on the portable be able to sync to DIN sync? 3. There was some limitation about the CV 16 expander you talked about…I didnt quite understand that…will that limitation also be on the portable (with no “default” built in CV out)? Is it just that a “normal” track can not send to the expander unless we set it in the track properties to send out to the CV16…then that track is ONLY able to send to CV16 not to midi?? Did i understand that right? I think i could live with that no problem. 4. no CV in on the portable was a little sad for me :/ Have the pots on the portable replaced the CV in on the nerdseq? So maybe we can still record automation with the pots? Are they encoders or normal pots? 5. Will a external keyboard (for typing letters and contriolling nerdseq portable) work on the USB on the portable without expander? 6. will the USB send midi out to a USB host…class compliant? 7. can i use both a pc keyboard AND a launchpad at the same time? via USB hub maybe? 8. what is the BPM range? I love to be able to go down to 1bpm sometimes… EMU command stations does it…unfortunately, not many sequencers with midi sync support it. 9. variable LOG, EXP for the envelopes? 9. In Little GP Tracker there is a neat sample loop sync option in the sample options it will make sure the loop fits the whole pattern when a C note is played and linked to the tempo to stay in sync…then doubled the speed if a C note with a higher octave is played…and half the speed on a lower C, but still in sync…handy feature. No fancy timestrech, pitch will go up and down …but still handy…can we do this in nerdseq? Also able to choose sample interpolation or not..can sound rather nice and crunchy without interpolation. Also the tunes feedback options and bitcrush, distortion features are quite cool…i would take that over a audio FX delay anyday…audio FX could be done outside i think…delay would eat some memory right? I much rather take a midi FX note delay and/or some other cool MIDI FX. 10. expander with more MIDI DIN outs and a few USB ports? And midi Delay for each port. (will the midi expander give 2 assignable midi out ports on the portable?) 11. expanders with some hardware sound modules (maybe even with included audio FX) like a SID ship and a sega FM synth would be killer…and maybe even a analog freely routable modular synth voice would be a dream! (i think i saw you had something like that planned already for the future.) 12. Maybe this would clutter down the UI but i quite like the option to chain patterns like in Little GP Tracker…it is a separate screen…so maybe not needed…longer patterns in Nerdseq kind of makes up for it. But still quite cool to have. 13. can we assign midi CC and pitchbend to control any parameter on the nerdseq? Like a MIDI learn? 14. can we trigger clips externally via midi …like with program change? 15. I wonder how the expanders will fit on the portable…maybe not ideal with a ribbon cable stickin out of it :D 16. another thing i thought about that would be cool is saved selections…that one can then route modulation to….for instance select a few notes in a pattern then assign a LFO to modulate note pitch only on that selection. 17. can we mute tracks from a midi controller…or the launchpad maybe? Or even mute individual samples/instruments? Sorry for all the questions… This thing looks fantastic…best hardware tracker for sure! Thanks.
Haha... a lot of questions. I am not sure if you refer to the NerdSEQ or the NerdSEQ portable generally. Many stuff is already integrated in the NerdSEQ and so also in the portable. I will get into trying to answer most of your questions later on. Just let me know if you are talking about the portable only or not. Cheers :)
@@xorelectronics At first i wanted to get the eurorack Nerdseq (even after i saw the portable announcement, mostly because of the nice I/O on the euroversio)...but now that i hear we can use expanders with the portable, that may be the best solution for me. And also the bigger size for samples have swayed me over to the portable...the buttons on the original Nerdseq seems nicer and built in CV..but to be able to just slack in the sofa with a nerdseq portable and use the built in oscillators or samples when sketching..then hook it up to the modular with the expander for the full analog modular sound...sounds really appealing to me. Also if we can hook up a PC keyboard to the portable then we could get a PC keyboard with good clicky buttons...So i think i will go for the Portable version and the questions are mostly about the portable. But im worried about how tight the sync will be if it is over midi clock. Ideal if i could send a analog clock or DIN sync to the Nerdseq portable clock in should be tight...i could send out a metronome clicktrack via audio from something like the Command station, MC707 or Octatrack (thru a comparator to clean it up) and skip the jittery midi clock and free up the midi port for MIDI LFO and note# etc...and do the gates...or even skit the gates in the modular and go directly to envelopes from the nerdseq portable with expander cv16 (gates are more time critical than the note# for tightness i think)...that should be a really tight setup!...maybe even hook up the Expert Sleepers FH-1 (if the midi USB device port is class compliant) for more CV's, sequencing the rate of the FH-1 LFO's from the nerdseq portable etc.... but maybe i will even sell the FH-1 to help fund the nerdseq portable and 16CV nerd expander instead...how much CV do we need :D Big question i have is if the portable can sync via DIN sync/analog pulse, reset...and how tight it will be. Aslo not sure about the big differance between nerdseq euro compared to the portable...on the eurorack version we have 2 ch for samples...but on the portable every channel can sequence samples right? But are there any other downsides on the portable compared to the eurorack version? Maybe some limitations how the CV16 expander is integrated compered to the built in CV's on the euro nerdseq? Thanks for your time. Cheers :)
@@manne3d 1> Groove settings in the table are not planned and i won't do them either. The available columns are for the FX values and there is no groove. It wouldn't be possible to set the 2 sample grooves per track then either. However, i got other ideas for that and right now, inserting 2 grooves and then doing copy+paste+move is doing the job as well. It doesn't make sense anyway changing the grooves on-the-fly as the chances are high that you will mess up the ratio. 2> No, only midi. And then it's USB Midi Host and Device and TRS-A Midi. 3> Limitations with the NerdSEQ is 6 columns per track for the CV expander. And you set up a track to a function indeed. So a midi track has all the midi columns and a cv16 track has all the cv16 columns and power. The portable will have the same in the first place, but there i can get 'off' this limitation as well if there is any demand. 4> You can record automations with the encoders. And you can always use Midi-CC or NRPN for that as well. Having also CV inputs would be overkill for a portable device, because then why are there no CV outputs as well? There is simply no space for it for a portable device. 5> No, but there might be a adapter for it. 6> Yes 7> No, again, if, then with a additional adapter. 8> 1 .. 500 bpm 9a> No. If they are envelopes then they are linear. 9b> I don't really understand what you mean and it sounds rather destructive if the speed is changed by the sample length. I got to check the latest ghetto to see what you are talking about. 10> Not planned but possible (for outputs). But you also got 2(+1) midi ports already. And it would be 'in the rack'. 11> I have that since several years, check the 'Nerdsynth'. I will do them at some point. 12> I especially made the NerdSEQ without the chaining screen as it removes one layer of complexity. I gave many workshops about LSDJ and LGPT and it always turned out that the understanding of the chaining before you really have the pattern was the most trouble and un-intuitive for people to understand. The 64 steps and basenote in between and repeating functions mostly cover that. 13> There will be a list of a deep CC implementation, but it is not as easy as you think since we got to deal with multiple tracks and you want all functions from all tracks being able to be controlled. CC's are very limited for that. 14> Program change is too limited for that as you only can select 128 'programs' and you miss the information about the track and higher pattern numbers with that. 15> They use a CAT5 (like network) cable which goes into the rack into a little adapter module. 16> Already in the NerdSEQ. Yuo can change, start/stop LFO parameters from within the sequencer/table steps. 17> Already implemented with launchpad. -> But im worried about how tight the sync will be if it is over midi clock. Where is the issue here? Midi clock jitter is something of computers but not really of good designed hardware synths/sequencers. Clock signals are realtime signals and so have always priority over anything else. - The portable can use all tracks for samples compared to the eurorack version. But as it is, the eurorack version has it's full power for the local CV/Gate stuff, while the portable has it's power with sampling and Midi. Doesn't mean that you can't do both with both. The expander usage will be the same with both in the first place. But you don't have the full power for CV manipulation with internal CV vs. CV from the CV16. Maybe we continue this to the XOR Forum. The youtube comments is a bit a pain to edit and format to answer multiple questions. Cheers!
@@xorelectronics Thanks a lot for the detailed answers... 1. not a big problem for me...as you say copy and paste works (i was not suggesting changing "groove table" in the track FX i ment instead of typing a value in the dedicated Groove column with a tic-divider...one could type a number in that same groove column pointing to a table...but its a matter of taste...as with the patternchaining, it is maybe a little convoluted and hard for people to grasp.)...interesting to see what new solution you have in the works! 2. hmm no analog clock in, maybe i consider getting a eurorack nerdseq anyway and wait for a sample extension with analog filters and more RAM, or MK2? :D hint hint. 3. ok i see so we can not mix MIDI and CV to the CV16 expander on the same track..not a big limitation i think. 4. Makes perfect sense with no CV in on the portable...im just a little cheap and think that when i hook it up to the the "big" system...it would be cool to have a CV to MIDI converter for free :D 8. NICE BPM range! like it! 9a. yes, probably better to have linear envelopes...we can always use exponential VCA's for more snappiness if needed. 9b. i think i explained it badly :/ this is from the LGPT manual. About loop modes. Its the third mode in the list. loop mode: selects the looping mode. --------------------------------- none will play sample from zero to end. loop will start at zero and loop from loopstart to end. looper sync will automatically tune a loop so that it plays exactly 16 bars. Use the root note to play twice faster/slower oscillator is a special mode where the loop selection (from loopstart to end) is taken as oscillator data and automatically tuned. Experiment with different settings, do not forget 'root note' is your friend to tune the oscillator back in a useful range 10. Oh 2 midi out built in!! great! 12. yes i see what you mean totally, pattern-chaining is a bit confusing and your solution with longer patterns is a good solution to make it more straight forward...with almost no downsides. Only 16 steps per "phrase" pattern i LGPtracker is sometimes a bit tedious if we want longer sequences. Overall i think i like the way you do it with longer patterns in the nerdseq better :D. 13. Sounds great that you have deep midi CC implementation on the radar... I have a old Creamware Noah EX..with loads of parameters for some synths that use the poly aftertouch messages as additional targets when the CC# for that channel is out..maybe not ideal solution. Maybe no need to be able to learn every single parameter. 14. aha, i have not thought about that regarding program change for clip changes...i just read that is the way Roland does it on the MC707. 15. CAT5..NICE! i wish more manufactures used this port! it is solid. Regarding MIDI clock, i guess you are right..i have not had much problems when i used MIDI hardware (But did not use the midi ports for much more than for note# and clock)...but i know the physical limitation of the MIDI ports and the baudrate...if we start flooding the midi ports with dense midi LFO's (esp with 14bit pitchbend) something has to start to jitter at some point. This is why i like to separate stuff out with clocks at its dedicated port...and gates/envelopes straight out of the mictocontroller. This will give me pease of mind that the clock and gates are always as tight as can be and not limited by some baudrate when modulation data starts to get crazy...but if the pitch info from midi note is a little late here and there...that is ok with me as long as the note on/gate and clock is always bang on. I could maybe be wrong on this and overreact..but its the way im going to build my system with MIDI from now. i have to take another thinker about this because of no "analog" clock in on the portable, have to reconsider the eurorack nerdseq...it is currently the only big limitation on the portable for me. Anyway you have a real winner of a product here...and i really hope people will see it and that it will sell BIG TIME! esp. now that we are in a tracker revival time era! yes, lets continue on your forum...thanks again for the detailed answers. Have a good day.
This is so great Thomas, I'm really loving the Nerdseq and I've ordered a Midi Expander from you, I'm really excited to get that! I'm also really excited for your i2c expander whenever this will be ready. I would love to one day be able to use the Nerdseq to sequence my ER-301 and Mannequins Just Friends, which can be used as a polyphonic voice if controlled through the i2c connection. I'm not sure what your timeframe is for the expander, but just to let you know that this will be a really appreciated addition! Anyway it's excellent already and keeps getting better :)
31:38 I feel really dumb coming back to the NerdSeq after another year of break. I watched videos for an hour now and I can‘t get a „simple“ setup working. I use the More CV 16 expander and just want to play 3 notes at the same time (chords) but also at different times. I set up 3 channels + 3 envelopes, and got the first channel working with this tutorial (notes on 1, triggers in 2 that come out at at track trigger, so the original nerdseq) I just want it to work like on my old Hermod. Have 6 cables for 3 notes polyphony and know where what has to be. I used channel 3 for the 2nd set of notes I want to record (or the 2nd note in a chord) and channel 4 for the triggers. Problems started there. I can only set „Track Trigger“ or „Destination Trigger 4“. Where is „Destination Trigger 4“ coming out?
Am I correct in my observation that for every expansion module you elect to use, a Sequencer channel is taken over? You can use either, but not both? So every time you use an expander, 3 ports on the Nerdseq are dead while the expander is active? Unless I missed something, this seems like a key bit of information that should be front and center in the marketing description. If it's a physical hardware limitation, and not a firmware one, I'd say consumers should know that going in. If it's a temporary limitation that can be eliminated later in firmware, I could see where it might be lost in the fine print.
No this information is not correct. You can dedicate expanders to one or multiple tracks. There you get many more functions and outputs for this track. The local tracks can still be used for notes, pitches or triggers from that track or as usual also from other tracks. Also the The same for the modulations for these outputs (eg LFO, envelopes etc). The user interface changes for these tracks. You don't get more tracks with expanders but it expands your current tracks. All that information is directly shown in the manual, forum and tutorials, so no information is hidden from the user.
@@xorelectronics Well, I've has my Nerdseq and all three expansions under a week. Clearly it's going to be a fairly steep learning curve from here. It doesn't help that what video tutorials exist don't reflect current firmware. A shop your size has limited resources so it's understandable.
@@mntbighker my suggestion is to start without expanders since it can be quite overwhelming to deal with everything at the same time. There is much to learn and the manual is your friend in the first place and it is always up to date. All basics are covered in the available video tutorials even though the firmwares used in there are several months old (sorry that i keep updating and adding features ;-) ). All the additions are mostly not related to the basic use. So no worries, once you are into all the basics you can go further and explore all the possibilities and until then they are new tutorial videos.
I just bought a nerdseq but it is in the post. Can I trigger a pattern to start playing from an external device? I also bought the io expander. Could it start and stop a pattern from another device via midi or cv? Thanks
when i divide the track clock (SCLK 008) at the beginning of a pattern, the pattern needs a few passes to divide the clock, i have the latest firmware, what could be the problem? and is there a setting to stop the sequence from the previous line on a line change without selecting each one individually?
There is no problem. The new clock will always be activated at the end / begin of a pattern. This is actually to be able to stay synchronized even when changing the clocks (if they are double/quad etc of course). It wouldn't be of course when you change it somewhere in the middle of the sequence. But there is a new Firmware you can test in the XOR forum (which is the #1 support point) which got a new 'force' clock mode so the new clock is being activated directly. And I don't understand your second question.
@@xorelectronics Ah ok, to my 2nd question I meant how best to run only patterns in one line in the seqenzer screen. So if, for example, there are 2 patterns on row 1+2 on 00, row 01 is empty, then you activate 02 (Shift+Start) but there is no pattern on row 1, can you somehow make it switch off automatically when the sequence changes if there is no pattern there. so that the pattern no longer runs on 00 row 1. Or do you have to start/stop everything individually?
You were not kidding when you named it Nerdseq. I'm 38 minutes in, and my Nerdseq is maybe shipping tomorrow. But I'm already wondering how many things can be eliminated from the signal path with the amount of envelope possibilities you have provided. It's not as versatile is my Acid Rain Maestro for complex wave forms, but for a lot of things I'm going to save a ton of patching. Am I wrong on this? Seems like I won't be running out of channels as often on Zadar now either. I'm really looking forward to using Nerdseq.
I can't compare it with the Acid Rain Maestro and i think this wouldn't be a fair comparison anyway...like every comparison with dedicated function modules. The NerdSEQ can generate many complex waveforms/modulations and these can be used again to create even more complex stuff and again.... But in the end, it's a sequencer mainly and it's up to the user if it could replace any of the other tools. In my opinion that shouldn't also be the goal, because where is the fun of using a modular then? :-)
XOR Electronics That sounds perfect 👌🏻 I have all expanders and I ordered 16 CV :) The function I was looking for is... AutoSave ON/OFF (save the project when you quit) Do you think that is something you could implement one day?
0:00 Setting
3:17 Let's get started
5:22 CV expander setup menu
14:18 CV expander presentation
16:06 CV expander presentation - switch between the types (notes / envelopes / triggers / modulations)
18:33 CV expander presentation - some settings (glide / glide steps / modulation types)
24:29 Break :)
24:47 Happy Chat Moderator :)
25:52 CV expander - Envelopes
32:29 CV expander - LFO (pure mode)
33:34 CV expander - LFO (add mode)
34:53 CV expander - LFO (back to pure mode)
36:26 CV expander - LFO important information
37:10 CV expander - Assign the CV expander on multiple tracks
38:36 FX (what's new)
43:31 CV expander - Envelopes - missed important info
45:16 Live Chat Q&A
58:36 Let's get to the new waveforms
1:05:50 Live Chat Q&A
1:17:09 New Table screen
1:29:25 Live Chat Q&A
1:38:08 NerdSynth prototypes
1:39:40 NerdSeq Portable
1:40:34 IsquareC expander prototype
1:46:47 Bye
Such a great bit of kit! I am always learning new ways to use it.
I'm really hyped for the HDMI module. Any info on it's release date?
Great module!!
thanks for all the info! looking forward to the updated tables and gamepad! 😎
Hmm im having difficulty getting the ENV to work .. as this video is only showing how it works with the expander and the setups you go trhough do not exist with out the Expander. All i wish to do is figure out how to use ENV with out the expander basically. thank you !
These are the envelopes for the CV16 expander. The nerdseq got its own ones. Latest firmware V1.23A?
@@xorelectronics yes i have this firmware. can you please write me some simple steps, just to use an ENV ? be a huge help. cheers
i dont hav the expander, so just would like to know how to do it with out one*
@@MorbidManoeuvres Go to the envelope screen (press automator twice) then choose a source for the first envelope eg. Gate 1. Choose a destination eg. MOD1. Press OK to activate.
Now you get a ADSR envelope on output MOD1 each time you gate the first track = play a note use trigger or gating. This is one of many possibilities. Please check the manual for details.
Some ideas and questions.
This thing is so nice, thank you for doing this! I will get the portable when it comes out for sure, nice with upgraded sample ram!…Price seems good also. New tables looks great.
1. For the groove lane have you considered doing it like Little GP Tracker, with a separate tables for the groove? Then one could select those looping Groove patterns in the grove lane…this would be a much cleaner way to control simple swing i think…and still retain the awesome feature you have already to be able to set custom groove per step if one needs it…only problem is that one would need another table page to create the groove tables (maybe it can be neatly integrated with the existing tables page?)…and some more tables (i think 16 would be enough, and 16 step length, should not eat too much memory) I still think really nice to just set the groove “swing” on the first step …and change the feel of the swing by going into the groove table instead of changing all the steps in the pattern. If no more room in the ram…maybe a option to use any of the “normal” tables as a groove table? Maybe it could be edited from the normal tables page?
2. Will the midi in on the portable be able to sync to DIN sync?
3. There was some limitation about the CV 16 expander you talked about…I didnt quite understand that…will that limitation also be on the portable (with no “default” built in CV out)? Is it just that a “normal” track can not send to the expander unless we set it in the track properties to send out to the CV16…then that track is ONLY able to send to CV16 not to midi?? Did i understand that right? I think i could live with that no problem.
4. no CV in on the portable was a little sad for me :/ Have the pots on the portable replaced the CV in on the nerdseq? So maybe we can still record automation with the pots? Are they encoders or normal pots?
5. Will a external keyboard (for typing letters and contriolling nerdseq portable) work on the USB on the portable without expander?
6. will the USB send midi out to a USB host…class compliant?
7. can i use both a pc keyboard AND a launchpad at the same time? via USB hub maybe?
8. what is the BPM range? I love to be able to go down to 1bpm sometimes… EMU command stations does it…unfortunately, not many sequencers with midi sync support it.
9. variable LOG, EXP for the envelopes?
9. In Little GP Tracker there is a neat sample loop sync option in the sample options it will make sure the loop fits the whole pattern when a C note is played and linked to the tempo to stay in sync…then doubled the speed if a C note with a higher octave is played…and half the speed on a lower C, but still in sync…handy feature. No fancy timestrech, pitch will go up and down …but still handy…can we do this in nerdseq? Also able to choose sample interpolation or not..can sound rather nice and crunchy without interpolation. Also the tunes feedback options and bitcrush, distortion features are quite cool…i would take that over a audio FX delay anyday…audio FX could be done outside i think…delay would eat some memory right? I much rather take a midi FX note delay and/or some other cool MIDI FX.
10. expander with more MIDI DIN outs and a few USB ports? And midi Delay for each port. (will the midi expander give 2 assignable midi out ports on the portable?)
11. expanders with some hardware sound modules (maybe even with included audio FX) like a SID ship and a sega FM synth would be killer…and maybe even a analog freely routable modular synth voice would be a dream! (i think i saw you had something like that planned already for the future.)
12. Maybe this would clutter down the UI but i quite like the option to chain patterns like in Little GP Tracker…it is a separate screen…so maybe not needed…longer patterns in Nerdseq kind of makes up for it. But still quite cool to have.
13. can we assign midi CC and pitchbend to control any parameter on the nerdseq? Like a MIDI learn?
14. can we trigger clips externally via midi …like with program change?
15. I wonder how the expanders will fit on the portable…maybe not ideal with a ribbon cable stickin out of it :D
16. another thing i thought about that would be cool is saved selections…that one can then route modulation to….for instance select a few notes in a pattern then assign a LFO to modulate note pitch only on that selection.
17. can we mute tracks from a midi controller…or the launchpad maybe? Or even mute individual samples/instruments?
Sorry for all the questions…
This thing looks fantastic…best hardware tracker for sure! Thanks.
Haha... a lot of questions. I am not sure if you refer to the NerdSEQ or the NerdSEQ portable generally. Many stuff is already integrated in the NerdSEQ and so also in the portable.
I will get into trying to answer most of your questions later on. Just let me know if you are talking about the portable only or not. Cheers :)
@@xorelectronics At first i wanted to get the eurorack Nerdseq (even after i saw the portable announcement, mostly because of the nice I/O on the euroversio)...but now that i hear we can use expanders with the portable, that may be the best solution for me. And also the bigger size for samples have swayed me over to the portable...the buttons on the original Nerdseq seems nicer and built in CV..but to be able to just slack in the sofa with a nerdseq portable and use the built in oscillators or samples when sketching..then hook it up to the modular with the expander for the full analog modular sound...sounds really appealing to me. Also if we can hook up a PC keyboard to the portable then we could get a PC keyboard with good clicky buttons...So i think i will go for the Portable version and the questions are mostly about the portable. But im worried about how tight the sync will be if it is over midi clock. Ideal if i could send a analog clock or DIN sync to the Nerdseq portable clock in should be tight...i could send out a metronome clicktrack via audio from something like the Command station, MC707 or Octatrack (thru a comparator to clean it up) and skip the jittery midi clock and free up the midi port for MIDI LFO and note# etc...and do the gates...or even skit the gates in the modular and go directly to envelopes from the nerdseq portable with expander cv16 (gates are more time critical than the note# for tightness i think)...that should be a really tight setup!...maybe even hook up the Expert Sleepers FH-1 (if the midi USB device port is class compliant) for more CV's, sequencing the rate of the FH-1 LFO's from the nerdseq portable etc.... but maybe i will even sell the FH-1 to help fund the nerdseq portable and 16CV nerd expander instead...how much CV do we need :D Big question i have is if the portable can sync via DIN sync/analog pulse, reset...and how tight it will be. Aslo not sure about the big differance between nerdseq euro compared to the portable...on the eurorack version we have 2 ch for samples...but on the portable every channel can sequence samples right? But are there any other downsides on the portable compared to the eurorack version? Maybe some limitations how the CV16 expander is integrated compered to the built in CV's on the euro nerdseq? Thanks for your time. Cheers :)
@@manne3d 1> Groove settings in the table are not planned and i won't do them either. The available columns are for the FX values and there is no groove. It wouldn't be possible to set the 2 sample grooves per track then either.
However, i got other ideas for that and right now, inserting 2 grooves and then doing copy+paste+move is doing the job as well.
It doesn't make sense anyway changing the grooves on-the-fly as the chances are high that you will mess up the ratio.
2> No, only midi. And then it's USB Midi Host and Device and TRS-A Midi.
3> Limitations with the NerdSEQ is 6 columns per track for the CV expander. And you set up a track to a function indeed. So a midi track has all the midi columns and a cv16 track has all the cv16 columns and power. The portable will have the same in the first place, but there i can get 'off' this limitation as well if there is any demand.
4> You can record automations with the encoders. And you can always use Midi-CC or NRPN for that as well. Having also CV inputs would be overkill for a portable device, because then why are there no CV outputs as well? There is simply no space for it for a portable device.
5> No, but there might be a adapter for it.
6> Yes
7> No, again, if, then with a additional adapter.
8> 1 .. 500 bpm
9a> No. If they are envelopes then they are linear.
9b> I don't really understand what you mean and it sounds rather destructive if the speed is changed by the sample length. I got to check the latest ghetto to see what you are talking about.
10> Not planned but possible (for outputs). But you also got 2(+1) midi ports already. And it would be 'in the rack'.
11> I have that since several years, check the 'Nerdsynth'. I will do them at some point.
12> I especially made the NerdSEQ without the chaining screen as it removes one layer of complexity. I gave many workshops about LSDJ and LGPT and it always turned out that the understanding of the chaining before you really have the pattern was the most trouble and un-intuitive for people to understand. The 64 steps and basenote in between and repeating functions mostly cover that.
13> There will be a list of a deep CC implementation, but it is not as easy as you think since we got to deal with multiple tracks and you want all functions from all tracks being able to be controlled. CC's are very limited for that.
14> Program change is too limited for that as you only can select 128 'programs' and you miss the information about the track and higher pattern numbers with that.
15> They use a CAT5 (like network) cable which goes into the rack into a little adapter module.
16> Already in the NerdSEQ. Yuo can change, start/stop LFO parameters from within the sequencer/table steps.
17> Already implemented with launchpad.
-> But im worried about how tight the sync will be if it is over midi clock.
Where is the issue here? Midi clock jitter is something of computers but not really of good designed hardware synths/sequencers.
Clock signals are realtime signals and so have always priority over anything else.
- The portable can use all tracks for samples compared to the eurorack version. But as it is, the eurorack version has it's full power for the local CV/Gate stuff, while the portable has it's power with sampling and Midi. Doesn't mean that you can't do both with both. The expander usage will be the same with both in the first place. But you don't have the full power for CV manipulation with internal CV vs. CV from the CV16.
Maybe we continue this to the XOR Forum. The youtube comments is a bit a pain to edit and format to answer multiple questions.
Cheers!
@@xorelectronics Thanks a lot for the detailed answers...
1. not a big problem for me...as you say copy and paste works (i was not suggesting changing "groove table" in the track FX i ment instead of typing a value in the dedicated Groove column with a tic-divider...one could type a number in that same groove column pointing to a table...but its a matter of taste...as with the patternchaining, it is maybe a little convoluted and hard for people to grasp.)...interesting to see what new solution you have in the works!
2. hmm no analog clock in, maybe i consider getting a eurorack nerdseq anyway and wait for a sample extension with analog filters and more RAM, or MK2? :D hint hint.
3. ok i see so we can not mix MIDI and CV to the CV16 expander on the same track..not a big limitation i think.
4. Makes perfect sense with no CV in on the portable...im just a little cheap and think that when i hook it up to the the "big" system...it would be cool to have a CV to MIDI converter for free :D
8. NICE BPM range! like it!
9a. yes, probably better to have linear envelopes...we can always use exponential VCA's for more snappiness if needed.
9b. i think i explained it badly :/ this is from the LGPT manual. About loop modes. Its the third mode in the list.
loop mode: selects the looping mode.
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none will play sample from zero to end.
loop will start at zero and loop from loopstart to end.
looper sync will automatically tune a loop so that it plays exactly 16 bars. Use the root note to play twice faster/slower
oscillator is a special mode where the loop selection (from loopstart to end) is taken as oscillator data and automatically tuned. Experiment with different settings, do not forget 'root note' is your friend to tune the oscillator back in a useful range
10. Oh 2 midi out built in!! great!
12. yes i see what you mean totally, pattern-chaining is a bit confusing and your solution with longer patterns is a good solution to make it more straight forward...with almost no downsides. Only 16 steps per "phrase" pattern i LGPtracker is sometimes a bit tedious if we want longer sequences. Overall i think i like the way you do it with longer patterns in the nerdseq better :D.
13. Sounds great that you have deep midi CC implementation on the radar... I have a old Creamware Noah EX..with loads of parameters for some synths that use the poly aftertouch messages as additional targets when the CC# for that channel is out..maybe not ideal solution. Maybe no need to be able to learn every single parameter.
14. aha, i have not thought about that regarding program change for clip changes...i just read that is the way Roland does it on the MC707.
15. CAT5..NICE! i wish more manufactures used this port! it is solid.
Regarding MIDI clock, i guess you are right..i have not had much problems when i used MIDI hardware (But did not use the midi ports for much more than for note# and clock)...but i know the physical limitation of the MIDI ports and the baudrate...if we start flooding the midi ports with dense midi LFO's (esp with 14bit pitchbend) something has to start to jitter at some point. This is why i like to separate stuff out with clocks at its dedicated port...and gates/envelopes straight out of the mictocontroller. This will give me pease of mind that the clock and gates are always as tight as can be and not limited by some baudrate when modulation data starts to get crazy...but if the pitch info from midi note is a little late here and there...that is ok with me as long as the note on/gate and clock is always bang on. I could maybe be wrong on this and overreact..but its the way im going to build my system with MIDI from now.
i have to take another thinker about this because of no "analog" clock in on the portable, have to reconsider the eurorack nerdseq...it is currently the only big limitation on the portable for me. Anyway you have a real winner of a product here...and i really hope people will see it and that it will sell BIG TIME! esp. now that we are in a tracker revival time era!
yes, lets continue on your forum...thanks again for the detailed answers. Have a good day.
This is so great Thomas, I'm really loving the Nerdseq and I've ordered a Midi Expander from you, I'm really excited to get that!
I'm also really excited for your i2c expander whenever this will be ready. I would love to one day be able to use the Nerdseq to sequence my ER-301 and Mannequins Just Friends, which can be used as a polyphonic voice if controlled through the i2c connection. I'm not sure what your timeframe is for the expander, but just to let you know that this will be a really appreciated addition!
Anyway it's excellent already and keeps getting better :)
Disting EX has I2C, and they just added a Polyphonic Sample Synth. I'm hoping they can be connected behind the panel.
Thanks so much, Thomas, I learned a lot from this!
Thank you...love your product!
does this work without cv expander ? would llove to use the ADSR functions with out expander
Yes 👍🏼
AHH NEVER MIND FOUND IT! AT 41:21 ;)
31:38 I feel really dumb coming back to the NerdSeq after another year of break. I watched videos for an hour now and I can‘t get a „simple“ setup working.
I use the More CV 16 expander and just want to play 3 notes at the same time (chords) but also at different times.
I set up 3 channels + 3 envelopes, and got the first channel working with this tutorial (notes on 1, triggers in 2 that come out at at track trigger, so the original nerdseq)
I just want it to work like on my old Hermod. Have 6 cables for 3 notes polyphony and know where what has to be.
I used channel 3 for the 2nd set of notes I want to record (or the 2nd note in a chord) and channel 4 for the triggers. Problems started there. I can only set „Track Trigger“ or „Destination Trigger 4“. Where is „Destination Trigger 4“ coming out?
Wow love the screensaver
Are the wave tables usable in all tracks on the nerdseq?
Am I correct in my observation that for every expansion module you elect to use, a Sequencer channel is taken over? You can use either, but not both? So every time you use an expander, 3 ports on the Nerdseq are dead while the expander is active? Unless I missed something, this seems like a key bit of information that should be front and center in the marketing description. If it's a physical hardware limitation, and not a firmware one, I'd say consumers should know that going in. If it's a temporary limitation that can be eliminated later in firmware, I could see where it might be lost in the fine print.
No this information is not correct. You can dedicate expanders to one or multiple tracks. There you get many more functions and outputs for this track. The local tracks can still be used for notes, pitches or triggers from that track or as usual also from other tracks. Also the The same for the modulations for these outputs (eg LFO, envelopes etc). The user interface changes for these tracks. You don't get more tracks with expanders but it expands your current tracks.
All that information is directly shown in the manual, forum and tutorials, so no information is hidden from the user.
@@xorelectronics Well, I've has my Nerdseq and all three expansions under a week. Clearly it's going to be a fairly steep learning curve from here. It doesn't help that what video tutorials exist don't reflect current firmware. A shop your size has limited resources so it's understandable.
@@mntbighker my suggestion is to start without expanders since it can be quite overwhelming to deal with everything at the same time. There is much to learn and the manual is your friend in the first place and it is always up to date. All basics are covered in the available video tutorials even though the firmwares used in there are several months old (sorry that i keep updating and adding features ;-) ). All the additions are mostly not related to the basic use. So no worries, once you are into all the basics you can go further and explore all the possibilities and until then they are new tutorial videos.
I just bought a nerdseq but it is in the post. Can I trigger a pattern to start playing from an external device? I also bought the io expander. Could it start and stop a pattern from another device via midi or cv? Thanks
WOOOO, that''s really powerful!
when i divide the track clock (SCLK 008) at the beginning of a pattern, the pattern needs a few passes to divide the clock, i have the latest firmware, what could be the problem? and is there a setting to stop the sequence from the previous line on a line change without selecting each one individually?
There is no problem. The new clock will always be activated at the end / begin of a pattern. This is actually to be able to stay synchronized even when changing the clocks (if they are double/quad etc of course). It wouldn't be of course when you change it somewhere in the middle of the sequence. But there is a new Firmware you can test in the XOR forum (which is the #1 support point) which got a new 'force' clock mode so the new clock is being activated directly. And I don't understand your second question.
@@xorelectronics Ah ok, to my 2nd question I meant how best to run only patterns in one line in the seqenzer screen. So if, for example, there are 2 patterns on row 1+2 on 00, row 01 is empty, then you activate 02 (Shift+Start) but there is no pattern on row 1, can you somehow make it switch off automatically when the sequence changes if there is no pattern there. so that the pattern no longer runs on 00 row 1. Or do you have to start/stop everything individually?
@@andisyntz7160 oh i see. You can insert a ** instead of a pattern number which equals to stop pattern.
@@xorelectronicsah ok, thanks
Is it easy to replace the start stop buttons for green and red ones? Thanks
Yes it's easy. But you would need the button caps then :-)
Is there a reason the envelopes aren't ADSR but only ADR?
Can I output lfo without any expander?
You were not kidding when you named it Nerdseq. I'm 38 minutes in, and my Nerdseq is maybe shipping tomorrow. But I'm already wondering how many things can be eliminated from the signal path with the amount of envelope possibilities you have provided. It's not as versatile is my Acid Rain Maestro for complex wave forms, but for a lot of things I'm going to save a ton of patching. Am I wrong on this? Seems like I won't be running out of channels as often on Zadar now either. I'm really looking forward to using Nerdseq.
I can't compare it with the Acid Rain Maestro and i think this wouldn't be a fair comparison anyway...like every comparison with dedicated function modules. The NerdSEQ can generate many complex waveforms/modulations and these can be used again to create even more complex stuff and again.... But in the end, it's a sequencer mainly and it's up to the user if it could replace any of the other tools. In my opinion that shouldn't also be the goal, because where is the fun of using a modular then? :-)
Which firmware is this in the video?
New coming firmware.
@@xorelectronics Thanks. Do you have a date of release?
@@CO5MA somewhere within the next 2 weeks i expect. I got to finish some minor things with the editing. Any particular function you need?
XOR Electronics That sounds perfect 👌🏻 I have all expanders and I ordered 16 CV :) The function I was looking for is... AutoSave ON/OFF (save the project when you quit) Do you think that is something you could implement one day?
@@CO5MA I assume that 'quit' means power off? There is no way to detect that ;-)
many many thanks!!!
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USB keyboard is the best upgrade... sorry naysayers. HA