It has all the functionality we’ve been expecting. But this requiring new turret, new shell holder, and considering multiple SAC dies already invested, it’s really hard to swallow this at $500ish price tag.
@@kylshot ...the competition shellholders will do it @ +or-.002" but the new mic die will make shellholders obsolete @ $225...therefore really spending $725 for the mic die. GEEEZ!
Every time I hear of a new product you have that I think I don’t need, I watch your video and I’m immediately sold. Nice job on explanation. Just need to wait for 6BR.
Reloading has come a long way since I started in 1983 ,the bad thing is that the dies wear out,I still remember the price I paid for my Hornady 7 mm Remington dies at $ 14 .99 .
Since Alpha is making 25 Creedmoor brass now do you guys have that on your radar? Your innovations are awesome and appreciated! Very happy with all of the products I’ve purchased over the years.
Do you have any comparison data illustrating the benefits of this die system versus another premium die system (like a Redding Elite type S or something). Detail and data oriented handloders might better digest the higher price with that proof and an example of the dies modularity for multiple calibers. I know i would. Great concept!
As someone who has worked as a gunsmith the first question that comes to my mind is What chamber specs are you sizing them for? You can have the most perfectly made, perfectly consistent dies, but if they are sizing the brass to something different from what my chamber was cut for, then the quality of your product is irrelevant regardless of price. I would suggest a couple of things. 1. Please release the specs of the 'sizing reamer' that you cut the dies with. So I don't have to reverse engineer the specs of your sizing reamer by cerrosafe casting your sizing die, and then have a custom chambering reamer cut. 2. In addition to the specs of your sizing reamer, make avaialble a chambering reamer that matches your sizing dies. A no turn neck chambering reamer with removeable pilot & has oil grooves cut in it pilot as well. That would cover about 80% of what customers actually need. Or just have your recommened chamber reamer print on file with JGS & Manson, so we can order them ourselves. I know there is a huge variaton in how people want their chambers cut, but at least having the sizing reamer spec used to cut the sizing die, we can then order the chamber reamer how we want. 3. or like you suggested in the video, have blanks available so we can cut our own sizing die easily. While this is not my preffered approach, since it involves more machine time and ordering both a sizing reamer & a chambering reamer.
These are being cut to work with Alpha Munitions Brass, which is obviously SAAMI when applicable, and is a perfect match to their Legacy reamers (which are built against SAAMI, again, when applicable) If this isn't exciting to you, we will eventually have available Gunsmith-Ready kits, which include everything you need, except a die reamer. You'll be able to use our expanders too, just need to chuck the insert, sink your die reamer to a spec (will come with a print resembling a chamber print) and there ya go. We knew people would have these super-specific needs, and to be able to accommodate without gumming up production, we are choosing Option 3.
@@area419 Thanks for the super prompt reply! That is excellent information! I will contact Alpha and get a reamer ordered shortly. So Glad you partnered with Alpha Munitions, they really do make the best brass!
@@johncaelles9143 working with the other companies that are depended on to make good ammo has ALWAYS been important to our process here, because if our stuff doesn't work with theirs (as you said) it doesn't really matter.
@@MrBoostin18 Haha very true! If I could get this die with the turret head and shell holder for $500 I think id be able to justify it but that $650 price point is daunting after investing in a SAC die set.
So it seems this die is made to, decap, size and mandrel all in one stroke? Typically I decap then clean, anneal then size, then mandrel…. Also what lube did you test and find you like best with these dies?
RCBS, HORNADY, & LEE can all do basically the same job. For 20% the cost, and sticking to established mounting standards. A Redding Neck Sizer, with solid sleeves, can do the same job, for less money.
With the litany of variation in the 284/6.5x284/Shehane and the added "Improved" variants, I would guess that many of you guys will fall into the "7mm Gunsmith" option world. Would be very difficult for us to justify the huge number of variations for a market that is somewhat limited in scope.
You need a whole die, at least to begin, and then for calibers 2/3/4/etc you could simply use a sleeve/mandrel. Those will be available independently before too long.
This is the same die design I have been thinking of for years! Great job on the design. Just don't understand why a single die and shell holder is $500? Maybe if it came with a nice bullet seater or if the sizing mandrel was solid carbide...... But give you all prop's for thinking outside the box!
We have essentially taken a $350 die and put it inside a micrometer-adjustable housing, there are a lot of parts that needed to be made exceptionally well for this die to work in the way it does
Presently had built a 6mm/280AI chanber. I purchase the reamer. I am presently using Redding bushing dies in 280AI FL Taking 4 steps to reduce the neck. I have your press and tourists. Either size for dies. Presently have a blank being reamed for bullet setting. So I am interested. Keep me updated. Thanks
Are these modular, in that I can just change the sleeve and use the same die. In other words 1 die body 3 different sleeves (6br, 6 dasher, 6.5 Creed)?
with the exception of needing your mandrels to match your caliber (6 vs 6.5, etc) then yes. Though I think it'll be a bit before we release the sleeves on their own, just to keep complete units moving and production smooth.
@@area419 I think you hit it out of the park making this modular. It will be sweet to have one die that covers all the .308 family of cartridges. Well done!
300 PRC or 7 PRC on the short list at all? Surprised to see the 308 in the coming soon over some other options....don't exactly think of that as the precision 30 cal round this die appeals to.
If I don’t use Alpha brass, how does this non-bushing sizer “adjust” to the variability of slightly different neck wall thickness in the brass necks (Lapua, Hornady, Peterson, Norma), without unnecessarily over working the neck when you pull the mandrel back through the neck to set the .002” of neck tension? Or am I simply overthinking this and it’s not an issue?
At this point in brass, the variances are relatively small. To the point we do not believe this issue is worth adding another part, and opportunity for something to go wrong, with a bushing.
Can you expand on what somewhat near future means? I have a 300prc and just ordered a 7prc. I’m having a horrible time sizing the 300prc and have tried many different sizing dies on the zero press with little to no luck! I’m dying for a solution for the 300prc… please help ASAP😂
Correct. You can adjust headspace on the die with our M-Series. The adjustment shellholder system will be really handy though for those that opt for the S-Series (7/8") in the future.
That shellholder kit will no longer be necessary, though if you choose to wait on the 7/8 S-Series release later in 2023, that shellholder kit will be perfect. Lots of options to be used however someone wants to use them!
@@area419 Just bought the ZERO press...bullet seating IS NOT its forte...using the Redding micrometer seating die...Went from .001 or less runout with a Redding Boss press to an anywhere from .0005" to .004" runout with the ZERO press...whats up with that?
@@cvtwins Did you contact Area419 customer service with your concerns, or just comment on a comment in a video that has nothing to do with bullet seating?
Few more questions. 1. How to control neck tension through this sizing die? Is there any bushing? 2. Since the sleeve can be replaced, it that means we can use one die with different sleeves for multiple calibers with same body diameter such like 308win and 6.5 Creedmoor? 3. Any plan for long action calibers?
1) Neck tension is controlled by the size of the ground mandrel you pull back through the sized neck. All dies ship with a .002" neck tension mandrel, with mandrels to produce more/less tension to be available for order about the time the dies ship. 2) Sure, you could do that. We will make the sleeves available on their own at some point, just don't expect it to be immediate. 3) This design can accommodate from 223 to 338 LAP and we will be making all sorts of things in between.
This sounds wonderful and i really hope yall make some for the .338 lapua magnum "m" series is fine with me . Thank you all at 419 for making wonderful ideas come to life. One idea is the zero storage block make one that is on both sides of the press for more storage available space . Just add the screw to the rear side with a ball detent to activate the lock down on the arca lock. Just a thought that could come to life. Thank you.
People complaining about the price are the same guys driving a base model Chevy 1500 and bitching about the price of the GMC Denali, if you don't like it, then don't buy it. I am a ZERO owner and while this is super badass, I don't NEED it right now. Will I own one in the future, absolutely, but all of my bases are covered currently. I'll jump on one when 7prc comes about.
There is nothing wrong at all with providing rational feedback to a manufacturer about a product they put out. Besides you not understanding that this really doesn't offer much new, it is a little childish to insult people because of some sort of rediculous stereotype you apply to people.
Also, MANY 7/8 presses are also 1-1/4. RockChucker, Big Boss, most of the o-style presses that have a hex around where the die goes in are actually 1-1/4 capable when that factory-installed thread reducer is removed.
As much as I like Area419 this is just a bridge too far. With Warner Tool level cost and using 11/8" size dies you must be joking. Like you really think that reloaders who already have a zero is going to pay through the ass for a new toolhead, die shellholder just to use this die? I mean I would much rather pay for Short Action Custom or Bullet Central Micron dies and custom shell holder set instead of paying more than half the cost of the zero press. Just unrealistic.
That may be the case for some people, but we are bringing something to market that doesn't exist in any form, so for those needing the features it'll be welcome. You'll see a more "normally" priced 7/8 die from us in 2023, but it won't include the micrometer adjustable headspace. Will still be a great die, just different options for the needs of different reloaders.
@@area419 I can appreciate your products and even have your Zero Press as well as shell holders, hellfire brakes, supessor adapter and so on. But I and the majority of people this would actually be marketed toward really don't see the rational benefits for the outsized price you are asking nor the functional need to shift die sizes when other solutions are either less expensive or more custom tailored. Respectfully I disagree with your response and hope you listen to feedback from your existing customers like me.
@@johnwilliams40 The truely wealthy buy Warner Tool dies that are cut for a customers reamer or their chamber and the specific load that is intended. Warner does all the work specific to the reloaders desire.
@@r1ght1left1 Please understand you're not being ignored at all! The S-Series die is coming fairly soon, and it will be at a price point and feature set that is a little more in the expected range. More options to be the right fit for more customers.
Love what Area 419 is doing. Please don't stop perfecting reloading.
It has all the functionality we’ve been expecting. But this requiring new turret, new shell holder, and considering multiple SAC dies already invested, it’s really hard to swallow this at $500ish price tag.
at some point in the future there will be a 7/8" die, but it will lack the mic-adjustable headspace. Simple space limitation.
$650 price tag for it with the shell holder and turret.
How will the headspace be adjusted without the micrometer?
@@kylshot ...the competition shellholders will do it @ +or-.002" but the new mic die will make shellholders obsolete @ $225...therefore really spending $725 for the mic die. GEEEZ!
@@cvtwins my std zero shell holders luckily will still work on all my other dies, but without the mic, how is the new die adjusted?
Every time I hear of a new product you have that I think I don’t need, I watch your video and I’m immediately sold. Nice job on explanation. Just need to wait for 6BR.
Reloading has come a long way since I started in 1983 ,the bad thing is that the dies wear out,I still remember the price I paid for my Hornady 7 mm Remington dies at $ 14 .99 .
Since Alpha is making 25 Creedmoor brass now do you guys have that on your radar? Your innovations are awesome and appreciated! Very happy with all of the products I’ve purchased over the years.
I'l second that.
Third that
count me in ... 4th that
Man I love your stuff, and I spend a lot on reloading, but $650 to get in on this with the Zero I have... man...
Can’t fool with Area419 on a Lee budget. They will sell!
I think for the market you are making them for you will sell every one of them. I feel you hit a home run with these dies.
Thank you! And in time, more options will come that may appeal to more buyers!
Just order one! just waiting now!
Do you have any comparison data illustrating the benefits of this die system versus another premium die system (like a Redding Elite type S or something). Detail and data oriented handloders might better digest the higher price with that proof and an example of the dies modularity for multiple calibers. I know i would. Great concept!
You guys always take it to the next level. I guess I'm going to need to save some money and get one.
As someone who has worked as a gunsmith the first question that comes to my mind is What chamber specs are you sizing them for? You can have the most perfectly made, perfectly consistent dies, but if they are sizing the brass to something different from what my chamber was cut for, then the quality of your product is irrelevant regardless of price.
I would suggest a couple of things.
1. Please release the specs of the 'sizing reamer' that you cut the dies with. So I don't have to reverse engineer the specs of your sizing reamer by cerrosafe casting your sizing die, and then have a custom chambering reamer cut.
2. In addition to the specs of your sizing reamer, make avaialble a chambering reamer that matches your sizing dies. A no turn neck chambering reamer with removeable pilot & has oil grooves cut in it pilot as well. That would cover about 80% of what customers actually need. Or just have your recommened chamber reamer print on file with JGS & Manson, so we can order them ourselves. I know there is a huge variaton in how people want their chambers cut, but at least having the sizing reamer spec used to cut the sizing die, we can then order the chamber reamer how we want.
3. or like you suggested in the video, have blanks available so we can cut our own sizing die easily. While this is not my preffered approach, since it involves more machine time and ordering both a sizing reamer & a chambering reamer.
These are being cut to work with Alpha Munitions Brass, which is obviously SAAMI when applicable, and is a perfect match to their Legacy reamers (which are built against SAAMI, again, when applicable)
If this isn't exciting to you, we will eventually have available Gunsmith-Ready kits, which include everything you need, except a die reamer. You'll be able to use our expanders too, just need to chuck the insert, sink your die reamer to a spec (will come with a print resembling a chamber print) and there ya go.
We knew people would have these super-specific needs, and to be able to accommodate without gumming up production, we are choosing Option 3.
@@area419 Thanks for the super prompt reply! That is excellent information! I will contact Alpha and get a reamer ordered shortly. So Glad you partnered with Alpha Munitions, they really do make the best brass!
Fully agree- release the numbers/specs of the reamer used or it does no good for those of us who have our own chamber reamers now and into the future.
@@johncaelles9143 working with the other companies that are depended on to make good ammo has ALWAYS been important to our process here, because if our stuff doesn't work with theirs (as you said) it doesn't really matter.
Daaaang!! So sweet! If I didn’t just drop $325 on a SAC 6GT die I’d be down 😢
Hearing the prices on this die makes the sac seem more reasonable
@@MrBoostin18 Haha very true! If I could get this die with the turret head and shell holder for $500 I think id be able to justify it but that $650 price point is daunting after investing in a SAC die set.
@@TheOptimi5t well at least you have a press that can take that die. I don’t.
So it seems this die is made to, decap, size and mandrel all in one stroke? Typically I decap then clean, anneal then size, then mandrel…. Also what lube did you test and find you like best with these dies?
RCBS, HORNADY, & LEE can all do basically the same job.
For 20% the cost, and sticking to established mounting standards.
A Redding Neck Sizer, with solid sleeves, can do the same job, for less money.
Please add the 28 Nosler as a option for your dies!
I am a Zero press owner & a competition F-open shooter when will you be offering this in 284 Win. I like the concept of your new die
With the litany of variation in the 284/6.5x284/Shehane and the added "Improved" variants, I would guess that many of you guys will fall into the "7mm Gunsmith" option world. Would be very difficult for us to justify the huge number of variations for a market that is somewhat limited in scope.
If I understand correctly it will only work in rock chucker and zero press? Amazing die!
What about old standby 270 , 300 blk , 30- 06 , etc
Do i need the whole die or can i buy a collar and mandrel for different calibers, you guys make the best products keep them coming Donald.
You need a whole die, at least to begin, and then for calibers 2/3/4/etc you could simply use a sleeve/mandrel. Those will be available independently before too long.
@@area419 Thank you i will be buying them .
You guys need to do a video of just the rifles you boys got hanging.. beautiful shit up there
This is the same die design I have been thinking of for years! Great job on the design. Just don't understand why a single die and shell holder is $500? Maybe if it came with a nice bullet seater or if the sizing mandrel was solid carbide...... But give you all prop's for thinking outside the box!
We have essentially taken a $350 die and put it inside a micrometer-adjustable housing, there are a lot of parts that needed to be made exceptionally well for this die to work in the way it does
I have a ZERO press with a 7/8 head are you telling me I have buy a 1-1/4 head to use this die and throw out my Lapua brass?
The die requires a hybrid head for the 1-1/4" die, that's correct, but why would you need to change brass? That's not the case at all.
Presently had built a 6mm/280AI chanber. I purchase the reamer. I am presently using Redding bushing dies in 280AI FL Taking 4 steps to reduce the neck. I have your press and tourists. Either size for dies. Presently have a blank being reamed for bullet setting.
So I am interested. Keep me updated.
Thanks
How many thousandth of play is there between the die and the centre
Are these modular, in that I can just change the sleeve and use the same die. In other words 1 die body 3 different sleeves (6br, 6 dasher, 6.5 Creed)?
with the exception of needing your mandrels to match your caliber (6 vs 6.5, etc) then yes. Though I think it'll be a bit before we release the sleeves on their own, just to keep complete units moving and production smooth.
@@area419 I think you hit it out of the park making this modular. It will be sweet to have one die that covers all the .308 family of cartridges. Well done!
@@tylerorth2870 The same die (excluding the sleeve) could be used from .223 to 338 LAP - would just need sleeves and shellholders.
Hope you make one for 30-06. PLEASE!
Will this die system work on a Forster Co-ax. With out the shell holder???
No, these are 1-1/4" diameter and will not work with a Co-Ax. 7/8" dies with some, but not all, of the functionality will be a summer/fall 2023 item.
Hopefully they will be BETTER priced and include the micro shoulder bump feature. I love the concept behind the die design. Thank you.
338 lapua magnum dies..
300 PRC or 7 PRC on the short list at all?
Surprised to see the 308 in the coming soon over some other options....don't exactly think of that as the precision 30 cal round this die appeals to.
Yes, they are likely in wave 3.
308 is for the competitive crowd that shoots in constrained classes. F/TR, PRS Tac, etc
Pretty slick
Need a 6BR !
That's in the second wave, probably open that ordering in Jan with like March delivery.
Will they be compatible with the Forster Press?????
Not this line of dies, no, these are 1-1/4" dies and too large in diameter for the Co-Ax
6 BRA on the short list?
If I don’t use Alpha brass, how does this non-bushing sizer “adjust” to the variability of slightly different neck wall thickness in the brass necks (Lapua, Hornady, Peterson, Norma), without unnecessarily over working the neck when you pull the mandrel back through the neck to set the .002” of neck tension? Or am I simply overthinking this and it’s not an issue?
At this point in brass, the variances are relatively small. To the point we do not believe this issue is worth adding another part, and opportunity for something to go wrong, with a bushing.
7 SAUM please
will you be making make dies for PRC’s
Yep! 6.5 will be soon, 7 and 300 in the somewhat near future.
Can you expand on what somewhat near future means? I have a 300prc and just ordered a 7prc. I’m having a horrible time sizing the 300prc and have tried many different sizing dies on the zero press with little to no luck! I’m dying for a solution for the 300prc… please help ASAP😂
Hi 8.5x55 Blaser ??
So the modular shell holder system for headspace that you sell will not be needed for this bad boy
Or is used on the 7/8 die set when it comes out
Correct. You can adjust headspace on the die with our M-Series. The adjustment shellholder system will be really handy though for those that opt for the S-Series (7/8") in the future.
Can you guys make us wildcatters custom dies?
Nope, we won't, but we will be selling the sizing sleeves uncut and ready for your gunsmith to cut with your reamer!
@@area419 When can we expect those?
$500? Ouch.
Does this die and shell-holder now eradicate the investment made in the Zero Shell Holders?
That shellholder kit will no longer be necessary, though if you choose to wait on the 7/8 S-Series release later in 2023, that shellholder kit will be perfect. Lots of options to be used however someone wants to use them!
Seriously, I just bought SAC last week for 6GT. Little heads up man , little heads up.
6mm ARC?
Bullet seater to complement the sizer ??
Yes, will come, but not immediately.
@@area419 Just bought the ZERO press...bullet seating IS NOT its forte...using the Redding micrometer seating die...Went from .001 or less runout with a Redding Boss press to an anywhere from .0005" to .004" runout with the ZERO press...whats up with that?
@@cvtwins Did you contact Area419 customer service with your concerns, or just comment on a comment in a video that has nothing to do with bullet seating?
Few more questions. 1. How to control neck tension through this sizing die? Is there any bushing? 2. Since the sleeve can be replaced, it that means we can use one die with different sleeves for multiple calibers with same body diameter such like 308win and 6.5 Creedmoor? 3. Any plan for long action calibers?
1) Neck tension is controlled by the size of the ground mandrel you pull back through the sized neck. All dies ship with a .002" neck tension mandrel, with mandrels to produce more/less tension to be available for order about the time the dies ship.
2) Sure, you could do that. We will make the sleeves available on their own at some point, just don't expect it to be immediate.
3) This design can accommodate from 223 to 338 LAP and we will be making all sorts of things in between.
You control it with a different mandrel diameter
This sounds wonderful and i really hope yall make some for the .338 lapua magnum "m" series is fine with me . Thank you all at 419 for making wonderful ideas come to life. One idea is the zero storage block make one that is on both sides of the press for more storage available space . Just add the screw to the rear side with a ball detent to activate the lock down on the arca lock. Just a thought that could come to life. Thank you.
$450-650 for hard on hard contact?? I got a guy that will do that for $20.
dear Santa...
People complaining about the price are the same guys driving a base model Chevy 1500 and bitching about the price of the GMC Denali, if you don't like it, then don't buy it. I am a ZERO owner and while this is super badass, I don't NEED it right now. Will I own one in the future, absolutely, but all of my bases are covered currently. I'll jump on one when 7prc comes about.
There is nothing wrong at all with providing rational feedback to a manufacturer about a product they put out. Besides you not understanding that this really doesn't offer much new, it is a little childish to insult people because of some sort of rediculous stereotype you apply to people.
Not working with standard 7/8 press is like slapping us poor people in the face and saying screw you!
Not at all, its saying “gotta do this first”!
Also, MANY 7/8 presses are also 1-1/4. RockChucker, Big Boss, most of the o-style presses that have a hex around where the die goes in are actually 1-1/4 capable when that factory-installed thread reducer is removed.
@@area419 gotcha. Gotta buy a new press. Stick to my Redding T7 and Wilson dies
As much as I like Area419 this is just a bridge too far. With Warner Tool level cost and using 11/8" size dies you must be joking. Like you really think that reloaders who already have a zero is going to pay through the ass for a new toolhead, die shellholder just to use this die? I mean I would much rather pay for Short Action Custom or Bullet Central Micron dies and custom shell holder set instead of paying more than half the cost of the zero press. Just unrealistic.
That may be the case for some people, but we are bringing something to market that doesn't exist in any form, so for those needing the features it'll be welcome. You'll see a more "normally" priced 7/8 die from us in 2023, but it won't include the micrometer adjustable headspace. Will still be a great die, just different options for the needs of different reloaders.
They'll have a Very Small customer base on these dies,.......only the wealthy will be able to afford this .
@@area419 I can appreciate your products and even have your Zero Press as well as shell holders, hellfire brakes, supessor adapter and so on. But I and the majority of people this would actually be marketed toward really don't see the rational benefits for the outsized price you are asking nor the functional need to shift die sizes when other solutions are either less expensive or more custom tailored. Respectfully I disagree with your response and hope you listen to feedback from your existing customers like me.
@@johnwilliams40 The truely wealthy buy Warner Tool dies that are cut for a customers reamer or their chamber and the specific load that is intended. Warner does all the work specific to the reloaders desire.
@@r1ght1left1 Please understand you're not being ignored at all! The S-Series die is coming fairly soon, and it will be at a price point and feature set that is a little more in the expected range. More options to be the right fit for more customers.
How about if you have a custom reamer and i send it to you and make the sleeve out of that reamer. Is it possible?
We won’t be cutting with personal reamers but we will sell uncut sleeves with instructions/prints for you to have this work done by your smith.
@@area419 glad dot know the shooter has the option ! Great! Love options