Why Did Super Mario Maker 2 STOP Getting UPDATES? Why It Failed To Stay Relevant
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2023
- The original Super Mario Maker on Wii U was a PHENOMENON. It was VERY popular despite releasing on the Wii U, which is Nintendo's worst selling system. It even got a Nintendo 3DS version called Super Mario Maker For Nintendo 3DS (which was one of the WORST Mario games) But on the Nintendo Switch, there was hope. Super Mario Maker 2 was released, and seemingly had everything going for it. But it didn't catch on. Why is that? In this retrospective, we'll be revisiting Super Mario Maker 2 and seeing why the game did not live up to it's predeccesor's popularity, and why Nintendo did not give the game DLC like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
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ceave gaming made a good episode on why super mario 1 felt more enjoyable then 2. to boil down is discussion, its that the ui is counter intuitive and inconvenient, with poor priorities which made level building a chore rather than fun.
Also you can’t edit other peoples levels, and other stuff
To this day we still don't know why they said "Extra Game Styles" (with an S), when there was only ONE extra game style (that being Mario 3D World)... Such a tease
it would have made more sense if they called it "experimental style" or something cause switching to 3D world changes the entire level so i guess that trademark would fit more.
well 'WONDER' no more I think we will get something for that extra spot but we'll just have to wait and see.
Super Mario Maker 2. Honestly, Nintendo was lazy.
@@theshadowworld2239 well not lazy as more on the lines as stubborn if anything else😑
I'm pretty sure SMB2 was going to be an extra game theme but it was scrapped and turned into the SMB2 mushroom
You can tell a game is good when the biggest problem with the game is that there wasn’t more of it…
Not really
The biggest issue was the searchability and lack of the amiibo skins. There needed to be a more community based search for levels. Also the amiibo skins added so much to the theming, if licensing was an issue just add in the Nintendo ones. Also 3D World being isolated just limited the game feeling more new.
The lack of amiibo skins was a deal killer for me. Even if licensing issues were a thing, that should just be a harmless little pinch in the arm to Nintendo, the wealthiest company in Japan. With all the amiibo that came out after the original Super Mario Maker, the concept could've easily been expanded upon, instead of our amiibo shelves gathering dust as a result of the concept's disappearance.
Don't get me wrong, the amiibo skins were neat, but they really didn't add much, being exclusive to SMB and not having any effect other than cosmetic. They were cool for the occasional themed level, but they just aren't that important imo.
@@papaG6423 they added a lot to the potential for level themes....felt new
@@timothydarden6133 money isn't the problem its how expensive it gets
@@johnpolishimpossible2say191 For me it just made all levels be the same style; SMB1.
The biggest mistake was the 3DWorld theme being a separate thing. Why the actual hell is the fire bro exclusive to that theme when it’s been in nearly all the other represented games and would be the absolute easiest to add to those he hasn’t been in, just pallet swap the hammer bro and give him a fireball which is already present as Mario‘s and Piranha Plants main projectile
Agreed
It's even more asinine that 3DWorld theme doesn't allow enemy stacking, which is like one of that game's major gimmicks that wasn't a thing in the other games whose themes you can stack in. The things that are and aren't possible feel completely arbitrary.
They stopped supporting it because it didn't sell. You can argue that more support would have sold more units, but that's not a guarantee. Nintendo didn't see enough interest in the title, and you can't just keep throwing good money after bad.
they should have kept the costumes smh
The big issue is the online service. If it was free there like in the Wii U, this game would be more alive.
Absolutely agreed. SMM1 had free online. For the sequel, you need to pay a subscription fee to access it. This is probably the #1 reason why the game didn't become huge.
@@nowheregirl3858the most they should have at least flooded you play the courses of other
Everytime I hear Mario Maker 2, I just feel sad, I was hyped for the game, I saw the direct, I bought the cartridge. But I always enjoy what others have to say about the game. The game isn't "ruined" in a sense as it's unplayable for me, but it just feels like it was wasted. There were 3 updates, that's it, with not much stuff in between. The last update was 2 years ago, and seeing all that potential that just went down the drain... I find it odd too, like Smash Ultimate had loads of updates, that game was given love and care while SMM2 feels like it's lacking that PUSH to update the game and be hyped for new things in the game. In short, the thing that ruins the game is NOT a new extra theme, but just the lack of support. Additionally if Nintendo makes a Mario Maker 3, you bet they'll close down the SMM2 servers, specifically not letting you upload levels.
Actually the last update was 3 years ago
I have the same feeling. SMM2 is my most played game ever and I’m still very disappointed with how Nintendo treated it.
Honestly, if Nintendo really is gonna eventually close down online servers for various video games or consoles, then they should honestly just stick to solo or non-online multi-player video games. Hell, maybe even RPGs-
...Oh wait, that's Square Enix' job...
Smash “Ultimate” was a port that was missing a bunch of features.
@@JC-hi8fk no, it wasn't?
13:22 I am so honored to have one of my levels featured in this video. Thank you, Demeech for playing it, and hope you enjoyed it. I do wish this game still had a vast player base. Of course you’ll always have people like Panga or DGR Dave who will always play this game, but it becomes harder to send levels for streamers on twitch and RUclips to play, and it’s very sad because the possibilities with this game are infinite. Although I will say I personally think the super worlds need to be more fleshed out.
That was a GREAT level, and quite challenging! Thank you!
@@Demeech Same, You are my Favorite RUclipsr So it was an Honor to have you play one of my levels.
@@Demeech Irrelevant people still stream super mario maker 2. No one streams super mario maker 1 anymore. Just cause you moved on from it doesnt mean other people have.And SUper Mario Maker 2 is way better then Super Mario Maker 1.
Great level! Just played it, very cool 😅
Some time after this game's release, Nintendo have started putting online play behind a paywall, making it strictly worse than Super Mario Maker 1.
It's messed up enough that Nintendo is charging us to use our own online connections that we're already paying for, but it's even worse that you have to pay for online after having already paid full price for an essentially online-only game.
Yeah very scummy practice, just because Sony and Microsoft have it doesn't mean nintendo has to rip us off, especially since their games cost so much and never go on sale, But hey! Atleast it isn't fucking ps plus that costs 3 times as much for year and only thing that it has that online doesn't are 2 monthly games (that mostly suck, seriously i checked all ps plus offerings for last 2 years, i only got out of it 2 games, one of which went f2p later.)
Where's the critique for SMB3's lack of new music for many themes? I get the original SMB3 had the same track for many areas, but seeing no new desert or forest music disappointed me anyway.
The fact the game's MAIN PLAYING MODE, Course World, is stuck behind a paywall is IMO the main reason it didn't take off. Like, people didn't have to pay extra every year to keep Super Mario Maker 1 alive. It stayed alive because it was easy to understand and all you had to do was make, share online, look for levels, and play. In Super Mario Maker 2, making is a little more difficult, and you can't share online, or even look for and play user created levels without having to pay extra for the online service. And IMO, the Story Mode wasn't enough. If anything really needed to be updated, it was the amount of content you could play without having to go online. There's also the fact that Super Worlds, my most requested feature for the original, was not included in the game when it launched. First impressions make a big difference, so the ability to create world maps to put your levels on would've made a much bigger difference had the game launched with it, whether you consider the game finished or not. As someone who really couldn't afford to keep online going every month, I still remember the disappointment when I found out I couldn't even do the bare minimum of SHARING my levels unless I sold my soul to Nintendo. I was willing to accept not being able to play levels, but not being able to share? What was the point then?
I think the worst thing about Maker 2 is the lack of level bookmark. With SMM1, I used to find levels during the week, bookmark them and then, play them during the week-end. They were all ready in the game.
With SMM2, sure, I can note the level codes of the levels I want to play but having to write down every single code of every single level I want to play is just painful and way too time consuming (especially if you miss type)!
Sadly though, the sheer existence of SMM2 also overshadows other amazing creative games like Levelhead or Super Dungeon Maker which actually have level bookmarks!
I miss SMM1’s ability to see how levels you downloaded were constructed.
I feel like the reason this game wasn't as popular as the first was more due to how Nintendo treated the people who were trying to experiment with the game rather than the general audiences not liking it. I remember Ceave Gaming talking about how a lot of fun glitches that looked like harmless features were patched just because they didn't intend to include them or how if your level played around with those glitches, they often wouldn't allow you to upload it. It's also due to the fact that in Mario Maker 1, a lot of crazy things were possible which weren't in the sequel. Super Mario Maker 1 lived on because of those who pushed the limits of the game and wanted to prove what was possible and what wasn't. Levels that are impossible if you play an earlier version or if you die after the checkpoint, glitches that allow you to multiply enemies more than intended, levels that were so hard that they took 7 YEARS to beat and were never uploaded thanks to Nintendo's desire of shutting down the ability to upload courses because of its sequel. That's what I think made the first Mario Maker the more relevant game!
It's kinda like Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl in a way. Objectively, Brawl is the better game. It's got the better roster, better story mode and tons of new content and yet, it suffered competitively. And yes, Smash 4 and Ultimate had better competitive scenes, but Melee is still being played competitively the most because of all the techniques and the players who pushed the game to its limits. Recently, aMSa rised in the community as a Yoshi main and even proved that, despite his flaws, his character is legitmately viable, like how HungryBox did with Jigglypuff (not sure if he has won a major yet tho, I didn't keep up with competitive Melee).
They really should’ve done a super Mario land 2 style. It would’ve saved them.
Or maybe just simply support the game for more than a year
@@ThatGuyLegend and even that support was isolated to like 2 update dumps if memory serves me.
@@johnpolishimpossible2say191yes there was two updates 6 months apart and that was it. what they should have done was keep updating the game every two months and gave the game support for at least 2-3 years to keep the player base alive.
No it wouldn’t lol. It would’ve been neat and made some people happy but they’d need like a super Mario odyssey theme or something to make like millions of people hyped to go buy it now
@@IceBlueLugia i mean it would've helped keep the community there that loves Mario maker 2. like if in one update they bring back the amibo mushroom and all the costumes aside from original link. that would make the community happy as well as an music maker for separate levels and completely fix the 3d world style. but you are right as well, if Nintendo added an Mario odyssey and Yoshi island as new game styles in a update that would be huge and help Mario maker more.
The best aspect of Wonder is the expressive animation imo. The fact that they finally animated Mario entering a pipe instead of just sliding him up is huge
It really is a shame because mario maker 1 and 2 could have been something incredible but sadly they just lack so much content to make decent levels . So many requested themes never showed up either it just feels like a missed opportunity
Ngl Super Mario Maker 2 is a way better sequel than Super Mario Maker 1 but the thing 1 did better than 2 is keep me hooked idk how many years I played that game without getting bored the level editor was so fun, playing with the letters on the title screen was fun, the minigames, collecting amiibo costumes was fun (which is literally the only reason I bought amiibo was bc of the cool skins). But after like a year and a half of playing Super Mario Maker 2 I abandoned it which is the issue with the game like Super Mario Maker was so exciting bc nobody has ever seen anything like it. I played that game for over 3 years every day because I loved it and somehow the 3DS port kept me hooked longer than 2 did aswell ik people hate the 3DS port but I have a soft spot for it because it was the first version I ever played plus it was Mario Maker on the go I loved creating my own levels to play and I also loved the story mode and trying to get the medals me and my dad spent a lot of time together playing that game. I remember also playing the wii u version on road trips and vacations because it was so much fun. Super Mario Maker 2 I was so hyped for and couldn't wait to play it but after the first year it slowly started to fade away and I barely revisit it anymore. So yes SMM2 is the better game but SMM1 kept people hooked for a very long time. People still play it to this day which is pretty crazy. I am still sad to this day that my favorite wii u game of all time is completely dead, but all good things must come to an end.
10:44 Dude, thanks a lot for featuring my rendition of the level from the Mario 3 Genesis bootleg. I really appreciate it! :'D It makes me overjoyed, to say the least but I'm more than glad that you enjoyed it that much.
HET
Honestly, many of the issues you mentioned were a factor, but I think Ceave Gaming had a good point when he talked about a lot of the technical level from Maker 1 not being possible in Maker 2. You simply can't create a good calculator in Maker 2 like you can make one in Maker 1, etc. These technical levels were part of the joy of watching people play Maker 1 and it's a shame they can't really be remade in Maker 2, when many of these former viewers can finally experience the levels themselves.
Something that few people realize is the lack of Miiverse.
Miiverse was amazing for a game like Super Mario Maker, a place where people could share the levels they made or comment on other levels. It made everything feel so much more social.
This is the game that needs the extended DLC treatment that Mario Kart 8 is getting.. Would help it so much.
Thank you so much for featuring my level! I really hope you enjoyed it. 7:14 Unfortunately, Mario Maker is a type of game that requires a lot of patience when building levels, and lately I haven't had the motivation to finish the super world.
yup i wanted to make a super world too but theres no motivation to make it
Thank you too!
Ive made quite a few super worlds,but usually they get worse the further they go because of lack of motivation.
IMO, the biggest missteps with SMM2 were a) the lack of a website where you could bookmark and link to levels, and b) they removed the feature where you could look at other people's levels in the editor. The former made it so much more convenient to play levels you see in a video, while the latter was such a cool way to see how other levels worked. The latter is especially disappointing given that SMM2 is so much more contraption-oriented.
ngl, I thought there would be a fury segment. But I guess the lack thereof reflects your own feelings towards the game: disappointed, but not irritated. I'm guessing none of the flaws you pointed out during the video completely ruin their corresponding features, either, just hold them back in some capacity.
An outstanding game that nonetheless still needed more dev love
Thank you so much!
Who remembers waiting for the checkpoint update in Mario Maker 1 for the Wii U?
Amazing retrospective as always, I also have a suggestion: how about doing a live stream where you play our levels?
That's a good idea!
This game failed me on a simple basic level. I was an amiibo collector when it came out, however not owning a Wii U meant I never got to try out the amiibo costumes in Mario Maker. Them removing the costumes for no reason in the sequel was a big blow to my overall enjoyment.
I prefer 2 by far, spent over 4k hours in the game. It has so much more, and I can get around to using it.
2 has much greater potential but it was hindered by 1 being novelty.
I am so sad that SMM2 is in decline. I remember getting it on launch day, going as far as pre-ordering it and I loved it and still do. So it is a real shame to me.
I personally played the heck out of the first game, and when I got my Switch, my second game was Super Mario Maker 2. So it's important to my switch life. But for me, it was pretty obnoxious to make levels, I found it really boring and weird, unlike the first game, where it would be great (specially with the gamepad).
A creative community will be formed regardless of Nintendo's input. The main issue of SMM2 is locking the online sharing behind a paywall. Not everyone will be making new levels, they will play the offline portion and download user made levels. If they can't download anything because they don't have NSO, they lose interest. If anyone wanting to share levels with the world don't have NSO, they lose interest.
Also, it is a Switch exclusive game. Despite being a popular console, these kinds of games are most played with mouse on PC.
You nailed on every criticism of SMM2 on the long road. And let me say it, if Nintendo gave SMM 2 10~20% of the support they gave to Super Smash Bros Ultimate, the game would be infinitely better, because, what we got? Link, SMB 2 Power-up's, Super Worlds and Ninji Speedruns.
And on a irony case, it's kinda the same philosophy Nintendo gave to their sports games on Switch, but in reverse. A game released complete, but with almost no post content.
I wish Nintendo weren't so out of touch with modern gaming. SMM2 should have had regular updates like Minecraft does over 10 years after release.
They should have port the first super mario maker to the switch
Each player getting their own screen in a 2D co-op game is a godsend that Sonic Advance 3 and Super Mario Maker 2 features
It’s a shame you don’t see that often in other titles
I feel like SMM2 ended so soon because Nintendo EPD 10 (the 2D Mario and Modern Pikmin devs) wanted to focus their time on Mario Bros. Wonder and Pikmin 4, kinda like how EPD 5 probably ended ACNH early to focus on Splatoon 3.
I have a theory as to why the multiplayer sucks so badly:
It’s not Nintendo’s servers, it’s the players’ connections. You see, the game is only as fast as the player with the worst connection, to accommodate that player’s bad connection.
The switch is also a portable console, and so it often is brought into places with little to no WiFi. This leads to the bad connection, and the suffering of EVERYONE rather than the guy wth the bad internet.
You can actually confirm this by watching the guy with the bad connection leave, and suddenly right afterwards the game speeds right back up to normal.
One of the things I've heard is that SMM2 did not meet Nintendo's sales expectations. Despite the Switch doing super hot, not a lot of people seemed to attach themselves to SMM2 the way they did SMM1.
It could be for the reasons you stated in the video, some things 1 had that 2 got rid of or did worse. Could be the lack of a bookmarking site that made loading up levels you found on the internet a simple task. Somehow I think Nintendo got the idea that adding new content and updates were predicated on the game doing well sales-wise, within Nintendo's predictions. Really, those updates are probably what could've drove the numbers Ninty was chasing. But then again, I'm just bitter about the lack of a Hammer Suit in SMB3. And Tanooki Suit. And P-Wings, for that matter. God dammit, there was just so many more things SMM2 could've had and Nintendo killed that dream early.
I'm surprised you didn't mention how the stone block and toad escorts in story mode aren't available in the level editor, and how Fire Bros are exclusive to 3D World for some reason.
Don't forget the porcupuffer too when it originated in Super Mario World and it's only in 3D World for some reason.
Good point. I am not entirely sure why Nintendo would bring in the Snow and Forest themes, but not the Tower, Mountain, Beach and Volcano themes.
An amazing informative retrospective. I hope Super Mario Maker 3 is an even better experience
Not going to happen. New 2D Mario is happening
@@dreamsdeep1076 I know but when it eventually happens. I'm glad we're done with the new Super Mario Bros era
Thank you so much man! Glad you liked it.
@@dreamsdeep1076 Ah not so fast you have to think about the super switch in mind but if you're talking about the current one remember extra game styles I don't think that's a typo anymore (hint hint😉)
I think one of the two big factors impacting how much attention Mario Maker 2 got is that the first one did good enough that people got their fill on the concept of custom mario stages, and experienced all the ups and downs that you'd get from that. All the features in SMM2 appealed more to people that were big fans of the game, but not enough to push it to new heights than what was seen in 1. Trying to point at all the features that were added and those that were cut, are aspects that matter more to people that were going to buy and play it heavily regardless of how the game turned out, while the majority of the casual audience "oh, I'd rather have a normal 2D Mario again, I'm good." Cause like, regardless of how many tools are added, and how many talented people you have contributing to the game, you're always going to deal with 4-9 stinkers before getting to a level that's executing it's idea well, and that's not assuming the idea it's going for is even one you enjoy.
The second factor is that SMM2 came out on a good system. The Switch has more than a handful of games you could enjoy playing being released each year. I think SMM1 did about the most you could expect with the Wii U without getting into gimmicky territory, and with how few decent titles it got, you could always go back to that title because, well, infinite levels. As someone who got both games, I just don't really see myself returning to 2. I barely even hear my friends talk about it beyond the year it came out.
I'll also say the lack of fun custom sprite swaps to unlock over time made it less fun to replay. It's a small, dumb goal, but it's at least something to look forward to after the fiftieth Hold Right To Win stage
It still annoys me that this game sold less than NSMBU Deluxe
28:25 Thank you so much for featuring my level in the video, I really hope you enjoyed it. :)
Nice work!
@@Demeech Thx
Super mario maker wii u main theme of amiibo costumes is the main reason why I purchased it. I loved making run through levels with and especially splatoon theme levels.
The sequal removed that and sure improved the title in many different ways but the main reason on why I loved mario maker was the costume level themes and I am more a level builder then level player, the costumes is a heavy motivated narrative for me to make levels.
The online co op / online play with other players was awful at launch and it was a slide show whenever I played with viewers and after two streams I was done with the title.
The story mode is fun but heavily bland / boring in my opinion and I did not want to continue it, as I stopped playing it around fifty or sixty percent completed castle ranking. It was not enjoyable for me. Wii U Mario Maker is heavily superior in my opinion.
It's here
I remember crying in the original Mario Maker 1 Nintendo deleted my level for not being popular enough
This is one of my shorter reviews mostly cause I rather to keep stuff short, yes I do think super mario maker 2 is overall an improvment over super mario maker 1 in most cases, a new style, more enemies and stuff to mess around with, bosses, and power ups even though I wish amiibo mushrooms would show up, the story mode is solid and I say is an intresting one to say the least my main issue with SMM2 is how laggy the online co op like I so some in YT a lot back then, but for more stuff is overall feel like missed potential the game had a lot of stuff around and while it can be the worst mario game in the worng hands it can be the best but it seems like nintendo stop support the game I feel is mostly due to 2020 being 2020 but also for maybe a poor corporate decision the game get the rank of mid A tier still worthwhile to play but still kinda wish it would get more updates or a sequel would have come to give what have could be in 2 but is more than likley be on the next console more than anything *sigh*
But to end on a high note I say you defenitley show ambition and care to your retrospect gator boi keep it up I am sure look for what be next
it just sucks cause of the fact they stopped updating for no reason at all,
i just hope mario maker 3 becomes better (if it ever comes out)
and maybe JUST maybe, we get an actual smb2 style.
I mean cmon Nintendo
i love you guys
but SMB2 not having a lot stuff traditional mario games had isn't an excuse for not having an smb2 style, just make new assets damn it.
Also
the online levels need some kind of moderation
they all suck
and are toooo difficult and unfun
*Luigi nerd activated*
also, why tf are the luigi sprites in smb1 and 3 just pallette swaps, they were like that in the original but so was with smw, so why couldn't they just make better sprites, they have no excuse for it since they made some for toadette and toad
Agreed And as for 4P races you can thank crowd bais for that one I guess speed runner just don't want to slow down and think for a split second before advancing so from one player to another upvote all the fun ones you can find in online multiplayer and just downvote all the 4P VS courses they've made by the dozens
you'll thank me for it later.
One reason it went wrong is because of having to pay for an online membership compared to the original you didn't have to.
You can play levels online in local multiplayer, just not in endless challenge or vs mode. I used to do it a lot because my friends didn't wanna play mario kart or mario party (for some reason)
Another great video, as always. I wish I watched it much, much earlier. Nice to see a retrospective that isn’t exactly all for the pros or the cons. Of course, many thanks for bothering to feature my level at 2:43 , it means a lot.
Hoping to see many more high quality retrospectives in the future.
Really happy to see my level (The House in the Level) made it into the video! Good Video Demeech!
I bought MM1 day one and loved it-played it until 2019. I bought MM2 and I just couldn’t get used to the level designer UI-it felt so clunky to use, difficult to keep track of where everything was, and much less intuitive than the original’s menus. Even if it was designed for a controller, I think they did a very poor job at it, which is mostly why I stopped playing after only a couple months. I do still very much enjoy watching folks play the game though, but I just don’t enjoy playing it myself anymore, making my own levels or playing others’.
Dear demeech, are you gonna do a trash or treasure on sonic origins plus?
Please do
Here what I would have changed/added. I would make SMB2 a full game style, though I'm still glad we got the powerup at least. I want a Samus Suit power up, and for it, Link, and SMB2 you should be able to start the level with them and not lose them when hit. Same screen multiplayer is difficult to survive in since players bump eachother out of the way instead of overlaping. I would allow player overlap especially if players share a screen. With world maker mode the levels needed multiple goal posts so the world map would unlock the route you took, and leave the other locked. For nonlinear routes you need more than 5 levels per world allowed. Without this world maker does not really affect gameplay in any meaningful way. I agree on name searching levels, but also wish there were better level tags such as: multiroute/non-linear, linear, SMB2, Cape Mario, coin collect mission, optional red coins, key level, kaiso, ect. Finally allowing as many checkpoints as you want in a level. There's some other things, but these seem like they should have been there.
28:48 Thanks for featuring my level Demeech!
Anytime!
Whats worse is mario party superstars did incredibly well and fans loved it. Yet it didn't get ANY updates or post launch content at all.. thats a worse thing than what happend to maker 2. Nintendos backwards thinking and nonsense decisions p*ss me off..🙄
What killed it for me is how the online was handled. You want to make me pay to upload and play levels online? That's stupid but go ahead. However, give me a stable multiplayer because it was something else man...
The game itself is good, but the mandatory online subscription to even play the main part of a game that already costs 60 bucks just killed it from the get-go, at least for me.
Fun fact, before the Link powerup was introduced I predicted that it was gonna be a Zelda game style - fans were wanting a Zelda maker, so that could've been Nintendo's way of "kinda" giving it to us - and I felt so cool for predicting Zelda content being added to the game, albeit it's not exactly what I thought they'd do with it.
What is you guys best music for each theme
SMB
-Desert-Day and night
-Underground-Day
-Ghost house-Night
-Airship-Day
-Castle-Day
SMB3
Sky-Day and night
Ghost house-Day
SMW
Ground-Day and Night
Ghost house-Night
Snow-Day and night
Castle-Day
SMBU
Ground-Day and Night
Underground-Day
Sky-Day and Night
Ghost house-Day
Desert-Day
Airship-Day
Snow-Day
Castle-Day
I really hated how you had to have switch online too
Thanks for featuring my course in the video!
(10:14)
There's just something about ur voice that is so iconic and I love it every time I watch a demeech video, really separates from the rest
Thanks man!
I still play it, It is my most played switch game, and I enjoy it a lot. Online multiplayer has gotten better and it loads up lobbies fast with active players
Super Mario Maker 2's final update added so much I wanted, especially Super Worlds and the Koopalings. But the game definitely has some missed potential like the lack of diagonal pipes and placeable water/lava/poison tiles. I also think that despite being more fun to play than the original due to so many new features, the first Super Mario Maker was more fun to make it due to how intuitive it felt to use the Wii U Gamepad.
I don't know how to describe Mario Maker 1 versus 2 other than that 2 just feels like a regular game whereas 1 is very weird and it's that lack of weirdness that makes me not like Maker 2 as much.
The random mushroom being gone make sense because they would have to somehow acquire all the licenses for all the weird suits again but other than that All the weird things that are missing don't need to be missing.
Also some people say the original wiremaker had a better level editor and in some ways yes in some ways no but there should be a more touchscreen optimized interface that you can select when using it in handheld mode.
Did you end up beating my level ludwig's sky castle demeech? I'm curious cause it's pretty difficult for me
I didn't
Honestly the only reason I stopped playing was because I didn't feel like it was worth paying for nintendo switch online and I really wished there were additional game styles. New Super mario bros Ds or Mario Land 2 would've been my picks.
I think that it’s because Mario was the first game that you could make levels on, so there was more hype
I agree with most of your points
However i disagree with your apparent need for a music creator. Because at that point it strays away from being mario. When you remove the identity of the game it just becomes another game builder garage. And we all know how well THAT did
22:14 You did the classic!? Mario 3 around the world!? That's amazing of you Demeech ❤
how long did this video take
I’ve been saying this for so long. It makes me SO ANGRY.
I got this game on release. I was extremely excited to see what they would add. BUT NINTENDO JUST. ABANDOND SHIP???
So many things I wanted like the super Mario bros 2 style was just never added.
Still not as bad of how Nintendo completely ruined animal crossing new horizons with updates. Animal crossing new leaf is just superior in every way. And everyone agrees
Only Nintendo could somehow make people lose interest in one of the best games on Switch.
Mario Maker 2 was a great idea but spread a bit too thin. I would love just a Super Mario World Maker, or a Super Mario Bros NES Maker with every sprite from those games available to use. You can't even recreate the first levels in Super Mario World correctly because most of the enemies and features of those games are missing.
Definitely one of my most anticipated Demeech videos
What did you think?
I enjoyed thanks for making this! It’s my most played Switch game.
The angry sun on the new sup style is also funny because it looks like it's the type of angry that's so angry that it has had enough and doesn't have the time to make an angry face, it's just done with life and wants to focus on destroying the life it has supported for millions of years.
31:21 thanks for featuring my level, feels cool to see it in an actual video! Nice retrospective.
Nice work!
@@Demeech thanks man!
You can actually play online levels in co-op now, they fixed it in an update a couple years ago.
There were a ton of weird decisions for this game and it felt very rushed.
Do they make styluses for switch?
No, but since the Switch has a touch screen, they should.
Mario Maker 2 is definitely massive a step up from the original especially in terms of the level-building aspect, but its missed potential just can't be ignored. Also, you caught me offguard at 23:33.
When they make Super Mario Maker 3, its going to be revolutionary, just like SMM1 and SMM2 were. Its just a matter of when. I'd love to see it release with the next console. who knows? maybe it will even be like Super Mario Maker 3D or something super crazy. we haven't had a mario 3d game since...2017? unless you count bowsers fury.
The stage creator is way worse than on the wii u, its clunky, using a controller is horrible and using the switch in handheld does not work well for creation, the wii u version was a 10/10, this is a 4/10. Oh and the story mode is awful and having 3D world be completely separate is laughable.
Sad how Nintendo just kinda abandoned this game and stop updating it.
I love this game, I haven't played any other game on my switch besides this for a solid few months now, and I still haven't gotten tired of it! I love Platforming, Kaizo, and Troll levels (If they aren't to challenging) But with those levels being so high in numbers (Along with Satisfying levels and music levels) there aren't as many regular classic levels for people to play, and that's how I think people started to not play it as much.
the only reason why I wasn't interested in Mario Maker, is because I rather play Super Mario Legend or any other mario fangames on Dreams or romhacks. They provide much more freedom to creativity.
Super Mario Maker the first came out in 2015 and had level codes, and they were considered archaic even in 2015.
All we have now are music speedruns and refreshers…
The dealbreakers for me were my, at the time, lack of use of handheld mode, the endless challenge replacing 100 Mario challenge, the multiplayer being virtually unplayable for me, and the lack of an online community to share levels. I am frustrated with a lot of the shifts Nintendo has made since moving to switch. It genuinely feels like theyve become far more money obsessed, and less interested in pleasing consumers, not to mention what feels like spite toward the Wii U.
I agree with you about the New Angry Sun, it's cool
Ya know it's funny warioware diy did all the things i wish mario maker had done which was give full creativity to the player and a music maker
With Mario maker 1, I got bored of it after many years of playing and there was nothing to do. But with mario maker 2, I still enjoy the game and there's so much to do, even to this day.
Literally the only issue was the peer to peer servers that was the main draw to the sequel was the onlne play but it was god aweul and people moved on. Everyone is sick of non working experiences in gaming across the board your not gonna keep people playing if it doesnt even work.
The dealbreaker for me is having to pay for nitendo online just to play player created levels. its soo stupid that you need a online subscription just to play player created content. tbh who really botheres with nintendo online ? like theres only 3 or 4 games that are worth playing online and even then i wouldnt really say its worth paying for just to play a few smash bros / mario kart games. It really is a offput for alot of nintendos games for me that have online stuff cus theres no way they will ever be able to keep up with sony and microsoft in terms of actuly making the online subscription worth the price and thats before i even mention the stupid voice chat thing that for some reason they think useing a phone to voice chat was a good idea.
24:04 Also you can play online levels but even so, local multiplayer sucks due to the lack of bubble button and the lack of zoom out screen so if some player is less skillful than others can kill himself and the others due to what I have explained before
Mario Maker 3DS - What a disappointment with so much lost potential...
"Oh! You guys seem to really like this Mario Maker game on The wii-U where you can create your own levels and share them with the world, including your friends?! We hear ya! We got ya!" - *proceeds to make the 3DS version* - "HERE YOU GO!!! You can totally make your own levels on the go! Except... you know that whole point of the first game where you can share those levels? Yea, that part wasn't necessary was it? I mean, you clearly want to be the ONLY person that plays those amazing levels you spent hours building for yourself, right?"
"What? Easily share levels with people online, or even directly with your friends you have around the world, using a code-system or database? Why would you need that, when you can (only) SHARE DIRECTLY FROM SYSTEM TO SYSTEM, or with StreetPass [which didn't even work well back then]. You all just silly, thinking you needed that."
... is what they must have been thinking on that one...
I repeat, "What a disappointment!"
It would be cool if the next Mario Maker Game was in like an open world environment instead of being a sidescrolling platformer all the time. Being able to create your own levels but in Open World Form.