Atheist Experience 22.42 with Matt Dillahunty & Jen Peeples & Truth Wanted Encore Premiere @ 6pm
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- 6:50 Jeff: Philadelphia, PA: Everyone Has Faith, Science Relies on God, Design
29:20 Traci: Tulare, CA: Faith, Childlike Belief, Joyce Meyer
45:45 Tony: New York, NY: Expanding the Definition of Atheism
58:40 Sam: Washington, DC: Stop Discussing Hebrews 11:1, Hardening Pharaoh's Heart
1:16:40 Eric: St. Louis, MO: Former Christian Asking About Souls, Supernatural
1:28:40 Mark: Philadelphia, PA: Why Do People Convert During Trying Times?
The Atheist Experience episode 22.42 for October 21, 2018, with Matt Dillahunty and Jen Peeples. Viewer Calls. Matt and Jen take callers after talking about chicken pox and herd immunity. Truth Wanted with ObjectivelyDan will stream directly after the show. Truth Wanted will then move to its' regularly scheduled time: every Friday at 6pm CT. Subscribe to Truth Wanted @ / truthwanted
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The story of evolution and the diversity of life is so much more wonderful and inspiring than saying god did it.
I agree. I am constantly amazed by nature and the forces that shape our existence. Just saying oh some evil cosmic santa claus did it is lazy.
@@joecoolioness6399 best way to remind yourself how your ideas about potential aliens or 'next layer physics' only is held back by your own limited imagination... just look into all the borderline fantasy stuff natural selection caused creatures to become capable of doing.... from deep seas to high altitude or even 'mellow' areas without any extremes.
personally always found that to.... and understanding how endless the amounts of 'patterns' and potential creatures there can be due to how the 'threads' knits togheter so to speak....is just such a glorious endless constantly dynamic changing canvas of a painting.
then just ''all powerful thing mushed you out of clay and magicked you to life and nothing can exist that this entity not 'makes'....such a limited canvas not to mention such a small 'set in stone' colour palette :/
It's obvious we're monkeys.
@@seivaDsugnA to say were monkeys shows a lack of understanding. We have common ancestors.
I love it when Jen Peeples is on, she is so articulate, informed and reasonable. Nothing seems to get to her and she just shuffles people along when they ramble.
Yes, but the real double-barreled team is when she is with Tracie!
sleepy314, Absolutely.
.My favourite thing about Jen is the look on her face when a caller is talking nonsense.
I wish Jen Peeples was my next-door-neighbor :-)
She's so stuck-up though
I was in a hospital bed for days waiting for the doctors to figure out if I had cancer or not and at no point did I ever think of God let alone ask him for anything. Turned out it wasn't cancer so praise the lord 😂😂
Jeff's call: Matt's accumen is incredible. His ability to keep a caller on topic and drill down is phenonenal.
Yeah, holy crap. Jeff tried every trick in the book but had no chance in hell.
No it is super natural.
How can a person like Jeff even think he has some sort of footing, with horrible practices in logic?
I love Matt. Keep doing what you do, Matt.
I like Traci. She seems very genuine and taking the biggest step of all, questioning her belief. That takes alot more courage, intelligence, and confidence in herself to do that. Types of people like this are refreshing to have a conversation with. You go girl!
Caller #2 was an intelligent caller and conversation. Especially interesting was the comment she made about Matt and Jen being intelligent people, and the conversation that followed. It's not about having more intelligence, it's about applying rational thought. This can be done by anyone. As Matt has said before, his IQ was the same while he was Christian - then he applied rational thinking. Questioning, doubting - as Jen said - is a powerful tool... but it must be applied.
Yes, too many atheists forget that many among them had a least a foray into the world of self-delusion and co-enabling.
Alan Dershowitz has a book about why Intelligent people can believe weird things.
I'm an atheist in a foxhole! Getting ready to head home from an Army tour in Afghanistan as I type this! Plenty of moments I feared for my life this year.
Why did you volunteer to take part in an illegal war against a country that never attacked us?
First, thank you for your service. Second, I'm glad you're safe and you are getting to go home. Take care of yourself. Thank you again.
Thank you! I'm excited, but nervous to get back home. I have a 16-month old to help raise, which I think will be tougher than anything I encountered this year. My wife and I struggled a long time to have a child, then I got called away from home shortly after our son's arrival. I've stayed in touch pretty well though video calls, and I'm completely in love, but also feel like I don't know him yet. In a way, our relationship feels mythical to me. I'm scared I won't be a good dad. My wife and I are the only two skeptics of our immediate families too, which can make things weird with the in-laws and grandparents (deeply Evangelical). Military life is much simpler than all of that.
(Mike) It's great you're safe and coming home. It's also great your wife's an atheist, too, so you're both seeing the world with the same sensibilities without a religious conflict. My dad had to miss my first couple of birthdays (and my sister's) due to Vietnam, but he raised us well when he got home. Everything worked out and it likely will for you, your wife and your son. Just give it time and be patient with yourself; you'll feel connected to him again, I'm sure.
Btw, have you heard of MAAF? It's a group based in D.C. that serves as support nationwide for atheists who've been in the military. You might check them out, if you haven't heard of them. A link is found in the freethoughts blog or the ACA main page.
Good luck and all the best!
@@sunsetpalms1923 Soldiers don't have a choice of wars to take a part in. Hate the people that send the soldiers not the soldiers.
It is obvious that Jeff has NOT been using his brain since the last time he called the show. Come on Jeff, you can do it! I thought Matt brought his A game and opened up a can of Logic Whoop ass.
Matt did indeed make him look foolish but the snowflakes didnt like it as they thought Matt was too aggressive
Jeff is talking nonsense. Matt has owned a theist...again
You know someone is a dishonest moron when, having been afforded ample opportunity to make 101 stupid claims, they complain that they’ve not had the chance to talk. Yes Jeff, you have had the chance to talk - that’s your problem.
Jeff was just completely indoctrinated and hadn't yet learned to think outside of the Christian tropes.
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That’s an interesting claim.
Please provide evidence that snowflakes had issues with how Matt handled this call…
I know God exists because I see things, and I know God made them because of The Bible and I know The Bible is true because I see things. Matt must be happy he doesn't have hair to pull out.
You forgot to present any evidence to support your claims, so I am dismissing all your claims.
What leads you to believe that he hasn't already pulled it out already?
What hair ☠️
I shave my head, so pulling my hair out is not an option. 🙄
Ending your senseless statement with a shallow insult is a really christian thing to do.
hahaha the laughing in the background makes this show.
I always thought there was something wrong with religion when you can't ask questions. In Catholic school believe me you were not allowed to question anything!
This is the first thing about Christianity that caused me to be a non-believer as a child during my attempted indoctrination. I suppose being a strong-willed child who thought that adults were full of it, was of a baser nature but if I had questions about anything but was told to STFU and just accept it, then that meant that I was going to do the opposite, even if it was just out of spite for being dismissed because I wasn't thought of as capable of understanding.
@@soonerarrow I was a very quiet child but I did think about things a lot. Some of the junk the nuns would tell us in school I just couldn't believe it. As early as first and second grade I was thinking this stuff can't be true. Like the day the teacher ( nun) said any children who aren't Catholic are going to hell. I was shocked and couldn't believe that could be true. Of course I knew better than to question anything they would say because I was so fearful of those nuns. They weren't nice at all. Seems like a lot of people would rather give their thinking over to someone else and just do as they are told.
@@crystalheart9 Yeah, it's much easier to be intellectually lazy and just say you've turned everything over to God. _"It's in His hands."_ makes me want to slap them silly. I wouldn't do that but it would feel good. 😒
I believe Jeff is a round, circular shaped circle that talks about round circular circly circles that are shaped like round circular circles.
That is all we will ever get out of him. This type of non-thinking is the fruit of religion.
I lol'd at this :D
I choked on my sandwich.
Why do people like you talk in circles is it because you don’t have nothing intelligent to say so you talk in such a I don’t know add your own words
There's always callers that pretend to be atheist but are theist. 😂
This is Traci's third time calling in (I think), her real issue seems to be trusting people based on their belief. It started with God, then her grandmother, mother and now Joyce Meyers. The fact that someone believes in (or preaches about) immoral narcissistic manipulative sky boss, doesn't make them more trustworthy or respectable than anyone else.
People can and do manipulate others for their own selfish reasons, and its totally fine (even healthy) to restrict or ignore those types of relationships in YOUR life.
Admittedly I really enjoyed traci's personality and I hope she calls back soon
Gotta give her credit for exploring it rather than just accepting it all on faith.
@@MusicGunn It took me two years of my own investigating to come to the conclusion that what I had believed for 40 some years of my life was all wrong. It's a process and to this day, I look at it at as one of the most difficult decisions of my life. I was very involved in the church and my shy little girl was doing very well at the xtian school she was attending. Coming to the conclusion that you don't believe in god any more is the easy part. Informing your friends and family can be just awful. You can tell that she is aware of that and struggling with it.
j s s .
As a child and well into adulthood I never ever thought I was despise religion as I do present day!
I'm anti religion. I wasn't until social media came along and made me a born again atheist. It's insidiousness makes me have this hard hatred towards these people. I'm not a vindictive person per se but I hope that an alien life form comes along and enslaves them all under the umbrella of being their God. Us atheists will finally have some peace and quiet.
If they complain that we didn't hang, we can then tell them that we prayed to their God for righteous deliverance of justice.
I bet they batch about that too.
Apologetics:
An intelligent being couldn't have just happened by itself, but a being can pre-exist that is super-intelligent, even though I just said that can't happen.
Something can't come from nothing, but there is a being that can make something from nothing, even though I just said that can't happen.
Nothing can be eternal, but there is a being that is eternal even though I just said that can't be.
Lol, brilliant.
When theists make the “common sense” argument, I remind them that many things, such as quantum mechanics, are counterintuitive and that humans evolved to recognize medium-sized objects on the African savanna. On the scale of the very large or the very small, common sense doesn’t apply. (This comment references the first caller, Jeff from Philadelphia).
I know Santa Claus is real because people are bad and good and Santa's scriptures mentions this so...
makes as much sense as the theists lol
He left me presents as a kid. Santa confirmed!
Just like bible.
Don't you mean the Babble because that's just what it is
Do dyslexic kids write letters to Satan?
Traci reminds me of Eric Foreman's mom on that 70's show!
omg she did, lol :)
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@@davidhunt7249 so faaaar
@@davidhunt7249 yeah. So far.
Ah - atheists have faith. Not that one again.
I deal with that one ridiculously often.
The old faith equivocation is a well used and well worn tactic. It is kind of slimy and slippery, as it comes over as being reasonable to someone who has not come across it and thought about it. Especially from a particularly skilled sophist or apologist.
Of course, when one has thought about it, or had it clearly pointed out, it quickly becomes clear how disingenuous and dishonest it actually is. Though of course they have a few side roads and escape routes they can use to pivot or obfuscate.
It's always better to avoid stating that there are no gods as this will lead to a shift in the burdon of proof. Even so there is far more justification for stating that no gods exist that that god does exist. One should be the default position - that something, particularly something supernatural, is not considered to exist until proven so. The other position requires verification.
Of course they do...they believe in stuff they can't prove. Like the theory of an explosion giving birth to humans over time.
@@raditzsayayin7481 The consensus of science has established a theory about how the universe began based on observation of empirical data. This is not something that atheists alone tend to accept and many theists also accept that this is the best model we have to explain how the universe started. It requires no leap of faith and accepts that as more evidence is found this model could change. Upon what do theists base their faith in a supernatural god as the originator of
the universe?
I quote, "Your science...." Excuse me...YOUR SCIENCE.
Since you distrust science so much then:
- Stop using you car
- Unplug your oven and stove
- Turn off all your GPS devices
- Get rid of hydro
Anothony and Dan are really great together. They both have taught me a lot about how to examine my beliefs and epistemology. This method should be taught to children in school as early As possible.
Thank you, AE gang, for another great show! In response to "Mark in Philadelphia" and "No atheists in foxholes," I have been fighting caner for a year now. I receive chemo every three weeks. I would walk (or at times, roll) into hospital, sit in a big chair, look up to see a crucifix on the wall in front of me. Nuns would walk around with crosses hanging from their belts and around their necks and stop to chat with you. "Where is your Bible? Do you need a Bible?" was always the conversation starter. I started carrying my copy of "Hitcher's Guild to the Galaxy", that I had in a cloth cover, that had gold leaf on the edges of the pages. (Looked just like a Bible! XD) But-to-the-point, I felt very uncomfortable thinking about how these people were so proud of a torture device. A TORTURE DEVICE, right? NEVER once did I give "GOD" a second thought, Not once! Never "turned to God" for help, never even entered my mind. I transferred my treatments to a secular hospital and I think I made the right choice. Much happier there. The program seems to fit me better (and my doctors agree). I will be finished with chemo by the end of the year (YEAH!!) then on to the next step. Thank you all, this show has been more help to me, than all the "Sisters" in town!
Random Person, I wish you the best of luck with your battle with cancer. If only we could treat Christians with chemicals...
Steve Treloar, Thank you so much. It would seem that Christianity is like some cancer......trying to take over the life of all humans. Sad, really, the folk who can't exorcize it from their mind and body.
(Steve) Dat's funny, but I don't think I'll "like" it. If I did, I think I may be endorsing some form of Nazi regime Social Darwinism.
Thank you, Fredrik. Nearly finished treatments now, so we will see what happens next.
Thanks for sharing. I hope all is well now.
I, for one, love mean Matt.
Matt has way more patience than me, and I consider myself a very patient man.
I don't know, he seemed to be less patient in this one.
I was listening to this on my car drive home and I was fucking screaming at the callers for being so stupid. I could never host this show...good on Matt for not throwing chairs....cause I would have....
I got news for ya, you’re not very patient.
@@larjkok1184
You don't know me at all.
@@larjkok1184 you're
I love hearin' Matt get maaaad! I really do. I feel ya and love ya, Matt!
Meeeeee too!!
"Space dragon"? There is no "space dragon", it's a Kraken. KRAKEN!
I luv the reactions of the studio crew!! It’s always honest!
How do I explain to my incredibly sweet and loving mother that my abandonment of faith wasn't her fault? I know she won't ever understand why I left. I didn't have a great experience with the church. I was in an ACE Christian private school, and had a horrible experience. My mother worked at the school, but she was one of the only genuinely kind and loving people who worked there. To make a long story short. The head pastor of the church that ran the school was the definition of a cult leader, who eventually got ousted for sleeping with the other member's wives. My mother knew nothing about any of this, and was under the control of this cult leader. I know she experiences intense grief because several of my siblings and my father have all left the faith. I know she blames herself because of the negative experiences we had, and believes that's why we're no longer Christian. I love her very much, and I want to spare her this pain, but I know she will never see things my way. I just hate that she cries herself to sleep, believing that the people she loves the most are going to hell.
Can’t wait to watch both earlier videos. I’m a fan of both Anthony & Dan.
I encountered one of the best examples of evolution while working on a exotic bird farm.
The bird I will refer to is the Hawaiian Goose. This bird is a relative of the Canadian goose. It is not native to the Hawaiian Islands.
It flew there. Since the birds arrival man has watched this birds changes and evolution as it adapted to this new environment and warmer
climate.
Changes this goose has undergone that man has watched are that due to this birds living fat on the hog in an environment where there is no real natural predators. This goose no longer can fly as typical geese, it is a very poor swimmer and can actually drown. It is slow and cumbersome as well as clumsy on land. Its general markings that made it look similar to that of its relative the Canadian Goose. It evolved into a bird of a different colors. Colors that attracted mates but also man in hunt for its feathers.
It is simple.. Evolution is a factual process,, it happens.
It's kinda cool how this video shows the transition from one show to the next. This is a rare gem.
I love it when Tracy (the theist) calls in!
Was it just me or did she seem to brighten Matt's mood, lol? I may be trippin'
Matt can really see how she's slowly progressing every time she calls in. It's clear she's having a difficult time with her faith and feels conflicted. She still seems to fear hell and she gets upset when thinking about how her family members are genuinely dead and gone and aren't actually in heaven. I think Matt can really relate to her in that manner, though I'm sure he's a little upset that she still hasn't come to the conclusion yet there is no god.
Yes! I love this. I came to this comments section to find positive comments about her, because Matt had someone responsive to his explanations for once. That must be refreshing.
@@MsHarpsychord I'v been an atheist for around 15 years now. I still sometimes miss the idea that I am going to live on after I die. I miss thinking that I am going to see my Dad again someday. I don't believe that I will, but I sometimes do miss the idea. It was a comforting thought.
Life is trial and error. Science is just keeping track of the errors. Being against science is being in favor of repeating mistakes. Nothing is beyond science.
Apologetics is the deification of error.
" Nothing is beyond science. "
Oh? Can science prove which tastes better?
Chocolate or mint?
@@cnault3244 chocolate mint is best.
@@PaulBrown-uj5le Especially if it's mint chocolate chip ice cream.
Jen got one thing right for sure. It's the fear of death that keeps religion in business and the business in religion. We call it memento mori. 1:20:00
Isn't. Memento mori about remembering you're mortal and enjoying life.
Memento mori = remember death
The Dunning Krueger effect
Matt brings up so many things that were a constant problem for me all my life. The devil tempting Jesus, the hiding god, the prick god, god setting up Pharoah, etc., to show off his power, the Abraham son sacrifice, etc. Even ONE of these arguments is enough to bring down that house of cards called religion.
Loved the show! Sometimes people need a good ole mental slap upside the brain. Matt was a little heated this episode, and I see nothing wrong with that. He’s not going to throw down some petals on the floor and take their hand, he’s going to talk to them like an adult and be truthful. Matt you’re a wonderful figure within the Atheist community, never change bro.
I had a math teacher who insisted that " you don't have to understand it, just accept it!" To this day I cannot do math.
What was the context? The lesson? Do you remember? I would not word it that way, but in some practical ways, your teacher has a point. For example, I used to teach 4th grade math, and there is no way for me to explain to a 4th grader why the area of a circle is equal to pi times the radius squared. You have to learn integral calculus to understand why that is the formula for the area of a circle.
We learn things in baby steps, and in doing so, sometimes we have to accept some things as fact before fully understanding.
Another practical example: I don’t understand how a car works, but I can drive one. You don’t learn how a car works in driver’s ed. You learn how to drive. Those are different branches of knowledge on the same tree.
Of course, I don’t think you should accept everything without questioning, but often times you do have to accept something as fact before completely understanding.
Jen, when speaking with the caller Eric you made what I thought was an excellent point. Not that people cling to the beliefs for just a fear of dying but rather the implications regarding where everyone else might end up. I would give anything to know that I would see my friends and loved ones when I pass away. I don't think anyone doesn't want that to happen. I also think this is most likely the primary emotion religon relies upon since it's the greatest unknown in life.
this guy is a genius. ' i know how things came to exist becasue I can see them now'
Both shows are wonderful! Great job Dan and Anthony!
17:55 Jeff called it a "LIE"
18:08 Jeff said Matt called it a "LIE"
I wonder if Jeff has faith in his memory?
Jeff took that Matt by saying it was "apparent" to mean that what he was saying was a lie. This Matt cleared up after this back and forth, something Matt would not have done in the past. Yea Matt
Oh that is true! But I think later that Jeff said: "you're right, I'm sorry"... He is moving forward! very slowly, but don't give up Matt!
That Jeff guy's a Fuckin' IDIOT, and I can only Hope that Matt only kept him on the phone in hopes that believers listening may learn just how ridiculous their claims and justifications are, and Always foolish/circular.
Jeff misunderstood what the word apparent meant. He remembered correctly he just didn’t interpret it correctly.
Yea... fucking idiot smh
Today I learned two things: Socratic questioning and the amygdala response. Thank you very much! Wise things to remember when sharing my story with others.
"They are actually damaging their case for their belief in doing so, because what they're doing is not saying, 'oh, you guys all actually know there's a God and you'll come to him when the going gets tough.' No; they're suggesting that a lifetime spent being actually convinced that there's a God and being faithful and serving a God can be roughly equivalent to someone in a panic state saying, 'holy crap, I'm fucked. Please get me out of here, supernatural friend!'... It diminishes the value of their religion." - Matt Dillahunty 1:30:43
I'm only an hour into the video so far but WOW Jen and Matt are in bad moods today and with these calls so far I do NOT blame them whatsoever lol!
The sun rises in the east---therefore god. That about sums up the extent of scientific education of the god freeks.
(and of course the sun isn't rising at all)
Great show, Jen and Matt! But I also enjoyed "Truth Wanted" allot. I hope you'll keep it coming!!!!!!
I don't beleive prayer works. So I won't pray for you. But I really want your nephew to become healthy. So positive love and good health wishes. Children should never have to suffer this way. Thank you for this show. You are all great people in my book. ♥️♥️♥️♥️ To bad the God thing wasn't as loving as christians believe! There'd be no sick, starving or abuse of children.
You're a stupid person. What if her nephew is a future ISIS member?
Love this guy with Anthony, let’s see more of him !
If theists can listen to Jeff talk to Matt and think Jeff makes sense and Matt doesn't, I have no nope for them. If you can't understand how there is NOT ONE BIT of evidence in anything he said, that it is ALL just circular arguments and his feelings and it doesn't compare at all to real evidence. That was pathetic. And there is no evidence at all for God.
There should be a clause stating that if a church wants tax exemption they have to play that clip every sunday before the sermon.
I'm an atheist that has seen nearly all of the shows! I love it and love the hosts. Matt I respect you as a host and as a brilliant arguer! I know you get tired of having to repeat the same information all of the time. Also, the caller's can be frustrating to deal with but there is no reason to insult them with profanity laced retorts! It bothers me because I'm cheering for you , I'm on your side and love the way you use the Socratic method of arguing but it's negates a lot of the brilliance when you insult the caller's, Man! This is my constructive criticism I know it will probably piss you off but I hope you consider just holding back on the sophomoric slurs directed at callers! YOU ARE GOING TO WIN THE ARGUMENT, REGARDLESS OF ANY APOLOGETICS THROWN YOUR WAY! So, the derogatory comments aren't even necessary! I wish you all the best, Matt and all TAE hosts!
Tone trolling
Frmr
I have a few issues w/Matt as well, but likely we all can say that to each other as well, however profanity is perfectly legitimate for emphasis when so-called 'civility' is ineffective. They are only words, after all. No cause to get all wrapped around the axle over it.
Doesn’t bother me at all, nearly every time they deserve it for being meat heads.
Yeah I think going after Matt’s tone is a mistake. Some people need some profanity in order to take their behavior seriously. Some people don’t like it. I think it’s good to see a variety of approaches from the different hosts. If the callers don’t want profanity, they can call one of the other hosts. In the end it seems way more productive to address all the times people are wrong as opposed to every time someone takes an approach to something you agree with in a different manner than you would. That is just nitpicking. For me his occasional profanity is authentic to who he is.
I think people are less bothered by the used of profanity itself as to the abuse of callers.
Jeff's confidence is also in other men, if he believes the stories in a "holy" book.
How the fuck you have the patience to speak to these callers is beyond me, but I'm glad that you do. Love the show, learnt so much about debating just watching this show.
"It said what I said it said!" Matt Dillahunty. I love it :)
Boom my man Matt!!! Logic and reason at it's finest!!
I don't listen every week, but I have yet to hear a theist call in and offer an intelligent discussion. No wonder Matt loses it.
After dealing with idiot after idiot id get tired and annoyed too.
Theists are by definition unintelligent. Faith, as in belief without evidence, is not a marker of intelligence, it is a marker of credulity, which is a low IQ trait. It doesn't take a genius to point out that an individual must either not possess or completely suspend his rational faculties in order to believe something on par with a fairy tale. It is void of any quality associated with intelligence - critical thinking skills, investigation, even creativity - all absent by necessity in order for faith to BE faith.
It may sound cruel, but there's no getting away from it. As far as it's ever reasonable to judge intelligence, theists are demonstrably stupid. These people are arrogant, preachy, and emotionally vitriolic about it anyway, so fuck it, I don't feel bad putting the spotlight on their inadequate cognition.
I love watching Joyce Meyer. That face is more interesting to look at than Jack Nicholson playing the Joker.
Joyce Meyer doesn’t appear to live up to her beliefs “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35, NIV)”, it seems as though woman that call in here are in violation of god’s laws. I honestly don’t know how any woman can champion a book that talks about them in that way.
People like Jeff are just frustratingly sad
Matt, I especially love watching your show when you are on it because I think you are a genius when it comes to refuting the Bible but I think you owe that lady that called in an apology. I think she was an atheist and was on your side but because you didn't like the first few words that came out of her mouth, you attacked her like she was your enemy. If that was me, I would have gone away and cried. I listen to all your videos about how to talk to people and I know that you know that you went against your own advice.
What I heard was somebody who was trying to get on common ground with Matt. When she brought up God's hardening the heart of the pharaoh, I think she was only offering a different opinion. That is what I heard. I put myself in her place and felt sorry for her. I have called into that show many times trying to ask if magicians can actually levitate people and they always say to call really early and they prefer theists to call and so I have never gotten on that show. They actually would rather have a theist call in than an atheist so when somebody who calls in who seems like an atheist, I don't get why Matt would rip that person a new ass*** because they said that they thought that Hebrews 11 was an oximoron. I am pretty sure she wasn't trying to say that it was easy to convince people that if they only thought about it that they'd realize how stupid that scripture is. She was not given a chance to explain her conversation that she had had with a person about that scripture. How Matt reacted was the same as what Matt Slick does when you call into his show. Matt Slick also has a one track mind and refuses to listen to his callers unless his callers 100% agree with everything that comes out of his mouth, which makes for a very boring show. I love Matt and I think he has a hard time dealing with people who he thinks are against him. He has done videos where he says that he has made the mistake of going off on a rant without listening to what the caller is trying to get at and I believe that he will realize that he did that with Sam.
he11b1ade, and now I am a dishonest, annoying asshole? Wow, you are not a very nice person. Have you ever called into that show? Are you an atheist or a believer? I would guess you are an atheist. I am also an athesist and if you have ever tried to call into that show, you will hear them say that they prefer for theists to call in and not atheists. In any case, it's a call-in show and they want people to call in, whether atheists or theists. It doesn't matter if you are an atheist or a theist. If they want people to continue to call in, then they should all be treated with respect, even if their comments seem stupid to them. They want theists especially to call in and if those callers are treated like they are just stupid and only call in just to hear themselves talk, then I can almost guaranteeyou that people will be too afraid to call in after that. It is especially egregious to treat somebody like that who is on your side like what Matt did to Sam. What Matt did when it came to explaining Hebrews 11 was to make it look like that scripture is true and not false. I always look forward to Sunday afternoons and that show and for the first time last week I recommended that show to some theist friends of mine and I hope they didn't tune it in because that is not the show that I would be proud of recommending again. If you only want to come back and say that anybody who might disagree with you in your assement of that show and call me a dishonest, annoying asshole, then all I can say is for you to stick your head up your ass as far as it can go because that's where it already is.
he11b1ade, do you think I am a theist? I don't get why you call me a troll? I am an atheist and I love the Atheist Experience and always look forward to watching it every Sunday. If I am not able to watch it live, I will always watch it later on RUclips. I also love Matt Dillahunty and listen to his videos over and over again and recommend his videos to my daughter who is also an atheist. I feel bad for Matt because I have watched his videos where he talks about how sometimes he makes the mistake of not listening to what the caller is trying to get at and he goes off on a rant about an entirely different topic and later regrets it. When I was listening to that show on Sunday that is what I saw. When it comes to Hebrews 11 (which I used and believed in for the 50 years I was a Jehovah's Witness, I thought it was a "sin" not to have the faith as described in Hebrews chapter 11. I believed it with all my heart and it is Matt Dillahunty who gives the best explanation of how silly that "faith" is according to Hebrews 11 and when Sam was trying to tell him about her thoughts about Hebrews chapter 11, he went off on saying that she was trying to tell them that they should not even discuss it with callers and that is not at all what she was trying to say. He went on a very long rant and if anybody knows anything about that show at all, you would know that Matt Dillahunty would not discourage callers from calling in about faith and Hebrews 11 and it was clear from the get go that she was not a Christian and was on his side but he ripped her a new ass*** for something she was not even trying to accomplish. When Matt went off on her when she got out about 2 words about it being an oximoron, he started ranting about something you can't see and he started saying it wasn't an oximoron because blind people have evidence, which sounded like he was agreeing with the description of faith found in Hebrews chapter 11. What Matt didn't realize (I think) was that he was giving credence to Hebrews chapter 11. Blind people have evidence of things they can't see because they can hold those things in their hands and they can smell things and they can hear things etc. There is solid evidence of things they can't see so there's solid evidence of things they can't see. We have faith in the weather forecast because there's solid evidence of those forecasts being accurate because of past experience of those forecasts coming true. Sam was not allowed to explain anything at all that she was tring to say which discourages anybody from even calling in unless it's somebody like Traci who was a mouse in the hands of Matt. I saw it as Matt going off the deep end because of either being tired or short-tempered. If that is the way Matt Dillahunty is in real life, I can see why his marriage did not work out.
By the way he11b1ade, my favorite shows are with Matt Dillahunty and I normally love his rants, just not this time with Sam. I would never want Matt so discouraged as to stop coming on the show.
How about how Matt attacked Sam for trying explain why she thought Hebrews 11's explanation of faith was an oximoron without giving her a chance to explain what she meant by that? I don't give a rat's ass about whether or not Hebrews 11's description of faith is an oximoron or not.
Holy $hit Matt, this might be your best show yet.
Some of these callers aren't the sharpest tacks, but I can't help but think there would be a better way to facilitate constructive dialogue than Matt's "stfu and learn something" approach. It's one thing if the caller is being an ass, but it's painful to watch one of the best defenders of non-belief become hostile with people just because they've evidently never applied critical thinking to their religious beliefs.
sometimes stupid people need to be told! Matts doing a good trying to get to the point of their 'mostly flawed' arguments.
I agree! Also, a great example of how it can be done is later on this video, by watching Anthony Magnabosco (The Street Epistemology Guy)! He's amazingly effective without insulting any callers! If the goal is genuinely to bring people over to critical thinking and to get them to challenge their own beliefs, it's much easier for them to be self critical if they aren't pissed at the person walking them through the Socratic questioning.
unit 003 I don’t agree. I’m afraid Matt can be plain rude, and unnecessarily so at times. I believe this was one of those times. A couple of years ago a Moderator ( I use the word loosely on this occasion!) on the AE Facebook Discussion Group page expelled me from the Group. My ‘crime’? Suggesting to other participants in a discussion that their points could be made better without resort to name-calling and expletives. I suggested we actually try being nice to one another. At that point I was shown the door! Regrettably some atheists can be very bolshy.
unit 003 your logic is flawed if you think that's the way to approach the argument. Destroying the argument accomplishes nothing unless you change the mind of the person making the argument. These people will continue using the same arguments, plus have a story about how they were bullied by angry atheists to tell their friends... and guess what? They would be speaking the truth. Destroying arguments so you can sound smart and give yourself a point is of no value. "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." - John Morley
tafkaga - to your original comment, my reaction exactly.
And I still value Matt’s work very much.
I’m critical because I care about maintaining high standards of persuasive representation. AND I have seen him in other cases show so much more impressive grace in actual debates. It far more persuasive.
Also cause i’d Really like to share whole video links with questioning religious people like my parents, without needing to worry about all their atheist stereotypes being validated in one minute. It’s nice to be able to trust a channel with reliable rep, so I won’t need to just pick out persuasive segments and babysit the video players for them in person to skip any parts where the “ cynical arrogant atheist” host starts shouting over a confused caller and cursing at her. (I know if it bothers me at all, it’ll be an absolute deal breaker to someone like my liberal/compatiblist catholic mom ... which is a shame.)
The substance is very important
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Is it just me or does Matt seem like he is getting easily frustrated, upset, and more obtuse to callers lately?
I agree with all his points, but I wonder if this attitude and using vulgar language all the time may turn away theists who are questioning their beliefs. I could care less about the language. But I think the old Matt that was a bit more tolerant, was more effective in changing minds.
I was brought out of religion because of many of his arguments.
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Yes, but I think it has nothing to do with frustration. It’s calculated.
joe bolan I'd agree. He's said the same arguments before and is trying to make the show entertaining.
Matt says in this episode, "I don't have time to teach you everything", to the first caller.
It takes a big hammer to break through a thick wall.
I agree. I was thinking the same thing. He shouldn’t come on the show anymore if he doesn’t like being there. He’s rude and short with callers. He interrupts them a lot and insults them. It’s not a productive conversation. He does exactly the sort of thing he criticized Peterson for doing to him on stage. What a hypocrite! And I used to like Matt at first.
@@sorgeelenchus You're misrepresenting Matt's criticisms of Peterson. His main objection was to Peterson's content-free word salad in nearly every response, especially when cornered. When did Matt display similar behavior in order to meet your charge of hypocrisy? Besides, he flatly admits to being an asshole and easily frustrated with callers. Hardly the admissions of a hypocrite. He's extremely self-aware and honest, it seems. I'm not defending his behavior. Rather, I'm pointing out that your assessment of Matt isn't grounded in reality. Agreed?
Sun goes up, sun goes down, tide comes in, tide goes out.
Bill O'Reilly is that you?
Not that it helps Jeff's point, but John 14:5 does say "Life", not "Light". Everyone makes mistakes but awesome work regardless, Matt :)
Have no idea what Sam was going on about. That was just bizarre lol. Like, she’s not a Christian but she is dogmatically quoting bible verses that are just in conflict with one another.
I think she was trying to say at first, that Heb 11:1 is self- contradictiory (she used oxymoron but I'm not sure if that was the correct word) because faith is NOT substance or evidence, or at least, is not a pathway to knowledge which of course is true and what Matt always argues, correctly. Perhaps she meant that Matt could just point that out it's a silly verse because of this. But Matt just got pissed off so quickly, because he just got the wrong end of the stick from the get go and didnt realise she agreed with him (she wants to discuss the silliness of it with believers, so does he), then he tries to tell her what she was saying when she clearly wasnt and just would not let her clarify. And so it deteriorated. Jen is usually a good listener but I think she was jumping off Matt's attitude, and wasn't following either (I guess it was hard to since the caller couldnt explain herself through the interruptions). I'm not surprised that she was surprised that the caller was not a theist. If they had both listened instead of charging down the wrong path, this would have turned out better.
I do like Matt, he has thought through it all and come to the right conclusions, but occasionally he just gallops away on his hobby horse without getting what is happening. Calm down Matt, you will be a better communicator if you become a better listener. I completely get it that many (most?) of the people he has to deal with are ... well, morons, but that's no excuse for treating anyone so rudely and dismissively.
Alexandra Creasy, Agree, she even said they misunderstood her,but she couldn't get a word in.
Alexandra Creasy
I’ll go back and give it another listen. I just thought that she didn’t have her thoughts properly organized and came off as unprepared. That said, I have noticed a trend in Matt’s behavior lately. I love Matt and don’t know if it is an ego or a burn out thing , but his patience is wearing thin on the show. I know at times it will chastise the caller for calling in to try asking them “Why he should care about of “X, Y or Z“ not realizing that it isn’t just Matt and the hosts who are watching, but viewers at home. Many of which haven’t heard before.
If I was a new viewer here, I would be totally lost. It’s like Matt is teaching theology at a calculus level before the callers and/or viewers have finished algebra class. He would definitely do himself a big service if he were to just take a big deep breath and ask them to try and get back on track. Matt’s worst trait is this patience, and his quick trigger to just hang up on somebody is off-putting.
EDIT: OK.. I went back and listen, and while I agree with your points in my earlier point regarding my patience, I still stand by that Sam was completely disorganized. Here is what was perplexing with her call:
Evidence unseen - blind people (silence for like 10 seconds)
How do you get people to think about Hebrew 1 if you don’t challenge them on it? (Silence AGAIN)
Says Matt’s wrong for saying God hardened Pharaoh’s heart. The Bible does say that though.
Re Pharaohs heart: Bible says both but why is she debating this like a Christian? Lol here’s where I’m confused with her?
What does Ex 9:12 say? (Sam silence forever again)...never answers..just moves on.
She says things “do happen not according to God’s plan”. WTF?
Matt “why should I care what any Testament says?” (Again.. it isn’t just Matt and the hosts who are watching)
I understood perfectly what Sam was saying. Matt was too busy being on attack mode because he thought she was a theist.
This was a great show, I liked how Jen pointed out that even though one may not believe in god they'll keep that "spiritual" side of it because they're afraid of death. To add to that statement, I find some people just can't deal with the fact they'll never see their loved again. I understand that, but they should learn how to deal with death instead of believing in something that most likely isn't true.
", I liked how Jen pointed out that even though one may not believe in god they'll keep that "spiritual" side of it"
But they are never able to give a clear definition for what they mean by spiritual.
That's why I put "spiritual" in quotes. In the same way the religious use the word "faith" to replace "I believe there's a god but I have no evidence", people who claim not to be believe in a god, but believe in an afterlife, will use the word "spiritual" to replace "I believe in life after death so therefore will see my loved ones again, yet I have no evidence". Both words are meaningless to someone who is a rational, skeptical and critical thinker.
(Jane-Marie) I think the spiritual who believe in heaven still also fundamentally believe in their god. I don't think the two are exclusive. I think their biggest gripe is just with religion or the church. In that respect, I guess they're just deists.
I also think that most of the spiritual actually deny this afterlife concept and are just in tune with the interconnectedness we all share. I go as far to still use the Holy Spirit to describe it, as contradictory as that sounds.
(C Nault) We studied this in grad school (for Clinical Social Work). For most, being spiritual is just feeling an interconnectedness with people. The Christian-- both Catholic and Protestant-- call this the Holy Spirit. The spiritualist sees it as a "we're all in the same boat" kind of thing.
" I think the spiritual who believe in heaven still also fundamentally believe in their god. "
Since I have no idea what you mean by spiritual ( I have yet to hear a clear agreed upon definition for the word, everyone who uses it appears to mean something else), I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Could you define what you mean by the word spiritual?
"I go as far to still use the Holy Spirit to describe it, as contradictory as that sounds."
You could call it the great Potato in the sky if you want to... but unless you can prove it actually exists, it's a moot point what you call it.
Love the double format!
Why are some people so focused on this mistake Matt made at the end of a painful 20 minute call where Jen and Matt revealed the tragic flaws in Jeff's epistemology as he tap danced around like Honey Boo Boo? His mistake is irrelevant. Jeff's cercular argument came full circle to I believe it because the bible says it. The verse is taken out of context anyway. It has nothing to do with intelligent design or God's creation, it's Jesus just saying " hey, I'm the only way you can get to eternal salvation, trust me and follow me."
Jesus answered, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6
I lost it when Matt told Jeff to shut the fuck up. 😂😂😂
I love his conman impression... and part of my deconversion was basically people are gulable. It is not the only thing, there are many others but that was certainly a piece of evidence against religions as a whole.
Some people just feel like being argumentative. Like Sam, at 58:40 who'd prefer that they didn't discuss Hebrews 11:1 when callers brought it up.
She had absolutely NO actual point to make, she was just bored, probably sitting home by herself with nobody to have a trivial argument with lol so she decided to call in and start one with Matt.
Complete waste of time and energy.
And then there's Eric lol who couldn't even get his thoughts in order before calling in, causing him to pause repeatedly for long, silent, awkward periods of time taking him a full several minutes just to spit out ONE sentence.
Pulling teeth!
matt, I am almost sure you misunderstood what "Sam" was talking about. she is atheist and there was just a misunderstanding and, and this is the most important and, you didn't let her explain herself. granted she wasn't very clear, but when you talk over someone there is sometimes miscommunication. less coffee please.
She sad she wasn’t a Christian...she didn’t say she was a atheist....she was arguing that the New Testament was not right and the Old Testament was.
I'm not sure if she's atheist, she was talking as if the bible is fact. That was a strange caller, I'm not sure what her point was.
Jeff is either the dimmest bulb on the tree or it’s burned out completely. In either case the Christmas tree’s image is diminished by Jeff’s presence.
In response to some replies, I'll simply say that it's not so much the profanity, as the disrespect. I just think Matt's better than that! He is so brilliant in his arguments, that it's completely unnecessary! Cheers!
I agree all that disrespecting the caller was totally unnecessary, he's going to turn people off from taking him seriously or watching the show 😔
Jeff has never even considered the idea of epistemology. He has no desire to understand how he knows what he claims to know. He knows because he knows because he knows.
Matt, I love what you do and respect your intellect
BUT ... Idk why you loose your temper so much with some of the callers. My concerned is that it can really detract from the persuasiveness of your reasoning, for most other viewers.
in some videos like this one even I feel you can cross a line of civility with some of the more hostile retorts, and threats to hang up on people's asses for relatively little things, like overlapping words or not shutting up the moment you decide to cut in.
Sometime's it's seems more warranted to me, like if a caller is actually getting abusive or ranting or says something exceedingly bigoted...
Your reasoning of course is very persuasive, to anyone who isn't too shut off by your attitude in frustrated moments.
I'm still behind what you do, so just feel motivated to contribute this cringing impression because I'd like to be able to share channels like this with friends and family on the fence about faith... but not if they're going to get their stereotypical notions of Atheists as "condescending sarcastic killjoy bullies" validated in the first 10 minutes.
the tone of your representation just can vary a Lot. :/
That's because you are an idiot. The people to whom Matt is talking will never be persuaded. Take the first caller. He could not even contemplate there would be a flaw in his reasoning. He clearly didn't have the cranial capacity to understand that starting with a position is no way to determine the validity of an argument. Ho never attempted to attack the scientific method. He never tried to attack the basis of logic. He never tried to attack the basis of thought. Instead he asserted something was true purely on the basis he understood it to be true. He deserved whatever Matt shot at him. The guy needs help. He is clearly deranged.
Grunthos The Flatulent, so the people who Matt is talking to will never be persuaded? Why even talk to them then if he has that attitude? Why take callers? They only want theists to call in. Why, just to treat them like they are all idiots and dismissed as idiots and hung up on without even giving them a chance to talk like what he did to Sam?
Matt has always gotten really angry at callers. I honestly think he’s better at formal debates than the atheist experience. I like Matt, and I get it, if I took calls I would be exactly the same way but that’s why im not on a show lol. Like he got weirdly angry at the Sam girl, and he could easily have taken that call without getting angry.
Yes, yes, yes. I also listen for myself, more as a sort of podcast. I actually listen in pod bean (I'm here today because it's not working right) And I, as an atheist, don't even want to hear this shit. It's an assault on the ears. Bickering & getting heated sux to listen to
Mr. Flatulent,
I’m the kind of person who’s neither triggered by strangers being needlessly hostile to me, nor am I deterred from reading and openly considering the rest of what you had to say even after you decided to open with “that is because you are an idiot.”
I just judge your character calmly and see if you have any other good arguments for me to consider regardless.
but I wouldn’t count on most people to react like that. Even most of those who would be fairly open if approached with basic respect.
I think people who so easily display this kind of needless aggression, petty insults (who use phrases like “cranium capacity” lol) and lead with an attitude of absolutist pessimism and arrogance about whole categories of people do the most disservice to any social cause they affiliate with.
It’s why in addition to every other misconception about atheism we have to address, it’s important to keep reminding everyone why it’s wrong to judge an entire group or view by the anecdotal behavior of individuals.
but it is hard for most people not to
In all of my time arguing with theists, I have changed 4 minds that I know about. While it is incredibly rewarding to know you helped someone open their mind and think critically, I just don't see the point anymore. Maybe it's because I have zero support and I have spent way too much time trying to make sense to irrational people, just to realize the person never cared in first place. I live in Walla Walla Washington. If there is anyone like me, please let me know. I'm starting to feel like everyone is stupid and I can't have a meaningful conversation anymore. It's easy to understand why religious people want to believe. They get to connect with other people. It's so much harder as an atheist.
Well, you didn't get much feedback from this comment but I hope you've found some like minded people man. Yes I agree that part of the allure for a lot of religious people is the social aspect as religions relies on the pack mentality.
Yea, I can relate to this. It's frustrating and like you said...so many just don't really care to think about it. I too hope you've connected with some like minded folks.
1:01:00 Okay sorry, but the way this woman (a regular follower of Matt's even) is treated in this call is unacceptable.
She could be incorrect about everything but shouldn't be the one making all the effort to keep things civil, and then you can hear just how defeated she sounds while trying to just get through her second question. I'd really like to be able to share the substance of episodes like this with my friends and family members... but would not want them to hear this attitude and get confirm their biases about atheists.
your show, your choice. but too many of the callers don't deserve the ways they're treated, in my opinion. and I know I'm far more sympathetic to the hosts' frustrations than many will be. just disappointed on this one.
hes tired of people not listening and the same poorly laid out theist nonsense
trust me I Know why it’s frustrating.
But sometimes we have to do better, especially while representing a stigmatized view/group to a wide audience.
in Matt’s case, I’ve followed enough of his content to see he can demonstrate so much more stoic patience and grace under much higher stakes than just listening to some stranger giving their opinions or asking an ill-conceived question on an anonymous call... with thousands of others listening.
Also it’s easier to sympathize with how tiring it might be to hear new people giving the same old arguments and questions and mistakes... if that sympathy wasn’t diverted by the frankly abusive attitudes toward less some callers. Unnecessary rudeness I see across all activism lately, mostly just serves as a conveinient distraction from the good arguments, so the unconvinced interlocutor or audience may easily remain unpersuaded.
+Anthony PC you're a very sick person to defend these nutjobs like that.
@@kill.all.liberals6865 well, I am in bed with a virus. getting better though.
But it would be more persuasive to explain in more polite terms how I'd have to be a very sick person to months ago to defend someone who's being treated unfairly?
(I think the original comment made clear this was irrespective of who's views I agreed more with -- obviously Matt)
In this case I wasn't actually defending anyone from anything, but merely expressing my cringing reaction to the impatient rude attitude of the host on this day. Matt made a wise apology to the community after this btw. Not because his position was incorrect, but because (in my understanding of his words) he recognized that the sarcastic hostile tact he took in addressing the callers was needlessly disrespectful to them, and even more harmful to the representation of the Atheist community.
People won't be persuaded by reason as long as they're insulted and defensive emotionally.
I don't think being a tactful and respectful person makes you "very sick."
But from your comment I wonder if you somehow didn't see the distinction between criticizing someone's manners, and defending the caller's beliefs and opinions.
Maybe you just need to re-read more carefully, and reconsider your simple judgement. Most people won't bother giving a respectful explanatory reply to an insulting accusation like that.
I just hate to imagine how many individuals you may have pushed away from skepticism or atheism if you're identifying as such and don't see any problem with this attitude. :/
@@anthonypc1 "but too many of the callers don't deserve the ways they're treated" you're an idiot.
People challenged on their superstitions for the first time truly don't understand the questions. Wonderful work, guys.
Imo Matt you are coming across as too testy Matt, and more often to callers who don't merit the disrespect you dish out. It's not the way to win people over to a positive evaluation of the arguments.
I've been a regular viewer for several years and this carry-on of talking over callers and hanging up on them is making me consider ceasing watching the program when you are on.
In most other respects, keep up the good work.
These loathsome retards merit plenty of disrespect alright. I would shoot everyone of them for free.
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I think you really misunderstood what the women called in for. She wanted to show her support, give you feedback, and some extra BS part of the bad book, that you could use.
Glad I'm not the only one to see this. The conversation went downhill as soon as she misused the word oxymoron. I think that after that Matt took her for a moron, and just shut down communication. Poor woman.
They totally missed her point.
Faith is not evidence!
Anyone who wants to see how evangelists work & think should watch the documentary "Marjoe", about the child preacher Marjoe Gortner. He was brought up by fervent parents, and as an adult turned his back on religion. As his farewell to the whole system, he had a film crew follow him around the revival circuit. The cynicism, greed and vulgarity of the preachers is staggering to behold. Fascinating film.
I have to laugh when some believers say things like "don't put your trust in what men say, put your trust in the word of God".....blah blah blah, sure, of course it would be great to hear from someone higher than man, I'd like nothing better but the cold hard fact of the matter is that the so-called "word of God" AKA the Bible was written by MEN, just like ALL books were written by men and women, human beings etc.
Whichever book or source of information you want to put your trust in, you cannot avoid the fact that you are, to some degree, putting your trust in the people that wrote those books or provided you with the information but what's worse about the Bible is that we are being asked to put our trust in writings that were done by men who once lived many thousands of years ago who have no way of being able to practically demonstrate any of what they told us right here and right now.
This is as opposed to putting our trust in the writings of people who have much more updated information and can actually demonstrate in real time, right in front of our eyes the things they are telling us, we can see Scientific claims in action, so we can reasonably justify our trust in what Scientists say, I don't know about anyone else here but I can't remember the last time I saw a Christian feed five thousand hungry people with a handful of loaves and fishes, or turn water into wine, can you? Lol.
Now, if Christians could demonstrate that kind of power, we might at least have something we can investigate, as it stands at the moment, we've got nothing, nothing but a load of unfalsifiable claims coming from them and from their book, I don't have faith in Science, I have warranted trust in it because it is demonstrable, that is the key to judging any extraordinary claim, can the person making the claim demonstrate it in front of you? If not, why should you believe it? Show me the Red Sea parting, show me the Sun remaining in the same position relative to the Earth for 24 hours and so on, if this God could do all that then, why can't he do it now??
John Cashin what i dont get is how they accept science in every other field of study, but just not when it conflicts with the bible. The computer. Did it come from science or the bible? Do they trust surgeons using science or wackos using magic?
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I know, it baffles me too lol, I think they have to do one heck of a lot of mental gymnastics and tap dancing to get all that to SOMEHOW come together in their minds, I guess if they start off with the mindset of "there is a God and God can do anything", it is much easier then for them to reconcile this idea that this God can, for example...SOMEHOW...fit pairs of huge dinosaurs onto an ark along with countless numbers of other animals and he can also make things evolve from small organisms over millions of years whilst at the same time SOMEHOW making them in 6 days lol, anything goes once they have that "God can do anything" idea in their heads, I wish I knew what some of these people were smoking and where I can get some lol.
Ask any battlefield medic who has been surrounded by mortally wounded soldiers will tell you that the most common thing dying men scream out for is Their MOTHER .
Never thought I'd say this, as I've been an avid listener to AXP for years, but Matt really needs to dial it down a bit. He's becoming more like the caricature that gets presented by theists in edited clips, and it's disappointing because he's capable of so much better. His Atheist Debates series proves that he can lay down a rational discussion calmly and reasonably. His "debate" with Sye Ten Bruggencate proves he can have a dialogue with a colossally dishonest cretinous douche and still keep his cool.
But recently he's been way too quick to shred into callers on the show. He's very quick to make an issue if they interrupt or talk over him...and well he should...but he's way too willing to do the same to them and if they bring it up he threatens to hang up on them. There's been several calls over the last few times he's hosted where he's responded or made a point...paused...and then continued talking. Which is fine, but with the delay on the phones the callers sometimes thing he's finished when he's not, so they start talking and he goes full beast mode because it seems like they were talking over him.
And this isn't about the callers being rude or not answering his points. He's perfectly entitled to get pissed at them if they fuck around or talk total bullshit, but sometimes he just won't let them even make their point. There was one call when he asked this guy a question, and the guy was starting to respond with "I'm going to explain..." and Matt would cut him off and shout at him for not answering in the way Matt wanted to. It went back and forth like that for several minutes and all Matt would have needed to do was let the guy answer and then deal with what he said. But he never did get to give any actual answer because Matt just kept cutting him off.
The show is supposed to be about having conversations about what people believe and why....but a conversation is at least a two way process, it's not about Matt shouting at callers and then hanging up. Whats the point of having people call in if they don't at least get to finish a sentence?
I disagree. Think about how many times he's seen the same arguments and the same justifications? If he doesn't cut people off, they ramble, and the thread of reason he's trying to lead the caller along gets lost very quickly. I have been watching this show on RUclips for 10 years. I have seen hundreds of hours of him talking to callers. He has no obligation to be nice to anyone because that's not what the show is about.
@@DemstarAus "Think about how many times he's seen the same arguments and the same justifications? "
And yet he also makes a point of saying that while he might have heard the argument etc loads of times...the Caller might not have, and there's a strong likelihood that there's people listening who are also hearing it for the first time...
So how many times HE has heard it shouldn't be an excuse.
Tony from New York sounds like the trapper in blazing saddles 😂
John 14:6 “I am the way, the truth and the life...”
In all my years, I’ve never heard it misquoted as light until today. I thought Matt practically had the bible memorized - and he was so rude to the caller about this verse. I really hope he finds out someday that he was wrong and thinks about how he told the caller to go learn the bible with such dismissive arrogance.
Initially I was going to comment on how Matt has developed so much patience over the years of this show and is more kind to these callers - but it really seems like he holds them in contempt because they aren’t as brilliant or familiar with the bible, syllogisms, debating, science, history, etc. as he is.
You don't have faith that the chair won't collapse. You have confidence.
Well this is one time Matt was wrong. He says life not light.
Jeff. One of my favs
I think his name might actually be Jim, but he’s just too dumb to realise.
matt is mad today lol
"Apparently" Philadelphia has been on a very successful IQ reduction program for years.
It's 'etymology'...… not 'eNtomology'…. that's the study of insects!
Lol, Jeff's got a great impression of a block of cement.