Now I'm pissed!____ Starting a machine shop part 13
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"We don't care what code says. Cause we say so."
Just like the Constitution.
This is like some of us dealing with the ATF. They change the rules based on how they feel and who you speak with and there is no solid rule book on what they deem satisfactory.
I love you Eric. It is going to get better I promise. Fully understand your situation as I was once an engineer for a utility company. Those "rule of thumb" type instructions are for those that do not know the real rules or do not fully understand them..
Changing all of that stuff over and over is no big deal. It is easy, with no time and money costs..........when you're not the one doing it!
Make them start putting things in writing. Someone is messing with you. You might need to go higher up the ladder and talk to someone else.
Hang in there brother....this will come to pass.
Are those government inspectors or utility inspectors? I haven't run into the rigid 90 requirement in my electrical work. Are they thinking they're gonna pull so hard through the 90 that the plastic is going to suffer?
That's why there called the power company.
last elc. inspector i had check and aproove pist me off just like u and i lost it and came unglued cause he was checking what was all ready existent and inconclusive i gave him an ear full and did not hold back he backed off and realized i wasnt gunna put up with his bull shit. You can only put up with so much Erik. peace b with you.
What's in your approved plan? Do you even have plans?
I hate little piss ant type of people that just seem to get their jollies messing with people. Nothing but they just got to be in charge. However, the day is coming. Hang in there buddy. Just group em tight.
Get it in writing and video the inspection. At least you might have a chance to recover some costs. What A Holes you are having to deal with.
Tell them not to dig too deep or they’ll find the last inspector that screwed with you.
I asked an inspector once, If he was born this big of an A$$HOLE or did you have to work at it.
I asked one once has he ever had a tax audit. If not I’ll let my Friend know .
The job passed
I told one I didn’t know they could stack shit that high. He wasn’t too happy afterwards.
After being told, “involved or not, everyone here is going to be taught a lesson about PASS and FAIL. This lesson is about FAIL”. I asked him what his name was. He asked why I needed to know. I said, “I need to know who to list as ‘defendant’ at the top of lawsuit you’re going to be served with.” I passed.
I'm pissed just by listening the story... Can't imagine how pissed you are!
"Those who CAN, DO; Those who CAN'T become inspectors" Keep your cool, you're not out of the woods yet!
Inspectors- check their license and ask them to take a test today. If you know their name,you can look up their license on the internet.
i spent many years as a "Pickup Framer" we went behind the "framers" or piece work framers who blow through and do what it takes to get paid and fixed everything they forgot or didn't do or screwed up. i had to walk the buildings with the inspectors and bow to their every whim. some days it was easy and some not depending on their mood or etc. each one different and had different concerns or pet peaves. one of the "Pickup Framers" i worked with "the lasiest one" became in inspector, go figure.
When I go to a customer install. I point out what’s wrong and leave. Utility is very different than regular electric. And neither knows half of what the other one actually does...
I was an inspector before I was a machinist.
It's really helpful to know how to inspect parts properly before you run a machine.
@@TrulyUnfortunate I wouldn’t doubt it. But I’ve done both regular electrical for enough years to go to abc and get a journeyman license. Then I went utility. And have done that for enough years to get a ticket through celcat. I dunno anything about machining other than basics tap dies etc lol. But I know this stuff. I think that 10’ ground rods needs to go to mdp. And I dunno size of mdp but 2” seems small unless it’s 2 runs of 4/0 quad. Which reeeeally doesn’t go through short 90’s. We push all smoes up to say 200’. I don’t think you could push those even though they are only 15’. Utility doesn’t use short 90’s. I wish he would ask around or accept my help. I see his electrician is not experienced in pad setups. I can just tell him pipe size. 90’s to use. Over orientation width. Distance to structure etc etc in about 5 minutes.
Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. Those that can't do either become inspectors.
And to be just as bigoted, those that can't pass the third grade become contractors. "I have a hammer
I are a carpenter". It really is dumb either way. Most are cons without a tractor.
Bullshit. I taught at a university and am an electrician now.
Get a code inspection attorney, record all interactions. Its simple as he is not allowed to tell you to do or not to do something that is inside or outside the codes. Period.
IT'LL Cost you $5,000 for the attorney.
Worked in construction my whole life too hermano. It still amazes me the bs these damn inspectors put us through sometimes.
Speak to a supervisor first. Get a call recording app on your phone. It has saved me numerous times. Get their wishes in email form. Then, sue the shit out of them.
HO hell yes, What Randy M said.
And while you are suing them you don’t have power. After he wins the suit all of his future inspections will be a nightmare- it’s cheaper and faster just to go along even though it’s complete and total bs
@@annotten7413 cheaper and faster gets you more of the same. That’s what they count on. I didn’t say to shut down the project while it is litigated. I said, “then, sue the shit out of them”. And, I mean, all of them. Sue for damages and everything else. When someone’s head is on the chopping block, it will make them think twice. As for future dealings, they would be stupid to enact retribution though, I’ve seen it. Usually, when there’s an issue, they are no longer inspectors. A high priced lawsuit is just that sort of issue. Especially, if they lose.
Your electrician should’ve been aware of this and if he wasn’t he should be covering the cost to replace. I’m a general contractor and this happens all the time with Plumbing electrical and HVAC tech. And every time I bring it up to them they fix it on their own dime as they don’t want the inspectors to know that they are the reason for the mess up.
They should have been aware of what? He talked to the god damn inspectors and got everything cleared. He did what they asked.
Electrical inspector. And utility inspector are often two very different things. And don’t know half of what the other one does... that’s just not how this works.
But you are 100% right. The electrician should know how to setup a pad. And needs to keep changing it until it’s right cause he does have access to the utilities spec sheets.
think that's the difference between an electrician and an electrical contractor
@@fatal510 “they” who EXACTLY? City guy? Lineman friend? Utilities rep? Cause all those ppl are not the ones making spec sheets and installing said tx. Doing the makeup. And pushing the secondary and terming meter and taps.
Take the inspectors to small claims court for each incident separately. You have evidence and witnesses. I also recommend you start recording your interactions with them.
Little late now but in the future video the inspectors on cell phone . I am a white guy but they sound prejudiced. You may have a bigger claim but you and I know they do what ever the feel is just. You could take them to court but time is money and it could drag out for ever.
@@stephenschnur9957 Not everything is racial. And you being white doesn't give any extra credence to your statement at all. Mr. Cortina got the shaft no doubt, but it is because the inspectors seem to be trying to cover their mistakes at his expense. Happens all the time to all the races because...well, too many inspectors suck. Couple that with their "I make all decrees regardless of legality" egos, it makes it so hard on those being inspected.
@@stephenschnur9957 I bet you voted for Biden.
@@SAUM76 WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU SAY THAT I WOULDN'T VOTE DEMOCRAT FOR ALL YOUR MONEY. ERIC IS PISSED AND HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE AND IT'S COST HIM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS .
It's the Democrats that screw us with all these regulations and make it so hard to start up your own businesses.
Nothing should be “because we say so” documents, accountability, and chain of command needs to be addressed. What is the power companies name? And county/city you are inspecting in?
Dont suprise me none. Those guys don't know their butt from the hole in the ground.
Lawyers... I'd file a lawsuit against the investigators PERSONALLY to recover the cost. They misled you and it was expensive. Make them pay.
@@chadrides914 They are already doing that.
@@340wbymag lol spoken like someone who’s never had to deal with shady rogue building inspectors. He’s a contractor by trade. They will make his life hell
@@CallMeUbba sad but true, and worst is that they get away with it. Better to bribe them on hidden cam then take action 👹
Lawyers are part of the problem. They intentionally make laws hard to understand. If laws were easy to understand, we wouldn't need lawyers.
@@MAGAMAN Slight correction: If it weren't for lawyers ... you would never need one.
Vent to us anytime you want, it's real.
Having been in the underground utility business all my life, this video is the exact example of every interaction I've ever had with electrical inspectors. Wait until they make you run a mandrel though the conduit after you bury.
I got to do that in Massachusetts. Fun time with the mandrel
In England , they use a ferret tied to a string , with a piece of bacon at the other end , for the first run . [ what ferret diameter is that pipe ? .]
🤣
Sounds like its time to put your skills to work because it isn't going to get better until the overreach is stopped.
When you can't get a job doing anything else you can get a job being a damn inspector
Yeah that is no joke
You stated that wrong sir, when you're not worth a shit doing a job,they make you a inspector so you can screw up everybody else that can do the job.
Inspector another name for hide and go seek.
Nothing like dealing with government incompetence. Government should be financially liable for any and all miscommunications on their part.
Sorry about the trouble. Everyone understands, thanks for being transparent!
Sometimes I think they screw with you just because they can.
Erik, I think someone is F*^king with you! Been down that road before.
Anti gunners!
In the NEC you missed the part that says the authority having jurisdiction has the final word. The code is minimum recommendations also, all the utility companies I deal with in Pennsylvania have written requirements on their websites
Same, I always get a written line diagram from POCO before I start any underground job
Bribery works. Explain to them you shoot high powered rifles.
I feel you Erik! Been in Architecture for 21 years and authorities having jurisdiction drive me nuts! hope it gets better for you.
Sounds like they want you to fail or wanting to pad their pockets with some cash. Immediate PASS!!
I feel your pain, I do, an inspector just like these p******s is what shut down the South Texas Project many years ago. They just love that little bit of power they hold.
You should take your first tuner and set it in epoxy keep it on the wall for years to come.
Erik - When you get an inspector like that, get his boss. Don't care how far up the chain you have to go. Get his boss. Period. I've dealt with Oncor at a much higher level than you and sometimes, it takes the boss getting dressed down on site and getting reminded that if he forces a change it's *HIS* dime, not yours, especially if it's in excess of code. Remind them how much *MONEY* it will cost them if they want it to be changed. It's always amazing how quickly inspectors get changed once someone actually pushes back.
Yep, go higher and give the Boss a reaming, with a 32" Brux.
Beware. You may win the battle - but - end up losing the war.
Count the cost, emotions can get the best of any of us .
@@rictuma9787 don't disagree, but the kind of racket that some if these power companies and power contractors run is something that always deserves fighting. It's gotten the way it is because so many aren't willing to push back and report the bad inspectors.
If I show up at your job. And you didn’t do your stuff right. I’ll tell you how to make it right. If you want to fix it ok. If not I’ll be back when it is lol. It’s completely up to the electrical contractor to contact the utility. Gather and read the spec sheets. And make it happen. Electrical inspector doesn’t do that. So I dunno what your trying to say but I’ve never been told by my boss to “go back and fix the electricians work” lol.
@@MrT13 Where did anyone talk about the inspector going back and fixing anyone's work? Where was there talk about not having the spec sheets? The issue here is the inspectors (the one that did the pre-inspection and then one who did the actual inspection) said one thing (or on 2 items, didn't say anything) before the inspection and then said something different on the inspection. They're not cops. They can't lie to the people you're inspecting just to "catch them" if they do what you say even if it's wrong. Watch his next video on this. The inspector told him that he'd get an answer on how far from the building the verticals needed to be (after originally telling him 80" before the inspection) and it took *2 days* for him to answer it, and only did because Erik pushed him on the issue. I've had several issues in more recent years in aviation with inspectors like this. When it comes to some things in aviation there is "guidance" but no actual detailed regulation, so it's left up to individual airports to make the final specifications. Then when the city/county/airport authority changes inspectors, they're each different, but never on paper. It's one of the most crony parts of industry. They can cost companies and individuals thousands of dollars and there's not much you can do because they're the "inspector" and because there's no regulation that contradicts them, whatever they say is "the right way".
Damn inspectors are screwing us all right now in central and south Texas!
Go fire some freedom seeds and feel better.
they should have giving you a engineered drawing to show you exactly what they wanted the first time!
those are easyly avalible in any juristiction to mind worthy electrical contr
Maybe Cortina should have submitted the jurisdiction engineered drawings. That would have alleviated this issue.
I've been in your shoes many times with power companies every time they come out to inspect what they want changed . Don't be surprised after all the changes they tell you it was good the first time. Has happened to my company. It's like a joke to them
It wasn’t the power comp it was the city.
I work in the communications field. Houston Texas to Utah. 90% of the inspectors only know 30% of what it is. When corner them on a mistake they made they always say it's because we said.
I feel your pain my friend. The problem is that these people in those positions are incompetent. These are people who are supposed to help us, the people who are supposed to know. They are incompetent fools... Count to ten, take a deep breath and try not to bust a blood vessel my friend...
This proves somebody is full of $HIT! I don't care what they say, none of that will make a bit of difference. Power Trip People.
If you don’t use a drier in front of the machine,that crap is gonna kill your machine.
Just seems to never be done huh? Keep the faith. Lawsuits have happened over this kinda stuff. Inspectors are ridiculous.
I've been a licensed general building contractor since the 80's, your experience is classic. And qualified immunity holds them harmless from their own incompetence.
And that is part of the problem with giving someone who isn't paying for the work a say in how it gets done.
@@timothyosborne8285 Yeah, I'm all for having minimum standards, I've seen a lot of shabby and dangerous construction where codes are no where to be found; but making up requirements by pulling them out of your ass willy-nilly and keep shifting the goal posts is just plain whimsical Regulatory Tyranny.
@@Oldhogleg orrrr you can’t push 4/0 copper. In a short 90. I’m sorry to say but I run into this all the time and all pipe is not created equal. Size is wrong. Utility doesn’t follow nec on their own property. And utility inspector is not an inspector. We just pre check jobs to see if they are ready. Not to educate on how to do it. Electrical inspector doesn’t know what utility actually needs... he just knows depths etc. it’s up to customer to gather spec sheets and follow. Customer installed is 98% of the time not ready...
@@MrT13 Then by the same logic it's up to the customer to use what they want if within the NEC rules. Besides, you don't push conductors, they are pulled with a cable and a sock. For that short of a run, pulling three 4/0 wouldn't be an issue.
@@Oldhogleg 1 not called a sock. 2 three phase is 4 cables not 3.... and 3 a utility is a private enterprise that can set forth any rules and or standards to be adhered to if interested in buying their product. If you think you can just hookup whatever however and your crap fails and kills the whole lateral or loop or feeder well that’s why they hook everything up to the meter. And yes we push cables all the time. I’ve pushed literally miles of smoes. And miles of primary.
I feel you pain. Last one I dealt with said "fix this" then went on vacation. His supervisor came out and OKd the fix. He came back and said "I don't care what my supervisor said, I don't like it"
Don’t let a good ditch go to waste! Plenty of room for two inspectors!
I think I would be putting a call in to the state attorney about the inspector problem.
As a 30 year machinist I'll tell you that you have a lot to learn.
It took me ten years to become truly proficient. If you're making the same parts over and over again that's obviously a lot easier.
But to be able to have someone hand you a print and you're able to make it is way more difficult. Thats the difference between a job shop and a shop that makes their own parts over and over.
I've made everything from oil field parts to flight hardware for the NASA shuttle program.
Add different matierals like all the alloys you might come across it gets even more difficult.
Im in the same boat. Trying to explain the difference between a shop that gets a program and runs 100s of the same parts without having to make the first one and have the parts work is way different than someone giving you a sketch or print and having to make it. Especially when in todays world college's are graduating "Engineers" by the dozens that have NO practical knowledge of making anything and think everything pops out like magic. If you want to run CNC, please do yourself a favor and learn manual, if your going to produce prints, learn to machine or atleast familiarize yourself with how things are produced.
@@snowchris66
Exactly.
I learned how to run a manual long before I learnded how to run a CNC.
When I first started machining they used tape machines.
I couldnt tell you how many times I've told a CNC operator to slow their roll,especially on drilling deep holes,only for then to come back and say they sould have listined
To me.
@@TrulyUnfortunate we had tape machines when i started. Digital cnc was in its infancy. Im making prototype parts on manual that are on watch scale.
@@snowchris66
Same here.
I started at a machine shop chipping out machines,de burring,sweeping the floor and delivering parts.They then moved me into inspection after a couple of years inspecting they started teaching me how to run a manual lathe/mill.
Then I started learning how to program.
Kids today are pathetic. They say they cant find a good job that pays well and you cant work your way up the ladder.
Complete horseshit!!!
Kids these days think they're worth 25 bucks an hour after being a button pusher for a couple of years.
Our foreman knocked em down a notch by handing them a print and telling them to get started....
Every one of em failed.
This is why I record every call, these ppl are clowns, you should always keep record of their ideocracy.
They truly are Idiots.
They got you. No matter about common sense.
That little bit of wire is no trouble to pull.
I do this for a living. I feel your pain. Hang in there.
I'm sure you got a goofy cousin or friend that could run into that inspector some where lol 😂
The local meth head would do it for $100 lol
Yo Eric man that’s really wonderful to hear that. I work for Equipmentshare. it is an awesome company to work for. Anyway I love the videos man they’re always awesome I love watching all of your channels. I’m sorry some people have to be mean. It’s just not OK. Those inspectors really should man up and be an honest individual and fix their mistakes. But here in Denver they don’t do that.
Thank you. Equipment Share gives me awesome service!
Yup inspectors figure they have you by the short ones and are always power tripping. Get it writing from them so you can go after them later for the cost when it is proved they were screwing with you.
Is it common practice for the customer to have to trench from the pole to the ground tranformer? Up here the electric company is responsible for that.Customers wire from the transformer to the building.
I deal with it all the time my friend, we call them inspector gadget, They are always pulling out some random crap out to throw at you. I just laugh it off. I learned long ago not to piss them off. They will always make it their life mission to fubar your jobs anytime they can if you do.
Over the years I have come to the conclusion that the inspectors do this on purpose just because they are incompetent. One says this and the next guy who was a fry master at Mickey Dee's and read a book to be an inspector. Most of these guys are good guys but I have seen some of the worst. Again it is incompetence. If you do all of this and they come back and find something else start a law suit against the town and county. They deliberately tell you just enough to make you think you are doing it correctly and dont tell you everything so they can tell their boss how necessary their job really is. In reality they should be alerting you to the exact way they want this period.
Unfortunately, electric companies are the same everywhere. Sometimes all it takes is one too many phone calls or catching them in the wrong mood. They have a God complex and there’s nothing you can do about it. In 20+ years of electrical construction I’ve never been able to figure out their motives. I will say there’s more than one KCPL inspector that’s very fortunate to have left my job site under his own power.
Gotta love those code inspectors. They will usually never admit when they are wrong
They did the same thing to me when we ran our own cables and conduit according to their specifications and refused to hire their workers to do it for us
Code Enforcement, and Inspectors are the ATF of construction projects. You are in my prayers, and stay focused on the end game, you're not there yet. Some people just don't understand accountability, or their jobs.
I know this wont help but its that way here in Oregon to. I dont know how to beat them. They have cost me thousands on a shop build several years ago and I'm still passed when I think about it!!!
Trouble with inspectors they have no one to answer to. Sorry you are having trouble with them.
Erik, had a project recently where the gas meter was in a spot where we were going to put a footing. The person assigned to the job from PGE said that they could not remove the meter and back out the line until the end of the project. We finally got them to remove the meter and cap the line but the line was still where we needed to set a footing. We propped the gas line up about 15' in the air so we could do the work. In the middle of this PGE assigned a new associate to the project and they came by for a site visit and saw the line propped up in the air. They nearly shit their pants and asked why the line was like that. After explaining to them that the previous person on the project from their company said they couldn't back out the line the new person said that was not true (I had many emails from the previous person saying they could not back out the line but it did not matter one bit). They had it backed out and capped in under an hour. Absolute joke of a company on the best of days.
"That would be bad if I tripped and fell in that ditch" Such Irony! Lol
See guys that.s what a good guy does turn a bad day to a good day.
You already got a automatic drain. You can get a drain valve for a semi truck brake system that uses a pull chain so you don't have to crawl under the compressor.
Their inspectors for utility companys because they can't get a job anywhere else
because they to stupid l
You being a contractor there for 25 yrs. you already know what's up . You dug the trench deeper . you went to 82 inches instead of 80 you checked regulations on cutoffs and the 3000 dollars extra you spent on a box that wasn't needed. Its a power trip for sure or it may be racial I think you know what I mean. Sad but I am with you regardless. You are an honest man and you care about your fellow man . I watched that video where you went out and found people to give them your stimulus money I believe it was. I am proud to do business with you.
I am dealing with this same problem with my shop now. 5ft deep is crazy. My main is only 36in barely
Since it appears that your land needs some fertilizer, try adding some minced inspector mixed with cow manure. Do this just because you said so.
"Meet The Inlaws!" Wife: "My brother needs a job because my parents don't want their 35 year old son living in their basement anymore." Husband: (Happy wife, happy life) "I can get the union to get the utility to hire him" Wife: "He shouldn't be close to electricity and he's afraid of heights." Husband: "No problem, they make those guys inspectors."
Around my neck of the woods, they charge for every inspection, if you fail they can charge for a second, third or even place a stop work order on the job, in order to charge more money.
And this is the problem with letting the government have any say in how things get done. They're a Damn Joke!
NEXT TIME GET A APPROVED DRAWING ! WAS THE POWER COMPANY INSPECTOR WHO WAS TELLING YOU ALL THIS CRAP OR THE CITY INSPECTOR ?
Erik we feel your pain. We’ve had similar experiences with inspectors. What you didn’t say is you get charged each time they. Come out. More money for them.
You need to video them and what they tell you to do. Reason, too many people say too many different things.
As I said we feel your pain both frustration and financially. Good luck.
Sounds like you need to talk the Inspectors Managers. I had to prove my inspectors wrong multiple times with their own city code & I ended up winning.
Totally know how you feel.
One small example of classic government overreach. Imagine what else happens. Imagine what they’ll do if they get our pew pews!
Never get in a ditch higher than your waist.
I was wondering if he was worried about being buried alive....
Another clipboard nazi.
@@ryanbrand3946 Care to explain?
Osha standards state anything deeper than 4 feet must be shored up, or laid back 1.5 to 1. You can look it up.
@@jerrymartin5100 For me it is not about regulations, it is about common sense. Or, if you want to look at it another way, imagination and empathy. Can you imagine what would happen if the walls of the deep trench collapse and, if you can, do you care? For me the answer is "yes" to both. For Ryan Brand I assume the answer to at least one of those questions is "no", which makes him either stupid or psychopathic. I am giving the benefit of the doubt and going for stupid.
latter when i start digging in the ground and forget about the power lines. the tape may remind me .
This is why I hate construction after 45 years of practice
Hang in there Eric you'll get it! Happy thoughts. Love your channel
You are better than me I can't stand inspectors.
Ask them not to California your project
Bureaucrats and jobsworths. It is no wonder that stuff takes so long. I would go and sue them, take it up the chain. After thought, are they anti gun and just being a pain in the A due to that?
If that kept happening to me, I would either get new electricians or ask for the inspectors to send out their boss.
First!
Eric, I'm an inspector and we all answer to someone. Call the powers to be, which would be your council members, they normally love small business and the income you provide. The inspector will get spanked and have his attitude adjusted. Also your power company will give you the specs for placement and clearances of there equipment. Your electrician should know local code and you shouldn't have to deal with it. Good luck and love your passion.
You don't really answer to anyone. That single inspector on that site could have just said everything is fine and left. No one would die. No one would know any different.
In due time it will all work out, like my Mother said when i was growing up PACIENCIA
Got my tuner brake yesterday worth the wait
I'm happy to hear that. I been waiting since December and hope it's getting close
Sounds like the engineers I have to deal with all day.
Erik, they can increase the requirements of code; they can't go below code...
Wish you the best, Kai.
Is this World War I ?
Inspectors: non-producers dictating to professionals how to accomplish their job.
Maybe you could put those inspectors down in the ditch with a note saying "Stop Digging, below me is an electrical duct"......yep, thats what I would do.
You probably shouldn't tell people where your security cameras are.
Maybe that’s not all of them. 😉
Hello, let it out, a lot more room out than in, vent away I say!