And then they say that the suicides don't say what they're going to do... Anik Honoré listened to Closer and described the album as "horrible". To the other band members, Ian was a "happy" person. In short: you can talk as much as you want, but if it's for deaf ears, the result is just one: total indifference...
She never said horrible, she heard Closer and Tony Wilson asked her what she thought of the album and she said that she was terrified! And really concerned for Ian saying that "don't you understand he means it"! and Tony was saying to her no no no don't worry its just art! I think Tony described himself and others as silly c**ts in the fact that they never saw it coming. I have to say that Closer is my favorite album of all time!
@Pazuzu82 Indeed. Admittedly, it's easier to see it in hindsight, but I just couldn't help but wonder how they didn't see it coming. One time I listened to _Closer_ at work, and I honestly felt like I wanted to do something to myself when I got to the second side of it. (Thank God, that feeling passed within minutes.) Hearing "In a Lonely Place" sounds like someone who just has nothing left to give.
Wow I would have loved if Ian was still here and I've always wondered what the 3rd Joy Division album would have sounded like with this track on it along with Ceremony and others!
Probably best to go out on top. Imagine if it had been like the stone roses second coming. All that mystique and anticipation just shattered by one appalling record. I'm not saying he took the right route, but slipping back into his day job and calling it quits on JD would have been quite a statement as well. Obviously his heart wasn't in it. So instead of booking some crazy American tour playing to 12 ppl in Detroit, or suicide, or just walking away from it, patching it up with his wife, doing his day job and buying a nice semi in the suburbs would have been the way to go I think. Their music would have sounded just as good and the only fans they wouldn't have had are like 'suicide' groupies. But you can live without them.
Well.. There was some boys in Manchester that wanted to start a band. First they called themselves Stiff Kittens, then they changed it to Warsaw (after David Bowie’s song) and after that they became Joy Division. The singer, Ian Curtis (also guitar player some times) also wrote some of their songs. Sadly, he was very ill. So, on May 18th 1980 he took his life. The day before they should go to an American tour. The remaining three started New Order. In a lonely place was the last song Ian Curtis wrote/sang. It was also New Order’s first single. Please write again!
Oh is that what happened. Gee thanks. I wish I was old enough to have been one of the few alive in 'granadaland' who ever saw JD, live on TV, seemingly about 25 years before the rest of the world caught on. But thanks for the insider info.
This such a ridiculously good recording. Melodica used to incredible effect. Apparently the AC was low or the heat was high so Barney got that sweaty Ian Curtis look going. Within a year they'd be doing Sunkist commercials. Bright and poppy now. Novus Ordo Seclorum.
@@donnybrooklads Perhaps so yet a great many in the past could play instruments well before they even left school. Still kind of learning to sing/dance play music not at all a premis for success yet the mood of 82 was the right one for development
Biographies are typically filled with 2nd hand sources and a scattering of slight witness accounts of events. Morally biased authors never truly seek full facts of what they largely make wild assumptions never having actually been in the music industry themselves or only briefly
Still had to be pretty raw. Hearing "hanged," you think someone swinging off a noose, but he actually used the rope from an indoor clothes dryer and kneeled. I don't know why, but that seems to make it even worse.
@@wvu05One of my friends killed herself the same way during the pandemic. It's awful because she and Ian had time to change their minds during the process, but didn't.
@@liselottefrejdig1112 Yep, that was actually the very first version I ever heard. I guess it's slightly different from what is on the compilation _Substance_ , but I don't know what those difference are off hand. Have you heard the relatively recently uncovered (i.e., in the past ten years) with Ian Curtis? Truly devastating.
@@liselottefrejdig1112 Yeah, that's what I meant by "relatively recently." The version from Heart and Soul was only partially complete, but Peter Hook unearthed a complete version which has been on RUclips for the past 10 years, I think.
Have been dying to see this since I saw it was included in that extravagant Movement box set. I wish they sold the DVD on its own. Anyway, it’s so awesome to see them actually playing the Powertran Transcendent 2000 mono synth. Also spotted the ARP Quadra that Gillian is playing. For some reason, I thought she only played a Juno-6/60 during this era, but maybe that’s the synth behind her that’s not being played?
Fuck, like the tune as any JD-NO single note, but this is so dense and depressing. Dont understand totally the lyrics (I´m spanish) but the melody is like a funeral
Caressing the marble and stone Love that was special for one The waste in the fever and heat How I wish you were here with me now Body that curls in and dies Hardship that often belies Warm like a dog round your feet How I wish you were here with me now Hangman looks round as he waits Cord stretches tight then it breaks Someday we will die in your dreams How I wish we were here with you now
Ian Curtis was involved with this song..I think it reflected it his vulnerable state of mind...its definitely not meant to be happy or mainstream but it sounds absolutely incredible and powerful
@@martever2012 Indeed. It was the last song he wrote, weeks before his suicide. Hearing this, I can't help but wonder how nobody knew. Not that they could have stopped it (Debbie said that when he was a teenager, he repeatedly said that he wanted to die young, and he turned on Bowie because he didn't), and maybe hindsight is 20/20, but this seems like someone SCREAMING for help.
The only version that exists is the one where you can barely hear his voice. He wrote it weeks before he died, and the band never had a chance to play it. Given the brevity of the lyrics, this may well have still been in the draft stages when he died, but the band kept it as-is as a tribute.
love the echo. it's like some pagan ritual where beautiful demon child barney has summoned the ghost of ian to carry him through the song...(and it really worked)
@@balkanarchist haha I have the same problem with steve and barney - mostly barney. fortunately I did find a particularly sweaty gig they did a few years later where wee bernard did end up losing his top, followed by hooky...should've done that more often.
Ian was irreplaceable..... Powerful, intense, heartfelt vocals..... I think the band made the right decision by using existing members Hooky & Bernard for vocals
I heard the Bush cover (The Crow: City of Angels soundtrack) long before the original...While I typically always give the nod to the original artists, I think Bush's cover is brilliant and sonically better.
It also invokes a more dark and lonely feeling. Not lonely to the point of sadness but lonely as in like walking a desolate city street at night, with nothing to consume your mind but your thoughts and memories.
The pace is simply not right ...Curtis would had wanted this as dirgy and drony as possible. I even doubt he would had been in this band much longer had he lived ...rest of these lads can´t even begin to fathom what is it Ian was trying to communicate .
Don't pretend you know what he would have wanted. My guess is these guys had a much clearer idea of what he had in mind. All there is from ian is basically a first draft. You have no idea where it might have gone. And in a way neither did they. So they did it their way and it sounds cool to me.
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You can see the effort Ian's band mates put in to the last song Ian ever wrote. They performed it greatly.
With love
He killed him self after this
Stephen is a drumming machine
looks like Bernard is about to cry or tears after he played his flute/harmonica after each verses
melodica
I noticed that to
Yes, I also saw that and became quite moved. I like to think it was because they knew what they had
All the more poignant as it was so soon after Ian's death.
A superb rendition; the direction they were to take is already evident. Sumner, ice-cool and baby-faced.
Last song that Ian Curtis wrote before his sucide.. One of the best Joy Division/New order songs ever..
And then they say that the suicides don't say what they're going to do... Anik Honoré listened to Closer and described the album as "horrible". To the other band members, Ian was a "happy" person. In short: you can talk as much as you want, but if it's for deaf ears, the result is just one: total indifference...
She never said horrible, she heard Closer and Tony Wilson asked her what she thought of the album and she said that she was terrified! And really concerned for Ian saying that "don't you understand he means it"! and Tony was saying to her no no no don't worry its just art! I think Tony described himself and others as silly c**ts in the fact that they never saw it coming. I have to say that Closer is my favorite album of all time!
*Suicide* :)
@Pazuzu82 Indeed. Admittedly, it's easier to see it in hindsight, but I just couldn't help but wonder how they didn't see it coming. One time I listened to _Closer_ at work, and I honestly felt like I wanted to do something to myself when I got to the second side of it. (Thank God, that feeling passed within minutes.) Hearing "In a Lonely Place" sounds like someone who just has nothing left to give.
You felt you wanted to do something to yourself listening to album? What sort of moron are you? Fucking clown
Wow I would have loved if Ian was still here and I've always wondered what the 3rd Joy Division album would have sounded like with this track on it along with Ceremony and others!
Have thought the same so many times, could have added atmosphere etc etc , so much potential ❤️
Probably best to go out on top. Imagine if it had been like the stone roses second coming. All that mystique and anticipation just shattered by one appalling record. I'm not saying he took the right route, but slipping back into his day job and calling it quits on JD would have been quite a statement as well. Obviously his heart wasn't in it. So instead of booking some crazy American tour playing to 12 ppl in Detroit, or suicide, or just walking away from it, patching it up with his wife, doing his day job and buying a nice semi in the suburbs would have been the way to go I think. Their music would have sounded just as good and the only fans they wouldn't have had are like 'suicide' groupies. But you can live without them.
Written by Ian Curtis, singer in Joy Division. After his death, the rest of the band formed New Order.
tell me more !! please !!
Well.. There was some boys in Manchester that wanted to start a band. First they called themselves Stiff Kittens, then they changed it to Warsaw (after David Bowie’s song) and after that they became Joy Division. The singer, Ian Curtis (also guitar player some times) also wrote some of their songs. Sadly, he was very ill. So, on May 18th 1980 he took his life. The day before they should go to an American tour. The remaining three started New Order. In a lonely place was the last song Ian Curtis wrote/sang. It was also New Order’s first single. Please write again!
Mount Helens volcano erupted the same day that Ian died, nearly about the same time, very spooky!😱
Oh is that what happened. Gee thanks. I wish I was old enough to have been one of the few alive in 'granadaland' who ever saw JD, live on TV, seemingly about 25 years before the rest of the world caught on. But thanks for the insider info.
This such a ridiculously good recording. Melodica used to incredible effect. Apparently the AC was low or the heat was high so Barney got that sweaty Ian Curtis look going.
Within a year they'd be doing Sunkist commercials. Bright and poppy now. Novus Ordo Seclorum.
They never actually did the Sunskit commercial
Stunning......reaches the places that other music cant.....I think this song was earmarked for Ian but this is still a brilliant live version
Epic cathedral swooping sound.
Still Fckn Brilliant.
Gillian's hair is mega goth here.
I get Rachael in _Blade Runner_ vibes.
It's a powerful song Bernard's voice more just like Ian Curtis's voice before the progress in the mid 80s
Who else misses the 80s?
i know i do
Who saw these shows???
I didn't know of them until Low Life, 1985.
Me
Me too..
We were very lucky to have experienced them
I love the sudden and abrupt end.
4:55 Gillian is very cute with this lion's mane :-0
RIP Ian. Joy Division version is awesome too
Where have all the years gone. I went to see New Order many a time at the Hacienda.
Even tho Ian died in 1980 decades later people still know who ian is
Best live rendition I've seen. Great quality. Tx!!!!!
Young men who knew life beyond their years and could play all their own instruments how times have changed!.
Yeahhh but errrr Gillian was errr still kinda learning .
@@donnybrooklads Perhaps so yet a great many in the past could play instruments well before they even left school. Still kind of learning to sing/dance play music not at all a premis for success yet the mood of 82 was the right one for development
@@donnybrooklads she can play keys way way better than barney can play guitar
Biographies are typically filled with 2nd hand sources and a scattering of slight witness accounts of events. Morally biased authors never truly seek full facts of what they largely make wild assumptions never having actually been in the music industry themselves or only briefly
@@ShikiraPressley they said autobiography, which means it's written (or co written) by the subject.
Thank u so much, its a great version with excellent quality ..
Seems Bernard can't get the word "hangman" out clearly at 2:38. I can't blame him.
Still had to be pretty raw. Hearing "hanged," you think someone swinging off a noose, but he actually used the rope from an indoor clothes dryer and kneeled. I don't know why, but that seems to make it even worse.
@@wvu05One of my friends killed herself the same way during the pandemic. It's awful because she and Ian had time to change their minds during the process, but didn't.
Wow, I never heard this version before. Amazing!
Have you heard the 12” maxi single version (with New Order). It’s more than Very Good!!
@@liselottefrejdig1112 Yep, that was actually the very first version I ever heard. I guess it's slightly different from what is on the compilation _Substance_ , but I don't know what those difference are off hand.
Have you heard the relatively recently uncovered (i.e., in the past ten years) with Ian Curtis? Truly devastating.
@@mournblade1066 It’s a part of it on the Heart and Soul box. But the whole version is here on RUclips. Bernard is good, but Ian is Great!!
@@liselottefrejdig1112 Yeah, that's what I meant by "relatively recently." The version from Heart and Soul was only partially complete, but Peter Hook unearthed a complete version which has been on RUclips for the past 10 years, I think.
Lament for Ian Curtis RIP
no written when Ian was still alive when they were still Joy Division
Great version-first time hearing this...thanks for posting...
Then you haven’t heard the original with Joy Division!? Search for it here on RUclips.. Much better!
Have been dying to see this since I saw it was included in that extravagant Movement box set. I wish they sold the DVD on its own. Anyway, it’s so awesome to see them actually playing the Powertran Transcendent 2000 mono synth. Also spotted the ARP Quadra that Gillian is playing. For some reason, I thought she only played a Juno-6/60 during this era, but maybe that’s the synth behind her that’s not being played?
she's playing ARP Quadra, and behind is something looking like Prophet-5 or Memorymoog
@@awaken77 Yeah. It's a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5.
Nice, the long version live
The drums …
40 years today.
Great quality, thanks!
His bone structure is utterly beautiful ❤️
Fuck, like the tune as any JD-NO single note, but this is so dense and depressing. Dont understand totally the lyrics (I´m spanish) but the melody is like a funeral
Caressing the marble and stone
Love that was special for one
The waste in the fever and heat
How I wish you were here with me now
Body that curls in and dies
Hardship that often belies
Warm like a dog round your feet
How I wish you were here with me now
Hangman looks round as he waits
Cord stretches tight then it breaks
Someday we will die in your dreams
How I wish we were here with you now
Ian Curtis was involved with this song..I think it reflected it his vulnerable state of mind...its definitely not meant to be happy or mainstream but it sounds absolutely incredible and powerful
@@martever2012 Indeed. It was the last song he wrote, weeks before his suicide. Hearing this, I can't help but wonder how nobody knew. Not that they could have stopped it (Debbie said that when he was a teenager, he repeatedly said that he wanted to die young, and he turned on Bowie because he didn't), and maybe hindsight is 20/20, but this seems like someone SCREAMING for help.
Haunting
The lyrics are on a higher level.
A haunting and otherworldly tribute to their singer, as Joy Division, Ian Curtis.
Greatness and sadness.
It's not a tribute to Curtis. JD originally recorded it.
Mic drop moment-Morris 🙌🏻
Killer version!
This version went to eleven
My favourite from JD
Masterpiece.
brilliance
Awesome ❤
Sinister song but great
You can feel that they are still missing Ian...the suffering lingers on...
Barney's got Ian's thousand-mile-stare here.
Added to my new playlist Hope United
amo new order, mas o vocal do Ian deixa uma melancolia desgraçada.
Have we ever heard a proper killer version of Ian singing this song?
ruclips.net/video/aVTaPr0QLvY/видео.html
The only version that exists is the one where you can barely hear his voice. He wrote it weeks before he died, and the band never had a chance to play it. Given the brevity of the lyrics, this may well have still been in the draft stages when he died, but the band kept it as-is as a tribute.
Yeah
the problem with this is the echo on the lead vocal, other than that...it's good.
i actually thought that was the sickest part
love the echo. it's like some pagan ritual where beautiful demon child barney has summoned the ghost of ian to carry him through the song...(and it really worked)
@@balkanarchist haha I have the same problem with steve and barney - mostly barney. fortunately I did find a particularly sweaty gig they did a few years later where wee bernard did end up losing his top, followed by hooky...should've done that more often.
I think it ads to the despair.
So much echo I agree spoils it, prefer the bleaker original
Hooky with his back to the audience!😂
Nowadays he's Mr.Smiley because he wants the money!!😂
C A P T I V A T I N G
Is there a full concert recording?
Why does this give me Jim Morrison vibes?
To get the vocals up to the level of Ian Curtis they should have borrowed a different Ian who at the time was the only man up to the job.
Ian was irreplaceable..... Powerful, intense, heartfelt vocals..... I think the band made the right decision by using existing members Hooky & Bernard for vocals
@@martever2012 Indeed only one Ian Curtis.
He was the top man !
pity no stereo sound
This was before stereo!
Wow, short of lines..
I heard the Bush cover (The Crow: City of Angels soundtrack) long before the original...While I typically always give the nod to the original artists, I think Bush's cover is brilliant and sonically better.
Loser
@@eancurtis9333 says the person whos avatar is named after a singer.
@@coolhandchunk hater
It also invokes a more dark and lonely feeling. Not lonely to the point of sadness but lonely as in like walking a desolate city street at night, with nothing to consume your mind but your thoughts and memories.
that cover sucks
NOT on Movement.
Early New Order singles (both A and B sides) were never included on any albums.
Jeziz kryst Barney has freckles
funniest comment in this comment section 🤣
It seems like Sumner hated what he is doing. Can he ever laugh?
Early New Order sounded like Joy Division...I dont think it was supposed to sound happy
He was on a lot of drugs
@@martever2012 Indeed still recovering from the loss of the driving force that was the genius Ian Curtis.
Their image isn't about laughing.
suicide isn't that funny though
The pace is simply not right ...Curtis would had wanted this as dirgy and drony as possible. I even doubt he would had been in this band much longer had he lived ...rest of these lads can´t even begin to fathom what is it Ian was trying to communicate .
Yeah, I’m sure we know what he would want or like more than the people who actually knew him, worked with him and loved him.
@@FreshSpecimens Agreed.
Don't pretend you know what he would have wanted. My guess is these guys had a much clearer idea of what he had in mind. All there is from ian is basically a first draft. You have no idea where it might have gone. And in a way neither did they. So they did it their way and it sounds cool to me.
@@FreshSpecimenstotally yeah
Bernard said Ian would be a writer if he didn’t commit suicide