Comparing my Home Built Computer to a High End Lenovo ThinkStation P920
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- What are the differences between a high-end enterprise-class machine learning workstation and something that you might build yourself? In a nutshell, it is all about cooling, enterprise supportability, and running 24/7 at full load. In this video, I compare my primary machine learning workstation to a Lenovo ThinkStation P920. The specs on the machines are quite different, and the ThinkStation is superior on all technical specs. However, in this video, I focus on engineering concerns, such as cooling, cabling, power supply, and maintainability. The ThinkStation P920 is an impressive machine, as you will see in this video.
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Still debating. I can afford an used workstation or a new custom build. What would you recommend
Hi Jeff, loved it!
My first fancy work computer was a Sun Ultra2 Creator with 2gb of ram and I believe 300mhz Ultrasparc. The PO for it was a little over 26K back in the day.
Im at 2:30min and thinking tool-less workstations is where the money is. I currently have a dual xeon intel case, and it is so beautifully designed.
I hope to pick up a Lenovo P720 next week. I’ve saturated it with 12X 32gig sticks of RAM. Hopefully work well with 3d scanned datasets.🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼😎🍀☮️☮️☮️
As a designer, I feel the dual cpu shroud is designed too also dampen the sound. I mean look at it, it’s a beautiful sound trap. 😎🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼🍀☮️
High end thinkstations have all round a lot to love.
in the used market you can sometimes save a lot of money if you dont use them professionally and dont require a lot of power.
I got a p910 some time ago for 500€. Dont have it anymore.
Now i got a p710. Got it for 325€. Playing around with just the hardware is really fun.
I dont have any use for the dual setup. But at 110€ for 2 E5-2697V4 cpus, i dont think a "need for two cpus" is required.
With a single e5-2697V4 You get performance comparable with the 10700k (in some applications) which i have in my p340. But you get so much space and so many slots to plug things into.
I am really exciting for what will trickle down to the used market in five and more years.
Wash U folks here. I am really interested in P620 Theadripper Pro. Just really wish Lenovo puts a 1600W PSU option instead of 1000W.
Interesting video. I acquired and old workstation from an animation studio and I noticed the Xeon class CPUs also seem to have better longevity. My Workstation is a decade old and runs circles around much more modern consumer CPUs.
Very nice , just a bit confused , should i go with P720 or P920
Yeah these big brand workstations basically sacrifice component compatibility for ease of maintanence. When you make that purchase you are locked down to their proprietary parts. If you bought a Lenovo workstation with a 500w PSU and want to upgrade to a 1000w one later you have no choice but to buy one from Lenovo. You can't use a PSU from Corsair, not Dell, not HP, only Lenovo.
This wouldn't be much of an issue if one company's newer parts stays compatible with older ones. However, sometimes you'll find PSUs made for newer computers won't fit in your old workstation, and the older ones that will fit are no longer being produced. You'll have to shop for a pre-owned one. Luckily there are usually no shortage of these on the second hand market.
Some features are not exclusive to these brand workstations. You can buy hot-swappable, redundant PSUs off the shell and incorporated those in your own build as well.
Hey Jeff, Thank you very much for this video ! Im particularly interested in how the part works that directs airflow, would be nice if you could provide us with a more detailed look of that part next time you have something similar in hand. Greetings and all the best!
Late 2023 is when I seen the awesome modular zero wire connecting fans. It’s safe to say someone previously had the patient to that tech. 😂😑
Quick question: at about the 6:00 mark, you mention that you can't really connect a 3rd GPU with any kind of NVIDIA link. What are the implications of this? Does this mean you can only use the bottom 2 gpus to train a model if you have 3 GPUs installed? Is this because the 3rd GPU is running on the second CPU? If so, what is the point of having the second CPU if you're not running the third GPU? Forgive my ignorance here, I know very less about hardware than I should.
I use refurbished HP “z” class workstations. They are inexpensive, great design, and very reliable.
Z8 you mean or the old one
4:49 Wait, Jeff, does the warmed air exhausted from that first (right) CPU get fed into the input for the 2nd (left) CPU? If so, that can't be good from a thermal management perspective, right?
In a typical server, CPUs sometimes are lined up. It seems like the 2nd CPU does not intake the 1st CPU's exhaust due to this computer's airflow manifold. I wonder how having effectively half of the fan being constricted to half its height for both CPU heatsinks does with sound and thermal management. I've never seen this before. It's quite interesting since this workstation has resemblances of a server and a consumer desktop at the same time.
Why do I feel slow and hot after working some hours at the Lenovo station p920 dual xeon 6154 ? Is it because the video card is old gtx 770 , or from the Kingston m2 ssd boot disk, or from the hard disks inside 5400 rpm , or from the 192 RAM or windows 10 what you think ?
I have a P920 that I use for everything including gaming.
Sure, it's a little bit of an overkill but it is freaking AWESOME !!!!!!!
Great video! From a real ML professional!
How loud is this computer on your desk at idle and when it's crunching numbers? The Lenovo workstation resembles a server with storage at the front, fans in the middle, and the computer at the back, so I'd think that it's super loud and generates so much heat in the room.
I had chosen older D30s mostly because they use bigger fans, that are variable speed, and quiet. They ramp up to full speed on startup, but then settle back down almost immediately. I have rejected other machines, esp. 1u or 2U rack mounts with many 3" fans ("howlers"!), because I _hate_ noise! Love the Lenovo machines, almost like Sun Microsystems.
These are workstations with server level hardware but not server level space constraints. These workstations are some of the most quiet machines you can get. I have a Dell T7920 and its silent. Workstation class machines have optimized airflow with chambers that direct fan intakes to all the components that need cooling. They do not heat the room anywhere near as much as a typical overclocked gaming PC.
Thank you very much 😊.
Jeff, what are you doing to get your Kerala image models to properly use those types of GPU’s. I have just a 1080, and it seems like my gPU is only ever running 10%
OMG, do you hear that things power supplies through his MIC just by touching the case WOW! ??
have you tried using 3090s with NVlink or a rtx 5000?
I have not tried two 3090s
You could buy 256 Raspberry pi 4's for that money. The sum DRAM bandwidth of those might be better than than that of 2 GPU cards. For especially fast nets and using Continuous Gray Code Optimization the RPi's might be a better deal. Or there are some very good 32 to 128 core server boards.
Uhm, how you could put the cluster of 256 RPi's? Also CPU computing not as versatile as GPU computing nowadays...
@@alfred4683 There are faster neural net algorithms available where the time to compute the net is shorter than the time needed to fetch the training data through the DRAM channel. Memory bandwidth becomes the rate limiting step. The total DRAM bandwidth of say 256 cheap ARM CPU boards could be greater than that of a high end GPU. There are plenty of options to investigate to get the best balance between compute, bandwidth, electrical load and cost. Maybe 128 jetson nanos?
@@hoaxuan7074 hmm,is that possible?
Can't get even 1 Raspberry Pi 4 today.
Power adapter for power supply??? I have moved to a custom pc case. As can see is impossible ((( I have 3 x water cooling units 240 rad. Any help would be great. I appreciate it mick Australia
The static sound on the microphone when you touch it.
Which Dual cpu number With p920?
You think is same performance
=hp z8 g4
+1, sub, and thank you :) We only get Lenovo laptops over here, and laptops become ever more like "devices" than computers. Now, workstations are for power users. Very few computers are for power users, and laptops (and Apple stuff) is for casuals. Multiple GPUs today sadly requires specialization, whereas it wasn't the case. There's some sort of productification going on, and it's not necessary for computing.
I wish we could even leave air completely, and just have empty computer cases with water cooling built in. It would work perfectly, but I know very few manufacturers who dare bring this forward. Even at mild overclock your computer would at least be more quiet than your utter waste of money laptop or "device". Regressive times, when we should progress! It's just so sad.
Computing needs to say fuck off to consumers to progress. :/
titanuscomputers sells equally, if not better, than lenovo.
lol when you touch the 920 your mic picks up EMI
nice
It's a nice Lenovo but maybe quite a bit louder than yours.
everytime he said xenon .... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
makes you think about xbox 360... haha
My thinkstation p710 crapped out and extremely unhappy with the quality of the unit. It was running great and I fiddled with it and GPU moved since it uses screwless case and it stopped working. No way to fix. Completely bricked. Only the power supply power light comes on. Highly recommend avoiding this junk. You dig more into itand realize the case is too small. The wiring is not great. The interior air flow sucks and this screwless design is way too fragile. Big disappointment.
There is no comparison between a workstation and a custom build.