Belfast and Israel-Palestine conflict (BBC Documentary)
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- Опубликовано: 4 мар 2013
- Shalom Belfast - A documentary about an Israeli Jew coming to Belfast to learn about the similar conflict. He interviews both sides of this divided city and hears the people's views.
Full credit to BBC Northern Ireland for this footage. 
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The Battle of the Boyne wasn't even in Ulster mate
So unionists will "die for Ulster" it's great to know ye would die for Donegal monaghan and cavan in the republic of Ireland. Gotta respect the unionist love for these roi counties
Loyalist are loyal to Ulster mainly not necessarily loyal to Britain like unionists
@youser1093 suspect yer man who knows the 3 counties of ulster that england purposely cut out when they partitioned ireland to help prolong how long ulster might have a protestant majority is well aware of the difference between loyalists & unionists
rather seems you who doesn't understand what ulster even is, along with many who claim they'd die for it
They're dopes. Don't even realise that
Loyalists don't know who they are or what they believe in. My personal interpretation of this is education and social class. Nearly all Loyalists are from a low social class and have no education. The rest are just brainless. If anyone is educated and has an understanding of what is right and just in the world, they will not be Loyalists. I am friends with many protestants, all of them are educated, know their history and hate loyalists.
It's got a lot to do with in the 70s it's was hard for Catholics to get a job,so most Catholics went to university,and got proper education's,while protestants continued to work in the unionist factories and businesses.totally agree with you on that one.most republicans seem to have a better understanding of geopolitics and world affairs, while loyalists only seem to be concerned with what happens on a local or regional level.i was born Protestant btw.
Both comments above absolutely spot on. Loyalists very one dimensional. Bigotry and hatred is all they know
You'll still be waiting for a United Ireland 100 years from now you traitor suck I bet you and your filthy kids claim British benefits lol 🇬🇧love it or leave it maybe Palestine will take you in
@@oldskoolraver2067 the UK doesn't even want ye sectarian bigoted unionists and Arlene foster are leaving the unionists community behind which ye whine so much about. It won't be long till ye unionists will be ruled by a taoiseach and ye will have to pay in euros🇮🇪
This account is fake lmao
Bigotry and hatred attracts bigotry and hatred, universal brotherhood attracts universal brother. Victory to the irish and palestian peoples.
WW KK how is terror brotherhood, if you want brotherhood, stay in the union
Gordan McKnight, what a meatball.
He is a clown🤡🤡🤡
I was after subbing to ya already!! Cheers for the up!!
The sound seems to be out of sync with the video.
I really liked this documentary, especially the presenter. I think his honesty in presenting the affiliations of Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict shows how people hear what they want to hear because it's convenient to them. I am Jewish by the way.
Also, Northern Ireland looks like a beautiful and interesting place. I would love to go there some day.
the narrator was admittedly ignorant but guess you heard what you wanted & would rather believe incredibly poorly researched propaganda than trying to understand the history of norn iron, including its ties to palestine
@@r_and_a Wow, I'm surprised to hear a response to my comment after 9 years. Can you please tell me why you were offended by my comment?
@@mbassan unsure why you'd be so surprised someone might see & respond to a comment you made on a video about palestine & israel considering what's going on there presently...
also unsure why you'd assume i was "offended" by your comment? seems to be another case of you "hearing what you want to because it's convenient" as you accused others based on poorly researched propaganda
disappointed but neither surprised nor offended by your reactions, including that despite saying norn iron looks like an interesting place that you'd love to visit you apparently haven't learned anymore about it to understand why the video & your comment could be offensive
@@r_and_abasically, I completely admit that I do not know more than basic things about Northern Ireland. It was not my intention to judge anyone nor to offend anybody, but quite the opposite. I simply meant to say that people perceive things differently based on their political situation.
I am currently in Israel and I am living this situation over here. I do not wish anything ill on anybody. I only want for all people to be able to continue their lives peacefully. I hope that this message can clarify my positive intentions. Best regards.
"I grew up wanted to live in the UK and I always thought of Ireland " two very different places m8
If he wanted to live in UK why didn't he go there to live
he was drawn to both culturesssssssss
That's what he meant, that he liked both countries, that's why he then says moving to Belfast "combined" his love of them both.
Like birds of a feather the oppressors flock together.
The British are occupying Irish land and the Jews are occupying Palestinian land, so it makes perfect sense that the Protestants in NI would embrace the cause of the Jewish settlers who in many cases are living on land they have illegally seized from Palestinians.
How is Israel being oppressive? Haven't they offered Palestinians peace in exchange for mutual recognition for about 80 years now?
@@kissfan7
I wouldn’t describe building settlements as a peace offer.
@@XavierY828 Why not? Arabs build homes in Israel, so what's wrong with Jews building homes in the West Bank?
TheRisingOf16
thanks for posting buddy
It's very sad to watch... Sad and stupid how divisive we are as humans... :*(
Legend uploader!! Legend!! Tx a million!!
Once again, legend!! :)
Not a problem my friend, enjoy. I hope it is of use to you. Subscribe and will try and get some more videos up
I'm sure Vice did a similar documentary, or did I imagine that?
he forgot to mention that they march through catholic neighbourhoods, it is not an issue with a "festival" it's an issue with antiganisasation
"I would die for Israel" says the loyalist who couldn't even point it out on a map of the world!!! 🇮🇪✊🏻🇵🇸
Aye and it’s gas how they’re all skinheads. Johnny Adair meeting with German skinhead gangs but fly Israeli flags. Gas
Dissident Republican Gas!? Aye literally .... To death!! 🇮🇪✊🏻🇵🇸
kevin lynch tiocfaidh ár lá🇮🇪🇵🇸
🇬🇧🚫🇺🇸🚫🇮🇱🚫
@@user-go3jv8rw7i love irish brothers from iraqichristian
Also, Rabbi Brackman is spot on with his analysis I think. He puts it very well. And the host in this documentary asks quite interesting questions.
What's the building around 9mins in that he talks to the republicans
's in?
Need subtitles for them subtitles why bother when you are like me and can't spell
once again your a legend will watch it after the match keep the good work up slainte
im not sure if this was entirely balanced
this is fucking mind blowing and bizaare. wow.
the host was really good by the way, cool doco.
These guys are F...ing awesome! Way to go for supporting what is right and bringing equality to all nations and factions
I spent time in Belfast years ago in the early 90s with friends. I had no issue it was very different then there were soldiers but I would never change my experience. I felt safe and spent the best summer of my life. Yes it was scary when my passport was demanded once on the bus but I knew from friends that was life. I only wish Belfast would be the city I remember for all those who may enjoy Ulster
"The Arabs have only been there since 1967" What a complete fool. They've been there 1000's of years. He goes to America, gets a piece of paper that he can't even read that let's him pretend to be a Jew, and now he's going to Israel completely ignorant of the history of the land, and bringing his racism along with him. I'm so glad that the presenter berated him for his total ignorance.
musashidanmcgrath
Doesn't the Koran say Allah assigned Israel to the Jews until the Day of Judgement (Sura 5 Verse 21), and that Jews are the inheritors of Israel (Sura 26 Verse 59)?
Allah has already named it 'The Holy Land' and bequeathed it to the Children of Israel until the Day of Judgment. You will never defeat Israel because Allah does not will it.
Elcapitan Noir Palestine is for the Palestinian... Zionisnazi Jews belong to Khazaria and Europe... thats it.....
+anglojojo Wrong, there is a statue of Richard the Lion outside the British houses of Parliament celebrating his crusade to, and I quote "Palestine" so how are Palestinians a political invention since they were there even by the British admission, during the crusades
+Man On A Mission what about giving the land you stole of lebanon back and free vanunu
***** im not they should all live in peace but its the hypocracy of the uk & usa goverments only 1country in the middle east has nuclear weapons and thats israel but no one says anything about it plus israel always attacks palestinian people then the worlds press suck upto israel building a wall just like what happend in east germany etc etc etc
i can see that the tensions in northern Ireland and the conflict and occupation in israel/palestine are similar but different in the same way. the way in which the palestinians are treated in the occupied territories is the same way in the catholics in northern ireland were treated during the troubles.
for far more than just the troubles tbf
At least the presenter sees the situation for what it's worth. When he speaks to this guy Gordon McKnight, who is the most deluded person I have ever experienced, he brings him right down to ground level. A very interesting documentary. Hopefully we can look forward to a time when there are no more documentaries to be made about this particular conflict.
You can see there's a educational divide in this country just by watching this.
Con McAllister you really can the catholics are by far superior
The only part people should watch is 17:19 , why can't pro-Israelis understand this?
I'm not giving his name, he was elected in the Fermanagh district a good few years ago. He's independent now.
An Israeli living in Northern Ireland. It doesn't get more improbable than that.
im lost for words. damn...evil has no boundries
The thirty two county is nearly upon us,and hears hoping Hamas hold it together with their counterparts.
if Israel was never a state,then what state did Herod the great rule in the days of ancient Rome,that guy saying Israel was a religion ,not a state needs some ancient history lessons.
He administered a region of 'ancient Rome' ya dumpling.
Never mind Herod. What about King David? Historical Israel was a nation with a state religion. Similar to the Crown of Britain being the head of the Church of England. Or the Islamic Caliphate of the Middle Ages, or Byzantium.
He was appointed by the Romans to rule one of their provinces, it was not a separate state and was a mixed population at the time. A few decades later the Romans drove all the Jews out of Judea.
Isn't it funny how people become accustomed to the beauty of their own homes? Or become attracted to other countries? Like the guy around the 20 minute mark, who wants to move to Israel, and at the same time, the host thinks it is more beautiful near the ocean where they are sitting. Very interesting stuff. This is a good documentary.
Palestine will be free 🇵🇸🇮🇪
No Surrender to what? Loyalists are in Government with Sinn Fein and ex IRA men...The Union Flag has been lowered, only one thing left to change and you know what it is...Judgement day is coming
This guy is a really good person,he want peace on all sides,that is his message !
sure he was, told ya aman he couldnt have an opinion on the israel palestine conflict yet has an opinion on ours.. do behave ..
Why was there no Palestinian or Muslim people interviewed?
It was filmed in Northern Ireland. Everybody was Irish or British, except the Israeli guy who made the documentary.
How can a religion be a state tbf
thats why the state has freedom of religion and from religion .you can criticize jerusalem up in public with no blasphemy laws.thats why over half the jews in israel aint really religious and nearly 30 percent dont believe in the bible in any way...
Exactly, it can't. A belief system is just that, a belief system. That can't be a nation, nationality, race or ethnicity.
@Larry Duke how so? you can pick any religion or belief you want including atheism.we have tv shows laughing on prime time on all religions,including(even mostly) judaism. you hage restaurants selling non kosher and nob halal food all across israel,even jerusalem has gay parade. how is it taking you religuos freedom, pharaoh?
@Larry Duke there is no obligatory circumcission in israel,sure there isnt any special clothing anyone has to dress (beaides punishment for indecent exposure).so what are you talking about?
Actually if you really watch the vid he seems quite sympathetic to the Nationalist community.....dont jump to conclusions!
What a terribly biased documentary.
I only had to watch about 30 seconds of this to see it was already extremely biased.
I love his Keith Moon t-shirt.
Hearing him singing "The rising of the moon" with that accent is weird to be honest, especially given what they're doing right now 😳
Who does it belong to?
FREEDOM TO PALESTINE AND IRELAND.
most Jews in Israel are descended from Arab Jews were persecuted as Tiny minorities in massive massive Muslim empires. should my family return to Yemen to have no rights whatsoever to have our orphans kidnapped and forcibly converted to Islam should most the Jews of Israel return to the Middle Eastern countries they originally come from to be persecuted along with the Christians as Tiny minorities amongst over a billion Muslims do you think that that's the same thing as the Irish under the British rule
MrPickledede you don’t know the half of British rule in Ireland
Ireland if free
@@MrPickledede Stop lying you zionist prick, Jews were persecuted and forced to convert in Europe, the Arab Muslims were the only people who treated the Jews like equals
@@hueyfreeman1983 Fuck you bitch
The Palestinians didn’t flee they were forced out their homeland. They were expelled by brutal force. Hence the “Nakba”.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Free Ireland 🇮🇪
An Ulster Protestant-turned-Jew saying to the Palestinian people "you've had a good holiday, but now it's over, time to go home, this land is not yours".
Oh. The. Irony.
Hypocrisy! The Irish have lived in Ireland for over 5,000 years and have been Catholic for 1,600 years. The Protestants came 400 years ago. How can an Israeli support Protestent Ulster Crown rule?
Well because the so called Irish followers of the Catholic faith betray their faith by supporting the Mohamadan assault and occupation of the temple mount and birthplace of modern Christianity to start. I have nothing against Irish protestants or Catholics, but find it hypocritical for an Irish Catholic to be against Israel and support an invented people bearing the Roman term "Palestinia".
To give legitimacy to the PA and Hamas as a people and a state is as asinine as saying Ireland has always been legitimately English. The Jewish people fought against England's and the Arab's grip on their homeland and somehow in the 60's and 70's morons through Europe came to the conclusion the Mohamadans are somehow victims? What kind of an Irishman supports those who almost ruined Europe until Charles Martel saved the continent so the various European cultures could flourish? Catholics attacking protestants is just stupid, since that aggression should turned against the Islamic theocrats ruining Europe.
To say the mohamadans are victims is to also say the Nazis and Communists were also victims in their perversions and rape of Europe.
Yusuf Reyes it's not an ulster crown lol its the crown representing zera and perez and the red hand is the red hand of zera. u are uneducated
The 'so called Irish followers'. Why do all you thick Loyalists use the phrase 'so called' all the time? Do you think that makes you sound clever?
It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with people being bulldozed off their land. The Israelis murdered plenty of British soldiers too.
Don't talk BOLLOCKS you illiterate fuckwit.
Irish Republicans wearing jackets, playing guitar, drinking Guinness and being articulate, Ulster Loyalists in tracksuits, bling, tattoos, swearing and an upside-down Union Jack
Robbie Wright they don't drink Guinness look carefully Guinness was a Protestant
True words. Reminds me of reading about when the authorities cleared out the cells in the H Blocks. In the republican wings they found highbrow books, including many rare volumes, while in the loyalist wings all they found was pornography and few bodybuilding magazines. Pretty much sums it up.
@@peterbolton6193- Republicans are well drilled on how to behave in front of the camera
Richard Rich Guinness was a Protestant man who was born in Kildare. What’s your point?
A functioning loyalist would jus join the military or police
I am an Irish republican, my best friend is Jewish. I support the state of Israel, but I do not want any more Palestinians to be senselessly murdered, and I do not want any more Palestinians to be kicked off their own land. What is fair is fair. The Bible tells us to love thy neighbor. That goes for us Northern Irish Catholics, and it goes for the Jews as well. All must stand before Jesus when we die.
Best comment yet!
Sorry, are you suggesting the Boyne is in Donegal, Cavan or Monaghan? The other three counties? I'm pretty sure it was in County Louth which is in the province of Leinster, not Ulster. You Loyalists are supposed to know more about 1690 than anyone else, come on here you silly sausage!!
many times now i have read the comment, in regard to loyalists, "they could only source weapons from S.A. and israel", thats ridiculous, arms dealers are kinda like drug dealers, or prostitutes, if you can pay you can play
Hahaha, classic ! The loyalist in the Bob the Boozer t-shirt says he would die for Israel. I think he's been drinking a wee bit much. Are these people for real? As the host says, both the Israelis and the Irish have fought against the Brits. The loyalists ARE the Brits !
Catholics and Protestants joined together to pray in Ireland. Brilliant, looks like progress. But because god keeps is eye only on Israel ('Not anywhere else') that's the reason why it's ok for Palestinians and Israelis not to pray together? This was very unclear.
Only the Wakf objects to Israelis and Palestinians praying together on the temple mount.
3:20 wow that dude in the white shirt is lucky as fuck
He said it, there Catholic and Protestant but there all Irish to me 🤔🤔🇮🇪
He's worried about the pro-palestinian guy's speech and advocacy, he tells him "I'm worried your actions will bring more hatred, violence and conflict", but he doesn't seem to mind the loyalist thugs supporting israel.
he gave everybody pushback dont gaslight and be disingenuous.his point was that these barmy mad unionists and nationalists are using the Palestinian Israeli conflict as a proxy issue and battleground to further carry on their own primitive tribal conflict .me hay be wrong but he certainly didn't go easy on the loyalists
@ashley-fk6dp When and where in this video did he have a go at the Unionists? I commented on this video almost 10 years ago but I watched it again to see if I missed anything! Sure enough I didn't 😂. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Irish Republicans/Nationalists standing in solidarity with the Palestinians for the simple fact that they share same struggles at the hands of the blood thirsty imperialists. The Palestinians more so of course. And you know what, I didn't really care if the other side wants to stand with israel, after all they're both oppressors and genocidal murders aren't they? Even though I'm neither Palestinian nor Irish, I've chosen my side. And it looks like you've chosen yours. BTW there are no Bigger gaslighters then the zio-controlled media.
yeah i reread my original comment i was the first to drop the term gaslighting ..reason i used the term was that i reckon even if he didnt take the prods aggresively to task he obviously veiws both sides disfavourably for their missuse of the israeli palestinian conflict to carry on their own historical conflict by proxy ...i reckon this was obvious to you but you stil had a go at the bloke even though he is a very moderate secular israeli leftist who even condemed the marvi marmara incident and said it made him feell ashamed to be israeli ....
"For the pikes must be together at the rising of the moon".
Although you have to consider that there is a reasonable amount that does, and care passionately about the people of Gaza and Palestine. I have a friend who has been in Gaza a few times now.
17:07 "a religion can't be a state". Then what the fuck is the Vatican?
+Brecconable It took a series of many, many events in history for that to happen. If the head of he Catholic Church was situated in literally any other European nation other than the divided, feudal, city-state region that was modern Italy, that would not have happened. But you're right. They Vatican is a special case.
this jewish..guy give`s a one side story..to the public and dosnt tell the real truth..
Then why did you say 9 county of Ulster m8? a) that makes no sense b) if you are trying to pull the "oh, I was just testing you" one, we all know you didn't know that c) thank you for recognising Ulster is not British d) get an education
Once again religion has played a fantastic job in bringing everyone together in both conflicts!
Nah, it’s downstream here
I'm glad i'm atheist living in Belfast.
Are you a protestant atheist or a catholic atheist? 😜
There have always been some in the Calvinist tradition that were very interested in the Old Testament stories about Israel. Cromwell thought the English might be one of the lost tribes of Israel.
Ulster Presbyterians believe that delusional?
Pub is busy eh
A lot can be learnt from this Jewish guy. He can see no correlation between the Israeli conflict and the Irish situation. It is so far removed it is not funny. Anyone who does not want peace is deluded. To build a state in whatever form, people need peace to trust the other side. Politics then can succeed no matter what path it takes. Another important issue is respect. Respect that another can have a different point of view from you, whether you agree or not, is the future. Think people!
Enjoyable documentary should be marketed better though!
you cant compare Israel to northern ireland .
you can & many have, including some who live in norn iron. who are you to say different?
Wat he means is they been occupied for over 50 yrs..
The thoughtful, cultured and reasonable republicans vs the vulgar, mindless and bigoted unionists
this giy seems like a gent.... balanced enough reporting as well
Don't talk shit, there was 5 Provinces in Ireland before the Normans or English came, it consisted of the 4 main provinces with the Royal County as the 5th Province situated in county Meath. And there was a high king of Ireland, Brain Boru is a perfect example. I bet you've never been on the Boyne.
nice show well done intresting view point
cn u count m8.
Wow - Great vid , thanks for posting! Seems whether we like it or not - human nature is religous and political -
wtf did i just watch?
an idiot irishman. probably drunk
The Royal what a great wee place to go. Would definitely recommend a vist very welcoming people.
yea I cn .y cn u spell sausage.
I see how fast the Israeli guy thought of knocking down houses-they have a lot of experience with demolishing houses.
Loads of examples of Palestinians supporting the Irish
absolutely, but that would require the narrator to actually try to learn "boring" *facts* rather than arrogantly acting like he knows better
As an Irish Republican, i have nothing against Israelis, i certainly dont have anything against Jews since my great grandmother was Jewish (though all my family are Catholic) but i just dont agree with how the Israelis are treating the Palestinians, it isnt right, i just hope both sides can find a lasting peace which is suitable for both sides.
Peace wall, don't get out of the car its dangerous and you poke your nose into the middle east conflict. Laughable
Go ahead Ireland let the Palestinians and Islam take over your beautiful Christine Country follow England.
I think I live in northern lreland but after seening this I need to get a map wtf is this shit
I have never watched so much in my life,what that about Israel?? FREE PALESTINE🇵🇸
I'm very anti Israel but this Israeli is a good man.
Well, this was pointless.
We should all act as individuals instead of herding towards loyalist or nationalist tendencies. I lived in the Republic of Ireland all my life and I never had a hatred for Britain or Northern Ireland nor do I see the reason to ally with Palestinians over their conflict with the Israelis because I am an individual. We should treat everyone as an equal who has an individual mind and experience. Borders are make-believe remnants from a savage way of thinking.
I thought Loyalists loved the Jews and Israel?
Nice documentary. It really highlights the pathology of settler colonialism.
With all due respect to the filmmaker, he seems to think we look at the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict as football teams.
Its not that we support Palestine per se.....we support justice...and in this case, it is the Palestinians who are oppressed. If the shoe was on the other foot we would support the Jews.
irish nationalists supported the zionist movement in the 1920s & 1930s before israel became oppressors, furthermore palestinians supported the irish struggles for independence - just because the narrator finds history & root causes of things too "boring" to bother understanding doesn't mean those he's arrogantly judging do
I can't wrap my head around a white british person identifying as Jewish and Israeli. I had a science teacher here in the States who did the same, she was a horrid person
26+6=1
Óglaigh na hÉireann!!!
This whole vid was one sided propaganda, rubbish.
brackman was very interesting I'd like to see orange order to get invited to Dublin :-) for a peaceful demo
Final answer.
It's about colonization,
Exactly. End the Palestinian Arab occupation of Jewish land!
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine all the people sharing all the world
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one