So what are your thoughts on Boox Palma? Would you switch to an eInk phone (if a good one existed)? You can help me out by tapping the like button on this video (it helps a ton with the algorithm)
It's too bad that Yotaphone went bankrupt I think a double sided OLED/Eink phone is a great idea. I'm interested in this device but really what I dream of is a eink display that connects to your phone via bluetooth and mirrors its display for reading. This would potentially both save costs and mean that you rarely need to upgrade it will continue to work with new phones as you upgrade that.
@@Beastw1ck Goodereader apparently told Boox in a meeting that they should make a phone with kaleido 3; that now was the right time. So hopefully in a year we'll have a kaleido 3 phone!
This is great, image if they turned this into a real phone with a built in stylus! it would be the perfect balance between light phone and smart phone while being very practical.
For the love of god, why don’t these companies launch two devices? One designed for the parents and one designed for the children both with cellular connection so your child doesn’t need to have a smart phone they can have an ereader and read all their favourites mid or early childhood books and you can call them or they can call you in an emergency. It’s a massive massive massive marketing opportunity totally being missed
Really hope they make this writing friendly as well, I take so many text notes and wish my Hisense A9 was compatible with my ereader pen. Please bring us a pocket sized note taker, fully customisable, google play phone Boox!
I went the Apple Watch as a Phone route for less distraction. I love it but there were a few things that were missing. (A) Public library apps find it hard pressed to do Audible when I can get the same books for free (b) Does not Bluetooth to my car. This is PRECISELY what Ive been wanting for a less distracting portable media experience. This combined with my Apple Watch my phone wont leave the drawer.
I'd like to hear about the real-world battery life on this, with normal backlight settings and reading as the primary activity. I have an old Kindle that is starting to annoy me with utterly random battery life, and while I can read on my phone (and often do) having a nice backlit e-Ink is just so superior. This is really interesting but if it still needs charging every couple days, it's not enough of a step up.
Pen support and a Sim tray would make me buy this immediately. Would be a great option for reading, writing and editing Boox Notes on the fly. Btw, next time they ask you to keep a SIMcret...uh...i mean secret, please make sure to absolutely not drop any subtle hints for us ;)
Great video - I think the thing keeping me from getting a 'dumb phone' is that I love taking and sharing photos. I've tried carrying round a point-and-shoot but as I work in design and am constantly sending images to clients - the smartphone is just so much more efficient. I want to see a camera-phone that is more camera than phone basically.
For personal reasons I'm in search of a dumb phone and I'll carry a DSLR with me for pictures. I actually didn't like that lite phone 3 is adding a camera.
Great product. I would order today, but I feel that Boox will totally nail it on the 2nd or 3 revision. The 2nd revision will be by late spring 2024 based on their track record. The product has justified itself. Lots of folks love it and are interested in a bit more capability. Does the “listen” function on Reader work. This would really seal the deal for me.
I wonder if they'll ever make an e-ink screen with an *_'area screen refresh?'_* What I mean is... not refresh the parts of a screen that haven't changed but only areas that have, such as a RUclips video that isn't being viewed full screen while leaving the rest of the screen unchanged. Now that would save even more battery power if it could be implemented. Interesting product which no doubt will add a colour screen in the not too distant future.
I would think they could do that with their GPUs. Regarding color, I think they would probably have battery life issues at this form-factor. The Tab Ultra C sucks battery way more than the other devices I have.
I have zero desire for an e-ink phone, but if this thing had a built-in stylus and the ability to handwrite lists, I'd own one already. That said, I'm still super tempted. The specs look way better than the InkPalms. (Have you tried an InkPalm? If it's just being used as a super small reading device maybe the specs on it are okay?) I'm going to purchase an e-ink device (or two) of some kind this year. However, as someone that's been using an iphone since Gen 1 and macs at home and work, I'm struggling to understand the ecosystem. I'm a total android newb. Perhaps this would be a good video topic? For example, is there any way to sync Boox devices to each other - like say if I picked up a Palma and a Tab Ultra C/ Note Air 2 Plus? I'm interested in being able to at least view those notes on an ipad/mac as well. What are my options? Are there third party software solutions that will allow Boox devices to play nice with apple devices? If I put a to-do list together on a larger device will it sync automatically so it's on the Palma if I carry that one around? Does the Palma on screen keyboard (I assume there is one?) work decently enough to jot down quick lists? I likely have ADHD and I just really need some kind of list taking and note taking device that is dumb enough that I won't be constantly pulled into distractions like I am with an iphone/ipad/computer. I like writing things down by hand because I find that really helps with retention and as a creative, analog-flavored tools also tend to work better for me.
I wish I could use this for navigation, but it doesn't seem have gps, and map apps might not display their maps well in monochrome. If you've tried it, I'd love to hear how it went.
I have no idea who this is for, if it doesn't have sim support then youd need another phone anyways, and at that point you might as well buy one of their tablets, i have the nova air, larger screen, comes with pen and case, still runs Android, if they make a successor to this phone they definitely need the sim and itd be cool to see a color eink display
Would definitely benefit a ton from having cellular support. I could go either way on the color piece. Writing would be nice though. My wife was asking me this morning whether it’s supports writing.
How can be so many years of people asking for a smartphone with e-ink still no one makes it…? is like it was forbidden or something. No company wants to make money with something like this? Is a ux problem??
My guess is that it’s too niche and/or would be one of those things where people think “yeah this covers 99% of the things my color-screen phone does but that other 1% sucks, let me just be safe and get a normal smartphone”
Can anyone please confirm if this device allows screen rotation? I want to attach a keyboard in the USB-C and use it to write on, with the device placed horizontally.
Imagine this, but with a front facing camera, docked stylus (think Samsung S22/23), color e-ink display and 4/5g with e-sim support... they would sell crap tons of them
For me, I would probably use Google Voice in the absence of a SIM card. I find myself in WiFi covered areas a lot so it would work pretty well assuming there's a mic. Still waiting for the Wacom support for the Palma though. I have to figure that's coming at some point because it seems to be one of the top requests. But I wonder how much the price will go up. $250 is already kinda high for this without it.
SIM card would be the game changer. I think there would be a thankfull market for eink-smartphones. I was lucky and got one of the palmas and I'm really excited.
I guess if you don't really care about text messaging, and making phone calls this might work. It's really just a glorified e-reader, I couldn't replace my phone with it unfortunately. My minimum needs for a low distraction device would be : text, phone, maps, music, chatgpt. Everything else I can do with my tablet when I need to. Mainly I want the browser, email, all that stuff gone from my phone. I want a simple phone with great maps, music, and chatgpt so I can find stuff out but not get drawn into the web.
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It's not correct that it only uses battery when the screen changes. Unless you're turning it off, it's still running in the background. It will be quite efficient but it's still using the battery when it's on
I wonder if they can use 2 processors one for screen refresh and for one background apps, would it speed up the process. Not like the battery is taking a hit. I’d really love a device like this I wonder if it would eventual help my ADHD, for now I just delete the big 3 for a week but even that has its limitations.
From what i know they use a very responsive e ink screen which called carta 1200 and yes indeed they applied a dedicated GPU which help to cope better the ghosting e ink technology traditionally suffers from beside the the main processor which is the Snapdragon 665 as far as i remember which is decent for this device case uses and all of these help makes the device very fast to work with despite its an e ink device .
The *only* thing thats stopping me from buying Boox is the janky way that you sorta can and sorta cant sideload as I dont like using the crappy (spyware) ebook apps
I guess I understand wanting a SIM card in this, so you can use it asa second phone, but... I'm also guessing most people wouldn't want to rely on a black and white eInk cellphone for very long, and would likely still carry their regular color phone. I can see taking it to the beach or the pool, perhaps, where you have a phone for ermergency;ish pruposes, though.
I do a lot of reading and am seriously considering getting this. I love my iPhone, but using it at the pool or in bright lighting conditions just doesn't work. I am a heavy user of Reader by Readies so this might be the perfect solution for me.
Do you think you can use Google Voice to make and receive calls via a WIFI connection. I use Google Voice on all my android phones and an Android Tablet which seems to work rather well. Minus a SIM card, it should work fine via WIFI.
They need to just put a fucking SIM and cellular antennas in it. Why was this not something they did the first time round. I'd have bought it day one if it did. Also I would prefer it a lil smaller cause I'm also just sick of large phones now too, this would be bigger than my current daily driver (Pixel 3)
If they could come out with a phone version where google maps functioned well and had both a front and rear facing camera it would be my ideal phone device.
I was wondering if you’ve ever tried to use the alarm on this device as a morning alarm. I saw commentary about another Boox device saying that it wasn’t loud enough to serve as a morning alarm lol :)
Great review, especially the part about Readwise Reader. My question is can you highlight and annotate Reader articles - and are these highlights and annotations saved in Readwise?
Excellent video! I'm actually interested in buying this device to use for taking notes in Obsidian. I see you also installed Obsidian on your Boox Palma. What is the note taking experience? And have you used an external bluetooth keyboard with the Boox Palma? I plan on combining the Palma with a Nuphy Air 75, for anywhere writing and note-taking without straining my eyes with an LCD screen.
Looks more portable than kindle . But To be honest its not recommended to read in such tiny device. Will damage the eyes In long run. Better to use a kindle.
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So what are your thoughts on Boox Palma? Would you switch to an eInk phone (if a good one existed)?
You can help me out by tapping the like button on this video (it helps a ton with the algorithm)
I fantasize about doing it, but then I think about things like maps on my iPhone…
It's too bad that Yotaphone went bankrupt I think a double sided OLED/Eink phone is a great idea.
I'm interested in this device but really what I dream of is a eink display that connects to your phone via bluetooth and mirrors its display for reading. This would potentially both save costs and mean that you rarely need to upgrade it will continue to work with new phones as you upgrade that.
If it works on Tmobile or other US networks, I’ll switch
If it had color I would switch in a second
Do you know Hisense makes e-ink phones?
Man do they ever need to make this into a SIM-enabled phone. I'd buy one immediately.
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with kaleido 3 screen
Same
That would be my dream phone. Light phone falls short for me but I love when I’m using it.
@@Beastw1ck Goodereader apparently told Boox in a meeting that they should make a phone with kaleido 3; that now was the right time. So hopefully in a year we'll have a kaleido 3 phone!
Add gps, sim and nfc and I have the thing I have wanted for years. Waterproofing too please. Is it readable in the sun?
Of course it's readable in the sun, it's e-ink.
@@eisenspielyeah lol 😂
This is great, image if they turned this into a real phone with a built in stylus!
it would be the perfect balance between light phone and smart phone while being very practical.
If it had a Sim card and a Wacom layer, I wouldn't really think about it and just get it. I still miss my Galaxy Note phones.
For the love of god, why don’t these companies launch two devices? One designed for the parents and one designed for the children both with cellular connection so your child doesn’t need to have a smart phone they can have an ereader and read all their favourites mid or early childhood books and you can call them or they can call you in an emergency. It’s a massive massive massive marketing opportunity totally being missed
That would be amazing.
Really hope they make this writing friendly as well, I take so many text notes and wish my Hisense A9 was compatible with my ereader pen. Please bring us a pocket sized note taker, fully customisable, google play phone Boox!
How do you like the A9?
I went the Apple Watch as a Phone route for less distraction. I love it but there were a few things that were missing. (A) Public library apps find it hard pressed to do Audible when I can get the same books for free (b) Does not Bluetooth to my car.
This is PRECISELY what Ive been wanting for a less distracting portable media experience. This combined with my Apple Watch my phone wont leave the drawer.
I'd like to hear about the real-world battery life on this, with normal backlight settings and reading as the primary activity. I have an old Kindle that is starting to annoy me with utterly random battery life, and while I can read on my phone (and often do) having a nice backlit e-Ink is just so superior. This is really interesting but if it still needs charging every couple days, it's not enough of a step up.
Too bad that integration of Zotero is so terrible on Android. This could have been researcher's or academic's best pocket friend.
Pen support and a Sim tray would make me buy this immediately. Would be a great option for reading, writing and editing Boox Notes on the fly.
Btw, next time they ask you to keep a SIMcret...uh...i mean secret, please make sure to absolutely not drop any subtle hints for us ;)
Noted.
It's just soooooo close, it's almost painful to yearn for.
Great video - I think the thing keeping me from getting a 'dumb phone' is that I love taking and sharing photos. I've tried carrying round a point-and-shoot but as I work in design and am constantly sending images to clients - the smartphone is just so much more efficient. I want to see a camera-phone that is more camera than phone basically.
try F22 Pro phone but the rear camera is just basic 8Mp, however it's the best option now for a smart dumb phone
For personal reasons I'm in search of a dumb phone and I'll carry a DSLR with me for pictures. I actually didn't like that lite phone 3 is adding a camera.
I'd be happy if they added GPS and did actual waterproofing... for outdoors use like navigation, gps caching... i could live without GSM 😁
That would be sweet as device to be one with nature.
I think it does have a gps module. If you have a wifi connection it can run maps in theory
Great product. I would order today, but I feel that Boox will totally nail it on the 2nd or 3 revision. The 2nd revision will be by late spring 2024 based on their track record. The product has justified itself. Lots of folks love it and are interested in a bit more capability.
Does the “listen” function on Reader work. This would really seal the deal for me.
Thank you Brandon.
Do you think the android 11 is an issue? or will be an issue in a year or two?
Thank you very much!
I wonder if they'll ever make an e-ink screen with an *_'area screen refresh?'_*
What I mean is... not refresh the parts of a screen that haven't changed but only areas that have, such as a RUclips video that isn't being viewed full screen while leaving the rest of the screen unchanged. Now that would save even more battery power if it could be implemented.
Interesting product which no doubt will add a colour screen in the not too distant future.
I would think they could do that with their GPUs.
Regarding color, I think they would probably have battery life issues at this form-factor. The Tab Ultra C sucks battery way more than the other devices I have.
I have zero desire for an e-ink phone, but if this thing had a built-in stylus and the ability to handwrite lists, I'd own one already. That said, I'm still super tempted. The specs look way better than the InkPalms. (Have you tried an InkPalm? If it's just being used as a super small reading device maybe the specs on it are okay?)
I'm going to purchase an e-ink device (or two) of some kind this year. However, as someone that's been using an iphone since Gen 1 and macs at home and work, I'm struggling to understand the ecosystem. I'm a total android newb. Perhaps this would be a good video topic? For example, is there any way to sync Boox devices to each other - like say if I picked up a Palma and a Tab Ultra C/ Note Air 2 Plus? I'm interested in being able to at least view those notes on an ipad/mac as well. What are my options? Are there third party software solutions that will allow Boox devices to play nice with apple devices? If I put a to-do list together on a larger device will it sync automatically so it's on the Palma if I carry that one around? Does the Palma on screen keyboard (I assume there is one?) work decently enough to jot down quick lists? I likely have ADHD and I just really need some kind of list taking and note taking device that is dumb enough that I won't be constantly pulled into distractions like I am with an iphone/ipad/computer. I like writing things down by hand because I find that really helps with retention and as a creative, analog-flavored tools also tend to work better for me.
I need one but with a sim card slot to ditch my phone.
I just ordered one. Can’t wait to have it the day after tomorrow!
That’s quick. Where did you order it from?
@@BrandonKBoswell Amazon Japan (I’m in Japan). I took my decision after watching your video and those made by Voya and Kit about the Palma.
I wish I could use this for navigation, but it doesn't seem have gps, and map apps might not display their maps well in monochrome. If you've tried it, I'd love to hear how it went.
I think the refresh rate would make it worse than the monochrome screen
If it has cell service, I would 100% buy it.
I have no idea who this is for, if it doesn't have sim support then youd need another phone anyways, and at that point you might as well buy one of their tablets, i have the nova air, larger screen, comes with pen and case, still runs Android, if they make a successor to this phone they definitely need the sim and itd be cool to see a color eink display
Would definitely benefit a ton from having cellular support. I could go either way on the color piece. Writing would be nice though. My wife was asking me this morning whether it’s supports writing.
How can be so many years of people asking for a smartphone with e-ink still no one makes it…? is like it was forbidden or something. No company wants to make money with something like this? Is a ux problem??
My guess is that it’s too niche and/or would be one of those things where people think “yeah this covers 99% of the things my color-screen phone does but that other 1% sucks, let me just be safe and get a normal smartphone”
IP67+stylus+GPS that would be so nice.
Can anyone please confirm if this device allows screen rotation? I want to attach a keyboard in the USB-C and use it to write on, with the device placed horizontally.
Yes, you can use it horizontally.
I also use it with readwise reader :)
A man of taste I see.
Imagine this, but with a front facing camera, docked stylus (think Samsung S22/23), color e-ink display and 4/5g with e-sim support... they would sell crap tons of them
Sounds nice. Battery Life on Color e-Ink would be rough in this form factor
I'd 100% buy the phone version of this.
For me, I would probably use Google Voice in the absence of a SIM card. I find myself in WiFi covered areas a lot so it would work pretty well assuming there's a mic.
Still waiting for the Wacom support for the Palma though. I have to figure that's coming at some point because it seems to be one of the top requests. But I wonder how much the price will go up. $250 is already kinda high for this without it.
SIM card would be the game changer. I think there would be a thankfull market for eink-smartphones. I was lucky and got one of the palmas and I'm really excited.
Totally! Enjoy it, a lot of people missed out
Omg an e ink phone? That would be the perfect phone for me...
I guess if you don't really care about text messaging, and making phone calls this might work. It's really just a glorified e-reader, I couldn't replace my phone with it unfortunately. My minimum needs for a low distraction device would be : text, phone, maps, music, chatgpt. Everything else I can do with my tablet when I need to. Mainly I want the browser, email, all that stuff gone from my phone. I want a simple phone with great maps, music, and chatgpt so I can find stuff out but not get drawn into the web.
This is exactly what I want too
Exactly this. Fingers crossed the Boox is listening.
I would LOVE to have this...but the lack of a sim slot really breaks it for me
Android 11 - old technology - skip this obsolete slab - Android 15 is coming out in a few months now
like this but:
i want more:
6.6" screen: or 7.7"
5G:
snapdragon 695 or stronger:
I like it. I want one. Give me that one.
I'm enjoying it too much. Maybe another day.
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how do you get access to your highlights taken in the "Library" app?
Bought it, but give it pen input à la Samsung note and gsm and I’m replacing my phone
I don’t even need the pen input, just give me cellular and I’m good.
Got excited, discovered no sim card slot, gave up.
I see Obsidian. How does it run? Restarts often on my UltraC (seems Boox is putting it to sleep?)
I haven’t had much luck with Obsidian on Mobile, even on my iPhone.
If they ever do a color version of this device and don't remove the micro SD card I'll buy it no questions asked.
I think I spotted Readwise reader on you device. If so, does it work satisfactorily for you? I’d love to read saved articles on an e-ink device
It works really well, plus their about to do a performance improvement for Android that should make it even smoother
It's not correct that it only uses battery when the screen changes. Unless you're turning it off, it's still running in the background. It will be quite efficient but it's still using the battery when it's on
You are correct.
Summary: Doesn't have sim card
I wonder if they can use 2 processors one for screen refresh and for one background apps, would it speed up the process. Not like the battery is taking a hit. I’d really love a device like this I wonder if it would eventual help my ADHD, for now I just delete the big 3 for a week but even that has its limitations.
From what i know they use a very responsive e ink screen which called carta 1200 and yes indeed they applied a dedicated GPU which help to cope better the ghosting e ink technology traditionally suffers from beside the the main processor which is the Snapdragon 665 as far as i remember which is decent for this device case uses and all of these help makes the device very fast to work with despite its an e ink device .
@hosammansor6631 is correct!
Was so excited to see this Boox product until I learned no writing capacity. Until then, no.
Perhaps one day. 🤷
I had a yota phone , 2 screens
The *only* thing thats stopping me from buying Boox is the janky way that you sorta can and sorta cant sideload as I dont like using the crappy (spyware) ebook apps
Looking for a E-ink phone with a 5" screen.. theses one are always too big (Hisense, Boox, aso..)
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I kinda want a 5" one with a sim
That would be sweet. Maybe one day 🤔
I guess I understand wanting a SIM card in this, so you can use it asa second phone, but... I'm also guessing most people wouldn't want to rely on a black and white eInk cellphone for very long, and would likely still carry their regular color phone. I can see taking it to the beach or the pool, perhaps, where you have a phone for ermergency;ish pruposes, though.
It seems a good phone. We need to check the multi-tasking.
If they add the capacity of having a SIM, then it could be really interesting phone to buy.
Add a sim card without it I'll pass 😅
People: "pfff, only 120hz refresh??? what year is this??"
Also people: "10hz refresh?? give me two!"
Is Boox Palma against water even if it is completely drowned in water?
I would not submerge this in water. I don't think it would survive.
I do a lot of reading and am seriously considering getting this. I love my iPhone, but using it at the pool or in bright lighting conditions just doesn't work. I am a heavy user of Reader by Readies so this might be the perfect solution for me.
How is the battery life read only or only in standby?
Wish it had a 3.5mm headphone socket, then it could be a full media device without worrying about using up phone battery on long trips.
can i add sim card in it and call pepole?
A little pricey for my taste tbh. A simple kobo does the same for less than half the price
How does Obsidian run on this? That’s actually a big part of my consideration for it. 😅
For consuming it might be alright, but I can't see it being a great way to create new content.
sold out :(
;(
it looks like this company wants to make this device after we buy it. and strict refund policy.
it has a built in mic and speaker, i wonder if you can use voip apps like satellite from sipgate?
As long as it only uses Wifi, I would think so.
I changed some of the iPhone accessibility options to simulate the looking and it’s been a great result
We probably might need 5 more years to see e-ink display to run at 60Hz
the low frame rate scrolling would probably hurt my eyes though :/ but im super interested.
SIM enable this and I’ll swap out my iPhone.
It's called the hisense a9 (boox version with a sim card).
Is it any good?
Hisense phones don’t work on US mobile networks
Does anyone remember yottaphone? I had that for a while and now I want it again.
I want this with a sim
This is a very cool device.
I wish it had a sim reader
Agreed. One day
Do you think you can use Google Voice to make and receive calls via a WIFI connection. I use Google Voice on all my android phones and an Android Tablet which seems to work rather well. Minus a SIM card, it should work fine via WIFI.
I’m not sure if it has a built in microphone, but should work if you have Bluetooth headphones
How do you get readsise reader working on your boox devices? On every boox device I’ve ever owned it crashes while reading when the screen flashes
If this was a colour and had stylus support I'd switch in a hot minute.
One day.
They need to just put a fucking SIM and cellular antennas in it. Why was this not something they did the first time round. I'd have bought it day one if it did.
Also I would prefer it a lil smaller cause I'm also just sick of large phones now too, this would be bigger than my current daily driver (Pixel 3)
My guess is they weren't sure about demand, but I don't know for sure. 🤞
If they could come out with a phone version where google maps functioned well and had both a front and rear facing camera it would be my ideal phone device.
I was wondering if you’ve ever tried to use the alarm on this device as a morning alarm.
I saw commentary about another Boox device saying that it wasn’t loud enough to serve as a morning alarm lol :)
How does Obsidian look? Functional for writing?
No pen input on this and it's probably too small for typing for any length.
Can you watch RUclips on Palma?
You could, but I don’t think you would want to
Great review, especially the part about Readwise Reader. My question is can you highlight and annotate Reader articles - and are these highlights and annotations saved in Readwise?
Yes and yes.
Does it have the ability to speak to text and read text?
Hi, do you still have the Palma and use it? I've been reading of folks having issues with it.
Still using it. It has a few nicks in it after a year, but is still working well.
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Does this have dyslexia font?
Any updates on a e-ink cellphone?
Other than the Light Phone, no.
it is a kindle but smaller.
…and can do more
what are all the cons for readwise beta?
I’ve bought this and hope to use my Apple Watch as my “phone”
Interesting. I think it could work. I would love to hear your thoughts after using it for a bit. Please report back
Excellent video! I'm actually interested in buying this device to use for taking notes in Obsidian. I see you also installed Obsidian on your Boox Palma. What is the note taking experience? And have you used an external bluetooth keyboard with the Boox Palma? I plan on combining the Palma with a Nuphy Air 75, for anywhere writing and note-taking without straining my eyes with an LCD screen.
No writing input on the Palma, but should work fine with an external keyboard like the Nuphy.
@BrandonKBoswell do you think it'd be good for audiobooks? I have a scribe and find it inconvenient
It just needs to run iOS!!🤣
Is chatGPT available?
Looks more portable than kindle .
But To be honest its not recommended to read in such tiny device. Will damage the eyes In long run.
Better to use a kindle.
Super portable. I wasn't familiar with small devices causing eye damage. Do you have more info on this?
Well no pen input why?
That’s a good question for Boox, but honestly this is probably too small to be good for writing anything.
i hope available in the philippines
They can use garmin like transreflective display
That would be perfect for me too! Unfortunately probably not enough demand amongst the general population to make it happen though.