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  • @ClayInvictus
    @ClayInvictus Месяц назад +141

    "The elantrians are the powerhouse of the Sel" is the best thing you have ever said on a shardcast. It is also the absolute worst thing you have ever said on a shardcast.

    • @17thShard
      @17thShard  Месяц назад +29

      I'm very fond of seons being Sel-phones too. -Eric

  • @caradine898
    @caradine898 Месяц назад +48

    Eric: "they were pretending to be aliens"
    Evgeni: "oh really? I was just vibing"
    Evgeni is definitely an alien.

    • @IndiaTides
      @IndiaTides Месяц назад +2

      Evgeni is perfect human being and that is why conclude that he is an alien.

  • @GumbyTheGreen
    @GumbyTheGreen Месяц назад +4

    I was excited for the GopherCon plug, I had a blast at that.

  • @Fieryxjoe
    @Fieryxjoe Месяц назад +12

    I remember the Skaze, the fact they show up in a deleted bonus scene at the very end of the book makes them a lot more memorable than if they were some throwaway mention in the middle of the book.

  • @diepie5144
    @diepie5144 Месяц назад +18

    My take on Sel is that it’s more analogous to Africa, isolations geography, rich in natural resources, technologically behind (because of the isolation). While there are “3 empires”, the Earth is also large enough for 3 empires to exist without really acknowledging the others (Rome and Han China co-existed, and treated each other as barbarians similar to the Fjordel, then just an empire in the Americas and were already there). Sel, relative to Roshar and Scadrial, is politically fractured, and while local magic systems prevent conquest at this point, eventually technological development will allow other powers to occupy land, and all the major players would suddenly be able to conquer vast stretches of land (motivated by the desire to do so before everyone else does, along with the easily accessible investiture).
    Elantris is obviously the exception to this, but it’s a generally isolationist city (with a small kingdom or two attached). I would imagine it would be sort of a commerce wakanda, super advanced technology that few people know about until a shift happens in the culture, and the people become more outward-looking. It would be cool for this to happen because of a charismatic general who (after the ability to perform aon-dor off-world is discovered) convinces the people of elantris to support him in a total-war against everyone else in the cosmere. Imagine an immortal Napoleon, who also has access to the most powerful magic system in the cosmere. Another, idea is for Elantris to be more analogous to Thailand, whose kings played the British and French off each other to maintain independence.

    • @diepie5144
      @diepie5144 Месяц назад +5

      The night brigade could totally be associated with a government on threnody, there is historical precedent for it. Hessians (who you may recall as auxiliaries for the British during the American revolution), were soldiers in the armies of German states who hired them out. Another example is the Wagner group, a mercenary company in service to a number of (mostly authoritarian) governments (largely in African countries in exchange for precious metals), who you may also remember for playing a key role in the war in Ukraine. Though I think it’s more likely that they are a mercenary company powerful enough that Threnodite countries could no longer afford their services.

    • @diepie5144
      @diepie5144 Месяц назад +4

      And talking about the Night Brigade and threnody, consuming investiture is a rather odd ability for a sword with the command “kill evil”, unless the purpose is to destroy highly invested beings. I can totally see Endowment guiding the creation of NIGHTBLOOD (a name whose constituent words are both thematically related to threnody) for this purpose

  • @ryanjohnson9447
    @ryanjohnson9447 Месяц назад +3

    I can’t wait to play some space age cosmere rpg! It’s gonna be crazy!

  • @chitisright1337
    @chitisright1337 Месяц назад +18

    I remember the Skaze!

  • @17thShard
    @17thShard  Месяц назад +16

    I haven't edited the insane preshow we did but I'll edit that this week (my desktop and desk is currently dismantled). It was crazy though. -Eric

  • @GaviLazan
    @GaviLazan Месяц назад +3

    I almost groaned out loud, in public, at Evgeni's mitochondria joke.

  • @JordanSedai
    @JordanSedai Месяц назад +3

    I saw a video theory recently about the Night of Sorrows approaching, and that the use of Surgebinding may in some way advance the approach of it. The ideas is that the sun in Shadesmar approaches the horizon and when it passes below it, the Night will have arrived. The Night is often mentioned with the Everstorm, but it may be mentioned because they happen around the same time, not because they are the same thing. I’m really intrigued by this, and think it could be a very interesting way to push a Cosmere wide conflict that is not necessarily driven by any specific planet.
    I’m not sure exactly what the Night of Sorrows would mean or look like, if it isn’t just Odium’s war, but I can imagine horrors and maybe some kind of corrupted investiture monstrosities. Maybe even something like a corrupted/crazed cognitive shadow of Adonalsium. I could also imagine the Night of Sorrows being about the unleashing of beings like Resurrection Beasts, for people that have read the Locked Tomb series, though I don’t know exactly what they would be if not some kind of corrupted world spren.
    But maybe the impact of it soon starts to be felt and various peoples are ramping up technology and resources in hopes to survive whatever it is that this Night means and brings. The war that Odium wants to wage may or may not be directly related to this Night of Sorrows, but it would ramp up the intensity if it wasn’t and there were multiple layers of conflict going on at once.
    It could tie into the Shashara vision and Nightblood destroying Evil thing. It could also explain why Radiants unanimously did the Recreance, in a compelling way in my opinion.
    It also is an option for what would need to be resolved in the back half of Stormlight. Up until now I’ve really had no idea what the central plot of it would be that might require the characters to move into space age. Even if Stormlight wraps up the Night of Sorrows, there could be other stories to tell that wrap up the Cosmere beyond that, which something like Mistborn era 5 may handle.

  • @007Rincewind
    @007Rincewind Месяц назад +6

    I Think Eric was actually completly right, The metalmind can store the ships speed and works like an engine with a built in control circut. The Ship is initialy coinshoted into space with duralium or similiar. It reaches a high speed, when it is time to slow down next to the target planet the metalmind is filed, and on the return trip it is tapped to get the ship upto speed again.

    • @Bzhydack
      @Bzhydack Месяц назад +2

      Still cant get FTL. You will need also add A- Bendalloy to the mix.

    • @007Rincewind
      @007Rincewind Месяц назад +2

      @@Bzhydack probably yes it is pushed with a Bendalloy durallium bubble, after that the shipp dumps all the weight into a metal mind and have its FTL drive ready. Also this works for non FTL drives aswell, and I think you probably could make a medal that is not awaken that do the same thing, just connect a pedal to the tapping and you have a car/plane engine.

    • @Bzhydack
      @Bzhydack Месяц назад +2

      Yup, probably first drives will be manual.

  • @Muzgrob
    @Muzgrob Месяц назад +10

    "Endowment talks a big game. But we havent seen them do anything." They werent wrong though. They dealt with Rayse.

    • @Creek_Water
      @Creek_Water Месяц назад

      “Endowment talks a BIG game but we haven’t SEEN anything” ooh La La

  • @kvothethearcane146
    @kvothethearcane146 Месяц назад +2

    So excited to watch this episode, I am really looking forward to the sci-fantasy insanity that is going to be space age Cosmere, I love melding science fiction and fantasy so much.

  • @fakjbf3129
    @fakjbf3129 Месяц назад +1

    For the Awakened metalmind I always assumed it was a way of creating a sentient object that was pre-trained. For example with Nightblood it doesn’t understand the nuance of what is evil and it learns very slowly. But if for example you had an unkeyed copper metalmind that was full of memories and ideas and then had a way to awaken that it would have a massive head start in training.

  • @obviousalias132
    @obviousalias132 Месяц назад +2

    The way Kelsier talks about "democratizing" the Metallic Arts I can easily see becoming similar to a system we already see on Nalthis or an even worse type of Investiture farm due to how Feruchemy works.

  • @oneukum
    @oneukum Месяц назад +3

    15:00 Is there an Age of Imperialism through Shadesmar before actual space travel begins and leads to interstellar imperialism? If so, there may be a small Nalthian Empire. In fact, it may already exist in the SA era. Emberdark suggests a rather slow changeover from Shadesmar colonialism to FTL space imperialism.
    18:30 Again, how late is Tress?
    20:00 It suggests that they are using the feruchemical charge as the fuel for awakening, that is they are not putting extra breaths into them.
    23:00 Ehm. Isn't that what Yumi and the Nightmare Painter is?
    ,24:30 Threnody? Skaze? Arguably it has already happened. Albeit not as a story.
    25:00 That really creates the suspicion that the AI is a side effect. It is part of the FTL drive. If you need to awaken it to have an FTL drive anyway, why not use its thinking ability? Respectively you need a very expensive amount of Investiture for FTL anyway, so you can awaken it anyway to save you the cost of even more Investiture to create a separate AI.
    34:00 K & N are looking for talking tools for a reason.
    38:30 Wouldn't they import Scadrian technology during the Wax & Wayne era?
    40:00 I am afraid that purified Dor has to come from Sel. So has the Ire. So have all the Seons. There is Shadesmar travel to and from Sel even during Era 1.
    44:00 Any planet is rather easy to defend in Shadesmar. The attackers have supply lines that stretch for thousands of kilometers. And you have to fortify only one place. Look at what lengths Autonomy had to go to harm Scadrial.
    50:00 Confronting Raoden and Jasnah would be fun.
    55:00 Why are you assuming that they were recruited on Sel, as opposed to, maybe Silverlight?
    57:00 Or they don't build ships. They may be using Dor-gates based on Aon Tia.
    59:30 Why does nobody mention the very suspicious absence of Autonomy?
    1:01:00 A company of nmercenaries doing a coup and taking over a country is all over the history books.
    1:03:00 They still need money, supplies and maintainance. Space ships don't build themselves. They need a tax base and an industrial base.
    1:12:30 Threnodians do not necessarily live on Threnody only.
    1:13:00 Easiest explanation: Secret History predates the arrival of the Evil. There is a magic system on Threnody that Nazriloff refered to when he was speaking of the rites necessaary to become a shade.
    1:19:00 The Sleepless must also have FTL.
    1:20:00 Also why do the worlds of Valour. Invention, Mercy and Whimsy have no role in te Space Age?
    1:22:00 He may have political power precisely because the Dark Aether murdered the rest of the royal house? Like a second cousin who inherited unexpectedly.

    • @zorba-d-geek
      @zorba-d-geek Месяц назад

      Didn’t Naz assume that Kelsier was a Shade at first?
      Maybe Shades are Cognitive Shadows gone wrong or made without the proper ritual?

    • @oneukum
      @oneukum Месяц назад

      @@zorba-d-geek It read to me like Nazriloff at that time was unaware of Shades in general. It seems to me that Secret History is earlier than the discovery of the second continent and the Shades in the Forest of Hell.
      Shades spontaneously arise from at least some dead Threnodites, so how this is possible is a good question.

  • @clementlapierre
    @clementlapierre 28 дней назад

    Sometimes I consider myself a huge BrandoSando fan and pretty knowledgeable in the Cosmere... Then I listen to an episode of Shardcast

  • @oneukum
    @oneukum Месяц назад +3

    Rescuing Dalinar was an incredibly risky thing to do. He rationally should have fled.

  • @egwenealvereiscool7726
    @egwenealvereiscool7726 Месяц назад +1

    10:30 like First of the Sun!
    26:50 they could be feeding investiture directly. Idk if you would need something like purified Dor for that though
    Edit: I remembered the Skaze!

  • @IndiaTides
    @IndiaTides Месяц назад +7

    How many of you reading Wind and Truth chapters?

    • @reutermo
      @reutermo Месяц назад +7

      I will save everything for the final release 😊

  • @evelynbasham1673
    @evelynbasham1673 Месяц назад

    I was so close. Well done you all. 🎉

  • @GoErikTheRed
    @GoErikTheRed Месяц назад

    As soon as clue 3 of the first wtcc was read my mind immediately went to the correct answer. I guess this episode left me very Elantris-minded

  • @carlsmith4568
    @carlsmith4568 Месяц назад +3

    Why no preview chapter coverage for WaT? I really enjoyed Rhythm of Previews :(

    • @17thShard
      @17thShard  Месяц назад +6

      Fel is especially busy, but Paleo is as well. We really wanted to try and make it happen but we couldn't. We are hoping to do about two, maybe three Shardcasts on them to make up for it. Weekly series are a lot to manage! -Eric

    • @TayNez63
      @TayNez63 Месяц назад +1

      @@17thShardthat’s unfortunate, but understandable!

  • @mndrew1
    @mndrew1 Месяц назад +2

    Picture the Threnodian Space Navy firing small torpedoes that are just breaching pods crammed full of wraiths. The neutron bomb's of space combat. Kill the crew without overly damaging the ship.

  • @BenHazel007
    @BenHazel007 Месяц назад +3

    I wonder if a person could "upload their consciousness" by storing ALL of their memories into a coppermind and then awakening that coppermind

    • @mduckernz
      @mduckernz Месяц назад +2

      Seems like they would return as a cognitive shadow, no?

    • @wanderingshade8383
      @wanderingshade8383 Месяц назад +2

      @@mduckernz Except they wouldn't need to die. So you'd make a sorta-cognitive shadow/spren thing of your mind/memories while your body is still kickin.

    • @MisterSketch4
      @MisterSketch4 Месяц назад

      This is great. I would love to see this made into a short story.

  • @krystlspoonz
    @krystlspoonz Месяц назад +1

    Threnody is straight up the US of the Cosmere.

  • @connor_phillipz5689
    @connor_phillipz5689 Месяц назад

    One thing I'm surprised you guys didn't talk about with Sel is the Autonomy connection. How is Jaddeth going to impact things when they return and what will the long term implications be? Maybe Sel isn't aligned with Scadrial or Roshar, but is some form of vassal planet of Taldain. I doubt there would be a total conquering of the planet, but Autonomy being involved adds an entirely new dimension of possibilities for Sel's role in the space age.

  • @OdenGender
    @OdenGender Месяц назад +1

    I like the idea that Nalthis and its metal minds are like modern day Taiwan and their semiconductor industry :>

  • @janvancura8412
    @janvancura8412 Месяц назад

    My theory about awakened metalminds is that they are given commands that require tens if not hundreds of thousands of Breaths. The innovation that made their mass utilization possible is Nicrosil compounding Breath which allows a single Breath to do the work of hundreds if not thousands.

    • @mirjam3553
      @mirjam3553 Месяц назад

      I haven't gotten too far into the video, so they might have thought about it, but: awakened metalminds and different investiture not mixing? How about an emulsifier? I'm thinking the Rosharan research on harmonizing the tones of different Shards can have gotten off-system (since it is published on Roshar and available to any who can read it.) That would still keep the tech expensive, but the Nalthian heightenings can help with the pure tones of Endowment and Hamony (if we still have Harmony at that point).

  • @sandrar4981
    @sandrar4981 Месяц назад

    Sure I remember the Skayzeee. Epilogues are the best remembered parts of a book in my opinion.

  • @connor_phillipz5689
    @connor_phillipz5689 Месяц назад

    I remember the Skaze. I know very little about it, but I do remember it. I wonder if we'll ever see the specific one Hoid was talking to again.

  • @obviousalias132
    @obviousalias132 Месяц назад

    I think its both that the Awakened entity can understand the element and can utilize the Investiture within to perform tasks.
    An Awakened goldmind could direct triage and use the Investiture within to heal patients. An Awakened steelmind could just control the logistics of going into and dropping out of FTL travel.

  • @cooldude5078
    @cooldude5078 Месяц назад

    Im wondering if perhaps the term metal mind may evolve into being a term more for heavily invested metal rather than specifically feruchemically invested metal, so an awakened metal/ steelmind may just be an awakened steel navigation system using breaths

  • @Sheija
    @Sheija Месяц назад

    If the Night Brigade is a mercenary group, then I’m not sure their stated objectives are necessarily inherently huge. Isn’t it more likely that someone hired them to hunt the Dawnshards? They could be a mercenary planet, kind of like the Adem culture in Kingkiller.
    In that case I kind of like the idea of them being in control or a powerful authority on Threnody, cause then the scale of payments for crazy jobs like hunting a Dawnshard makes sense. Maybe the payment could involve fixing/destroying the Evil?

  • @jonvalett6708
    @jonvalett6708 Месяц назад

    I remember the Skaze, but I've read Elantris lately

  • @ethanbrinkman3401
    @ethanbrinkman3401 Месяц назад

    Couldn't you have an awakend Metalmind by awakening copper with the command to remember or recall?

  • @obviousalias132
    @obviousalias132 Месяц назад

    Brandon has said the Night Brigade is based on The Black Company but I've never read that so all I think of is Aragorn leading the Dead Men of Dunharrow out of the ships at the Battle of Pelennor Fields in the movie adaptation.

  • @JediWreith
    @JediWreith Месяц назад

    From the excerpt of the sequel to Sixth of Dusk, Tenth the Finder is the first recorded trapper who 'disappeared' while exploring.
    From Sunlit man, Zellion (Yolish) means "one who FINDS". Refers to the leader who brought people from Threnody to Canticle.
    Is there a world in which these facts are related?

  • @obviousalias132
    @obviousalias132 Месяц назад

    What if it wasn't "purified Dor" but Dor filtered through Scadrial so instead of AonDor its "AlloDor"?

  • @prestonc9059
    @prestonc9059 Месяц назад +1

    I remember the Skaze and I have yet to read Elantris

  • @Saint.Saint.Saint.
    @Saint.Saint.Saint. Месяц назад

    43:00 the DOR is a DOOR!!!

  • @KevinHorecka
    @KevinHorecka Месяц назад

    It'd be interesting if a planet like Sel were forced to learn traditional, physical realm FTL, and the technological progress associated with physical realm focus (instead of magical cheating) gives them a big advantage when they suddenly get access to the wider magic.

  • @enbyglitch
    @enbyglitch Месяц назад +1

    @46:55 I raise you Aluminum-coated nukes Evgeni

    • @Bzhydack
      @Bzhydack Месяц назад

      Dont need nukes when you must have insane speeds in cosmos. Just load aluminium rocks into railguns and yeet them with 0.3 lightspeed.

  • @Tesseract_King
    @Tesseract_King Месяц назад

    Talking about a story with an awakened AI uprising... Not to spoil but a recently released Cosmere book was exactly that.

  • @Buphido
    @Buphido Месяц назад

    Ok but with the awakened steelmind ai we get into philosophy. Does an ai THINK? If so, is it a living being? Or would an ai not benefit more from a steelmind that speeds up its processes?

  • @francislally6066
    @francislally6066 Месяц назад

    As far as awakening a steel metal mind to help AI physically thing faster and overcome resistors: that's very similar to how AI works in the Skyward series, where an AI's computer can take into the nowhere and overcome it's physical limitations.

  • @Haxerous
    @Haxerous Месяц назад

    38:58 I thought the back bone was Storm light, mistborn and dragonsteel. I don't think elantris was meant to be a backbone

  • @tquinnhunsaker4344
    @tquinnhunsaker4344 Месяц назад

    I think awakened metal minds are something like compounding only instead of the feruchemy overwriting allomancy, feruchemy is getting overwritten by awakening

  • @Stormhawk777
    @Stormhawk777 Месяц назад +1

    Yooo I guessed Kal in the second round of that one then forgot about him til Grace said it
    Very tricksy
    Would love a WTCC but reversed in the way Grace almost misspoke - 5 character and a clue - then you guys try and guess the clue
    Jeopardy rules

  • @vispian7688
    @vispian7688 Месяц назад

    I actually think about Skaze a lot more than Awakened Metalmind. I may have dementia as its often the same thought

  • @williamkeaton5091
    @williamkeaton5091 Месяц назад

    See I think 1:23:15 all of the members of the Ghostbloods in The Lost Metal are peoples whose worlds have been lost to Autonomy. I think the Dark Aether will be an Autonomy Avatar and Sel is also ruled in the Space Age by an Avatar of Autonomy through Shu Dereth

    • @connor_phillipz5689
      @connor_phillipz5689 Месяц назад +1

      That's a possibility I've considered with Sel as well ever since Brandon "confirmed" Jaddeth is an Avatar of Autonomy. Whether or not Sel will be completely controlled is yet to be seen, but it makes things much much much more complicated than when it was just a question of allegiance between Roshar and Scadrial. Very excited for the Elantris sequels.

  • @michaelmcgee8189
    @michaelmcgee8189 Месяц назад

    hell yeah

  • @edwardguest1404
    @edwardguest1404 Месяц назад

    Nalthis will be Switzerland of the Cosmere lol

  • @LrnecBuma
    @LrnecBuma Месяц назад

    The Medbay is a Gold awakend metalmind? Like Star trek Voyagers hologram doctor? Brandon as a trekkie would do that at some point right? And because scadrians value boxings or some other currency and Rosharans value stormlight no one values the gold as currency

  • @The-Sibling
    @The-Sibling Месяц назад

    "Well we've all tried to kill our children" - Evgeni, 2024

  • @joshuachandler1750
    @joshuachandler1750 Месяц назад

    I remember the Skaze

  • @gustavolamego9913
    @gustavolamego9913 Месяц назад +1

    So basically scadrial will be the elon musk of the cosmere

  • @carl11547
    @carl11547 Месяц назад

    I gather none of you remember The Aether of Night, in which a dark force that pretends to be an aether is the villain, threatening the survival of humanity on that world? You don't think that might apply?

  • @hubrisnxs2013
    @hubrisnxs2013 Месяц назад

    Yayyyyy I've beens really downloaded today. Thanks for this

  • @volts6286
    @volts6286 Месяц назад

    Aventurine as a who’s that Cosmere character lmao

  • @Dialethian
    @Dialethian Месяц назад

    Those WTCCs, lol.

  • @blakemcgill880
    @blakemcgill880 Месяц назад

    Nalthis is TSMC in Taiwan, haha

  • @obviousalias132
    @obviousalias132 Месяц назад

    Aethernalsium