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EV is one thing but corrupt politicians are the issue that needs to be resolved. All that wasted money.
Our money!
All of the Billderberg run Nations are being destroyed deliberately.
Then run for office yourself.
Are these the same corrupt politicians who support the fossil fuel industry to the tune of $7 trillion globally in 2022? Some of them may be in your country.
They use slave labor to dig the cobalt out of the ground in extreme weather without shoes. Kids. EV no thank you. Like the vaccine that is made with a 1978 male fetus. All the vaccine contain human dna and you expect me to take it and believe in God. All these people say they believe in God but took the mark of the beast. Covid=certificate of vaccination I.d.
The joke is, you can't even say it is renewable clean energy, when the majority of power stations need fossil fuel, to make the electricity needed to charge EV's.
Neither are the exotic battery ingredients renewable.
not just that but those EVs have little to no sontribution to net zero since its still the diesel vehicles and equipments that will remove snow on rosds, repair/build the roads, build or maintain power stations and the immense grid.....
@@steve1000 Yes, they ARE renewable! The metals composing a battery can be indefinitely recycled with 98%+ efficiency!
In my city (Geneva, Switzerland), the public transportation system is now mostly electric (100% by 2030 is the objective of the company), and the power they use is hydro power, produced by a dam located in the very centre of the city. ZERO emission is therefore definitely achievable!
@@carholic-sz3qv They have EV cement trucks now, the first example has already gone up in smoke lol
In the UK many years ago we had 'trolleybuses' electric buses powered by overhead catenary. These were perfect, quiet, always travelled on the same route, didn't require batteries and never caught on fire.
I remember them in Bournemouth 😊
Problem is the infrastructure was very ugly and they jammed up traffic. We had them here in Oz and I can remember the mess. In the 50s
@@ldnwholesale8552 Modern trolleybuses have small battery packs that charge from the wires and allow the buses to run extensive distances without wire, so not so much overhead wire is needed.
The trolly/tram industry died because the Tram companies had to pay for the tracks, where as the government pays for the roads.
I suspect they would have been lead acid batteries , we had an ev forklift some decades ago , it also had lead acid batteries .@@tonyhworks
A first-year electrical engineer can figure out that this is absolute insanity.
I'm as dim as they come, I have no qualifications, no relevant experience, and even I figured it out! ☺️
Education is the enemy of ideology.
Climate Cultism is very, very, expensive and futile.
And we're the ones paying for it .. not the bloody uni student/activists. They've still got their uni fees to pay back!
The Fossil cult is much, much, more expensive in the long run (and futile because it is a finite resource which will run out one day - and THEN we will have to find an alternative anyway - so we might as well start now & avoid all the effects of all that pollution).
It's now clear this whole EV thing has backfired especially because of lithium style batteries being so volatile. Until they find an alternative battery technology this thing will get worse before it gets better. If i were Musk I'd be selling Tesla now. 🤔😉
When EVs stop selling then we will see what has backfired, so far nothing has backfired
Yeah, the fascists are having a whole conference of lies this very week
The trouble is that all our governments are driven by ideologues, who have almost certainly never achieved anything practical with their own hands. They think they can make things work simply because they really want them to. Practical skills teach you a humility which ideology cannot.
Nicely stated!
In NorCal, these overpaid numbskull political decision makers brag that 27% of our grid power is ''renewable''. It says so on paper...so many megawatts of power. In the real world, the input to the grid from solar and wind is but a fraction of the ''installed'' figure since the only time this figure is approached is during a windy June, July, and August when the days are longest, the sun angle is highest, and the windy season is here. Solar and wind power production is severely curbed from November through February. When you have 1000 megawatts of installed fossil fuel steam turbine and gas turbine power stations, that means that 1000 Megawatt output is available day and night 24/7 no matter what the weather may be despite idealogues.
Bingo! What can we do but Ban Leftists in governments around the world?
Very well said
Just another form of control and the biggest con perpetrated on mankind. Time to WAKE UP EVERYBODY!
I watched an interview with one of the Edmonton Bus maintenance managers. The 6 EV busses were purchased for 6 million and were all delivered missing parts and parts installed incorrectly. They tried to go after the company to fix them but city hall slowed it down until the company "went under" and the owners ran off with the money. Nothing but a scam.
There are bad actors / companies in every industry. Chinese buses would not have had those issues, those Edmonton temperatures would still not have been a good fit. Unfortunately govt incentives are forcing municipalities to partner with inexperience NAM manufacturers.
This reminds me of a story from a city in Germany, where they tried to convert their bus fleet to electric buses, and they all caught on fire, now they have gone back to diesel buses.
Could you imagine an electric bus fire, it would be horrific.
You don't have to imagine, it's happening in China: ruclips.net/video/zS6dwGFv5HI/видео.htmlsi=df5-JKKPiHgTrazT
Are you going to add the context to the story? Assuming you are referencing the incident in Düsseldorf in 2021 - a fire started in the deisel part of the depot and burnt the entire fleet of 40 vehicles down. Including all their deisel and EV busses. Given the fire was started in the Diesel forecourt, if anything, this weakens your argument.
Germany here. Where was that. Nobody went back to diesel.
The elektrik mercedes bus is better in every way to its diesel brother. Especially aircon and noise pollution.
Evs will be the biggest failure in the motoring industry in living memory
...I mean there's leaded gasoline. Which destroyed several generation's mental faculties and likely caused a worldwide rise in violent crime during the middle of the 20th century
the first cars ever made were electric, and so will the last ones be. petrol was just a phase and its going away regardless if you like it or not.
Blood Batteries. The Dark Side Of Electric Cars. WION report. m.ruclips.net/video/RFHvq-8np1o/видео.html
So if they get bumped they burst into torrential flames so fast the passengers usually can’t get out live the 2 ill-fated late car reviewers from a auto magazine, they burst into flames just sitting & will also burst into flames if they get water logged…but it’s not about the environment or air pollution or anything else it’s about removing your ability to escape from the smart city the UN agenda claims all people must live in under their 2030 agenda. California is modeling what will be done to everyone else with the “must buy a EV, now not allowed to charge EV. ” It’s about removing the freedom to leave a bad situation & remain trapped in their mega city. I’m reminded of Judge Dredd & Escape from New York.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld😂
Yep, biggest scam in history..
Hate the advert ‘zero emissions’. It’s not, it’s just that the emissions are dumped somewhere else.
Yes, preferably not in the city where I live and breathe the fumes
@@lkrnpk So as long as you're ok.
Net Suicide it’s Called!.
Fume’s What Fumes, I thought it was all about the ‘melting’ ice caps and the Oceans flooding the world by 2019, claimed years ago by the net suicidal looneys, fume’s indeed!.
they are still less emissions and also not right next to you where you breathe them in. ever got stuck behind an old truck or bus that is rolling coal? not cool and takes a lot more life out of you than a power plant dozens of hundreds of miles away.
There's this thing called a "trolley bus", been used in cities for over a century now. Works perfectly.
The trolleys were amazing, I wish I could go back in time to ride one , on London they even built gyro powered buses , very innovative technology, not perfect, but it's cool .
A negative of trolley buses is all the wire salad defacing the streets.
@@jackmorganfiftyfive Less obtrusive than street parking.
@@jackmorganfiftyfive The streets are defaced by humans and ugly anyway. Why charge batteries on buses and limit their range? Just power them directly from the grid and save all the battery pollution, at least, even though the power isn't green and never will be.
Powered by what? Don’t say electricity, that had to be generated by what?
What’s really maddening about this is that you don’t have to be an “expert” to understand this, you really even need to be all that intelligent either. Anyone with average intelligence and the ability to have independent thought would reach this conclusion all on their own, and yet it totally escapes many politicians. I think a lot of people get into politics because it’s the only place they can be successful.
Don't forget the kickbacks lining their pockets!
@@goldfieldgary Yes... money. People go into politics for the easy money. A couple of years putting up with all the sh*t and then they retire comfortably.
Yes, it is maddening. The experts are the users and in Norway everybody is laughing at this post. Made up bs feed to the gullible. Anyone with average intelligence and the ability to have independent thought would reach this conclusion all on their own. Ha, ha, ha. Our E-busses are running fine.
What I find hilarious, today here in Geelong we had bad wind, power outages all over the place. Now what I find funny is what happens to all the EVS if there's no power, nothing can run that's what.And all it took was wind. What happens when bush fires come and people are told to evacuate, but they can't because as we all know power lines and polls get burnt. How can people escape with no power. Or how do buses get people to work and school when power goes out during windy days. This EV scam is ridiculous.
What I find hilarious, is that you think petrol can be pumped without electricity.
To walkerto: when I was young petrol was pumped up from underground tanks at service stations by way of a hand pump into a clear glass tank that was calibrated in gallons and then gravity flowed it into the cars fuel tanks.
I’m sure you can find this on RUclips if you cared to look!
I also read in the Geelong Addy (pondering EV Switch) where Evie released a report saying that 50% of Australian drivers are considering driving an EV in the future. Evie are the group installing chargers. 70 Kw and 184 Kw. They need a reality check!
What is even more hilarious is that they don't have wind turbines.
@@patcummins6036 oh so you want us to go backwards to hand pumping fuel? Maybe they should just walk and use bicycles too?
It’s great when you have the top people pushing the ev narrative,yet they are run around in range rovers never evs 😂👍🇬🇧
You know there's hybrid and all electric Range Rovers - yeah?
Albo on the campaign trail used an EV bus....it ran out of charge haha
Unless you're just tooling around town to the grocery and back, an EV is useless.
There is a century of oil profits behind the anti EV propaganda. Whatever the merits or otherwise, which side of the argument has the deepest pockets? Steven Simpson, “every person who supports EVs, drives a Range Rover”, do you realise how silly that sounds?
Zero emissions?🐴 💩! Coal is burned to generate electricity, so "how dare you"! Bone heads!
I live in Ontario, Canada. On my last natural gas bill, I paid $1.12 Carbon tax on $2.05 of clean natural gas. Then I paid another 13% HST tax on the carbon tax. A total of about 61% tax on home heating fuel.
Ill bet there isn't one F'ing politician that knows, or understands, that in the last 200 years, atmospheric carbon has increased a whopping 0.01 %.
Net Zsero? Every human exhales about 800 lbs of CO2 annually...
so what does that have to do with incompitent people at the public transportation office?
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld: It was mentioned that Edmonton could use clean natural gas in it's buses. The cost of natural gas is up about 61% due to the federal government, which would increase the operating costs of buses powered by natural gas.
And the war on fossil fuels is all because the politicians don't know that atmospheric CO2 has increased a whopping 0.01% in 200 years.
You shouldn't have stated that fact about the 800lbs of CO2 annually - the weasels in govt will use that to justify an "exhaling tax". And don''t even mention methane - or we'll be paying a farting tax!
@@thetoymanator7723 : it is part of the WEF plan to dispose of a few billion "useless eaters". They've already started. turdeau is also pushing to reduce fertilizer use, to limit food production.
Stunning revelation that in one day, any erupting volcano neutralizes all human initiated carbon reduction efforts in history. Even mammal farts contain more carbon than we can mitigate. Still a worthwhile effort- during covid we observed measurable and visible environmental improvement because of industrial restraint.
A 72 mile range for these buses. Impressive! A few trips around the bus route and you're outta gas.
its an electric bus, its out of gas all the time.
The airport at Las Vegas had a few (3 to 6?) electric buses pushed on it out of recent climate spending. They will sit in a shed for at least two years - if not forever. They are 40% heavier than diesel buses, so the City won't allow them on the roads. The airport has no charging infrastructure and drivers would need retraining.
The deal included charging stations.
First introduced on November 11th 2023 for route within the airport.
The battery-powered buses will transport customers between the terminal buildings and the Airport Rent-A-Car Center.
What has the city got to do do with that?
London has 1,150 electric buses and don't seem to have a problem with them. Shenzhen in China has the most with 16,000 and are enjoying huge savings in diesel and maintenance which on any EV is much lower than anything with an engine. Diesel buses and trucks are a huge cause of air pollution and health problems in our cities and replacing them with zero emission buses and trucks is a step towards fixing that.
@@martinsmallwood9605 So, very limited use and impacting on the airport's roads with their weight.
Electric buses do not need to carry along large batteries in urban (bus line) use. The TOSA technology buses pioneered in my city (Geneva, Switzerland) have a (relatively) small battery, good only to take them a few clicks. However, they automatically hook-up to a charger at EVERY stop, for the tens of seconds duration of these stops, and for a few minutes at each end of the line. That is enough to keep them going all day, while weighing the same (actually a bit less) than a diesel bus would! These units also cost MUCH less in "fuel" and much less to maintain than diesel units! To boot, the power they used is 100% renewable, as it is produced by a hydro-electric plant located right in the center of the city, and which is partly owned by the public transport company.
Watch this video presenting the system: ruclips.net/video/tWT3CwfHiBk/видео.html. ... There are more detailed ones in French, but I chose this one as it is in English!
BTW, after a successful pilot with 12 buses on a single line (as presented in that 3-year old video), Geneva's public transport company (TPG) has ordered 119 additional units, starting delivery in 2025, to replace the near totality of their remaining diesel buses.
So, the problem is not with the electric technology, but rather with the efficiency and professionalism... or lack thereof... with which a public transportation system is run!
Mate , the world has turned crazy , common sense seems to have gone out the window sadly .
Don't forget the fires that have occurred with other electric buses across the globe. One went up in Paris and a row of London electric double deck buses went up in smoke a few years ago whilst on charge.
Are you meaning the row of double deckers that were subject to an ARSON attack that would have burned equally well if the busses had been diesel ones ? Oh wait, those were diesel busses.
@@stuinNorway no the were all electric as they were plugged in at charging points.
One, one, one in each country, meanwhile there have been at least dozens of petrol car fires. Check the stats the EV fires are far less frequent, and in time this tech will improve. Time waits for no man you can't stop progress, or perhaps you would rather buy a horse lol...
NO ev cars would exist without petroleum.
Ford GM Toyota Honda now Mazda have shelved their E V production plans.
If the greenies hate oil so much they should stop using it. Starting with their computer/keyboards.
@@clintthomas1854 Let's not mention all the diesel powered bendy busses that caught fire in London, giving them the nickname "The Chariots of Fire"
Our local bus route in SW Wales has been replaced with electric buses. Its a 70 mile route over hilly terrain with 3 buses on the route in each direction at any time, so previously with diesel the route could be covered with 3 buses without refuelling. Now the electric buses can safely do 1 return journeys per charge before the spare buses take over and the first ones recharge, for this reason they had to buy 8 buses to replace 6 so they have 2 on charge at any time, the range is around 200 miles per 1.5 hour charge and the charge is only obtainable at one end of the route. Even with this provision within 8 months I have seen diesel buses on the route, obviously covering for charging issues or breakdowns.
And I wonder what the electric busses cost to buy!
@@raytrevor1 list price for the Yutong E12 bus they are using is £250,000 each.....
Nottingham, here in England, installed some electric bus chargers in a park and ride carpark. There was one problem - it is prone to flooding.
They call them renewables because you need to replace the whole thing regularly...
Has anyone worked out the destruction made by these heavy buses on the roads
what are you talking about? Are they heavier than a B Double? i don't think so.
@@justinsmith4562 buses have 4 wheels at the back and 2 at the front large trucks have a lot more wheels to distribute the weight evenly to the road and that’s something that a bus can’t do
@@theodociocozanitis5437👍
@@theodociocozanitis5437 so it's about the number of wheels - not the power train?
Diesel buses are bigger
I grew up in Wolverhampton in the 1960s, where there were several fleets of electric buses. They were wonderful vehicles, and rarely had problems.
They were trolley buses, built locally by a division of Guy Motors. The system (which required overhead wires) was dismantled in 1965.
We still have those here in Vancouver, Canada and they work great.
What are they powered by? Don’t say electricity, because that had to be generated.
If the busses are always going to be servicing the same route, why not use a trolleybus system?
The world is absolutely mad!
We are the world.
They can afford to be when it's our money that's funding their madness.
The world isn't mad, it's just the unelected individuals that run it by telling elected individuals what to think and do.
Thanks for showing how mad our Canadian government is to force this nonsense on us. I live in Calgary (300km south of Edmonton) and this is just crazy. They are trying to do exactly the same thing in Calgary.
Well , let them read what happened in Holland !
Have a look at Edisson Automotive, a log truck driver has built a heavy haul electric truck that is essentially diesel/electric but with an intermediate battery, regenerative braking and an impressive payload. Although still in prototype stage it is an exciting development and is from a trucker in Vancouver. The point being that a smaller diesel engine can be tuned to run at constant RPM reducing fuel consumption but still make enough power for the drive motors via the generator. I think it important for Canadians to get behind this young man and his team as they are truly innovating road vehicles without compromising range or safety.
@@seanworkman431 That is how the giant dump trucks work in the mine. The ecofreaks won't have any part of it though.
@@totallyjonesin some but most are hydraulic propulsion, either way making the diesel stationary, constant speed, means better fuel economy thus less emissions.
@@seanworkman431Hydraulic propulsion, that's not the prime mover it's just the drive system. You might as well say diesel trucks are "driveshaft propulsion".
It is incredible to think that we had the solution 60 years ago in UK. Trolley buses and trams were the mode of city transport. The idiots in charge of decision-making have not been taught any history, and will not look back on what happened in the past.
The most inefficient form of spending is when someone spends money that isn't theirs on things they don't use or need, that is government spending.
How do the net zero peeps think all that electricity is produced??? Coal, natural gas….
That's what I always say!
This will change except in declining countries.
Wind & solar + batteries - with a bit of anaerobic digester tech thrown in (biogas) for 'emergencies'.
Natural gas is rather clean
@@walkertongdee, really, they just cancelled 5 wind projects in the Northeast of the U.S.
And the narrowminded people!!! I'm 83yo, my narrow minded neighbour 76yo with severe mobility problems struggles to walk to our local shopping centre and back. He uses two support canes like skiing sticks to help him do this. He has an elderly Rav 4. When i suggested he should use his car because he complained to me how difficult it was for him. He said, 'its because of the pollution, Bob'. What is happening to the minds of our people that they are so influenced by what the media is telling them???
I had an elderly man (would've been close to 80 years) a couple of weeks ago come and have a go at me because I'd just got in the truck on a 30 degree day and had it running to get the air conditioner going. He wanted me to turn it off because I was polluting the environment. I told him 'you get in this oven of a truck without the air con and see how long you last'. He just shook his head, called me a d!ckhead and walked off. I was left dumbfounded.
@@stavio12 Thats the other thing very noticeable nowadays. Total strangers passing unwanted comments regarding things that have absolutely nothing to do with them.
@@daddybob6096 I cop it during work hours all the time
That is terrible. I get abused for driving my EV which I can charge for free at my shopping center. I was struck by a man who said I was freeloading on the system and I had to go to hospital. The attitude of some people against EV drivers is revolting.
@@novaharald9108 I feel for you, that is terrible. Hope you're ok now.
The city of Duluth, Minnesota, bought EV busses. It gets very cold and it's very hilly. In the winter, when the heat is needed, the range is cut to less than half. So the fix was to install a heating system that runs on lpg.
They should install LPG range extending generators on the buses. Then use the engine and exhaust heat to heat the bus and battery. But we are looking at a MN government project.
In Norway, our E-busses run on IHF (insulated batteries heated by road friction). Range is down 10%.
Stuart Fillingham, whom I follow on RUclips, told how he and his wife took the park-and-ride into York on a winter day. When they arrived ,Stuart thanked the driver and then asked why the bus was so cold, to be told that using the heater would mean the bus only doing half a shift, and this is in the UK, not Canada
On my business trips I occasionally use the same airport hotel. Their shuttle bus was an electric Volvo. I spoke with the driver and he said they could not operate it all day because of range problems (quick calculation, probably a range of
Iveco is Italian.
@@doyourownresearch7297 why not? It is custom in Australia to greet the driver when boarding and to thank them when alighting. I'll talk to anyone providing a service if I'm not impeding their duties, called common courtesy.
@@doyourownresearch7297 Not only, call it reverse social distancing. The deep state hates it.
@@seanworkman431 I totally agree. Lets make the world a friendlier place.
@@hugobloemers4425 thanks mate, I don't know what you do but I am sure you do it well.
Imagine the electric load of 100 busses trying to charge overnight at a depot?! Not to mention while under maintenance and cleaning?!
Imagine one amongst the group catches alight?!
There was such a incident in London about 2 years ago now. A row of EV buses went up in smoke whilst charging at the depot. Luckily they were all outside and not inside.
I recall a similar incident also happened in China.
No need to imagine: ruclips.net/video/T71cVhxG_v4/видео.html
It has already happened to other bus fleets with catastrophic consequences. Edit. The one I'm thinking of was an eastern European country.
Blackpool Transport are building an electric bus depot so let's see how that goes...
Interesting note; recently scientists have quietly let out the discovery that what was thought to be “fossil fuel” is actually a mineral. An abundant one, easily obtained without child or slave labor.
Also, in addition to the comparatively short range of the buses, what happens when you add a full load of people, turn on the heat for them, and go up a bunch of hills? In the snow?
Get out and push??
As a former bus driver I observed that snow ploughs demonstrate a reliable affection for buses.
The problem is people who've never done any real labor are trying to make decisions cause they "know" better... The contracts are out there so the car companies are scrambling to cobble together anything just to score the contracts.
Follow the money and you will not find an environmentalist at the end of your search.
Yes - ICE manufacturers don't WANT EVs so they "cobble together" a sub-standard vehicle they can point to and say: "look it doesn't work as well as ICE".
But they have a degree in ignorance so they WAY smarter than us
@@ejbh3160you aren't a CONSPIRACY THEORIST, are you?!
Bingo
There are vehicle scrap yards in the UK that have used electric buses shoved to the back. The buses look almost new. It's said that repairs are needed done and the lack of qualified staff to repair them, the cost and availability of parts etc made them uneconomical to keep on the roads.
They languish tucked away at the back of those yards because yard staff are unsure/uneasy about disassembling them due to the risks involved and what to do with the battery once it's out.
There are also famous photographs showing British electric bus fleets being charged at depots using a diesel generator stood next to them.
Even if you charge an EV from a diesel generator it is still better than each vehicle having its own big diesel engine. That is because electric motors are MUCH MUCH more efficient than ICE engines.
@@ejbh3160 117km range is efficient? The person quoted in the video was clear about the fact that they are useless.
@@ejbh3160 absolutely delusional put down the crack pipe
@@ejbh3160 That's totally illogical. Try and think it through
@@OM617a They are useless because of poor design and poor manufacture, not because electric buses are not a good idea. The technology is still too new and inconsistent to be buying from the lowest bidder.
one thing to add..In Edmonton, the roads are terrible and the increased weight of these busses are only going to make it worse...kind of ironic when Alberta is sitting on one of the largest oil/gas deposits in the world (top 3 or 4 I believe)..not to mention -30 C (or sometimes even colder) winters...
The regenerative braking by E-busses reduces the wear on roads compared to normal busses so I do not think there is much difference overall.
Here in Houston TX USA we typically have 40C summer days. The air conditioning in the electric busses is woefully inadequate! It's like sitting in an oven! Forget it!
They tried this on northern Sweden. NO heat or Light. Imagine that. Thermo clothes on.
Subscribers going up by the day keep posting these common sense videos and shining a light on this EV madness.
There's no accounting for stupid - look around at how stupid the 'average' person is - and then realise that 50% of them are MORE stupid than that! (George Carlin RIP)
These videos do not address common sense. Common sense is to reduce the world population from 8 billion to less than 100 million. This will not happen in universal suffrage democracies where women dominate voting, old ladies want to survive and not be first on the list.
Eventually he will also be forces ti buy EV and then “common sense” will end
@@lkrnpk Your right, 8 billion people x ICE cars = dead planet. Either we must switch to EV, or civilization will collapse by 2050.
@@lkrnpkwrong
When I grew up in Manchester in the 1950s we had electric buses called Trolley buses as public transport. These were connected to overhead wires and worked briliantly . Occasionaly the connector would become detached but the guard would just jump off with a pole and reattach it , no problem.No batteries to charge etc.
I dont know why they were discontinued.
Fossil fuel companies got rid of them. The same shitbags that are talking EVs down now.
Because they want to get rid of overhead wires too. It's a bad 1950's look, they want everything to look like something out of a fairytale book.
Those trolley buses were amazing. , plush and luxurious, I'm guessing they worked a little too well for their time .
They disappeared for a simple reason. The transit companies made a lot of money scrapping those copper overhead wires. Everybody thought public transit was on its way out anyway, so why plan for the future when they could pocket a bit of cash at the time?
As above trolley buses were limited where they could go, could not detour around roadworks etc like diesel bus. Infrastructure was FUGLY. And the jammed up roads. Though in Britain that is what cause every traffic drama, bloody buses!
Thank you for your efforts. This must stop. And *will* stop. It is in our hands.
Vancouver BC has some electric busses too , not sure how they are holding up , but the climate here is warmer . I did see Vancouver got a electric fire truck last week , can't wait to see how it works out .
That WILL be something to watch out for....
Fire truck is actually a hybrid
Fire truck will be able to put itself out...seriously tho big heavy battery restricts water load making appliance less effective...oh well save the whales.
I wonder if it will be able to put itself out?
@@barryj388 That's why the call it a fire truck...
My municipal government has a huge fleet of new electric cars for city staff, I don’t think they’ve gone electric yet with the heavier vehicles. They had to make a new parking lot, with rows of charging stations, and since all the cars are new and identical, it looks like a car dealer when you drive by. It’s all being done with the best of intentions, and my tax dollars.
It's done with the best of Political intentions.
Where's this please?
They would have to replace the vehicles anyway - so in the long run it will SAVE your tax dollars.
@@ejbh3160 Try to tell that to the rental car companies.
I think you will find the primary intention is not "good" but corrupt pocket lining. Follow the money.
I worked for the corporate company out of Arizona (TPI) that made bus bodies for Proterra in 2018-2019. They constantly told us to work faster and make do with what came out of the mold. Much of the structural integrity wasn't fit for constant abuse of city streets. We knew it was downhill for the company when they were caught with many drivetrain issues. They made too many promises they couldn't keep. Their upper management knew nothing about the technology other than a big payday.
Whoever signed the contract for these buses should be in jail.
Our narrow-minded governments have already worked that out, it's all about the money.
the money is held by massive oil corporates
contract kickbacks.
A town in the UK has been charging their buses with large diesel generators.😂😂😂😂
Can you document that a bit better, such as WHICH town ? Where your source is ? Or is this just some urban myth you are spreading as fact ?
Evidence please! Which town and when. (the Sun newpaper does not count as evidence of anything other than breast size).
Harrogate Bus Company.
@@locodriver601 I notice that the story, on the BBC website, is dated November 2018, since which time the supply problem has been rectified. The problem was not with the buses themselves, but with the failed electricity supply system of the UK .
Perhaps you could update with the current situation?
This made me laugh because yes I do have a EV , it's got two wheels and a saddle and can do 120Km on full charge, plus a bit of peddling from me. So I can go further than a bus :)
ive seen some very great solutions like in Norway for example where they have articulated long bus hybrid powered by biodiesel made from city waste recycling. its in Trondheim Norway
We as voters must do better on electing politicians who have critical thinking skills
Not much choice in our first past the post system in UK. Too many people think a vote for a small party is a vote wasted, so they vote for the least bad of the major parties. Then we always get bad.
Here in Australia either political party is a bad choice! It strikes me that we don’t have a functioning democracy electing either “Tweedledee or Tweedldumb!” They are controlled by the media in any case and the media were never elected.
Those with critical thinking skills opt out of politics altogether and work in the private sector.
will trade you for Trudeau anytime!!! @@diggerrob6356
In Finland was electric van experiment in post office mail delivery. It failed. Even when range and payloads was ideal for use battery powered vehicles.
Where I live in central Virginia, there are buses that say “clean hybrid vehicle” on the side while simultaneously belching out diesel particulates 😂
Buddy of mine worked for a contractor involved with EV bus trials for the city of Toronto of I think 30 busses. They didn't have the infrastructure to charge the busses so the charging stations were powered by a 40' intermodal container Caterpillar diesel genset
Just think about what is going to happen when “traffic accidents” between EVs start to become common. They will. I drove by one wreck last year that had thousands of cells littered across the road.
Because an ICE crash never leaves a mess? Batteries can be picked up - try picking up diesel.
Try picking up EV batteries that are burning like a blowtorch.
@@ejbh3160At least its difficult to set alight.
This part of Norway has around 30% of cars are pure EV, and there are pleny EV on EV collisions. They are generally easier to clean up as there are no spills of fuel, oil, etc etc etc.
They also, contrary to what the online haters claim, don't all catch fire.
I see plenty of accident damaged EVs being moved around on trailers between the body shops and paint shops getting repaired, and NO, they are not simply written off and scrapped. Even fairly extensive damage can be repaired, such as on my works van when some clown used too much dynamite when plasting a hole in solid rock. ruclips.net/video/kYpTj7hjDmc/видео.html
Actually 2 buses got burned in india recently and in both these occasions there were no passengers. God's grace. mysteriously no media coverage happened
Two of a million buses caught fire and u call them risky?
Do the media cover every ICE bus fire?
@@ejbh3160yes it will be in every news channel usually far as I can remember
No matter what you say I'm sitting in front of fast moving traffic tomorrow holding an idiotic sign...
What's even more crazy is that as a Canadian I didn't know ANYTHING about this and only got to know of it by straight-up chance. Due to our goverments yet-again short sighted legislation.
A friend of many years is a London bus driver who at times drives an EV bus instead of a diesel one which 2/3 the way though his shift has to be return back to the garage to be recharged.
He finds the drive in stop/start traffic is terrible in comparison to a diesel one.
A friend of mine drives an EV London bus and LOVES it. They know the 'range' and plan routes accordingly. He says it is MUCH better than the old "bone shaker diesels" (as he puts it)... and friends in London say the reduction in diesel fumes has improved air quality massively. I guess it all depends who you talk to.
@@ejbh3160 also depends on how much of a hypochondriac you are and the BS on air pollution.
I've lived and worked in central London all my life likewise my family and none of us have respiratory problems.
I worked as a motorcycle courier for 5 years in the 90s covering 30k a year, before and to this day I'm an elevator engineer always in central London.
Charging not a problem in Chinese cities where all buses are battery.. What's wrong with London bus system if they can not organise charging system. Suggest they send someone to China for training.
@@caterthun4853In China, they don't hold back on the coal fired power generation. Wake up to reality.
@@caterthun4853 Once you've sent a bod to China do you expect them to bring back their cheaper manufacturing industry and the likewise labour force ?
Craziness has NO LIMITS in today's world...😮😢
As a retired power plant operator, we did some of our maintenance at night when the grid load dips after people go to sleep and businesses are closed for the night. We could lower our output at night and take some equipment out of service to do the work. Now, they will have to run 100% 24 hours a day so that charging can happen at night.
In Wyoming, they are going to drill for natural gas in the next county over and burn it in a power plant to recharge those electric buses, converting the energy twice instead of once. Each time they do that, it becomes less efficient.
It seems to me that if 'actions had consequences' this BS would be over very quickly.
Chris Bowen thinks electric buses r a great idea and he even convinced "handsome boy" that they are...we're doomed.
Handsome boy thinks he is an Electric Bus! Brruummmm brummmm goes handsome boy as he runs down the sacred halls of Parliament house shouting Shheeper Ewectwisity! Hop on bwoard Austwalia and I'll take you for a wide! .. Beep beep!
@@GazGuitarz haha well done...actually I feel much better when handsome boy is overseas smiling and apologising to other leaders.
lol
Yep! He is the sorriest person on the planet!!!
EVs don't work in real cold weather, hmmmm thought that was common knowledge, I have the internet's, do they ???
Double-decker buses in dirty-old London used to be pulled by horses, which ran on oats and hay. Then electricity arrived and the buses were powered by overhead wires. After that, diesel engines took over, but there was still a widespread network of electric trams, which was essentially those same old horse-drawn buses converted to run on rails.
Trams are a good idea in towns once the tracks are in place. Self-steering and fed by pantograph power they can make endless journeys, repeated daily for decades if not centuries. Great. Lots of cities around the world still run them; they're clean, quiet, and will keep going until you tell them to stop.
But battery-powered buses are a stupid idea.
Big Ned🐴, a retired Cockney carthorse, said, "Stroll on! Investing millions (of somebody else's dosh) in a fleet of all-electric battery-powered buses? You're havin' a giraffe!"
Well said, sir. A giraffe in this instance being rhyming slang for 'a laugh'.
Here - have a carrot. 🥕👀
You had me when you mentioned diesel heaters, for the batteries. Not to keep passengers warm. Presumably, internal heating is from the main batteries, reducing range further.
I've seen a few natural gas cars in the UK, dating back at least 20 years, but it seems to have never caught on. I'm thinking maybe quietly suppressed by government due to the difficulty in taxing the fuel. In the UK, a large proportion of homes are fed with natural gas. A small compressor fed from this will refuel a natural gas car in less than an hour. Home gas is taxed at a reduced rate of VAT, so using some to power the car will escape the high taxation of other road fuels. Difficult for any government to measure the amount used for the car. Seems perfect to me.
In Australia just about every taxi was natural gas powered for years . That was when Australia built it's own cars and they were perfect for the conditions .
Most of the gas powered Ford falcons were hitting 1 million kms before being replaced . Now we have a lot of hybrid Toyotas as taxis , i highly doubt any of them will see mor than a few hundred thousand kms .
I believe one of Scotlands biggest and oldest bus company had electric buses they could not complete a full shift because of the hills in the city, batteries were replaced at huge cost more than once. They have been converted to diesel .
Can't wait for the first electric airliners to replace our current Boeing and Airbus fleets.
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Hmmm be sure you have a parachute upon Boarding 😅😅😅
How cold is it at 35,000 ft?
Easyjet are already working on electric passenger aircraft - so are Boeing and others like Eviation Aircraft (who already have an electric passenger plane).
There is an article around about trails for passenger planes that run on biofuels, basically diesel.
That's interesting. Delhi Transport Corporation says 30% of its brand-new electric bus fleet is in the shop at any given time.
Here in Norwich Norfolk in the UK we've just had electric busses introduced. According to the drivers I've spoken to they connot be fully charged due to lack of infrastructure and have to go back to the depot when they have 30% charge left and can then only be brought up to 50%, so they are not on the road as much as they should be. Lastly the funny thing is that they are charged using a diesel generator. I rest my case. Keep up the great work you're doing.
I thought MGUY would have pointed out that electric busses are NOT net-zero - because the batteries need to be charged - from the power mains - electricity from a power station, typically run on fossil fuel. This is the inconvenient fact that the greenies ignore.
If a city wants to have electric busses - the solution is obvious: use 1930's technology - trolley buses powered from overhead cables - works well, no need for troublesome invertor electronics, no big lithium batteries, high efficiency, no down time for charging, unlimited range, no fire risk. Still not net-zero of course.
MGUY is wrong about climate change though. He states that the Earth has been around for millions of years. So it has, but in most of that time it has had a climate that modern humans couldn't tolerate. Whether the current warming up is mostly a remnant of coming out of the last little ice age or due to human-caused CO2 emissions remains uncertain. But there IS warming, and we humans have to manage that. Just not with silly battery powered vehicles.
A police force in the UK replaced all its ice vehicles with EVs, it saved a lot of emissions as they found they could not charge them and therefore couldn't use them.
Evidence please. Which transport manager were you talking to?
@@solentbum It was in the news.
@@altvamp Which 'News'.? I seem to remember a click bait story in one of the Red Tops, a couple of years ago, which was promptly answered by the Police Force involved.
I think you will find that the 'problem ' reported in the paper was down to the non delivery of the required charger on time. a fault not with the cars, just with a supplier, and now rectified.
It is unlikely that 'all' ICE vehicles were replaced in one go, if for no other reason than Budgetary restraints. Although there are a few Police cars that still need to be petrol/diesel powered the majority of Police cars are in reality only used for short and non urgent journeys, such as local enquiries, and local response to reported crime. All ideal for going EV. The transport manager for the force will know to a penny how much each vehicle costs, their mileage and useage, and buy vehicles accordingly.
@@solentbum Well I'd post the link but links aren't allowed here.
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When I was a kid the family went to Brisbane for Christmas hols. Back then they had electric trolley buses which worked pretty well. We spent a few days in Sydney with the relos there. Trolley buses were a thing in Sydney. These battery abominations will end up going the same way...to the wreckers yard. If they don't burn first.
The Fire Department in Vancouver British Columbia just put an Electric Fire truck into service. Can you imagine, your child is trapped in a burning building and the fire department can't make it because the truck doesn't have enough of a charge? Or during a natural disaster, the truck goes out of service because it can't be charged?
I live in the US. My city has added a few electric buses to our fleet of CNG buses. So far, they work great. They stay out all day, they are very quiet, and electricity in my area is cheap and comes from renewable sources (hydropower, mostly, with some solar and wind thrown in). The most important difference, I suspect, is the supplier. They didn't simply pick the lowest bidder and call it a day. Instead, they researched potential suppliers and only asked those that met their stringent criteria to bid.
Any company in any industry can end up in bankruptcy if they make bad financial decisions -- it's a shame the company mentioned in the video suffered that fate as it makes their entire industry look bad.
co2 is plant food and co2 doesn't effect temperature otherwise we would have been in real trouble as co2 has gone up by 44% in a hundred years
Uh duh
Why would they use batteryelectric vehicles in the citycenters? If they are locked on electric it seems like rail or trolleybuses would be the way to go. Much cheaper, no downtime, a system that actually can deliver enough power to heat passengerspace.
This idea of BEV buses in the cities is just as dumb as Elons Hyperloop nonsence.
Run wires from pole to pole. It’s called trolley and have been successfully used in even dumps like San Francisco.
One of my customers works for a nearby city that operates its own bus system. A few years ago the Federal government gave the city a grant to buy two EV busses. The busses have proved to be so unreliable the city has been forced to buy two backup diesel buses to insure their bus routes will be covered.
I'm sure not a problem in Australia but here in Finland it's winter now so with these temperatures (-5 to -25 c) range of ev:s drops easily 30 %....🇫🇮
Here in Oz we have VERY expensive and unreliable electricity. Storms today and tonight so power will be widespread disruptions as the sun is NOT shing and the wind will blow too hard. And baseload is at best junk.
Here in oZ we can have over 40 degrees c for days or weeks on end. I don't think that is good for EV's either.
The biggest problem for Australia, is that it becomes primarily a country of wide open spaces, that are sparsely populated, once you go inland a few miles from the coast. You can't live in that part of the country with an EV. Electric trucks also can't pull the road trains that serve remote areas. They don't have the range to cover those distances with 6 or 7 trailers in tow.
Just FYI. The city of Basel is switching their (city) bus fleet to EVs (away from natural gas, which replaced diesel, which replaced troley busses). The hardware works well, the busses are quiet. They have charging points distributed around the city where the busses recharge during operation via an overhead pickup. The recharge stops are part of the bus schedules. Is it pricey? Yeah. But having lived with a garden right next to a bus line, the noise/gas emission reduction cannot be denied.
A voice of reason in a sea of 'denial' - thanks.
@@ejbh3160 I dont think it is just denial. Cities where EV busses are failing poorly have engaged in shoddy planning and budget fiction. At the end of the day you get what you pay for. If you cant afford to buy good hardware and dont have the money to keep it in good working order, and your plan cut corners in the setup that would make it feasible, the outcome will be poor. This isnt an EV problem. And fixing it is easy, dont vote idiots into office.
I live in Edmonton, and didn't even know that we had electric buses. Maybe because they are always at the charge station or broken down. 😂
I found this report after seeing your more recent piece about electric bus operation (?) in Oslo, Norway. I'm very familiar with the winters in Edmonton and central Alberta - during the late 1960's, when I was in school, Edmonton had a period of over six weeks where the temperature never rose above -40 degrees (which is the same in C or F). For people who live in central and northern Alberta, coping with those temperatures is just part of normal life - for everyone, it seems, except Edmonton's most recent city council. Since few of them have any knowledge of or competence in any of the fields of engineering, battery chemistry, or transportation management, they pay no attention to either events elsewhere, or research that was being conducted into alternate fuel or energy systems for vehicles as early as the late 1980's. A lot of very systematic testing was done, over the course of several winters, on all available alternatives to gasoline or Diesel powered vehicles. And although some systems can be made to work, they are often plagued with temperature and weather related issues. The list of alternatives that were tested is too long to list here; let it suffice to say that every possible option was investigated thoroughly, at considerable cost and over a long period. No really viable alternative was obvious after all of the years of testing, and all of the research work was very well documented and published in peer-reviewed journals. There are many factors that emerge as problems depending on the particular technology, but the bottom line is: some things don't work very well in cold temperatures. In a city where even gasoline-fueled cars are fitted with engine heaters, powered from "mains" AC electricity and used when temperatures drop below specific temperatures, it is ludicrous to think that any power source whose performance degrades as the temperature drops is going to be a viable alternative. This is particularly true of vehicles using battery power because (as any chemical engineer or chemist can tell you) reactions slow down or stop altogether as ambient temperature drops. The other problem with the buses purchased by Edmonton is that they were built for service in the central and souther U.S., where "winter" is a very different thing than it is in Edmonton. Thus, things like seals, lubrication, steel frames or structures, or any of a hundred other components are also likely to fail unless chosen for, and proven in the low temperatures common in central and northern Canada. Unfortunately, the builders of these particular buses apparently did not consider this when designing the vehicles, and so even if the batteries had worked more efficiently, the buses still would have failed because of other components not being up to the job at -20, -30, -40 etc.
Edmonton learned this lesson in the 1960's, when it purchased test fleets of buses from makers in the U.K., Japan, and several other countries, because the cost per bus was much lower. And so it was - because they were not designed or equipped for cold-weather operation. And every last one of all of the "test fleets" was out of service in less than six months, because they broke down in cold weather - sometimes to the point that repair was not worthwhile economically. Cold weather vehicle design is a science all by itself, no matter what the motive power is. History repeats itself.
haha, can't get any better!!! Thanks Simon.
Love your videos from Los Angeles CA.
Canadian here from Vancouver British Columbia (the province beside Edmonton Alberta) and let me tell you these Proterra buses were TRASH from the beginning. The city councillors and mayor were in on the Proterra deal alongside ETS wanting to be Canada’s first to use battery buses. They had the second LARGEST TROLLEYBUS NETWORK and they RIPPED IT OUT scrapped all the good TROLLEYBUSES AND INFRASTRUCTURE then they wasted MORE MONEY ON THESE BATTERY BUSES! It’s beyond infuriating as Vancouver now Canada’s only Trolleybus Network sent over some trolleys to try out and they OVER preformed compared to these Proterra junk’s. Yet after these findings that were clear as day they sent back all of the test trolleybuses and went with Proterra cause they were cool. Now Edmonton is in a billion dollar hole missing 100+ trolleybuses but now stuck with 7 or 8 bricks on wheels that won’t even run in the cold all thanks to local government and climate action snowflakes!
Well Simon I have to wonder at the enormous size of the batteries that these buses have to use and it brings to mind something I thought of just yesterday - what is going to happen when they insist on say military vehicles having to become electric and I had have a giggle at what size if battery would say an Abrams tank have to use?? It is ludicrous to even think of that situation just imagine the size of the battery and the fact that it would have an extremely short range of travel and what in the name of reason would the crew do if it ran out of charge in the middle of an actual battle. This madness has to stop before the human race becomes totally certifiable.
America is not the best place to look for examples. They have a history of fumbling things and there are more successful examples elsewhere in the world. In general though, the pure battery bus is a stupid idea as the weight of the batteries means that the passenger capacity has to be reduced so that the bus is not overweight. Same with battery trucks and their cargo. The traditional trolleybus with a small battery pack that enables it to run off wire when required is a far more practical and proven concept.
Perhaps a mention of just where the electricity to recharge the buses comes from. In Wyoming at least, that electricity comes from coal or natural gas burning power plants. So how does that not defeat the intended net zero result? Not to mention the massive carbon footprint of producing these buses to begin with, which is never paid off in the lifetime use of the bus, especially after you consider the source of the "fuel" (coal burning electricity).
When I was in Cairns a few months ago, one of the routes i travelled on a few times had an electric bus. It was a beautiful smooth ride but i always sat as near to the exit as possible because i knew that underneath there must have been a huge battery.
Will Biden have Trump arrested to find out why these buses suck?
I lived in FL when we were hit with 2 Cat. 4 hurricanes that took out all the electric lines from Miami to Port St. Lucie. Power was out at my house for 6 WEEKS. It was tough, but if we all had to rely on electric cars it would have been a humanitarian catastrophe - likely thousands would have died. All because a psychotic Ruling Class can't stand the fact that us peons have the "luxury" of private cars!
We have lots of natural gas powered buses running for years now in Germany. They're never any trouble.
PROBLEM IS MANY TRANSIT CUSTOMERS ARE WHEELCHAIR BOUND AND GETTING EVERYONE OFF IN CASE OF A FIRE WOULD BE A DISASTER. THERE ARE NO CHARGING STATIONS IN OUR CITY. EV BUSES COST $1.4 MILLION EACH VS $400K FOR CNG BUSSES. PLUS BATTERY REPLACEMEN COST.
Well said, Simon. I only wish, those useful idiots blocking streets would take the time to watch your videos.
The idiots haven't got a brain so they wouldn't understand...
So the first busses are not off the road because they are electric.
Buy a shit product from a shit company you will have problems.
The article says that the busses being electric is nothing to do with their relablity
Your logic says there are no petrol powered lemons?
What about the scores of school busses in the US that are electric?
When all fire trucks are electric, pray your local firefighters don't have to wait a few hours for a recharge before coming to your burning house.
Lets not forget Alberta doesn't have Hydro electric power at the ready.
So much for Net O.
Wow. How come you were not able to mention that China has over 300,000 ev buses that are in daily use and are now exporting them around the world. ( BBC article from 2 days ago) Because they work. I guess it's more important to do selective reporting on a couple of unsuccessful companies. rather than successful one