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You know, if they want that badly to run on electricity, for public transportation that goes on fixed routes, there is already a solution: they could always just put up wires and go with trolleybuses. They work in any weather, they actually use less electricity by not having to charge and haul a huge battery, they have no fire hazard, AND don't pollute the world with making those batteries.
Yes but that would fly in the face of government policy, wouldn't it?
Having low-hanging wires over roads poses its own load of hazards, especially in places that have significant snow fall during winter where those cables would get in the way of snow blowers and the large dump trucks they load snow into. I'd much prefer having more subways. If the subway network got within walking distance of most places I go to, I wouldn't care to own a car.
Because the discussion is not fact but religiously driven... @@escapetheratracenow9883
@@teardowndan5364 I've never heard of a snow plow hitting the line, usually they're way out of the way. Snow fall might be an issue if the buses can't run but usually running the buses shakes the line to keep a large amount of buildup off the lines. I would think freezing rain would be a bigger issue for the lines. Seattle trackless bus system seems to be fairing well, although they don't see feet of snow every year. In fact they're continuing to expand the lines.
@@teardowndan5364
and yet Russia has been using them successfully for decades, even in their super cold weather
Norway would be stuffed without all that revenue from North Sea oil and gas. The hypocrisy is incredible.
They're stupid for not continuing to use free oil/gas.
Yes I’ve done quite a bit of work on the oil and gas industry and a very famous roster is termed the Norwegian roster😮
One of the highest per capita incomes in the world all due to Petroleum.
At least their government is smart enough to use their oil and gas to get their finances in order. I’m in Canada and my retarded government decided to do all they can keep their deficits within the range where they don’t completely destroy the economy while they are on power. And when they lose power, they will then blame the next government for fixing or trying to fix the economy they almost destroyed.
@@adamhero459Oh Canada, Oh, Canada, O Canada
In the early 80's the city of Tucson decided to buy an electric bus and show everyone how forward thinking they were.I was a motorcycle officer and was told to escort the bus with another motor because of the press and all the "dignitaries" riding the bus. We left the park area after the fanfare and back patting the politicians did. Myself and the other officer were "escorting" the bus and we were going at a walking pace and asked the driver if he was going to go faster, he told us the bus top speed is 6 miles per hour. Great forward thinking, put a bus at 6 MPH on a road with a 45 MPH speed limit, that really makes sense.
I'm a fleet mechanic at a small school bus company in Canada. A electric school bus salesman came in trying to convince us to buy some. We asked how they provide heat in the winter which here can sometimes be -30C. He said they use a diesel webasto heater. We all laughed.
I live in the upper peninsula of Michigan. Our winters get that cold on occasion. One of the local rural schools purchased some electric buses. I don't think it's going to turn out well.
And the tax payers have to dish out 3x the cost for a electric school bus @@henrylicious
While internal combustion engines need...wait for it...electric starters. We all laughed.
@conveyor2 oh really? All? Ever heard of a kick starter? Or a air starter? We're all laughing at you dummy.
@@conveyor2 And we all laugh at you liberal loon
There's actually a pretty simple solution. Don't use batteries. When I was a kid, we had electric trolly busses in many Canadian cities. The power ran through overhead lines. We use electric trains, with the power supplied through the rails.
Right? Forgive my ignorance but aren't the trains in Europe mainly powered by electricity via overhead wire (or rail?)?
@@user-nh3gu1ge3d I don't know, but my guess would be that commuter trains are. Longer range trains are probably diesel.
And governments, IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM!!!!! scrapped all the trollies in the 1950's. Governments are the PROBLEM in your day. Governments are NOT the solution!
@@the_Kurgan In England there are hybrid trains - overhead wire where the track has been upgraded - diesel when not upgraded. Tube trains use ground level pickups. Trams use overhead wires.
Most underground and some normal trains use ground level 3rd rail system
My mind boggles as reports from Canada and USA say that EV buses are useless in the cold and yet Norway goes ahead and buys them. These people are mentally insane and their actions prove it.
when you can throw your 1 trillion pension fund around on anything it takes a mountain of failures to change one mind,.
@Ghosy01 EXACTLY WHY pension funds shouldn't invest in companies under 20 years old.....
It’s easy to waste other people’s money!
Sydney transport has some electric buses and they cannot manage the summer heat, the aircon saps the power from the drive battery. Admittedly they are quiet and comfortable but useless in hot weather and require a lot of electricity to charge and given the poor management of Australia's energy grid they will be useless when rolling blackout's occur.
they know that this 'net zero' thing will not work. this is all a smokescreen, to get all of us to not have cars, so that they can implement social credit scores to public transportation usage, which will be mandatory, in the future. they already know that these issues exist, they are using them against us, in a massive psy op.
I am a bus driver for Brookvale, the air-conditioning on the buses has to be on all the time. It is set to 22.3 degrees. So what the Norwegians and others fail to take into account is the massive power drain from the air-conditioning and power steering as well. Plus the motors to drive the pneumatic suspension. These officials are idiots
Simply doing as they're told. With your money 💰. All populations of the world are being treated as serfs in their respective kingdoms.
There are plenty of videos from London electric bus drivers who are very happy driving electric busses. It’s not all bad news. It’s mostly good news with bev busses.
My brother has a Tesla car. He has to conserve his A/C. Turning it on intermittently. Heavier weight reduce the range as well. The interior is cheaply made to save weight as well.
@@TrumpIsrael2024 really depends on how far you’re driving. Maybe he doesn’t need to but is afraid to run out and is being extra cautious. I have an ev and never switch off heating in our cold winters. But there is still 3 times more range than I need most days. So it’s no problem.
@@tigertoo01 yeah but good news doesn't get you clicks and he would actually have to make a video that is not nearly identical
to every other video he has ever made.
Bus technology peaked back in the 40's with the trolley bus. They run on mains power, run in any conditions, have heaters and air conditioning and are simple and reliable. If you want to update the tech, add a battery as a backup so the bus can lower is pantograph and drive under its own power. No rails to maintain just overhead cables. Old tech is often the best solution.
Russia uses them extensively to great effect
There is a lot of infrastructure for overhead cables. Batteries would offer more flexibility and no need for overhead cables. New tech is best.
East Anglia transport museum in the uk has some fine examples of electric buses ... If it helps.
In Glasgow at any rate, the Tram's were even better, should never have been gotten rid of.
Batteries are heavy and take up cargo space. They need charging and that takes time. The range is limited and Lithium likes to catch fire. A fire you cannot put out. But batteries are the best!!! Turn you brain on.
Living in Stockholm, I can tell you that it’s not fun when the bus is late even just a few minutes when it’s -15 C, let alone when it never turns up
Hello here from South Africa. Before Mandela we had an efficient electric railway infrastructure, that took thousands of commuters, including me, to work ever day. That was destroyed, by corruption on a massive scale. Now it is all road transport in crowded minibus taxis, spewing diesel fumes. But, hey, rather than fixing the railway infrastructure - they brought in electric busses!! Yay! One of them burst into flames right in front of me. It took hours before the fire could be put out and the highway was blocked all that time. Yay!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You blaming Mandella?
@@DemiGod..yes he destroyed a once beautiful first world country.
@@DemiGod.. you must not know much about his real history to defend him did you know he stealthily extradited his ex-wife out of south africa because she had slave children and beat or or more to game over in minecraft ? he also had zero qualification to become president other than having been wrongfully arrested that's not enough to make you good at your job, south africa today is closer to the movie mad max than what you would call a country it's not his actions alone but he didn't help
Maybe it should be mandated that all Public Service offices have their Air-con turned off and staff vehicles be replaced with bicycles or public transport . Let's see how a dose of reality wakes them up.
No that's not fair. Give each employee a personal Solar Panel and a hand wind turbine.
🤣🤣@@scaryfakevirus
They should be tested for drug use.
@user-of8ti2zl8f You do realise without oil refinement you don't get plastic right? It's a by product of the refinement.
LOL can you give us an estimated date on when we will run out? @@mechanic2121
If any significant portion of the vehicle fleet is replaced with EVs, the load on the grid will become unworkable. The solution, as always, will be to increase the cost of electricity to discourage demand. This doesn't just penalise the EV owners, but every home and business that uses electricity.
This is only true if the fleet changed over night. If the grid and supply of power expand moderately as the EV's take over this will not be a problem.
If an EV use 0.2kWh pr. km, drive 2000km pr. month for 400kWh total and the same household used about 2000kWh pr. month, it would add only 20% to the energy usage of the household.
The majority of electric power used in a country is industry and not households.
If all transportation was electric, the total extra load on the grid would not be more than 10% more.
You are ignoranmt. Go anf do some research rather than regurgitate the lies that you have been spoon fed. The grid will cope just fine. The demand for EV charging happens at times when demand for other uses is low and in any case the increase in demand is comparable to that in the 1960s when air conditioning became popular.
@@immodsr9348 10% of something that there is a shortage of in peak demand times and 10% of something that is 83% reliant on the burning of fossil fuels to produce it and, at about 35% thermal efficiency. The horse and the cart need to be put in the correct order, I would suggest.
@@rogerphelps9939 I studied Electrical Engineering and no, I'm not ignorant about how power grids work. It is you that have been spoon fed nonsense. Now go back to your cot and read some books please.
@@immodsr9348 The average power usage in the U.S. is about 900kWh/month.
Here is a quote: "According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the average U.S. residential customer uses approximately 909 kWh per month of energy, or around 10,909 kWh per year." So, a car that uses 400kWh/month to charge would increase their power usage by 44%.
They bought 320 buses without testing them first? Insane.
A lot of connected people were on the take, as usual.
DemocRATS in action with much ado signifying nothing useful.
"Insane". That's a synonym for 'government'.
Socialism at its best!!!
Don't believe everything you're told on YT. Charging stations malfunctioned, not the busses.
I’m a mechanic for NYCTA, the all electric buses only run in certain routes of the city that don’t require going up too many steep grades or hills. We had road calls for buses stuck going up hills because the batteries were dying out while in service.
@NYPATRIOTBX I’m not surprised. EV’s for the most part just are not suitable for commercial applications unless every scenario is perfect, which it never is. Around Atlanta we have diesel busses, and CNG busses, and both emit near zero emissions due to the after treatment system on the diesel busses, and natural gas is the cleanest burning fuel there is. The government is wasting billions trying to reinvent the wheel when the solutions in place are working just fine. Also, the market will naturally progress towards even cleaner more efficient options that take time to develop.
I’m a truck driver and I have an Espar bunk heater, which is just a diesel powered heater. It’s a very simple system and burns almost no fuel compared to idling a 15 liter engine. It’s similar to having a kerosene heater because there’s no smell, and basically no emissions. If I go stand by the outlet pipe with the bunk heater on there is no smell at all because the fuel injected is fully combusted to generate the maximum amount of heat.
@@DylanTheDriver we have those same buses here in NY, we even have hybrids that basically have a 6.7 Cummins running a generator, that recharge the batteries on the roof that power the traction motor and not many problems with those. All of our buses have regen sytems that clean out the DPF every so often. They are a far cleaner compared to the old Novas we had with 6v92’s.
Which will save the planet when fossil fuel vehicles banned as if busses cant go up steep hills, less fossil fuels will be burned at the power station to provide electricity for the EV busses. The Covid test with regrard to limiting movement was a success paving the way for EV vehicle travel restrictions.
The really funny part with our busses in Scandinavia is that more than 90% of them has a diesel-heater for heating the inside of the bus and that has no form of system that cleans the exhausts, so they actually pollutes more in winter than an ordinary diesel-bus. Hilarious🤣🤣🤣
You do know that all modern deisel busses have additional dieselheaters also (speced aslo on many cars for northern countries) as diesels have a hard time producing enough residule heat?
Also, would love to see your figues of diesel consumpion and polution of said heaters in an ev buss vs a dieselbus aslo with a dieselheater. I mean, are you saing a dieselhearter uses more fuel than a 10tonne buss driving?
@@no66 no he's saying there is no emission standard for those engines. They don't have Selective Catalytic Reduction Systems, exhaust scrubbers, or Exhaust Gas Recirculation. So the emissions of small deisel heaters are far greater than than the engines of buses and tractor trailers. The fuel consumption itself is irrelevant and a strawman you created.
@@Angelcynn_ same for a diesel heater on a Diesel buss then.
You don’t know what you’re talking about 🤡
@@no66 A diesel heater in an electric bus, isn't going to meet net zero goals, simply because it uses diesel. And what happens when the oil companies are shut down, because there are no more petrol or diesel powered vehicles on the road to use their products? Where does the diesel for the heater come from? Oil refineries are not set up for running off small batches, they are set up for mass production. They aren't going to run them at 5% or less capacity, because it costs them as much to run them at that capacity, as it does to run them at 100% capacity, and with so little demand, oil prices will plummet, and they won't be able to pay the expenses of running the refinery. Drillers also won't be profitable at such small volumes, and most will shut down, so the refineries will have trouble sourcing enough raw petroleum to make anything.
Does anyone else find it ironic that the things that are introduced to stop us getting warmer actually need that warmth to work?
Elite loves to take the piss on Common people in every possible way. That is a confirmation for them that they are smarter and deserte to rule the population made of cow-people
The amazing thing is that people think we can control the climate.
Wind turbines in Scotland have diesel generators to power heating elements in the turbine blades.
When it's still and snow builds up on the blades the weight of the snow can break those blades.
Of course they cut down 14M trees in 2021 to install the windfarms and someone needs to refuel the diesel generators buy driving tankers to them...
@@davelowe1977with a remote control or an app on iPhone
@@mechanic2121 The Clarke Creek wind farm project will clear 1521 hectares of bush including euthanising koalas by blunt force trauma...
So between 5pm and 9pm you can't run your air conditioner, plug in your EV, use your electric oven, run your dishwasher or laundry, or charge your cell phone. Sounds like living off grid.
yeah, but we are saving the planet - from humans...
It sounds worse than a war-torn refugee camp.
Thousands of pensioners die in Britain every year because they couldn't afford to heat their homes.
Great way to thin the herd and blame the victims for contributing to so-called global warming. 😠
I expect we are going to solve this problem the same way we solve resource shortages, the emissions being the resource we will "compete" for@@gregjenkins2925
Just done some research most of Norway‘s electricity is in fact hydro generation, so the buses really are a mission free however, according to some sources I have researched they are the third biggest exporter in the world of oil and gas!
@@malcolmwhite6588 Interesting. Thx.
And here was me thinking that Norway was pretty sensible re EV's. Apparently, one of their ferry companies refuses to take EV's because of the combustion problems. Obviously, their pragmatic approach isn't universal. Greetings and solidarity from Cornwall UK. ✌️ I like your channel very much - it's succinct and straight to the point.
It's not just that. Insurance companies are refusing to cover them, apartments are refusing to allow them in underground parking, homeowners insurance are refusing to cover home in which they are parked, etc etc etc......they KNOW the risks....and reject them.....says a LOT....
UK company DFDS are looking at buying electric Ferries LOL. They are serious theyve already ordered 100 EV trucks, presumably which will travel over the water.
They are not pragmatic at all. The only reason evs sell well there is because they have literally doubled the price of petrol and diesel cars via tax so evs can compete with them. Evs are also given other benefits like priority parking etc
@@foxxster3565 In places where the incentive packages have stopped, none are being sold at all now. Funny how that works when the taxpayer money funnel gets removed out from under them.
Agreeing with you. I read that Switzerlad has BANNED EV's period. partly because of the battery fire danger hazard
in my country Denmark there was a snowstorm and all the electric buses could not move, but the Danish government has plans to remove all Electric buses from Denmark and now they will be learning the hard way
Why couldn't the buses move? Was it poorly build charging infrastructure like it was in this case?
@@MegaLokopo because of the ice, there is no friction, and the ties spin faster so it drains the battery before it can reach the destination to be recharged, even now we have electric trucks but it is not allowed to carry heavy loads are only used to carry chips and toilet paper to the supermarkets
@@samuelselassie57 Ice is no more a problem for electric vehicles than it is for gas vehicles. electric vehicles have more control over the power given to their wheels, they can produce far more torque at a lower speed which would make them better at dealing with ice. The biggest difference maker would be how well the vehicle is designed and how it is programmed. A well programmed ev will perform much better in ice.
Anyways why wouldn't you have auto chains on a bus if ice is a concern?
@@MegaLokopo the weather was so bad all the electric buses and electric cars went out of order, the petrol and diesel cars have 0.0 problem because the heat and combustion always keep everything running in the engine
@@samuelselassie57 Electric vehicles also have heaters. In most cases it is the charging infrastructure that failed due to poor design not the vehicles themselves.
Here in Toronto Canada electric busses have diesel heaters for very cold winters. It’s a scam
One of the main reasons UK is pushing so called smart electricity meters is exaclty this problem. Energy providers wouldn't have to ask you to limit your usage they could just cut you of remotely.
Here in Michigan they started charging roughly 6 cents more per kwh during peak usage than non peak times. They can do that in the UK to encourage off peak use.
@@dannydaw59 Yes i think this is what the the plan is in the UK also but in order to do that that would need to change most of the meters. I think on a regular one you can't check what time was the energy used.
its about global wealth distribution along with control of mobility.
Refuse all smart meters they can't force you, I'm still on the old mechanical one, UK suppliers are very pushy but stand your ground.
Ah yes ! Big Brother is watching you mate !
Well designed electric busses have been around for 90 years or so. They were quite common in the Boston area years ago, where I grew up. They worked great, had no batteries, ran quietly, and very cleanly, and were very efficient. And they had good heat. They ran on routes that carried overhead catenary lines to provide power. A good number of cities are still using them, I was in Seattle a few years ago and saw quite a few of them. But they are not an eye candy, revolutionary technology leap to grab headlines. They are an old school technology that still works, so no one can brag about them effectively. So they don’t get built. Oh well.
That is direct suspension trolley wire, NOT "catenary" which is what the Blue Line uses. WARNING! do not fall into the semantic traps that the "T" lays; like
"bus rapid transit in mixed traffic" or describing the metro lines as "heavy rail" . We will get to witness the folly as the last lines recently closed for this option.
Agree
Electric busses don't work as intended.
Roughly in 1970 to 1972, the Boston "T" (MBTA) switched a lot of the surface routes to gasoline or diesel, took down the overhead wires and sold the wire as scrap copper.
Then came the 1973 "Arab oil embargo". Fuel prices tripled (from 25 cents per gallon to 75 at the retail pump). Late 1973 and early 1974 saw a lot of the wires (with fresh shiny new copper) going back up.
There’s a lot of infrastructure and maintenance in the overhead system. They are complicated. I’m not sure battery ev busses are better but could you imagine retofitting a city like London with this kind of system? People would not stand for it at all. Ugly overhead cables everywhere. Or busses with batteries which are more autonomous. I’ll agree with you that it’s not straight forward the solution to removing diesel buses but I don’t think battery buses are as bad as your making out either.
Every time I see another story about the failure of ev's it warms my heart! ❤
@@mechanic2121
that petrol car fire was actually an electrical fire, not a fuel fire! try again
@@mechanic2121 It was caused by an electrical fault. Nice try.
@@mechanic2121and another uneducated muppet that doesn't understand.. 🙄
@@mechanic2121
you mean the one that was deliberately lit by an arsonist?
'If you want a self driving car, get a taxi!' - brilliant! I may have snorted a bit of coffee on that one. Great vid'
I live in Quebec Canada where it can get to -20C to -40C. Good luck running an EV here.
Hahaha, bloody outstanding Simon, just priceless, thanks mate! The media is complicit in all this "heatwave" rubbish after reading time and again how "heatwave" conditions are going to strike with temps expected to hit 32c, what utter BS! It is summer here and the norm is mid to high 30s with heatwaves in excess of 40C NOT under!! Australia has always had heatwaves in the 40s for.ever. It is not unusual for heatwave conditions in one part of Oz whilst cool conditions with rain/flooding in another. Where I live the temps have been below 30C all week, but it is the humidity that is the killer on the coast. But according to the media all Australia is burning up in a "heatwave"!
The problem with setting time limits for when an electric device can be used is that EVERYONE uses them at the same time and that overloads the grid.
Norway can afford crap like this because they have a sovereign wealth fund derived from oil and gas sales.
They have a sovereign wealth fund because they locked it up legally in such a way the politicians couldn't get to it. That is the problem in most other countries. The politicians would get their hands on the fund's money and spend it all immediately.
Sounds like someone in the Norwegian government has a mate who sells electric buses at inflated prices - redistribution of wealth....am I wrong?
This video sparked a memory..................
The company next to the place my wife worked at (about 20 years ago)........was creating/testing an electric bus
*that took place in a desert climate - Southern CA
Love this guy’s dry sense of humor!
Norway's economy is significantly dependent on its oil and gas production, with the country being a major global supplier. The exports of oil and gas have played a crucial role in creating the modern Norwegian society, and nearly all oil and gas produced on the Norwegian shelf is exported. Norway's oil revenue amounts to 4.3 percent of its GDP, which is significantly higher than the OECD average of 0.2 percent. The country's hydrocarbon exports accounted for 60% of its total exports, 28% of its GDP, and 42% of its state revenue in 2021. Additionally, Norway is the third largest gas exporter in the world, and it can export nearly all the oil and gas it produces due to its small domestic energy market. The recent increase in oil and gas production has led to record profits, further highlighting the importance of this sector to the Norwegian economy. So on the one hand they appear to be bending over backwards to save the environment and on the other, they're milking the environment for all it's worth. Bloody hypocrite Norwegians.
Just as a side note, isn't the government in Norway the very same one that thought that bringing in a huge number of North African migrants was a great idea? 😕
It’s your demand for oil and gas which is to blame for the supply. If they didn’t do it someone else would have. They are one country who are using their oil wealth correctly to transition out of the oil era to a renewable energy one. You don’t see idiotic mega tourist cities being built like in the Middle East just wasting their oil wealth in the hopes that tourism will continue their wealth when oil runs out. Would you prefer the Norwegians did this so they didn’t look like Hippocrates?
@wayne_3791 no most people come to comments to let loose on an insult fetish to satisfy a sick urge. But some come here because they are interested in the topic and wish to discuss. Maybe write a long response if they so feel like.
Oh the irony......if the Norwegians were really thát concerned with the carbon etc they should cease ALL oil and gas production. The hypochrisy !
@@stavrosk.2868 it’s called a transition for a reason. At least Norwegian people are spending their oil gained wealth on the transition to renewables. When you’re complaining that your country is a long way behind the “transition” remember this comment you made and realise you’re completely out of touch.
The range of an EV bus is also greatly effected when the bus is full.
So the more passengers, the less distance it can travel.
So much for the song.
The wheels on the bus go round and round, all day long.
The wheels on an EV bus go round and round, for about half a day, then take 2 days to recharge.
Good this electric stuff.
Such a major step backwards.
2 days to charge? How about 1 hour!? Whilst not a bus, the 38-ton Tesla Semi has a range of 500 miles and takes an hour to charge.
@@jeremyradford5103 if you believe Musk and his lies about the non existent chargers.
@sahhull The Tesla Semi's range and charging speeds have been confirmed by independent assessors, so there is no need to accept Musk's word.
@@jeremyradford5103 the Pepsi Co drivers that have gone public about the Tesla Semi disagree about the range, charge time and capabilities and reliability of the truck.
@sahhull You, of course, can supply a link to that claim.
Your presentations are based on pure rational logic. Or common sense. Great service you provide
The problem I see is common sense has changed its meaning since I was a child.
Excellent
it should now be referred to as *uncommon sense*
@@gregjenkins2925 Nice try, bot
@@andyman8630 Or one could say that common sense, isn't. 🙄
Its called uncommon sense now
I live in same temperatures and I remember an ad from a bus company praising busses as "already warmed up car with a hired driver". We now loose the heating and they also want to unemploy the drivers as soon as possible too.
Don't worry. Your electric car will get orders from the government to stop charging during those 'use less electricity' orders. You'll be trapped wherever you are so I hope you aren't trapped in your electric car. Also don't forget to not drive through anywhere it rains since if you splash through a puddle it'll void the warranty. I loved that headline about doing your washing/drying the next morning. I don't know how electric rates are there but where I'm at in the US my local electric company charges more during the day in summer than any other time of the day. Frankly I stopped using A/C a few years ago when the rates got so high here and basically moved my summer existence to my cooler basement.
it appears any one under the age of 20 has no idea of past weather patterns, also some older people seem to have very short memories
Sheeple under the age of 30 have no idea.
Norway's winter electric bus problem would be solved if only they would embrace Global Warming .
That’s of course if global warming actually exists 😁😁😁😉😉😉
@@davegoldspink5354
In the UK significantly more people die from cold than heat. It's something like 2,500 cold deaths versus 50 heat deaths
@@richy69ify yeah exactly. Been hearing the same shit about “climate change” since the 70s.
@@davegoldspink5354 Yeah, that's what happens. The climate changes all the time whether human beings are here or not. This is a crisis of STUPID.
Lol Lol Lol
I can remember when we used to have trolleybusses, just bring them back.
I've watched a few of your shows and I'm finding much interest in this subject. You seem to be about the only rational person talking about EVs. New sub. 🙂
so why can't they have wire's pumping power into them when they did a hundred years ago with trolley's?🤣🤣🤣
The electric buses that have been trialed here in Ottawa Canada (similar climate to Oslo), have auxiliary diesel heaters that turn on at temperatures under 5C. Rumor is that the mechanics were not allowed to put the usual "diesel fuel only" sticker on the fuel cover flap because "it's an electric bus".
Virtue signalling as usual.
Every new technology takes some time to get mature.
Laughable
@@beatreutelerphysics doesnt mature
@@jamesocker5235 Sure, but our use of it, including the same with chemistry.
Well said. I'm 83yo. The climate has not changed from when i was a kid to the present day, from my observations. We are being conned big time and our elected representatives are behind it. How can we have faith in any of them, especially after what happened to the citizens of Victoria during the forced lockdown, with the brutality, innocent Melbournians experienced from the hired thugs of the former Governor of Victoria Australia. Bob NZ.
Never a true word spoken Bob!
I'm no EV zealot, but your observations of the climate do not correlate with the data.
has from my pov, more extremes, much milder winters, warmer seas
@@davidbrayshaw3529 The data is provided by those who are funded by interested parties further up the food chain, which is why significant events that also affect climate markedly like the Tongan volcano are seldom mentioned.....there's no money to be made from it.The whole green movement is a money making scam of gigantic proportions, imo of course
@@maxsec2 How many years does your POV cover? How can YOU tell if the sea is warmer? According to CNN science expert, Michio Kaku DEWs can fire trillion watt lasers into the sky to bring down lightning and massive rainstorms. And they can do a lot more than that.
Nevertheless, the mis-informed, alarmists and authoritarians continue pushing this expensive madness towards their net zero fallacy.
I live in Perm, Russia. Here we easily can have minus 40 Celsius and ALL of city buses works on natural gas. No smoke, no smell but all the advantages of IC engine. But this year transport department started one route equipped with electric buses as an experiment. I've tested them and it's warm inside.
Solaris is a bus manufacturing company located in Poland. Just after news about massive bus failures reached jurnalists asked Solaris about their comments on the issue. The reply was that is was not a problem with the busses but actually charging infrastructure failed and did not allow to charge the busses properly. While this answer could explain the problem faced, none of incident reports claimed busses started service with undercharged batteries. Low charge level at the begining of duty should be immediately noticed by drivers. Yet no such claims were reported. So we need to stick with obvious conclusion: cold has massively deteriorated busses range.
Interesting. Unibuss in Oslo is using Solaris buses. Let's wait and see if there will be press about how these did during this coming winter.
The worst part is to see how the media accept these limitations as the new normal
There are no limitation, they are working perfectly please do not refer to this idiot.
We have -30.c and below quite often here. I run a petrol car and always will. EV’s would be dangerous in winter here and the reduced range in the cold makes them useless.
The coldest recorded temperature was -50.c here.
Indeed using ev in an environment characterized by low temperature is putting your life at risk outside metropolitan areas. Another ev feature pretty much appreciated by our Malthusian elite
@@nicolagianaroli2024 ev will keep you warm longer than an ICE if you get stuck
@@maxsec2 It even comes with beautiful fireworks :)
@@maxsec2 Citation required. This statement flies in the face of common sense since the energy density of liquid fuels is much greater than that of a lithium battery. Additionally the heating in an EV is using the battery energy that is reduced in cold environments.
@@maxsec2Especially if it externally combusts. Should keep you warm until help comes 3days later🤣
Love your content. Here in B.C Canada, the Vancouver fire department has rolled out an electric fire truck. 😂😂😂😂 how long before that one goes up in flames.....
Hey, at least they can put their own fire out😂
It'll make it to the first fire and run out of battery when they get the second call. Absolute joke. Fire trucks literally weigh as much a main battle tank as is. The streets will be crushed beneath an EV pos.
It was probably the stunning and brave VVOman Fire Quief's idea.
Hmmm checked my calendar,i thought it was april 1st.
a true *fire* engine! one that spontaneously combusts!
My town spent 6 million on electric busses they cant use in the winter.
Vancouver Canada bought 3.. 3 are parked.
This is why here in Canada many people are saying no to EVs, especially the further north you live. I remember watching an EV car owner in the UK going out one morning at zero degrees Celsius and watched his range drop, this convinced me that a new power source is required.
Check how old the video was?
Even a gas or diesel vehicle will have the range drop when it is cold out. That is how energy works.
You haven't even mentioned the environmental damage that is done mining lithium and cobalt. Millions of litres of water to mine 1 ton of lithium and lithium is mined in driest parts of the world. Then shipped (diesel) to China to be processed using coal (70% of worlds lithium process in China), then shipped again to battery cell manufacturers then shipped again to car battery manufactures. Then only 5% of lithium batteries are recycled. EV batteries are far worse for the environment than burning petrol or diesel in your car. The rest is the same, burning coal to melt mined graphite and silicone for glass, blast furnaces for iron ore to make steel, coal powered factories to stamp out car panels, billions of tyres burnt every year etc etc etc
we live in a clown world. Logic and facts went out the window around the time we were locked in hour homes and told not to ask questions.
No no no ev will save the planet and have zero emissions. Didn’t u get the memo?
@@nordlandak6853😂🤣😂 That’ll happen like me becoming the next Miss Universe or for that matter if zero emissions were a real possibility 😉😉😉😁😁😁
@@davegoldspink5354
wasn't the latest Miss Universe actually a Mr Universe?
If the ships were diesel they'd be less polluting; the majority of them use Heavy Fuel Oil, which is thick like tar and is the off-shoot of the fuel refining process. It's super nasty stuff and, if governments and environmentalists were serious about reducing emissions, they'd be spending way more time, energy and resources on cleaning up the shipping industry than going after passenger vehicles.
@@deanchur
while i agree, a little clarification! 'diesel' is a combustion process (named after the inventor of the diesel engine, Rudolph Diesel) and the fuel was named after the engine - in fact a diesel engine will run on just about any oil, including coconut oil which is 50% more efficient and produces 50% less emissions
ships operate diesel engines and use the cheapest and nastiest fuel on Earth! fuel oil! which must first be heated before it can be used
Question: How on earth did they not know this, its been common knowledge in Canda, and Canadians who were hood winked into buying electric vehicles, know that the range of these vehicles are halved. And it only gets worse as the batteries age.
Overpaid, know-nothing executives, that's how.
@@sajjie8121 Also likely to be climate zealots who bulldoze their way into these situations and
then cannot extricate themselves from it. It's the same way that they treat the tax-payers wallets.
"Alaska’s first electric-powered school bus is performing well - even at 40 below"
Google it and be informed.
If you build it correctly...it will work correctly.
they did knew this and it has been taken into account but this idiot is ignoring it all and makes up his own narrative to fit his worldview as the issue was with broken chargers, not with the buses.
Here in Canada we have lunatics running our federal government. The issue with batteries in cold weather is common knowledge so I thought. The nutjobs continue to ignore the science and limiting factors involving electricity storage. The technology is not up to par if ever. Meanwhile in China they are building more coal fired plants at an alarming rate.
When I lived in the bay area last year, PG&E ran radio ads asking people to charge their PHONES during off-peak hours.
I was an ev tech for an electric bus company in Chattanooga TN back in the 90's. AVS. They are still in service. It's all about battery temp management. They have to be heated or cooled accordingly.
Solution.Employ industrial sized toasters to be placed under the buses to keep the battery warm and in tip top condition.😃
I recall reading about someone who tried this. The vehicle had a rapid unscheduled transformation into Crematorium Mode.
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I've only come across your channel very recently, and I greatly appreciate the cool, calm way you present the facts and your opinions.. You may be on the other side of the world from me, but you deserve my subscription and best wishes for the channel's future.
Awrabest from Edinburgh, Scotland!
Don’t you mean dull and lifeless. Looks like a talking mop.
Albuquerque ordered a fleet of EV buses from China 5 years ago. The number purchased was based on the miles between charges. After a test period the buses could not meet the contract because Albuquerque is too cold in the winter and too hot in the summer. Fortunately the city returned the buses to China and got its money back.
I think sodium ion battery will work
fun fact from technical checkout from a bus producer. Busses are okay but Norway chargers in cold dont work okay. They showing fake charging values and stop prematurely.
I've learned a ton of good information from your channel. I work in the Rocky Mountains for a transportation company and we are resisting all efforts to sell us electric buses!
We had overhead electric trams and trolley buses back in the 1950s in the UK VERY SENSIBLE
yeah, why can't they diversify vehicle fuel sources why does it all have to be battery electrics when they system is already being stressed to breaking point at this point let alone with more battery electrics coming in the future?🤣🤣🤣
The sad thing is in my area we had perfectly working hybrid busses. They were diseal most the time but had the trolley like connectors to overhead wires to run electric in the downtown area. It let it be silent and emission free in the city limits but also not have to carry around a 2 ton battery or the like. Sadly they removed them for 100% battery busses not long ago, and they are a complete joke in terms of reliability and range.
One step forward, two steps backward
Yes but you must have the latest and greatest not that old technology that lasts for years but something that will be out of date in five years as we won't supply the spares requiring replacement so we make more money more often.
I grow in Limoges, France where all the bus were trolleybus so technically EVs. Great silent rides, no fire.
I live in Montréal, and in winter batteries' EVs range is a huge problem on coldwave! They don't work well when it's really cold.
It is fraudulent to call these vehicles “zero emissions” when they obviously require large amounts of energy to charge the batteries.
A msn story says with the price of the car and repair costs it ends up to be 17.00 dollars a gallon US to operate. If you damage the battery and it must be replaced the battery costs more than the car when new. It is totaled and your insurance will go up 50 percent after payout.
I agree, Australian summers usually feature days or a week of high temps. A good old fashioned series of blackouts and brown outs would be a good thing to wake people up what a mess things are.
Not just that either but the stupid fashion of rendering brick houses and then painting them in dark colours along with black tiled roofs. Then in summertime the air conditioning has to be used just to stay cool inside because the house being a dark colour heats up and stores the heat and then radiates it into the house. Then people complain of high electricity bills. If they had light coloured walls and a white painted roof it would be so much cooler in summertime. Some idiots like to think that a dark coloured house heats up in winter time thereby warming the house. But the atmosphere is cooler in winter and it won't heat the house so the air conditioning is needed on the heat setting.
I wonder how long it's going to take before they are using portable Diesel heaters to keep both the batteries and passengers warm !
They are already in use. Diesel heater has very good energy efficiency unlike when used in drive train. Haeaters are needed only winter time so this is the most cost efficient way.
The self driving part is so true. I love driving my car and i wouldn't accept any other way
Edmonton Alberta Canada bought $60 Million worth of Electric Buses. They got a few miles and BOOM, Battery Dead. 8 Hour shift on a normal diesel transit bus, then tank is topped up for the next shift . And we had Electric Trolley Buses until 2008 !
I hike non stop. In the winter, when it is below zero, my phone struggles to keep working.
The battery dies within minutes. It sometimes shuts off, I assume the battery is dead, but when I return to the car and power it on, the battery is at 45%. most people don’t know where electricity comes from or how it’s made.
In Philadelphia Pa . USA - Electric Busses Have been Running , Real Regular , for 127 Years ! They ARE called Trolley Cars ! Trackless trolley Cars have been Operating for 100 Years ! ------ [] The City of New Orleans has been Operating Their Trolly System for 127 Years !
This reminds me of story from Germany where they tried to introduce a fleet of electric buses, but they kept catching on fire, and they had to bring back the diesel buses.
London got rid of it's fleet of diesel bendy-busses after many of them randomly caught fire when driving. Earned them the nickname of "Chariots of fire"
But that won't suit your narrative will it ?
@@mechanic2121 But I bet the EV fires were a whole lot more problematic to put out than the Gas-powered ones, eh?
Use the fire for heat. 😅
@@sajjie8121
Absolutely, EV fires are a nightmare for the Fire Brigade to put out.
@@artiejones6417
lol 😂, that’s a good idea.
No worries! They can sell them to Blackout Bowen! 😂😂😂
I am originally from the inland low desert of S. California. It tended to piss me off in the long summer because coastals used their AC even when it was only 90F there. Meanwhile we were told to try not to use ours when it was 105F plus. I did find an easy way to cut my electric bill though. Before leaving the house I unplugged everything that didn’t need to be running while we were gone. Microwave, lamps, tv, stereo, coffee maker, electric fans, toaster, night lights, etc.. Because the outlet for my entertainment center was behind it, I plugged everything into a multi-plug extension cord that had an off/on switch and turned that off. A tiny bit of electricity was still wasted but not as much. This would be a problem for people who use wifi to run things for them. Anything that is plugged in has electricity bleeding off to it even if it is off.
Really?
I'm not Australian, but that whole "please turn off your air condition plea" sounds to my ear like "could you the customer who buys our electricity please consume as little as you can" and the thing is, if they are obligated to provide you with electricity at a set rate they will say anything to get you to consume less, because they are losing money when the price of production goes higher than what they're getting from selling electricity to you. In my opinion it has nothing to do with the environment, it is all about their profit margins.
24C is officially uncomfortable. I would point out that 5-9pm also corresponds to pretty much all the leisure time the vast majority of folks get on a regular basis.
Exactly.
At least with a warming planet the battery buses in Norway should be fine by 2050.
🤣😂
Warming planet will cause AMOC collapse. Signs already there, and could happen sooner rather than later.
You might want to look up how that is going to affect Northern Europe, or the world for that matter.
You mean until 2025.. when the batteries start to fail and people start to complain about the lack of buses on the routes... which it sounds like is already happening before they have even bought all the buses they wanted
@@gottagowork hmmm a warmer planet... means less deaths from the weather.. crops can be grown in northern climates which has the most land... Cheaper food.. lower energy cost year round... less fertilizer being needed to grow crops... less disease.. longer healthier lives. As for your theory of the gulfstream collapsing... Current scientific conscience state that Ice ages cause it not global warming periods.
By then folk will not need to travel, simply wait for the Government food rations to be delivered by solar drone.@@rodshoaf
You should really do a public debate with hard core EV fans like the Electric Viking, also from Australia.
lol that would be hilarious. MGUYs lies Would last 30 seconds in a debate because he’s only ever giving you negative aspects of the actual truth. It’s called cherry picking detail. Taking information out of context. There are positives and negatives to everything. Life would be awful if we didn’t take the good with the bad like MGUY and with evs the good is so overwhelmingly more than the bad that you’d be a moron not to see it.
@@tigertoo01 I don't doubt that you are correct. But the Electric Viking also does the same thing. I don't watch him because of his incorrect analysis of whats happening sometimes. He embellishes too much.
@@billy-go9kx yes most likely correct although he’s gained some respect within the community. I also found electric Viking a bit difficult to listen to mostly because of his presentation style so I haven’t listened for some time. I think the real difference is that MGUY is out to do harm. To mislead . To massage his ego and feed off negative energy which is bad for everyone. He could be a lot more balanced and still have a good audience. There are a lot of people who simply don’t understand why we would ever bother switching to renewables or choose to be ignorant on the subject and this is his audience.
@@tigertoo01No, his audience is the group who are tired of paying for other people's hair brained schemes and stupid fuckups .
Difficult to have a debate with a hard-core idealist. They start with a big list of wonderful stuff and when you discount those things one by one with logic they usually end getting emotional and chanting and yelling you down.
In NYC our all electric buses have the tendency to break down in the cold or extreme driving conditions of heavy traffic and constant stop and go action. I've seen more of these buses end up needing a tow or are in the shop more than the CNG hybrids despite being much younger.
The town I live in purchased an EV bus that uses propane to heat the batteries and the cab of the bus. How utterly stupid is that? Not only that, it doesn't work in the cold. And rather than abandon the EV craze, the city assembly doubled down and purchased five more.
It’s almost like the politicians forgot local climates exist when they make climate policy 😂
ironically the electric busses need global warming to work properly...
@@jnb756 funny enough, the city of Vancouver had functioning electric busses decades ago that worked very well in a climate similar to Norway. They used overhead wires to provide power, and only had small batteries to allow them to get back to the lines if they missed the wires for some reason... they worked very well day and night, only having reliability issues related to lines breaking due to things like ice.(this was rare) I'm still confused as to why all battery busses was even considered as a viable option anywhere.
@@SAJR1986 Electric busses need less maintenance compared to overhead wire systems because there are no electric wires.
@@gerbre1 That completely depends on the context. In terms of expecting a bus to work from 5am to 2am on a bus route, batteries are terrible. But if you intend to drive to the grocery store and then back home once per week, they're great. If having the bus parked in the shop more than half the day to charge and needing 5x more of them fits with your operations, they're perfect.
@@SAJR1986 If you can charge the bus within 2 hours with CCS the bus can operate for 21 hours, no problem. The question is can it run so long or does it need two charges a day. Driving to the grocery store once per week was already possible 100 years ago. The Egger-Lohner Porsche from 1898 had a range of 80km. In the 1920s the garbage collection trucks in Hamburg, Germany were fully electric. Technology has evolved since then.
In 1886, Montgomery, Alabama became the first city in the world to go all electric with mass transportation. Electric streetcars were installed, and used successfully for 50 years. The electric trolleys were replaced by diesel buses in 1936 because they were more flexible for scheduling and routes. I loved riding the electric streetcars in New Orleans.
Indiana had the interurban in the late 1800s that was electric. it went away in the WW2 years.
when i was a kid in Sydney in the 70's, we'd have 42C summer days practically every day! it was so hot your shoes would stick to the bitumen! and at 5pm a thunderstorm would roll in (you could set your clock by it) and cool everything down for the night
Same in SA,this global warming shite is for the gullible fools who believe MSM.
Didn't you hate it when you're thong stuck to the bitumen and you ripped the plug out of the sole.
Mum, I need a new pair of thongs/flip-flops.😅
@@TradArcherDownunder
oh puhleeeeze - flip flops? don't we have enough Americanisation already?
@andyman8630 That's so other than Aussies would understand Andy. I nearly went into single or double plugger's, but that might have confused people. Thongs always mate 👍
@@TradArcherDownunder
fair call! and you're forgiven lol
Electric buses are not problematic as long as they are used in the right conditions. I'm an electric bus driver myself and they are good to drive in a moderate climate. I drive them on short loop services, the charging station is close by, they are not over loaded and not driven at high speeds for a long time. The enhanced acceleration is a major advantage for getting through roundabouts and merging onto the highway. One of the problems they do have is sustained wet weather when the moist air gets into the electric infrastructure. They are however twice as expensive as ICE buses in purchase and maintenance.
So in other words.. you pay twice as much.. and get less... which cost the bus company revenue.. which means they have to cut back on something else to run their green dream.
The whole world doesnt have a moderate climate...
@@jamesgullo8240 You made 1/2 a statement. What's your point?
@@rodshoaf My point is they work in moderate climates. The whole world isnt the Florida Panhandle.
@@jamesgullo8240 So only buy EVs in which the temps never go below freezing and never go above 85... cuts out the vast majority of the world.. oh and in a place where it's also not humid.. and where there is an abundance of really cheap electric power. So in other words EVs make sense only in places like magical fairy land.
When i tried my programable thermostat in my house, when the house was cooled the heat stayed on an extra long time to warm up. When to hot the air conditioner stayed on a long time also to catch up. If left at a normal maintained temp at all times less energy was actually used.
I take it you will be attending the everything electric show in Sydney (Feb.24). Going to be interesting to see if any protest groups turn up and show their support? 😂
Actually heard the same in Finland. Heating of driver/passenger cabin is insufficient in -10 °C (first time I heard about such issue) and those were cancelled for certain longer routes (range anxiety?). There is actually a London based RUclipsr bus driver (That Bos Driver Guy), who had jacket on when thermostat was set to +25 °C and reported temp +27 °C in passenger side. He said that this was comfortably warm (winter jacket on).
"Alaska’s first electric-powered school bus is performing well - even at 40 below"
Google it and be informed.
If you build it correctly...it will work correctly.
When we where young (over 70years ago)we had electric bus systems here in Yorkshire but our very intelligent leaders got rid of them,surprise surprise they now want them back,they certainly know how to waste money🏴🤪
Politicians all over the world certainly know how to waste taxpayers' money!
I live in Central Canada. Worked with a guy last year that had transferred from Vancouver, and drove a Nissan Leaf. In January, when it was -35 C. He could get the 40 km to work, charge all day, and get the 40 km home. IF he did not run the heater in the vehicle.
I have super 8 movie of in-laws from UK visiting us in Sydney in 1976....temp 110F. I was in Pilliga in December 1966 temp 118F. Love Aussie summers.
And they are still marching to the top of the hill after Cop 28
Brisbane's new Electric Buses on our Bus way are coming soon I think 59 of them a huge project all fast charge incredible.
59 busses a huge project aha. Some china cities operate more than 10.000 electric busses, Shenzhen has 16.000.
In the UK- from the Daily Telegraph: A Green Party-led council has said it can't empty overflowing dog waste bins near a beauty spot because its new fleet of electric vehicles cannot be used off-road and binmen might injure themselves if they lift the bins by hand...According to an email to residents from a council employee, the contents would also have been too heavy for bin men to carry back to the road without risking “musculo-skeletal injuries”.
Our local council in Oxfordshire (Lib-Dem) came up with a different solution after investing in EV's...they simply removed the majority of dog waste bins...
That old saying comes to mind. Stupid is what stupid does. My city bought 3 EV busses and was conducting a study on reliability. We have one bus left one burned up while being serviced the other burned up while in service. Future bus purchases are temporarily on hold.
Same thing has happen in Calgary Alberta. Winter bus get 1/2 Range that does in summer.. plus they are breaking down and the company who makes them is going bankrupt...
33,000,000,000 litres of fuel are used annually in Australia. This represents an absolutely staggering amount of energy. Even is EVs reduce the energy used by 50% this will be a massive extra demand on the electricity grid. Home solar will not come close to reduce grid load.
@@mechanic2121 No problem right now but a huge problem when millions of EVs are home charging simultaneously for several hours.
Power companies will simply use pricing to drive down the use of power .
Thanks for that , makes me see that the whole of mankind hasn’t gone mad , that’s you , me and your subscribers.
But we will only be safe when this guy's subscriptions reaches 8 billion. They are just to many stupid, easily brainwashed people about, that believe in climate change and what every the current government agenda is.
In the Netherlands the Minister of Energy and Climate was celebrating, because the usage of gas power for heating was reduced drastically in 2022. The only reason was that the gas prices were putting people in debt if they heated their house. There were people who didn't use the heater at all, resulting in 10-12 °C in their home.
When it was super cold 🥶 last week I noticed the lack of Amazon electric delivery vehicles on the road & a ton of either white Ford transit vans & rental Enterprise vans being used for deliveries ,I live next to both of the Amazon distribution centers in New York
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