You're 100% right MGUY. I work as a sales adviser in a tire store and I can tell you first hand that EV owners are not happy they're only getting 16k miles out of a set of $2,000 tires and I'm the poor bastard who has to face their wrath every day. To make matters worse, Tesla tires can't be repaired. They have a thick foam lining around the inside that if disturbed tends come unglued and fly apart at high speed. That makes repairing them a liability and no tire shop that wants to stay out of court will touch them.
My tires are $600 and go 50k miles and I have a very fast Model 3, weighs the same as an Audi, BMW or Mercedes and sometimes less than comparable models
They effectively already pay more in that the fuel they use is taxed, the more fuel they use the more tax they pay, same for any ICE vehicle, at this time what tax do EV vehicles pay to use the road........... none, so if you are well off you are bludging off those less able to shell out for a over priced, over rated bit of virtue signalling.
These guys are driving luxury vehicles and being told theyre saving the world. They have no common sense. All that extra torque and weight is sacrificing their tires. Now theyre surprised they need to change the tires more often.
Yes mate if you see my comment as I have said all along apart from all of the obvious issues with these obscenities the tyres are far more polluting than the "normal" tyres we put on our ICE vehicles.
You change your oil every 5000-7000 miles in an ice car. Tyres on a Tesla need to be changed every 30,000-50,000 miles based on normal usage. Which is a fraction higher than an ICE car. There is a reason why this guy wasn’t actually quoting numbers. Because it’s just nonesense.
@iscadean3607 So you are saying BEV owners shouldn't pay road tax because the government doesn't spend the money properly? You ever try to extrapolate that notion and see where it ends?
Almost all road damage is by heavy vehicles, trucks etc. THey just charge you road user charges because they are greedy and you are a slave that will agree to pay it.
Yes mate he already has if you go through his videos and as I follow every video he puts out there are some good examples of fires in these wretched vehicles and I might add - have a look at the fires in EV buses especially the one in Paris France it is truly frightening!!.
@iscadean3607 absolutely worse tha combustion engines. One tiny lithium cell in an ev battery bank that holds thousands will create 6 liters of toxic gas as it burns. Look it up.
@iscadean3607 EV fires contain all the horrible nasty pollution of an ICE vehicle fire...PLUS...the toxic explosive gasses and fumes from the burning Li battery. So, they are WORSE when they are on fire. I am a firefighter. During our mobile property firefighting course we were warned about the rubber door seals, that when the burn give off such a toxic substance that it can penetrate your skin and right into your body, and the only way to stop the progression of the toxin is amputation. That's just one thing on every vehicle, before you get into the crap that is in the smoke from upholstery, plastics, tyres etc.
The batteries require one hundred times the energy to mind, refine and manufacture, than an ICE vehicle. The battery is spent before the energy debt is repayed.
Since road wear was mentioned, most roads and parking lots are made of asphalt. The key ingredient of asphalt is bitumen. Bitumen is a petroleum product, a fossil fuel if you will. So, EVs are wearing out roads and parking lots faster, thus more bitumen will be needed. Not exactly leading to Net Zero.
And where does bitumen come from? Oil waste, that's why it is used on roads, because it has to be put somewhere. When oil use goes down, the waste will also and we will use cement.
EV tyre wear is higher not just because of weight but because the tyres use tyres specifically for their low rolling resistance. To get low rolling resistance AND keep braking distances reasonable (and safe) the compounds used have to be softer for the grip but that also results in much higher wear rates. The low resistance tyres are also sold at a premium.
Yes Scoots mate and if you happen top read my comment (a rant I am afraid) tyre wear for one of these obscenities is far and away more polluting than tyre for the ICE vehicles that we drive now and surely offsets the claimed advantages of EV'.
That is total nonsense. The Michelin energysaver tyre had a hard compound. Great for range but dangerous in the wet. Newer versions do have a softer compound though.
And it's actually better for the environment to drive an older used ICE vehicle. I don't think EVs make up for their production pollution for 10 - 14 years, if that. They still used lots of intensely refined and mined minerals, they don't grow organically on trees, as some would have us believe.
Yes they do, and good luck gettting the EV fanatics to admit the short comings of their purchases. One lady in California laid out her annual recurring costs created by her Model Y iirc, and it was right at $4,000.
EVs are less a topic of conversation and much more of a cult following. Never cared for cults. Their starting point is to prevent people from thinking rationally.
@iscadean3607 yeah they don’t care about stuff like this though. Because it’s objective facts that ruin their argument. They only care about the one shady example they can find that suggests otherwise.
Yes DC and if you see my comment as I have stated for a very long time now apart from all of the issues that these obscenities pose - tyre wear is is far more polluting than our ICE vehicle tyres and also cost far more than we pay for our ICE vehicle tyres.
You say they are a ‘colossal failure’… you are aware that they are recording record year on year growth, breaking sales records, giving us the most popular car in Europe and winning awards and accolades pretty much as fast as they can give them our right…? The only place they are a failure is in the heads of people who don’t like them.
@@TeaBreak. ‘I have found this story as reported on a website that I have never heard that talks about an EV doing something bad. They must all be bad. I must tell everyone’ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
... or coolant. People don't realize that EV batteries require a large amount of highly toxic and expensive coolant flowing through them so they don't burst into flames. This coolant needs to be changed out every 30 to 50k miles. But they are SO good for the environment. 😒
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712it’s exactly the same coolant used in ice cars. It also should have a longer life expectancy due to lower temperatures it endures and reduced chance of electrolysis.
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 Tesla's don't require a battery coolant change for the life of the car, what EVs are you taking about here that require a battery coolant charge every 30-40k KMs.
I'm not a fan of EVs, but that statement could actually apply to a lot of other vehicles... while I don't support EVs, I do very much support a person's right to freedom of choice of what vehicle they want to drive... just so long as they don't park it close to my house...
Don't worry, Leon is working on the solution as we speak, the number of videos on YT alone crediting him with everything from the invention of axial flux motors to the wheel give me hope. 😂
Well Dave you have hit on a sore point with me because where I live the roads are already in a shocking state of disrepair and frankly the thought that an EV travelling over our roads conjures up in my mind how easy it would be to "bottom out" one of these obscenities and presumably damage that precious battery.
@@xraylife when you say they have ‘ultimately failed’, you we are aware that the biggest selling car in 2023 in Europe was an Ev right? And they have had a strong start to 2024.
OK, I have to admit that I can't help but laugh out loud when I pass by an EV charging station and see those people sitting in or standing around their cars waiting for them to charge up. 😂
@@rolieg81 Yeah, those public chargers at 0.8 USD / KwH, and seeing a Tesla using almost 3KwH / 10km in the winter.. that is $2.4 / 10km.... My ice car cost me $0.8 / 10 km.
The 95% of EV users who don’t need to use public chargers laugh out loud when they see you paying 3x as much as them wasting 10 minutes of your day going to a petrol station 👍🏻👍🏻
@@Audioremedy0785 You are delusional. The skyrocketing insurance costs for EV's wipes out any fuel savings. And then having to buy new and ridiculously expensive tires every 7 to 10 thousand miles for EV's puts EV owners in the red as far as operating costs are concerned. Try harder. I've got more for you.
I left a comment on another channel that was "I will never own an EV.", a person commented back to me calling me an "elitist" saying that if I could afford to put gas in my car I must be rich, they then said they would be sticking with their Tesla. I told them that I live on a fixed income and could never afford a Tesla.
People seem to forget the cost, for some reason. My wife and I don't drive much. We're not poor by any stretch. But just having the sort of money that buys an EV in the bank earning interest more than pays for our petrol and diesel each year. Why would we change horses when we're on a track like that?
That is exactly what I was thinking. And even with DEF systems they seem to break down the particulates into smaller, more easily airborne size which means they would be suspended in the air longer and be able to travel farther. It seems, every time the EPA tries to solve a problem, they create larger and more multitude problems. I am curious to see the EPA's solution to this one they created.
Simon, i've had petrol, diesel and LPG run cars but my EV beats them all and would never go back to ICE, as for this idiot going on about tyres my Merc CLK AMG spec rear tyres cost me £500 each corner and had to be replaced every 8000 miles. If you and this fool don't like EV don't buy one.
@@chrissmith2114then he and his fanboyz won't be bothered about anyone who has already bought one? Because they have ignored his warnings. Oh, wait a minute!
Did my 'homework' 5 years ago, test drove a lot of cars, chose an EV. Best thing I ever did. Apart from saving me over €8,000 on fuel and servicing so far it's just a better car to drive.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 His point is that if ever EV go mainstream there will be a hell of a lot more tyres coming off EV than there ever were off ICE vehicles.
@@chrissmith2114 He is indeed making a point and his raison d'être is to dig up anything negative about EVs and make an issue of it. My experience after 5 years ownership of an EV is that there is little if any difference in tyre wear. Coincidentally I have recently posted a video on this subject if you want to hear about some real world experience as opposed to listening to the opinion of non-EV drivers ruclips.net/video/bbI42COnvg4/видео.html However, I have looked at independent reports which suggests that tyre wear on EV can be as much as 20% more than on an ICE car...so we're talking about worst case scenario's here. Bearing in mind that brakes and pads on an EV last typically 4 times longer than those on an ICE. So, if an owner does spend a little more on tyres that will be offset in spades by the much bigger saving in parts and labour changing discs and pads.
@@chrissmith2114 Oh, and btw, the 'if EVs ever go mainstream' comment is risible, petrol-heads living in fantasy land and ignoring the sales trends. EVs are already 'mainstream' in many markets where sales are 20% of new cars and rising fast. The world's biggest car market is now at 48% EV adoption and where China goes, the global industry will follow.
You also need to look at Lithium mining in the Pilbara WA. The demand for lithium batteries for EVs (and others) is ripping up the country. People can't claim to be helping the planet while indirectly supporting massive mining impacts on the land.
@@1Electricman in case you haven’t noticed governments claim that they are going to eliminate fossil fuels If petroleum is banned where will tires come from ? Bafflegab.
@calmdown1973 The steel industry has found a solution to used tires. They chip them and use in the furnaces, using less coal or electricity. They use filter systems to eliminate toxic fumes from burning tires. The future will definitely need oil out of the ground. Just not the millions of barrels per day the world currently uses. But battery technology will need to improve majorly, before I think about an EV.
As per local media reports, the lower four decks of the cargo ship (out of a total of 12) are relatively undamaged, and it’s here where the battery-powered vehicles were located.
@@steveinoz8188 So you didn't see the picture of the burned up Taycan ? The Freemont Highway had had vehicles fires before with ICE vehicles. They control the access of air to the holds and just shut off air until the fire goes out for lack of oxygen, works every time with ICE vehicles. That didn't work this time. Also, they pulled a Mercedes BEV out and dropped it into a container of water on the dock because it was about to go off 2 weeks after the fire started. It did still go off, under water.
As you report - its not about keeping cars - its about removing them altogether . The greens have an absolute hatred for cars ( and motor bikes too , thats becoming an issue ). EVs will ,in the end, bankrupt car companies but thats to the good, Oh thinking of having a latte whilst your EV charges? - coffee is in their cross hairs too! Soon it will be the same as the 1920's except the call will not be "useless eaters " but " useless breathers" , remember a human emits about a 1/2 cars worth of CO2 per year , you have been warned.
"How dare you" expose the truth. I am not against EV's, I prefer Hybred's, in any event we have to look at total "COST's", not feeling and virtue signalling.
Why do you like hybrids? Why not have one small, light EV for city/suburban driving and one bigger petrol/diesel car for trips that are not appropriate for the EV? You and your wife could decide who drives which car each day depending on the journeys that need to be made.
EV tires at least for the most popular BEVs are more costly for two reasons; first they need a special soft composition so they can handle the high torque. These cost more money. Secondly because they are soft; they wear out faster; plus the cars weight 20-25% more and the drivers like to drive their cars harder. One owner told me he had to replace a set after 3 months of sporty use costing $2000 USD.
I would expect they have a harder compound to reduce rolling resistance. They also run high tyre pressures (M3 around 46psi), have stronger sidewalls and because EVs are so quiet, sound insulation. As EVs become more mainstream they will no doubt come down in price, at the moment they are a specialised tyre sold in smaller volumes. I don't believe they would last less than an equivalent high ends sporty tyre or be much different in cost.
It's crazy that with how sensitive an EV's range is to external variables, that every single Tesla I've seen in the past 200,000 miles driving on the interstate is driving 80-90 mph.
@@randgrithr7387 are you driving one? what sort of range are you gettingif you are at 80-90 mph, what part of the country? Its useful to gather info from all over
@@litestuffllc7249 I drive everywhere East of i-35 at a governed speed of 65mph, usually in the far right lane to let faster traffic pass. I do not recall ever passing a Tesla driving slow by choice.
The other problem our government is not talking about in the push for “clean energy” is…what do you do with old EV batteries? The batteries are not easily recyclable and dumping them in a landfill will cause unimaginable pollution and contamination to the water table. I live on an island with lots of rich driving Teslas… where will their used batteries go? If they stay on the island it may result in permanently contaminating the water supply. 😩😵💫
Oh they'll stay on island. Just ask people in Hawaii. No shipping agent wants to take on risk of shipping old/defective lithium batteries. The risks for catastrophe are too high 😂
@iscadean3607 and how many people are set up for that 🤣. Putting solar panels up, OMG. Cause yes those are "carbon neutral" what with the chemicals used to make them. Even NASA who has some of best solar technology in the world admits the inefficiency of it. And they are at vastly higher energy transmission efficiency than anything you'll ever get for your house. If you could even afford them.
@iscadean3607 I'm looking forward to seeing recyclers pulling the cells out of the Cyber Truck batteries. That'll be interesting to see. And sodium is not going to replace lithium for transport applications. What it might do, however, is free up lithium resources currently being used in stationary applications.
@iscadean3607 huh? Who is being lied to? I’m not the one buying into a government scheme that requires tax payer funded subsidies to trick people into buying a product that can’t live up to its promises. I live in the U.S., the cars that wouldn’t take a charge and were being towed all over the place was real. I saw that with my own eyes. My brother actually wasted his money on one of these scam vehicles. He wasted tens of thousands of dollars on solar panels and wall unit that the electric company still hasn’t hooked up to the grid. It’s been two years. His electric bill has tripled. He’s paying way more for insurance. He cannot take the car on trips. And now, he can’t even sell it, because no one wants to buy it. I guess insulting strangers is your coping mechanism, though I doubt it’s healthy. Good luck.
I recall standing on a hill where vehicles obviously coast along as no power us required. Well you should have heard the road noise of something like a model X or Y. Lots of weight and torque. Things tyres love. Another hidden environmental impact of EVs. Plus turning the roads to dust. More potholes.
Yes Jessica and where I live in rural NSW Australia the roads are already in a dreadful state of disrepair and EV's are simply going to make them even worse - if that is possible!! Plus I am also guessing that at some time one of these obscenities will "ground out" on our roads and damage their precious battery - not a pleasant outcome you might agree.
You know I have to laugh... few weeks ago we had a cold snap and ice store in my area and I saw quite a few disabled / abandoned evs on the side of the road... and my 40year old ~400kmile diesel wagon with studded rears was chudding along just fine... can't help but to think we have gone backwards - substantially.
Only 4% of the electric cars that received roadside assistance in 2023 in Norway had an empty main battery. Fossil cars needed roadside assistance almost twice as often.
@@jrgenaksnes2676 although a vast majority of new cars sold in Norway are now EV, they are still 1in4 of the total population. Thus, this combined with your stat would suggest EVs still see more roadside service by percentage. But who knows... curious to see how the next few years play out for them.
and those are cars were 20 yrs old and ill maintained no doubt (or german garbage). EVs won't make it to 10 lolololololololololololololololololololoololololololololol
After a bit more research I've learnt that recommended EV tyres come with greater side wall support/thickness, therefore making replacement tyre costs far greater than ICE vehicles
There was a case in the UK of an EV that went rogue. Its driver could not stop it ( no brakes) and could not turn it off (off switch had no effect). It had to be stopped safely by being lined up with a moving police van, and then slowly rear ended into the van to slow down and bring it to a stop, although the car was still trying to drive forward. The other overlooked problem with EV cars is their mass disadvantage in accidents. They are going to inflict more damage on conventional vehicles which have much less mass in impacts.
I’m not entirely sure you read the article. You are implying that the car was refusing to do as it was told - ironically, the mechanical element of the brakes of the car failed. The fact that it’s an EV was irrelevant. It happens all the time in ice vehicles.
@@TheZodiacz because the brake is the off switch. The reality is though that people look for one-in-a-million instances and dress them up like this realistic issues that people face just because they don’t like EVs. If you read the story he clearly says that it was a mechanical problem with the brake pads. Maybe read all the safety studies that talk about how EVs are much safer than lce cars 👍🏻👍🏻
My friend had his car written off by a driverless runaway Daf in the early 80’s. It’s amazing that a company that was making EVs that long ago hasn’t survived.
@@Audioremedy0785 I followed this. The vehicle was self driving when it wasn't even supposed to be capable of it. The brakes didn't mechanically fail, they weren't capable of overcoming the high torque electric motor.
The more I learn about EVs the more I get mad at those who either already have bought an EV and / or those who are considering the purchase of one. There is NO real reason to own a EV!
The more I learn about people who hate EVs, the more I wonder why you want to regulate what people should buy or not. I do not own an EV but I see why people might want one, but I do not get a mindset why to get angry at people who buy EVs?
I knew all about tyre wear due to torque. I had a BMW e39 M5 for 20 years. When I 1st got it I was shocked to find that the back tyres would wear down to the steel belt in10 000km. I always avoided wheel spin and rarely took it over 3000 rpm. After the 3rd set of tyres I learned to drive it like a granny, nut the still only lasted about 30 000 km but of course I found that frustrating , so I ended up using my old Porsche 911 as the daily driver.
Yes Greg I am sure that sooner or later our brain dead politicians might wake up to the many issues with these obscenities and realise that they are going to have to pay for the damage to roads, the pollution that they produce, and also lose the overly priced excise we pay for our fuel as it is.
I think you had something seriously amiss with your E39's rear wheels / tyres. I might take an assumption that it was a manual and another that you may have driven it harshly?
I know someone who works in a tire shop and he showed me pictures of how often these tires need to be replaced and it's astounding. Some of them in about as soon as 17 - 20,000 miles.
@steveinoz8188 Not true. I get 40k miles on the tires for my Hyundai Accent, which is a light economy car. I don't speed, I coast to a stop when possible, and I accelerate slowly. EVs are just too heavy for tires to last that long.
Like most tyres, the more you spend the better the tyres are. You can also buy super expensive tyres for ICE vehicles eg Pilot Sport 4. I get 120,000 km out of my 4wd tyres.@@jeffw1267
@@jeffw1267 EV’s are typically only about 10% heavier than an equivalent EV. The fossil fuel shills talk as if they are twice the weight! So many of the arguments are just demonstrable lies.
@@jeffw1267 You get much longer tire life on your accent if you install wider tires. It improves the small/light car ride also for negligible cost. I bought 3 Accents last year for family and I might buy one more. Or an Elantra.
Another consequence of the use of electric vehicles is the accelerated wear and tear of roads, which leads to more frequent repairs and an increase in the use of building materials for their construction and repair (and hence, increased construction and repair costs)
@iscadean3607 I used to drive 44 ton trucks, NOW I own a Mini Cooper Electric, (1,775 kg) oh, and its ONLY 8% heavier than a Mini Cooper ICE (1,650 kg), SOME ICE drivers, "swear blind that EVs weigh twice the weight of a similar ICE, lol, lol and MORE lol"
In the states the biggest fallacy is the cost of ownership which includes tires, but the highest cost is monthly insurance cost 2 to 3 times an ICE eating up more than all the cost savings from charging, along with sky rocketing energy costs up more than 40 percent since green policies have been favoring renewables...
Thanks for this channel, Canada is melting down cause of the EV policies being pushed through.. Impossible to get a reliable vehicle at reasonable price on the after market now.. dealerships barely have anything used... it's lease one of the now inflated new cars or walk here in the Canadian prairie
Thankfully i'm in Alberta where i can still drive my 30 year old Diesel dodge truck. As a mechanic of 39 years i do all my own work.this affords cheep maintenance. Because i don't mind driving older vehicles mechanics has made Driving affordable I've had the truck 12 years, bought for $900, New trans $3600, transfer case $1500. drive axles brgs an u joint, $500. Full fuel system replacement$1800, tires second set $1600, misc, $1000. So in 12 years of driving my truck has cost me $10900. Yes i have a mechanical addvantage. My point is in that time most people will be on there 4th vehicle.so when you consider the enviormental ipact of manufactoring 4 vehicles as apposed to repairing 1 vehicle. it makes more sense to me to keep driving the old truck, which by the way is in way better shape than most vehicles on the road that are half the age. In my opinion what needs to happen is less complicated vehicle need to be made so people can do alot of the repair work themselves with minimal training. Of course that doesnt help the economy does it. It makes me sick to think about how fragile new cars are made, and how short there useable span is. When you do the small stuff like fluid changes and keeping it clean you'd be surprised at how far a vehicle will go even the moern crap. So hear i am driving an old diesel that everybody frowns at with a smaller enviromentel foot print.
And new tyres on EVs have only 6mm of tread instead of the usual 8mm. To help handle the "excess torque" when moving off from a standstill allegedly. And only about 2 firms make them, so competition on price is out of the window
Excellent as always, glad you included brake pads as 8,000 miles from front pads on a Genesis EV seems to be the norm. What is more concerning might be the shearing of the friction material, not away from the metal backing plate but through the friction material itself, just as if heat had discovered a micro crack in the structure that it was able to exploit. This caused chunks of the pad to break off resulting in the owner reporting poor brake efficiency and what looked to be a 50% reduction in contact area. This was found to be front and rear brake pads in the Genesis case ruling out shearing from failure to release the handbrake as was initially suggested.
@@steveinoz8188 JEEZE, that "dude" going on about EV brake wear, probably thinks, yer use the Flintstones method to slow ALL vehicles down, NO that method only applies to ICE vehicles, LOL, the ONLY reason I use the brake pedal of my Mini Cooper Electric, about ONCE per week is, "to stop the brake discs getting rusty" and "NOT to stop the car" LOL.
Really annoying that I. C. E vehicles are continually refferd to as "gas guzzlers" It's just another mind game to try and make evs appear to be the good clean cars they really are not.
The sad thing is they never looked at alternative fuels for ice vehicles. Toyota is working on an ammonia fueled car which has up to 90% less emissions than gasoline. The alternatives are there. They just have tunnel vision.
I have a collegea with a model S and he changes tires 4 times every time I change 1 time onmy old diesel. This monster heavy truck with all that torque just wear out the tires in record time. This should definitely go into the calculation of the life cycle for a sustainable car.
Well I wonder when the people who push these EV obscenities will wake up to the many issues with EV's and stop the madness that our brain dead politicians keep shoving down our throats!! I suspect there is more behind this push than meets the eye if you follow my drift??
A while back the manufacturers were saying that EVs needed special tyres because they were so quiet, people noticed the noise of the tyres. Probably cover for the need to redesign tyres to cope with the weight and stress on tyres on EVs.
Agree, as tires are not made from rubber now but plastic , car tires generate one of the main sources of micro plastic contamination. Ground up plastic thats gets blown about oe washed down draines into water cources and then into the Sea. 😢
Thank goodness that we have crude oil or we wouldn't be able to produce tyres for these vehicles, we'd have to use rubber. I wonder how long they'd last!!!
According to Michelin, and they'd know, 60% of rubber used in the tire industry is synthetic rubber, produced from petroleum-derived hydrocarbons.. Tell that to "Just Stop Oil", and watch their heads explode 🤣🤣
The push for electrification will ultimately prove to be a ruse for mass transit. The point was made in 1970 by proponents, when the US EPA was established, the goal wasn't to "clean up the cars" but to get the mass out of their cars and into mass transit. This has been repeated over and over as green edicts have been made, especially since the establishment of emission credits and compliance credits, and since the US EPA exploited its unconstitutional "authority" to make new laws and classified CO2 as a "pollutant". We're all being abused.
I am for choice when purchasing a vehicle here in the States ,and my choice if for a ICE car ! Also I have read articles about how unreliable EV buses have been due to a number of factors ; including frequency of maintenance and lack of parts !
@@Tom-dt4ic Oil companies pay for the clean up of their oil spills. Wheres your ptoof that ICE causes lung cancer and rising sea levels. EVs cause more noise pollution. Have you heard the tyre noise as an EV drives past?
@@Tom-dt4icwe burn massive amounts of fossil fuel wining the lithium ect for battery cars. We burn fossil fuel charging battery cars in Australia 75% So you got a point?
@@0Aus What you're saying is that the grid is not fully renuable yet. But it's getting better week after week. This is because building renuable solar and wind farms is now cheaper than building new fossil fuel power generating plants. And the replacement of old fossil fuel plants with renuables is happing everywhere. And in every case it's because a power company can save money by doing so.
A report by the European Environment Agency (EEA) highlights that emissions from battery electric vehicle (BEV) production are generally higher than those created by building an internal combustion-engined (ICE) vehicle. One study suggests that CO2 emissions from electric car production are 59% higher than those for the production of ICE vehicles.2 The greater emissions largely come from the battery manufacturing process.
Yes the production. Now factor in the emissions from the lifetime of the vehicles, even taking into account the emissions from either the electricity produced, or the oil refinement and transportation for ICE vehicles. Oil shipping containers are the most polluting vehicles on the planet. A large shipping container produces as much emissions as 50 million cars. There are over 200 of this class of ship in the world and another 8700 smaller ones. About 50% of all crude oil produced is used for gasoline vehicle fuel. That's emission equivalent to billions of ICE vehicles from the transportation of oil alone. This channel and it's audience are a joke.
The road wear issue will be a huge issue as more EVs enter our road networks, they create additional weight and could increase road surface wear. And what about bridges and roads that have weight restrictions imposed upon them. The day will come when two or more heavy Tesla Model X's cross over a weight restricted bridge of 7.5 tonnes and they inadvertently exceed its limits. Ignoring the signs thinking it only applies to heavy goods vehicles. Another great video, thanks
@iscadean3607 I mean in relation to their size, SUVs and trucks are obviously heavier. But even the smallest Tesla Model 3 is heavier than its equivalent sized car.
@@jeffw1267 I hear you, but any negative activity in economy as drastic real world effect. The over supply of EVs and less potential customers will be the undoing of the whole EV push. The EV house of cards will fall in on itself. And hopefully the economies negative movements should leave those vulnerable alone. The very people that can see the issues with EV ownership with clear vision.
@AndrewTSq it was. Her 1st car was a 96 Monte Carlo at 16. After 5yrs of not a single ticket and paying her own upkeep, ins and gas, the Camaro was her 21st bday gift. 5yrs on and still not a single ticket.
And don't forget all the extra CO2 produced in collecting, mining and shipping the rubber, steel and brake pad materials that goes into producing the tires, brake rotors and brake pads. But those emissions don't count because they don't come out of the EV's tailpipe.
Definately another subject topic to cover... The increased wear and tear on roads due to heavier and more high performance driving by EVs... They should pay more, and creating more road works hold up or more poor road conditions...
Excellent topic, literally something that no one has talked about what so ever!! Being in the motorcycle business I had to explain this constantly why motorcycle tire didn't last as long car tires, now we have cars that wear out tires faster than motorcycles from just normal use.
They are stronger tires though, due to the additional forces they must bear. They may still not be worth double, but they are worth more than standard tires.
I've changed my EV front tyres twice in 50,000 miles and the rears once. The high load tyres on EV's are typically a harder compound that wears less because they want to achieve low rolling resistance. Sure if you put softer performance tyres on a 4 wheel drive EV and launch it all the time it'll get expensive. But my experience is my tyres are lasting longer.
Very good video! I have a nissan leaf, i get good use out of my tires and breaks, but most of my driving is 40 MPH or slower on local roads. Another problem with EVs is the amount of battery used to heat the car in winter.
Here in Florida, cement kilns are fueled partly by used tires, because they are mostly useless and made partly of a plant product. But we’ve got plenty of them already…
Funny, I drive my Tesla Model Y performance pretty aggressively but my tires are doing great. I’ve got 27k miles on it, it’s winter, I’m in Detroit Michigan and the tires are still doing great. And trust me, while I may not drive like Max Verstappen every second I’m behind the wheel, I’m more likely to be leading than following in traffic. And I love to feel the acceleration when the opportunity presents itself. I don’t know about you but 30k miles seems pretty reasonable for a set of tires…. Maybe you’re referring to one of those other evs, you know the sketchy ones that don’t say Tesla on them…..If it’s not a Tesla and it’s electric, you probably shouldn’t buy….
I got 85k km on the original set of Dunlop tyres on my Ford Ranger ute. i regularly get 8.5 litres per 100km diesel fuel consumption on long trips and that is with a full load on the back. I have good towing and load capacity so why would i get an EV to replace that. That is why us kiwis love these utes. they are a good all rounder useful and practical vehicle for multiple uses. And if you go off road to remote places as we like to do here we just put in some jerry cans of diesel. Nowhere to plug in a battery charger when out in the sticks.
uh. i chew through tires at that pace on my regular cars 😅 not because i do burnouts, it's because i do "spirited cornering". even my 1.4 liter ecobox had terrible tire longevity.
@@davidclemens1578 They came with the car (Kona). Afterwards bought a set of 1 year olds for £100. Got 40k out of the front and rear are still on car after 45k. With at least 4 mil tread. Should last till June when I hand car back half way through finance. Grippy, quiet and economical. Fave tyre tbh. Not high performance. Just a bog standard 17" tyre. The originals had 2 to 3 mil left. New they are about £115 each.
I understand that brake wear on EVs is minimal because of regenerative braking thus brake wear adds very little in the way of pollution. The rest of what you say is fact and I agree with you. Thanks.
It’s definitely not being made up, the high levels of instant torque, higher weight, and shallower tread depths of EV specific tires (for better rolling resistance and noise levels) are going to reduce avg. tire life. But as with anyone’s tire wear it’s going to be highly variable based on specific tires used and driving behaviors. Please ask your friends for specifics.
@@michaelketley1252 No, but is based on personal experience with HD diesel pickup trucks that have highly accelerated wear on the rear tires that are transferring the high torque levels their engines produce. It’s just physics. My daughter has a friend who’s parents bought a Tesla 3 over a year ago that I plan on asking about the real world impacts of tire wear and related operating costs over an extended period. I’m genuinely curious and want specifics.
@@nathanexplosion5478 Hi Nathan, thank you for your reply. I’ve just checked the rear driving tyres of my EV. Having covered 7000 miles since new, the tyre tread depth is slightly over 6mm. That would suggest a tyre life of over 20,000 miles…. Whilst it’s not possible to draw conclusions from one example, my personal experience reflects others in my FB group. (MG4 interest). My issue with “Mguy” is that his website is all about dissing EV’s and, whilst there’s a grain of truth in what he says, there’s a huge amount of misinformation too.
The reason I watch your videos is because they are fact based. When you mentioned break pad wear, I think stats should be included, regenerative breaking is one of the RARE positive points to EVs.
@@Acemeistre Hell, I like the idea of an electric vehicle, but giant lithium batteries are an environmental disaster and dangerous to be around. I'd never want one anywhere near me, my home, my car, etc.
A conundrum right there. People say he is fact based. But when the facts clearly show that EVs do not wear brake pads out how do people reconcile that misdirection?
With all the drawbacks coming to light about EVs, I'm glad I never fell in to the EV trap. I'm quite happy with my recently purchased Toyota Camry, which is one of the best cars you can get for your money.
I purchased a new Hyundai Tucson N Line All Wheel Drive diesel 16 months ago. I do Uber driving part time. I drive with moderate acceleration and braking. The original tyres lasted 15 months and 60,458 km. I replaced 4 tyres for $676. I wanted to replace them with the same quality as the original but I had to accept a lesser quality tyre due to unavailability just before Christmas. I assume the ‘better’ tyres would have cost about $200 more. These tyres appear to have a softer compound and I will monitor how much mileage I get with this set. I am offering this information so everyone can have a ‘ball park figure’ of comparison of tyre life between EV and ICE vehicles. I hope this helps in everyone’s’ understanding. By the way, driving in the wet with an AWD vehicle is magic. No tyre chirping as in FWD acceleration. And no problems cornering on wet roads. At moderate speeds, you forget that is pouring down, and you just drive and corner as if the road is dry. Your wet driving becomes calm and peaceful.
My god what an echo chamber this is. lol you guys must find this therapeutic to have a bunch of narrow minded, ignorant and scared but sympathetic shoulders to cry on. Really it’s kinda sad. First , you need to separate Tesla from the generally bad EV crowd. Tesla, while it may be electric, does not equal “EV”, and “EV” definitely does not equal Tesla. If you remove Tesla from the crowd, yeah EVs pretty much suck. But Tesla is something else entirely. I’ve owned mine for a little over a year and for daily commuting….. there simply is no comparison. I’m a gear head and an engineer working in the auto industry in Detroit Michigan. I have no greater desire than to someday own a real 427 Shelby Cobra. It probably won’t ever happen… but it’s my dream. I love traditional cars, old trucks, diesels, muscle cars and anything raw and mechanical. That being said, I’d never ever give up my Tesla for daily driving. If you’ve driven one, you might understand that. If you’ve owned one, I know you get it. 2nd you need to look beyond the BS political non-sense. I’m a conservative that voted for Trump twice… and who knows maybe I’ll vote for him again, the jury is out. I don’t care about the environment, or at least I’m not worried about it, I don’t care how clean or green (… or not) it is. I’m not trying to virtue signal, I don’t want to kill the oil industry, and I don’t think all cars should be electric. But it’s clear to me as a Tesla owner, as an engineer in the auto industry, and as a gear head who loves all things automotive ….. for most people’s daily driving…. Man it’s hard to see how there is anything better. I can put 20 miles of charge on for every hour I’m plugged in at home. That means I never need to stop, for daily driving, to recharge anywhere but at home. My insurance is $98/ month through Tesla insurance, I’m still on the original tires at 27k miles (it’s winter here in Detroit and these tires are still doing great) and the MFing thing will essentially drive itself when I am feeling lazy. It does 0-60mph in 3.5seconds (Model Y Performance) and is an absolute thrill to drive. For MOST people, it’s hard to see how they don’t make sense. But sure, if I’m going to drive across country, my wife and I will just take the Tahoe. But how often do most people drive more than even 100 miles per day? All the political crap is just that, crap. Look beyond it and the arguments against having 1 Tesla in an average 2 car household… the arguments pretty much evaporate.
I have 6 electric cars, never had any problems - they all run around on a track in my loft when the grandchildren are here.
Right alongside the electric train set right 😂😆
The acceptable face of EV.
Be careful having an EV in your house might go on fire and destroy the whole house.
Scalextric FTW!!
Ha... that was a good one😂
EVs was never about the environment.
What is it about then?
@@MrThatnativeguyit was always about control.
@@MrThatnativeguy Control, power, and money.
@@Acemeistre Who's crying? Just pointing out the obvious.
When it comes to the whole, 'saving the planet': "An unexciting truth may be eclipsed by a thrilling lie." - Aldous Huxley (Brave New World)
The EV graveyards in China are mind blowing. They are all new and registered.
That’s where the high sales numbers come from, but it’s a lie just like everything else.
If it is registered then it counts as a sale, even if it has actually been sold or not
Ghost cities now ghost cars and more than likely china's ghost economy.
Artificially inflating their popularity.
Too many Chinese.....
You're 100% right MGUY. I work as a sales adviser in a tire store and I can tell you first hand that EV owners are not happy they're only getting 16k miles out of a set of $2,000 tires and I'm the poor bastard who has to face their wrath every day. To make matters worse, Tesla tires can't be repaired. They have a thick foam lining around the inside that if disturbed tends come unglued and fly apart at high speed. That makes repairing them a liability and no tire shop that wants to stay out of court will touch them.
Am sure the salesman who sold them the car told them all that! //ss!
My tires are $600 and go 50k miles and I have a very fast Model 3, weighs the same as an Audi, BMW or Mercedes and sometimes less than comparable models
Additionally the wear and tear on the suspension. Destruction of roads. Should EV’s be taxed more for the roads?
Yes. The heavier you are, the higher your registration fees.
@@Acemeistrethey should get taxed more too as they put more damage on the road than say a sedan. What's your argument?
They effectively already pay more in that the fuel they use is taxed, the more fuel they use the more tax they pay, same for any ICE vehicle, at this time what tax do EV vehicles pay to use the road........... none, so if you are well off you are bludging off those less able to shell out for a over priced, over rated bit of virtue signalling.
Taxing cars by weight would be a good idea.
I think we should just tax them more because of the virtue signalling i d i o t s who drive them.
That would be like replacing your tires every time you have an oil change on an ICE vehicle.
These guys are driving luxury vehicles and being told theyre saving the world. They have no common sense. All that extra torque and weight is sacrificing their tires. Now theyre surprised they need to change the tires more often.
Yes mate if you see my comment as I have said all along apart from all of the obvious issues with these obscenities the tyres are far more polluting than the "normal" tyres we put on our ICE vehicles.
You change your oil every 5000-7000 miles in an ice car. Tyres on a Tesla need to be changed every 30,000-50,000 miles based on normal usage. Which is a fraction higher than an ICE car. There is a reason why this guy wasn’t actually quoting numbers. Because it’s just nonesense.
Are you saying we shouldn't be doing that?
LOL
@@Audioremedy0785 There is this thing called Google.
Your info is way off.
Tesla Plaid, needs tyres every 8,000kl
Diesel vehicles even personal ones have to pay road user charges because it damages the roads, so in reality EVs should also pay their share.
No we shouldn't we are saving the planet. Apparently. 😂
Wait few year. All benefits EV owner have will expire and replaced by extra taxing and extra charges.
@iscadean3607 So you are saying BEV owners shouldn't pay road tax because the government doesn't spend the money properly? You ever try to extrapolate that notion and see where it ends?
Almost all road damage is by heavy vehicles, trucks etc. THey just charge you road user charges because they are greedy and you are a slave that will agree to pay it.
@@N4CR That's like saying BEVers are just the free stuff people?
Don't forget to bring the pollution caused by EV fires too MGUY.
Yes mate he already has if you go through his videos and as I follow every video he puts out there are some good examples of fires in these wretched vehicles and I might add - have a look at the fires in EV buses especially the one in Paris France it is truly frightening!!.
@iscadean3607Yes. See: *_StacheD Training_*
@iscadean3607 absolutely worse tha combustion engines. One tiny lithium cell in an ev battery bank that holds thousands will create 6 liters of toxic gas as it burns. Look it up.
@iscadean3607 EV fires contain all the horrible nasty pollution of an ICE vehicle fire...PLUS...the toxic explosive gasses and fumes from the burning Li battery.
So, they are WORSE when they are on fire.
I am a firefighter.
During our mobile property firefighting course we were warned about the rubber door seals, that when the burn give off such a toxic substance that it can penetrate your skin and right into your body, and the only way to stop the progression of the toxin is amputation. That's just one thing on every vehicle, before you get into the crap that is in the smoke from upholstery, plastics, tyres etc.
The batteries require one hundred times the energy to mind, refine and manufacture, than an ICE vehicle. The battery is spent before the energy debt is repayed.
Since road wear was mentioned, most roads and parking lots are made of asphalt. The key ingredient of asphalt is bitumen. Bitumen is a petroleum product, a fossil fuel if you will. So, EVs are wearing out roads and parking lots faster, thus more bitumen will be needed. Not exactly leading to Net Zero.
And the tyres themselves are made of petroleum! Lol
BEV are made from Unicorn plastic, aside from all the diesel used in mining the toxic metals for the battery packs.
And where does bitumen come from? Oil waste, that's why it is used on roads, because it has to be put somewhere. When oil use goes down, the waste will also and we will use cement.
Only they aren't.
EV tyre wear is higher not just because of weight but because the tyres use tyres specifically for their low rolling resistance. To get low rolling resistance AND keep braking distances reasonable (and safe) the compounds used have to be softer for the grip but that also results in much higher wear rates. The low resistance tyres are also sold at a premium.
Yes Scoots mate and if you happen top read my comment (a rant I am afraid) tyre wear for one of these obscenities is far and away more polluting than tyre for the ICE vehicles that we drive now and surely offsets the claimed advantages of EV'.
That is total nonsense. The Michelin energysaver tyre had a hard compound. Great for range but dangerous in the wet. Newer versions do have a softer compound though.
OEM tires on hybrids and EVs are usually crap and they usually don't supply a spare. It is annoying but fixable by the owner.
@@TeaBreak. Is the Energysaver used as original equipment? The factory tires have to produce good grip in testing to get good safety ratings.
@@the_sceptic but then range is somewhat compromised or braking distance etc. it's always a compromise.
Believe the quote from Thomas Sowell is, "There are no solutions, only trade offs."
Great episode, I’m glad you covered it, it’s been on my mind for a long time. Like I tell people EV’s are bad for the environment.
Yes Dave if you see my comment I have - as I have all along - tyre wear in these obscenities simply does not make any sane reason to own an EV.
And it's actually better for the environment to drive an older used ICE vehicle. I don't think EVs make up for their production pollution for 10 - 14 years, if that. They still used lots of intensely refined and mined minerals, they don't grow organically on trees, as some would have us believe.
Not to mention the damage EV’s are doing to roads, with extra weight etc, which means more road repairs, more tar/oil and stones etc.
It's a terrible episode. Why don't A8, S-Class or range rovers go through tires quickly. They weigh as much or more.
@@aaron___6014 Edmunds says Range Rover tires only last 15-20K miles.... But what good would that do at propping up this narrative. None.
Yes they do, and good luck gettting the EV fanatics to admit the short comings of their purchases. One lady in California laid out her annual recurring costs created by her Model Y iirc, and it was right at $4,000.
EVs are less a topic of conversation and much more of a cult following. Never cared for cults. Their starting point is to prevent people from thinking rationally.
@iscadean3607 yeah they don’t care about stuff like this though. Because it’s objective facts that ruin their argument. They only care about the one shady example they can find that suggests otherwise.
Yes DC and if you see my comment as I have stated for a very long time now apart from all of the issues that these obscenities pose - tyre wear is is far more polluting than our ICE vehicle tyres and also cost far more than we pay for our ICE vehicle tyres.
@iscadean3607 How much has the value dropped during those months and miles?
@@johngoard8272 Not to worry, Leon Musk has all the answers and will be delivering them to an audience of adoring fans any day now. 🤣
The colossal failure of EV's is providing you with SO much material to get through. Love your work.👍
You say they are a ‘colossal failure’… you are aware that they are recording record year on year growth, breaking sales records, giving us the most popular car in Europe and winning awards and accolades pretty much as fast as they can give them our right…? The only place they are a failure is in the heads of people who don’t like them.
@iscadean3607 yeah 100%. Me too. Everyone that has them loves them. And they are selling in record numbers which is great to see.
@iscadean3607hows the emf poisoning treating your cells and bacteria? 😂
Which makes it all the more fun debunking mguy's "facts" he finds in the corners of the interwebs.
@@TeaBreak. ‘I have found this story as reported on a website that I have never heard that talks about an EV doing something bad. They must all be bad. I must tell everyone’ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
And those anti oil fools think EV'S don't require oil either
... or coolant. People don't realize that EV batteries require a large amount of highly toxic and expensive coolant flowing through them so they don't burst into flames. This coolant needs to be changed out every 30 to 50k miles.
But they are SO good for the environment. 😒
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712it’s exactly the same coolant used in ice cars. It also should have a longer life expectancy due to lower temperatures it endures and reduced chance of electrolysis.
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712Renault Zoe has active air cooling🤔
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 Tesla's don't require a battery coolant change for the life of the car, what EVs are you taking about here that require a battery coolant charge every 30-40k KMs.
@@GDM22 the ones "in his deluded imagination" come to my mind too.
In a sane world, it would be illegal to build something as dangerous and stupid as an EV, let alone allow it on public roads!
Net zero is the intelligence used for the agenda
It's the same world where doctors recommended cigarettes years ago.... And coof jabs months ago 😂
And of course the amount of tax payer dollars subsidizing the EV
transition.
I'm not a fan of EVs, but that statement could actually apply to a lot of other vehicles... while I don't support EVs, I do very much support a person's right to freedom of choice of what vehicle they want to drive... just so long as they don't park it close to my house...
Don't worry, Leon is working on the solution as we speak, the number of videos on YT alone crediting him with everything from the invention of axial flux motors to the wheel give me hope. 😂
Anyone noticed that those bloated lemons are destroying the roads too?
That's the diesel powered tractor trailers.
Well Dave you have hit on a sore point with me because where I live the roads are already in a shocking state of disrepair and frankly the thought that an EV travelling over our roads conjures up in my mind how easy it would be to "bottom out" one of these obscenities and presumably damage that precious battery.
That weight isn't just on their tires.
@@Plisken65and that's been addressed. Have you not heard of HVUT, the heavy vehicle use tax? Maybe you need to educate yourself.
As do the large number of delivery vehicles due to online shopping.
The EV hits just keep on coming!
It's just too easy isn't it. Facts don't lie. Unlike the WEF, UN etc.
Geoff buys cars has just done a video on misselling the ev sellers are being sued for miss representation exaggerating the range.
He has to keep making them as eventually, he might say something that’s true.
EV's are the 8-track of the auto industry - amusing, quirky, hard to live with and ultimately failed in the marketplace.
@@xraylife when you say they have ‘ultimately failed’, you we are aware that the biggest selling car in 2023 in Europe was an Ev right? And they have had a strong start to 2024.
OK, I have to admit that I can't help but laugh out loud when I pass by an EV charging station and see those people sitting in or standing around their cars waiting for them to charge up. 😂
Ya, but they don't have to waste money on gas by spending 50k+ on an EV! 😂
And waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. Great system for anyone with no life.
@@rolieg81 Yeah, those public chargers at 0.8 USD / KwH, and seeing a Tesla using almost 3KwH / 10km in the winter.. that is $2.4 / 10km.... My ice car cost me $0.8 / 10 km.
The 95% of EV users who don’t need to use public chargers laugh out loud when they see you paying 3x as much as them wasting 10 minutes of your day going to a petrol station 👍🏻👍🏻
@@Audioremedy0785
You are delusional. The skyrocketing insurance costs for EV's wipes out any fuel savings. And then having to buy new and ridiculously expensive tires every 7 to 10 thousand miles for EV's puts EV owners in the red as far as operating costs are concerned.
Try harder. I've got more for you.
Thank you for shedding light on the EV propaganda
Mguy is the propaganda 🤣
Shedding light via shredding tyres 😀 Not just cars - e-bikes are pretty heavy on tyres too (I speak from experience).
While you are at it, shed some light on the ICE car propaganda.
I left a comment on another channel that was "I will never own an EV.", a person commented back to me calling me an "elitist" saying that if I could afford to put gas in my car I must be rich, they then said they would be sticking with their Tesla. I told them that I live on a fixed income and could never afford a Tesla.
@iscadean3607you will own nothing and be happy 😂 hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha
People seem to forget the cost, for some reason. My wife and I don't drive much. We're not poor by any stretch. But just having the sort of money that buys an EV in the bank earning interest more than pays for our petrol and diesel each year. Why would we change horses when we're on a track like that?
If it's the site I think you mean, it's the guy that buys cars like pints of milk.How many ££££ has he spent on old bangers😂
From the title it seemed like they were starting to realize the problems EV's have.@@1Electricman
If you're poor, it's your own fault. It arises out of decisions you made earlier. Stop whinging.
Nice two edged sword where they go after diesels for particulates whilst EVs chuck them out also...
That is exactly what I was thinking. And even with DEF systems they seem to break down the particulates into smaller, more easily airborne size which means they would be suspended in the air longer and be able to travel farther. It seems, every time the EPA tries to solve a problem, they create larger and more multitude problems. I am curious to see the EPA's solution to this one they created.
Simon, keep up the good fight against the insanity of EVs. The truth hurts them. Not the people that are against EVs.
You only know the truth from ownership. Its all clickbait news. Entertaining but nonsense.
Simon, i've had petrol, diesel and LPG run cars but my EV beats them all and would never go back to ICE, as for this idiot going on about tyres my Merc CLK AMG spec rear tyres cost me £500 each corner and had to be replaced every 8000 miles. If you and this fool don't like EV don't buy one.
It's not a fight against insanity. It's a fight against EVs period. He wants to make sure no one buys one, whether they want to or not.
@@typhoon320i He is just trying to stop people making very expensive mistake.
@@chrissmith2114then he and his fanboyz won't be bothered about anyone who has already bought one?
Because they have ignored his warnings.
Oh, wait a minute!
It boggles the mind that in this day of Internet searching capability, prospective EV buyers fail to do their homework before forking over $50-60K.
Progressive propaganda programming is a helluva drug.
You don't have to go through all that trouble, just buy a Tesla.
Did my 'homework' 5 years ago, test drove a lot of cars, chose an EV. Best thing I ever did. Apart from saving me over €8,000 on fuel and servicing so far it's just a better car to drive.
It boggles the mind idiots believing the C**P set down here.
This is all very true but it is far worse when you consider what happens to all those worn out tires once they need to be disposed of.
Tyres from EV will be recycled in a 'green manner', they will be piled up until moss grows on them....
A small fraction of the worn out tyres coming off ICE cars. What's your point?
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 His point is that if ever EV go mainstream there will be a hell of a lot more tyres coming off EV than there ever were off ICE vehicles.
@@chrissmith2114 He is indeed making a point and his raison d'être is to dig up anything negative about EVs and make an issue of it. My experience after 5 years ownership of an EV is that there is little if any difference in tyre wear. Coincidentally I have recently posted a video on this subject if you want to hear about some real world experience as opposed to listening to the opinion of non-EV drivers
ruclips.net/video/bbI42COnvg4/видео.html
However, I have looked at independent reports which suggests that tyre wear on EV can be as much as 20% more than on an ICE car...so we're talking about worst case scenario's here. Bearing in mind that brakes and pads on an EV last typically 4 times longer than those on an ICE. So, if an owner does spend a little more on tyres that will be offset in spades by the much bigger saving in parts and labour changing discs and pads.
@@chrissmith2114 Oh, and btw, the 'if EVs ever go mainstream' comment is risible, petrol-heads living in fantasy land and ignoring the sales trends. EVs are already 'mainstream' in many markets where sales are 20% of new cars and rising fast. The world's biggest car market is now at 48% EV adoption and where China goes, the global industry will follow.
You also need to look at Lithium mining in the Pilbara WA. The demand for lithium batteries for EVs (and others) is ripping up the country. People can't claim to be helping the planet while indirectly supporting massive mining impacts on the land.
And the slave labor.
Tires are not able to be made without the
Petroleum Industry
@@1Electricman in case you haven’t noticed governments claim that they are going to eliminate fossil fuels
If petroleum is banned where will tires come from ? Bafflegab.
@@1Electricman the point is if every car is electric and just stop oil have their way, no car will have tires.
@calmdown1973 The steel industry has found a solution to used tires. They chip them and use in the furnaces, using less coal or electricity. They use filter systems to eliminate toxic fumes from burning tires.
The future will definitely need oil out of the ground. Just not the millions of barrels per day the world currently uses. But battery technology will need to improve majorly, before I think about an EV.
@RUclips_user3333 That isn't true at all, we used wooden wagon wheels before tires were invented. Do your own research
@@GolfSux what isn’t true? Everything written, is factual. What’s the wagon wheel comment referring to?
Cargo ship pollution versus cars. Their should be a series of videos on that subject. Everybody hit the 👍 button
As per local media reports, the lower four decks of the cargo ship (out of a total of 12) are relatively undamaged, and it’s here where the battery-powered vehicles were located.
not that. Top 19 ocean freighters pollute the same as EVERY car in the world combined@@steveinoz8188
@@steveinoz8188 So you didn't see the picture of the burned up Taycan ? The Freemont Highway had had vehicles fires before with ICE vehicles. They control the access of air to the holds and just shut off air until the fire goes out for lack of oxygen, works every time with ICE vehicles. That didn't work this time. Also, they pulled a Mercedes BEV out and dropped it into a container of water on the dock because it was about to go off 2 weeks after the fire started. It did still go off, under water.
@@1Electricman Are they going to make BEVs in their back yard? How are they ever going to have a BEV without ships and a whole fuckton of OIL.
One or two examples does not make it a general rule.@@robertkubrick3738
You got that right? EV’s are disposable just like cell phones have become recent. How is that good for the environment?
The media just keeps not reporting these topics. They’ll suffer their inevitable fate
And if they do report them its with such a WEF spin it makes me want to throw my phone
Well, considering that the media is just the propaganda arm of the progressive globalist cult, their silence is not surprising.
Not buying one and never will. To help pollution reduce waste by repairing more stuff. I do a lot of this.
As you report - its not about keeping cars - its about removing them altogether . The greens have an absolute hatred for cars ( and motor bikes too , thats becoming an issue ). EVs will ,in the end, bankrupt car companies but thats to the good, Oh thinking of having a latte whilst your EV charges? - coffee is in their cross hairs too!
Soon it will be the same as the 1920's except the call will not be "useless eaters " but " useless breathers" , remember a human emits about a 1/2 cars worth of CO2 per year , you have been warned.
"How dare you" expose the truth.
I am not against EV's, I prefer Hybred's, in any event we have to look at total "COST's", not feeling and virtue signalling.
Why do you like hybrids? Why not have one small, light EV for city/suburban driving and one bigger petrol/diesel car for trips that are not appropriate for the EV? You and your wife could decide who drives which car each day depending on the journeys that need to be made.
Hybrids?
Those are the super burny ones!
You are brave!
EV tires at least for the most popular BEVs are more costly for two reasons; first they need a special soft composition so they can handle the high torque. These cost more money. Secondly because they are soft; they wear out faster; plus the cars weight 20-25% more and the drivers like to drive their cars harder. One owner told me he had to replace a set after 3 months of sporty use costing $2000 USD.
Sporty use? race cars go through tyres as well. EV rated tyres wear no more. I own one, do you?
I would expect they have a harder compound to reduce rolling resistance. They also run high tyre pressures (M3 around 46psi), have stronger sidewalls and because EVs are so quiet, sound insulation. As EVs become more mainstream they will no doubt come down in price, at the moment they are a specialised tyre sold in smaller volumes. I don't believe they would last less than an equivalent high ends sporty tyre or be much different in cost.
It's crazy that with how sensitive an EV's range is to external variables, that every single Tesla I've seen in the past 200,000 miles driving on the interstate is driving 80-90 mph.
@@randgrithr7387 are you driving one? what sort of range are you gettingif you are at 80-90 mph, what part of the country? Its useful to gather info from all over
@@litestuffllc7249
I drive everywhere East of i-35 at a governed speed of 65mph, usually in the far right lane to let faster traffic pass. I do not recall ever passing a Tesla driving slow by choice.
The other problem our government is not talking about in the push for “clean energy” is…what do you do with old EV batteries? The batteries are not easily recyclable and dumping them in a landfill will cause unimaginable pollution and contamination to the water table. I live on an island with lots of rich driving Teslas… where will their used batteries go? If they stay on the island it may result in permanently contaminating the water supply. 😩😵💫
Oh they'll stay on island. Just ask people in Hawaii. No shipping agent wants to take on risk of shipping old/defective lithium batteries. The risks for catastrophe are too high 😂
@iscadean3607 and how many people are set up for that 🤣. Putting solar panels up, OMG. Cause yes those are "carbon neutral" what with the chemicals used to make them. Even NASA who has some of best solar technology in the world admits the inefficiency of it. And they are at vastly higher energy transmission efficiency than anything you'll ever get for your house. If you could even afford them.
@iscadean36075% or less is recyclable due to it being burnt out… do you not know what decay is
@iscadean3607 I'm looking forward to seeing recyclers pulling the cells out of the Cyber Truck batteries. That'll be interesting to see.
And sodium is not going to replace lithium for transport applications. What it might do, however, is free up lithium resources currently being used in stationary applications.
@iscadean3607hold your breath....
Quickly becoming my favorite channel.
Already mine!
@iscadean3607 huh? Who is being lied to? I’m not the one buying into a government scheme that requires tax payer funded subsidies to trick people into buying a product that can’t live up to its promises. I live in the U.S., the cars that wouldn’t take a charge and were being towed all over the place was real. I saw that with my own eyes. My brother actually wasted his money on one of these scam vehicles. He wasted tens of thousands of dollars on solar panels and wall unit that the electric company still hasn’t hooked up to the grid. It’s been two years. His electric bill has tripled. He’s paying way more for insurance. He cannot take the car on trips. And now, he can’t even sell it, because no one wants to buy it. I guess insulting strangers is your coping mechanism, though I doubt it’s healthy. Good luck.
@iscadean3607ok mr i rent a car but pretend to be an adult
I recall standing on a hill where vehicles obviously coast along as no power us required.
Well you should have heard the road noise of something like a model X or Y.
Lots of weight and torque. Things tyres love. Another hidden environmental impact of EVs. Plus turning the roads to dust. More potholes.
Yes Jessica and where I live in rural NSW Australia the roads are already in a dreadful state of disrepair and EV's are simply going to make them even worse - if that is possible!! Plus I am also guessing that at some time one of these obscenities will "ground out" on our roads and damage their precious battery - not a pleasant outcome you might agree.
@@johngoard8272
oh I love the smell of Hydrogen fluoride (gas) in the morning! 😄
Imagine how bad the roads are going to get with electric semis, and I say that as a fan of Edison Motors!
You know I have to laugh... few weeks ago we had a cold snap and ice store in my area and I saw quite a few disabled / abandoned evs on the side of the road... and my 40year old ~400kmile diesel wagon with studded rears was chudding along just fine... can't help but to think we have gone backwards - substantially.
Only 4% of the electric cars that received roadside assistance in 2023 in Norway had an empty main battery. Fossil cars needed roadside assistance almost twice as often.
@@jrgenaksnes2676 although a vast majority of new cars sold in Norway are now EV, they are still 1in4 of the total population. Thus, this combined with your stat would suggest EVs still see more roadside service by percentage. But who knows... curious to see how the next few years play out for them.
@@jrgenaksnes2676theres 50x the amount of ice cars on the road
and those are cars were 20 yrs old and ill maintained no doubt (or german garbage). EVs won't make it to 10 lolololololololololololololololololololoololololololololol
@@TheGuruStud Both our electric cars are 10 years old. Plan to have them for many more years.
After a bit more research I've learnt that recommended EV tyres come with greater side wall support/thickness, therefore making replacement tyre costs far greater than ICE vehicles
There was a case in the UK of an EV that went rogue. Its driver could not stop it ( no brakes) and could not turn it off (off switch had no effect). It had to be stopped safely by being lined up with a moving police van, and then slowly rear ended into the van to slow down and bring it to a stop, although the car was still trying to drive forward. The other overlooked problem with EV cars is their mass disadvantage in accidents. They are going to inflict more damage on conventional vehicles which have much less mass in impacts.
I’m not entirely sure you read the article. You are implying that the car was refusing to do as it was told - ironically, the mechanical element of the brakes of the car failed. The fact that it’s an EV was irrelevant. It happens all the time in ice vehicles.
@@Audioremedy0785 "off switch had no effect", "car was still trying to drive forward".
@@TheZodiacz because the brake is the off switch. The reality is though that people look for one-in-a-million instances and dress them up like this realistic issues that people face just because they don’t like EVs. If you read the story he clearly says that it was a mechanical problem with the brake pads. Maybe read all the safety studies that talk about how EVs are much safer than lce cars 👍🏻👍🏻
My friend had his car written off by a driverless runaway Daf in the early 80’s. It’s amazing that a company that was making EVs that long ago hasn’t survived.
@@Audioremedy0785 I followed this. The vehicle was self driving when it wasn't even supposed to be capable of it. The brakes didn't mechanically fail, they weren't capable of overcoming the high torque electric motor.
The more I learn about EVs the more I get mad at those who either already have bought an EV and / or those who are considering the purchase of one.
There is NO real reason to own a EV!
And it’s causing our insurance rates to skyrocket! Well, it’s either that, or all the “newcomers” driving around without insurance
Focus your anger on government officials who are giving rebates or forcing people to buy EV.
I see EV owners as those who wanted to get a booster shot first cause of "science."
The end goal is “15 minute cities” and restricted travel between them. Where you’ll have to “show your papers” to travel outside of your zone.
The more I learn about people who hate EVs, the more I wonder why you want to regulate what people should buy or not. I do not own an EV but I see why people might want one, but I do not get a mindset why to get angry at people who buy EVs?
No oil change mate!! yeah, visit tyre shop twice a year instead.
I have changed my tyres (EV) once in ten yeares.
Algorithm-boosting comment because this information needs to get out to all the "normies" who are still locked into the legacy MSM agenda.
Good strategy.
Thanks, and I do hope more people will understand the issues with the pollution into the enviorment from the tires of EVs!
I knew all about tyre wear due to torque.
I had a BMW e39 M5 for 20 years. When I 1st got it I was shocked to find that the back tyres would wear down to the steel belt in10 000km.
I always avoided wheel spin and rarely took it over 3000 rpm. After the 3rd set of tyres I learned to drive it like a granny, nut the still only lasted about 30 000 km but of course I found that frustrating , so I ended up using my old Porsche 911 as the daily driver.
Yes Greg I am sure that sooner or later our brain dead politicians might wake up to the many issues with these obscenities and realise that they are going to have to pay for the damage to roads, the pollution that they produce, and also lose the overly priced excise we pay for our fuel as it is.
I think you had something seriously amiss with your E39's rear wheels / tyres. I might take an assumption that it was a manual and another that you may have driven it harshly?
Everything woke turns to sht. President Trump
Doesn’t that just sum up the fans of this channel, quoting Trump as the voice of reason FFS 🙄
@@jonmarsden1366 At least Trump is funny but really America hasn't had a President since JFK
Hmm... Brandon is a bit woke...
@@jonmarsden1366 Trump has been correct about most everything.
@@markthebuilder9837 bawahahahah, top trolling Markie boy🤣🤣🤣
I know someone who works in a tire shop and he showed me pictures of how often these tires need to be replaced and it's astounding. Some of them in about as soon as 17 - 20,000 miles.
About the same as non EV tyres then.
@steveinoz8188 Not true. I get 40k miles on the tires for my Hyundai Accent, which is a light economy car. I don't speed, I coast to a stop when possible, and I accelerate slowly. EVs are just too heavy for tires to last that long.
Like most tyres, the more you spend the better the tyres are. You can also buy super expensive tyres for ICE vehicles eg Pilot Sport 4. I get 120,000 km out of my 4wd tyres.@@jeffw1267
@@jeffw1267 EV’s are typically only about 10% heavier than an equivalent EV. The fossil fuel shills talk as if they are twice the weight! So many of the arguments are just demonstrable lies.
@@jeffw1267 You get much longer tire life on your accent if you install wider tires. It improves the small/light car ride also for negligible cost. I bought 3 Accents last year for family and I might buy one more. Or an Elantra.
Another consequence of the use of electric vehicles is the accelerated wear and tear of roads, which leads to more frequent repairs and an increase in the use of building materials for their construction and repair (and hence, increased construction and repair costs)
@iscadean3607Now imagine how much damage Tesla Semi trucks will do - they have several tons of batteries onboard!
@iscadean3607 I used to drive 44 ton trucks,
NOW I own a Mini Cooper Electric, (1,775 kg) oh, and its ONLY 8% heavier than a Mini Cooper ICE (1,650 kg),
SOME ICE drivers, "swear blind that EVs weigh twice the weight of a similar ICE, lol, lol and MORE lol"
Thanks for saying the different weights, some people don't know.
In the states the biggest fallacy is the cost of ownership which includes tires, but the highest cost is monthly insurance cost 2 to 3 times an ICE eating up more than all the cost savings from charging, along with sky rocketing energy costs up more than 40 percent since green policies have been favoring renewables...
Thanks for this channel, Canada is melting down cause of the EV policies being pushed through.. Impossible to get a reliable vehicle at reasonable price on the after market now.. dealerships barely have anything used... it's lease one of the now inflated new cars or walk here in the Canadian prairie
Thankfully i'm in Alberta where i can still drive my 30 year old Diesel dodge truck. As a mechanic of 39 years i do all my own work.this affords cheep maintenance. Because i don't mind driving older vehicles mechanics has made Driving affordable I've had the truck 12 years, bought for $900, New trans $3600, transfer case $1500. drive axles brgs an u joint, $500. Full fuel system replacement$1800, tires second set $1600, misc, $1000. So in 12 years of driving my truck has cost me $10900. Yes i have a mechanical addvantage. My point is in that time most people will be on there 4th vehicle.so when you consider the enviormental ipact of manufactoring 4 vehicles as apposed to repairing 1 vehicle. it makes more sense to me to keep driving the old truck, which by the way is in way better shape than most vehicles on the road that are half the age. In my opinion what needs to happen is less complicated vehicle need to be made so people can do alot of the repair work themselves with minimal training. Of course that doesnt help the economy does it. It makes me sick to think about how fragile new cars are made, and how short there useable span is. When you do the small stuff like fluid changes and keeping it clean you'd be surprised at how far a vehicle will go even the moern crap. So hear i am driving an old diesel that everybody frowns at with a smaller enviromentel foot print.
Another masterpiece episode! Thank you so much.
And new tyres on EVs have only 6mm of tread instead of the usual 8mm. To help handle the "excess torque" when moving off from a standstill allegedly. And only about 2 firms make them, so competition on price is out of the window
THANKS MGUY TRYING TO SHOW PEOPLE NOT TO BE STUPID 😵💫😳🥶😞
Excellent as always, glad you included brake pads as 8,000 miles from front pads on a Genesis EV seems to be the norm. What is more concerning might be the shearing of the friction material, not away from the metal backing plate but through the friction material itself, just as if heat had discovered a micro crack in the structure that it was able to exploit. This caused chunks of the pad to break off resulting in the owner reporting poor brake efficiency and what looked to be a 50% reduction in contact area. This was found to be front and rear brake pads in the Genesis case ruling out shearing from failure to release the handbrake as was initially suggested.
EVs are easier on brakes because they use regenerative braking.
@@steveinoz8188 JEEZE, that "dude" going on about EV brake wear, probably thinks, yer use the Flintstones method to slow ALL vehicles down, NO that method only applies to ICE vehicles, LOL, the ONLY reason I use the brake pedal of my Mini Cooper Electric, about ONCE per week is, "to stop the brake discs getting rusty" and "NOT to stop the car" LOL.
Really annoying that I. C. E vehicles are continually refferd to as "gas guzzlers" It's just another mind game to try and make evs appear to be the good clean cars they really are not.
And every flood or hurricane is now due to climate change.
The sad thing is they never looked at alternative fuels for ice vehicles. Toyota is working on an ammonia fueled car which has up to 90% less emissions than gasoline. The alternatives are there. They just have tunnel vision.
I have a collegea with a model S and he changes tires 4 times every time I change 1 time onmy old diesel. This monster heavy truck with all that torque just wear out the tires in record time. This should definitely go into the calculation of the life cycle for a sustainable car.
Well I wonder when the people who push these EV obscenities will wake up to the many issues with EV's and stop the madness that our brain dead politicians keep shoving down our throats!! I suspect there is more behind this push than meets the eye if you follow my drift??
I also drive a Model S. A set of summer tires last about 60,000 km, and the winter tires about 140,000 km.
Put Solid Forklift tires on them , and run them to them Rims before replacing them
Lol the battery pack shatters on the first bump you hit.......
Thank you for another great video, sharing the truth about the hopeless EVs , only made to controll us 😊 🇩🇰
A while back the manufacturers were saying that EVs needed special tyres because they were so quiet, people noticed the noise of the tyres. Probably cover for the need to redesign tyres to cope with the weight and stress on tyres on EVs.
High torque and a heavy vehicle equals tire ripping.
Depends on driving style/skills.
Especially when tyre storage yards go up in smoke which seems to happen at an uncanny rate.
Agree, as tires are not made from rubber now but plastic , car tires generate one of the main sources of micro plastic contamination. Ground up plastic thats gets blown about oe washed down draines into water cources and then into the Sea. 😢
That's interesting
Human bodies contain a lot of nano plastics now.
Thank goodness that we have crude oil or we wouldn't be able to produce tyres for these vehicles, we'd have to use rubber. I wonder how long they'd last!!!
According to Michelin, and they'd know, 60% of rubber used in the tire industry is synthetic rubber, produced from petroleum-derived hydrocarbons..
Tell that to "Just Stop Oil",
and watch their heads explode 🤣🤣
@@hansemannluchter643 I expect that they are more knowledgeable than you on the subject.
The push for electrification will ultimately prove to be a ruse for mass transit. The point was made in 1970 by proponents, when the US EPA was established, the goal wasn't to "clean up the cars" but to get the mass out of their cars and into mass transit. This has been repeated over and over as green edicts have been made, especially since the establishment of emission credits and compliance credits, and since the US EPA exploited its unconstitutional "authority" to make new laws and classified CO2 as a "pollutant".
We're all being abused.
Nope
@@user-od9rw3ko1e Yep
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Yep
The amount of content you are putting out is insane 👍👍 keep up the great work
I am for choice when purchasing a vehicle here in the States ,and my choice if for a ICE car ! Also I have read articles about how unreliable EV buses have been due to a number of factors ; including frequency of maintenance and lack of parts !
Still wondering how EVs pay for roads
Still wondernig how ICE cars pay for increased lung cancer and rising sea levels and noise polution and oil spills, etc.
@@Tom-dt4ic Oil companies pay for the clean up of their oil spills.
Wheres your ptoof that ICE causes lung cancer and rising sea levels.
EVs cause more noise pollution. Have you heard the tyre noise as an EV drives past?
In Oregon EV owners pay a road tax at the time of renewing the vehicle registration. ICE cars pay it at the gas station.
@@Tom-dt4icwe burn massive amounts of fossil fuel wining the lithium ect for battery cars.
We burn fossil fuel charging battery cars in Australia 75%
So you got a point?
@@0Aus What you're saying is that the grid is not fully renuable yet. But it's getting better week after week. This is because building renuable solar and wind farms is now cheaper than building new fossil fuel power generating plants. And the replacement of old fossil fuel plants with renuables is happing everywhere. And in every case it's because a power company can save money by doing so.
I like how all non EV cars are GAS GUZZLING.
Yeah, my ICE vehicle ONLY gets 40mpg in the city. I feel so ashamed.
Guzzling sounds bad, that’s why they phrase it that way,,
A report by the European Environment Agency (EEA) highlights that emissions from battery electric vehicle (BEV) production are generally higher than those created by building an internal combustion-engined (ICE) vehicle.
One study suggests that CO2 emissions from electric car production are 59% higher than those for the production of ICE vehicles.2
The greater emissions largely come from the battery manufacturing process.
Yes the production. Now factor in the emissions from the lifetime of the vehicles, even taking into account the emissions from either the electricity produced, or the oil refinement and transportation for ICE vehicles. Oil shipping containers are the most polluting vehicles on the planet. A large shipping container produces as much emissions as 50 million cars. There are over 200 of this class of ship in the world and another 8700 smaller ones. About 50% of all crude oil produced is used for gasoline vehicle fuel. That's emission equivalent to billions of ICE vehicles from the transportation of oil alone. This channel and it's audience are a joke.
The road wear issue will be a huge issue as more EVs enter our road networks, they create additional weight and could increase road surface wear. And what about bridges and roads that have weight restrictions imposed upon them. The day will come when two or more heavy Tesla Model X's cross over a weight restricted bridge of 7.5 tonnes and they inadvertently exceed its limits. Ignoring the signs thinking it only applies to heavy goods vehicles. Another great video, thanks
Yes mate and where I liv in NSW (rural) the roads are in such a state of disrepair further damage will surely make them just bout impassable.
@iscadean3607 I mean in relation to their size, SUVs and trucks are obviously heavier. But even the smallest Tesla Model 3 is heavier than its equivalent sized car.
The good news is that the crashing of the economy will slow the adoption of EVs. So there is a silver lining.
@@jeffw1267 I hear you, but any negative activity in economy as drastic real world effect. The over supply of EVs and less potential customers will be the undoing of the whole EV push. The EV house of cards will fall in on itself. And hopefully the economies negative movements should leave those vulnerable alone. The very people that can see the issues with EV ownership with clear vision.
No, EVs are significantly cheaper to own and operate and more people will switch. I did and I'm saving thousands.@@jeffw1267
ouch. sand i have to special order the tires for my daughters '78 Camaro ($600usd) and they're now 6+yrs old and still have plenty of tread.
thats not that bad for new tires? I paid more for 4 summer tires to my Skoda Octavia
@@AndrewTSq but if i had the oem rims, a full set would have been $250 (usd).
@@KardboardKenny ah I see :/ well, its a nice car so I guess its worth it :)
@AndrewTSq it was. Her 1st car was a 96 Monte Carlo at 16. After 5yrs of not a single ticket and paying her own upkeep, ins and gas, the Camaro was her 21st bday gift. 5yrs on and still not a single ticket.
And don't forget all the extra CO2 produced in collecting, mining and shipping the rubber, steel and brake pad materials that goes into producing the tires, brake rotors and brake pads. But those emissions don't count because they don't come out of the EV's tailpipe.
brake rotors and brake pads?
@@peejayem4700 battery cars still have brakes not just dynamics. What you lot call re-gen😏
Definately another subject topic to cover... The increased wear and tear on roads due to heavier and more high performance driving by EVs... They should pay more, and creating more road works hold up or more poor road conditions...
Surveys in Norway show that vehicles with an axle weight of less than 8 tonnes do not suffer measurably on the roads.
My EV is 1635 kg. The average AU car is 2 tonnes. Do I get a discount?
I'm glad your in my Country mate, welcome.
Excellent topic, literally something that no one has talked about what so ever!! Being in the motorcycle business I had to explain this constantly why motorcycle tire didn't last as long car tires, now we have cars that wear out tires faster than motorcycles from just normal use.
This will be another tyre manufacturer scam. Premium EV tires which last longer, but are twice the price of normal tires.
They are stronger tires though, due to the additional forces they must bear. They may still not be worth double, but they are worth more than standard tires.
I've changed my EV front tyres twice in 50,000 miles and the rears once. The high load tyres on EV's are typically a harder compound that wears less because they want to achieve low rolling resistance. Sure if you put softer performance tyres on a 4 wheel drive EV and launch it all the time it'll get expensive. But my experience is my tyres are lasting longer.
Interesting. Which EV do you have, which brand tires have you used and what part of country do you live in?
Anybody remember when a Honda CRX weighed less than 1800 lbs and got 50 mpg?
Yes... I owned one.
@iscadean3607 Take the propaganda elsewhere, the adults are talking.
@iscadean3607 When you EV does go wrong.... Your screwed... Bet you cant fix it with a few spanners and a manual.
Very good video! I have a nissan leaf, i get good use out of my tires and breaks, but most of my driving is 40 MPH or slower on local roads. Another problem with EVs is the amount of battery used to heat the car in winter.
Here in Florida, cement kilns are fueled partly by used tires, because they are mostly useless and made partly of a plant product. But we’ve got plenty of them already…
Not to mention brakes making more dust than normal vehicles due to the extra mass....
Regenerative braking extends brake life.
@@WeighedWilsonobviously they're driving too fast to allow the regenerative brakes to slow them down or stop them.
Funny, I drive my Tesla Model Y performance pretty aggressively but my tires are doing great. I’ve got 27k miles on it, it’s winter, I’m in Detroit Michigan and the tires are still doing great. And trust me, while I may not drive like Max Verstappen every second I’m behind the wheel, I’m more likely to be leading than following in traffic. And I love to feel the acceleration when the opportunity presents itself. I don’t know about you but 30k miles seems pretty reasonable for a set of tires…. Maybe you’re referring to one of those other evs, you know the sketchy ones that don’t say Tesla on them…..If it’s not a Tesla and it’s electric, you probably shouldn’t buy….
30000 on tires is actually not that good considering that even inexpensive tires for normal cars usually last at least 50000
Cradle to grave … EVs are browning the world …
Thats a lot easier to explain to other people than the manufacturing or logistical nightmares of EVs
I got 85k km on the original set of Dunlop tyres on my Ford Ranger ute. i regularly get 8.5 litres per 100km diesel fuel consumption on long trips and that is with a full load on the back. I have good towing and load capacity so why would i get an EV to replace that. That is why us kiwis love these utes. they are a good all rounder useful and practical vehicle for multiple uses. And if you go off road to remote places as we like to do here we just put in some jerry cans of diesel. Nowhere to plug in a battery charger when out in the sticks.
And yet if you google it, it says ev tyres last 20k -40k miles !! Truly amazing lol I wish any tyre lasted that long
They do last that long......
According to many contributers here who are proudly regaling how long their tyre last.
60k and upwards so far!
@@DwaynePipes thats complete BS 10-15 for the drive wheels and 20k for undriven wheels has been the norm forever on ice cars
@@sladehelicoptersgaming3148 hey I'm not the one making those claims.
Don't shoot the messenger,!😂
@@DwaynePipes lol sorry
uh. i chew through tires at that pace on my regular cars 😅
not because i do burnouts, it's because i do "spirited cornering". even my 1.4 liter ecobox had terrible tire longevity.
I got 53,000 miles out of a set of Nexen nfera SU1 on an EV. So I say bollox.
How much did they cost compared to a comparable ice vehicle tire?
@@davidclemens1578 They came with the car (Kona). Afterwards bought a set of 1 year olds for £100. Got 40k out of the front and rear are still on car after 45k. With at least 4 mil tread. Should last till June when I hand car back half way through finance. Grippy, quiet and economical. Fave tyre tbh. Not high performance. Just a bog standard 17" tyre. The originals had 2 to 3 mil left. New they are about £115 each.
Clever man,thank you
I’ve always said that EVs are toys for the rich, limousine leftists.😢
I understand that brake wear on EVs is minimal because of regenerative braking thus brake wear adds very little in the way of pollution. The rest of what you say is fact and I agree with you. Thanks.
Strange but non of my fellow EV owners report excessive tyre wear. Are you sure you are not making this up?
It’s definitely not being made up, the high levels of instant torque, higher weight, and shallower tread depths of EV specific tires (for better rolling resistance and noise levels) are going to reduce avg. tire life. But as with anyone’s tire wear it’s going to be highly variable based on specific tires used and driving behaviors. Please ask your friends for specifics.
@@nathanexplosion5478 Are your comments based on personal experience of an EV Nathan?
@@michaelketley1252 No, but is based on personal experience with HD diesel pickup trucks that have highly accelerated wear on the rear tires that are transferring the high torque levels their engines produce. It’s just physics. My daughter has a friend who’s parents bought a Tesla 3 over a year ago that I plan on asking about the real world impacts of tire wear and related operating costs over an extended period. I’m genuinely curious and want specifics.
@@nathanexplosion5478 Hi Nathan, thank you for your reply. I’ve just checked the rear driving tyres of my EV. Having covered 7000 miles since new, the tyre tread depth is slightly over 6mm. That would suggest a tyre life of over 20,000 miles…. Whilst it’s not possible to draw conclusions from one example, my personal experience reflects others in my FB group. (MG4 interest). My issue with “Mguy” is that his website is all about dissing EV’s and, whilst there’s a grain of truth in what he says, there’s a huge amount of misinformation too.
The reason I watch your videos is because they are fact based. When you mentioned break pad wear, I think stats should be included, regenerative breaking is one of the RARE positive points to EVs.
@@Acemeistre Hell, I like the idea of an electric vehicle, but giant lithium batteries are an environmental disaster and dangerous to be around. I'd never want one anywhere near me, my home, my car, etc.
Rusty discs and calipers are Kryptonite for BEV.
A conundrum right there. People say he is fact based. But when the facts clearly show that EVs do not wear brake pads out how do people reconcile that misdirection?
With all the drawbacks coming to light about EVs, I'm glad I never fell in to the EV trap. I'm quite happy with my recently purchased Toyota Camry, which is one of the best cars you can get for your money.
I purchased a new Hyundai Tucson N Line All Wheel Drive diesel
16 months ago.
I do Uber driving part time.
I drive with moderate acceleration and braking.
The original tyres lasted 15 months and 60,458 km.
I replaced 4 tyres for $676.
I wanted to replace them with the same quality as the original but I had to accept a lesser quality tyre due to unavailability just before Christmas.
I assume the ‘better’ tyres would have cost about $200 more.
These tyres appear to have a softer compound and I will monitor how much mileage I get with this set.
I am offering this information so everyone can have a ‘ball park figure’ of comparison of tyre life between EV and ICE vehicles.
I hope this helps in everyone’s’ understanding.
By the way, driving in the wet with an AWD vehicle is magic.
No tyre chirping as in FWD acceleration.
And no problems cornering on wet roads.
At moderate speeds, you forget that is pouring down, and you just drive and corner as if the road is dry.
Your wet driving becomes calm and peaceful.
My god what an echo chamber this is. lol you guys must find this therapeutic to have a bunch of narrow minded, ignorant and scared but sympathetic shoulders to cry on. Really it’s kinda sad.
First , you need to separate Tesla from the generally bad EV crowd. Tesla, while it may be electric, does not equal “EV”, and “EV” definitely does not equal Tesla. If you remove Tesla from the crowd, yeah EVs pretty much suck. But Tesla is something else entirely. I’ve owned mine for a little over a year and for daily commuting….. there simply is no comparison. I’m a gear head and an engineer working in the auto industry in Detroit Michigan. I have no greater desire than to someday own a real 427 Shelby Cobra. It probably won’t ever happen… but it’s my dream. I love traditional cars, old trucks, diesels, muscle cars and anything raw and mechanical. That being said, I’d never ever give up my Tesla for daily driving. If you’ve driven one, you might understand that. If you’ve owned one, I know you get it.
2nd you need to look beyond the BS political non-sense. I’m a conservative that voted for Trump twice… and who knows maybe I’ll vote for him again, the jury is out. I don’t care about the environment, or at least I’m not worried about it, I don’t care how clean or green (… or not) it is. I’m not trying to virtue signal, I don’t want to kill the oil industry, and I don’t think all cars should be electric. But it’s clear to me as a Tesla owner, as an engineer in the auto industry, and as a gear head who loves all things automotive ….. for most people’s daily driving…. Man it’s hard to see how there is anything better. I can put 20 miles of charge on for every hour I’m plugged in at home. That means I never need to stop, for daily driving, to recharge anywhere but at home. My insurance is $98/ month through Tesla insurance, I’m still on the original tires at 27k miles (it’s winter here in Detroit and these tires are still doing great) and the MFing thing will essentially drive itself when I am feeling lazy. It does 0-60mph in 3.5seconds (Model Y Performance) and is an absolute thrill to drive. For MOST people, it’s hard to see how they don’t make sense. But sure, if I’m going to drive across country, my wife and I will just take the Tahoe. But how often do most people drive more than even 100 miles per day? All the political crap is just that, crap. Look beyond it and the arguments against having 1 Tesla in an average 2 car household… the arguments pretty much evaporate.
What do I think. This channel is a joke. Keep the nonsense coming. 👍
Here in New Zealand my little petrol Ford can do 100K on a set of tyres easy. My big honking diesel ute does about 80K - maybe a shade more.
Even my f150 i got around 60k km doing burnouts inbetween
The push for EVs has NOTHING to do with the "environment"
The more we learn about EVs the worse it gets!